Saw these as a kid, running at full chat up Wrotham Hill, with the rolls of paper for newsprint. They came out of Reeds Paper Mill. Wrotham was a long steady climb, almost two miles in length, and yes, the exhaust DID glow. You could hear them long before you saw them!
@@paulnicholls8683 yes, well, I'm an old geezer. Lol. Actually, it was a term used by one of my tutors when an engineering apprentice. He used to say" let's see it running at full chat first". He taught us how to hand scrape bronze bearings. He was a bloody good bloke, now long passed.
@@ThePaulv12 yeah the main reasons for the design aren't problems anymore... and the achates design that runs similarly is more likely to get implemented. The commer knocker avoided having 2 cranks and gearing that you can get away with on modern engines.
With a full load the TS engines had to really work hard! I have heard stories of see the exhaust pipes glowing red at night when a fully loaded truck was pulling up a hill. Regards from Australia.
To get the best out of the ts3 engine U used the Eaton 2speed as a splitter and kept the rpms up high 1800-2700 the higher the rpms the better they went in New Zealand some operators changed the David Brown 5 speed for a zf 6 speed and operated them at 39 tons gross some of these engines obtained 100-000 miles not bad for 3-3lts
They were a very noisy engine too if I remember correctly. Much favoured as a marine engine and can still be reconditioned by a guy in Manukau city. Needed to be maintained to a high standard as timing chains and super chargers wear out quickly.
Used to love testing these the noise when pulling was fantastic!as an older apprentice working on the engines was the dirtiest blackest ever and the oil stain would not come out of your hands! If you had been mucking about the foreman would make sure you got the engine job!this ment no nooke got you ,your oily prints on her undies would not come off!!
At the end went the bloke says " Well she done it in top." Reminds me of that line in the old Ice cold in Alex film. At the end when the K9 ambulance gets them to Alexandria & John Mills slaps the K9 & says " You good old cow!"
Knocker was an Aussie name for the TS3 as the Aus/NZ variant had a different compresser on the blower with no dampener, which used to knock at idle, hence Commer Knocker. They were great engines with wonderful torque though. No need for the 10 speed transmissions of comparable trucks with diff splitters.
@@PaulBKal Depends on the application.... a 671 detroit doesn't need a splitter in a 25k lb bus even with just a 4 speed, but it would need one on a 50k semi or dump truck.
A two stroke horizontally opposed engine. Seems fairly small. Wondering at fuel power production per btu per liter output from #2 diesel? In other words useable power per cc displacement.
Actually an opposed piston engine. A horizontally opposed engine would be like a Porsche 911 with cylinders on either side of a central crankshaft, whereas an opposed piston engine has 2 pistons sharing the same cylinder. Most opposed piston engines have a crankshaft on each end, however the TS3 has a single crankshaft below the pistons, and the pistons are driven via giant rocker arms.
Ts3what a engine, just been through chat pages and the americans think they have come up with something new, 3 cylinder six piston horizontal opposed two stroke diesel.
I drove these back in the day and they were not high revving diesels that needed the revs kept up at all costs, for example like a Cummins V8 504 or 555. They might have sounded like they were screaming but there were wonderful high torque diesels that lugged like the proper diesels they were. No one who has ever driven one would have done anything different to what these guys did. Holding your gear meant maintaining speed and using the torque of the engine. It’s how you drive a diesel.
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Saw these as a kid, running at full chat up Wrotham Hill, with the rolls of paper for newsprint. They came out of Reeds Paper Mill. Wrotham was a long steady climb, almost two miles in length, and yes, the exhaust DID glow. You could hear them long before you saw them!
Full chat . Not heard that saying for a long time!
@@paulnicholls8683 yes, well, I'm an old geezer. Lol. Actually, it was a term used by one of my tutors when an engineering apprentice. He used to say" let's see it running at full chat first". He taught us how to hand scrape bronze bearings.
He was a bloody good bloke, now long passed.
Exhaust glow going up that bit of a bump means its carboned and needs a decoke.
@@glyndowning3076yes nothing like a class 37 at full chat. One of the best British locomotives to ever have been built.185lV12. 1750 bhp @750rpm
beauty mate! lovely pommie 2 stroke. revs dropping under increasing load means torque increases accordingly. nice!
Thank you mate, more to come!
No it doesn’t. It will continue to loose torque. No engine gains torque whilst loosing revs.
Somewhat like a smaller Junkers Jumo/Napier Deltic engine. A great piece of engineering. Lower NO2 than many diesels.
Opposed piston 2 stroke diesel may very well replace conventional 4 stroke diesels
Opposed piston engines can be extremely efficient
@@hopingforthebest1.9 Yes just not Commer Knockers.
@@ThePaulv12 yeah the main reasons for the design aren't problems anymore... and the achates design that runs similarly is more likely to get implemented. The commer knocker avoided having 2 cranks and gearing that you can get away with on modern engines.
Lovely old thing, Good luck to you ! All ways feel when listening to them you should be carrying 3 large sacks to collect the bits in 😆
With a full load the TS engines had to really work hard! I have heard stories of see the exhaust pipes glowing red at night when a fully loaded truck was pulling up a hill. Regards from Australia.
Only because the exhaust system was needing a decoke. Caused by using the wrong oil. They needed a high detergent based oil.
The TS3 done very well going up Haldon hill I've seen some brand new trucks not do as well even when there empty on Haldon hill.
We had a couple of Commer double knockers and some 2-stroke Foden 8-wheelers, and they made my ears ring. AECs and Guys were much more civilised.
Guy’s had Gardners
Had lots of these in NZ in the 60’s and early seventies. There is a TS4 motor restored in Auckland, one of only four or six made.
That glorious sound!
Agreed! glorious sound out of an engine from a Leyland truck.
Brought up repairing tilling Steven's 3 pots, know them well, still have a blower drive shaft,.
You must know about the ts4 then, the engine that chrysler got rid of because they wanted the useless Cummins yale engines instead.
@@edwardkennedy9919 i have seen the ts4 prototype in the leyland transport museum
@@grumpystruckshop3807 yeah there is a video on RUclips with a ts4 it sounds awesome,
Philip Nash. Knew Tilling and Steven's well. Grew up just outside Maidstone where their works were. Saw a good many of their Trojans too.
To get the best out of the ts3 engine U used the Eaton 2speed as a splitter and kept the rpms up high 1800-2700 the higher the rpms the better they went in New Zealand some operators changed the David Brown 5 speed for a zf 6 speed and operated them at 39 tons gross some of these engines obtained 100-000 miles not bad for 3-3lts
How true soon as they lose a few revs like in this video they quickly lose pulling power.
They were a very noisy engine too if I remember correctly.
Much favoured as a marine engine and can still be reconditioned by a guy in Manukau city. Needed to be maintained to a high standard as timing chains and super chargers wear out quickly.
What a beautiful noise
That's not noise - that's Commer TS music!
Used to start up backwards then governor wouldn't work then rev upand up smoke blowing out some had taps fitted to fuel pipe to stop them
Used to love testing these the noise when pulling was fantastic!as an older apprentice working on the engines was the dirtiest blackest ever and the oil stain would not come out of your hands! If you had been mucking about the foreman would make sure you got the engine job!this ment no nooke got you ,your oily prints on her undies would not come off!!
The TS sounds just like a mini Napier!
Did the drivers of these have to scrounge around in the ashtray for cigarette butts to stick in their ears like I did while driving a 8 v 71?
Different sound from the 8v More smoother.
At the end went the bloke says " Well she done it in top." Reminds me of that line in the old Ice cold in Alex film.
At the end when the K9 ambulance gets them to Alexandria & John Mills slaps the K9 & says " You good old cow!"
aww give that pug some earplugs :(
Exactly poor thing
Great video, thanks 👍
I used to run ts3 maxiload in 71 great truck working out of the frigate complex Plymouth,
The "knocker" nickname is a misnomer. They have a throaty burble rather a knock under load,
I agree - they have a real throaty burble and rumble. I have been told that the pipes glow bright at night because TS works so hard.
Knocker was an Aussie name for the TS3 as the Aus/NZ variant had a different compresser on the blower with no dampener, which used to knock at idle, hence Commer Knocker. They were great engines with wonderful torque though. No need for the 10 speed transmissions of comparable trucks with diff splitters.
@@PaulBKal Depends on the application.... a 671 detroit doesn't need a splitter in a 25k lb bus even with just a 4 speed, but it would need one on a 50k semi or dump truck.
O it’s the sound they make at idle.
@@Wingnut353some of the buses ha a 10 speed manual splitter box.
A two stroke horizontally opposed engine. Seems fairly small. Wondering at fuel power production per btu per liter output from #2 diesel? In other words useable power per cc displacement.
Actually an opposed piston engine. A horizontally opposed engine would be like a Porsche 911 with cylinders on either side of a central crankshaft, whereas an opposed piston engine has 2 pistons sharing the same cylinder. Most opposed piston engines have a crankshaft on each end, however the TS3 has a single crankshaft below the pistons, and the pistons are driven via giant rocker arms.
That's fine the dog's ears in.
If this truck was loaded he wouldn't make it over the hill. Should've changed gears @ the 1 min 50 mark. Lugged it the whole way
It wasn’t loaded though was it 🤷♂️
Ts3what a engine, just been through chat pages and the americans think they have come up with something new, 3 cylinder six piston horizontal opposed two stroke diesel.
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You are making the same mistake as most idiots,need to keep sensible rev's never let any engine struggle
yep lower revs more stress, + engine driven oil pump=less oil circulation, stay in high end of torque band
nonsense, they were wonderful torquey motors that held their revs well. All you achieved with an unnecessary downchange was slower speed.
I wondered that too. I know when I lived in England and rode 2 sroke motorbikes we kept the engine screaming
I drove these back in the day and they were not high revving diesels that needed the revs kept up at all costs, for example like a Cummins V8 504 or 555. They might have sounded like they were screaming but there were wonderful high torque diesels that lugged like the proper diesels they were. No one who has ever driven one would have done anything different to what these guys did. Holding your gear meant maintaining speed and using the torque of the engine. It’s how you drive a diesel.
Calling someone an idiot for not keeping the RPM up when you don't know these engines make peak torque at 1200 RPM...
Hope it does not blow up😂
I couldn't stand all that fucking noise of the engine going on!!! .... SCRAP IT!!!!!!....
Get a wheelchair !!!☻☻