The Maverick makes sense for a lot of people but they need to consider that they can have an extra 56 lbs of max payload capacity if they just sprung for the Raptor R.
A lot of people do use Raptors off-road actually, if you went to an off-road park or out in overlanding areas of CA/Baja NV/WY/UT etc one of the more common vehicles you will see is an F150 Raptor- for a lot of reasons
Current projections have the average MSRP of a new vehicle hitting $100k by 2033. Currently sitting right around $46k. 3 years ago the average was $33k. 40% of all USD in circulation was printed in the last 3 years. Do with this what you will.
@@BigEightiesNewWave Exhibit # 1,000,001: The absolute insanity and failure of the education system-Odds of Becoming a Collector Car that Resells for > MSRP + Compound Interest + Inflation + Holding Costs (rent value of storage, utilities, maintenance, and insurance) + Alternative Investment Opportunities (US Treasury Bonds currently doubling in value every 13 years) = Automobiles are ALWAYS a BAD Investment (Yes, someone wins the lottery, but ≠ a lottery ticket is an investment.)
TRX owner here. Living in Ohio, a super truck really is a wonderful daily. It’s comforting to know no matter what the weather conditions are/what obstacle you may face, the truck will get through no problem. I find these to be incredibly pleasant to drive slow, but REALLY put a smile on your face when you mash the gas and feel the G’s + hear the supercharged V8 howl out of the rear sliding window. Never once have I thought “this isn’t worth it” when dropping $100+ on a fill up:)
It is a miss, but honestly the bigger miss in my opinion is just how subdued these things are. I was seriously considering a base V6 Raptor until I drove one and it nearly put me to sleep. I didn't really have any issues with the powertrain, but everything else is just so soft and comfortable that it just wasn't worth it.
@@panthersfan8494 I think the NA motor would be just fine the the 5.2 is a great motor but it's supercharged so it's gonna cost more than the regular Coyote, there's two other V8 options as well now the 6.8 and 7.3 so there are options....
They don't want to sell you a "discount" Raptor. If you want the V8 they put the most expensive one with the largest margin in there. Otherwise they keep the 3.5 because they'd rather sell you that engine in a regular F-150 anyway. This is a halo product with a wildly inappropriate MSRP, why would we expect Ford to not try to squeeze every penny out of the customer who just "has to have it". I just checked the 2 dealers closest to me. They have 1 Ranger (the ranger is tarted up; not a work truck) on the lot and 0 Mavericks. There is very little interest at Ford at selling value.
Mark and Jack nailed the central issue for this iron. The manufacturers (and their dealers, especially) are pricing these vehicles out of the reach of the average American. Sure, they're capable; but who has the money? You can get financing for them but are you really going to pay a similar cost for a house on a 30 year note? For 84 months? Does corporate America think we are that stupid?
These vehicles are usually produced in low numbers and bought by the people who WANT and can afford them. The people who buy these are likely individuals who would buy a base raptor and modify it to this level. Most people who complain about price in the comment section are people who were never going to buy one of these.
I spent a week in South Dakota, part of it driving on rough roads. Never saw a Raptor on any of them, but did see a heck of a lot of Ram/Cummins working trucks. Did see a few Raptors., though, usually blasting past me at 90+ mph on I-90.
Makes a lot of sense. Ranchers use their trucks as a tool, which this is not. Sure, this will go down the dirt roads faster than anything else, but it won't haul any cattle, farm implements or a big camper.
You can't spend a whole lot of time in South Dakota without rough roads. I was shocked those guys often live out in gravel road territory. That's gonna suck in winter..
Lol. I mean, they're doing their best to test it out the way it's gonna be used. i.e. not-in-the-dirt Honestly, if they built a mini-sized rally version of the Trail, a Transit Connect RS, based on the Focus RS, I would be 💯 about it. And I don't even like Fords.
I just saw a video from The Straight Pipes. You can buy a standard cab, base model, 2WD, F-150 with the 5.0, and check an option to have a supercharger installed on it from the factory/dealer with a warranty. 700 hp and I want to say it was $45k. Let's have Savage Geese see if that is "wild" enough for them!
Where I live, the price difference between a slighlty used TRX and the raptor R is 80 grand. That is insane and I dont undertand a 200k price point, what I really want to know is...... what was the alarm Jack had to silence multiple times while they were driving.
5:34 It's a commercial vehicle (6,000lbs - 14,000lbs) so people who own small businesses can write off a whole bunch of this things price. . Which is true of any large SUV/Truck but I think that is where this makes more sense to some
@@JollyGiant19they are though, money you made and don't have to spend as taxes is free money (the amount you were gonna pay as taxes remains in your pocket)
You could just get a regular F150 with a V8, and modify it into what you want and save the cash. The Raptor is sweet, but the dealerships make getting one hell.
Ford Raptor R: For the RUclips influencer who does reaction content, dates a fitness model, and will- in exactly four months- post a video on his "B" channel of how this was broken into and stolen.
The issue Midwest issue applies to sports cars too. Flat straight roads everywhere here. Unless you make your own driving opportunities you'll never use a special purpose vehicle. I know there are offroading opportunities. Alex @ LSC does some of it with his lifted mercedes. The dunes aren't far. Sports cars you can take to a track, but there are places to play offroad if you look too.
@@clubracer6 Most of the stuff I've heard about is Northwoods Wisconsin, Michigan, or the Indiana Dunes. I'm not a off-roader though. Just things I've heard in passing.
I think you guys are overthinking who buys this truck or why it exists. It’s useful and it’s fun and it’s relatively rare because of the cost barrier to entry. Same market buying a 911.
$46K out the door before taxes near me and you’ll be getting much better gas mileage which makes way more sense in that next to nobody is going to off-road it and if any bro is buying this to impress the ladies NO woman will know much the difference between this and a FX4. There, I might have just saved some small PP bro $100K.
@@colin-nekritzI would off-road it....but I can't afford it, so I just take my 1998 Nissan Sentra offroading....you think I am joking, but I am not....I take my stock manual transmission Sentra offroading and it has survived so far....and it is also my daily driver.
@fortheloveofnoise9298 I can absolutely believe you and would add, I would have one thousand percent more respect seeing you in your truck off-roading than I would seeing a brand new Raptor R. I have a base 2017 f150 that I use for work, no keyless entry, I have roll up windows, and I absolutely love it.
i always say get a v8f150 35 to 55k depending short bed single cab or 4 dr and just boost (big turbo or big supercharger) and fuel 10 to 15k and you can make up to 1200whp or reliable 900whp. and you have a trx raptor r supercar killer!! You want fast then you get a street suspension tire setup 10k or go as extreme as you want with a offroad suspension. you are going to be faster better and cheaper than a v6 raptor or trx
I think the price was the biggest kick in the nuts... I shun the 6 cylinder raptor and wanted to see the V8. Now that the V8 exists it's unreasonably priced and markups make it a complete waste of money. The one local to me is 170K asking... it's just not worth that to me.
My favorite gas powered trucks to this day is the gen 1 raptor with the 6.2l v8 and you can pick those up for under $30k and then have a similar experience for $100k less. To your point on new off-road capable trucks I would rather spend $88k on a well equipped Rivian R1T. Technically you could buy both the gen 1 6.2l raptor and the Rivian R1T for the price of the Raptor R. Great video as always gentleman.
I just cant get over Fords pricing with the Raptor. A few years ago it was a mid $50k truck and has jumped over $25k in base price. The R would be ok for $75k. I would rather Ford made a new base Raptor with a lesser Fox shock package and a 5.0 with a Ford Performance tune for $60k. If you want more power you can get any number of superchargers and 700hp and still be under $75k. The Tremor just isnt quite enough for the $60k base they want either. It should have more lift, better shocks and 35s.
For half the price you can get a lariat f150 5.0 with stage 2 whipple at 775hp. Most people don’t take these off road anyway and you can get a 6.5’ bed which once you have it you can’t go back to the 5.5’ bed.
The skid plates, both bumpers, all 4 fenders, the hood, the tailgate, the wheels, the running boards, the tires, the T-case, the 4.10 gears, the drive modes, the adjustable exhaust, either engine w/ forged internals, the seats, the steering wheel, the shocks, the shock mounts, the coils, the axles, the entire rear and, are ALL bespoke/unique to the Raptor. You CANNOT “build a Raptor” for the price of buying one. You simply can’t.
@@MS-mr4zm Never said you could. I said most people don’t take them off-road anyway in which case all that suspension travel means nothing on the street. For the 5% of raptor owners who actually use their truck the way it was designed to it makes sense. For the rest a whipple on a standard f150 and saving 50k makes more sense.
@@Sptsmn700 as a guy on my 3rd F150 Raptor I can assure you many people take em off-road, & in terms of using something that’s purpose built? Infinitely more people use an F150 Raptor as it should be vs a corvette or GT500 or viper or Ferrari etc etc etc
So....when are you guys test driving the press fleet SWB F-150 FP700?? I feel like that would be something less stupid that you and Jack would enjoy, being that its roughly half the price of this and is still a 700hp supercharged V8 truck. Would love to see your impressions on a more old-scool style street performance truck (aka "real Lightning").
@@HerrPoopschitz absolutely - I'm sure that's not only for warranty purposes, but so that they didn't completely overshadow the Raptor in horsepower at a fraction of the price. It's already matching it, which is pretty impressive for a factory upgrade.
The regular Raptor should've gotten the Coyote imo. Makes no sense that there isn't a 5.0 Raptor when they've already made regular F-150s with the 5.0. Obviously there's CAFE regulations to consider but still.
2012 Ford Raptor msrp with a supercharged V8 was $42,975 2024 Ford Raptor R msrp is $118,590, and normal Raptor at $77,980 I love the Raptor line but the price is just insane. I constantly wonder who is out there buying things for this much. Would really like insight from the Ford marketing team who their target demographic is with the prices they're charging these days.
Hate to say it, but there’s two big issues here. 1. The 10R, it’s confused and wonky in my GT, and every account I’ve heard from other owners it’s just a 10 Speed thing. It doesn’t perform well in big heavy vehicles, like a Raptor, when pushed to this power level. For this absurd price, it should’ve had the DCT meant to go with the GT500 or some other transmission. 2. The Coyote exists, there’s nothing stopping someone from going to a dealership, getting a Lariat or XLT, and slapping a VMP or a whipple blower on their normal truck and making better power and having better engine tuning. The Predator is a fantastic engine, but I don’t think any of us want to pay Predator repair prices when something like the Coyote exists and is cheaper to service, makes power extremely easily, and has massive aftermarket support.
Not really sure if the R was truly needed. I take my regular Raptor to do high speed terrain runs all the time and it’s already scarily fast off-road. Sometimes I think the truck gives me too much confidence!! Not sure how anyone is going to handle this extra power off-road. Maybe it’s cool for street racing, but too overkill for high speed off-roading. To the second point: I’m glad they made the truck so subdued and refined. Put the truck in quiet mode and it’s a Mercedes S Class on the highway. Sometimes I just want to have a pleasant and serene experience on a long road trip and the Raptor gives me just that. The TRX and other performance vehicles are just so damn loud all the time.
MPG is NOT a concern to people who can afford to buy $100K+ vehicles. Assume you drive 15,000 miles per year and pay $4 per gallon, 20 mpg = $3000 annually while 10 mpg is $6000 annually, $3000 more a year is not a significant amount of money to people who play in this toy box.
Everything is not quite the same. They removed the Torsen LSD front differential due to the power from the new V8. Now torque up front is transferred via braking. Rear diff is still LSD with an electronic locker.
These things are dropping value quickly. My buddy ordered one when they were announced and dealer honored agreement at $136. 6 months ago you couldn’t touch on for less then $170. He totaled his and bought a new one last week at $132k.
I think one thing we have to admit to ourselves is that some things in life just aren't for "us' or attainable by the average person. Just like most of us aren't ever going to own a Ferrari, a yacht, a mansion, or be the CEO of a corporation. Its just not going to happen. Ford knows that most people can't afford the truck, but there are thousands that can, and thats all that matters to them. I don't see anything wrong with it. Its not like there aren't dozens of vehicles that are affordable by todays standards that people can get into. Of course the idea of spending 150k on a truck seems crazy. But when you have 150k to throw at something its probably a different situation.
The Maverick makes sense for a lot of people but they need to consider that they can have an extra 56 lbs of max payload capacity if they just sprung for the Raptor R.
Ha!
We need a Maverick Raptor 😂
lmao
@@fortheloveofnoiseit would sell like hotcakes!
Yes, and a Maverick Lightning as well!
The quickest way to spot a Raptor is by how many parking spaces it covers 15 feet from the store entrance.
Same way to spot a Subaru driver
@@0223Jeremyexcept they'll actually have the handicap placard for those spaces
I agree with your comment.
Whenever I see that, is releases the sleeping "Kary" (male karen) within.
@@papa_pt because most Subaru owners are handicapped
A lot of people do use Raptors off-road actually, if you went to an off-road park or out in overlanding areas of CA/Baja NV/WY/UT etc one of the more common vehicles you will see is an F150 Raptor- for a lot of reasons
Once I'm off parole I'm definitely getting one of these
LMFAO
Maybe these Raptors will have enough power to get out of the left lane now
Extremely under appreciated comment.
At the rate of price increases on vehicles, I look forward to Mark's review of the $185,000 fiat 500.
Abarth at least?
@@j.3854 Hell no! Rental Fleet spec! 😁
Current projections have the average MSRP of a new vehicle hitting $100k by 2033. Currently sitting right around $46k. 3 years ago the average was $33k. 40% of all USD in circulation was printed in the last 3 years. Do with this what you will.
Well played
No B58!? Hard pass!! 😂😂😂
Jack’s t-levels are through the roof on this one. Love it.
jack has a kink for v8s
Same. No B58. No go
The water bottle not fitting in the door panel caught me off guard. Very funny.
That made me laugh as well
This channel has matured into an authority on car reviews
One of these is for sale nearby to me for $160,000. Absolute insanity…
Not if you store it and sell it for many times that in 20 years.
@@BigEightiesNewWave Life is too short to not enjoy the stuffs you have when you are 20 years younger.
@@BigEightiesNewWave Doubtful this would beat the market in that time.
HAHAHAHAHAA , you're absolutely delusional@@BigEightiesNewWave
@@BigEightiesNewWave Exhibit # 1,000,001: The absolute insanity and failure of the education system-Odds of Becoming a Collector Car that Resells for > MSRP + Compound Interest + Inflation + Holding Costs (rent value of storage, utilities, maintenance, and insurance) + Alternative Investment Opportunities (US Treasury Bonds currently doubling in value every 13 years) = Automobiles are ALWAYS a BAD Investment (Yes, someone wins the lottery, but ≠ a lottery ticket is an investment.)
It's 700hp unleashed on city streets in the hands of rich Ken dolls. It HAS to be refined or there would be too much death and mayhem.
TRX owner here. Living in Ohio, a super truck really is a wonderful daily. It’s comforting to know no matter what the weather conditions are/what obstacle you may face, the truck will get through no problem. I find these to be incredibly pleasant to drive slow, but REALLY put a smile on your face when you mash the gas and feel the G’s + hear the supercharged V8 howl out of the rear sliding window. Never once have I thought “this isn’t worth it” when dropping $100+ on a fill up:)
"the anatomy of a Ken doll" got me good. Well done.
Im just Ken!
I agree with Mark not having the regular Coyote in this truck is a missed opportunity!!
That's what I've been saying the entire time for the TTV6 run!! Just give us an optional V8 like the 6.2 or the Coyote, they already fit!
It is a miss, but honestly the bigger miss in my opinion is just how subdued these things are. I was seriously considering a base V6 Raptor until I drove one and it nearly put me to sleep. I didn't really have any issues with the powertrain, but everything else is just so soft and comfortable that it just wasn't worth it.
I dont really get that bc coyote 5.0 V8s are everywhere, the 5.2 is a much better engine, the coyote would of been plenty of power for this tho.
@@panthersfan8494 I think the NA motor would be just fine the the 5.2 is a great motor but it's supercharged so it's gonna cost more than the regular Coyote, there's two other V8 options as well now the 6.8 and 7.3 so there are options....
They don't want to sell you a "discount" Raptor. If you want the V8 they put the most expensive one with the largest margin in there. Otherwise they keep the 3.5 because they'd rather sell you that engine in a regular F-150 anyway. This is a halo product with a wildly inappropriate MSRP, why would we expect Ford to not try to squeeze every penny out of the customer who just "has to have it".
I just checked the 2 dealers closest to me. They have 1 Ranger (the ranger is tarted up; not a work truck) on the lot and 0 Mavericks. There is very little interest at Ford at selling value.
Suggestion: All swearing beeps replaced with goose honks.
Thats artistic
Loved the snide remark he made about whistlin diesel lol. It’s a fair point.
I love the visible exterior paint on the inside of the b pillar.
Mark and Jack nailed the central issue for this iron. The manufacturers (and their dealers, especially) are pricing these vehicles out of the reach of the average American. Sure, they're capable; but who has the money? You can get financing for them but are you really going to pay a similar cost for a house on a 30 year note? For 84 months?
Does corporate America think we are that stupid?
Yes, and the average American really is that stupid.
As said in the opening of the video. People have been SCREAMING for this. Some people's entire life and identity is defined by their vehicle.
These vehicles are usually produced in low numbers and bought by the people who WANT and can afford them. The people who buy these are likely individuals who would buy a base raptor and modify it to this level. Most people who complain about price in the comment section are people who were never going to buy one of these.
Yes.
And yet it will still sell out. Clearly there are enough people with the money and desire.
Love it when Silverback Jack comes out
It may be ridiculous, but at least it still has a pedestrian / motorcycle -killing front profile.
All vehicles have that capability, fortunately.
@@3ducsBut these trucks are so MORE with that. It's delightful. 😁
@frugalfamilyliving4266 You can survive broken legs. You're less likely to survive head and chest trauma.
@frugalfamilyliving4266 point of impact guy
GRILL CLIBBINS
I spent a week in South Dakota, part of it driving on rough roads. Never saw a Raptor on any of them, but did see a heck of a lot of Ram/Cummins working trucks. Did see a few Raptors., though, usually blasting past me at 90+ mph on I-90.
Makes a lot of sense. Ranchers use their trucks as a tool, which this is not. Sure, this will go down the dirt roads faster than anything else, but it won't haul any cattle, farm implements or a big camper.
I use my f250 to work
I use my bronco to drive like a hooligan
You can't spend a whole lot of time in South Dakota without rough roads. I was shocked those guys often live out in gravel road territory. That's gonna suck in winter..
@@MikeYurbasovich yeah, I had a friend whose neighbor took care of his road with a tractor. But at least they don't salt the gravel!
They get used off-road quite a bit
I'd like to see a new test, TRX vs. RaptorR, which is better at resisting a PIT. Invite the ASP & GSP. It's RUclips GOLD 😮
Too bad the TRX bowed out as of 2024..maybe one day the redesign of TRX with the hurricane 🌀 engine and an upgraded ecoboost v6 Raptor
@@johnblack4915trx is gone because of epa fines.
It's also why this costs 150k. Like a third of that is just paying epa fines. It's autistic.
@@monarchco but it will come back in 2025 with the hurricane 🌀 engine
This truck is the reason I see so many Rangers with aftermarket yellow lights in the front grille.
Next, please test the Transit "Trail" ...... I need to see how it handles corners 🙂
Lol. I mean, they're doing their best to test it out the way it's gonna be used. i.e. not-in-the-dirt
Honestly, if they built a mini-sized rally version of the Trail, a Transit Connect RS, based on the Focus RS, I would be 💯 about it. And I don't even like Fords.
I’m getting a secondhand T-count increase off of Jack through the small screen.
I just saw a video from The Straight Pipes. You can buy a standard cab, base model, 2WD, F-150 with the 5.0, and check an option to have a supercharger installed on it from the factory/dealer with a warranty. 700 hp and I want to say it was $45k. Let's have Savage Geese see if that is "wild" enough for them!
Honest, raw, unbiased, deep dive technical and true driving impression feedback 🎉 .
BEST auto channel currently! ✌🏻✌🏻🚗🚗
For $150k it should come with a lifetime membership to a happy ending massage parlor.
It's not to expensive.. if it's to expensive, you cant afford it. It's priced perfectly
So cool to watch folks drive these around urban areas
Where I live, the price difference between a slighlty used TRX and the raptor R is 80 grand. That is insane and I dont undertand a 200k price point, what I really want to know is...... what was the alarm Jack had to silence multiple times while they were driving.
Our hood mounted camera sometimes freaks out cars safety systems
5:34 It's a commercial vehicle (6,000lbs - 14,000lbs) so people who own small businesses can write off a whole bunch of this things price.
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Which is true of any large SUV/Truck but I think that is where this makes more sense to some
Exactly!
It’s still money you have to spend. Write offs aren’t magic.
@@JollyGiant19 false
@@JollyGiant19they are though, money you made and don't have to spend as taxes is free money (the amount you were gonna pay as taxes remains in your pocket)
@JollyGiant19 they are when you owed 192k in personal taxes last year lol purchasing the r and writing it off made it worth it.
"Near Baja Trophy truck levels"
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- That statement is about as true as
"Near Beer will get you almost as drunk as regular beer" 🤣🙏
@@trollololol69 lolol exactly
Getting the TRX stolen and all that fun stuff 😂😂😂💀
You could just get a regular F150 with a V8, and modify it into what you want and save the cash. The Raptor is sweet, but the dealerships make getting one hell.
The best answer for low T
Far from it. I've bent over a few women in my r in the last month. Keep on hating sammy.
Jack needs to join a metal band with those deep meaty screams
I own one of these and it makes me feel things that my wife, kids, and girlfriend haven’t in years.
Ladyboy things?
Being 👊💩?
i think that is a you problem then.....and you should thank your GF and kid for still being with you and putting up with you....
@@somerandomfella it was a joke. I’m actually alone and very sad
@@BobbyDazzler888 Right. On. The. Nose
I thinnk Mark wants the Raptor R with the GT500s dual clutch. that would make it over the top insane
Dang, been awhile since we heard the classic “Shop” outro song! Nice hearing it again, even though the recent tunes have been great as always too
You guys forgot about all the recalls they announced a week ago for the raptor R though..
Impossible.
@@savagegeese hard to believe right I knowww 😂
Such as? Complete false bs
great video. Agree with your discussion
Id rather pay 160k for this than 160k for an xm.
Agreed
Xm?
@@timothycc711BMW SUV that is for NBA players
@povertyspec9651 oh yeah. That thing was ugly on video. Maybe in person it might look cool.
I got my dealer down to 156k. LOL This thing is more expensive than an ALPINA XB7! Ford dealers live in La La Land!
Ford Raptor R: For the RUclips influencer who does reaction content, dates a fitness model, and will- in exactly four months- post a video on his "B" channel of how this was broken into and stolen.
I knew _somebody_ would pay this much for it.
Silverback Jack in a Raptor R just feels right
The issue Midwest issue applies to sports cars too. Flat straight roads everywhere here. Unless you make your own driving opportunities you'll never use a special purpose vehicle. I know there are offroading opportunities. Alex @ LSC does some of it with his lifted mercedes. The dunes aren't far. Sports cars you can take to a track, but there are places to play offroad if you look too.
Any places in Northern Illinois to go off-reading in a truck?
@@clubracer6 Most of the stuff I've heard about is Northwoods Wisconsin, Michigan, or the Indiana Dunes. I'm not a off-roader though. Just things I've heard in passing.
@@ruleslawyer thanks! Road racing for 3 decades but would like to try a more family friendly/involving car activity.
@@clubracer6 TSD rally can be fun. You don’t need a special vehicle and it is around the area more.
@@ruleslawyer I should try one some day, but it’s never interested me. SCCA, PCA and many of that other clubs have them and have always promoted them.
I like how the rear-end on this TEST VEHICLE is already rusty as hell. Is pre purchase corrosion a new factory option?
Welcome to Ford products. You new? 😅
Its a monthly subscription add on.
"The anatomy of a Ken doll." 😂
I think you guys are overthinking who buys this truck or why it exists. It’s useful and it’s fun and it’s relatively rare because of the cost barrier to entry. Same market buying a 911.
How about durability? Will it last more than 80,000 miles? That is about all the last generation could achieve. See them in the shops a lot.
The ultimate Douchewagon.
My guess is you don't haul or tow anything? which probably means you don't have any money.
@@jayfxdx Found the douche
@@jayfxdx That's what diesels are for.
@@THX5000 they also ride like garbage and are terrible off road.
Go to bed
I have a 17 supercab Raptor, and love it still today. Would get a Raptor R in a second if I had the money....
You can get a basic f150 with the same supercharged v8 with 700 horsepower for 50k.
$46K out the door before taxes near me and you’ll be getting much better gas mileage which makes way more sense in that next to nobody is going to off-road it and if any bro is buying this to impress the ladies NO woman will know much the difference between this and a FX4. There, I might have just saved some small PP bro $100K.
@@colin-nekritzI would off-road it....but I can't afford it, so I just take my 1998 Nissan Sentra offroading....you think I am joking, but I am not....I take my stock manual transmission Sentra offroading and it has survived so far....and it is also my daily driver.
@fortheloveofnoise9298 I can absolutely believe you and would add, I would have one thousand percent more respect seeing you in your truck off-roading than I would seeing a brand new Raptor R. I have a base 2017 f150 that I use for work, no keyless entry, I have roll up windows, and I absolutely love it.
In Canada it's 200k + luxury tax + sales tax = 246,000$ 😮😂
Gotta pay for Turdeaus spending and welfare somehow
It’s fun watching reviews on vehicles that only rich, or at the very least, those who are very comfortable financially, can afford.
Love this truck. Wish it was actually affordable for more folks. Hell even the ecoboost raptor is ridiculously priced.
i always say get a v8f150 35 to 55k depending short bed single cab or 4 dr and just boost (big turbo or big supercharger) and fuel 10 to 15k and you can make up to 1200whp or reliable 900whp. and you have a trx raptor r supercar killer!! You want fast then you get a street suspension tire setup 10k or go as extreme as you want with a offroad suspension. you are going to be faster better and cheaper than a v6 raptor or trx
I think the price was the biggest kick in the nuts... I shun the 6 cylinder raptor and wanted to see the V8. Now that the V8 exists it's unreasonably priced and markups make it a complete waste of money. The one local to me is 170K asking... it's just not worth that to me.
The price is bonkers!
Dodge pickup with viper v10 isn't worth that much now. Raptor R prices won't appreciate with age
A Ridiculous vehicle in every way, but I love that it exists! 😂❤
My favorite gas powered trucks to this day is the gen 1 raptor with the 6.2l v8 and you can pick those up for under $30k and then have a similar experience for $100k less. To your point on new off-road capable trucks I would rather spend $88k on a well equipped Rivian R1T. Technically you could buy both the gen 1 6.2l raptor and the Rivian R1T for the price of the Raptor R. Great video as always gentleman.
I'd prefer a NA 5.2L as the base Raptor. that extra TQ/HP over the 5.0 would be enough for most people.
Nah that's only 4% more displacement. They could have made a DOHC version of 7.3 engine, THAT would be beastly.
This seems like a reasonable vehicle.
If you live in a high elevation location, like Colorado, 6000 ft elevation, wouldn't the V-6 turbo do a better job where the oxygen is thinner?
This one is also forced induction so I don’t think it would be a problem
my hair grew back, T levels spiked, and the applebees waitress just gave me free refills of fries after she saw me watching this Vid.
I just cant get over Fords pricing with the Raptor. A few years ago it was a mid $50k truck and has jumped over $25k in base price. The R would be ok for $75k. I would rather Ford made a new base Raptor with a lesser Fox shock package and a 5.0 with a Ford Performance tune for $60k. If you want more power you can get any number of superchargers and 700hp and still be under $75k. The Tremor just isnt quite enough for the $60k base they want either. It should have more lift, better shocks and 35s.
Woah. Ford finally evolved from wagon technology with this third gen, and stopped using leaf springs?! Amazing. Welcome to 1910, Ford! You did it!
The sad thing about the end of this, my TRX did get stolen while it was at the dealership getting maintenance work done. 😑
Seriously?😅
@@povertyspec9651 yep! 😑
If my bed was made and wrapped with money all over I would buy one 😂
Excellent timing. Mine’s being built right now.
@6:13; I am glad you asked, Mark. People ask the EK Echo how to purchase these vehicles; that's how.
“Ahhh he wants to go off road!”-Ace Ventura PET DETECTIVE
For half the price you can get a lariat f150 5.0 with stage 2 whipple at 775hp. Most people don’t take these off road anyway and you can get a 6.5’ bed which once you have it you can’t go back to the 5.5’ bed.
The skid plates, both bumpers, all 4 fenders, the hood, the tailgate, the wheels, the running boards, the tires, the T-case, the 4.10 gears, the drive modes, the adjustable exhaust, either engine w/ forged internals, the seats, the steering wheel, the shocks, the shock mounts, the coils, the axles, the entire rear and, are ALL bespoke/unique to the Raptor.
You CANNOT “build a Raptor” for the price of buying one. You simply can’t.
@@MS-mr4zm Never said you could. I said most people don’t take them off-road anyway in which case all that suspension travel means nothing on the street. For the 5% of raptor owners who actually use their truck the way it was designed to it makes sense. For the rest a whipple on a standard f150 and saving 50k makes more sense.
@@Sptsmn700 as a guy on my 3rd F150 Raptor I can assure you many people take em off-road, & in terms of using something that’s purpose built? Infinitely more people use an F150 Raptor as it should be vs a corvette or GT500 or viper or Ferrari etc etc etc
So....when are you guys test driving the press fleet SWB F-150 FP700?? I feel like that would be something less stupid that you and Jack would enjoy, being that its roughly half the price of this and is still a 700hp supercharged V8 truck. Would love to see your impressions on a more old-scool style street performance truck (aka "real Lightning").
The whipple tune is super conservative.
@@HerrPoopschitz absolutely - I'm sure that's not only for warranty purposes, but so that they didn't completely overshadow the Raptor in horsepower at a fraction of the price. It's already matching it, which is pretty impressive for a factory upgrade.
Jack does make a good point. It would be great to put a Coyote engine in it.
The regular Raptor should've gotten the Coyote imo. Makes no sense that there isn't a 5.0 Raptor when they've already made regular F-150s with the 5.0. Obviously there's CAFE regulations to consider but still.
@@flurpoid true. Wouldn't surprise me if it were regulations like you mentioned
I wonder if the tail lights are going to be even more expensive to fix. As if 5.5k per tail light isn't enough.
a little body damage on a rivian is 40k to fix
I’m ready for 2024
I love this thing but there's no way in hell I would ever own one.
get it used
@@andoniadesand have to spend the same amount of money later in rapairs? No thanks
@@CarlishoF-150s and cam phasers, name a better technician cash cow 😂
Good. Invest your money.
@@aprturthese engines don't have phaser issues... only on the ecoboost 2018-2021 models. Go to bed
2012 Ford Raptor msrp with a supercharged V8 was $42,975
2024 Ford Raptor R msrp is $118,590, and normal Raptor at $77,980
I love the Raptor line but the price is just insane. I constantly wonder who is out there buying things for this much. Would really like insight from the Ford marketing team who their target demographic is with the prices they're charging these days.
Wait, you're saying that I'll get car jacked more if I buy the TRX? Charles Bronson has entered the chat...
Hate to say it, but there’s two big issues here.
1. The 10R, it’s confused and wonky in my GT, and every account I’ve heard from other owners it’s just a 10 Speed thing. It doesn’t perform well in big heavy vehicles, like a Raptor, when pushed to this power level. For this absurd price, it should’ve had the DCT meant to go with the GT500 or some other transmission.
2. The Coyote exists, there’s nothing stopping someone from going to a dealership, getting a Lariat or XLT, and slapping a VMP or a whipple blower on their normal truck and making better power and having better engine tuning. The Predator is a fantastic engine, but I don’t think any of us want to pay Predator repair prices when something like the Coyote exists and is cheaper to service, makes power extremely easily, and has massive aftermarket support.
The dct overheats hot lapping a gt500, why do people think it would work in this monstrosity?
In a perfect world yes but there is zero aftermarket tuning for 23 Ford trucks yet.. much less 24's.
@@crgregful Lund can tune 23 F150’s
@@169abr with a 22 ecu.. but not with a 23
How could I have missed this video!? “Ken Doll Anatomy” LOL
Not really sure if the R was truly needed. I take my regular Raptor to do high speed terrain runs all the time and it’s already scarily fast off-road. Sometimes I think the truck gives me too much confidence!! Not sure how anyone is going to handle this extra power off-road. Maybe it’s cool for street racing, but too overkill for high speed off-roading.
To the second point: I’m glad they made the truck so subdued and refined. Put the truck in quiet mode and it’s a Mercedes S Class on the highway. Sometimes I just want to have a pleasant and serene experience on a long road trip and the Raptor gives me just that. The TRX and other performance vehicles are just so damn loud all the time.
I watch you every single day....
Ford got those seats at the Big n Tall section at Recaro
MPG is NOT a concern to people who can afford to buy $100K+ vehicles. Assume you drive 15,000 miles per year and pay $4 per gallon, 20 mpg = $3000 annually while 10 mpg is $6000 annually, $3000 more a year is not a significant amount of money to people who play in this toy box.
I've got 11,000 miles on my Raptor R... it's been worth every penny.. pretty wild to have a truck that 0-60 times rival my GT3RS.
Meathead Masterpiece
Brodozer! (added to my lexicon...lol).
@@makeyourmark00 lol same
If they put that front dash on the expedition they would sell so many more Expo’s.
It sounds like the issue with the TRX and RaptoR is that they're not street trucks, and the street is relatively safe compared to off-road vehicles
Thanks!
cartel boys are gonna love this thing
Everything is not quite the same. They removed the Torsen LSD front differential due to the power from the new V8. Now torque up front is transferred via braking. Rear diff is still LSD with an electronic locker.
These things are dropping value quickly. My buddy ordered one when they were announced and dealer honored agreement at $136. 6 months ago you couldn’t touch on for less then $170. He totaled his and bought a new one last week at $132k.
Lol, dropping value by selling for 20k more than msrp? That's not dropping value, that's dealers trying to get you.
@@burgerbandit3646 that’s a falling market demand
3 months later- now there back up. One to be found in the country and its for sale at 191k
@@crgregful you need an eBay account man
I think one thing we have to admit to ourselves is that some things in life just aren't for "us' or attainable by the average person. Just like most of us aren't ever going to own a Ferrari, a yacht, a mansion, or be the CEO of a corporation. Its just not going to happen. Ford knows that most people can't afford the truck, but there are thousands that can, and thats all that matters to them. I don't see anything wrong with it. Its not like there aren't dozens of vehicles that are affordable by todays standards that people can get into.
Of course the idea of spending 150k on a truck seems crazy. But when you have 150k to throw at something its probably a different situation.
$500 tuner and the TRX goes into 2wd
But it’s still a euro wagon, the raptor is and has been the the better product.
I would be embarrassed to drive something like this, but then again, I don't have the anatomy of a Ken doll.
LOL. The only place I saw a "Raptor" was the mall parking lot. It had a mirror shine to it.
Do a 2024 next and let us know of all the changes
You have to be crazy to buy a truck for that kind of money. Even if money is no object.
Is the R for "rape" at the dealership?
Lmao! What happened at 2:34 Jack didn't time those berms right
He didnt know where he was going and my back suffered his fools errand.