The Truth About Race-Swapping Characters
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- The Truth About Race-Swapping Characters
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"You killed real superheroes so you can pretend to be one?!"
-Mr. Incredible
That entire movie was ahead of its time. It perfectly shows what's happening to Superheroes across the board.
Haha. Good one!
The first Incredibles movie was some real stuff. All about family, what it meant to be a hero, being yourself instead of trying to pose as someone else, how mistreating your kids(sidekick but he has some hard daddy issues) turns them into homicidal maniacs looking for your attention.
Undercover racist
A+ comment bud!
I didn't even see Blade as a 'Black' character, I just saw him as Blade. When a character is good, race shouldn't matter.
Prime example is Red from the Shawshank Redemption. Originally the character is a small, Irish-American man with red hair in the short story.
But, they loved Morgan Freeman's portrayal of him so much, they hired him to play the character.
As a respectful nod, they have Red say the famous line on why the prisoners call him "Red": "Maybe it's because I'm Irish."
That trilogy, even the third one, is the most ironic thing about this. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that ever since the first Batman and Reeves Superman movies, that was the first superhero movie that showed that they can sell. And it showed that vampire movies can sell.
Preach brother! Blades Isa fucking badass!
Thank you so much! Blade has been my favorite Marvel character since the 90’s and honestly the fact that he was Black was never a draw for me, nor a deterrent. It was ‘Hey, it’s a badass vampire hunter with cool gadgets and a sweet ride, guys! F*ckin’ Choice!’ He’s Black because his mother and father were Black and he’s what happens when a fetus survives its mother’s vampire attack. So what?
That said, I don’t see anyone but Wesley Snipes playing that role. If they reboot Blade for the big screen they better get someone who can appropriate that look and style.
Did you know blade used to be a white kid than a white adult than black character he changed a lot but when Wesley snipes became blade he created something special to him i cant get behind the new blade he looks to serious of course blade is very serious but hes much better as i villain he just has that face
I honestly can't believe they thought that doing this on Henry Cavil's birthday was a good idea,it's just wrong.
I guess they did it on purpose, you know, to hurt feelings of a white straight male :/ what pieces of shit they are
It is 100% intentional. They are hate filled bigots who wanted to rub HC's face in it. Never forget that they are manipulative and hateful evil little petty shits in everything they do.
Show me anyone that 'claims' it's not on purpose, and I bet I can guess their political orientation with 99% accuracy. When you're that predictable, you're not human, you're an NPC. All of your opinion is the same, because you're not allowed to, by the programming in your head.
These people, and I use the term loosely, are the cruelest, most childish and hateful things that crawl across this planet. Of course they did this on Henry's birthday. Its not enough to stab him in the back, they have to twist the knife. These people are evil.
It was obviously meant to be an insult to Cavill.
The amount of ginger race swaps is insane.
it's like being a redhead is taboo nowadays in movies.
There was always some degree of unacceptable "difference" in Gingers to a lot of people, apparently. That's why the phrase "beaten like a red-headed step child" exists.
The truth is that people are shallow except when they learn not to be. Except learning is a choice that demands effort. And most would prefer a shallow and easy way to signal development, without actually doing any.
Human nature.
It doesn't change.
Ironic when I was kid. Red heads where super common in fiction. Usually characters meant to be liked too.
Wheel of time will have a ginger actor
And they just did it to Batgirl🤦♂️
"Don't nobody give two Amber Heards about Aquaman"
Brilliant!
Not true. I was very upset about Aquaman. Not because they cast an Atlantan character, with a Pacific actor. 🤦♂️ But, because Aquaman’s hair color is a pivotal part of his entire identity. And Jason Mamoa was too goddam lazy to get his hair did. Or, I dunno... even read the books.
@@PlayaSinNombre his hair color is pivotal l how so? Not being a smart arse I've just literally never read an aqua man comic unless it was for a major story event across the whole of DC like zero hour or blackest night or what not and so on. Never got into the aquaman comics much. Heck I didn't even watch the mamoa movie.
@@DeathclawJedi Atlantis was sunk by a sorcerer, Atlan, who had blonde hair. This traumatizes the survivors so badly, that for thousands of years, they leave all the blonde babies on a sacrificial reef. When Queen Atlanta gives birth to a blonde baby, she runs rather than allowing him to be sacrificed, and gives him to a lighthouse keeper, Thomas Curry. His adopted father named him Arthur, and he would grow up to be Aquaman.
@@TGuard00014 Aquaman, like Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, is one of DC’s legacy characters. His comics have been In publication since the 40’s. He did take a few lumps in the 80’s due to his hilarious portrayal in Super Friends, but being universally made fun of is a very different situation from being unknown. We wouldn’t laugh if we didn’t care.
@@TGuard00014 @PlayaSinNombre Thanks
One character that more than likely will *never* be race swapped: Tarzan.
lmao so true. If he was black they would see racists implications everywhere. But since he's white it's fine. It reminds me of when some black people identify themselves with the orcs of LotR
@@Yarblocosifilitico extra credit ????
The orc guy
give it time
😂😂😂
Maybe gender swapped.
Maybe he was also gay all along.
“We call him Miles Morales and not Spider-Man.”
That’s so true!
miles is a spider man
@@MNs.kenechi Yes he is A Spider-Man but he is not THE Spider-Man, that will always be Peter Parker
@@alejandromedrano7986 man who cares both are spidermen
@@caimbra5195 Nope they are not 1 is spider man the other isn't
That struck hard...
“We all know what race Superman is”…. Uhh, yea… he’s Kryptonian.
Superman uses the suns radiation to power up, correct?
it wouldn't make sense for Supes to be black as the darker skin tone does not maximize his ability to absorb sun rays as quickly.....just a dumb hunch
@@saintrico3456 Actually, just Bad Biology. Melanin stops the Sun's rays from Penetrating the Top Layers of skin. This would Prevent it from reaching his Muscles and Organs, which is Beneficial to Kryptonians! Caucasians have a Better production of Vitamin D from exposure to Sunlight, which helps Bone, and Sun Block can Prevent that.
Of Course, this is Applying Science to a man who Flies in Space, Shoots Lasers out his Eyes. and Bounces Bullets, but it's an Academic question.
@@Cleopatra7Philopator the Sphinx has spoken
great response, thanks
@@saintrico3456 Kryptonions don’t get powers on krypton. So there’s no point of absorbing the sunlight
straight white male Kryptonian
I’m “white” and grew up on micheal Jordan, as a kid I wanted to be like him , not for second did I think about being black. This proves inspiration sees far beyond color.
... it's because you were a kid. It is what it is
@@mauricemoore3193 fair point, but now as a man looking back doesn’t make me any less inspired because he’s black. I was born in 85, so from that era and on anyone black I learned about in history or television was inspiring to me considering what I learned about slavery in school. Martin Luther king, will smith , Martin Lawrence , Wesley snipes, micheal Jai white , Chris rock, Eddie griffin , not counting all the great black sports players etc. this is why I find it hard to believe how the media pushes all this racism propaganda when most white ppl alive today that are in their 30s-40s grew up on black American culture.
because you were into basket ball
Growing up influenced by the 3 Mikes, (Jordan,Jackson,Tyson) I will never understand the statement x can not related to y so we need to change y to represent x better...
@Jetsun Leonhardt Ty Thinley don't Black people play those roles that portray those negative stereotypes...?
The fact that Static Shock still doesn’t have a movie or a show tells us how disconnected they are. He’s one of the best heroes period.
Heck I want Cyborg Media. John Stewart and Hal Jordan Team Up.
Static shock has a show
@@professionalcommentstealer5271 New show you fool. Obviously the cartoon show is what made him famous. It’s old as Hell
I agree I love a second cartoon
@@MrGrimjaw ...... Im talking live action....
"They went to see Jason Momoa, not Aquaman." That's...actually true.
Additionally if you look at Aquaman he was not really defined by his look.
Superman has a very iconic look and there is a reason they try to get men with a very specific look to play him. It is why he is always drawn in the same general way.
To be fair, if I saw Aquaman, I would have gone to see Jason Momoa. Aquaman is lame.
Guilty, but I also went to see how black manta/devil ray looked on screen.
Also, they didn’t say ‘we have an native Hawaiian aqua man! Aren’t we awesome and progressive!’ They didn’t pay themselves on the back for hiring a poor oppressed brown person, they just paid attention to talent instead of race
@@catandrobbyflores Well, Black Manta is black so that's not a problem.
I think another reason why people hate race swapping characters is because, if their race is changed, their past is too, since they had to have different parents, and therefore have a different story/motivations/character. By changing someone's race, you change the character's life entirely.
I think the biggest problem is it's not done the same ay to white an d non white characters. They can race swap white characters all day. But if someone even suggested a white Black panther, Spawn, Blade, Baron Samedi, Anansi, or Storm they would flip.
To me the biggest problem is reason why they did it. Because there isn't any good reason to do it. The character was perfectly acceptable when it was white do why make them black or aisan. There is no reason to do that and the fact that you feal the need to do so is fucking wrong and weird. Sorry for my bad english not my first language and have a good day.
"Black characters can only succeed by replacing originally white characters."
When one of your favorite superheroes you grew up with is Static Shock.
Whewee you know that was a Trump supporter.
He's not saying objectively that that's the only way black characters can succeed. He's saying that that is what you're saying when you race swap characters.
@@stewartmullings1552 I m saying race only matters to racist.
@@stewartmullings1552 Im also saying race only matters when the person is black.
@@jamesstewart6079 I'm saying my favorite superhero growing up is Static Shock. Static and Gear are awesome, and Phil LaMarr and Jason Marsden are amazingly talented.
Wonderful vid xx
Sooooo....
....true.
😉
Collab DUDE!
@@goatymcgoatface3575 My door is ALWAYS open for JSG.
JSG puts thought into his reaction vids. It is great.
@@HeelvsBabyface What about your backdoor?
This is why I believe The Last of Us HBO series will fail right from the start by casting people that look nothing like the Joel and Ellie we've come to love. They should have just established all new characters within the universe - would've been far more compelling
HBO is doing a zombie apocalypse series with a black protagonist, and it's not Lee Everett in a walking dead spinoff? How do they fuck that up? Oh, that's right, these people don't actually play video games and thus wouldn't think to do that. My mistake.
Exactly, if the writing is solid and test audiences react well, you should have nothing to worry about. But in most cases, they can't write a story that would entertain anyone other than themselves.
Well pedro pascal looks like joel.
Tonmy's actor on the other hand
@@Otakupatriot117 I'm not sure if you know this but Lee Everett is dead so...
@@AL-lh2ht So is Joel. What's your point?
"No one cares about aquaman"
*Imagining aquaman from comics crying in the corner*
Rammstein quote: "Aquaman lives in water, so no one sees the tears".
He's so accurate though people really don't care about aquaman, we all just watched it for jason momoa.
Perfectly said!
Thanks for sharing his video, he really did explain it well.
Love you 😘
Oh snap Ateori I didn't expect to see you here!
A strange crossover
Anon: «Black Superheroes can only be popular and successful if they replace already established white ones!»
Black Panther: «Am I a joke to you?»
"-Don't nobody give two Amber Heards about Aqua Man."
Damn son, forrests don't throw shade like this.
👍🏻👏👏👏👏
Very true!
Ya heard?
To be fair I can't stand either one of the practices, just stuck to the source material I say.
Remember when Static Shock came out and EVERYONE was talking about it? It was so popular that DC comics bought it!
they killed a lot that way
It's genuinely hilarious how they have said these new characters can't compete with older ones yet Static is a great example. He's a fairly recent character that everybody loves, not cause of his race but his personality.
@@ninjaturtlefan2003 yeah exactly he’s a perfect original African American character. An he’s always getting lowballed.
@@hclw3589 I was to old to grow up with him but everyone into stuff I'm into that are in there 20s or younger love that character. They really should do a movie or at least a show and at least test the waters. I think it would do well.
I disagree with you. I think most of us ( when I hear them talk about it) have 2 problems.
Instead of writing a good epic black hero or Cillian. They just race change a other one. It's token casting.
Most importantly some heroes are made of their experience they had I live. Changing race, sex etc can change to much about them. Take Luke cage. Ypu make him white and not from Brooklyn and you no longer have Luke cage.
And take black Adam... Played by the rock. A Egyptian hero played by a hawian, African American....
The sad thing is that they swap the "race" of the characters, and are then told "create your own." But then when they create their own, the writers start the characters as victims of social injustice, needing to overcome that. Which is a waste of time, as opposed to overcoming personal issues. "I'm oppressed" isn't the same thing as having six different personal problems stemming from a personal flaw. Black Panther, in his initial appearance, had to wrestle with the issue of seeking vengeance, and in his movie, the tug of war between tradition and innovation. Wonder Woman was basically one rite of passage after another, as she grows up in several ways, at several key points.
"BUT THE NEW CHARACTERS WILL NEVER BE BELOVED AS THE OLD ONES!!! THAT'S WHY WE DON'T CREATE NEW ONES!!!!"
Saitama and Invincible: "Ok...."
Omni Man: You don't seem to understand. Animation isn't yours to conquer.
Yeah I find their statements to be bullshit. Heck there are lot more suphero comics and Manga characters getting more love and popularity than ever.
Think mark think
THINK SJW'S THINK!
@@toledochristianmatthew9919 100% in the anime scene there is. I swear by all that this world is made of.... If I don't get a live-action or animated Chew comic adaption this whole world can burn or freeze in whatever hell they may believe in. There are a lot of good stories, just learn to market and appeal to your audience, also good writing please. I never would have thought Castlevania would ever be something worth adapting into a show but if I wasn't shown what a fool I was.
Favorite line in this video was "No one give two Amber Hurds about Aquaman" Just, just perfect.
I know, right? Just 😚
Flawless!!!
What he meant to say was two shlts
Heard
Balls..... I like aqua man. But I get the humor behind the comment.
As Denzel once said; you can't force and legislate love and respect.
Denzel is a treasure
@@rainbowslushy223 I agree. However, the OP is off-topic - no one is “legislating” how movies are cast.
I will never understand why DC until now haven't made a green lantern movie with John Stewart as protagonist he became my favorite lantern after watching justice league unlimited
Hell Yeah! To me, John Stewart is Green Lantern! 😎
@Will N Honestly when I was a kid I only knew John Stewart as GL thanks to the Justice League show it wasn't til I started reading comics books later in life I found out who Hal Jordan and Kyle Raynor (who's my favorite) were. And I'm surprised he hasn't been in any live action movies yet
@Will N funny enought guy came first
I think they would need to start with a series or appearance in another movie to establish him with the big audience first.
WB have been handling the DCEU crap from the get go, but from what I understand there is now a movie with John Stewart in the works.
Well it's 2021, can't be making movies people would actually want to see about original black characters. That would just be lunacy! Who needs John Stewart 🤮 we have black Batwoman! 😃
I mean, can you imagine if they decided to make Blade or Spawn white?
I'd say do it just as a "fuck you"
the twitter mob would love it; that would give them enough to be frantically complaining for a month or so x)
Black Panther as a white guy
what? You thought he was black just because he's called black panther? okay racist
@@TheNo15 lmfao the discourse this decision would produce would worth lifetime supply of popcorn
Make them Asian. That'll be more interesting to see their reactions.
Man, I am a 49 years old white European, I wish you were the chief of Marvel and DC comics! I miss the 80' and 90', so much good stuff 😥
Well said.. 👏👏👏
I hear you. I think this is intentional. I think this is part of the Frankfurt school/Marxism. They WANT us not to care about art and history.
Replace history with something inferior, then people will stop paying attention to the ugly art. You see this in magazines, where ugly fat people, don't sell.
And did not force diversity they put it out there and people loved it
@@Mark_Knight it’s all a conspiracy!!!!!
I'm a 99.9% white Texan and I agree.
People are loving Miles Morales now, but that's only happening after they made him his own character, distinctly different from Peter in Spiderverse and the Spiderman games. That tells all it needs to really. Trying to replace Peter with Miles will never work, but making him his own, unique Spiderman who earns his place alongside the other Spiders works wonders
Exactly, John Stewart can work on his own so why not Val Zod or Steel.
@@ShinyGolduck5 it's from another universe.
@@adamdiablo8319 I know I just gave an example of a DC character since I'm more familiar with these comics, but yeah, if Miles can work on his own why not Val Zod or Steel.
He'll never be as popular because he is derivative
It literally comes down to putting in time and money. If you don't grind for this character, it will fail.
Diversity is not important, having a good story and characters is important.
Diversity means "taking away white people" basicly.
When I was watching blade, I don't think I even thought about how he was black. Just thought, "holy freaking crap this is totally badass." I was 14
Word! Same here. The sjw cult make people think about race. Blade was hard 💪🏼
Wesley Snipes was pretty dope in that role.
Same here, but I was in my mid 20s. We just loved Wesley Snipes in basically everything he was in because he was a legit action star. His race was just a footnote.
Those sjw are turning people racist without them knowing. I live in a country with somewhat diverse tonality on the skin color but we tend to not notice that or it is usually not important. I grew watching all these "white" and "black" people as a people. Then I learned English from different sources, including the internet. And every time I try to think in English, my brain unconsciously "loads" the stuff that I must state a race of the person.
Like a year ago I remember telling a story to my brother about another person who was badass (I don't remember the story exactly). I told that story in Spanish. Then like a couple of weeks after that I just randomly thought "how would I tell the same story in English. So I started like "ok, so there is this black dude,..." And then I immediately said to myself, "wait, WTF, why didn't I tell that he was black when I told that story in Spanish?"... Then I carefully review the whole story and , it really was not relevant to the story. It was somehow incredible because there is usually some kind of stuff related to skin color or so the media teaches us. But it really was not relevant so when I told the story in my tongue language I just left out that part, I even did not see it. When I was trying to tell that story in English, my subconscious tries to tell me that I must tell that the protagonist is black. I don't know how it happened but it happened. I blame the sjw media to have transformed my mind into a racist somehow. I try to compensate but my brain always loads labels for people. It have happened again when I watched recently avatar the last Airbender, I really just saw people but then in some forum they noted that the water tribe are black skinned and I really didn't noticed or didn't think that it was something to be noted. To me people are just people and these little differences don't change them of what I think about them, but their actions will.
Sorry for the long story. I just like to express myself and I don't know how to summarize stuff.
I wanted to be Blade as a kid, even though I'm not black. We never saw skin color, only a badass vampire hunter!
The Peter Parker & Miles Morales explanation hit the nail on the head. Iconic characters are quintessential.
I understand why they did Miles Morales with a different name...because adding the LGBT and living parents was too much of a deviation from Peter's character, but they could have had peter parker but black and that would have worked. No one sees Spidermans color in the suit, and nothing about his race is integral to him, unlike Clark Kent, whose race IS his disguise. Actually, they could've had some really good content around Peter parker being black. How the police collab with him as spiderman, yet profile and mistreat him on the street as Peter. Or how people assume spiderman white because of he talks. Or how it feels to just be a kid flying though NYC and the escapism he experiences versus the everyday racism he has to deal with. could've been good! #missedopportunity
@@Adronitis Or simply make a entire new character like Miles Morales?
@@gannielukks1811 Like I said, it's totally fine that they did that, but Peter Parker can be black and that be self-contained in his character. Miles Morales had a lot more stuff going on that made him different then Peter. It had nothing to do with race.
Everyone knows that the most #1 replacement for Spider-Man is Daredevil.
If Matt Murdock started out as a black dude, no one would have a problem.
MJ
“Don’t nobody give two Amber Heards about Aquaman.”
Me:😂💀
I didn’t realize they could make currency out of something worthless
69 likes, make a wish!
Funny, but not actually correct. Aquaman has his fans.*** Maybe not as many as Jason Mamoa, tho. Mamoa was a horrible choice for Aquaman, a more "not-Aquaman" actor they couldn't have found (and Mamoa as much said so himself--he's a really cool guy, btw). But the movie was good, imo, despite the odd casting and Aquaman not really acting or looking like himself. The giant undersea Kirby-esque monster battle more than made up for any shortcomings!
***Aquaman would still have his own title if Kelly Sue hadn't run it into the ground. He was enjoying nearly 30 years of surviving on the stands (a few restarts along the way). You don't do that if you don't have fans.
@@adrielcruz2736
Apologies, I found that funnier than I should have. xD
@@spaceknight793 Yeah, I agree. Jason Mamoa should've been Lobo. That would have been top tier casting.
Reminds me how people associate Wolverine with a 6’2 lean guy. When he’s really 5’6 jacked out of his mind.
Exactly. Built like a tank.... like a wolverine
Thank you! My kids (adults now) argue about this point. For them Hugh Jackman IS Wolverine whereas I think he was miscast. The actor playing Elliot from the the show Leverage is what Wolverine should have been.
Also, just see how people hate when Batman that was played by Ben Affleck was a killer and not so intelligent detective, we have lots of good black, asian, Latino and everything characters the problem is, people don't want to build them and they seem to forget that before the first Iron Man movie, the character was really unknown amongst most people but he became a success because guess what? He was built focused on with being a good CHARACTER not on it being a BLACK character.
Just like female characters, taskmaster in BW or captain marvel, the problem is not them being female, the problem is their whole character revolving around they being female and only that, classic Mary Sue problem but when I say that, people want to kill me
No. He's really a comic book character.
Black lightning, static shock, and John Stewart are on the shelves saying "bitch what about us?"
Atleast now were finally getting a static shock movie
dont forget the ENTIRE Dakota-verse
@@KardboardKennyAt this point Icon is yelling into a void.
But would y’all use support them through?
Anon: «Black Superheroes can only be popular and successful if they replace already established white ones!»
Black Panther: «Am I a joke to you?»
Becoming iconic takes time and effort. But these people want it now.
So true. It's one of the biggest flaws with our modern entertainment now.
That's the problem with immediate gratification. Like they are in a rush to be recognized.
With characters already made can’t come up with anything new
It doesn't really take that much, one good story, and some decent follow ups. that's why I hope that the Ms. Marvel Show does well and stays clear of the Woke tropes and instead focuses on character development, preferably in a way that makes her more than just a Peter Parker clone like she is in most the of the comics. I don't really mind some social issues blended in, it's often what made my favorite shows like Star Trek popular in the first place, but the way that it has begun increasingly taking away from individual character development in place of group identity in the last 10-20 years, just makes for poor storytelling
I don't get why they don't make Static Shock. They just got full rights and he was extremely popular when we were kids. Every 90's and early 2000's kid knows who Statistic is and his back story revolves around gang and police violence that are pertinent now. It would be an easy sell.
6:37 "Here's a tip Dan [Slott]; if you change the character from what they originally were, then it's not the character people love and they won't like it."
Which is why so many movies and comics fail when you attempt to high jack the audience. It might have worked if your movie or comic was the only game in town, but that is not the case any more. You highjack Superman or Captain America and I’ll just go watch or read something else. And as we have heard back issues are selling well today, just showing that you can still read Marvel or DC comics, but some people are just reading things they passed on decades ago.
To reiterate the point I've been making for years: yes, you CAN have a black dude with Kryptonian DNA with heat vision, flight, super strength, etc. who puts on his own costume and starts getting called Superman. Totally fine. What you CANNOT HAVE is a black dude named Kal El who disguises himself as mild-mannered, Smallville-born, Metropolis-based Daily Planet reporter Clark Kent.
Personally, I accept Miles Morales as Spiderman without complaint and judge his story based on its own merit. Why? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CALL HIM PETER PARKER. Instead of stealing a character for their ethnic group, they WROTE A NEW ONE. IMAGINE THAT. Is Miles Morales THE Spiderman? No. Is he THE BEST Spiderman? Probably not, but he is his OWN character and I say he deserves a completely fair shot.
These assholes who are literally stealing characters for their race politics though? Those fuckwads can go swim in a landfill while I set it on fire. QUIT THAT SHIT.
exactly? Right? John Stewart is a Green Lantern, same as Hal Jordan is a Green Lantern, but don't make Hal Jordan Polynesian, because he's not. As someone else said in the comments, these SJWs "dont want A Superman, they want THE Superman" Write a new character and develop them from the ground up. Imagine if they wanted to find a white T'Challa as Black Panther.
Exactly. I love using Miles Morales as an example about appropriate representation.
Also argue that there could be black kryptonians just they don't need to make Clark Kent black.
Well said
2099 and Noir are far more compelling characters than fucking Miles or any other spider-esque character. On top of that, Miles is just Peter but Black and Puerto Rican. Same interest in science, same type of jokes, same type of archetype. It's the same shit nothing new or interesting for that matter.
@@anthonygarcia8749 Perhaps, but Miles at least has the chance to go his own way and do his own thing instead of literally repeating Peter's story by stealing his name and all the names of every important character in Peter's life. Noir and 2099 are fair characters as well; I have no problem with them either.
This kind of reminds me of a Seinfeld episode
Jerry: He’s like Bizarro Superman. He lives in Bizarro world, he says “hello” when he leaves, “goodbye” when he arrives.
Elaine: Does he live underwater?
Jerry: No.
Elaine: Is he Black?
Jerry: No!
Wouldn't he say, Badbye?
badhello
@@anthonybernero9720 that's evil
"ICON is openly conservative."
That's why they didn't use him.
As someone who isn’t familiar with the character, could you please tell me how he is conservative?
@@TheStonewall117 I'm not familiar either, I just enjoy listening to people like JSG while I do something in the background.
But, I still went out to do bare minimum research. Depending on which source you look at, he's either a "conservative lawyer" (dc.fandom.wikia) or is "criticized as a 'sell out' or 'white washed'" because of his job and his "'proper' way of speaking" (en.wikipedia). But to give wikipedia some credit, they add that he does things by-the-book instead of acting on instinct. So I guess being a law-abiding citizen with an upper-class job and not wanting to rely too much on his metahuman powers is what makes him a conservative. 🤷♀️
His comic stories show that he’s a Republican, and his conservative ideals come into ideological conflict with his sidekick Rocket, who is a liberal. The two of them disagree on certain issues, but they work their issues out and focus on saving lives. There’s even a subplot where black activists call him a sellout for mainly stopping black criminals (in a majority black city) and call him an “oreo”. Icon is confused when one of the activists says that he doesn’t “sound black”, asks Rocket about it, and then tears into that phrase after Rocket explains what it means.
Basically if Icon were faithfully adapted, he would receive the same level hatred and racism from progressives online and in the media that many real black conservatives and Republicans (e.g.: Candace Owens, Larry Elder) currently face.
Icon only looks black, he's actually a non-human alien whose form is the result of an automatic life-support process. He doesn't identify with black humans, and as soon as he realized what the dominant culture was, he joined it (facing some racism, but quickly overcoming it with his intelligence, determination, and lack of cultural/racial "baggage"). He eventually became rich.
@@stevenscott2136 Jesus christ all that progressivism and politics sounds so fucking based
As the best vampire slayer once said, there's always some m*f$cker trying to ice skate uphill.
And that describes what is happening with the comic industry perfectly
Killed myself laughing the first time I heard that. RIP Blade.
What the hell did that even mean?
@@Kragar01 I believe it means some people always take the easy route to success. In this case, instead of creating a new character with their own unique backstory and powers/abilities, they dip the existing popular character in a new skin/gender and expect people to embrace it... good luck with that.
@@StrongandGrand but the phrase doesn’t make sense in that context, wouldn’t the easy route be Ice skating Down hill not up it?
The phrase in general made no sense to me back when he said it in the 90’s
I remember back when character development in comics was more important then what race/gender/sexual identity they are. Creatively bankrupt writers are why things are the way they are now. No patience or willingness to put in the work of actually creating a character and watching them grow organically.
We already had a black superman back in '08! His name was Hancock and he needs a sequel!
Oh fuck yeah, I would love to see it.
Ooh....I would go to theatres to watch it!!!
Lmao that movie was awsome
Will Smith is great in everything I've seen him in, including his brief appearance as himself sharing wisdom with Ben Affleck's character in "Jersey Girl." I liked the mysterious origin given in Hancock by Charlize Theron's character. I like seeing a creative spin like Hancock on the superhero genre. It deserved a sequel.
Yeah
"I don't care that he's black, I just don't want him to BE black!"
- LongBeachGriffy
Can I ask which video that was from?
ruclips.net/video/EhKFv92JGqM/видео.html
Thank u my good sure or ma am
Yeah black it's not a personality
that’s hypocritical. being black should be apart of the character why? bc if they are human then being black gives way to stories abt struggle, hardships, and community. so BEING black and being black shouldn’t be separated.
It's when you can't come up with any new and original ideas, so you have to rewrite already existing characters and tell a worse story.
they can, but its already rotten because its baked in a soggy crust of social justice politics. people will stick around awhile if its an already established franchise, due to love of the franchise, but will eventually leave when they get sick and tired of being preached at by the writers. a new concept, people turn away immediately.
A story can be bad without being woke, but you can take the best stories in the world, add wokeness, and it will destroy them.
Need I cite examples?
@@andyz2861 the dark tower, they fucked it all up, had to cut a really good part of the story by making the gunslinger black, the more fucked up part is that this replacing white characters is dress reherssal for genocide
@@someperson7622 you know when someone says race swapping is literally genocide basically everything that’s a part of this topic is invalid.
@@andyz2861 what examples?
I feel like Storm should have been mentioned here. She's a main character in the X-men who has been around since the 70s, and has actually succeded as being one of the most popular x-men, possibly the 2nd most pupular infact (just behind wolverine). She's a solid proof that a well written black woman CAN be a sucessfull and well loved character.
But.. he did mention her?
The reason that Superman and Batman wear trunks is because their original costumes were based off of circus strongmen and professional wrestlers of the era. And wrestlers of that era usually had 'trunks' on the crotch area of their tights.
Yes, many people don’t realize that. It’s natural for different artists of different eras to make subtle changes for stylistic reasons or because they are easily and more quickly drawn or animated, such as how many stripes Captain America has on the front of his shirt or none on the back. Removing the trunks from Superman, however, just looks off....you can’t help noticing that something is missing.
@@brentoutashape9141 Wanna know the funny thing? As soon as I got used to Superman being without his trunks, they added them back.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 You're welcome. I've actually been sitting on that explanation since 2014 and never had a chance to use it until now.
@@ChrisSuperDude totally unrelated, but I just thought about using the same “athletic apparel” concept for modern superhero clothes, and it occurred to me that Superman might have a Nike swoosh on the suit somewhere
@@brentoutashape9141 Don't go saying that or they might remove the "S" and use a Nike symbol.
I love all of the hidden racism that comes with these arguments. 'Superman needs to be black so I can look up to him.' Ok cool so the morality and character that is Superman, can't be followed because he's the wrong color? Solid logic. 'Hey listen I would look up to you, but you're not black. No no you're a good guy and all, you're just not black enough for me to follow your example...'
And I must honestly ask...as a white male, am I not allowed to look up to black heroes OR blacks in real life? Can I not want to play basketball like Jordan? Can I not want to model my comic/movie career after Kevin Grevioux? Can I not want to learn about science like Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Should I look at them and say, 'wow, you guys are incredible...but... You're not white...'
Good point Pyrus :)
I hate to do this but your impeccable, solid logic that we should look to the individual and not superficial exploits is dangerous and must be deemed HATE SPEECH! Fall to your knees and beg for forgiveness now (by making a donation to BLM) or feel the wrath of the woke mob!
Wait but following their logic, we couldn't look up to almost any superheroes since, in Superman's case we are not aliens unlike him.
@@twentyfivemelody exactly. That's why their logic fails
I would have looked up to Mother Teresa.
But i am not a woman🙈
"Hey! We want more representation!"
"Okay how about this: instead of creating more original characters with personal flaws and goals relatable to anyone irregardless of their skin color, we're going to take our most iconic heroes and change their race."
"Sounds good."
P.S. I WISH we would get a John Stewart movie
A John Stewart movie would be great, who knows, maybe we'd get a decent Green Lantern film.
But just because it's trendy, according to these people, let's swap John Stewart's race. Y'know, 'cos muh skin color.
sounds perfect considering the bombshell that was Ryan Reynold's Hal Jordan.
It is forced and people hate it because of that factor. And thus we are called bigots.
We will probably never see a good movie about someone like John Stewart or Bishop or any character like that for the same reason he talked about in this video. These racists that run these studios don't believe that an original black character can ever be popular on their own.
Guy was a marine before becoming a Green Lantern, that right there can gove you an awesome setup right there. "His ring is low on power, he's behind enemy lines and surrounded. He improvises, adapts, and overcomes the obstacles using simple shots on his ring to use the environment against his enemies" that right there would be an awesome 5-15 minute battle scene against the bad guys making it creative and cool.
As a white guy, I honestly think Momoa was one of the best portrayals of Aquaman. He fit the mantle perfectly because he is what I would imagine Aquaman, even down to the skin tone.
See, I would expect Aquaman to look like a badass from Samoa or Hawaii and not an American from the mainland. I don't know, it just makes sense to me.
However this black superman shit is awful.
@@jakestone35 No, no. Go back under the bridge, Mr. Troll. There is no toll for you to take here.
then again momoa is a white guy, so hollywood may swapped his style and cultural looks but not his skin and base looks. He got the things spot on there including facial hairs.
i would also expect clark kent to look like a blue space monkey from avatar.... but here we are
I think it’s different when it’s done with artistic purpose (hence why Momoa as Aquaman might work)
What bothers me is mindlessly race swapping characters for the sake of real life politics instead of doing it for the sake of the story.
The idea that DC/WB is willing to toss aside the beautiful, buff, and very talented Henry Cavil in his prime blows my mind. He is Superman.
he is now hyperion
I don't think he's all that great a Superman. He's alright, but he could have done better.
I'd rather have an American Superman.
@Shimaz Munshi i mean i only want American actors to play superman
@@specialnewb9821 You bigot! Aliens come from all over the planet! ... wait...
Couldn't have said it better myself! Glad you popped up in my recommended because I just subscribed!
This tbh
Same
Same. His vids started popping into my recommended and that was an instant subscribe for me.
Same
Couldn't have said it better myself. As a Hispanic, I never cared about what color the characters were.. I only cared about the kind of stories they were telling.
Yeah. That's why the SJW/LGBT/Race crowd thinks that having those traits makes a character good. Character doesn't measure that.
You must have been pleased as punch when you got to see the ethnic diverse last terminator film it had do do with a Mexican getting killed off
@@brianlindee1285 Yes a Mexican Terminator and a Mexican girl promoted to the savior of the human race, replacing John Connor. As Mexican myself I don't care for this SJW bs. In the end Hollywood is just creating more animosity by trying to force engineer society, but the real forces that create culture in each community won't change by their pathetic attempts.
@@TheSololobo Very well said. 👍👌
Mirror characters are important but they need to be coherent.
I'm mexican but i'm a güero, so i feel more with white ones like Peter Parker or Hal Jordan, however i love El Tigre, he is Mexican (Brown) but with his essence, his identity.
HE IS NOT MEXICAN TOKEN VERSION OF NO ONE...
MANNY RIVERA ITS EL TIGRE.
so these same people would be ok with rebranding Lando from Star Wars as an Asian man, or even white? As the video said, some characters are ICONS and should not be touched.
Man, I just want a good Static Shock remake. He was a kickass character
Well, DC threw him into the hands of Vita Ayala, so that's not going to happen anytime soon. They hate their fans and disrespect their IPs so much I don't even know why I hold out hope.
they did already. And was awful
@@pedrocc2624 I said Good.
@@TeleologicalConsistency this is what happened on the new remade comics. He was turned into a mutant because he was in a BLM protest and there were white supremacists fighting against them. So every villain now, instead of having personal reasons and character development now are just racists
Agree
Ah yes Red Sonya
The character knows for having black hair
Fucking genius
Maybe she is a communist now?
@@MegaDeathRay10 I'd laugh my ass off if she was now Russian and this was during the Russian revolution lol
Don't forget Tan Boleyn.
Nah I'm sure that 5 foot nothing pancake with black hair is going to portray Red Sonja perfectly.
I feel that if someone really likes a character then they won't even think or mention race or sex
Exactly...
Yukari is my spirit animal
If someone really likes a franchise they also don't talk a lot about superficial aspects like the race or sex of characters. That kind of nitpicking is something you do when you don't like/care about it.
When Blade came out, plenty of folks talked about him, but nobody focused on how black he is.
Case and point, if you read the script for "Alien" all seven characters have no gender, just rank. And that crew dynamic is still unmatched., I think.
I have been trying to articulate this issue for years! You just laid it out *PERFECTLY* in just over 10 minutes.
Thank you!
“Nobody gives two Amber Heards!” Made my beer come out my nose. Funny and slightly painful. Now all I can smell is hops!
Lol 🤣🤣 ow.
*Doesn't he mean "Amber Turds"!?*
“Ain’t nobody give two Amber Heard’s about Aquaman” dying lol
I hate the "they would have to compete" argument. John Stewart is a beloved DC character, with a favorable history, and they have done jack squat with him on the big screen.
That is because "compete" in this context is corporate doublespeak for "do so well we can justify using only this character to milk a lot of money with low overhead expenses and zero talent"
They want as few comics/movies/games as they can manage to make more money this year than last year, in perpetuity. That is why they take established (safe) brands, pump them with artificial diversity and try to sell them as the next big thing.
My favorite Green Lanturn. By far. Not only did he start as a Marine but he is one of the very few no bull characters in dc.
Makes me mad too!
@@jaystreet4004 instead we got that awful movie with Ryan Reynolds :(
it's a lie. It's a political message adressed to white people that's it. You take a symbol and your tear it down. Because somehow society could'nt be at peace and we could not all live together without declaring some sort of war to each other. It's a cultural war, still a war.
I guess I'm old, but when you said the "real" Superman, I was expecting to see an image of Christopher Reeve.
No, George Reeves. (Because I'm even older.)
Same!
@@AllenUry The one and only.
Most want to see Christopher Reeve, that's why they casted Cavil I imagine.
I am half hispanic, and I enjoy peter parker Spiderman. I am also a fan of El Zorro. Its not the race but quality characters that build a fan base.
I’m Japanese and I love El Zorro 🤣
You see we Hispanics evolved. We went from criminals who fought tyrants in California by putting our Z everywhere. And now were the Los Zetas putting our Z's in every bathroom stall.
As a Hispanic I have this weird urge to graffiti everything with my markings!
ZZZZZZZZZ
@@Chihiro-Kikuchi Not gonna lie, the Zorro anime has an amazing opening.
Yes.
That exists.
I'm white asf...used to watch the Zorro movies as a kid like twice a week lol
He eats tacos on rooftops
Lol black panther fans:yay first black character on screen ever🤪
Spawn in deep loathing voice: I'd like to have a word with you
Blade too
@@namishusband818 I known spawn is just my tavern comic book hero in general
Errrm no I'm a black Panther fan but I knew about Blade and Spawn.
@@admirekashiri9879 it's a joke. There were many celebrities and high profile holleywood types and the twitterati types toting as though is was the first and only.
Can't forget about Steel.
When I was playing the Mutants and Masterminds RPG a few years back I had a Black Character called Scrap Pile, he was a Black automotive Engineer in Detroit that lost his son to a Gang shoot out, he used his resources at his automotive career and materials recovered from abandoned cars in Detroit to make a Supersuit that looked as random as someone would imagine. He never named himself but the Gangs he was arresting referred to him as The Scrap Pile. He was hardline on a no killing policy because many of the people he arrests were his sons age. It took me all of a night to make a new idea for a Black character and I'm just some random dude.
That is a pretty solid backstory and motivation for a character.
That's one hell of a character, man
I’d read this. Sounds like a good story.
In training I had a guy in my unit who had the hairstyle, square jaw, and all the looks of Superman (except he wore glasses). We naturally called him Clark Kent. That character is so iconic you can actually use his name as a physical reference
Yeah. I agree about Clark Kent. We had a guy at school who looked thay way and we called him that. I do think you can race swap other characters without having an issue tho. The point of Clark Kent is he blends in, unassuming into the crowds of Metripolis. The American ideal on the outside, alien on the inside. His whiteness IS his disguise, black superman would never work. The police would never collab with him and trust him the way they do white superman. Miles Morales does work tho, b/c Spidermans skin color is not integral to the character or disguise. and it's never shown in his suit.
@@Adronitis that's actually a really good point
@@autumneagle it's really not...
@@hehexd5317 please explain
@@Adronitis
Ever seen the movie with Will Smith called Hancock? The police worked with him even though he started out a useless drunk.. he never turned white but his mannerisms and approach to people changed towards the end of the movie.
He started talking and acting in the respectful manner actual superman would and people treated him there after.
SJWs: "Its hard to compete with established characters" Anime & Manga: "Is it really?" Of course you have to actually create good characters and stories which I suspect is the real problem here.
Yea, the "diverse" characters they keep coming up with are just thoroughly unlikeable and terrible characters or just plain boring, and that's largely because the people creating and writing them keep making the same mistake of putting their personal beliefs first and not even bothering to develop the characters - they're literally just mouthpieces for the writers to preach their politics through.
COUGHsafespacesnowflakeinternetgasCOUGH
Dude its laziness. These writers don't wanna try to write a new character that has to stand on their own. Especially if it's a POC, why is it that Spawn who was a completely new character is more relatable than Calvin Ellis Superman or even Mz Marvel. Because people don't wanna actually put in the effort of make new shit, they wanna ride on the coattails of already established charecters.
@@TheBloodGamePL In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with making token characters being the central focus. The issue is that there's nothing more than that. The only defining trait of those token characters is their tokenism. It's never built on it.
Even most modern anime/manga are making this mistake with some of the characters, which is why none have become memorable or talked about after the conclusion of their story.
Still, anime and manga have done it better because the relationship is actually a key focus to the story whether it is a shrinking violet trying to change or something more like a yuri relationship between two characters.
See how much effort Marvel put into making The Sentry into a major character? The same can be done for any non-white, non-male character. They know it can be done. It just seems easier to put that non-white non-male into Cap, Iron Man, or Thor's shoes.
Spawn is one of my favorite characters of all time and I genuinely don't even think about the fact that he's black. Cause his story doesn't shove his race in your face. It's a story of vengeance, pain, and overcoming your own evil. That's a story anyone can love, regardless of race.
Love that movie
Omg I thought I was the only one who remembered Spawn.
The live action was bleh but the comic was bomb!
That and he was voiced by Keith David, one of the most bada** sounding voice/actors in media.
I felt very similar with Into the Spiderverse cuz the whole time I was engrossed in the story as that is what made the movie great. On top of the multitude of established Spider(men?/Spiderfolk?) were in the movie. I saw Miles as "The new guy on the block" the normal guy taking up the role of Spider-Man and the movie emphasised this as a journey for him and development. He wasn't Peter Parker raceswapped or anything and all the characters are in the comics. At least Marvel can put effort into it instead of DC saying "Let's make Clark Kent black cuz our reboot isn't doing well" cuz it's the laziest form of pandering in writing.
Sorry for the rant 😅
Except that one time he ends up in the South after an "adventure" with Angela. But yeah, Spawn is someone anyone can relate to, I love that character.
"Otherwise they remain a sidekick"
'Black panther enters the chat'
"Don't nobody give two Amber Heards about Aquaman!" I laughed so hard when that hit!
It’s like if you tried to race swap the characters from Akira and made Tetsuo and Kaneda white, it wouldn’t work. Their Japanese identity is a defining trait of their characters. Their history and environment have shaped their personalities and a large part of their issues comes from their Japanese heritage.
To be fair most people on twitter wouldn't be able to tell the difference between light skinned asians and white european
@@randomsmuck312 its hilarious seeing people swap color palletes from gyaru's or lightly tanned characters to pure white saying they fixed it because they being slightly brown was race appropriation and everyone's like "why you make the asian whiter than snow".
@@randomsmuck312 Truthfully they can't tell the difference, I play a lot of otome games (visual novels that usually focus on romance, drama and slice of life) many of the characters, unless stated otherwise, are fair-skinned Japanese men and women or are at least based on the general population of Japan. I have, no joke, seen twitards blow a gasket over how there's a "lack of diversity" in these games and lots of fan art depicting "race swapping" that are being presented as "fixes" of the characters. Which imho is basically blackwashing Asian characters because they're being perceived as "white" by these Twitter nutjobs. -_-
Edit: I'm going to point out, I have nothing wrong with fan art of characters, even though I personally don't like race-swapping there's not much harm to it if it's done in fun. But when you claim that the character is "fixed" because you decided to make them blackcor what have you is when you sink into some pretty disgusting territory.
@@BrightWulph Ah, the Gatekeepers of Melanin. I've heard about them.
@@eccemono6534 Yep, best not to interact with them...no idea where they've been, who knows what they've picked up...
As a straight dude I would absolutely go see a movie called "Big Sexy" with Jason Momoa
And I would *absolutely* expect it to be hilarious. 😆
@@countvonjestershank1696
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hail lobster
@@0023Pr 🤘
I watched Magic Mike all the way through and never got over half-chub. That's as straight as it gets, folks!
The biggest problem is we live in a world where people all too easily generalize. From that lazy action comes most of the problems we have relating to one another. When you focus on the good role models of people in your life and not some guy on the news you understand that it's very easy to get caught up in the nonsense and forget that at the end of the day everyone is human and we are unique and not just the basic color of our skin. I am reminded of that everytime I go to a concert and see others from other races there as well. We are connected and it's the ones that try to divide us that are the true enemy. Not some random black/white/etc person...
9:43 Mr. Robson basically said "it's so hard building ones own wealth while competing with rich people, so we should just steal from them"
socialism in a nutshell
These lunatics are just making excuses for being lazy.
Collectivism isn't just Economic, it's racial as well. Always a waste tho
"Its not the 60s anymore"
Then make new characters??? I get comic book writers today typically lack imagination and creativity, but c'mon now
Socrates was said to have said, “The only thing I know is that I know nothing.” Recognizing ignorance and one’s own inability requires a degree of intellect. Far easier to blame others rather than grow and mature as an individual.
Exactly. Bring on the different, as long as it's handled well and not ridiculed by incompetent numbskulls.
Let’s all reflect on the fact that the modern marvel film phenomenon started with the Blade trilogy, and lets all remember just how much everyone loved/loves those movies.
If the problem is popularity then how did marvel manage to make billion dollar movies from d list characters? I mean how many peopleknew about guardians of the Galaxy, ant man and the wasp, black widow, Thor Hawkeye, and so on until the marvel movies? They just don't want to work hard. And saying they can't make new franchises? Pfft please look at Japan a new manga is always being released and it catches people's attention.
@@authornikkih8266 The model that Marvel studios use is every movie and show is of high quality and in cannon with each with always tieing into something coming next. This basically means that every film they make has to be good. In fact, needs very good. There really are only like 2 or 3 actually bad marvels. They are in fact also are making new Franchises. They have several.
All of this has nothing to do with DC though. DC films do not have the structure to promote their next film try to do more riskier ideas.
In Japan, the vast majority of Mangas fail and there is a shockingly little amount of money in mangas and most creators make barely any money.
@@AL-lh2ht you make a good point, I know it's not by force for DC to copy marvel but when you have an entire universe worth of characters you have to make it work somehow. Why blackwash when you can bring to life old black characters or create new ones. Yes tons of manga fail in Japan because they just don't cut it, you need to grab the audiences' attention.
@@authornikkih8266 it’s true, none of the members of the avengers have historically been able to hold a continuous series much past issue 50. Most modern fans don’t even realize how close Tony Stark was to becoming an outright villain in the comics right before the first Iron Man film released.
And the fact that Marvel simply don't give a shit for Blade despite that. He didn't even have his own comic for some years now.
It is also ignoring a lot of facts about the black experience. I'm half black, half latina (looking white, what can one do) but I can assure you that my experience of life is quite different to that of a white woman in my country, or a white man, or a black man. So, if we put young Clark in a black family growing up his experience would be vastly different to the one of a white young Clark. There are nuances of the black experience of life that are different to those of a white man and that is a fact. Black mothers are different to white mothers, there's a cultural thing that is simply different and we can't deny it. I'm not saying better or worse but certainly different. So a black Clark/superman wouldn't have a reason to be the same as a white Clark/superman. They would have had vastly different life experiences and that would make them different people. Race does influence the things you have access to, the music you listen to, the friends you have, the family dynamics you live, it's cultural. My latina family is very different to a white family and to a black family too. What we eat, what we do together or don't do together, the expectations, the opportunities...it's all different. So assuming that it's the same is completely erasing the black experience, the black culture, the black in general. They think race is just a matter of skin color and it is not. The "color blindness" in regards to people erases the individual experiences of the different cultural groups and it is not acceptable, not inclusive and truly not diverse. Same as queer-swaping characters. My experience as a bisexual woman is not the same as the experience of a lesbian woman, a transwoman... a man, a bi-man, a gay man or a trans man. It is not! So this swapping only clickbaits people but continues to erase the true diversity that we're supposed to aim for.
That's a long ass comment and deserves at least to be recognised, so Kudos to you miss.
Cry about it
Good argument, ma'am. Very well reasoned, and I cannot but agree with you.
Couldn't agree more. I'm half black, half latina too, but I was raised as a black kid. My mom was a latina who completely cut off her heritage and family. So I have no knowledge on that side, I don't even know what they look like! I grew up in a predominately black environment. I've always identified myself as black instead of mixed because that was the race I was always associated as by others as well as myself, and still till this day, I still am. I sometimes wonder what my life would be like if I had grown up with my mom's side of the family, and in her environment. Would my personality change? Would my life be better or worse than what it is now? Who knows.
Why people think latino is a race tho?
Latino is like a lot of different races mixed together xD
2:34 i mean that wasnt the case with John Stewart..
hell, even alot of people consider him to be their main GL instead of Hal or Kyle. why? because he's a well written character and is pretty iconic as well, especially in the DCAU
So true I grew up watching the Justice League cartoon, he was the first Green Lantern I saw it wasn't till later that I found out that there was more. But he was still Green Lantern to me. It was to the point I refused to watch the Green Lantern movie with Ryan Renalds, because he wasn't the Green Lantern I liked.
He's still the main GL for me, has always been
I though so when i was Kid...
But when i readed the comics i released Hal its always the center of the Green Lantern stuff...
However, i love to see Hal and John as a Police dio Just on Space.
And he's a lot more interesting a personality than Hal Jodan.
@Shimaz Munshi green lantern with GUN
I never understood the whole "i need to see someone like me to be compelled"
I don't need to see myself on every character, i read stuff to feel like them, not to feel like me
Yeah I've always considered that a fucked up perspective to have, you'd really have to be emotionally immature or stunted to refuse to connect to a well written and delivered character simply because they aren't your race/gender, how childish and petty can someone be?
So if I viewed myself as trash does that mean the charector is trash? Doesn't make sense at all when they try to change the charectors for u to feel yourself which is complete bs sometimes
If your race was consistently underrepresented or even missing from the list of most notable heroes, you may start to notice. It's not able relating to individual characters, it's about a lack of representation in a form of media that is supposed to represent the ideals of humanity. Not being there send the message that you might not be ideal and we know media has a profound effect on human development.
It's a bit disingenuous to speak on something you've never experienced nor can relate to.
The top 7 most popular heroes are white, hell the top 20 probably are. You'll probably also find that white people occupy the greater percentage of the more powerful and influential heroes.
All the people comparing blade and black panther to Superman should have a sense of shame.
bollywoodtonic.com/7-most-popular-superheroes-in-2021/
@@FBvio Well as a black person, I do think we need more representation in media, but making a already existing character black all of a sudden just sounds stupid to me. It just seems so forced. Why not make an original black character? Why not make an original black character with their own ideals and character instead of literally a copy and paste of an existing one but make them black? The thought of it just sounds so forced and stupid tbh.
What matters are values, behavior and relations(hips) / interactions. And those aren't bound by looks.
"Let people talk long enough and they'll eventually tell the truth...."
I like that quote.
"I said the real superman" *Christopher Reeve*
"Don't nobody care two Amber Heards about Aquaman!" had me rolling.
@Goblin Squatch how heard where you laughing?
@@igorabdoaguilar9331 underrated reply. Nice.
The Spider-bukake line did it for me.
"I said the real super ma-"
*shows Christopher Reeves*
Perfection
Reeve, not Reeves.
Laughs in Tim Daly
The Superman I grew up with.
@@generalstaal7075 Laughs in George Newbern, but Daly is good too.
The ironic part, is that the first one he showed(Tyler Hoechlin) is a much better Superman than Cavil.
Even if there was no change, just the fact that JJ Abrams' name is linked is enough to avoid this bomb.
His career needed to end yesterday.
@@Tyler_W it was confirmed long before the Superman news, and since he already introduced Finn (who started as one of the best characters in the sequel trilogy to get worse with every sequel) I'm thinking that J. J. Abrams thinks that a black lead equals to a good product, which is obviously not true.
@@Tyler_W Coates? That guy who made Red Skull based on Jordan Peterson? Lol, no thanks.
Yup
Or - perhaps more apposite: "Give a man a mask, and he'll tell you the truth", as Oscar Wilde wisely observed.
If race doesn’t matter to a character make black panther, blade, spawn, and static white and see how people react
Black panther was made for african representation so having a white person play as african inspired culture/character would be disrespectful,tho seeing a white black panther would be abit interesting if re imagined completely in some kind of way
@@mikoartz5006 it would be an Oof but you k ow there are white people in afrian culture it's not only one race it it my dude plus wich African culture is it representing there are many like Zulu,kokai sorry if I spelt it wrong and some other ones theres not only one culture in Africa
@@mikoartz5006 African and Black are not mutually inclusive. There are lots of non-black native Africans and there are tons of non-African blacks.
@@TheRealUncleScar Africans can be white?
@@mikoartz5006 There's more than black and white. Why would you instantly assume he/she ment white?
To elaborate on Carthographers statement, just look at the Amazigh, a people of 'lightly' pigmented complexure that are native to Africa.
Imagine getting a biographical movie made about you, and the casting race swapped the person playing you, for no other reason than "just because".
Why can I see this happening.
@@catandrobbyflores Because as Just Some Guy pointed out BBC already did that to Anne Boleyn? Queen of England married to Henry the 8th turned her black... oh and Hamilition stage play did that to white US founding fathers so much so people think they really were black?
Jet black Anne Boylen was just idiotic. Don't these fools know they're not pleasing black people or anybody else by pulling this kind of crap? Anne was a cute (for the Renaissance) ginger. Brothers like gingers too man! Plus it's real life and she was white. Duh.
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@@ZE0Shadow To be fair Morgan Freeman could read the ingredients off a zit cream and it would sound epic.
I just want Static Shock to get more attention, his show was great, we need more build on characters like him
They should make static shock white since race swapping is cool now 🙄
. I miss the days when "nerd" culture was actual nerd culture. It feels like comics and a ton of sci-fi/fantasy genre stories are being co-opted by political groups trying to push a message.
And also, I have characters who have black skin but they don’t look like me
I want my OCs to be well known someday but I get scared that people will be pissed because they don’t look like black people
They are just my OCs in a fictional world
They have some stuff related to reality must most stuff is fictional
Racism is a thing but it’s not as big as in real life, it’s almost not a thing
But specieism is
Discriminating against other species in my world exists because of ranks and other stuff
Humans are seen as the superior ones
And even in history, there is fictional
I’m not gonna add this woke stuff and have it drown in politics
Same for my OCs
"Y'all don't give two Amber Heards about Aquaman" Bro, I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣
What a lot of people fail to understand is that characters are not created iconic. They become iconic over time. So if they want to make iconic black characters they just have to put in the time, effort, talent and resources. Spawn is a testament to that. If you race swap established white characters then all you get is "the black [blank]". The iconic white character remains as the foundation because the blackness isn't inherent only cosmetic.
@Gentleman Murk that’s because none of them had the reach, money, and effort put into the icons. A character made in 1920 will inherently have an advantage over one made any later than the 60s. On top of that, by then, you have to rely on filling a niche that is just profitable enough and well made, so that people will flock to support the product, a feat that should be far easier in the modern day. If we had well written games and movies specifically about these characters and others like them, they could be massively successful and push them to mainstream if marketed properly.
I am a white girl from Southeastern Europe, I grew up on Batman cartoons and he was my favorite hero. Whenever I see Batman I imagine his words being spoken like Kevin Conroy.
One of my favorite X-Man has always been Nightcrawler.
So their analogy of someone must be looking like you to have connection to character is dumb.
I loved Nightcrawler because he looked like a monster and was always attacked because of it, but he remained one of the most humane mutants who never lost faith in people.
One of my favorite X-Man stories is "God Loves, Man Kills" by C. Claremont (male writer)
I completely agree I've been able to relate to batman and I'm not rich or white I've also related to rogue from the x-men animated series and I'm not a female it's all an emotional connection cause we're not machines we feel to understand and connect with the world seeing is a beautiful bonus but can also be turned into something ugly by the wrong people unfortunately.
I agree with you but I do think chars who looked like us helps. Especially kids. Imagine being a black kid and all you have on media are rappers and that's it. There's no popular black character. Asians and white people do have that extra connection with chars because they look like them that helps them.
@@Drake00000010 While it is true that representation is important, these people take it to extremes and operate under the premise that a character can't be relatable until they share some similar characteristic with a particular viewer. And there's the problem. If we rely on superficial details to make a character relatable then we've lost the character's humanity.
I fucking love nightcrawler !
@@stewartmullings1552 I don't think they're taking it that extreme. Consistently seeing that your race isn't among the strongest, smartest, most powerful people in these universes sends a powerful message that has been spread for a long time.
Miles Morales was important in that regard because Pete's always been the comic guy's hero. Looked down on, appears weak, misunderstood the characterisation of a comic book reader in some ways but he posses amazing will and inner strength and is endearing when you start getting to know him. It's really nice to see Marvel show that this could be a black guy too.
I can see why it feels like something's being taken away from you but we've had decades of celebrating the American standard in our heroes. I don't think it's so bad to show that heroes can come in different shapes, sizes, skin tones and religions.
I wish there were more youtubers and people in society that had common sense and better values such as this video. I am thankful for your content! 😁
''Why is my oc that has been built in 1 week not already recognise like that character with 30 years of history?!''
I'm on the same way.
Blade isn't really new in comics and he became pretty big hit. He got his own movie trilogy long before one of the iconic characters in comics.
This just shows if done well, even minor characters can sell like superman or Batman. Yeah they might not be so iconic, they need time to develop but it's not impossible. They are just lazy.
*"I only like characters like me."*
-- "Not" a Supremacist
*"We don't actually want to do the work."*
-- Dan, Eddie, et al.
there's a saying about 'not learning from your mistakes, and history repeating itself'...at this point im rooting for these studios/comics to continue on their self-destructive path, cause that means we should eventually get back to good storytelling with great characters
Also the saying, doing the same things and expecting different results.
And hopefully one universe
i want them to self-destruct because toy soy boys are the most annoying people on the planet!
I imagine a black superman movie would be executed with exactly the same level of finesse as supergirl's tv series
it's honestly impressive that lazy writing keeps getting rewarded with millions in profits
They won't do icon because of exactly what you said, hes openly Conservative🤣🤣🤣
Dwayne McDuffie is rolling in his grave 😔😔😔
reminds me of the first time i saw a black Santa decoration when i was like 5. i was like "that's rly weird" having no idea what racism is. I didn't have a judging bone in my body but the aesthetic was so off to me because i have never seen a black Santa before going to Milwaukie.
And it's that disconnect of the pop cultural zeitgeist that people find jarring. It's those years of establishing brand recognition that people come to expect.
That's the affect of white privilege
I’ve been seeing the topic of race swapping coming up more and more due to actors/actresses such as Halle Bailey being cast as Ariel and Keke Palmer being a popular fan cast as Rogue by a lot of people. I wanted to see other peoples opinions on it. But your take has by far been the best that I've heard and wholeheartedly agree on, your point "If you change the character from what they originally were, then it's not the character people love and they won't like it." is exactly what I think, if you change what people already know and love it'll cause a problem. Like you said, it'll bother people and It’ll bother me too. I’d love to see Icon, Steel, or Val-Zod as opposed to a race swapped Superman. All the swap does is fill a quota. Why fill a quota by changing how a character looks when they could introduce many other characters. I believe the random saying “Black characters can only succeed by replacing originally white characters, otherwise they remain a sidekick or are forgotten to limbo.” is a wrong assessment. I believe if given a chance by the people more characters that are put into the limelight can become popular and a talk of the town. I don’t think they’ll get as iconic as the heroes we know today. At least not in any time soon because the reason the characters we love are so iconic is because we’ve had so much time with those characters. But in time I think more diverse characters can be built up and appreciated as much as others. With the minor characters changed today such as Dead Shot, Domino, and Red Sonja were all written pretty well to me, they made them enjoyable, fun, and interesting. Which brings my other point, if they can take a less popular character and add diversity to them while keeping them well written, and enjoyable then what’s stopping them from taking an already existing diverse character and bringing them onto the big screen? I think the solution is that rather than changing an already existing character to bring diversity they should use them as a stepping stool to introduce pre existing characters. If they can do it in comics they can do it in the MCU or DCEU. But the point you have that the problem is popularity not diversity is an amazing and phenomenal point and I applaud you for that. Your video was outstanding and you’ve earned this sub, like, and notification bell. I’ll be tuning in again!
This topic is pretty difficult to present in a clear way, but as usual you nailed it, well done.
No it’s not, just name any iconic black character and ask how people who support these changes if the same happened to Storm, Blade, Jon Stewart, Warmachine, Falcon etc. Once they finish gasping at the mere thought of this, just call them hypocrites for wanting the same for white characters. Easy.
@@christoferprestipino7433 you're a weirdo.
@@christoferprestipino7433 I don’t think the context is the same.
The context is exactly the same
@@Neillan ? ok?
Why not make a movie about cyborg? His character is interesting and quite a bit of people know of him from cartoons we used to watch when we were younger. And for thé woke mob his character is also black so that would make them happy
Because WB is racist
Dam idk that
@@liltaco4119 if they were racist why would they make Superman black instead of keeping him white as his original character?
@@lechef5832 because if you didn't know, WB have had reports of racism towards Ray Fisher on the set of the Justice League movie and so instead of making a movie about great Black Supermen like Val Zod or Calvin Ellis, they're just gonna go the easy route and make a Black Clark Kent just so they can tell everyone how diverse they are and to probably hope that everybody forgets what they did to Ray Fisher
@@liltaco4119 ahh damn that sucks what happened to Fisher and that they just ruin another great character for the sake of diversity instead of taking responsibility for their actions.