Really cool to see your perspective on how the manga was adapted. It is clear that you prefer the manga’s version of the goku black arc, but I wonder; are there any arcs that you think the anime did better?
@@jimtrzaska8077 Thank you bro. Honestly I feel as though the manga did most arcs better, but the anime had certain moments that I preferred. If I feel like the anime did one better though, I'll definitely make a video about it.
It's my favourite detail about his design. Shows how even such a minimal change can make such a difference, because that eyeliner makes him look *so* much more evil than in the Anime.
One of the best things that the manga did than the anime is that they didn't give trunks any bs power ups to make him equal to goku and vegeta, and the most important of all giving fused zamasu muscles and not make him look like a twig
The manga definitely did Trunks better. He was much more of an asset, and even with the trash form known as Super Saiyan Rage, he wasn't of much use in the anime other than to develop the plot.
Vegito got less time with his fusion in the manga than the anime. In the anime he was displaying everything from instant transmission, spirit sword, and the final kamehameha. In the manga he only last for a few pages and defuses the moment he uses his final kamehameha.
Anime and Manga go back and forth on what is utilized better than others. Anime has more striking fights and visuals, but the manga tends to make up for it by having a better sense of fight choreography and even emphasizing brutality better.
He uses spirit sword, instant transmission and final Kamehameha, only difference is the little amount of panels he’s gets, he got less time overall but still used all of his abilities
The Goku Black Arc in the manga was absolutely 🔥 My favorite part was honestly the SSJG Vegeta VS Goku Black fight, everything from the duologue to the SSJG to SSJB combo, the manga arc was awesome. 🔥
That's just kind of how the ark is I think that in general they just messed up on making zamasu immortal they should have done what superheroes did with the whole Goku black gets super saiyan Rose 2 and 3 that would have been cool to see
Not only was the Infinite Zamasu thing technically a callback to the Metal Cooler movie, but Goku and Vegeta literally have the same exact battle damage
I always thought the god switch technique weird for the manga mainly because the arc right before it said that super saiyan blue burns a lot of energy when going into the transformation
It does kinda bum me that people relatively gloss over the manga version of these arcs. I feel like trunks reputation wouldn’t have been so destroyed if the manga and anime were completely the same. But they changed so much with the anime that it’s a bummer
@@daniiii888the manga was created before the anime wth😂 it came out as a promotional chapters for the original dragon ball battle of gods movie. Which then the anime adapted many similarities from the manga. 2015 anime, 2013 manga.
One of the best narrated arc in manga, one thing that was great was perfected ssb, showing learning control over very powerful SSB as to utilise it effectively by overcoming it's flaws which shows it's significance rather than losing to every other fight in anime just because it's energy draining
Request to make a video on explaining all timelines of dragon Ball like how they were created and how some ended and some going on!! This video was also good
Personally, I think instead of Future Trunks and Mai going to another timeline with another version of them, I think it would have been better if they went to the timeline that Cell came from. If you remember, Cell came from another timeline where he saw his version of Future Trunks, killing him, and then stealing his time machine creating Future Trunks’s timeline and main dragon ball timeline. Meaning that Future Bulma is still alive, and I remember reading that since there was no huge energy on that earth Bobbidi never showed up, meaning that Majin Buu is still hiding away, and that Supreme Kai, Kabito, Old Kai, and Beerus are still alive.
@@kaidenjohnson2624 I don’t think so since in Cell’s timeline, similar to Future Trunks’, Goku would have died due to the heart virus, and that the Z fighters were killed by the Androids. Meaning that the Kai’s, Beerus, and Whis would have never met or know who Goku is; but would probably been aware that he killed Frieza. Meaning characters from other universes like Zamasu, Hit, Toppo, Jiren, and even Zeno wouldn’t be able to meet Goku. But that’s just my thoughts.
I love this analysis bro one thing i loved most about it is that 1.there is s no ssjrage and 2 . goku get to use the hakai, and 3.there alot of fused zamasu
A thing I also liked of the arc is that if you try and be in their shoes, you see their emotional turmoil and desire for their goals but understand essentially wiping out practically all life can’t be done despite the destructive ability of mortals to life around them
A standout moment you could see a mile away was Gowasu doing the "It's not to late to fix this" then getting stabbed in the chest. Fun fact: Goku Black stabbing Gowasu is the only time he uses his Ki Blade in the manga
What i wouldv liked is a diffrnece between zamas and goku black where everytime we see them they get slightly further apart and trunks uses tge spirit sword but when the timeline is erased it leads to a mini arc with trunks as he is depressed and doesnt believ in himself and this arc gives just enough hope that when the t.o.p comes around its a chance for him to get his timeline back
If I be real the anime had some better moments then the manga and same thing with the manga being better at times, they really only fight Goku black twice in the manga and anime they fight him like 3 times, some other scenes were off too like Goku Showing Trunks a new super saiyan level being Super Saiyan 3 and catching his sword with 4 fingers a nice call back to their first fight and how SSJ3 has a 400X while Super Saiyan 2 only has a 100x, while he beat him in the anime in the manga he powered up his Super Saiyan 2 to the same as Super Saiyan 3 Goku then Goku just goes god and one shots pretty waste of a scene imo, it’s worse because trunks become support for the whole arc him being a Kai isn’t that cool, Trunks getting rage at least let him keep up and even beat Goku black and Zamasus with his quick thinking, it also helped he trained with his dad seeing SSJ Blue first hand so the power up makes somewhat more sense, Vegito was done better in the manga using the sensu bean after fusing was a smart move and had pretty good moments be defused even faster than the anime where he couldn’t launch the final kamehameha while in the anime he did and it didn’t do nothing, fused Zamasu becoming a giant half corrupted being then the universe itself was weird but seeing the fusion Zamasu metal army clone was neat but just really there for spectacle yet both anime and manga fail with the ending.
Black's personality in the anime also felt better. In the manga, he's just Zamasu. In the anime, he fills like a mix of Zamasu with Goku's Saiyan Instincts and drive for battle. He's also way more calm and in control of the situation than his manga counterpart.
The worst part of the ending is how zamasu technically won. The universe got erased completely, though I feel it was a dumb way to finish it. I think that if only half of the zamasu sides had died, and the fusion split, it'd be much more interesting. Also zamasu is fantastic. The strongest Kai.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the manga version of the Goku Black arc, so there may be things that I misremember. The manga version had many things I wished the anime had, mainly the scene where Goku Black shows remorse towards Gowasu, only to stab him right after. This re emphasizes how he truly believed that he was in the right, and how far he had gone. Additionally Trunks training with Shin increases the parallels with him and Zamasu as they were both once trained by a Supreme Kai. Not to mention Goku was less childish in the manga. However I personally prefer the anime version over the manga for a couple reasons (Mostly relating to Zamasu and his portrayal) The manga version of Zamasu was already showing signs of being no good, meanwhile the anime had him with a pure heart but conflicted. Not to mention the fight with Goku made him choosing Goku’s body feel more personal. Goku Black felt better in the anime as he kept his cool, felt more elegant and was unstoppable. I prefer villans being drastically more powerful than the heros as it encourages them to work harder. Additionally the scenes of him killing Goku and his family, Vegeta’s speech and many more make me prefer this version over the manga. I much preferred Merged Zamasu in the anime than manga. Merged Zamasu in the anime was presented like an actual god villain with the halo, techniques etc. Meanwhile the manga version feels like a typical dragon ball villan which, depending on who u ask, would make it better. However I preferred the anime version as it made him more unique and feel more fearsome and dangerous. Additionally most people did not like the mutated Zamasu, but I personally loved it because it was symbolically representing Zamasu’s descent into madness over his ideology. Also I prefer the fact that Vegito was actually fighting instead of just destroying Zamasu. I also preferred how the ending was handled in the anime, particularly with Infinite Zamasu. Zamasu merging with the multiverse is much more unique as oppose another villan duplicating himself. Not to mention the stakes felt higher as he was even reaching other timelines. Additionally it makes Zeno erasing the multiverse make more sense. The TOP shows that Zeno just needs squish his hand to erase individuals while not damaging anything else. Unlike the manga, he clearly couldn’t do that in the anime as Zamasu had become the multiverse and a higher being. These are just some of my main reasons for liking the anime more, although I feel it also depends on the audience’s preference. Overall the Goku Black arc is my favorite arc in Super. Despite my preference for the anime, the manga still has lots of things I wished the anime had. These are all my personal opinions, so feel free to disagree.
Shut up bro you literally read my mind this is exactly my thought, I too prefer anime over manga, the only thing manga did good imo is how future zamasu come to know about goku bcz it never shown in anime apart from that anime is superior, hot take but imo manga is overrated
I feel the same, specially about Goku Black himself. It's because of the anime that Goku Black became my favorite Dragon Ball villain. When I got to the manga, I was disappointed at his portrayal there. Plus the whole explanation about Black exploiting Zenkais doesn't make sense considering he has Goku's body. If Goku (in the manga) can't get Zenkais anymore, why Goku Black, who has the same body, can? Was the God to Blue Switch cool? Definitely. Was it necessary? Not really, Goku and Vegeta already have the perfected Blue in the anime (evidence provided by Goku's use of the Kaioken), so it would only be useful to conserve energy (which with the fast nature of the fights wasn't really a problem). Was Goku Black using SSJ cool? Yeah. Was it necessary? Thanks to Goku Black's trip to the past, it wasn't. It was also a good thing because Goku Black received a Zenkai, prompting his Saiyan Body and Divine Soul to finally become one. With that, Goku Black attained God Power in base (SSG is already a God Ki base form), so when he turns Super Saiyan, he becomes Rosé instead. I could say more, but I also think there are things that could be used from the manga (mainly the whole backstory of Trunks training with Shin, that would have been a pretty good way to tie in the SSJ Rage as an incomplete SSJ Blue form acquired by his incomplete Kaioshin training), but I feel like the anime should be the base for the story, and not the opposite.
The moment zamasu split and started duplicating himself, I was like this is so much horrifying then the anime. I was actually scared for Goku and Vegeta. They did everything they could just to split one in half just for him to come back and say how about 2, 4, 8, or 1000? A truly unbelievable enemy
It's great but contradicts itself as much as it expands the lore. I get it the introduction of gods in regards to previous events must be accounted for. The whole not a full supreme kai makes the fusion unstable though... Wasn't Daikaio the big boss when Shin got promoted? Wouldn't that also have made Shin not officially a Supreme Kai since nobody actually promoted him? Also. Doesn't transforming drain more energy than holding the form? God switch makes no sense but it looks cool. Perfected is awesome but this goes back to Blue's terribly handled introduction... The point of that transformation is that because they mastered both their ki's they can combine them. Goku mastering both halves is the point of most of their training, so I really like that he did it here, but it wasn't called the Goku Black arc. That's what we call it now. It's officially called the Future Trunks arc. Having Goku complete the journey he started in Super during an arc where he's not supposed to be the main character was just... Par the course for dragon ball. And undercut the stakes for me. I love rage. Dude never saw it (cause he was dead), but used Gohan's ultimate attack as a form. (Anime only Gohan turns all his rage into a lightning blue energy when he kills Cell, based on his father's understanding of energy. He also told his son to use metaphysical energy from the people of the planet. Something Trunks then actually does). Both halves really shat on Trunks though. But at least the manga remembered to hose him off after. Poor unwanted child. Go back to not even your own time. 😂
Me who preferred the manga version since we got universe Zamasu at the end rather than splitting Zamasu. Zeno could have just wiped out the singular planet they were all on but just said fuck it everything goes. Made more sense for him to do it in the anime. Though the manga has Super Saiyan Goku Black and Goku doing a hakai which was cool.
This has convinced me to check out the manga version, but I actually liked the cosmic/eldritch horror that became of Zamasu at the end of the anime tho compared to clones.
Everything right summerized- * Totally new idea of an evil goku * A new villian with a fearfull name that totaly doesnt imply any racist impications * We now know the true rizz that goku had all along while being chichi's husband * bringing back a character that wished to turn to a child, and make her date someone who is her new age (she is mentally way older) * A deserving transformation for future trunks thqt had built up ever since the start of the arc. * goku mastering the plot weapon, and successfully going toe-to-toe with someone that mostly kept up with his fusion with vegeta * A satisfying ending for the future trunks arc, and future trunks himself
the only thing that really bugs me about the arc is the ending, but at least its more explained than in the anime. like trunks just up and leaves, where tf he go 😭
Zamasu was lowkey the Sensui (Yu Yu Hakusho) of this arc because of how it blends into the next saga. Gowasu was a believer in the Supreme Kais NOT having a hand in the dealings of mortals and it isn't their job to act; simply watch. It's up to the Gods of Destruction to determine whether or not to intervene and wipe things out of necessary. Such a strange concept because the Tournament of Power arc showed us that way of thinking is TERRIBLE in terms of maintaining a healthy level of stability necessary to earn a high mortal level for your universe. The four universes that didn't have to participate in the T.O.P. clearly had gods who worked together rather than one doing the heavy lifting. When you really think about it, Zamasu was CORRECT! Aside from murdering the gods, I am curious to see what the Grand Priest or maybe even Zeno would've thought about Zamasu's quest for justice. Not sure why they'd be upset considering Zeno wipes out universes (including the gods) without a second thought... The only 'crime' one could fault Zamasu for is interfering in the godly hierarchy of universes outside of his own; Universe 10.
I think the manga version of this arc is definitely better than the anime version, like, it really is that good, especially the way they handled Shin. That said, there are some things the anime did better or that I would have loved to see adapted into the manga version as well, like cosmic Zamasu instead of the Merged Zamasu clones, or the presence of Future Yajirobe, or Future Trunks meeting Gohan and Android 18 in the present, or Gowasu's tea scenes or Goku Black's and Zamasu's more interesting powers instead of just launching cubes. I also don't like Goku using hakai, but I love the idea of mastered blue. I hope one day they will create a unified DBS canon that merges the best aspects of both anime and manga.
I understand why Future Trunks did not stay in the main timeline, it would basically clash with the end of Z. Perhaps once we eventually get passed the end of Z we can see him making a permanent return.
Though the ssj rage trunks was a needless power up for toy sales. I still would say the anime did a much better job providing certain ideas and toolkits for both goku and trunks, such as providing goku and trunks with mafuba, though goku did forget about it and the tensed situation in which both goku and vegeta had to face goku black and zamasu multiple times. I still would prefer the infinite merged zamasu and cmz and they shouldve added cmz during the punishment that is getting dished out by vegeito. And the reason i prefer infinite zamasu over cooler movie omage is that in the end a villain did win and him becoming one with reality forcing zeno to wipe it all out, compared to few indefinite multiplying dudes on a planet who he couldve erased that particular aspect alone. Providing trunks with techniques and giving him chance to save his ppl with sword of hope was nice touch, though i wish they linked with his training with the kai as spirit bomb utilises genki, which can be used for healing. Sure the cohesiveness of the manga was done better but thats solely due to it having to rectify the issues the anime had. Yes i get it you are not fan of trunks staying with himself and that aspect they couldve changed to trunks staying in a timeline from which the android cell has arrived. And i agree with you on it because inorder for beerus to deal with zamasu whis needs to tell him before supreme kai dies. But again toryama wanted to zeno's to exist in the main timeline.😅
Unrelated note but just wanted to say this so is goku stronger than beerus because they said jiren is stronger than his own God of deconstruction but goku defeated him with ui
The anime actually said there were 18 universes during the universe 6 arc so actually the anime did that first plus I respect your opinion but the anime was better
I know people don't really like Trunks' weird power-ups in the anime. I'll admit, they're handled pretty poorly, coming out of nowhere and not being very well explained. His weird Spirit Sword could've come across a lot better if it was established as a special technique Shin taught him before he died during his Z-Sword training, for example. That being said, I do like that the anime does at least make Future Zamasu/Goku Black into Future Trunks' specific adversaries instead of putting Goku and Vegeta as their main antagonists. This is his future, so him getting to save the day feels nice. Of course, it would've been a lot better if it had been something like Vegito beating down Fused Zamasu to a point where Future Trunks could reasonably finish him off when they defused.
1:25 - Correction: Universe 12 DID NOT invent the Time Rings. They developed a Time MACHINE just like Future Bulma did in Future Trunks' time period. The Time Rings are linked with time itself and when a new timeline is created, a matching Green Time Ring corresponding to that timeline is also created. The opposite is true where if a timeline is erased, its corresponding Time Ring is also destroyed. The plot point with Universe 12 is relevant in that a Green Time Ring was born in response to their time travelling and the time machine responsible for that was rediscovered by Zamasu who would have used it to follow our heroes back to their timeline which the Time Rings couldn't do as the Rings can only go between the Future and Present.
Fused Zamasu didn't feel right it should feel like when your dominating the enemy once they fuse the entire fight switches to their advantage but here it was just them it just felt like they were just trying harder EDIT: I regret what I said I just have problems with how Goku alone was dealing with the rest of what I said is nonsense
actually when whis said that jiren might be stronger than his god of destruction in their universe and both zamasus saved earth for last that means they took out al the gods and jiren in all universi implying that they were stronger than him no
(Long post to make here) In the original timeline where Trunks comes from, the Z Fighters are all gone - in the afterlife, with King Kai, Grand Kai, etc... In the 2nd timeline, where Goku is saved by Trunks... We learn that Goku is able to visit the 'afterlife world' via Instant Transmission (and is capable of intervening fights when Gohan is getting his Masenko handed to him (Bojack movie))... King Kai knows of the technique Instant Transmission and how to do it... So, why aren't the deceased Z-Fighters trying to help Trunks and have him brought to King Kais' place and learn this ability, so he can either learn to locate where the new planet where the Namekians have relocated OR the planet where Granola is living (I forget the name off the back)... [[I can't help but notice the deceased Z-Fighters aren't shown in the afterlife; I'd imagine Vegeta went to HFIL because of his bad history and doesn't have a body, whereas Goku is in spirit form while the others have bodies with halos) In Super, no one brings up quadrants of the universe; in the afterlife world, there's a South, North, West and East Kai - and the Know-It-All Being who trades information for kisses We don't know, but whichever of these Quadrant Kai's can't be bothered to locate EITHER the newly relocated planet of the Namekians or the planet where Granola is, so he can use those 2 Dragon Balls to revive Piccolo and Kami (remember: they never merged in this timeline)
Here's My preferences of the first five arcs of Super, which one I prefer Battle of Gods the movie for the Beerus Arc I consider both the Anime and the Movie version Resurrection F Universe 6 and Goku Black Arc Manga And Tournament Of Power Anime Version easily
Interesting to see your analysis on other arcs especially compared to the manga Interesting video dude 💪 I am more familiar with the anime & even I don't think this is the best arc of dragon ball super in particular (maybe tournament of power or moro tops it for me 😅) still though it's nice to see the manga get praise as I often see people criticising the manga 😂 By the way any update on naruto summaries & when that will release I been waiting 😂?
Thank you bro. In my opinion the manga doesn't get nearly as much praise as it should. The arcs are a lot better in them, though the anime has SOME moments that are better. Lol I'm glad to see that you're excited for them. I plan to release the Naruto summaries this year for sure. I have a mini vacation planned for the end of this month so I'll be out for a little, but I'm already scripting the first Naruto Arc as we speak. As far as a specific release date, I'm not sure but I'm working to make it as soon as possible. I got you!
Honestly i think pulling from both stories would make the whole arc better, i do think both interpretations of the story is lacking on their own. I feel black was better handled in the manga in terms of fights, zamasu in the anime in terms of fights and the reverse for plot. At the same time, i think zamasu swapping bodies with goku was lame. Once that was revealed, i lost interest in the story. Would of been more interesting if they went with gohan swapped instead.
I wanna start doing more analysis content for you guys. Lemme know what you think of this.
Also, eat a cookie every time I use the word "depth". LOL
Really cool to see your perspective on how the manga was adapted. It is clear that you prefer the manga’s version of the goku black arc, but I wonder; are there any arcs that you think the anime did better?
what happen to future gohan manga special pls do it
I love these type of videos,this is peak,please continue this master piece
And "enrich" xD
@@jimtrzaska8077 Thank you bro. Honestly I feel as though the manga did most arcs better, but the anime had certain moments that I preferred. If I feel like the anime did one better though, I'll definitely make a video about it.
This is a small detail, but I love how in the manga Goku Black is drawn with eyeliner. Makes him look more sinister and distinct from Goku.
I saw the same detail. Good eye bro 🔥
It's my favourite detail about his design. Shows how even such a minimal change can make such a difference, because that eyeliner makes him look *so* much more evil than in the Anime.
True, make him very sinister and he look *way more badass.*
Goku Black is one of the most badass characters in fiction, easily.
Just like Majin Vegeta
One of the best things that the manga did than the anime is that they didn't give trunks any bs power ups to make him equal to goku and vegeta, and the most important of all giving fused zamasu muscles and not make him look like a twig
Hehe
The manga definitely did Trunks better. He was much more of an asset, and even with the trash form known as Super Saiyan Rage, he wasn't of much use in the anime other than to develop the plot.
What about corrupted Zamasu😂
@@GazeGamerXno, just no
@@Normalname-gu8jo Bro what😂 it’s such a good concept and muscular as fuck, let’s not forget how good he is in DBL now
The only good thing the anime (dub) did was that speech Vegeta gave to Goku Black about him being a Saiyan imposter
I agree that part was fire
Indeed, my speech is the best thing about the 3rd worst arc in the franchise
Hold your fire. This man isn't black. Was the best dub line in super tf you talking about
Nah bro manga goku black arc is so overrated
Black surpassing Vegeta yet again just after prove otherwise tho.
Vegito got less time with his fusion in the manga than the anime. In the anime he was displaying everything from instant transmission, spirit sword, and the final kamehameha. In the manga he only last for a few pages and defuses the moment he uses his final kamehameha.
Anime and Manga go back and forth on what is utilized better than others. Anime has more striking fights and visuals, but the manga tends to make up for it by having a better sense of fight choreography and even emphasizing brutality better.
Dawg he used all of those in the manga as well, I can check in a second but I swear he did
He uses spirit sword, instant transmission and final Kamehameha, only difference is the little amount of panels he’s gets, he got less time overall but still used all of his abilities
His showing was far more impressive in the manga than the anime tho, quality over quantity easily
The Goku Black Arc in the manga was absolutely 🔥
My favorite part was honestly the SSJG Vegeta VS Goku Black fight, everything from the duologue to the SSJG to SSJB combo, the manga arc was awesome. 🔥
I seen you before
I see him everywhere lol.
The manga was definitely amazing. One of my favorite parts was Goku's use of Hakai honestly.
@@justinsden That was great too. 🔥
It'd really be interesting to see what Goku could do if he learned to master it with Ultra Instinct. 🤔
Great analysis. That's not me glazing either. I love the arc. It kept me locked in from start to finish. My favorite super arc for sure.
Lol thank you bro. This is my favorite arc too. It was really great.
Manga really is amazing, the only thing probably holding it back is the ending.
Thats facts.
That's just kind of how the ark is I think that in general they just messed up on making zamasu immortal they should have done what superheroes did with the whole Goku black gets super saiyan Rose 2 and 3 that would have been cool to see
I think it’s better than the anime ending
Goku Black is my Favorite Dragon Ball Villain of All Time! 🔥
He's definitely one of the best!
YES ive been waiting for this🎉
Yessir!
W video Justin! 🔥
Perfected SSJB was Super Goku's best moment imo, even better than the UI reveal
Much love my guy! 🔥 I feel you on that fr. It really made Blue feel like a worthwhile transformation!
Not only was the Infinite Zamasu thing technically a callback to the Metal Cooler movie, but Goku and Vegeta literally have the same exact battle damage
I always thought the god switch technique weird for the manga mainly because the arc right before it said that super saiyan blue burns a lot of energy when going into the transformation
To be fair they say Vegeta specifically trained to overcome that but I agree with you
It does kinda bum me that people relatively gloss over the manga version of these arcs. I feel like trunks reputation wouldn’t have been so destroyed if the manga and anime were completely the same. But they changed so much with the anime that it’s a bummer
They didn’t change anything with the anime because it’s technically the “original”
The manga was made because of the dbs anime after all
@@daniiii888the manga was created before the anime wth😂 it came out as a promotional chapters for the original dragon ball battle of gods movie. Which then the anime adapted many similarities from the manga. 2015 anime, 2013 manga.
Ssg use, goku using hakai, and the use of the supreme kai. The manga def clears
Facts 🔥
I love this vids it’s like Cinemasins for DBZ look forward to a redo and more of these Justin !!
My guy!! Thank you for your comment as always! I look forward to seeing them lol.
Anime executed right > manga executed right
But when the anime is poorly executed and the manga is well executed its a diff story
I know this came out 4 hours ago. But this deserves more views.
Thank you bro.
One of the best narrated arc in manga, one thing that was great was perfected ssb, showing learning control over very powerful SSB as to utilise it effectively by overcoming it's flaws which shows it's significance rather than losing to every other fight in anime just because it's energy draining
Request to make a video on explaining all timelines of dragon Ball like how they were created and how some ended and some going on!!
This video was also good
Personally, I think instead of Future Trunks and Mai going to another timeline with another version of them, I think it would have been better if they went to the timeline that Cell came from.
If you remember, Cell came from another timeline where he saw his version of Future Trunks, killing him, and then stealing his time machine creating Future Trunks’s timeline and main dragon ball timeline. Meaning that Future Bulma is still alive, and I remember reading that since there was no huge energy on that earth Bobbidi never showed up, meaning that Majin Buu is still hiding away, and that Supreme Kai, Kabito, Old Kai, and Beerus are still alive.
That timeline is probably gone already even if babidi didn't go to earth to get energy there still be Goku black who would destroy everything
@@kaidenjohnson2624 I don’t think so since in Cell’s timeline, similar to Future Trunks’, Goku would have died due to the heart virus, and that the Z fighters were killed by the Androids. Meaning that the Kai’s, Beerus, and Whis would have never met or know who Goku is; but would probably been aware that he killed Frieza. Meaning characters from other universes like Zamasu, Hit, Toppo, Jiren, and even Zeno wouldn’t be able to meet Goku. But that’s just my thoughts.
I love this analysis bro one thing i loved most about it is that 1.there is s no ssjrage and 2 . goku get to use the hakai, and 3.there alot of fused zamasu
Amazing vid like usual 🔥
Thank you bro!
I'm gonna be honest, I wish they just animated the manga dead on accurate with everything, it would make it so much more grounded/impactful.
A thing I also liked of the arc is that if you try and be in their shoes, you see their emotional turmoil and desire for their goals but understand essentially wiping out practically all life can’t be done despite the destructive ability of mortals to life around them
Really like these videos with more of your opinion in it. Plus I never knew their were so many differences between the manga and anime.
Thank you bro. 🔥 I got more like this coming.
The Goku black arc is legendary it was consistent and well paced
A standout moment you could see a mile away was Gowasu doing the "It's not to late to fix this" then getting stabbed in the chest. Fun fact: Goku Black stabbing Gowasu is the only time he uses his Ki Blade in the manga
What i wouldv liked is a diffrnece between zamas and goku black where everytime we see them they get slightly further apart and trunks uses tge spirit sword but when the timeline is erased it leads to a mini arc with trunks as he is depressed and doesnt believ in himself and this arc gives just enough hope that when the t.o.p comes around its a chance for him to get his timeline back
saw title as “everything black did was right” by mistake lmaoo
Maybe I don't remember correctly, but didn't that advanced civilization from U12 invent a time machine like Bulma did, and not the time rings?
Vegito unfusing as he's charging the final Kamehameha actually makes sense for the time limit theory
Now I want to see your thoughts on the universe 6 tournament and Tournament of power
Thats a good idea!
@@justinsden I’m curious to see what you think of those two Dragon Ball super arcs
The ending is so much better in the manga it makes sense why infinite zamasu is a thing In the manga then the anime
Been waiting for this
If I be real the anime had some better moments then the manga and same thing with the manga being better at times, they really only fight Goku black twice in the manga and anime they fight him like 3 times, some other scenes were off too like Goku Showing Trunks a new super saiyan level being Super Saiyan 3 and catching his sword with 4 fingers a nice call back to their first fight and how SSJ3 has a 400X while Super Saiyan 2 only has a 100x, while he beat him in the anime in the manga he powered up his Super Saiyan 2 to the same as Super Saiyan 3 Goku then Goku just goes god and one shots pretty waste of a scene imo, it’s worse because trunks become support for the whole arc him being a Kai isn’t that cool, Trunks getting rage at least let him keep up and even beat Goku black and Zamasus with his quick thinking, it also helped he trained with his dad seeing SSJ Blue first hand so the power up makes somewhat more sense, Vegito was done better in the manga using the sensu bean after fusing was a smart move and had pretty good moments be defused even faster than the anime where he couldn’t launch the final kamehameha while in the anime he did and it didn’t do nothing, fused Zamasu becoming a giant half corrupted being then the universe itself was weird but seeing the fusion Zamasu metal army clone was neat but just really there for spectacle yet both anime and manga fail with the ending.
If you think about it powered up ssj2 trunks should have won against goku black
Black's personality in the anime also felt better. In the manga, he's just Zamasu. In the anime, he fills like a mix of Zamasu with Goku's Saiyan Instincts and drive for battle. He's also way more calm and in control of the situation than his manga counterpart.
man I wish the the goku black arc on the anime was the same as the manga version
The worst part of the ending is how zamasu technically won. The universe got erased completely, though I feel it was a dumb way to finish it. I think that if only half of the zamasu sides had died, and the fusion split, it'd be much more interesting. Also zamasu is fantastic. The strongest Kai.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the manga version of the Goku Black arc, so there may be things that I misremember.
The manga version had many things I wished the anime had, mainly the scene where Goku Black shows remorse towards Gowasu, only to stab him right after. This re emphasizes how he truly believed that he was in the right, and how far he had gone. Additionally Trunks training with Shin increases the parallels with him and Zamasu as they were both once trained by a Supreme Kai.
Not to mention Goku was less childish in the manga.
However I personally prefer the anime version over the manga for a couple reasons (Mostly relating to Zamasu and his portrayal)
The manga version of Zamasu was already showing signs of being no good, meanwhile the anime had him with a pure heart but conflicted. Not to mention the fight with Goku made him choosing Goku’s body feel more personal.
Goku Black felt better in the anime as he kept his cool, felt more elegant and was unstoppable. I prefer villans being drastically more powerful than the heros as it encourages them to work harder. Additionally the scenes of him killing Goku and his family, Vegeta’s speech and many more make me prefer this version over the manga.
I much preferred Merged Zamasu in the anime than manga. Merged Zamasu in the anime was presented like an actual god villain with the halo, techniques etc. Meanwhile the manga version feels like a typical dragon ball villan which, depending on who u ask, would make it better. However I preferred the anime version as it made him more unique and feel more fearsome and dangerous. Additionally most people did not like the mutated Zamasu, but I personally loved it because it was symbolically representing Zamasu’s descent into madness over his ideology. Also I prefer the fact that Vegito was actually fighting instead of just destroying Zamasu.
I also preferred how the ending was handled in the anime, particularly with Infinite Zamasu.
Zamasu merging with the multiverse is much more unique as oppose another villan duplicating himself. Not to mention the stakes felt higher as he was even reaching other timelines.
Additionally it makes Zeno erasing the multiverse make more sense. The TOP shows that Zeno just needs squish his hand to erase individuals while not damaging anything else. Unlike the manga, he clearly couldn’t do that in the anime as Zamasu had become the multiverse and a higher being.
These are just some of my main reasons for liking the anime more, although I feel it also depends on the audience’s preference.
Overall the Goku Black arc is my favorite arc in Super. Despite my preference for the anime, the manga still has lots of things I wished the anime had. These are all my personal opinions, so feel free to disagree.
Shut up bro you literally read my mind this is exactly my thought, I too prefer anime over manga, the only thing manga did good imo is how future zamasu come to know about goku bcz it never shown in anime apart from that anime is superior, hot take but imo manga is overrated
I feel the same, specially about Goku Black himself. It's because of the anime that Goku Black became my favorite Dragon Ball villain. When I got to the manga, I was disappointed at his portrayal there. Plus the whole explanation about Black exploiting Zenkais doesn't make sense considering he has Goku's body. If Goku (in the manga) can't get Zenkais anymore, why Goku Black, who has the same body, can?
Was the God to Blue Switch cool? Definitely. Was it necessary? Not really, Goku and Vegeta already have the perfected Blue in the anime (evidence provided by Goku's use of the Kaioken), so it would only be useful to conserve energy (which with the fast nature of the fights wasn't really a problem).
Was Goku Black using SSJ cool? Yeah. Was it necessary? Thanks to Goku Black's trip to the past, it wasn't. It was also a good thing because Goku Black received a Zenkai, prompting his Saiyan Body and Divine Soul to finally become one. With that, Goku Black attained God Power in base (SSG is already a God Ki base form), so when he turns Super Saiyan, he becomes Rosé instead.
I could say more, but I also think there are things that could be used from the manga (mainly the whole backstory of Trunks training with Shin, that would have been a pretty good way to tie in the SSJ Rage as an incomplete SSJ Blue form acquired by his incomplete Kaioshin training), but I feel like the anime should be the base for the story, and not the opposite.
The moment zamasu split and started duplicating himself, I was like this is so much horrifying then the anime. I was actually scared for Goku and Vegeta. They did everything they could just to split one in half just for him to come back and say how about 2, 4, 8, or 1000? A truly unbelievable enemy
Great vid today honestly at first watching the anime I even preferred the universe 6 saga but once I got my hands on the manga 😮💨 sheesh
Thank you bro! I was hoping you guys were gonna like it. The manga for the Goku Black arc is so much better than the anime.
It's great but contradicts itself as much as it expands the lore. I get it the introduction of gods in regards to previous events must be accounted for. The whole not a full supreme kai makes the fusion unstable though... Wasn't Daikaio the big boss when Shin got promoted? Wouldn't that also have made Shin not officially a Supreme Kai since nobody actually promoted him? Also. Doesn't transforming drain more energy than holding the form? God switch makes no sense but it looks cool. Perfected is awesome but this goes back to Blue's terribly handled introduction... The point of that transformation is that because they mastered both their ki's they can combine them. Goku mastering both halves is the point of most of their training, so I really like that he did it here, but it wasn't called the Goku Black arc. That's what we call it now. It's officially called the Future Trunks arc. Having Goku complete the journey he started in Super during an arc where he's not supposed to be the main character was just... Par the course for dragon ball. And undercut the stakes for me. I love rage. Dude never saw it (cause he was dead), but used Gohan's ultimate attack as a form. (Anime only Gohan turns all his rage into a lightning blue energy when he kills Cell, based on his father's understanding of energy. He also told his son to use metaphysical energy from the people of the planet. Something Trunks then actually does). Both halves really shat on Trunks though. But at least the manga remembered to hose him off after. Poor unwanted child. Go back to not even your own time. 😂
Me who preferred the manga version since we got universe Zamasu at the end rather than splitting Zamasu. Zeno could have just wiped out the singular planet they were all on but just said fuck it everything goes. Made more sense for him to do it in the anime. Though the manga has Super Saiyan Goku Black and Goku doing a hakai which was cool.
Hopefully when DBS comes back, they start connecting more with the manga
Agreed
Yet a LOT of people only watch the anime and say "Super is trash" while we have THIS.
This has convinced me to check out the manga version, but I actually liked the cosmic/eldritch horror that became of Zamasu at the end of the anime tho compared to clones.
Should've also mentioned the talk between Vegeta and Future Trunks that happened before Vegeta fused with Goku.
You are amazing thank you for making a great vid
Thank you bro! I'm glad you like it!
I would say Goku blacks arc and the tournament of power arc I would make the argument of being the best
Everything right summerized-
* Totally new idea of an evil goku
* A new villian with a fearfull name that totaly doesnt imply any racist impications
* We now know the true rizz that goku had all along while being chichi's husband
* bringing back a character that wished to turn to a child, and make her date someone who is her new age (she is mentally way older)
* A deserving transformation for future trunks thqt had built up ever since the start of the arc.
* goku mastering the plot weapon, and successfully going toe-to-toe with someone that mostly kept up with his fusion with vegeta
* A satisfying ending for the future trunks arc, and future trunks himself
How awesome would it be if vegito used wolf fang fist and pierced Zamasu
By far one of my favorite arcs 🔥🔥
the only thing that really bugs me about the arc is the ending, but at least its more explained than in the anime. like trunks just up and leaves, where tf he go 😭
Why does everybody say that goku black uses ssj2 if he uses ssj1
Zamasu was lowkey the Sensui (Yu Yu Hakusho) of this arc because of how it blends into the next saga. Gowasu was a believer in the Supreme Kais NOT having a hand in the dealings of mortals and it isn't their job to act; simply watch. It's up to the Gods of Destruction to determine whether or not to intervene and wipe things out of necessary.
Such a strange concept because the Tournament of Power arc showed us that way of thinking is TERRIBLE in terms of maintaining a healthy level of stability necessary to earn a high mortal level for your universe. The four universes that didn't have to participate in the T.O.P. clearly had gods who worked together rather than one doing the heavy lifting.
When you really think about it, Zamasu was CORRECT! Aside from murdering the gods, I am curious to see what the Grand Priest or maybe even Zeno would've thought about Zamasu's quest for justice. Not sure why they'd be upset considering Zeno wipes out universes (including the gods) without a second thought...
The only 'crime' one could fault Zamasu for is interfering in the godly hierarchy of universes outside of his own; Universe 10.
Todays a good day my king updated
Lol much appreciated bro.
I liked the video. Will you do an Everything RIGHT with the Goku Black Arc in the future? (of the manga)
I think the manga version of this arc is definitely better than the anime version, like, it really is that good, especially the way they handled Shin.
That said, there are some things the anime did better or that I would have loved to see adapted into the manga version as well, like cosmic Zamasu instead of the Merged Zamasu clones, or the presence of Future Yajirobe, or Future Trunks meeting Gohan and Android 18 in the present, or Gowasu's tea scenes or Goku Black's and Zamasu's more interesting powers instead of just launching cubes. I also don't like Goku using hakai, but I love the idea of mastered blue.
I hope one day they will create a unified DBS canon that merges the best aspects of both anime and manga.
(Universe 6 Tournament, Goku Black Arc, Universal Survival Saga)
Storywise
Manga>Anime
Hypewise
Anime>Manga
I understand why Future Trunks did not stay in the main timeline, it would basically clash with the end of Z. Perhaps once we eventually get passed the end of Z we can see him making a permanent return.
finally someone who recognizes how good this arc actually was in the manga. the anime was good, but the manga did it amazingly well
This is definitely the best super ark in the manga another well made video.
Thank you bro!
@@justinsden no problem man just keep doing what you love
What would’ve made this arc a whole lot better than it is would be Goten and not Goku who fused with Zamasu.
Though the ssj rage trunks was a needless power up for toy sales. I still would say the anime did a much better job providing certain ideas and toolkits for both goku and trunks, such as providing goku and trunks with mafuba, though goku did forget about it and the tensed situation in which both goku and vegeta had to face goku black and zamasu multiple times. I still would prefer the infinite merged zamasu and cmz and they shouldve added cmz during the punishment that is getting dished out by vegeito. And the reason i prefer infinite zamasu over cooler movie omage is that in the end a villain did win and him becoming one with reality forcing zeno to wipe it all out, compared to few indefinite multiplying dudes on a planet who he couldve erased that particular aspect alone.
Providing trunks with techniques and giving him chance to save his ppl with sword of hope was nice touch, though i wish they linked with his training with the kai as spirit bomb utilises genki, which can be used for healing.
Sure the cohesiveness of the manga was done better but thats solely due to it having to rectify the issues the anime had.
Yes i get it you are not fan of trunks staying with himself and that aspect they couldve changed to trunks staying in a timeline from which the android cell has arrived. And i agree with you on it because inorder for beerus to deal with zamasu whis needs to tell him before supreme kai dies. But again toryama wanted to zeno's to exist in the main timeline.😅
Jesus, man. This is an entire article
The anime really warped the perception of the goku black arc sadly
That arc gave off a massive GT vibe for me.
Unrelated note but just wanted to say this so is goku stronger than beerus because they said jiren is stronger than his own God of deconstruction but goku defeated him with ui
The anime actually said there were 18 universes during the universe 6 arc so actually the anime did that first plus I respect your opinion but the anime was better
I know people don't really like Trunks' weird power-ups in the anime. I'll admit, they're handled pretty poorly, coming out of nowhere and not being very well explained. His weird Spirit Sword could've come across a lot better if it was established as a special technique Shin taught him before he died during his Z-Sword training, for example. That being said, I do like that the anime does at least make Future Zamasu/Goku Black into Future Trunks' specific adversaries instead of putting Goku and Vegeta as their main antagonists. This is his future, so him getting to save the day feels nice.
Of course, it would've been a lot better if it had been something like Vegito beating down Fused Zamasu to a point where Future Trunks could reasonably finish him off when they defused.
Vegito manga summary: blast away half of zamasu, Punches him, Charges final kamehameha, defuses.
Tournament of power still is way beyond this
Nah anime TOP had mid writing
great video! love goku black wouldnt mind him hitting it from the back ngl
Thank you. You’re wild LOL 😂
Love the channel!!
Thank you bro!
That was a nice way of calling out the gb anime
Goku black transforms into ssj1, not ssj2, since he has goku’s ssj1 hair ignoring those lightnings
I like the manga final battle fight better
Cause we should have seen ss goku black before rose
Then the plot twist he show us rose instead of blue
1:25 - Correction: Universe 12 DID NOT invent the Time Rings. They developed a Time MACHINE just like Future Bulma did in Future Trunks' time period.
The Time Rings are linked with time itself and when a new timeline is created, a matching Green Time Ring corresponding to that timeline is also created. The opposite is true where if a timeline is erased, its corresponding Time Ring is also destroyed.
The plot point with Universe 12 is relevant in that a Green Time Ring was born in response to their time travelling and the time machine responsible for that was rediscovered by Zamasu who would have used it to follow our heroes back to their timeline which the Time Rings couldn't do as the Rings can only go between the Future and Present.
Can you do everything wrong with Super saiyan 3
The only thing thats makes me soo angry that they make vegito a fraud,
The manga did it so much better. Ssj goku black is so amazing
Fused Zamasu didn't feel right it should feel like when your dominating the enemy once they fuse the entire fight switches to their advantage but here it was just them it just felt like they were just trying harder
EDIT: I regret what I said I just have problems with how Goku alone was dealing with the rest of what I said is nonsense
The only good thing that came out of the goku black arc in anime is black's theme
actually when whis said that jiren might be stronger than his god of destruction in their universe and both zamasus saved earth for last that means they took out al the gods and jiren in all universi implying that they were stronger than him no
(Long post to make here)
In the original timeline where Trunks comes from, the Z Fighters are all gone - in the afterlife, with King Kai, Grand Kai, etc...
In the 2nd timeline, where Goku is saved by Trunks... We learn that Goku is able to visit the 'afterlife world' via Instant Transmission (and is capable of intervening fights when Gohan is getting his Masenko handed to him (Bojack movie))...
King Kai knows of the technique Instant Transmission and how to do it... So, why aren't the deceased Z-Fighters trying to help Trunks and have him brought to King Kais' place and learn this ability, so he can either learn to locate where the new planet where the Namekians have relocated OR the planet where Granola is living (I forget the name off the back)...
[[I can't help but notice the deceased Z-Fighters aren't shown in the afterlife; I'd imagine Vegeta went to HFIL because of his bad history and doesn't have a body, whereas Goku is in spirit form while the others have bodies with halos)
In Super, no one brings up quadrants of the universe; in the afterlife world, there's a South, North, West and East Kai - and the Know-It-All Being who trades information for kisses
We don't know, but whichever of these Quadrant Kai's can't be bothered to locate EITHER the newly relocated planet of the Namekians or the planet where Granola is, so he can use those 2 Dragon Balls to revive Piccolo and Kami (remember: they never merged in this timeline)
Bro hates master Roshi with a passion
Here's My preferences of the first five arcs of Super, which one I prefer
Battle of Gods the movie for the Beerus Arc
I consider both the Anime and the Movie version Resurrection F
Universe 6 and Goku Black Arc Manga
And Tournament Of Power Anime Version easily
Interesting to see your analysis on other arcs especially compared to the manga Interesting video dude 💪 I am more familiar with the anime & even I don't think this is the best arc of dragon ball super in particular (maybe tournament of power or moro tops it for me 😅) still though it's nice to see the manga get praise as I often see people criticising the manga 😂
By the way any update on naruto summaries & when that will release I been waiting 😂?
Thank you bro. In my opinion the manga doesn't get nearly as much praise as it should. The arcs are a lot better in them, though the anime has SOME moments that are better.
Lol I'm glad to see that you're excited for them. I plan to release the Naruto summaries this year for sure. I have a mini vacation planned for the end of this month so I'll be out for a little, but I'm already scripting the first Naruto Arc as we speak. As far as a specific release date, I'm not sure but I'm working to make it as soon as possible. I got you!
The inclusion of future mai in this arc was weird af. I get it with kid trunks but for the future timeline was kinda sus.
super wasn't a gt, but its definely no Z in which some directors are trying to hard to smash on the narrative and failed miserably
Anything involving future trunks turns into gold
Future Trunks should have stayed with us
When it's executed correctly, I agree. He definitely should have stayed.
I wonder what’s going on in the civilization who made the time rings in universe 12
the universe 12 civilization invented a time machine not the time rings.
Hey bro, can you do more of these kinds of vids
I definitely will!
One of my favorite scenes in the show version is still goku with 2 broken arms slapping the shit outta Zamasu with kicks
He's arm wasn't broken just limp but yeah I agree best scene ever
God i hate how weak and young and naive Future Trunks looks compared to his Z self
Can you do everything wrong with Super saiyaon blue
I liked this arc way more than tournament of power or moro arc
I don't blame you!
Honestly i think pulling from both stories would make the whole arc better, i do think both interpretations of the story is lacking on their own. I feel black was better handled in the manga in terms of fights, zamasu in the anime in terms of fights and the reverse for plot.
At the same time, i think zamasu swapping bodies with goku was lame. Once that was revealed, i lost interest in the story. Would of been more interesting if they went with gohan swapped instead.
All facts brother 🙏🏽
Okay, yeah, but in the comics, you have to read right to left *in the English versions* just to play along with weebs. Cartoon for me!
Despite the ending kind of ruining this saga, it’s still one of my favorites in Dragon Ball.
I agree with this. The ending in both the manga and anime sucked, but the manga still managed to do it better, making this arc amazing for me.