The Scouring of the Tolkien Society

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  • @Grochlink
    @Grochlink 3 года назад +3031

    "What can men do against such reckless cringe?"

    • @thegeneralmitch
      @thegeneralmitch 3 года назад +280

      "Ride out and meme them."

    • @Arcticmaster1190
      @Arcticmaster1190 3 года назад +90

      At this point, take their tactics and get them tossed out of these fandoms. I wouldn’t normally be advocating for it if it didn’t work.

    • @GeneralProfessor
      @GeneralProfessor 3 года назад +110

      Ride out with me. Ride out and gatekeep them.

    • @Access.Denied
      @Access.Denied 3 года назад +92

      @@GeneralProfessor You have my keyboard.

    • @alexl6644
      @alexl6644 3 года назад +43

      @@wrongthinker843 What method, Brother? I fear the Life Eater virus would not suffice, for the roots of heresy grow ever deep.

  • @T3nch1
    @T3nch1 3 года назад +2725

    *If Tolkien didn't write it himself, then it is NOT canon and can be safely ignored. If Tolkien didn't explicitly declare something he didn't write as canon, then it is NOT canon and can be safely ignored.*

    • @GnosisZX
      @GnosisZX 3 года назад +70

      Yup same any great ip really

    • @siemino7444
      @siemino7444 3 года назад +72

      Thats the way shit goes. Fuck the new and fuck the pinko-swine flu

    • @quatreraberbawinner2628
      @quatreraberbawinner2628 3 года назад +39

      until the original works become a threat too their ego, and must be eliminated

    • @EnsignRedshirtRicky
      @EnsignRedshirtRicky 3 года назад +87

      So by extension we now just ignore the Tolkien Society as fake experts and pandering fools.

    • @konstantinoskalavrezos5273
      @konstantinoskalavrezos5273 3 года назад +15

      Amen

  • @evarjantz222
    @evarjantz222 3 года назад +599

    "our list of allies grows thin..." i always liked that line

    • @VidkunQL
      @VidkunQL 3 года назад +8

      Was that line in the book? Somehow it doesn't sound like Tolkien. A man of books, a man with a favourite fountain pen, knows that a list becomes _short,_ not _thin._ A small thing, certainly, but it "cuts my ear" as the Russians say.

    • @feralcyborggaming1531
      @feralcyborggaming1531 3 года назад +8

      My favorite:
      "What did they steal from you?"
      "My... PRECIOUS! DAHHHH!"

    • @jeffhreid
      @jeffhreid 3 года назад +6

      It shows Elrond’s sardonic humor

    • @jeffhreid
      @jeffhreid 3 года назад +15

      I really dislike the cult of woke

    • @admthrawnuru
      @admthrawnuru 3 года назад +3

      @@VidkunQL it's not in the council of Elrond that I can find. There are a couple of places when it says Elrond describes something without the actual dialog, so maybe it does in there, but the line itself does not appear to be from Tolkien unless it was borrowed from somewhere else

  •  3 года назад +334

    As a man who grew up on the tales of Tolkien, and who deeply admires not only his works, but the man himself, this makes me deeply, deeply angry. These little, shifty, yellow eyed people will stop at nothing to trash everything that is good and decent on this earth.
    "A witless worm have you become. Therefore be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I have not passed through fire and death to bandy words with a serving-man till the lightning falls." -- The Two Towers.

    • @LongStar117
      @LongStar117 3 года назад +5

      "FOOL OF A TOOK!"

    • @LongStar117
      @LongStar117 3 года назад +4

      @@SeasoningTheObese I see you mentioning violence. Does your name have anything to do with cannibalism?

    • @buzzfiend
      @buzzfiend 3 года назад +1

      @@LongStar117 mmnomnom gotta get me some chubby blubby pancakes with cinnamon.

  • @RushGarcia
    @RushGarcia 3 года назад +131

    If Narnia gets hit with this scourge I'm getting my shotgun.

    • @AnnaMarianne
      @AnnaMarianne 3 года назад +35

      They hate Narnia because of the Christianity and the nationalism, so the changes are they will keep away from it.

    • @RushGarcia
      @RushGarcia 3 года назад +8

      @@AnnaMarianne Ah u rite.

    • @CopturGobot
      @CopturGobot 3 года назад +23

      @@fabriziopedani5315 Aslan will just be a black Lioness lesbian

    • @AnnaMarianne
      @AnnaMarianne 3 года назад +8

      @@fabriziopedani5315 Well, damn. I spoke too soon.

    • @Nelo_Wolf
      @Nelo_Wolf 3 года назад +7

      I'm scared. The possibility is always there

  • @brycenlanager1216
    @brycenlanager1216 3 года назад +403

    They have ironically proved Tolkien’s method right.
    Evil can’t create something so it just corrupts the good.

    • @DaDitka
      @DaDitka 3 года назад +32

      This is a good point. Evil is the absence of good. When you remove the objective good from something like this and change the definition of what good is, this is where it becomes evil.

    • @Danaluni59
      @Danaluni59 3 года назад +12

      That’s what critical theory is all about, portraying Western Culture as “flawed and problematic” so it can be replaced with corrupt Marxist totalitarian policies.

    • @tokusatsukeyblade797
      @tokusatsukeyblade797 3 года назад +7

      @@Danaluni59, ironically, most of the socialist and communistic crap the cringe left pushes doesn’t even line up with Marxism, since Marx himself denounced socialist and communist ideologies and originally created Marxism to be as anti-socialist and anti-communist as humanly possible.
      Most of these idiots are just proclaiming they are Marxists, when they don’t have a clue on what real Marxism is even about. It just shows how ignorant, naive, and outright stupid the leftists really are.

    • @ivandovranic5834
      @ivandovranic5834 3 года назад +1

      I agree, with one small but salient correction; they have *un* - ironically proved him right.

  • @jimkid1392
    @jimkid1392 3 года назад +135

    Rewriting a famous authors work is more evil than censorship.

    • @djokealtena2538
      @djokealtena2538 3 года назад +2

      Which is why you grab that all in one copy and beat the living daylight out of them, till sense and reason start showing itself again.

    • @jimkid1392
      @jimkid1392 3 года назад +5

      @@djokealtena2538 At this point I think they want that to happen so they can scream, "Look! I'm being attacked! Surely that means that I was right!"

    • @shaneofthehillpeople
      @shaneofthehillpeople 3 года назад +9

      It's all they can do. They do not have the talent to create something themselves, and they don't have enough power to erase it from existence. All they can hope to do is muddy it to the point where it loses popularity, or reforge it into a weapon they can use. They are Morgoth, figuratively speaking. And they would see the irony of it, if they weren't neck deep in it.

  • @DonMeaker
    @DonMeaker 3 года назад +257

    They must be awful racists, because they are trashing JRR Tolkien, an African.

    • @techwizpc4484
      @techwizpc4484 3 года назад +5

      Was he born there? Or did he just live there?

    • @LionClanChief
      @LionClanChief 3 года назад +2

      He was British not African actually.

    • @LionClanChief
      @LionClanChief 3 года назад +35

      @@techwizpc4484 he left South Africa at the age of 4 I believe.

    • @LionClanChief
      @LionClanChief 3 года назад +1

      @AztecAmerican he was just born.there he is still a British man.

    • @Steven9567
      @Steven9567 3 года назад +7

      @@LionClanChief a human born in a stable doesn't make a horse as they say

  • @rubies200
    @rubies200 3 года назад +60

    Tolkien was a Traditional Catholic, too.
    SJWs: *hiss hiss* *makes child sacrifice to Baphomet*

    • @thespyingeyeofmordor
      @thespyingeyeofmordor 3 года назад +3

      Exactly this, which is why forces at the Vatican want to destroy the TLM and traditionalist Catholics.

    • @DarthSathion
      @DarthSathion 3 года назад

      Gnostic.

    • @immasword
      @immasword 3 года назад +3

      shhh they call those abortions now

    • @TheNamelessScholarOfficial
      @TheNamelessScholarOfficial 3 года назад +7

      SJW's are putting on a facade. They actually *HATE* Tolkien.
      The actually believe Tolkien was a Reactionary.
      And I would like to remind you that "Reactionary" is a derogatory term used almost exclusively by the Alt-Left. (The Actual Communists)

    • @lunalee3021
      @lunalee3021 3 года назад +3

      That's why his work was so GOOD. Now go read Thomas Aquinas.

  • @derezatron
    @derezatron 3 года назад +46

    "Our list of allies grows thin". All I have to say to the community is this; "You have my sword".

    • @freezysyahz
      @freezysyahz 3 года назад +8

      And my bow!

    • @innocentsmith122
      @innocentsmith122 3 года назад +7

      AND MY AXE

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +3

      Wholesome AF.

    • @thespyingeyeofmordor
      @thespyingeyeofmordor 3 года назад +4

      WE ARE CALLED TO WAR!

    • @erynlasgalen1949
      @erynlasgalen1949 3 года назад

      And my pen, which is mightier than the sword. Actually, the world of Tolkien is very diverse. It has black people in it, and it has Asian type people in it. Tolkien said little about their cultures, but he did want to establish a mythology to inspire other writers and artists. There are plenty of blank spots on the tapestry to fill in. Write about those 'swarthy' people, write about those Easterlings. Hell, write aboit those Elves who remained back at Cuivienen, there must have been a few. Their culture would be quite a bit different from that of the Noldor. It's all fanfiction, even if the movies and the TV series are getting paid for it. If I don't want to poison my view of Arda, I won't watch.

  • @POIUYTREWQ62
    @POIUYTREWQ62 3 года назад +310

    Crazy: "LotR didn't have enough gay people, so it is problematic."
    Me: "Because it wasn't important in the grand scheme of things. Everything in the book has purpose."
    Crazy: "Are you saying gay people aren't important? Are you staying gay people need a reason to exist?"
    Me: "........"

    • @thehavoccompany-a3
      @thehavoccompany-a3 3 года назад +53

      _"Yes, and I'm tired of pretending they don't."_

    • @albussr1589
      @albussr1589 3 года назад +19

      I'm struggeling with my sexual Identity and boy I couldn't care less if they are Gay People in there

    • @RabuHina
      @RabuHina 3 года назад +8

      @@dimitriwarchief301 don't forget the foaming at the mouth and incoherent noises and contortions of the limbs xD

    • @Steven9567
      @Steven9567 3 года назад +15

      me: behaviors or sexual preferences are NOT immutable characteristics so there is no such thing as gay people

    • @Alexander_Kale
      @Alexander_Kale 3 года назад +11

      @@Steven9567 Every population group across the planet, once examined in regards to this, show the same ratio of hetero- to homo sexuality among its members.
      You cannot "cure the gay", neither can you "cure the hetero" or learn to be be gay. Your sexuality is decided for you by brain development in the womb. It is something you are born with. It is something that remains with you throughout your life. It is, in fact, immutable.

  • @GnosisZX
    @GnosisZX 3 года назад +224

    A Star Wars quote with some tolkien bits sums this nicely
    “You were the chosen one! You were supposed to destroy Sauron not join him! Save the world not leave it in darkness!”
    What the hell has happened!? This society was supposed to defend the purity of Tolkien’s work not fuck the man over
    We need a crusade to scour these Sauron worshippers

    • @thibaldus3
      @thibaldus3 3 года назад +14

      Entryism. Look it up.

    • @techwizpc4484
      @techwizpc4484 3 года назад +7

      @Bull Moose If only one of them would at least treasure his work. I bet none of them are gifted writers. If one of them is born as a writer, perhaps there is a chance that that individual will see the importance of preserving the original works.

    • @some1350
      @some1350 3 года назад +13

      Well they did it to Stan Lee and he was alive. On to the next one.

    • @albussr1589
      @albussr1589 3 года назад +2

      Time to assemble the Fellowship

    • @lordfrostwind3151
      @lordfrostwind3151 3 года назад +5

      *Readies Exterminatus button* Let the Emperor account in all things.

  • @enforcerridley158
    @enforcerridley158 3 года назад +613

    Tolkien fans need to push back hard on all of this this big time, as hard as you can.
    A few years ago when the woke crazies tried to pass off Samus Aran as transgender, the Metroid Community pushed back against then so hard that the woke crazies actually bent the knee and apologized, retracted their bullshit, and never returned.
    Protecting your hobbies against the woke is not only possible, it's been done before.

    • @tempestvenator9809
      @tempestvenator9809 3 года назад +72

      Lets Deus Vult these Sauronites back to the pits they crawled out of and seal the entrance!

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад +76

      Learn from what happened to comics, Star Wars, Star Trek, and D&D.
      Gatekeep.

    • @cooltrainervaultboy-39
      @cooltrainervaultboy-39 3 года назад +69

      But... But... That's gatekeeping! And... And... That's istaphobic!
      Well if you stopped trying to plant weeds in our rose garden, we wouldn't have to gatekeep.

    • @thespyingeyeofmordor
      @thespyingeyeofmordor 3 года назад

      @@tempestvenator9809
      Tol Acharn!

    • @Facade953
      @Facade953 3 года назад +24

      I had no idea that something like that happened. If only Star Wars and Marvel fans had done the same...😧

  • @HeelvsBabyface
    @HeelvsBabyface 3 года назад +880

    Ok long shot here but any chance of you doing so LotR Lore videos?

    • @jdc6274
      @jdc6274 3 года назад +78

      Yes please. That would be a great chance for JSG to flex his Tolkien knowledge on these hacks.

    • @sylvarogre5469
      @sylvarogre5469 3 года назад +15

      I would enjoy that as well. Though there are a couple really good channels that specialize in Tolkien lore. I think JSG could collaborate with them to create some really top notch counters to this wave of deconstructionist garbage.

    • @adriandragos2928
      @adriandragos2928 3 года назад +13

      'In 1969. Ladies'... 'muh rePreSenTATioN' I think someone watched too many of your videos, Az xD. JustSomeGuy is starting to sound like you.

    • @lonewolfgames7779
      @lonewolfgames7779 3 года назад +11

      I definitely would love to hear your knowledge of the lore

    • @Balevolt
      @Balevolt 3 года назад +15

      So JSG is gonna be the Arch of Lord of the Rings....I would watch it

  • @nidesuoni-channel8938
    @nidesuoni-channel8938 3 года назад +125

    "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this woke insanity!" Treebeard, probably. Tolkien is basically the godfather of pretty much all high fantasy that has come out in the past 70 years. From the base of the tree, countless other worlds across nearly every medium (books, movies, video games, tabletop, anime, etc) have been spawned based at least loosely on the mythos he recast and forged from various: Anglo-Saxon, Norse, Celtic, etc legends. While the pattern of the woke cultural pandem1c reaching Middle-Earth is hardly surprising, it is depressing since Tolkien is at the core of most escapist fantasies. SJWs: 99+ Culture Warriors: 0. Seriously, fighting a purely defensive war for years, what have we really preserved? How many more beautiful universes must burn before wokeness destroys itself?

    • @Connor.SG-1Ring
      @Connor.SG-1Ring 3 года назад +10

      The works of Tolkien was given over to lesser men."

    • @nidesuoni-channel8938
      @nidesuoni-channel8938 3 года назад +3

      @@Xbalanque84 That's likely correct. There's really only so much "being the better person" can accomplish, which is not much at best.

    • @MoonshineGraffiti
      @MoonshineGraffiti 3 года назад +2

      They've been working hard to collapse the house of high fantasy. D&D, warhammer...all the pillars are falling. Now they've come for the cornerstone.

    • @ahdhwjdue8362
      @ahdhwjdue8362 3 года назад

      @@MoonshineGraffiti :p Tolkien is a part of the cornerstone but not the base of it
      The base is what he drew off of while making it folklore and mythology as well as Shakespeare
      History is also a good foundation as well his influence from the great war and medieval history is present too
      If they got rid of all folklore mythology and history then all the cornerstone would be gone.

    • @simulterious9767
      @simulterious9767 3 года назад +2

      What can men do against such reckless hate? This evil has been spreading for years, like a plague. IT infects almost everything, and the infected will either survive it or die. And now, they have come for Tolkien. If there is hope, I'm blind to it. If there is light, I can still only see darkness.

  • @slinkerdeer
    @slinkerdeer 3 года назад +379

    "You need to look at the screen" Honestly, your track history of calling out woke nonsense has given me more than enough confidence in your abilities to trust your words without looking at a screen. Still doesn't bring any comfort a dead man who had an amazing story telling ability is being shat on by people who clearly have nothing better to do with their lives

    • @SuperEndiku
      @SuperEndiku 3 года назад +24

      These people are an invading army, hellbent on destruction. They are waging a religious war and this is conquered territory to despoil. Don't think these are bored people with nothing to do. They know exactly what they are doing.

    • @slinkerdeer
      @slinkerdeer 3 года назад

      @@shadowpathfinder7723 What part of that take do you think is the exception?

    • @primmakinsofis614
      @primmakinsofis614 3 года назад

      @@SuperEndiku _These people are an invading army, hellbent on destruction._
      Below is an Archer meme a couple of years ago. Now I wonder if it will stay just a meme.
      "Do you want right-wing death squads? Because this is how you get right-wing death squads."

    • @barbedwire83
      @barbedwire83 3 года назад

      @@shadowpathfinder7723 What the hell are you even talking about? Just how did his words bring this concept of pedophilic affinity to your addled mind? I truly pity you if this is what you see in the words of other people...

    • @rhyscallinan3727
      @rhyscallinan3727 3 года назад

      @@shadowpathfinder7723 I agree with JSG on that one. It's still a bad film, and shouldn't be made. JSG even says that, but he knows it wasn't meant to be pedophillic in nature.

  • @samkershaw8474
    @samkershaw8474 3 года назад +56

    "I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Tolkien

  • @earganon
    @earganon 3 года назад +252

    If only Christopher was still here to protect his father's work. Swiftly after his death the vultures came.

    • @comicdude1996
      @comicdude1996 3 года назад +11

      Maybe Christopher should have tought his kids and family better to stand up against this.

    • @garreonlefay6703
      @garreonlefay6703 3 года назад +1

      isnt his sister still around?

    • @tobbcittobbcit8899
      @tobbcittobbcit8899 2 года назад +7

      @@garreonlefay6703 even if she is he was the one who truly cared about his father's work

    • @tobbcittobbcit8899
      @tobbcittobbcit8899 2 года назад +1

      Priscilla tolkien died 28th February 2022

    • @NTJedi
      @NTJedi 2 года назад

      @@garreonlefay6703 It's unfortunate but Tolkien did not leave anyone around to guard his great stories and legacy. The people in charge of the intellectual property of JRR Tolkien only care about money. The works of JRR Tolkien is just like the pyramids of Egypt, where the crooks, thieves and cutthroats stealing from the tombs desecrating the works of art.

  • @michaelmcclure7434
    @michaelmcclure7434 3 года назад +26

    I just finished reading Tolkien's, 'The Children Of Hurin', which takes place during the First Age and is as grim a tale as any Islandic Saga. I mention this because there are so many potentially fascinating topics one could write about Tolkien, his work and influences - and instead we get this. Sigh. With you I hope a few folks at this Society meeting will defend the man from this toxic cesspool. I've been reading you for about a month and really appreciate the logic of your arguments. I now subscribe.

    • @gurugoat8298
      @gurugoat8298 3 года назад

      That's damn near my favorite Tolkien book; excellent choice!

  • @filipvadas7602
    @filipvadas7602 3 года назад +24

    This is the equivalent of someone letting you into their house and you redecorating when they're not around. Its creepy and insulting.

    • @erynlasgalen1949
      @erynlasgalen1949 3 года назад +3

      That's what Diana Gabaldon said. But I always redecorate people's houses in my head without telling them. And I'll take ideas I like and use them in my own home.

  • @joshwent
    @joshwent 3 года назад +200

    What aggravates me the most about all the talk revolving around "diversity" in Tolkien, is that his world is VASTLY more diverse than our own. Multiple ACTUALLY DIFFERENT RACES of beings with eons of history. Their own cultures, languages, etc. And the fascinating histories of how those races interacted through the ages.
    Yet these people think that our race (the ONE RACE of humans that just happen to come in different shades of brown) are somehow so important that we need to apply our own cultural contexts onto his own, intricate, personal ones.
    They can't see the dumb forest for the stupid trees.

    • @MadRobexe
      @MadRobexe 3 года назад +6

      The jokes on you though if you dont actually think that human biodiversity in the real world is exactly as diverse as it the lord of the rings.
      There is no human Race, there is only the human species and the different races of mankind. See? We alreddy have plenty of diversity.

    • @MultiCommissar
      @MultiCommissar 3 года назад +14

      Californian cultural imperialism.

    • @matthewcoyle4131
      @matthewcoyle4131 3 года назад +26

      @@MadRobexe Bruh there are creatures with pointy ears that live for hundreds of years and sleep while running, wide midgets that grow beards when they're children regardless of sex, and creatures who can basically just sew their heads back on if it's not cut off all the way and can replace body parts with scrap iron.
      Humans are all the same species. Just because there are divergences along locations doesn't mean that at most all you are gonna have eventually are sub groups of the same species. All healthy humans can mate and potentially produce healthy human offspring. No amount of cultural seclusion and divergence is gonna produce humans who can be as wildly different as an elf or an uruk hai are.

    • @daveharrison4697
      @daveharrison4697 3 года назад +15

      @@matthewcoyle4131 this is something that's been going on with Star Trek and Star Wars recently that boils my piss... You have multiple sentient species that evolved on different worlds, with different atmospheric composition, different spectrums of solar radiation, different biochemistries, hell different isotopic rations FFS... (and as an aside if you don't know how important that is, there is a RUclips video I can't be bothered to search out right now by the author of the scientific paper that tested both human and rat abilities to taste heavy water and proved that mammal tongues can distinguish between quantum states of bloody water molecules!) And yet in these new chapters of classic sci-fi that have been added in the last few years, human skin colour and sexuality are apparently all that ever needs t be talked about...

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад +8

      @@MadRobexe Except, biologically, we're one species, one race. Our gene pool is very shallow compared to other mammals - the physiological differences within our species are, by comparison to other cosmopolitan mammals, rather small.

  • @AscendantStoic
    @AscendantStoic 3 года назад +90

    This ladies and gentlemen is EXACTLY why you need to gatekeep and guard your hobbies and fandoms with the ferocity of Cerberus itself, otherwise they end getting infiltrated and infected with the woke virus, which is a death sentence.

    • @TSPH1992
      @TSPH1992 3 года назад +1

      Agreed. That's what me and my pals have been doing for years

    • @STEVSGONE
      @STEVSGONE 3 года назад

      @PODCAST - SørenCast Z classic video games? They find a way in there they're going to have a huge problem!

    • @Hydrogoniise
      @Hydrogoniise 3 года назад

      @@cottoncandiez8872 They got rid of race-based skills or somethin' right? Just wait til this happens to RPG games like The Elder Scrolls

    • @maisuchan6209
      @maisuchan6209 3 года назад +5

      We don't need to gatekeep, we just need to preserve all the good stuff we do have and keep it safe so that when this woke wave Finally dissipates we have a foundation to build on.

    • @BlueCheeseWheeze
      @BlueCheeseWheeze 3 года назад +5

      The people who made fun of me for these hobbies in high school are telling me to be inclusive now. Yeah no. When the normies started "liking" these things, it was only a matter of time.

  • @matthewlee8667
    @matthewlee8667 3 года назад +51

    We love Tolkien so much that we're going to expose him as literally Hitler while we also try to sell our own books about whatever and try to ruin the Lord of the Rings for everyone so that more people can enjoy it!

  • @bruhverlybruh4012
    @bruhverlybruh4012 3 года назад +50

    Buy all the books guys. Buy all of tolkeins work. If they start making changes, we have to fight to keep the original work alive till we defeat this menace.

    • @John_on_the_mountain
      @John_on_the_mountain 3 года назад +6

      Ive started buying everything Tolkien-related for this reason.

    • @javierramirez1805
      @javierramirez1805 3 года назад +1

      Just got the latest 3 in 1 edition of Lord of the Rings book

  • @kdog3908
    @kdog3908 3 года назад +41

    "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this wokery."

    • @thespyingeyeofmordor
      @thespyingeyeofmordor 3 года назад +4

      DOWN WITH SJWS!

    • @MrQabalist
      @MrQabalist 3 года назад +3

      Maybe do what the men of Minas Tirith did with Sauron by referring to him as “the Nameless One” (The Siege of Gondor). Fuck these Nameless Ones.

  • @Ahmenthi
    @Ahmenthi 3 года назад +326

    Tolkien is a man who put so much thought into his work that if something isn't said about a character, or location, or anything, then it doesn't apply. The man was detailed, far more than most creatives could ever hope to be.
    If Saruman wasn't shown to be queer, then I'm sorry, progressive weirdos, but Saruman isn't an alphabet person.
    I hope people physically attend this and boo the speakers. Immortalize it on stream.

    • @scottphillips8607
      @scottphillips8607 3 года назад +16

      If it were near me I would.

    • @petriew2018
      @petriew2018 3 года назад +34

      it should also be noted Saruman isn't even a person anyway, he's merely adopted a human form to facilitate his mission among the world of mortals. He's a 'higher being', things such as sexuality and the definitions that come with it do not apply to him (or gandalf)
      many aspects of Lord of the Rings are above the petty identity politics of the twitter crowd, so trying to project them is frankly silly. Elves, dwarves, orcs, etc.... they're not humans, physically and mentally they are far, far different

    • @TriggeredJelly
      @TriggeredJelly 3 года назад +9

      "But he likes rainbows! Rainbows are ours now, and have always been, didn'tyaknow?"

    • @ViZet85
      @ViZet85 3 года назад

      I really like the expression "alphabet person". May I use it?)

    • @Ellebeeby
      @Ellebeeby 3 года назад +2

      @@ViZet85 It's from Dave Chapelle's work IIRC, so I'm sure you can go ahead

  • @ehellstrom7127
    @ehellstrom7127 3 года назад +264

    "Representation is now more important than ever. "
    Representation is merely a tool to promote propaganda. An individual does NOT need to see themselves represented in entertainment. If an individual DOES requires to see themselves in entertainment, then that is a form of Narcissism; which is a BAD thing.
    An individual with EMPATHY can relate to characters that are not a mirror image of themselves. Empathy helps to form bonds with other people and other groups.

    • @tinkerbellthecat8185
      @tinkerbellthecat8185 3 года назад +24

      You are good person, may no harm come your way.

    • @tassothomas5186
      @tassothomas5186 3 года назад +19

      Someone here with some sense! It's refreshing!

    • @Steven9567
      @Steven9567 3 года назад +15

      its just excuse to erase white people form there own culture and history

    • @robynfuller3988
      @robynfuller3988 3 года назад +6

      Thank you for speaking the truth of what writing (or any other art) is actually meant to do

    • @christophermonteith2774
      @christophermonteith2774 3 года назад +2

      I think its closer to somewhere between the 2. people need something to relate with, like experiences or personality, but usually not race or some other arbitrary characteristic

  • @georger64
    @georger64 3 года назад +164

    They missed a couple of opportunities, like
    - Precious Girth: Body shaming in Tolkien‘s realms.
    - Elves and Wrinkles: Ageism in The Silmarillion.
    - Sauron, the Lord of Fake News.

    • @TerraExodus
      @TerraExodus 3 года назад +10

      That's for the next seminar. lol

    • @GeneralProfessor
      @GeneralProfessor 3 года назад +29

      - Melkor, The Misunderstood Hero and His Vision of a More Progressive World

    • @KorriTimigan
      @KorriTimigan 3 года назад +24

      Don't forget
      Elessar, False Messiah?: A Critical Study of Unelected Populist Leaders and the Role of Religious Fanaticism in the Fourth Age

    • @Shiirow
      @Shiirow 3 года назад +13

      Sauron, Orange Eye Bad - Some Progressive, probably

    • @techwizpc4484
      @techwizpc4484 3 года назад +8

      @@Shiirow Saruman the White (A look into the KKK). If Sauron had a hood with his cloak. Hmmm... On no.

  • @nunomesquita
    @nunomesquita 3 года назад +19

    Everyone whos doesn't already own the movies and books should do so right now, before they start editing them. If the Tolkien society won't protect his legacy it falls to us as fans to do so however we can.

  • @timbolton6122
    @timbolton6122 3 года назад +1

    I am a member of the Tolkien Society.
    It’s one of many groups out there who bring together fans from across the world. Tolkien himself remains president (something he agreed to) and his daughter is vice-president, taking over from Christopher when he sadly died. The society does charity work, donating the books written by Tolkien and it’s aim is to promote his work and life to the wider world. They are also known for the support of academic work, looking deeply into his books and also his life.
    The most important thing about the Tolkien Society is that they are supportive of interest in Tolkien, whether it is academic research or something creative like art or costuming. They are supportive and inclusive. That is important, they don’t belittle fans nor shut them down. They listen, they discuss, they explore.
    Academic discourse covers a massive range of topics, this seminar that seems to have ruffled a few feathers is not the only event of the Tolkien Society year nor the first seminar this year, the previous one was 21st century reception of Tolkien and last year there was one about the representation of hope in his work.
    I am proud of the Tolkien Society for it’s encouragement and support of such a diverse and creative fandom. Not everything is going to be of interest to me (I am very much focused on the art and also the landscapes of Tolkien). But I do know the Tolkien Society represents the best of fandom - it encourages debate from all people, accepts that there are multiple viewpoints and interests, which is helps to grow and flourish. It doesn’t shy away from harder topics either and the upcoming seminar shows that - the diversity of fans and also diversity in his work seems to be hard for many to grasp. It’s time to open your mind and listen, maybe someone else’s point of view is very different than your own, but it’s theirs and they are allowed to have it, as much as you hold your own views. The people giving presentations are doing so under the gaze of the public, renowned Tolkien scholars and fans. They are brave and I applaud them.
    It’d be nice to see more empathy for differing viewpoints in the world, but sadly we aren’t all quite there yet in accepting that our own view isn’t the be all and end all of fandom. But we’ll take small steps along that road.

  • @El_Sparky
    @El_Sparky 3 года назад +49

    “There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”

  • @twinrova3121
    @twinrova3121 3 года назад +118

    Just remember that "Diversity" is merley code for "Other than White Male" just look at the new Resident Evil. They passed up an ACTUAL "Woman of Color" (Sheva) So they could race swap Wesker. Its all about taking down the "White Hero" archetype. Or more specifically White men out of the picture. The "Symbol of oppression"

    • @customsongmaker
      @customsongmaker 3 года назад +13

      Sadly, the most diverse people of color are the minority in the world and are the targets of daily hatred. These people of color have colors such as red hair, yellow hair, blue eyes, and green eyes, none of which are found in the "native" people of South America, North America, Asia, India, Africa, Australia, the Middle East, or the Pacific Islands.
      Even the existence of red-haired mummies in South America, Egypt, and China is hatefully denied.

    • @thedoctor14blurayreviews75
      @thedoctor14blurayreviews75 3 года назад

      wrong

    • @customsongmaker
      @customsongmaker 3 года назад +2

      @@jellyfishi_ - "Are straight black men the white people of black people?"
      www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/05/straight-black-men-white-people-black-people/

    • @customsongmaker
      @customsongmaker 3 года назад

      @Lite-Wing Gift - yes and some white people have darker skin than Barack Obama. But other than the 28,000 people you named, only people of European descent have different colors of hair and eyes than the rest of the world.

    • @customsongmaker
      @customsongmaker 3 года назад

      @Lite-Wing Gift less than .1% of Melanesians have blonde hair

  • @deepika2440
    @deepika2440 3 года назад +214

    You know Tolkien deserves defending against these rampant smearing of his works. There's an organized narrative building before the show from the highest levels of the woke cathedral. If the Tolkien scholars won't, then fans must put up the 'scholarly' work to criticize each an every garbage paper in that 'seminar'. I believe fans can put up enough 'scholarly' arguements just because we know his work more than these weirdos and are not sellouts.

    • @bemotivated8443
      @bemotivated8443 3 года назад +15

      These people can not create,they can only corrupt

    • @petriew2018
      @petriew2018 3 года назад +8

      just hold the line until the Amazon series bombs and then the cultural locusts will move on some other franchise

    • @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
      @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 3 года назад +3

      @@petriew2018 Have fun! That what Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who fans thought they could do. There is no holding the line when the enemy tries to destroy you from within. And derive perverse pleasure in deliberately destroying a franchise and its fandom.

    • @petriew2018
      @petriew2018 3 года назад +5

      @@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Those fanbases kinda' won, though... the woke crowd's versions of those franchises have already burned to the ground and will be forgotten within the decade. 5 years from now, when twitter's dead and buried, all this nonsense will be forgotten and the original works will still stand.
      It's only a matter of time before the unprofitable and unsustainable reboots are rebooted away, so again, it's just a matter of holding the line.

    • @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
      @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 3 года назад +4

      @@petriew2018 No, those fanbases did not won. It's not like with Doctor Who's first cancellation, where fans kept it alive with cons, buying merch, Big Finish audiobooks, showing the series to their kids and turning them into fans. A large part of the fanbase gave up and just walked away. They won't be going to cons (still under SJW control anyway), they won buy merch anymore, nor BF audio (also gone woke as fuck), they won't show the stuff to their kids. Same with the others. The fanbases have been split, there's loyalists still holding on using fanon continuity, waiting for the new stuff to burn itself out, there's diehards who will swallow any shit, as long as its their brand, hoping against better judgment it will get better, there's those who like the new stuff and who hate the old fans, and there is a massive part who just no longer care and walked away. And you won't get them back, cause the magic is just gone for them.
      Once this woke shit burns itself out the fanbase will be strongly diminished, and still divided, while it will have missed its chance to imprint itself on another generation. It will become like other fandoms of franchises that have existed before, but which have been out of the public eye for decades. Still there, but slowly diminishing as old fans die or move on and few if any new fans will join.

  • @dirus3142
    @dirus3142 3 года назад +108

    this SJW attack on Tolkien is like calling Leonardo Da Vinci an istaphobe because he did not have black trans disabled people in his works.

    • @lunalee3021
      @lunalee3021 3 года назад +7

      Don't forget all the 6000 genders made up by teenage girls on twitter since last tuesday

    • @TallisKeeton
      @TallisKeeton 3 года назад +1

      @@lunalee3021 :D priceless :D

    • @gtfghj3267
      @gtfghj3267 3 года назад +1

      @@lunalee3021 my pronouns are xir/xe/retard/ people on twitter be like

  • @christianschulz1443
    @christianschulz1443 3 года назад +2

    Man you are truly one of the last guardians of tolkiens work, keep it up.

  • @Monsposse
    @Monsposse 3 года назад +22

    Tolkien on the Tolkien Society, letter 275: "Yes, I have heard of the Tolkien Society. Real lunatics don't join them, I think. But still such things fill me too with alarm and despondency."

  • @joedredd1168
    @joedredd1168 3 года назад +121

    That's it! They've gone to far now, I was angry at what they did to Star Wars, I was sad of what became of Star Trek, I was disgusted at what happened to Doctor Who, but this bloody well ENRAGES ME! They can't do this, not Tolkien or his immortal works, the stories, tales, and poems that still inspire and touch the hearts of peoples today! It was once said that the world is made up of two kinds of people, the ones that have read the Lord of the Rings, and the ones who're going to. Tolkien's finger prints can be found on all modern Fantasy and Sci-Fi works today, he is the best selling author of the 20th century! Everyone will wake up from this woke nightmare, lead by the Fandom Menace, and gatekeep every one of these SJW's away from this most important work of fiction. Make no mistake, Tolkien's creations IS modern Western myth.

    • @SteveSmith-ty8ko
      @SteveSmith-ty8ko 3 года назад +17

      @@blindlobster Oh don’t get too comfortable, Funimation has been given a foot in the door and they’ve already done some really questionable scripts/rewrites of existing Japanese work. It’s only a matter of time before wokism and progressivism invade anime/manga. We have to continue supporting the good work that they do put out, because the moment that the well dries up the Japanese will want nothing to do with woke garbage.

    • @maisuchan6209
      @maisuchan6209 3 года назад +9

      Don't worry the books, poems and letters will always be around, they're timeless tales after all and all those woke losers won't be able to touch them. We won't get any good adaptations anymore but hey, who needs more adaptations when we have Peter Jackson's incredible movies?
      Those woke weirdos can go fuck themselves, they can't take away our books

    • @MultiCommissar
      @MultiCommissar 3 года назад +11

      Finally you understand the purpose of gatekeeping.

    • @JagoShogun
      @JagoShogun 3 года назад

      @@SteveSmith-ty8ko what did cuntimation do this time? :'(

    • @gsylass
      @gsylass 3 года назад

      And this is why they are trying to destroy Tolkien's works.

  • @Jacob_64
    @Jacob_64 3 года назад +24

    "Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the west. Behind the hills, into shadow. How did it come to this?"

  • @falloutfan2502
    @falloutfan2502 3 года назад +13

    "Throw it into the fire!"
    "No...the ideology is mine."

  • @insfrankestein6641
    @insfrankestein6641 3 года назад +14

    I'm not a big LotR fan but, man, seeing this i just want to cry

  • @jasonstahl7320
    @jasonstahl7320 3 года назад +246

    Firstly, I'm not surprised that they folded like a lawn chair accordian. Secondly, this pisses me off so much that I'm at a loss for words. Leave the man AND his legacy alone! JSG is right, Tolkien was a linguist, if he used a word, and put in a sentence, it was MEANT to be there. These people for all of their inflated "intellengence" (aka ego and arrogance), think that they can out wit a man who could verbally slap them into reality and they would thank him for it! I'll this again, LEAVE THE MAN'S LEGACY ALONE!! Because if you dont, "From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring, renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king." If you dont know what the refers to, you're a servant of the Dark Lord and have aligned yourself with Mordor!!

    • @GryphonIndustrial
      @GryphonIndustrial 3 года назад +30

      “The dwarves dug too greedily and too deep. They found something In that mine. A creature of the old world... fake fans.” ~ Gandalf

    • @jasonstahl7320
      @jasonstahl7320 3 года назад +6

      That's why a close friend of mine and I started our own You Tube channel 😉

    •  3 года назад +6

      Holy... springing that quote like that, it made my eyes tear up. ❤️

    • @tototats001
      @tototats001 3 года назад +5

      I want to frame this beautiful comment on my wall

    • @mirceazaharia2094
      @mirceazaharia2094 3 года назад +4

      Professor Tolkien, his wife and son are all dead. They have gone to the Halls of Mandos, for better or worse.
      Now, there is precious little to stop the cultural vandals from defecating all over his work, because they have the upper hand for the moment, the money and the influence.
      They will shit up this new show and there's not a single solitary goddamn thing that we can do to stop them.
      The only good thing we CAN do is NOT WATCH IT. Sail the seven digital seas to obtain it without payment if you're curious, tear it to shreds online, but nothing more.
      Certainly do not pay to see it. Turn it into the failure it was always going to be. Even the mindless masses will figure out that something is rotten in the state of Denmark (and it ain't Hamlet's dad), because of all of these woke shows failing and just plain nor being very good, BECAUSE they are woke.
      Even more, failing systematically, predictably, and with absolute regularity. Human beings are built to detect patterns. They will see the pattern, sooner or later.
      They will put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Eventually. And then they will just plain avoid wokeness wherever they see it, and in the end combat it when it is shoved down their throats one time too many.

  • @TriTomMaximum
    @TriTomMaximum 3 года назад +22

    "Tell me, when did the Tolkien Society abandon reason for madness?"

  • @TheAlterspark
    @TheAlterspark 3 года назад +66

    It is time for fans to take back their franchises. This "society" is trying to twist things to their own ends.

    • @PabloRodriguez-su4gp
      @PabloRodriguez-su4gp 3 года назад +1

      How ? Corporations own everything and they are already rotten to the core.
      The only way the woke credo stops being sponsored by big corporations is by losing lots and lots of money.
      I think the amazon show will be a success. Normies don't give a single eff about all this and they will be the bulk of the audience. I really hope I'm wrong though....

    • @MementoMorituri
      @MementoMorituri 3 года назад +3

      The only way to fight back is by doing what the woke can't do: build on what has gone before and create something new.

    • @GryphonIndustrial
      @GryphonIndustrial 3 года назад +1

      If this is your rallying moment it’s already too late. Either create something new or support people that do. Never support parasites turning cultural works into propaganda.
      P.s. NEVER SIMP

  • @VVizardthewizard
    @VVizardthewizard 3 года назад +26

    One does not simply "fix" Tolkien's works.

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +2

      They put themselves above him, so they can judge him, when they are not fit to shine his white, catholic boots. It's basically one big ego trip since Gamergate.
      "Everything is racist, everything is sexist, and you have to point it all out" - Sarkesian, 2014.
      It was there from the start.

  • @TieFighterPilot
    @TieFighterPilot 3 года назад +28

    I feel like what a 50 years old was thinking seeing the 1960's hippies trashing society's norms.

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +4

      Suddenly, we all are wiser and we see things we didn't before. All it takes is a horrible debacle to put it into perspective.

    • @erynlasgalen1949
      @erynlasgalen1949 3 года назад +3

      Yeah, we learned all that 'share the land' stuff didn't work. Because you can't change human nature. Or rather that the orcs among us will come and trash any utopia. I'm still for free love as long as no hearts are broken, which it turns out is impossible, and that's why I have bedn monogamous for close to half a century.

  • @Dc-alpha
    @Dc-alpha 3 года назад +30

    "Stop apologising for the things you've never done, 'Cos time is short and life is cruel but it's up to us to change this town called Malice"

  • @miguelmontenegro3520
    @miguelmontenegro3520 3 года назад +41

    - Let's change his words! Genius!
    - So, not Tolkien?
    - RACIST

  • @Red_Tiger-x7s
    @Red_Tiger-x7s 3 года назад +18

    Meanwhile Tolkien is in heaven, playing D&D with Kentaró Miura, Gary Gigax and Dave Arneson. And they are all laughing at this idiocy.

    • @Red_Tiger-x7s
      @Red_Tiger-x7s 3 года назад

      @ATripToMars nope, he's happily atending heaven's furrycon.

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад

      @@Red_Tiger-x7s Bold of you to assume enough furries made it to the good ending to have a con.
      I've seen their dens on the internet. None of them are without sin.

    • @Red_Tiger-x7s
      @Red_Tiger-x7s 3 года назад +1

      @@stormisuedonym4599 Your judgement is clouded, my friend. I have met them, talked to them and I can say, that good exists within their ranks, think of them not as orcs or goblins, but as humans. Yes, some of them have commited great crimes against decency and morality and we often see the proof of these crimes in a form of horrific creations wandering the internet, looking for fertile soil to corrupt, though this is but a small portion of this kind, let it be known that that most of them hate these creations in a same way we do, they destroyed some of their favourite nations. Sonic, My Little Pony, Robin Hood, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, all were slaughtered by these filthy degenerates and corrupted almost beyond salvation... Yet there is still hope. Some of them use their time to brighten the lives of others, children sick and healthy, their species doesn't bring only degeneracy but also friendship and comradery. Hope still exists for them.

  • @donwild50
    @donwild50 3 года назад +40

    If Tolkien thought for a moment that the sexual proclivities of a character were so important that it identified the character...he would have said so. But these books were NOT written to address sexuality. It simply was not important to the story, any more than a discussion of the origin of a tomato would be important to a recipe for spaghetti sauce in a cook book.

    • @BartAllen
      @BartAllen 3 года назад +4

      *Apart from Laws and Customs among the Eldar ...* 😂😂

  • @dandare9055
    @dandare9055 3 года назад +4

    Eff it...
    “Let this be the hour when we draw swords together. Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn. Forth, Eorlingas!”

  • @joshuapreston7170
    @joshuapreston7170 3 года назад +39

    Let's call it like it is, this is disrespectful of The Professor, his work, his family, his friends, and every fan who has enjoyed his work since the 1937

    • @TSPH1992
      @TSPH1992 3 года назад +4

      And what an insult to everybody who went out of their way to spend money on his books

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад

      @@medikor9190 It seems to me no one is standing up to anything anymore. Lot of arbitrarnes going around these days.

  • @bhushanharripersad5716
    @bhushanharripersad5716 3 года назад +30

    People might need to buy the books before these hacks decide to ban or edit them like what they did to Dr. Suess.

  • @sadwingsraging3044
    @sadwingsraging3044 3 года назад +43

    The people who are not fit to fill Tolkien's inkwell are going to rewrite his works.

    • @sadwingsraging3044
      @sadwingsraging3044 3 года назад +4

      @@dimitriwarchief301 Get your hardcopy now....
      May want to buy two and wrap the second one in cosmoline and bury it somewhere in a PVC sealed pod along with a guitar.

  • @tarnishedknight9909
    @tarnishedknight9909 3 года назад +16

    You know its bad when the society forget WHY Tolkien wrote his Middle Earth books
    Well said Just Some Guy

  • @kylebrogmus8847
    @kylebrogmus8847 3 года назад +16

    Dear Hollywood and “so-called” Tolkien Society,
    Leave his work alone, you clearly don’t understand it.

  • @zykedm1823
    @zykedm1823 3 года назад +24

    So this is the new shadow that Tolkien was writing about, I now understand why he would abandon it

  • @Dragiare
    @Dragiare 3 года назад +7

    Can you imagine the mentality of liking something sooo much that all you do tear at through the lense of something completely different and ignore the world that actual work exists in?

  • @ontaevis7369
    @ontaevis7369 3 года назад +26

    Sauron lives on and corrupts all that is good even now. However, so long as there is even one man, woman, or child who sees the truth, there is hope my friends.

  • @nicolo8503
    @nicolo8503 3 года назад +1

    Franchise after franchise this plague has affected each of the things we love most, Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, Indiana Jones, etc; they have all fallen prey to this illness. It looks like the devastating cloud of "The Neverending Story", where they pass they destroy everything and nothing remains but devastation. The time has come to fight back, because this is the last bastion we have left, LotR must not fall! If not for ourselves we must do it for J. R. R. Tolkien.

  • @MKDumas1981
    @MKDumas1981 3 года назад +3

    "But, news flash, the genre's called 'fantasy'; it's supposed to be _un_-realistic, you myopic manatee!"

  • @kaesees
    @kaesees 3 года назад +87

    One of the talks is just a celebration of slash smut fanfics couched in academic language, lmao that these people want to be taken seriously

    • @DonVigaDeFierro
      @DonVigaDeFierro 3 года назад +4

      That's all I need to know to laugh at them.
      Well, laugh even more and even louder...

    • @GeneralProfessor
      @GeneralProfessor 3 года назад +12

      Not being taken seriously was their main strength. If they were taken seriously 20 years ago we wouldn't be here today watching Tolkien of all things become infiltrated and subverted.

    • @kaesees
      @kaesees 3 года назад

      @@GeneralProfessor Fair point. My guess is in another few years the Tolkien Society will feature talks effectively arguing that The Last Ringbearer is the definitive account of the end of the 3rd age and beginning of the 4th :/

    • @thespyingeyeofmordor
      @thespyingeyeofmordor 3 года назад +1

      Bet that they don't follow the Laws and Customs of the Eldar (LACE).

    • @erynlasgalen1949
      @erynlasgalen1949 3 года назад

      @@thespyingeyeofmordor Even Finwe didn't follow the LaCE completely, so it is not the way Eru made the Elves. And this was the marriage and naming customs of Noldorin Elves in Valinor. They may not have applied to the Sindar and the Laegren cultures. I agree that slashing every male elf in Ennor is exploitive. So is writing Imladris like La Cage au Folles, with the men in love with each other and the women so frustrated they sail. But with the strict rules about no remarriage after the death of a spouse, I wouldn't rule out one or two intense friendships al9ng the course of history. It would be frowned upon rather than celebrated, though.
      I have had Oropher, the back to Nature Elf, opine that the LaCE was a pious pile of Noldotin cant.

  • @mysterymastermind175
    @mysterymastermind175 3 года назад +36

    This seminar reeks of depressed social science students desperately trying to justify their degrees in feminist dance therapy.

  • @Kemot300
    @Kemot300 3 года назад +20

    They should just throw the Seminar into Mount Doom. It will be a less painful burn compared to the burn the fans will have for this

  • @Cyberplayer5
    @Cyberplayer5 3 года назад +17

    To paraphrase Gandalf: An Wizards words are never political nor are they woke. They covey precisely the story he means to tell.

  • @smell-of-rain-and-coffee4041
    @smell-of-rain-and-coffee4041 3 года назад +1

    The pain one makes me so sad. Frodo suffers from chronic pain during most of the books, still gets everything done, lives his full life in the shire, and then is allowed to find peace. As someone with chronic pain, LotR is one of the few works that shows me actual compassion for a character like this and acknowledges the reality. Some things don't heal. And that's part of life.
    Tolkien saw so many men return from the wars, and the consequences of that. The work is hopeful without toxic positivity.
    And the orcs aren't the baddies because they are disfigured, but that's an entire paper by itself...

  • @Tinandel
    @Tinandel 3 года назад +35

    A group like this calling themselves “The Tolkien Society” gives me Warhammer 40K vibes, with the Emperor’s Children legion keeping their name after turning traitor as a kind of sick joke.

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +4

      This is litteraly our version of the hourus heresy. Chaos is spreading and corrupting, and many people we used to look up to in our youth (Like the holy primarch Hourus) are turning corrupt and anwsering chaos call, either tricked, or seeking power.
      It goes beyond media into politics and culture, chaos corrupts absolutley.

    • @jadonlamey3931
      @jadonlamey3931 3 года назад +2

      It's true my brothers. These are dark days. Chaos and heresy as far as the eye can see. Emperor preserve us.

  • @Stresslvls99
    @Stresslvls99 3 года назад +63

    The interest in "diversity" had grown like a malignant cancer.

    • @BartAllen
      @BartAllen 3 года назад +1

      *Well there are non-Marachian/Hador denzens in Arda during the Second Age ~*

  • @1ChristFollowingNerd
    @1ChristFollowingNerd 3 года назад +110

    Imagine having the mindset that declares ‘here’s what Tolkien could learn from me.’ They elevate themselves above great writers & great thinkers alike and I think this ideology drives them insane. They will eventually attack Alex Haley because he didn’t do enough for the black community. Watch

    • @Lissbirds
      @Lissbirds 3 года назад +6

      I'm waiting for them to come for Ray Bradbury and Isaac Asimov next. :(

    • @jamiewalking
      @jamiewalking 3 года назад +6

      No need to imagine when the hubris, delusion, and spitefulness is right there for all to see. Although I am agreed that it is spectacularly difficult to picture the degree of Dunning Kruger needed to unironically write an 'academic' paper on how you understand Tolkien better than he himself did.

    • @kingkoua1
      @kingkoua1 3 года назад +1

      Delusions of grandeur. Tolkien could learn from who? We don’t even know who you are. Lol.

  • @Connor.SG-1Ring
    @Connor.SG-1Ring 3 года назад +11

    "The works of Tolkien was given over to lesser men."

  • @mikoi7472
    @mikoi7472 3 года назад +2

    It's truly something awe inspiring by the way these oppressed groups are able to trash their oppressors constantly with virtually no pushback. Speaks truly to the strength these people must possess that their oppressors instead praise them as they lash out with vicious tongues against not only them, but the histories and accomplishments of their forefathers while being unable to even come close to the talent and skill these figures possessed to become remembered in the first place.
    You would presume that only a person of privilege would be able to consistently attack a group and it's cultural aspects to such a degree and face no retaliation. But alas, as these event show us. Truly must not be so, for they are oppressed as they say so themselves.
    In reality, the "oppressors" have done such a magnificent job of lifting these people up placing them on an equal playing ground, that the expectations placed upon them to simply be equal to the "oppressors" must seem like the oppression to itself.
    In fact as these oppressors continue to try to better society for all, they haven't gone up in standing, but have continued to raise everyone else's standing in hopes that one day they will succeed.
    It is from this balcony that these people now sit to spit on the so called oppressors, to demean them and destroy their culture and history.
    When you can walk into a store and clearly expect the "oppressors" to change their behavior to suit you, then clearly you are the privileged one in the situation. The famous "It's Maam," Video shows this all to well. Do a minority of transgender people face hardships in their lives? Yes. But so do most people. Life isn't fair and it's only these people who've faced no true hardships that have the luxury to expect it to be.
    These groups throw hysterical fits, demanding that you spend your time and money to put someone what looks like them or behaves in a similar manner to them into your works. When we look at the research of privilege, we find that the privileged group tends to be almost unable to identify with a group they view as lesser than themselves. Most of this research is done on men and women instead of other groups. But the ideas still stand because it's a human quality among groups.
    Men tend to enjoy media no matter if it's a woman or male lead. Women tend to actually want more female leads and might dislike a piece of media on the basis of it having a male lead. In video games, it's men who tend to choose female or male avatars, but women will only choose female avatars. And before anyone gets a pinch, we're talking about general statistics, not applicable to literally every individual. Calm down, NAXALT isn't a defense.
    The reality is, these people who talk about representation, while at the same time decry cultural appropriation are doing so because they see themselves and their culture as superior to the group that is included. That the group producing the media must be beneath them.
    Though I will note, these are not really at the forefront of people's minds. It's a subconscious action. So they probably are hardly aware of what they're truly doing. But everything you do in life is a complex interweaving of subconscious, conscious, biological, and genetic traits/desires/needs.
    But the end is an erasure of history of a group. This is why things like black history week were invented and later expanded to a month. The idea behind it was that if a group has no history to attach itself to, that group is at threat of being killed off. Erasing history still has this same effect. And while no, White people are not being genocided currently (outside of South Africa), many scholars when asked about this in relation to any other group would say this is dangerous and could lead to them being targeted. So while it's not happening today, or tomorrow, it could eventually open a group up to it whether they're White, Black, Asian, Jewish, or what have you. And although it's a meme unto itself, we can actually look at Nazi Germany, and specifically the actions taken by the rest of the western world post WW2 that can shine lights on this.
    Much of what the Nazis were able to get away with was by painting other groups as oppressive to the "Aryans." Much was also done to twist and destroy the history and culture of these people. And in doing so the populace became indifferent to the suffering of these groups because they thought they were already harming them.
    Identification, Isolation, and Exclusion were some of the main tools used by the regime to turn the people against a group. And we actually see this returning now with "Minority only spaces."
    These are major leaps backwards but are for some reason celebrated as necessary. Luckily it's not gotten anywhere nearly as bad as it is portrayed, but if we allow this type of behavior to become normalized, bad things ahead are really the only outcome.
    A huge part of the allies actions after WW2 was about integration and teaching of not only the crimes the Nazis committed, but also the history of these people to protect against such actions taking place again in the future. Sad it's the very people who enacted such changes to protect other groups that are now being targeted with the same kind of twisted propaganda.

  • @quietrioter
    @quietrioter 3 года назад +29

    We will start our own Tolkien Society. With blackjack! AND HOOKERS!!

  • @maubraymzoma6616
    @maubraymzoma6616 3 года назад +43

    🙆🏾‍♂️🙆🏾‍♂️ I can't deal with this anymore, why are these people like this??? Just respect the universe he created and if anything create your own stories and fill them with whatever mumbo jumbo you want.
    But nooooo! they know they wouldn't be able to create anything that can be that engaging and memorable and so they decide to throw dirt on it.
    All I can hear is a bunch of jargon so they can sound smart.

    • @picknsave1110
      @picknsave1110 3 года назад +8

      They can't create anything good from wokism so they always want control of what makes lots of $$ and hate others ability to think for one's self so they use that popular media to mind control the children as early as possible.

    • @DonVigaDeFierro
      @DonVigaDeFierro 3 года назад +17

      "Evil cannot create, only corrupt..."

  • @MuffinHunterX
    @MuffinHunterX 3 года назад +142

    The obsession these people have with inserting their politics into works that didn't even have these issues on the table for discussion when they were written is baffling.
    As an example I can understand finding Lovecraft's casual racism a deal breaker to enjoying his works or the overt Christian allegory with C.S. Lewis if you're hyper anti-religion but I can't think if _anything_ objectionable in LoTR.
    These people are reaching for themes that just aren't there.

    • @linusgustafsson2629
      @linusgustafsson2629 3 года назад +6

      LOTR is Mein Kampf in code words. You just have to be woke to realize.

    • @QuaestorL
      @QuaestorL 3 года назад +13

      There are christian themes in The Lord of The Rings, Tolkien was catholic, and because of that, i can see why they try to ruin it

    • @VidkunQL
      @VidkunQL 3 года назад +17

      I dislike the racism in H.P. Lovecraft and the heavy-handed Christian allegory in C.S. Lewis, but I still (mostly) enjoy their stories. And even if I found their stories unreadable, I wouldn't hold a seminar on how unreadable they were, where like-minded people could pat each other on the back for having such good taste.

    • @superjlk_9538
      @superjlk_9538 3 года назад +8

      The only thing that is close to objectionable at surface level are the Haradrim. Which isn’t even a racist depiction. Men are constantly depicted as being easily corruptible. The Haradrim just happened to be from East and South of Mordor

    • @1SpicyMeataball
      @1SpicyMeataball 3 года назад +17

      They also seem to forget once Lovecraft's Mother died and he travelled abroad more he became less racist.
      But people don't grow and develop through life experiences, no no. We must judge people of the past to the standards of today's society as well.

  • @kagato0987
    @kagato0987 3 года назад +2

    your delivery on that fanfic topic burn had me dying

  • @aldahesu28
    @aldahesu28 3 года назад +3

    This is the best example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The think they are as smart or even smarter than Tolkien because they adapt, "modernize" and rewrite Tolkien's works. They are a black hole of creativity.

  • @DonVigaDeFierro
    @DonVigaDeFierro 3 года назад +18

    The best we can do is ignore them and protect Tolkien's original vision. Protect those books in your shelf...

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад +3

      We can't just ignore them. We have to actively argue against them.
      "Ignore them" is how they corrupted D&D communities, how we lost Star Wars, and how they infested comics.
      Take a lesson from The Lord of the Rings: No great evil was ever defeated by hiding in the Shire and pretending it would just go away.

  • @KingC-way425
    @KingC-way425 3 года назад +44

    Tolkien is rolling in his grave right now.

    • @AscendantStoic
      @AscendantStoic 3 года назад +6

      He is doing cartwheels at this point.

    • @JLAvey
      @JLAvey 3 года назад +5

      Think his corpse is spinning fast enough to generate electricity? If so, connect that casket to the power grid.

    • @Shiirow
      @Shiirow 3 года назад

      he is rolling so hard, people swear they hear a buzz saw whenever they walk past it.

    • @filipvadas7602
      @filipvadas7602 3 года назад

      Spinning like a beyblade at this point

  • @TheUplate
    @TheUplate 3 года назад +35

    Tolkien fans are purists, like yourself. People will stand up to this. Whether or not they can oppose the ubiquitous rewriters remains to be seen. Remember though. It's always darkest before the dawn Mr Frodo

    • @starwarfan8342
      @starwarfan8342 3 года назад +12

      So were we. We raged when Disney burned the Expanded universe and replaced it with cheap substitutes. We raged when Admiral Purple Hair and Mary Sue just won at everything without earning their power. We ensured that Solo lost money. We ensured that Reylo fans were despised in any respectable establishment. Star Wars lore isn't like Marvel or DC, where the Canon can be altered or shifted on a whim, where there are literally hundreds of interpretations of beloved characters to draw on. But for all our fighting, Gina Carano was still fired, the High Republic comics are the Woke Republic comics, and that usurper Kathleen Kennedy still has a job.

    • @TheUplate
      @TheUplate 3 года назад +4

      @@starwarfan8342 You fought the good fight and bloodied the nose of the beast. But now the beacons are lit and Gondor calls for aid. I fought beside the Fandom Menace during the woke wars and I hope they will stand by us now. All the fandoms must draw together, for we face not just opposing fans. We stare down an ideology that infects all fandoms and corrupts all source materials. It is a blight that spreads to minds and we must even do battle against former allies. Hold fast, friends, because though the battle for Starwars may be drawing to a close, the battle for all fandoms is about to begin. Hold the line

    • @starwarfan8342
      @starwarfan8342 3 года назад

      @@TheUplate I'll try my damnest

  • @justanotherdave4835
    @justanotherdave4835 3 года назад +3

    I bought the hardbacks, the old BBC radio plays, the new 4k and now I walk away as they defile the lands of middle earth traveling to the undying lands with these artifacts where their filth can never reach. I will always be a fan of Tolkien both Chirstoper and John. These people may try to replicate and alter his works but they will never inspire a rush, zeppelin, megadeath, black sabboth, dragonlance, dnd, comics, movies Tolkien has been honored by and has influenced greater people then these fools will ever think to know. and in a few generations never remembered even by their own families

  • @timephire
    @timephire 3 года назад +3

    Zordon; "Observe the viewing globe..."
    JSG; "I need you to look at the screen..."

  • @enginear1157
    @enginear1157 3 года назад +12

    I have no problem discussing race, class, discrimination, whatever as it pertains to media. But this is ALL academics seem to want to discuss. Doing creative writing courses at a university legit gets tiring because of this.

  • @STB-jh7od
    @STB-jh7od 3 года назад +18

    "Applying trauma, stress, and ecological framework.." JRR Tolkien served as infantry officer in WW1, he had more first hand experience with trauma and stress than these people can even imagine. Ecological framework- did they miss cutting down of entire forests so Orc army could forge weapons? BTW- He served in the Rainbow division, called that because it was made of regiments from all allied nations, including US Army All Black regiments(still called Buffalo Soldiers), as well as regiments from European Colonies.

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +3

      Logic and kindness was never an option. Fanatics won't stop until someone faces the wall. Behind all the big words and masks, that's all they want in the end. Why do you think they dehumanize and call everyone biggot, racist, homophobe, naz1? It was their plan from the start.

    • @STB-jh7od
      @STB-jh7od 3 года назад +1

      @@Klongu_Da_Bongu yeah pretty much

  • @Nelo_Wolf
    @Nelo_Wolf 3 года назад +38

    Looks like the Tolkien society has abandoned reason for madness

  • @sanitarycockroach9038
    @sanitarycockroach9038 3 года назад +8

    "I wish the woke had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
    "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”

  • @yourenotmarywelcome8693
    @yourenotmarywelcome8693 3 года назад +1

    I randomly came across this video and the title alone had me hitting the subscribe button. I fell in love with The Hobbit and LOTR after reading it in middle school. Hearing of Amazon’s expansion of the stories made me sick to my stomach. I had a hard enough time losing Star Wars. Is nothing sacred anymore?
    And all the Karen videos are genius!!

  • @SSingh-nr8qz
    @SSingh-nr8qz 3 года назад +359

    As an artist and writer, I find it *EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE* to put words in the mouths of dead creators. It is insanely disrespectful. These people and their work are a product of their era of time. We have no idea how that person would have changed with the times or what they would think of things today. We can guess but that's all it is. A guess! Just imagine for a second you are dead and a republican that did some great things, and you great grandchildren or strangers said you were a woke liberal. Leave the dead and their legacy alone. Appreciate their work but don't twist things to fit your own world view because it makes you comfortable associating with things and people you normally would not agree with.

    • @Alexander_Kale
      @Alexander_Kale 3 года назад +20

      At least when people write code, we know which version of the program it is by the version number, which gets updated with every iteration.
      Bet dimes to dollars the current censor puritans will not do this once they start rewriting classic works. After all, people would likely prefer buying the actual, original work.

    • @SSingh-nr8qz
      @SSingh-nr8qz 3 года назад +21

      @@Alexander_Kale My fear is physical works being completely replaced by digital copies. Look at Dr Suess currently. Most of his books that are digital right now are being altered or flat out deleted. You know how easy it is to change a digital book without anyone knowing and thinking it's the original work? They have been doing this to music for a while (poorly mind you) where they take an explicit song lyric and replace it with "family/radio friendly" lyrics without the artists approving.
      Art has and always will be about presenting TRUTH. Not propaganda but creating something that has all the details an artist can muster and presenting it to the public to draw their own conclusions. When you changes words, you change intent and meaning. I'll give you a historical one.
      The Bible is a translation of Hebrew words. Everyone has heard the Commandment "Thou Shall not Kill". Did you know that is actually a mistranslation? The actual translation is "Thou Shall not MURDER". It's a single word change (and an innocent one when you think of the translator in this situation) but look at the impact of that word change. You might think "what's the big deal? Kill and Murder are the same thing right?" Nope. Killing is the act of taking any life. This can be plant,s animals, people, and it doesn't matter your intent.Dead is dead. Murder has intent and specifically attributed to human life being taken wrongfully. I know it seems like splitting hairs but think of the centuries of debate about things like war or abortion or anything involving loss of life.
      My point is changing things changing intent and what it does for society interaction with the work.

    • @DoctorPhobos
      @DoctorPhobos 3 года назад +13

      This is what "Critical Theory" does. It overanalyzes and deconstructs a work until it fits with a preconceived result.

    • @huanquocmanh416
      @huanquocmanh416 3 года назад +4

      They r atheists. They hold nothing sacred

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад +6

      @@huanquocmanh416 Tell us more about how you've never actually bothered to learn how an atheist thinks, feels, or believes.

  • @kaifujimoto6143
    @kaifujimoto6143 3 года назад +32

    All good things must come to a end, sometimes we don't get to choose how and when it end, sometimes we do. This is one of things that one can choose how it ends but they decided to burn it because they all of a sudden "see" these issues that were previously nonexistent.

    • @crazyfingers619
      @crazyfingers619 3 года назад +2

      No they don't, quit being a f*g and start standing for something.

    • @stormisuedonym4599
      @stormisuedonym4599 3 года назад

      @@dimitriwarchief301 At this point, all I can think to do is not give them my money, and urge others to do the same.

  • @draxrdax7321
    @draxrdax7321 3 года назад +72

    Jesus Christ, they got their claws on Tolkien's legacy and they won't give up until it's buried into the ground. Fine, i don't care anymore.

    • @Aeric98
      @Aeric98 3 года назад +4

      Same. I have my copy of the book and the 2000 LOTR DVDs/Blu-rays

    • @smashog7500
      @smashog7500 3 года назад +1

      Why get angry about it, the original books remain untouchable. Prepare to laugh your ass off!

    • @smashog7500
      @smashog7500 3 года назад +1

      @D Oh Oh I suppose I forgot to mention. Pirate the movies. More enjoyable to laugh at then! Give them nothing, but take from them, everything.

    • @Viothon
      @Viothon 3 года назад

      @@smashog7500 At some point they will rewrite the books or outright ban them. Its important to fight and stand up for things when it is still easy to do so.

    • @smashog7500
      @smashog7500 3 года назад

      @@Viothon They already have banned books across the world. Get your physical copies, and be happy. The rest of the world can either realize the destruction, or get rekt. For me, Tolkein, his movies are a part of me. :) They cannot remove that, not ever.

  • @jerrydeem8946
    @jerrydeem8946 2 года назад +1

    I just found your channel. It's nice to know I'm in the company of like minded folk. Well, at least in regard to LOTR. THANKS.

  • @sirshotty7689
    @sirshotty7689 3 года назад +2

    I'm not a big Tolkien fan, in fact I know more about the author himself than the books he written, but damn I absolutely love these videos of yours.

  • @lenorevanalstine1219
    @lenorevanalstine1219 3 года назад +7

    "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien

  • @briangarrow448
    @briangarrow448 3 года назад +12

    Tolkien was a product of his time. He wrote amazing fiction. That’s enough for me. I don’t need nor want to change his books.

  • @TVMAN1997
    @TVMAN1997 3 года назад +37

    Micheal Scott said it best:
    “Don’t”

  • @Palestrike
    @Palestrike 3 года назад +1

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Keep it up, man! It's good to know there are still sane people who understand what's happening.

  • @infiniteflame2374
    @infiniteflame2374 3 года назад +2

    "You will hear today all that you need in order to understand the
    purposes of the Enemy, and how he has brought about the troubles which
    called you here. There is naught that you can do, other than to resist,
    with hope or without it. But you do not stand alone. You will learn that
    your trouble is but part of the trouble of all the western world"
    -Elrond

  • @RevantheBlack
    @RevantheBlack 3 года назад +21

    Excellent reference, we need a scouring in the LOTR fandom

  • @saratoga123321
    @saratoga123321 3 года назад +14

    Basically what they're doing is literary eugenics.

  • @ISayEssays
    @ISayEssays 3 года назад +4

    "Minas Ithil was occupied by fell creatures, and it changed into a foul, evil place. As a result, it came to be called Minas Morgul, which in the tongue of Gondor means "Tower of Dark Sorcery"".

  • @thelonerider9693
    @thelonerider9693 3 года назад +11

    This is like asking why there aren't more cowboys in samurai movies. WTF is wrong with people?
    Tolkien wrote what he wrote and created what he created. If he wanted it in there it'd be in there.

    • @Klongu_Da_Bongu
      @Klongu_Da_Bongu 3 года назад +2

      No one who died before 2014 could have seen this coming. People acting this way, and turning the world like that, is still an insane concept to most people.

  • @odeon6139
    @odeon6139 3 года назад +47

    "Tackling health and fitness peer-pressure inflicted normativity in Middle Earth: The Elven problematic weightlessness against the stereotypical yet not in any way less harmful idea that the axe swinging midgets tribes are inferior because when a midget-sorry, height challenged dwarf- trek through half a meter of snow an Aryan looking slim pale man-archer will walk past and above him as his pointy ear privilege prevent him to relate to other races on an equal footing because the whiteness of the snow is systemically uplifting those the Middle Earth weather patterns deems worthy and superior" speech wasn't scheduled ? The scriptures of the event must be incomplete...