Drusilla is one of my favorite characters in the entire Buffy universe! Her backstory is so good but so tragic and the actress that plays Drusilla kills it every single time!! I can’t wait for people to see how powerful she is!
Huh, I never thought of it as him really caring about keeping his word. Since he left Parker to then be found and killed by Buffy I always wondered how much of the decision had more to do with Spike enjoying the irony of him getting what he wanted by being turned just to die verses hurting Buffy since he's one of the rare people to get how important Buffy's connections to normal life/friends/family matters so would get what the turning/having to kill Parker would mean.
Such a good episode! Not just is he dying, but Ford is dying froma brain tumor, so who knows if that's affected his morality. It's easy to say "I'd never do that" and I don't believe I would, but you can't truly say until you were in that position. I've seen how brain injuries change a person, too, so while I obviously don't agree with Ford, I can't help but feel sorry for him.
You can draw a parallel between Ford's possible change in character because of the cancer to the change in character an individual appears to go through from being turned into a vampire. Take Drusilla. She was apparently pure and good etc and despite everything that happened to her she retained enough of that to take holy orders. Afterwards she apparently became a conscienceless monster who hunted children to satisfy her hunger pangs. But the Drusilla we see is not the same person as the human Drusilla, so we can ask if the Ford we see is the same person as the pre-cancer Ford?
I love this episode a lot of great moments and it is really interesting getting that insight into Angelus. One of my favorite lines is Willow's "our is a forbidden love"
The way this episode talks about mortality....uff, good stuff. I like how you can see Ford take pills early in the episode, nice detail I didn't notice the first time I watched. The cult stuff is handled pretty well and I like the moral dilemma of the episode. Loved hearing Dru's backstory and honestly the scene with the birdcage is iconic. Spike and Dru's love is really interesting to watch. Their "Our love is violent. We are both evil and still love each other. We will burn the world together" is really interesting. You don't see stuff like this that often. We were talking in the chat and the closest comparisons we could find were Vanessa and KingPin, Boney and Clyde, and Joker and Harly, but none of them fit quite well. It's a very unique dynamic.
You said “getting there slowly” while talking about Willow realizing what “I touch myself” is really about… and oh how I laughed. Side note- I think the orange vest on Behr was an indicator of warning in the scene. He literally wearing a caution color.
I love how this whole episode is an allegory of what it's like to grow up. Buffy starts out demanding the truth and catching people in lies... then, with everything she goes through, she learns that the "truth" can be complicated, so she ends up asking Giles to lie to her. Obviously the lesson isn't that lying is better. Just that it isn't always black and white. That's just life.
Although Spike turns out (surprisingly) to be a vampire of his word, it absolutely could have gone the way of Ford being murdered along with the cult members, and not in a vampire transformation way.
I figured he turned him because he figured Ford was a dumbass and would be a vampire for all of 6 seconds since Buffy already knew who he was and that he wanted to be turned.
I love how angel constantly refers to Buffy’s peers as children😂. Also i never connected that willow was wearing the dark makeup right after the Halloween episode. I think she was probably just experimenting in the comfort of her home.
"You may not have a good choice, but you have a choice" is the show's mission statement. How did I forget that Rosewell started after Buffy? Just looked up Appleby's guest appearance on Xena, and that was also before Rosewell. 😮
1st season of Roswell was really good, but it ended up going down hill after that. I was watching the cast interviews from season 3 dvd and shiri Appleby and Majondra Delfino were talking about how weird it was that the producers kept putting all the girls in relationships with 30+ year olds. And I felt the same way when I was watching it on TV.
You guys have such a great energy and synergy. I love it! Another great reaction :) Also, I’ve literally only just picked up on this rewatch how Ford says “It’s getting kind of draughty in here”, which was obviously the signal to lock the door. I can’t believe I didn’t realise it until now, lol. He just says it out of the blue, so it makes more sense now.
This really is a beautifully layed out and written episode. I am really enjoying revisiting Buffy by first watching the episode in full and then right after coming here to see their reactions. It must be at least six years since I rewatched this show and I didn't remember that we got Dru's backstory this early on but I always think stuff in shows happen later than they do. I love watching the show expand more and more with both the world itself and our characters and it's neat to see the foundations of lessons and philosophical ideas being build while knowing they will be touched on later. Also, love Willow so much.
Gotta say, I remember the vampire worshippers club and Ford, a friend from before who wants to become a vamp very well, but I didn't remember the brain tumour part - Maria
Here in west coast Canada vampire groups were pretty popular in the 90s. Some were goths who got a bit more specialized, some were off-shoots of RPGs and LARPing, but some were actually like this: teens who had read Anne Rice and needed something to believe in. In retrospect I've realised that a disproportionate percentage of people in this activity were survivors of childhood abuse and identifying with vampires was probably a coping mechanism. At the time I was in university, single, and liked the formal outfits. I'd say life doesn't GET easier, but it may feel easier since you learn more tools to deal with it and are no longer dealing with the overwhelming emotions of being a teenager.
I know Angel would be older than Buffy even if he were a human who was the age he looks to be, but I'm always struck by how young he looks in these earlier episodes.
I used to think that he looked young, older than Buffy, maybe 20-21, but watching it in my late 20s, I no longer do. He just looks my age, very much a guy in his late 20s - Maria
Regarding Angel and intelligence/maturity...most vampires seem to act like the age they're frozen at, rather than their actual age. Which does make a level of sense both in (there's less incentive to act more "mature" when you'll never have to accept that you're not as young as you used to be) and out of universe (how do you conceptualise "acting your character's age" when you're a 27-year-old actor playing someone in his 240s?).
And a vampire is a demon saddled with the memories and personality of a person who died st 27. While they are capable of adapting to changes in technology, dress, language, etc., do demon's mature?
Especially since Joss intentions originally was to have the vampires essentially be "evil teenagers". Every monster originally was intended to mean, or represent something else. Even certain events that occur to the characters that are supernatural represent something that can happen to teenagers in real life. I'm sure you know what I mean if you're a fan, but without going in future episodes (without spoiling it for everyone else), an example is Teacher's Pet. Ms. French was to represent an predator/pedophile and Xander and Blayne were her prey/victims.
@@squeezie_b8895 Definitely. Controversial opinion, but never was a really that big of a fan of Angel and this is just one of many reasons why. Random, but never was a fan of Edward Cullen either, but the reason why I bring it up, is because while I wasn't a fan I could understand why he was the way he was, because he still was "17". Which is another reason why between the two pairings, I also find Edward/Bella more "acceptable" than Angel/Buffy, because in the real world, realistically Angel wouldn't be legally (in the US) be able to date someone her age at the age he currently is frozen in. I'm kind of surprised they didn't raise more eyebrows about the age gap (regardless of the hundred + gap), but then again, Joss Whedon is the show runner and seemed to have a thing with older characters being with the younger in general so... Eh...
I always find this a really interesting topic. Because why is an age gap a problem? I would say it is the difference in maturity and life experience, both on their own and, especially, how they allow for power dynamics and manipulation. But how do we quantify experience and maturity? Especially when the lives of the people are so vastly different. We use age ourselves because it tells us enough, it is a good proxy when we have so many definite experiences tied to age, and it also tells us roughly whether they are physically fully developed or not. But for a being that isn't human and lives a completely different life, how do you quantify that? Maturity comes from life experience and vampires, even those who have had (SPOILER FOR ANGELS BACKSTORY), don't really get the life experience that leads to mental and emotional maturity. They might have a lot more knowledge, but vampires don't really engage in human society in BtVS like they do in other media, so they don't have much more experience in those sorts of things than what they had when they died and what they have managed to pick up in pieces through their kills. Also, Angel in particular has spent a lot of his life especially post (SPOILER) completely isolated from humanity and on his own. The 'hijacked by a demon' point is also quite important, the time they are true vamps isn't even really theirs so they are basically mentally the age they died. Angel being an adult when he was turned is very much still creepy in this context, but it is a bit less creepy because at least he is closer to her age in mental maturity? Obviously, his brain having been fully developed and her's not yet is a problem! I do wish they had him be in his late-teens/early-twenties when he was turned so that at least this wouldn't have been as big of a problem. I think the time in which he was changed is important to consider as well, like how does the maturity and experiences of a 26 y/o from the 1700s map on to the maturity and experience of a 16 y/o slayer in the 90s? He hasn't had many of the experience Buffy would have had, and she hasn't experience much of what he would have. I am not defending a 300 year age gap here! Though I do have a soft spot for Angel, he was one of my first TV crushes. I just find the concept of age gaps when supernatural forces are at play very interesting, especially when there are so many other points to consider. Taked Edward from twilight, the Cullens live in human society so his life experience is much more cleanly comparable to Bella's, but he has basically been a high-schooler or university student for the entire time. So how much more mental maturity and life experience does he have on Bella, really? Obviously he certainly has more, but no where near as much if he had lived a full life, or several, within that time.
Fair enough. It would be cool. I've only seen a couple of episodes on TV. Sam has seen more, but not the whole show. It's been on our list for a while now. Gotta give it a proper watch - Maria
When Xander abd Willow first enter the downsstairs at the vampire wannabe club, there is a guy standing in a coffin. That is head of make-up and Emmy winner* for Buffy, Todd McIntosh. *He won for the upcoming episodes Surprise/Innocence. A surprising number of people don't realize that Buffy stakes Ford at the end. He looks different.
Wow, that's a nice little nod! It seems like such an obvious ending to the story, but I guess I can understand how people might not put 2 and 2 together in this one - Maria
I think they made vamp Ford extra non-human looking to emphasise what Buff had just told him he doesn't get to be himself once changed, and also so she didn't have to feel too much like she had to 'kill' him again.
I always thought the reason that Buffy didn't kill Drusilla when she easily could have is because earlier in the episode Buffy just learned about her and what Angel did to her prior to making her a vampire and had a moment of sympathy for her and everything she has been thru. I love how this episode really leaned into how gray things truly are and veered away from things being black and white.
Buffy absolutely knew what she was doing when asking Ford to leave in front of Angel. She was mad at Angel for lying bc she saw him with Drusilla, and it was her immature reaction "I'm gonna leave with a guy then". We don't see Buffy do immature things too often, but that is definitely one of them.
I do almost understand the Vampire Groupies. I have seen people of groups targeted by those of another group stand up and insist, "The people of that other group don't want to harm us. They're just misunderstood." (I don't want to go into detail here, but I suppose one can guess who I mean.)
Drusilla, that bird is dead. It's bleedin' demised. It's passed on. It is no more; it has ceased to be; it's expired and gone to see its maker. It's a late bird, bereft of life; it rests in peace. It is an ex-bird. (H/T Monty Python.)
Absolutley LOVE Roswell with Katherine Heigal and Brendan Fehr!!!! So good! And I’m seriously debating whether It was Vampire Diaries or Roswell first because of when the books came out and such lol
Whoa. Watched this episode a LOT before, but sat down to watch this reaction, too. Difference is, I was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. Just an FYI, I'd like to point out that I do not wish to because a vampire. But I somehow didn't even consider the diagnosis before watching. Wow. Unexpected.
Buffy telling Ford, "You don't have a good choice, but you do have a choice!" Mirrors the dilema of choice Buffy had to make at the end of Season 1. Facing the reality of her own desth Buffy had to choose to face death, or to run from it. Those were not good choices, but she did make the right one. While Ford made the wrong one.
Great commentary! The episode isn’t top 10 for me but it’s definitely important to this season and the show overall. Sam how did hurt your finger? Ouch.
This is such a powerful episode, I love it so much. I personally think Buffy didn’t kill Drusilla for the same reason Angel didn’t when he found her about to eat a kid. They both know she’s not exactly in her right mind and that its Angel’s fault. They both feel bad for her because of it.
I really love y’all’s reactions to these, Buffy’s such a core part of my upbringing ❤ Still kinda mad my parents never let me change my name to Buffy…lol. I begged them for like 3yrs
I'll be honest I don't drink , and when I say I need a drink or I'm buying a drink I mean water or coffee too Sam :D Its me Maria and Sam Kelli :) don't forget me I just made another youtube account
Fair enough. I do say that for other things too, like my magical night drink, which is a concoction of beet and lemon juice with apple cider vinegar :) No worries! - Maria
You seem to be really hung up on Angel dating a teenager. I guess it never bothered me on the original watch because Buffy is so mature for a 17 year old and because she is exceptional in the sense that she has strength, cunning and super reflexes so it would be hard to take advantage. Angel doesn't really have bad intentions. Would it still be problematic if she was 18? I guess so in your eyes because of the wide gap in age.
They met when she was 16. He died when he was 26. Even if we don't take his vampire age and experience into consideration, they still are a teen and an adult. I agree on her being a superhero and being more mature than an average teenager. It does help. They have less of a power dynamic issue than a normal teen and an adult would. Their relationship isn't inherently problematic, and he is trying to be a decent human being, but it only changes things so much - Maria
This show uses clothing colors to signify things, such as Black is bad, white is good, orange is a warning. You will notice it more and more as the show goes and it's IMPORTANT within the scene. It's not something that is always done, but it's subtle thing that is done here and there for effect.
"You don't have a good choice, but you have a choice!" The Buffy premise in a nutshell. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
I consider this episode a thesis of sorts for Buffy
Nearly twenty years later, the quote that Giles gives at the end of the episode is still one of my favorites in the entire series.
Best lines in television history... problems of growing up
"Would I be imposing?"
"Only in the literal sense."
Cracks me up every time!
This episode has some golden one-liners, and some of the few times I don't find Xander's jealousy completely frustrating.
Drusilla is one of my favorite characters in the entire Buffy universe! Her backstory is so good but so tragic and the actress that plays Drusilla kills it every single time!! I can’t wait for people to see how powerful she is!
I have to appreciate that, despite the plan falling through, Spike still keeps his word and turns Parker
Yeah, it's shows that he has a different mind set then most vampires I think
Huh, I never thought of it as him really caring about keeping his word. Since he left Parker to then be found and killed by Buffy I always wondered how much of the decision had more to do with Spike enjoying the irony of him getting what he wanted by being turned just to die verses hurting Buffy since he's one of the rare people to get how important Buffy's connections to normal life/friends/family matters so would get what the turning/having to kill Parker would mean.
Hahaha!
yall mean Ford?? Billy Ford not Parker lol
@@HeiwaTori oops! Guess I'm mixing up my generic dark haired appears for an episode and seems vaguely sus guys 😬 that's hilarious though
Ford"I know who you are"
And my brain went: "Say it. Out loud"
"Vampire"😂
The “way they dress” joke is hilarious.
True :D - Maria
Such a good episode! Not just is he dying, but Ford is dying froma brain tumor, so who knows if that's affected his morality. It's easy to say "I'd never do that" and I don't believe I would, but you can't truly say until you were in that position. I've seen how brain injuries change a person, too, so while I obviously don't agree with Ford, I can't help but feel sorry for him.
You can draw a parallel between Ford's possible change in character because of the cancer to the change in character an individual appears to go through from being turned into a vampire. Take Drusilla. She was apparently pure and good etc and despite everything that happened to her she retained enough of that to take holy orders. Afterwards she apparently became a conscienceless monster who hunted children to satisfy her hunger pangs. But the Drusilla we see is not the same person as the human Drusilla, so we can ask if the Ford we see is the same person as the pre-cancer Ford?
A really great point
I love this episode a lot of great moments and it is really interesting getting that insight into Angelus. One of my favorite lines is Willow's "our is a forbidden love"
The way this episode talks about mortality....uff, good stuff.
I like how you can see Ford take pills early in the episode, nice detail I didn't notice the first time I watched.
The cult stuff is handled pretty well and I like the moral dilemma of the episode.
Loved hearing Dru's backstory and honestly the scene with the birdcage is iconic. Spike and Dru's love is really interesting to watch. Their "Our love is violent. We are both evil and still love each other. We will burn the world together" is really interesting. You don't see stuff like this that often. We were talking in the chat and the closest comparisons we could find were Vanessa and KingPin, Boney and Clyde, and Joker and Harly, but none of them fit quite well. It's a very unique dynamic.
Yeah, some very good writing here.
I know, right? We also see him coughing on a separate occasion, and I think there's something else - Maria
@@TheBuffSummerhe grabs his head at one point or more. I cant remember exactly how often but it is a thing.
Jason Behr would later work with SMG and Clea Duvall (Marcie The Invisible Girl) in the American remake of "The Grudge".
I've seen it and I can't remember Clea and Jason there :D - Maria
You said “getting there slowly” while talking about Willow realizing what “I touch myself” is really about… and oh how I laughed.
Side note- I think the orange vest on Behr was an indicator of warning in the scene. He literally wearing a caution color.
Oh my god, Melissa :DDD That's totally fair!
Ha, that would make sense. Very interesting - Maria
There's a song called "Alyson Hannigan" by Juvenile Wreck that samples that quote.
I certainly agree about that Willow line. It was a cheap, easy laugh... but laugh I did... lol!
I love how this whole episode is an allegory of what it's like to grow up. Buffy starts out demanding the truth and catching people in lies... then, with everything she goes through, she learns that the "truth" can be complicated, so she ends up asking Giles to lie to her. Obviously the lesson isn't that lying is better. Just that it isn't always black and white. That's just life.
Love how fast you guys are getting through this series and still take time to let sink in love how Sam is enjoying it more each time
Although Spike turns out (surprisingly) to be a vampire of his word, it absolutely could have gone the way of Ford being murdered along with the cult members, and not in a vampire transformation way.
I figured he turned him because he figured Ford was a dumbass and would be a vampire for all of 6 seconds since Buffy already knew who he was and that he wanted to be turned.
I love how angel constantly refers to Buffy’s peers as children😂. Also i never connected that willow was wearing the dark makeup right after the Halloween episode. I think she was probably just experimenting in the comfort of her home.
It's not at the end of your reaction but I love that Buffy says, "Liar." after Giles lies to her despite requesting it. lol
LOL yes, I always did love that,
They probably talked over it, as they do so often
"You may not have a good choice, but you have a choice" is the show's mission statement.
How did I forget that Rosewell started after Buffy? Just looked up Appleby's guest appearance on Xena, and that was also before Rosewell. 😮
1st season of Roswell was really good, but it ended up going down hill after that. I was watching the cast interviews from season 3 dvd and shiri Appleby and Majondra Delfino were talking about how weird it was that the producers kept putting all the girls in relationships with 30+ year olds. And I felt the same way when I was watching it on TV.
my biggest flex is showing this episode to people and being able to say “my dad went to high school with the actor that plays ford”
I love how Xander tells Ford, "You're not wrong." Twice.
You guys have such a great energy and synergy. I love it! Another great reaction :)
Also, I’ve literally only just picked up on this rewatch how Ford says “It’s getting kind of draughty in here”, which was obviously the signal to lock the door. I can’t believe I didn’t realise it until now, lol. He just says it out of the blue, so it makes more sense now.
While this not in my top 10 episodes. This one still ranks pretty high, Thanks for insights and reaction to this show
I'm with you on that. A well-written episode with a good story. Thanks so much for enjoying it with us :) - Maria
Unironically, I really enjoy your discussions about clothing and makeup and stuff. Its never a thing I notice
That's wonderful to hear because we really enjoy them too :) - Maria
This really is a beautifully layed out and written episode. I am really enjoying revisiting Buffy by first watching the episode in full and then right after coming here to see their reactions. It must be at least six years since I rewatched this show and I didn't remember that we got Dru's backstory this early on but I always think stuff in shows happen later than they do. I love watching the show expand more and more with both the world itself and our characters and it's neat to see the foundations of lessons and philosophical ideas being build while knowing they will be touched on later. Also, love Willow so much.
This is one of those episodes that is important but you don’t remember it until it airs.
Gotta say, I remember the vampire worshippers club and Ford, a friend from before who wants to become a vamp very well, but I didn't remember the brain tumour part - Maria
Omg I didn’t realise this episode came so early on in the show’s run - love this one!
I really enjoy this one too. Both the idea and the execution are great, and the perspectives, jokes, and fashion - Maria
Really great deep episode
Agreed - Maria
Ford should've been Pike from the Buffy movie, he didn't have to be played by Luke Perry just keep the name so we would've had more of an attachment
But then... Pike would've met Spike
Here in west coast Canada vampire groups were pretty popular in the 90s. Some were goths who got a bit more specialized, some were off-shoots of RPGs and LARPing, but some were actually like this: teens who had read Anne Rice and needed something to believe in. In retrospect I've realised that a disproportionate percentage of people in this activity were survivors of childhood abuse and identifying with vampires was probably a coping mechanism. At the time I was in university, single, and liked the formal outfits.
I'd say life doesn't GET easier, but it may feel easier since you learn more tools to deal with it and are no longer dealing with the overwhelming emotions of being a teenager.
Looooove that you guys know Roswell, it’s my favorite show EVER and I even have a tattoo for it lol
A favorite of mine too. Im curious if you and they saw the reboot(?) Roswell, New Mexico and what you thought.
When i rewatched and saw Max from Roswell in this I did the same thing 😂 was like "Roswell!!! Omg"
I know Angel would be older than Buffy even if he were a human who was the age he looks to be, but I'm always struck by how young he looks in these earlier episodes.
I used to think that he looked young, older than Buffy, maybe 20-21, but watching it in my late 20s, I no longer do. He just looks my age, very much a guy in his late 20s - Maria
@@TheBuffSummer So much younger than later Angel, though; we just have to pretend he hasn't changed. :)
@HuntingViolets true true :) - Maria
Enjoyed the reaction! This is a well-written episode, and I love the callback to it in Season 3!
Now that I've finished watching about to go check out your commentary on 10 Things I Hate About You
Glad to see you in the premiere :) Hope you enjoy the 10 Things commentary! - Maria
Regarding Angel and intelligence/maturity...most vampires seem to act like the age they're frozen at, rather than their actual age. Which does make a level of sense both in (there's less incentive to act more "mature" when you'll never have to accept that you're not as young as you used to be) and out of universe (how do you conceptualise "acting your character's age" when you're a 27-year-old actor playing someone in his 240s?).
And a vampire is a demon saddled with the memories and personality of a person who died st 27. While they are capable of adapting to changes in technology, dress, language, etc., do demon's mature?
Especially since Joss intentions originally was to have the vampires essentially be "evil teenagers". Every monster originally was intended to mean, or represent something else. Even certain events that occur to the characters that are supernatural represent something that can happen to teenagers in real life. I'm sure you know what I mean if you're a fan, but without going in future episodes (without spoiling it for everyone else), an example is Teacher's Pet. Ms. French was to represent an predator/pedophile and Xander and Blayne were her prey/victims.
Yes, but Angel was a grown man when he was turned. So, ya know, still should be more mature.
@@squeezie_b8895 Definitely. Controversial opinion, but never was a really that big of a fan of Angel and this is just one of many reasons why. Random, but never was a fan of Edward Cullen either, but the reason why I bring it up, is because while I wasn't a fan I could understand why he was the way he was, because he still was "17". Which is another reason why between the two pairings, I also find Edward/Bella more "acceptable" than Angel/Buffy, because in the real world, realistically Angel wouldn't be legally (in the US) be able to date someone her age at the age he currently is frozen in. I'm kind of surprised they didn't raise more eyebrows about the age gap (regardless of the hundred + gap), but then again, Joss Whedon is the show runner and seemed to have a thing with older characters being with the younger in general so... Eh...
I always find this a really interesting topic. Because why is an age gap a problem? I would say it is the difference in maturity and life experience, both on their own and, especially, how they allow for power dynamics and manipulation. But how do we quantify experience and maturity? Especially when the lives of the people are so vastly different. We use age ourselves because it tells us enough, it is a good proxy when we have so many definite experiences tied to age, and it also tells us roughly whether they are physically fully developed or not. But for a being that isn't human and lives a completely different life, how do you quantify that?
Maturity comes from life experience and vampires, even those who have had (SPOILER FOR ANGELS BACKSTORY), don't really get the life experience that leads to mental and emotional maturity. They might have a lot more knowledge, but vampires don't really engage in human society in BtVS like they do in other media, so they don't have much more experience in those sorts of things than what they had when they died and what they have managed to pick up in pieces through their kills. Also, Angel in particular has spent a lot of his life especially post (SPOILER) completely isolated from humanity and on his own.
The 'hijacked by a demon' point is also quite important, the time they are true vamps isn't even really theirs so they are basically mentally the age they died. Angel being an adult when he was turned is very much still creepy in this context, but it is a bit less creepy because at least he is closer to her age in mental maturity? Obviously, his brain having been fully developed and her's not yet is a problem! I do wish they had him be in his late-teens/early-twenties when he was turned so that at least this wouldn't have been as big of a problem. I think the time in which he was changed is important to consider as well, like how does the maturity and experiences of a 26 y/o from the 1700s map on to the maturity and experience of a 16 y/o slayer in the 90s? He hasn't had many of the experience Buffy would have had, and she hasn't experience much of what he would have.
I am not defending a 300 year age gap here! Though I do have a soft spot for Angel, he was one of my first TV crushes. I just find the concept of age gaps when supernatural forces are at play very interesting, especially when there are so many other points to consider. Taked Edward from twilight, the Cullens live in human society so his life experience is much more cleanly comparable to Bella's, but he has basically been a high-schooler or university student for the entire time. So how much more mental maturity and life experience does he have on Bella, really? Obviously he certainly has more, but no where near as much if he had lived a full life, or several, within that time.
I had a quick glance at the thumbnail and assumed they had started reacting to _Rosewell._ Would have loved that as very few people react to it.
Fair enough. It would be cool. I've only seen a couple of episodes on TV. Sam has seen more, but not the whole show. It's been on our list for a while now. Gotta give it a proper watch - Maria
The rant about the stupidity of locking yourself inside something that can only be opened from the outside was giving the oceangate submersible
Angel doing a little investigating I see hmmm...
Another great time!
This was such a good episode.
It was - Maria
When Xander abd Willow first enter the downsstairs at the vampire wannabe club, there is a guy standing in a coffin. That is head of make-up and Emmy winner* for Buffy, Todd McIntosh. *He won for the upcoming episodes Surprise/Innocence.
A surprising number of people don't realize that Buffy stakes Ford at the end. He looks different.
Wow, that's a nice little nod!
It seems like such an obvious ending to the story, but I guess I can understand how people might not put 2 and 2 together in this one - Maria
I think they made vamp Ford extra non-human looking to emphasise what Buff had just told him he doesn't get to be himself once changed, and also so she didn't have to feel too much like she had to 'kill' him again.
@@Darkjade93 That's an interesting thought.
this episode was such a gut punch when i first watched it
Also Maria looks so pretty and I need that lipgloss color!
"okay, once more with tension..."
I think he needs to say that with a little more... feeling.
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Speaking of Roswell alums, Julie Benz (Darla) was also on Roswell
I always thought the reason that Buffy didn't kill Drusilla when she easily could have is because earlier in the episode Buffy just learned about her and what Angel did to her prior to making her a vampire and had a moment of sympathy for her and everything she has been thru. I love how this episode really leaned into how gray things truly are and veered away from things being black and white.
Buffy absolutely knew what she was doing when asking Ford to leave in front of Angel. She was mad at Angel for lying bc she saw him with Drusilla, and it was her immature reaction "I'm gonna leave with a guy then". We don't see Buffy do immature things too often, but that is definitely one of them.
More like AnJEALOUS
I do almost understand the Vampire Groupies. I have seen people of groups targeted by those of another group stand up and insist, "The people of that other group don't want to harm us. They're just misunderstood." (I don't want to go into detail here, but I suppose one can guess who I mean.)
Drusilla, that bird is dead. It's bleedin' demised. It's passed on. It is no more; it has ceased to be; it's expired and gone to see its maker. It's a late bird, bereft of life; it rests in peace. It is an ex-bird. (H/T Monty Python.)
Absolutley LOVE Roswell with Katherine Heigal and Brendan Fehr!!!! So good! And I’m seriously debating whether It was Vampire Diaries or Roswell first because of when the books came out and such lol
Whoa. Watched this episode a LOT before, but sat down to watch this reaction, too. Difference is, I was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. Just an FYI, I'd like to point out that I do not wish to because a vampire.
But I somehow didn't even consider the diagnosis before watching. Wow. Unexpected.
Heavens Gate was march 20 1997 (I think, according to Wikipedia) .. was that shortly before this?
Seems like 6 months before this episode aired - Maria
It was just after "Witch."
willow is such a gem
Yep, and she shines in this episode. 17:56 "if there isn't anything weird- hey, that's weird" is one of my favorite moments of the season.
Buffy telling Ford, "You don't have a good choice, but you do have a choice!" Mirrors the dilema of choice Buffy had to make at the end of Season 1. Facing the reality of her own desth Buffy had to choose to face death, or to run from it. Those were not good choices, but she did make the right one. While Ford made the wrong one.
For sure - Maria
"Why are you (Spike) grabbing her (Drusilla) hair?"
There is a reason, but it might be spoilery, so I won't answer it here.
Spike is such a fun character. But I'm almost finishing the third season and I still can't like Zander.
Great commentary! The episode isn’t top 10 for me but it’s definitely important to this season and the show overall.
Sam how did hurt your finger? Ouch.
This is such a powerful episode, I love it so much. I personally think Buffy didn’t kill Drusilla for the same reason Angel didn’t when he found her about to eat a kid. They both know she’s not exactly in her right mind and that its Angel’s fault. They both feel bad for her because of it.
I really love y’all’s reactions to these, Buffy’s such a core part of my upbringing ❤ Still kinda mad my parents never let me change my name to Buffy…lol. I begged them for like 3yrs
I'll be honest I don't drink , and when I say I need a drink or I'm buying a drink I mean water or coffee too Sam :D
Its me Maria and Sam Kelli :) don't forget me I just made another youtube account
Fair enough. I do say that for other things too, like my magical night drink, which is a concoction of beet and lemon juice with apple cider vinegar :)
No worries! - Maria
You seem to be really hung up on Angel dating a teenager. I guess it never bothered me on the original watch because Buffy is so mature for a 17 year old and because she is exceptional in the sense that she has strength, cunning and super reflexes so it would be hard to take advantage. Angel doesn't really have bad intentions. Would it still be problematic if she was 18? I guess so in your eyes because of the wide gap in age.
They met when she was 16. He died when he was 26. Even if we don't take his vampire age and experience into consideration, they still are a teen and an adult.
I agree on her being a superhero and being more mature than an average teenager. It does help. They have less of a power dynamic issue than a normal teen and an adult would. Their relationship isn't inherently problematic, and he is trying to be a decent human being, but it only changes things so much - Maria
With all the fashion critiques you guys make how could you miss the opertunity to talk about Diego the fashion victim? Lol
This show uses clothing colors to signify things, such as Black is bad, white is good, orange is a warning. You will notice it more and more as the show goes and it's IMPORTANT within the scene. It's not something that is always done, but it's subtle thing that is done here and there for effect.
Written and directed by Jos Whedon, so.....