Combi Boiler Reviews - Ideal Logic Max Review and Installation
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2019
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Our 33 year old Worcester 35cdi finally died after years of leaks,fixes and replacement parts. Our local Boiler Engineer came out and applied a temporary fix but in the same process we have decided to go ahead with a brand new Ideal Logic Maxi 35HE installation, and we just cant wait. This video has been brilliant to help me understand and see what I am spending a lot of dosh on. Many thanks
Great vid Allen I love your days in the life of a Plumber, brilliant content and always engaging.
James LowDoyle Thank you very much buddy, Hope you and the family are well. We need to have a catch up 👍
I’m 8 weeks into my apprenticeship and fitted one of these boilers last week on a combi swap
Excellent video Allen
It’s great of you to take the time to make these and make for great viewing our end ! me personally I’ve switched over last eight years to viessmann boilers and I’ve never looked back ,good reliability, good to fit A doddle to service and the customers love the gas efficiency which in itself is quite impressive .I enjoyed your previous videos on these
Thank you very much Salim for your kind words. 👍
Lovely video mate,many thanks for sharing your experience. Watching your videos all the time, all the best 👍 👌
Great Video--please continue to share more information on the Ideal boiler's display. Thank you for all that you do.
Thank you for your comment and thanks for watching.👍
Excellent demonstration of all the qualities of the ideal boiler
Thank you
I'm getting one of these fitted in a week's time, cheers for the video.
Great video, very helpful. Trying to get a view on the ideal combi and this really helps. Thanks
Thanks.
Excellent video. Helping me so much with my ACS.
Really enjoyed watching this. I used to be a buyer in the building trade. The advancement of products is brilliant. Extremely well explained thank you :)
Thank you
Thank you Allen, I am a gas safe Engineer too ,but I learned a lot from your all videos , thanks
I knew nothing about piping up gas boilers before viewing this video. This was excellent and very informative 👏 Well done.
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Hi Allen,another great video,thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge,i am impressed
Thank you
I never realised that those boilers were hung on small brackets like that, I always assumed that they were fixed to the wall with 6" rawlbolts or something like that. I have an old Vaillant Turbo Max, still working, but really noisy when the heating kicks in. Good video, very interesting. Thanks. I have read some good reviews for these Ideal combi's.
Most useful video, very well presented and I understood your comments all the things I needed to know. Thanks, and make more videos please.
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
Your videos always the best really impressed
Glad you like them!
You are brilliant at explaining how to install a boiler thanks alot
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We're just about to change from oil to gas, and this video was really informative as a customer, as someone paying for the conversion.
Great video, very clear from the outset about not being sponsored, and there's no "shortcut to experience" which you seem to have in abundance.
Keep doing what you do, it's so valuable. Maybe you have a Patreon account or affiliate links to the products and tools you use, that could help with the costs of your videos?
Thank you
Great video Allen, maybe follow up vid on commissioning process etc
Tommy Blackman I will definitely do that, might be a few weeks as I have some very nice things coming up. Thanks
Sir Allen Boiler and Plumbing King your videos are the best on you tube far superior and so educational thank you.
Thank you
Great video - Very informative, God Bless You Sir!
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Thanks Allen. Brilliant presentation. Came across it via Google. Have peace now. Was not sure I had made the right decision. Installer recommended the Plus but was persuaded to buy the Max at the shop.
Thanks for watching. Did they fully flush the system?
Allen Hart I picked it up today but it’s on the to do list. Sending the installation fee up but he advised it so agreed. The work is to be done on Monday.
@@naaborkor2288 Feel free to send me some pictures on WhatsApp if you like 07725 692699
Allen Hart Will do. Ta
Alan, you are a star !!! This video has helped me a lot. I'm now starting to understand my boiler functioning (Ideal Logic Combi 30) and how it works. Many thanks. By the way, I'm thinking of somehow running a heating plus hot water supply to my workshop which is located about 10m outside my home. I'd love to have hot & cold water in there, as well as a good means of economically heating my workshop in the wintertime. My wife has also commented that she would like some form of economical heating in her greenhouse in the winter. My Combi 30 would be okay to use, I think, because it's used now in my small 3 roomed upstairs flat, rather than in a normal two-level house, which I think the Combi 30 would normally be used for. Any advice that you may have would be much appreciated. Cheers! Riky
Hello Allen, good video nice and straight forward
Thank You
Allen thank you for another wonderful video
Thank you
Good morning Allen,
I'm a gas engineer working in London some time I struggle and I need advice
Possible to have your number?
Excellent video Allen!
Thank you Mr or Mrs Andrews 👍
Thank you Allen for the informations!
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Allen, great video and just the job for a new owner like myself. Just had 2 boilers ripped out and replaced by this wonderful piece of kit - deep joy, no more trips to the loft to re light a pilot light (age 79).
Great fitter who serviced my other extinct boilers. Just tying to get to grips with the controls and I found a small (I hope) problem.
The front screen will not go to sleep for me and will stay lit 24/7 cycling info. It did go to sleep for the installer on handover, but I now find it will not turn it's own screen light off.
Have you any ideas or suggestions please, I feel sure it is only something simple (I hope), but it can never be right that this display screen stays on, albeit going off and staying back on again in seconds.
It is a Ideal Logic Max C 24.
Have spoken to installer, but he say it is normal for the info screen to light up if ANY actions are taken such as taps etc., but it should return to a blank screen shortly after.
In my case it does NOT. Please help if you can before i have to make endless calls and searches to solve what should be a simple problem.
Much appreciated, regards, Jim.
great video mate gives me confidence in my 1 year old logic ESP1 35 boiler to be value for money cheers
Glad I could help
Wow Al nice work 👌. Anyone could almost do a diy install of this tutorial, very informative. Appreciate your efforts though. I've installed 3 of these logic max boilers so far. I've installed more of the vogue's though. I think they're quick neat little boilers, so far so good. I always recommend a shock arrestors installed with these, simply because of the plastic internal manifold. 👍
Have you have problems with the plastic parts hence the shock arrestor?
@@johnburns4017 No on the internal ret/flow manifold inside the boiler. It begins expand and contact over time and begins to leak. Had it have been made out of brass the problem would be less likely to occur.
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I had one of these installed this week, its brilliant compared to my 20 year old Baxi Combi boiler, very quite and such piece of mind with the 10 year warranty
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Just bought one having it installed at the moment.
Very enjoyable, thanks Allen.
Glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant video very useful and learnt a lot interesting as well
Thanks Allen
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Great video and Well explained. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you my friend for this excellent video
Great video thanks Allen - really helpful. Would you recommend Ideal room stat controls? Would they just plug into the front of the boiler?
I couldn’t answer that unfortunately as i haven’t installed any, Sorry. Thanks for watching.👍
Changing my 12 year old Ideal Logic boiler later this year. Your video was very informative, well worth watching. Would you be interested in installing one in Knaresborough?
Another great video
Thank you very much.
Thanks Alan very easy step you explain
Thanks
Hi Allen great vid as always. Just wondering why you fit the Baxi’s now instead and have you tried the Glowworm Energy which I think are good boilers for the price.
Lots of great boilers around these days but I do not install too many boilers these days and try and stick to a couple of brands. Thanks.
Fair play for buying the boiler to review. Have you considered going to the manufacturers direct and seeing if they may have a spare for you in return for a review. Saves you cash and gives them some press. Just a thought... thanks again for the vids
Manufactures do not normally want honest reviews lol. Thanks.
Excellent video. Very clear.
Thank you.
Alan perfect video thank you
Hi Kamil. Thank you for watching.
Good job very good information thanks Alan
Thanks for your time and effort
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliant video. Thanks. 👍
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Love your videos Alan, looks like your in a ACS training bay? Do you have your own assessment centre?
Just in my mancave. Thanks.
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
Probably 90% of boilers that i install now are logic max. Ithink they are one of the best boilers ive come across. Designed with the engineer in mind for installation, servicing and replacement of parts. Only issue ive come across recently is poor ignition on minimum rate in service mode on acouple that iinstalled. Customers called Ideal who swiftly replaced the gas valve under warranty. Other than that they are brilliant!
Hi there, love your videos, fantastic, excellent quality and good quality, very good knowledge, learn a lot from you, I am not heating engineer, just love DIY
Thanks for watching.
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Wonderful jobs, I learned a lot from your video, and vast wealth of knowledge and experience, exllent
Nice review Allen , I always recommend the logic range to customers if they ask for my preference as they are well made and a doddle to install , it's nice to see Ideal putting the Omega filter in the box now to encourage installers to fit them , I always fitted them as standard anyway....👍
Cheers mate....
How do you find the blow off connection? Do you connect compression before you install the boiler on the wall? Thanks.
Hi Allen , I always use a copper sharkbite fitting as it looks a lot neater and is easily disconnected if required.......👍
Hi Allen another top video . Your slowly converting me over to a press fit gun maybe later in the year I’ll put my hand in my pocket and get one 😂. I know the fittings are more expensive and the guns are not cheap and they require calibration . But the results look good and quick . But I don’t know if it’s your microphone picking up the press gun too much but they sound loud like my drill on hammer surely that can’t be good for your hearing ?? What do you think are they loud to use ? Thanks Simon .
The 102 / 103 isn’t as loud. 😂👍
Hi Allen Have you done any videos on how to change a control knob on an Ideal Logic + Combi 24 please? I've got a new control knob (part no: 177387) to replace the broken one, but was hoping to see how an expert does it before I open up the front panel. Thanks Brian
Hi Allan. Very informative videos you make so thanks. Although now retired from plumbing I still keep my hand in now and then. My question is I am very confident in fitting a new combi boiler although I can not touch the gas supply, would a gas safe engineer be allowed to gas up and commission the insulation and check my works.
Thanks Allan and keep up the videos.
Paul
Thanks.
Great video. My view on these very long warranties is manufacturers know they will have to repair a few, parts are generally fairly cheap to them but the vast majority will fail to keep up the servicing schedule or will have installation deficiencies which will allow them not to honour the policy. Most (all?) seem to exclude damage due to hard water too.
Long warrantees are good if customers have the boiler serviced.👍
Allen Hart and the installer has completed all prerequisites like power flush, magnaclean, water filter etc
@@chrisb4009 Customers need to pay the right price to have a good install as well. Lots of very cheap installs. 👍
I can’t see Baxi fixing many 10 year old appliances. I suspect they probably have a beyond economic repair clause included too.
@@chrisb4009 Baxi are really good for warranty claims from my experience. They just swap the boiler. 👍
Really enjoyed this very Informative . I think Ideal Boilers are very good value. Thanks.
Thank You
Great video Allen,
great to see press fitting at work. Welding is just so dreadful plus doing it in a customer’s property so risky.. Could welding piping for an installation be avoided completely? is there any fittings you would recommend to be welded and not pressed?
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I wish i lived closer to you Allen
Why Keith 😂
@@AllenHart999 Get in that man cave
@@keithbrueton I am in Leeds center of the UK 😂
Another great vid Alan, thanks.
I read a lot on online reviews and pretty much all of them put the viessmann vitodens 100 as top choice but an engineer I’ve spoken to prefers these.
Yes the warranty is much longer but if you were putting one in your home which would you pick?
Sorry just noticed this is a Logic, I thought it was a vogue as that’s what I originally searched for.
So my question is vogue max vs vitodens 100.
I have installed a Baxi 636 in my own house. Viessmann or Baxi would be my choice. Thanks.
Andy Duffield , I would definitely go for the viessmann boiler the vitodens range are an amazingly superior boiler
Hi Alan, thank you for the video, great stuff. I am doing some research on this boiler before purchase. As this video is around 2 years old do you still hold the same opinion that it is a good boiler? Any common faults I should be aware of? Thanks in advance.
I am actually liking the Logic more and more. How it’s installed is the most important thing. Thanks
Hi Alan, thanks for your very informative videos which really help me as I aim to pursue a change of career as a gas engineer. Can you tell me what laser level you use/prefer, thanks. Rich
Thank you
Can those press-fit be pulled apart? I'm wondering how they pass muster over other push-fit joints as they always had to be soldered joints (apart from the boiler connection and gas meter).
We cannot use push fit on commercial but we can use pressfit. No hot works is the way to go in my personal opinion.
Allen have you had many problems with ideal combi boilers? I have a 2 year old ideal combi35 and seems to keep firing up. The radiator temperature drops and it fires up, then repeats. Thermistats have been set well below the room temp so its not them.
Stay safe. Watch this one just in case. Thanks ruclips.net/video/Hh5lFC7VI4U/видео.html
Hi Allen, great video- thanks! I need a new boiler and have been offered the ideal c30 or the viessmann 050. Which one would you choose? I could do with help choosing- thanks :-)
S B I would go for the viessmann boiler far more superior
Thank you
Great vid 👍
Thank you 👍
Another very interesting and informative video,I have one question, Why in some properties do they fit an extra pressure tank, when the boiler complete with a built-in one, I have seen this from time to time and just wondered why.
Normally it's because the one in the boiler is too small or needs pumping up. Depends on system really.
@@AllenHart999 Thanks cheers pete.
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Thank you Allen for all your wonderful videos. I’m wanting to find a new combi boiler to replace my old Vokera Linea 28. Issue I have is my present gas supply is 15mm and I really don’t want to rip up all my flooring to change it if any newer boiler has a 20mm requirement. This Ideal Logic looks like it has a 15mm gas supply !! Please tell me it has. If so, that’s the one for me. Thanks.
Hi Stephen. Thank you so much for the question. Almost all boilers will need 22mm gas pipework, This will depend on a number of factors, Output of boiler, Length of gas pipe, You are only allowed 1mb drop over the pipework. Thanks.
Thank you Allen for both a speedy reply and replying at all to my silly question. It’s just that the Ideal boiler review you’re showing does indeed look like it has a 15mm gas input, and if it does it may well be okay for me. Can you confirm this please. Thanks again, I’m presently watching all of your videos for more help. Ta.
Stephen Nolan you still need the correct flow of gas to the boiler, the ideal logic allows 1mb drop over the installation, just like any other boiler, you would need to have an installer do a pipe sizing calculation. Thanks
Nice looking boiler but I’ve heard the sump has issues with leaks , is this something you’ve came across? Is the sump easy to replace?
The new boilers have a modified sump now. Hopefully they will be ok. Thanks.
Great video
Thank you. 👍👍👍
Another great video Allen. One suggestion for another video, you touched on it here. Is how to correctly size a combi boiler, taking into account flow rates/gas pipe size etc. I get asked an aweful lot how it should be done by fitters who just install whatever they can 'get away with' or whatever size is on offer etc. Also on all our newbuilds we fit 35kw logic regardless but the builders wonder why there's issues down the line. Be good if you could put together a detailed video for 'installers' a guide to sizing correctly. 👍
Yes that would be a good video, I will try and do one when i get chance. Thank you for your kind words.
Funny how you mentioned this, I was only just thinking about this today as a good video for Sir Allen to do.
Ibrahim Ali I will try and include some of this in my next video. Then maybe do a video totally relating this subject. Many Thanks 🙏
Great Video thanks
Thank You
Do you find it’s quite a loud boiler? Mine is mounted on a stud wall with no insulation so it’s sounds very loud in the room next door that the boiler backs on to! So loud we are looking at soundproofing or moving the boiler.
Hi, great video. Question about the power source. Mine has been connected to a 13amp fuse switch but I just noticed the manual has a 3amp stated. Should I change this and what might be the problem of having a higher fuse than is recommended? Thanks in advance.
Most combi boilers need a 3 amp fuse but it is worth checking in the installation manual or give the manufacturer a call. Thanks.
So so much more more gold knowledge
Thanks.
Great video Allen, will I need a c35 in a 4 bedroom bungalow with 2 bathrooms.
Depends how you use the system. Maybe an unvented cylinder would be better? Thanks.
Hi Alan, just out of curiosity do you know if a Hive is compatible with a Logic Combi? Thanks
Yes. Thanks.
Hi Allen
This might be a bit off topic but I would really appreciated any advice you may have.
I have a Logic combi C24 installed 2018 with a remote thermostat. The boiler is fine but the thermostat is a problem. The thermostat needs 4 good quality batteries to function. When the batteries first ran out, I replaced them but the remote wouldn't pair with the boiler. Their remedy was to replace the thermostat with another saying it was faulty. I happened to replace the batteries before running out in subsequent years but didn't manage to this year (they run out before the time stated by Ideal). The same problem has happened again. I am doing all per instructions as I usually do but the thermostat just states 'pairing' and will not go beyond that. I have turned the boiler off and on at the mains (as per their troubleshooting instructions) before replacing the last battery.
I called logic but they were unhelpful. There must be others with this same issue. Do you have any experience or guidance for me so I can solve this? Many thanks
looks like a very nice boiler, they sure look like they would be a lot easier to work on than the old boilers, doesn't look so cluttered with parts as it was in older boilers like my Valliant turbomax.
They are very easy to work on. Thanks for watching.
What's the reason for not having white on show with boiler's?
Seen you mention it. A few times on different videos
Hello
I just moved into a house with a Ideal Logic combi C24. The hot water is working but the central heating is not working. Please can you advise how l can get the heating to warm up please on winter mode?
Thank you
Hi all can't be cheap for you keep doing these vids what will you do with all the boilers. Great vid.
I will just use them in videos, Strip downs servicing etc. Thanks.
Allen Hart you can use them for a future job
If you have them all connected up to your system, your never going to be caught short and won’t have to go without a shower for a few days until you get something sorted. Just switch over to one of the other combies lol.
Well done good video
Thanks
I have one like that but mine has kind of black valve under it to the left looking at it. Like it is some kind of water draining system. It has a spanner with it. On a small square not at the top of it. And outlet drain at the bottom. I think it maybe a water drain, like condensation or something like that?
What distance from the boiler would you say is safe to solder fittings onto the pipework to prevent heat travelling up through the pipes and into the boiler connections? I'm guessing when you initially extend the tails with hot solder fittings you do it with them unscrewed from the boiler .
i have solder next to a fitting in the past. not had any issues.
@@AllenHart999 thanks for the reply . Cheeky question but here goes, I need to update my 25 year old system boiler ( floor standing potterton mf 50)for a more modern combination boiler ,I've been watching lots of your videos and I'm swaying towards a baxi but can't seem to make a firm decision . I don't mind spending up to £1000 for the boiler but not much more. Would you be able to advise me on what may be suitable ,I live in a small 3 bed semi with one bathroom and 7 radiators.
Hello can I ask you a question about boiler if the boiler is on the tap water symbol straight up am I right in thinking the heating shouldn't come on or could the thermastat take control and then radiators come on if the thermastat calls for heat would the boiler automatically come on ?or does the dial on boiler front have to be on hot water and heat thankyou
The rads shouldn't come on if room stat is off. Thank you
Brilliant video Allen. Im well due a new boiler. Next time you want to do a new install video you can do it at my house, i will pay you what ever you charge.
It would be an absolute honour to have you fit my boiler.
Can you do a ideal isar fault finding video? Ive got endless problems with it but cant afford a new one yet (still saving) i just hope it doesn't completely pack out otherwise im in big trouble.
What area do you live? Thanks.
Great video, thank you! Didn't know you left EastEnders to do RUclips videos!
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Hi Allen is this c24 suitable for 3bed house with 2 bath
I have had a 24cdi since about 2004.... it might be due a change soon, these don't look bad and have a good warranty...how do the worcesters compare??
Thank You
I am not too keen on Worcester really TBH.
Do these boilers have built in time clock??
Great video by the way
No, Thank You
Hi Allen, I can't find anywhere how to range rate the Ideal boiler, does it do it automatically (which may be the reason for not finding it) or is there a means to do it. For some reason, this is not in the commissioning process???
You cannot range rate them. Thanks.
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Many thanks for video. May I ask you: what are the diamentres of pipes (in mm or inches if you prefer) for the CH and DHW flows and returns?
15mm for hot and cold. Flow and return 22mm Thank you
Hello have you come across any problems with the front display I put the heating and hot water on then after a couple of hours went to put it onto just got water as it was warm enough but heating didn't go off have you had any problems with the button front dial at all with it sticking
No not yet but it will still be under warranty with ideal so give them a call. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 thankyou
Just wondering if you can run this boiler on 15mm gas pipe or it has to be 22mm? Would appreciate help on this thanks
Need to check pipe sizing. Thank you
I thought people might be interested in a customer experience of an Ideal Logic Combi boiler. You might say that if you'd known how I intended to use it you would have suggested another make - in fairness I didn't expect the price of gas to triple and be warming one room instead of three. To highlight the problems I'm comparing an Ideal Logic Combi coupled with the Ideal Halo thermostat to a Vaillant boiler using the supplied (Vaillant) thermostat.
Both systems are usually heating one radiator with an output of around 500W.
The Vaillant and (PID?) controller tops up the radiator with hot water roughly once every ten minutes with the result that the room temperature is virtually constant. The boiler makes a single burn of around 30 seconds and turns off [the pump runs on for a few minutes]. For most of the year the flow temperature is (manually) set to 45 degrees or less. The system works well with other radiators fitted with TRVs and just does what central heating is supposed to do.
The Halo thermostat looks sophisticated but actually isn't. It turns the boiler on when the device is 0.3 degrees below setpoint and off when it reaches the setpoint - the device seems to have been designed more for appearance than function and the actual room temperature varies considerably before the Halo reaches either the upper or lower switching points. A typical cycle involves the boiler short-cycling for around half an hour finishing up with the flow at 70 degrees (which gaurantees overshoot) followed by a half hour delay while the room and the water in the central heating system cools down enough to repeat the performance. Radiators fitted with TRVs only work when there is hot water in the system so we now use fan heaters to heat up a room if/when required.
The Halo controller is (apparently) compatible with weather compensation but Ideal have already convinced me I've bought a system designed by idiots and, well, more stupidity isn't necessarily better.
One of the more obvious signs that the Ideal Logic is an expensive way to heat a house is that the fan in the boiler blows cold outside air through the heat exchanger continuously for the half hour that the boiler is 'on'. To the extent that Ideal Technical help are either technical or helpful this appears to be how the boiler is intended to operate. The Ideal helpline did suggest it 'might' work better if the Halo were in the coldest room but when only one room is heated this isn’t helpful.
Taking into account the spurious fan cooling, the short cycling and the need for electric heating I would estimate the real efficiency of the Ideal boiler to be closer to 50% than anything the 'A' rating label is intended to imply.
I am reluctant to scrap the Logic Combi after only 18 months but in reality this is probably the best option.
Summary: I would not recommend an Ideal Logic Combi to a friend.
Thanks. Is a magna flush always recommended for a new boiler install?
Depends how bad the system is, Sometimes it will need full powerflush. Thanks.
I'm stuck between the logic max c24 and the Baxi 800, to put in my upcoming rental property.
My other rental has the logic max c24 and it's been find.
I'm unsure now I know the logic doesn't have a stainless steel heat exchange or brass parts.
Both good boilers if installed correctly in my opinion
Very helpfull
Solid install
Thanks.