Most importantly (IMO) no contrived controversies or inflated weak points. There was another (bigger) RUclips reviewer who was implying the Surface Laptop would make the SP5 redundant. Nonsense of course, as the laptop is clearly the weaker product caught in the overlap between the Book and the Pro, but I guess he had to look critical and make unique points or something.
Lisa, you've got the reason they've removed the number wrong. It's not because it's a minor refresh, it's because the form factor has matured to the level that they can just drop the numbers going forward like the MacBook. Don't expect huge changes going forward because the hardware is almost perfect for what it's trying to be.
Exactly. Having a number after the 3rd was stupid. Panos Panay even mentioned they realized their full dream for the Surface with the Pro 3. Every release since has just been iterations where technology allows. Panos DID troll us a bit by saying there was no such thing as a Surface Pro 5. : )
I'm probably going to still call it a 5, but totally agree. There won't be much improvement after this. Just add USB-C and boom. And I'm not complaining about the USB-C. All I have that uses it is my Nintendo Switch. By the next one in two years I fully expect to the Surface Pro to have it and I should be ready for it then.
just wanted to say I really enjoy your reviews. I've been watching you review phones, cameras and anything tech for a few years and never took the time to say thank you. Keep up the great work!
Finally, Lisa will stop saying "it doesn't have tilt control". I'm surprised at how little coverage it was given. It was THE feature everyone, Lisa included, constantly complained about especially when comparing it to the competition.
Always enjoy your reviews, concise, fair and balanced views. I 'm still using a Surface Pro 3 I pre-ordered in 2014, the best computer I ever bought and worth every penny, it's the i7 256 model and it's lasted well so these things are an investment - expensive though they seem at the time! I'd love to try the newer models but don't feel I really need the upgrade :)
I don't know how you do it, you make every video just so interesting and pleasant to watch even though I already knew everything about the new surface pro, I clicked immediately anyway, bless u ❤
I am still wondering why I love Lisa and MobileTechReview so much. Presentation-wise, it looks very normal (tone, wardrobe) but the content and the advises given feels so honest. Actually the 'normal feeling' presentation also helps to give the idea that this video is about content and not about some flashy stuff only.
i really enjoy watching your reviews . very informative :) and i was wondering if you could compare some of the hp x2 (spectre &elite & pro) and the pen in them .
I always enjoy your videos. I liked this one too. just a small correction about battery life. The 6, 6.5 hours you mentioned for SP4 is mixed use battery life, while 13.5 for the new is video playback. the SP4 had 9h video playback, so it's like 4h increase. maybe the new will have around 10h mixed use which will be fantastic. many thanks for your videos.
I watch a lot of reviews, but yours is always the best , always many of them miss some key good or bad features which is painful to watch because it gives wrong information and sight , but you always include all details
it was you!!! the girl i was waiting for.. finally you're here, before you buy any stuff you most came here guys i swear.. i want this hybrid that's why im here.
Really awesome first look. I tend to get hot headed when new products are released (cause I want them all obviously) but I can always count on your channel to give an honest review/first look instead of just hyping up some new products. I have a surface pro 2 and have been looking to upgrade to either pro 4 or this new pro and you're right that the price tag of the new pro is making me hesitate. The new pen looks awesome but thank you for the reminder that other brands have had some really good progress in catching up or even overtaking Microsoft in this regard. The alcantara keyboard is very aesthetically pleasing (I must am very shallow when it comes to accessories) and the rounded edges are more appealing as well. I look forward to the detail review of the surface pro! :) Thank you.
I think that Microsoft is purposefully keeping the prices high. They want to show-off what kind of devices can be done with Windows, but ultimately want their hardware partners to make, well, the hardware. The Surface line, from my understanding, is not supposed to compete with HP, ASUS, etc... who may come with products with either similar or lower prices.
But most folks are willing to folk out $800-$900 for an iPhone and not think twice about it. It's just used for mundane social networking crap. This is a productivity tool that in my mind is worth the cost. The only drawback is how Microsoft is just going against its own good by not including USB-C ports in its new products.
Julius Gashumba yea, at this point USB-C is being omitted so people will upgrade to next years product with USB-C/thunderbolt 3 for greater profits. It's ridiculous, and if they do this with the new surface book 2 releasing in October, They are shooting themselves in the foot.
jed23ify I initially thought the lack of usb c was stupid but after yesterday's report that Intel is leaning towards thunderbolt 3 over usb c, ms may very well be saying you from buying usb c accessories for nothing.
I don't trust their battery claims after the last surface pro. And I'd think that a finger print sensor would be standard for this price range. I do love that it has a regular i5 processor which is fanless
It uses Windows Hello. And there's a typecover last gen that uses a fingerprint sensor. Battery claim, expect 9-11 light use guessing from previous pros being a couple hours below claim. Photoshop I'm expecting 6-8 hours.
Been wanting one of these 2-in-1s for almost a year now. Finally took the plunge when the Asus Transformer 3 Pro was on offer for £650. Returned it because the battery was a bit meh, and the fan was always on. This solves both problems, much better battery and silent. Perfect... but almost £1500 with pen and keyboard! £850 more! More than double the price!? Jesus christ! I'll go with the Samsung Galaxy Book 12.
a) 7 th gen is somewhat more power efficient that the older iterations b) core-m cpus have flexible tdp like 4.5 w, 7 and 9 w where as the core-u cpus have a constant 15 watt tdp. c) the battery is 11 watt-hr bigger d) low tdp means passive cooling is enough May be all these factors are helping to extend the battery life of core-m models...:)
Lisa, what is your opinion on Intel's announcement today about Thunderbolt 3? Does this mean ppl should wait until next year to buy the next model Surface? Thunderbolt will now be part of the cpu starting next year, which means no more excuse not to have it as it is free of charge to manufacturers.
I wouldn't call surface pro (2017) more expensive than the SP4. The starting price for the new Surface pro in Microsoft store is 799$ without the pen. The old SP4 initial starting price was 899$. So they basically left the price the same, it's just that they let you choose if you want the pen to come with the surface pro and probably will also allow you to choose the color of the pen as well.
Thank you very much for the review. How did you feel about the palm rejection with the newer pen? I think you had mentioned that Wacom's palm rejection in the Samsung Galaxy Book 12 was better than Surface Pro 4's [and I may be mistaken there] so I'm very curious since with this refresh I'm strongly considering this unit.
She's got it exactly right imho. If the surface pros are good devices is dependent on the price. When they first release they're just above what I'd call a good deal. So I'd say this is the perfect moment for getting an discounted Surface Pro 4.
They say the pen is backwards compatible with the SP4 but they're very unclear on the difference that would make. If it even slightly outperforms the current pen that'd be an insta-buy for me.
the new type cover is no only alcantara fancy, as far as i know the upgraded the trackpad, now it supports up to 5 finger gestures and it should be even more responsive
looking forward to the in depth review. still waiting for a usbc and longer battery life. looks like theyve finally took care of one maybe i need to wait longer..for the SP5
A sueface pro 4 owner here. Would love to buy the pen if i get a better experience with the new one. Compared to apple pencil is not quite there. So maybe this one nailed it. Also thunderbolt 3 port is not needed but the next device after this pro 2017 is better be there, MS. Loving my surface pro 4 so far, good job MS
Lisa, I'm curious about the backward compatibility of the new pen. I figured you could use the basic functionality on older Surface Pro and Surface Studio devices. But will the tilt feature also work on said devices?
Thank you for your review. Hard to get information about this device. Is the pen going to be entirely backwards compatible? Pressure sensitivity and latency etc?
The best part about there being an updated Surface Pro is that the Surface Pro 4 is just going to get cheaper. There doesn't seem to be much of a reason for me to get the new one since the screen is still really sharp, the hardware might be old but still relatively good, and the heaviest work I'm going to use it for is some photo-editing. Can't wait for the new one to come out so the old one becomes an easier buy for me.
Great first look. Any idea on whether other manufacturers will update their N-Trig devices to work w/ the added features of the new pen, such as the 2017 HP Spectre X360?
Do you think this would be worth the buy for a college student? I'm looking for something that won't completely break the bank (like a specked out MacBook Pro), but is also worth the price. Or do you think I should wait and see what will come out (like at WWDC). Thanks.
Hi Lisa, thanks for your great review as always. Just curious, how does this Surface Pen compare with the Samsung Galaxy Book's S-pen and is the Galaxy Book's Oled screen better than the new Surface Pro's screen? Thanks!
tried both the new MacBook pro 13 kaby lake refresh, surface laptop and the surface pro i5 256gb. The surface pro is AMAZING. Runs great and fast. The keyboard is awesome as well... the only thing that worries me is the hindge breaking in long run as I never used a surface product before.
Hello and compliments for your reviews !! Would I be indecisive between the Teclast x5 pro, the cube thinker or wait for the chuwi surbook? What do you recommend me to these? Thanks, I'm following you from Italy
So the new surface doesn't look that great, but the pen intrigues me. Do you know if the pen's tilt function will be backwards compatible with other (better) n-trig computers like the Spectre x360?
Thanks Lisa. Any reason I shouldn't just get a refurb Surface Pro 4 and buy the new pen separately? I'm really not seeing a good case for buying this thing, other than it'll help drive down the price of the Pro 4. I don't need the latest processor tech or LTE.
When would you be able to run bench marks on it? I have pre-ordered but I am reeeeallllly worried for thermal throttling. Thanks a lot for a benchmark and throttle test!
Hello Lisa, thanks for the video, I always watch your videos before buying a new machine. I just wonder if it's possible to change the battery on the new surface device once it gets old. I heard that's not possible with the surface laptop; even if you send it to the manufacturer.
Hi from Montreal, I have never made the move to get a surface since its first iteration. Should I just go for it? I was also looking at the HP SPectre X360 13" version. Do you also know if the surface usb-c dock can take it thunderbolt input? last question, what is that microphone that you use that you hang on your t-shirt? lol
Hi, thanks for the nice video, what about the i7 with fan? is it loud when running heavy app? I need to know it since I'm hesitating between i5 and i7, thanks!
Another great preview by Lisa! I am in the market for a windows convertible, and here in Luxembourg I can find the surface pro 4 (i5,8GB ram, 256 SSD) with the type cover for 1149€ (1€ =1.1$) while the new surface pro with the same configuration will cost 1449+150+100=1700€ (surface+typecover+stylus) . The question is does it worth the price difference?
My problem is how much they charge for not a lot of storage, there really shouldn't be more than about 100-300$ difference between 256GB and 1TB especially if they're using standard SSDs.
If that battery life is actual, the next iteration really only needs to improve on the IO and make the pen rechargeable, and if they care about it, improve the battery life even more. I would've loved if one day they brought a laptop dock that brought a physical keyboard and additional battery, but with the introduction of the Surface Laptop, that idea is probably null and void.
Very pleased I bit the bullet and bought my Surface 4 back in November. Was really worried I was doing the wrong thing with the 'anticipated' Pro 5 coming back then and all those rumours. I'll happily stick with my Pro 4...and I got a free Xbox One S in with the deal :)
The pressure levels above 1-2k mean almost nothing, its more a marketing word. As someone who draw, its the surface activation that's its biggest problem. The i5 without a fan does look tasty, but I will temper myself and wait for the full review.
I think it's good they don't include the type cover and the pen in the box. Some Surface customers are going to have both of those already and it would be a waste of money.
As a student who wants to use a Surface Pro for note taking and light web browsing what would you guys think the best option would be? The Surface Pro 4 has had some major price cuts which make it more enticing than the new Surface Pro. Ideas are welcome and encouraged ty.
The biggest difference is the battery life, so if you know you won't need it longer than 4-6 hours at a time, then I say go for the SP4. If not, then you should probably get the new one.
Dear Lisa, guys I'm considering to get a surface But I'm a bit confused, I'm starting Master and I need it as well for photo editing and maybe video editing (4K), so where is the sweetest spot ( surface or not surface option) you recommend without spending much ( I'm in a budget(very)) that I can hang with for couple years????? So do you think I should do more waiting (save more)?? because it will be my sole machine for I while and like I said can keep up with photo and video editing but not overkill, so is it worth the extra couple hundreds? I need to wait couple months anyway before I get something. Thanks for making this review.
I want a computer for school, and am debating whether to get the Surface Laptop or get the Surface Pro. Which one would you recommend? I'm leaning towards the laptop since it's more lap friendly.
Andrew depends on what you want. Note that the laptop ships with Win10S (WinRT2.0) so you would want to upgrade that ($50 if done after Dec 31). For the surface you would want to buy the keyboard ($150 or $160?). The bottom line is if you want to take hand written notes. The laptop hinge does not go far at all so the touchscreen is more like a gimmick. The surface does not have that problem. However if that is something you want you should purchase the pen ($99) or just get the older Gen ($60ish?) or any other generic N-trig pen ($20-$50) if art is something you don't care about.
Hi Lisa, You are great!!! I utilized your reviews extensively in my research for laptops a few months ago In future comparison videos, can you bring up any advantages that any Surface has due to the Hardware and Software being built by Microsoft while utilizing the Microsoft operating system, Windows 10? A friend steered me in the direction of the Surface for this very reason and I don't believe I ever saw this topic addressed in any of your videos. All -- I got a Core i7, 8G, 256 MB Surface Pro 4 in late December for $1,200 on Amazon. Looks like that price is still valid. I am very happy with the Surface Pro 4, got it for graduate school to replace an eight-year old Apple laptop that barely worked anymore.
i am sitting here on the edge. about if i should jump on the new one, or go with pro 4. the new one here is quiet a bit more (i7 8gig model with type cover NO pen.) is 2.256$...an the pro 4 i7 8gig with pen an cover is 1.955$..so should i maybe just stick with the pro 4?
the i7 Miix is the same price as the pro 4 here an i think the pro 4 is better product as for the spectre x360 is bit of a diffrent type of product with its flipstyle keyboad witch i am not a fan off beside the quiestion whas not about if i should get something else.but if i should go with the new one or stick with a pro 4
The fact that the new pen is backwards compatible with the Surface Pro 3 is exciting because that means I don't have to buy a new one to get the tilt. I don't feel like the 256, 1024, 4096 levels are a big deal as long as the pressure range is well calibrated. The Pro 3 pen felt better calibrated than the Pro 4 pen pressure wise but the Pro 4 pen's nibs were a better feel with contact against the screen. Also the eraser function on the Pro 4 pen was kind of a wash as far as pressure sensitivity the button function on the Pro 3 pen worked better for me. If I had money to burn I'd buy the i7 iris graphics model although now the Pro 4s are gonna get dirt cheap and become a good value. I'll probably just see how the new pen works with my SP3 before I decide to upgrade.
Hello, I am looking a quad core ultrabook for photoshop and cad applications. I want it to be reasonably priced, (around 1500 dollars), quad core i7, 512GB or above SSD, GT940 or above graphics, 16GB ram, 15 in screen in 14 in form factor, No heavier than 5 lb and at least 7 hours battery life. After searching, xps 15 met my standard, but they are too expensive and XPS's key travel is too short for me. I am still looking for new models and found lenovo Yoga 720 meet my standard. Do you want to do a review of this laptop and compare to XPS 15? Or do you have any other ideas beside XPS 15, razor blade, asus zenbook pro models? Thank you.
Lovely product. But that pricing is purely 'premium' just to make some silly statement. That core i5/*GB ram/256GB drive is expensive enough without cover or pen, but the increments for minor improvements in cpu, memory, space are plain ridiculous.
No Thunderbolt 3, no go.. I was really holding out for the new Surface Pro. Looks like I'll have to compromise and get the Asus Transformer Pro 3 instead. Man, if only Vaio would release a second generation Canvas Z with thunderbolt 3. That would be my perfect tablet.
Kaby lake has impressive battery performance. My only regret is that they didn't include an ultra-low powered 10 series GPU yet. I have a Dell with a 1050 and a Kaby Lake i5, I get 5-7 hours playing Indie games, that's incredible. But the best part is being able to boot up the Witcher 3. If nothing else, including a thunderbolt port would be good for an external graphics dock. At the price these sell for, the lack of included features is scary
if price wasn't an issue, cause $560 is huge for me(including type cover and pen). I mean, if i really wanted battery, i'd go for a bigger screen, like surface book i5 8gb!
Ill will stick with SP3 not sure I see the point of this refresh plus I do not agree for paying for in between devices I think its pointless. Good review btw :)
This lady is one of the best tech reviewer on RUclips :)
jonathan porter i agree!
No bullshit, not annoying, in-depth analysis, no jokey banter, no fanboyism. Thank you.
Most importantly (IMO) no contrived controversies or inflated weak points. There was another (bigger) RUclips reviewer who was implying the Surface Laptop would make the SP5 redundant. Nonsense of course, as the laptop is clearly the weaker product caught in the overlap between the Book and the Pro, but I guess he had to look critical and make unique points or something.
agreed!
jonathan porter true
Lisa, you've got the reason they've removed the number wrong. It's not because it's a minor refresh, it's because the form factor has matured to the level that they can just drop the numbers going forward like the MacBook. Don't expect huge changes going forward because the hardware is almost perfect for what it's trying to be.
Exactly. Having a number after the 3rd was stupid. Panos Panay even mentioned they realized their full dream for the Surface with the Pro 3. Every release since has just been iterations where technology allows.
Panos DID troll us a bit by saying there was no such thing as a Surface Pro 5. : )
I'm probably going to still call it a 5, but totally agree. There won't be much improvement after this. Just add USB-C and boom. And I'm not complaining about the USB-C. All I have that uses it is my Nintendo Switch. By the next one in two years I fully expect to the Surface Pro to have it and I should be ready for it then.
I'm sure that buyers will appreciate the better battery life. I'm lucky to have my Surface Pro 4 last 4.5 hours of use mostly web browsing.
just wanted to say I really enjoy your reviews. I've been watching you review phones, cameras and anything tech for a few years and never took the time to say thank you. Keep up the great work!
Finally, Lisa will stop saying "it doesn't have tilt control". I'm surprised at how little coverage it was given. It was THE feature everyone, Lisa included, constantly complained about especially when comparing it to the competition.
it always blows me away how professional, knowledgeable, and informative Lisa is. She is by far my favorite tech reviewer.
Best tech review I've seen. So many great points mentioned that normally require lots of digging and watching other videos.
Always enjoy your reviews, concise, fair and balanced views. I 'm still using a Surface Pro 3 I pre-ordered in 2014, the best computer I ever bought and worth every penny, it's the i7 256 model and it's lasted well so these things are an investment - expensive though they seem at the time! I'd love to try the newer models but don't feel I really need the upgrade :)
I don't know how you do it, you make every video just so interesting and pleasant to watch even though I already knew everything about the new surface pro, I clicked immediately anyway, bless u ❤
still, old iou ports wish they modernise these ports to usb 3.0 and usb 3.1 and mebe on the very high end model thunderbolt
I am still wondering why I love Lisa and MobileTechReview so much. Presentation-wise, it looks very normal (tone, wardrobe) but the content and the advises given feels so honest. Actually the 'normal feeling' presentation also helps to give the idea that this video is about content and not about some flashy stuff only.
She bought me over with this video. Professional, detailed, well articulated and just very very good review!
i really enjoy watching your reviews . very informative :)
and i was wondering if you could compare some of the hp x2 (spectre &elite & pro) and the pen in them .
I always enjoy your videos. I liked this one too. just a small correction about battery life. The 6, 6.5 hours you mentioned for SP4 is mixed use battery life, while 13.5 for the new is video playback. the SP4 had 9h video playback, so it's like 4h increase. maybe the new will have around 10h mixed use which will be fantastic. many thanks for your videos.
I hope so! I got like 4 on my SP3. If I can get 7 to 8 with using Photoshop, that would be awesome!
Your full review is the only one I#ll be waiting for :)
I watch a lot of reviews, but yours is always the best , always many of them miss some key good or bad features which is painful to watch because it gives wrong information and sight , but you always include all details
it was you!!! the girl i was waiting for.. finally you're here, before you buy any stuff you most came here guys i swear.. i want this hybrid that's why im here.
Really awesome first look. I tend to get hot headed when new products are released (cause I want them all obviously) but I can always count on your channel to give an honest review/first look instead of just hyping up some new products. I have a surface pro 2 and have been looking to upgrade to either pro 4 or this new pro and you're right that the price tag of the new pro is making me hesitate. The new pen looks awesome but thank you for the reminder that other brands have had some really good progress in catching up or even overtaking Microsoft in this regard. The alcantara keyboard is very aesthetically pleasing (I must am very shallow when it comes to accessories) and the rounded edges are more appealing as well.
I look forward to the detail review of the surface pro! :) Thank you.
I think that Microsoft is purposefully keeping the prices high.
They want to show-off what kind of devices can be done with Windows, but ultimately want their hardware partners to make, well, the hardware. The Surface line, from my understanding, is not supposed to compete with HP, ASUS, etc... who may come with products with either similar or lower prices.
looking forward to your indepth review!
I have a Pro 4 right now and super happy with it :)
But most folks are willing to folk out $800-$900 for an iPhone and not think twice about it. It's just used for mundane social networking crap. This is a productivity tool that in my mind is worth the cost. The only drawback is how Microsoft is just going against its own good by not including USB-C ports in its new products.
Julius Gashumba yea, at this point USB-C is being omitted so people will upgrade to next years product with USB-C/thunderbolt 3 for greater profits. It's ridiculous, and if they do this with the new surface book 2 releasing in October, They are shooting themselves in the foot.
Couldn't agree more! It's a flawed strategy in my opinion.
jed23ify I initially thought the lack of usb c was stupid but after yesterday's report that Intel is leaning towards thunderbolt 3 over usb c, ms may very well be saying you from buying usb c accessories for nothing.
Joe Lau Do you know that thunderbolt 3 uses the same port as USB C? If so you'll know that there is no excuse for not including it.
Hey Lisa..Your videos are awesome..Whenever I need a good honest review on a product, I look for you!
You forgot to mention there is an LTE enabled version
You know more about tech than young kids. Very much appreciate your review.
I don't trust their battery claims after the last surface pro. And I'd think that a finger print sensor would be standard for this price range. I do love that it has a regular i5 processor which is fanless
It uses Windows Hello. And there's a typecover last gen that uses a fingerprint sensor. Battery claim, expect 9-11 light use guessing from previous pros being a couple hours below claim. Photoshop I'm expecting 6-8 hours.
we're gonna look at it now
Great to see a NON sponsored video unlike MKBHD.
Thank you, glad to hear the pen is backward compatible and I can benefit from it on my Surface Book!!!
Been wanting one of these 2-in-1s for almost a year now. Finally took the plunge when the Asus Transformer 3 Pro was on offer for £650. Returned it because the battery was a bit meh, and the fan was always on.
This solves both problems, much better battery and silent. Perfect... but almost £1500 with pen and keyboard! £850 more! More than double the price!? Jesus christ! I'll go with the Samsung Galaxy Book 12.
a) 7 th gen is somewhat more power efficient that the older iterations
b) core-m cpus have flexible tdp like 4.5 w, 7 and 9 w where as
the core-u cpus have a constant 15 watt tdp.
c) the battery is 11 watt-hr bigger
d) low tdp means passive cooling is enough
May be all these factors are helping to extend the battery life of core-m models...:)
Lisa, what is your opinion on Intel's announcement today about Thunderbolt 3? Does this mean ppl should wait until next year to buy the next model Surface? Thunderbolt will now be part of the cpu starting next year, which means no more excuse not to have it as it is free of charge to manufacturers.
Great video! Fair and steady reviews make you very trustable! Great job
I think she will be the coolest grandma on RUclips that reviews tech.
I wouldn't call surface pro (2017) more expensive than the SP4. The starting price for the new Surface pro in Microsoft store is 799$ without the pen. The old SP4 initial starting price was 899$.
So they basically left the price the same, it's just that they let you choose if you want the pen to come with the surface pro and probably will also allow you to choose the color of the pen as well.
Thank you very much for the review. How did you feel about the palm rejection with the newer pen? I think you had mentioned that Wacom's palm rejection in the Samsung Galaxy Book 12 was better than Surface Pro 4's [and I may be mistaken there] so I'm very curious since with this refresh I'm strongly considering this unit.
She's got it exactly right imho. If the surface pros are good devices is dependent on the price. When they first release they're just above what I'd call a good deal. So I'd say this is the perfect moment for getting an discounted Surface Pro 4.
I always prefer to watch your reviews your so tech savvy and informative!!
This channel must have a lot many more subscribers.
I can't decide between this, lenovo x270 or apple macbook air. Just whether I really need the pen technology
They say the pen is backwards compatible with the SP4 but they're very unclear on the difference that would make. If it even slightly outperforms the current pen that'd be an insta-buy for me.
the new type cover is no only alcantara fancy, as far as i know the upgraded the trackpad, now it supports up to 5 finger gestures and it should be even more responsive
looking forward to the in depth review. still waiting for a usbc and longer battery life. looks like theyve finally took care of one maybe i need to wait longer..for the SP5
How is the new surface mouse?
A sueface pro 4 owner here. Would love to buy the pen if i get a better experience with the new one. Compared to apple pencil is not quite there. So maybe this one nailed it.
Also thunderbolt 3 port is not needed but the next device after this pro 2017 is better be there, MS. Loving my surface pro 4 so far, good job MS
Lisa, I'm curious about the backward compatibility of the new pen. I figured you could use the basic functionality on older Surface Pro and Surface Studio devices. But will the tilt feature also work on said devices?
Thank you for your review. Hard to get information about this device. Is the pen going to be entirely backwards compatible? Pressure sensitivity and latency etc?
Lisa, great video as always. What lapel mic are you using? The audio sounds very clear and thanks.
It's a Sony wireless Bluetooth mic for Sony cameras with their Multi-interface hot shoe (we use a Sony a6300 camera).
The best part about there being an updated Surface Pro is that the Surface Pro 4 is just going to get cheaper. There doesn't seem to be much of a reason for me to get the new one since the screen is still really sharp, the hardware might be old but still relatively good, and the heaviest work I'm going to use it for is some photo-editing. Can't wait for the new one to come out so the old one becomes an easier buy for me.
I would love to see a comparison and your thoughts on which one is better (Performance/Cost), Dell Latitude 5285 vs the Surface Pro.
an honest opinion.. should i pre-order microsoft surface pro with i7 or macbook pro 13 with touch i7..
what should i buy ?
Keep up the good work, Lisa!
Great first look. Any idea on whether other manufacturers will update their N-Trig devices to work w/ the added features of the new pen, such as the 2017 HP Spectre X360?
Do you think this would be worth the buy for a college student? I'm looking for something that won't completely break the bank (like a specked out MacBook Pro), but is also worth the price. Or do you think I should wait and see what will come out (like at WWDC). Thanks.
Hi Lisa, thanks for your great review as always. Just curious, how does this Surface Pen compare with the Samsung Galaxy Book's S-pen and is the Galaxy Book's Oled screen better than the new Surface Pro's screen? Thanks!
tried both the new MacBook pro 13 kaby lake refresh, surface laptop and the surface pro i5 256gb. The surface pro is AMAZING. Runs great and fast. The keyboard is awesome as well... the only thing that worries me is the hindge breaking in long run as I never used a surface product before.
Hello and compliments for your reviews !! Would I be indecisive between the Teclast x5 pro, the cube thinker or wait for the chuwi surbook? What do you recommend me to these? Thanks, I'm following you from Italy
So the new surface doesn't look that great, but the pen intrigues me. Do you know if the pen's tilt function will be backwards compatible with other (better) n-trig computers like the Spectre x360?
Thanks Lisa. Any reason I shouldn't just get a refurb Surface Pro 4 and buy the new pen separately? I'm really not seeing a good case for buying this thing, other than it'll help drive down the price of the Pro 4. I don't need the latest processor tech or LTE.
Only reason I want this new one is for the battery life. I think if you don't need more than 5-6 hours, you're good to go with the SP4.
I agree about the pricing... The surface pro 4 seemed worth it to me, but any more expensive and it starts to be too much.
CAN'T WAIT FOR YOUR REVIEW!!!!!!!!
Ms.lady can you answer my question.?
Which laptop is better to get,
•surface book or surface pro?
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Yay! I love your videos, thank you for making a new one!
When would you be able to run bench marks on it? I have pre-ordered but I am reeeeallllly worried for thermal throttling. Thanks a lot for a benchmark and throttle test!
Hello Lisa, thanks for the video, I always watch your videos before buying a new machine. I just wonder if it's possible to change the battery on the new surface device once it gets old. I heard that's not possible with the surface laptop; even if you send it to the manufacturer.
Since I own a gaming laptop, if I wanna go for utility and monitor display, Lisa should I go for MacBook Pro or Surface?
Hi from Montreal, I have never made the move to get a surface since its first iteration. Should I just go for it? I was also looking at the HP SPectre X360 13" version.
Do you also know if the surface usb-c dock can take it thunderbolt input?
last question, what is that microphone that you use that you hang on your t-shirt? lol
Hi, thanks for the nice video, what about the i7 with fan? is it loud when running heavy app? I need to know it since I'm hesitating between i5 and i7, thanks!
i start college in the fall... should i get this in the i5 or go with the 4 in i7?
this one doesnt include a pen or keyboard.
love your videos ♥
Another great preview by Lisa! I am in the market for a windows convertible, and here in Luxembourg I can find the surface pro 4 (i5,8GB ram, 256 SSD) with the type cover for 1149€ (1€ =1.1$) while the new surface pro with the same configuration will cost 1449+150+100=1700€ (surface+typecover+stylus) . The question is does it worth the price difference?
My problem is how much they charge for not a lot of storage, there really shouldn't be more than about 100-300$ difference between 256GB and 1TB especially if they're using standard SSDs.
If that battery life is actual, the next iteration really only needs to improve on the IO and make the pen rechargeable, and if they care about it, improve the battery life even more. I would've loved if one day they brought a laptop dock that brought a physical keyboard and additional battery, but with the introduction of the Surface Laptop, that idea is probably null and void.
the samsung book/new windows tablet seems more appealing, but does that pen have tilt?
Great video! But when can we have a review of the Lenovo Yoga 720 13/15 inch?
Damn this reviewer knows her shit! Great video!
Very pleased I bit the bullet and bought my Surface 4 back in November. Was really worried I was doing the wrong thing with the 'anticipated' Pro 5 coming back then and all those rumours. I'll happily stick with my Pro 4...and I got a free Xbox One S in with the deal :)
Excellent first impression.
Has there been an announcement for when the LTE model will be available and the cost? I could not find the LTE configuration on the MS site.
The pressure levels above 1-2k mean almost nothing, its more a marketing word. As someone who draw, its the surface activation that's its biggest problem.
The i5 without a fan does look tasty, but I will temper myself and wait for the full review.
I think it's good they don't include the type cover and the pen in the box. Some Surface customers are going to have both of those already and it would be a waste of money.
Lisa -- great review. Would love to know if it can drive two monitors. Hard to do with sp4.
Hey Lisa, should I get the surface laptop or surface book
As a student who wants to use a Surface Pro for note taking and light web browsing what would you guys think the best option would be? The Surface Pro 4 has had some major price cuts which make it more enticing than the new Surface Pro. Ideas are welcome and encouraged ty.
The biggest difference is the battery life, so if you know you won't need it longer than 4-6 hours at a time, then I say go for the SP4. If not, then you should probably get the new one.
Dear Lisa, guys I'm considering to get a surface But I'm a bit confused, I'm starting Master and I need it as well for photo editing and maybe video editing (4K), so where is the sweetest spot ( surface or not surface option) you recommend without spending much ( I'm in a budget(very)) that I can hang with for couple years?????
So do you think I should do more waiting (save more)?? because it will be my sole machine for I while and like I said can keep up with photo and video editing but not overkill, so is it worth the extra couple hundreds?
I need to wait couple months anyway before I get something.
Thanks for making this review.
I want a computer for school, and am debating whether to get the Surface Laptop or get the Surface Pro. Which one would you recommend? I'm leaning towards the laptop since it's more lap friendly.
Andrew depends on what you want. Note that the laptop ships with Win10S (WinRT2.0) so you would want to upgrade that ($50 if done after Dec 31). For the surface you would want to buy the keyboard ($150 or $160?). The bottom line is if you want to take hand written notes. The laptop hinge does not go far at all so the touchscreen is more like a gimmick. The surface does not have that problem. However if that is something you want you should purchase the pen ($99) or just get the older Gen ($60ish?) or any other generic N-trig pen ($20-$50) if art is something you don't care about.
Great video Lisa.
Having a tough time deciding between this SP i5/8gb ram and the SP4 with i7 and 16gb ram! I'm worried about no fan i5 concept
razorseal it depends on what you are doing with it
What kind of microphone are you using? brand and everything!
Hi, would you be able to do a review on Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 370? I like your review very much!
Hi Lisa,
You are great!!! I utilized your reviews extensively in my research for laptops a few months ago
In future comparison videos, can you bring up any advantages that any Surface has due to the Hardware and Software being built by Microsoft while utilizing the Microsoft operating system, Windows 10? A friend steered me in the direction of the Surface for this very reason and I don't believe I ever saw this topic addressed in any of your videos.
All -- I got a Core i7, 8G, 256 MB Surface Pro 4 in late December for $1,200 on Amazon. Looks like that price is still valid. I am very happy with the Surface Pro 4, got it for graduate school to replace an eight-year old Apple laptop that barely worked anymore.
i am sitting here on the edge. about if i should jump on the new one, or go with pro 4.
the new one here is quiet a bit more (i7 8gig model with type cover NO pen.) is 2.256$...an the pro 4 i7 8gig with pen an cover is 1.955$..so should i maybe just stick with the pro 4?
the i7 Miix is the same price as the pro 4 here an i think the pro 4 is better product
as for the spectre x360 is bit of a diffrent type of product with its flipstyle keyboad witch i am not a fan off
beside the quiestion whas not about if i should get something else.but if i should go with the new one or stick with a pro 4
thanks for the answere :D an yeh the cheep a** in my says go for the pro 4 too
The fact that the new pen is backwards compatible with the Surface Pro 3 is exciting because that means I don't have to buy a new one to get the tilt. I don't feel like the 256, 1024, 4096 levels are a big deal as long as the pressure range is well calibrated. The Pro 3 pen felt better calibrated than the Pro 4 pen pressure wise but the Pro 4 pen's nibs were a better feel with contact against the screen. Also the eraser function on the Pro 4 pen was kind of a wash as far as pressure sensitivity the button function on the Pro 3 pen worked better for me.
If I had money to burn I'd buy the i7 iris graphics model although now the Pro 4s are gonna get dirt cheap and become a good value.
I'll probably just see how the new pen works with my SP3 before I decide to upgrade.
Hello, I am looking a quad core ultrabook for photoshop and cad applications. I want it to be reasonably priced, (around 1500 dollars), quad core i7, 512GB or above SSD, GT940 or above graphics, 16GB ram, 15 in screen in 14 in form factor, No heavier than 5 lb and at least 7 hours battery life. After searching, xps 15 met my standard, but they are too expensive and XPS's key travel is too short for me. I am still looking for new models and found lenovo Yoga 720 meet my standard. Do you want to do a review of this laptop and compare to XPS 15? Or do you have any other ideas beside XPS 15, razor blade, asus zenbook pro models? Thank you.
Lovely product. But that pricing is purely 'premium' just to make some silly statement. That core i5/*GB ram/256GB drive is expensive enough without cover or pen, but the increments for minor improvements in cpu, memory, space are plain ridiculous.
3:14 my surface pro 3 doesn't show the logo "Surface" on the right, how can I make it be displayed?
No Thunderbolt 3, no go.. I was really holding out for the new Surface Pro. Looks like I'll have to compromise and get the Asus Transformer Pro 3 instead.
Man, if only Vaio would release a second generation Canvas Z with thunderbolt 3. That would be my perfect tablet.
mam tell me ..is it work smoothly or lags occurs in ....plz tell mam
15 watt Core i5, fanless? Weird. I'm thinking they used TDP-Down to make it a 7.5W part, and it'll act pretty Core M-ey despite being 15W on paper.
Do you know what the competitors are going to be for this sp? I would love a list.
I'd buy a surface pro 4 i5 8gb 256ssd now for under $1000! more value for money for an amazing device!
I'd get the new one for one reason: battery life. Those extra hours could mean the difference between plugging in and staying mobile.
if it's true though
Kaby lake has impressive battery performance. My only regret is that they didn't include an ultra-low powered 10 series GPU yet. I have a Dell with a 1050 and a Kaby Lake i5, I get 5-7 hours playing Indie games, that's incredible. But the best part is being able to boot up the Witcher 3. If nothing else, including a thunderbolt port would be good for an external graphics dock. At the price these sell for, the lack of included features is scary
if price wasn't an issue, cause $560 is huge for me(including type cover and pen). I mean, if i really wanted battery, i'd go for a bigger screen, like surface book i5 8gb!
with the battery too! :P
Ill will stick with SP3 not sure I see the point of this refresh plus I do not agree for paying for in between devices I think its pointless. Good review btw :)