Im surprised Grace said they de-powered Wanda because she was relentlessly powerful in this movie. She bulldozed through every obstacle. Although im unsure how Wanda will continue after this. I agree they should have made it more clear on how she got corrupted by the darkhold, they mention it in the movie but maybe having a flashback at the start would have helped.
I think it's the opposite of depowering the character. She was too much and too fast. She wasn't really Wanda and there was no real setup for her to be as she was.
I will say I was really happy to see the cameos in this movie end up getting destroyed in 2 minutes. I hate how people all want these marvel movies to be cameo after cameo for 2 hours straight now so it was great seeing only a couple and then have them murdered in crazy ways lol. Worst part is this stuff gets leaked months in advance so people just want to see stuff they already know, not even get surprised. Loved what we got instead.
Totally agree. Grace is let down because she wanted this big X-men reveal and didn’t get it. The movie was great and Wanda killing the cameos just showed me how powerful she really was. I loved it lol
@@Dis2good I had the "tom cruise tony stark" cameo that never happened spoiled for me by Grace like over a year ago when she casually mentioned it in a random video lol. I'm glad that never happened now. the only way this movie wouldn't become "cameos: the movie", is if they killed them all off immediately so i'm glad they did.
I agree, very reminiscent of the intro of Suicide Squad if you watched that. Amazing way of introducing actors and characters into the MCU & adding stakes to the movie.
I don’t understand everyone’s issues with Wanda. I guess if you wanted her to be a hero I can see how’d you’d be disappointed but I found her to be an extremely compelling antagonist, and her arc reminded me of another amazing villain from a Sam Raimi movie, Doc Ock. I loved every element of her character.
No one minds her being a villain. That's what we all expected. But she was unrecognizable in this movie. It's not the Wanda from the end of WandaVision. She just suddenly was the most evil villain of the MCU out of nowhere. We could have at least seen her slow descent into madness.
@@__Oku__ Maybe it was because I wasn’t all that attached to her before, I didn’t mind not seeing the “descent” on screen. The book corrupted her and that was enough of an explanation for me. I thought even as a villain, she was the most compelling and complex character.
EXACTLY! many people are mad because they liked the character and therefore wanted her to be heroic. But if you follow her character's journey, everything tracks extremely well. It wasn't jarring in the least. In fact, I was shocked with how many people felt Wanda deserved to get off scot free at the end of WandaVision.
Wanda has had a screw loose every since her first MCU introduction. Me and my wife have been waiting years for her to finally snap and this movie finally delivered that snap.
@@GuillermoManzano-vl4qp Watching somebody's journey from their first introduction to the point of corruption does, in fact, make for pretty good storytelling for a lot of people
Exactly! The MCU's Wanda has been so held back for too long and drawn out. Every time she was in a film I was disappointed that this was suppose to be the Scarlet Witch, as Im more an X-Men fan. FINALLY she got here. She is meant to be a super villian, and it seems like MCU people don't know this??? They just want some romance the whole time with Vision. Like, I enjoyed Wandavision, but I don't want that all the time.
i personally LOVED the music fight - although i understand that it may be a bit wacky, strange has ALWAYS been creative in his spell casting; he made floating dog heads and turns stuff into butterflies, therefore why is turning music notes into weapons where we draw the line? i don’t agree that you need an appreciation for music to understand that the creativity was entertaining
I would find a magical staff coming my way rather frightening. We saw what happened to Peggy Carter, imagine the damage a staff could do slicing through you
The most disappointing thing was that in the first Doctor Strange movie, it was established as Strange overreaching and tampering with time will have its consequences. In No Way Home it was established that Strange tampering with reality will have its consequences. But in the follow-up, we see there's no such consequences but the antagonist is Wanda. It detaches the whole arc from its core as it doesn't deliver on what promised. This movie should actually have explored the ramifications of Strange messing with reality in No Way Home and if it did have a villain in Wanda, then it should've been a variant while the MCU proper Wanda was recruited to help Strange but she was seduced by the possibility that she can make her family whole in the multiverse. The darkhold corrupting Wanda could have been explored and like Agathe said, a version of Wanda who became totally possessed by Chthon would have been shown as a parallel or a cautionary tale.
They should hire you to write. Yea, it was more like a WandaVision 2 movie than a Dr. Strange follow-up. I'm one of the few that thought his first movie was actually really good and presented interesting and new ideas not often explored in movies in general. The idea of the spiritual realm or "astral plane" here on earth being a place where human spirits, demons and angels operate within our world was very interesting to me. I liked the idea of an overlap of 2 dimensions that regular humans can't see. I was looking forward to Dr. Strange story lines dealing with spiritual problems that physical medicine can't solve (thus bringing his true purpose from being a medical doctor to being a spiritual doctor to fruition).
@@mjamitche5245 as much as I'd dream anyday to work in a comic book movie, I do know how tough it is to write a feature film. Fanfics are easy as our imagination runs wild. Nonetheless, for MCU, it's tough nowadays. We want more of everything. It needs to be on point everytime.
I was really looking forward to a movie focused on Dr. Strange and the kind of things he does that are maybe less epic than "world ending" situations. I really didn't need Wanda in Dr. Strange 2 at all, but as long as we had to have her I was thinking she would be along for the ride since they have different types of magic. This ended up being more like her movie, IMO.
The movie is all over the place when it comes to Wanda's power set, sometimes she does cool magic tricks for us to watch, other times she goes full berserk, but most of the times holds back her true potential for some reason even though clearly she's already crossed the line in this movie.
Wanda showed immense versatility with her power set very imaginative how she used her entire set to do different things and how her powers translated based on what situation she was in
To me she didn’t “feel” powerful to me there’s a difference there. Most of the time she shot bolts or used telekinesis to kill people but there is so much more you can do with that. I also agree how at some point Wanda shoots a bolt and someone’s dead and at another she can’t even chase someone down a hall way
One doesn't negate the other, she's depicted as being unstoppable and capable of everything, but her feats of power lacked grandiosity, she could destroy an infinity stone while holding back the guy that already had the other 5 in use, what she does in the movie is nowhere near that.
Professor X being revealed with the animated xmen theme? Perfect. I had the biggest grin on my face. I was so hoping he would drop a hint to her being a mutant as well.
I wanted to see Wanda go harder in Wandavision so I loved this. And I don’t think she was a hysterical woman I think she was single minded. And then at the end she finally took responsibility
Totally agree! It kind of sucks to see so many female villains criticized for reinforcing the "hysterical" stereotype or being constantly referred to as "tropes." Why are male villains in the MCU allowed to be violent and "mad" but Wanda is not afforded the same privilege? She has strong motivations in this movie and she has a history of being a villain, so it worked for me. She was a GREAT villain, not a hysterical woman!
Nah she wasn’t hysterical. But they could have allowed us the satisfaction of Dr Strange defeating her at the end except for that stupid resolution we got.
@@mdnafieuhossainalif1628 the point is no one can defeat her. That's why they are running from her. Honestly i liked that final scene of Wanda. But it's a very weak conclusion in terms of action.
@@obi-wankenobi5576 they did say that the book of Vishanti would’ve allowed Strange to beat her. It’s fine that she is powerful and evil, but let’s not forgive her so quickly. It would be like saying Thanos was redeemed after he destroyed the stones so that other won’t be tempted by it.
@@mdnafieuhossainalif1628 I kinda get what you're saying, but thanos destroyed the stones so his plan couldn't be reversed whereas here she didn't want others to become corrupted like she was.
It was underwhelming… what is really sad is this could of been on the endgame and Spider-Man level … that’s what sucks it built up and was a let down … this was supposed to be a follow up to some amazing titles but it wasn’t even as good as the movies and shows it was built from
6/10 it was messy for sure, and Wanda really did seem evil really damn quick. In Wandavision she seemed remorseful at the end of the show. And then in this she's straight evil. The hell? Plus some of the acting was very bad.
Endgame sucked so bad,why is people using the term endgame level,endgame sucked so bad infinity war way better.Endgame CGI sucked and literally no action scene until climax which was choreographed very bad
No - I think she is reviewing the movie that's there - but wondering why they didn't choose a different path. In this case I 100% agree. This was a garbage-fire of a movie in terms of it's MCU internal consistency.
LMAO. I totally agree! She expected this big X-Men reveal and 20 minutes of Captain Marvel. I looked back at some of her old videos and she’s usually never happy lol
@@AdelaideBen1 that's your opinion though. Others see something else-- and it's insane to think she'd defend the Batman tooth and nail when I couldn't even finish it but that's the beauty of such a huge market. Not everyone needs to enjoy something for it to be successful, anymore, and now Wanda fans like me can just... be happy.
So strange how people can watch a movie and have a totally different experience. But such is life I suppose. I absolutely adored this movie, one of my favourite marvel movies for sure.
I personally agreed with pretty much all her points. This movie to me felt pretty poorly written, rushed and messy. I also thought they underplayed many characters including Dr.Strange . But like you said everyone has different opinons
"Why was she going easy on during the attack on Karmar-Taj?" Because Wanda clearly said she was going to be "reasonable". That's why she was firing isolated attacks. Didn't see Wanda become more powerful than you've ever seen her before? Again, she single-handedly killed some incredibly powerful heroes, including Captain Marvel. Did Grace watch the same film we did?
To be fair, Wanda's transformation was heavily hinted at in Wandavision unlike the sudden switch for Daenerys. Wanda is also known for her extremely unstable psyche
I dont like it. I'm a wanda fan, and they literally made her irredeemable. I was on board with her being something of an "anti-hero", but she was more evil and bloodthirsty than any other MCU villain I can think of 👎
“Face your fears, Doctor Strange.” One of my favorite lines in the movie. As someone who has also had a past of being afraid of their emotions which affected my relationships, I found Stephen’s character arc really powerful. I thought Sam Raimi really humanized him as a character.
Has everyone forgot how Wanda held an entire town hostage and basically tortured them? She was evil well before this film started. I was afraid they were going to brush aside her evil deeds and try to paint her as a hero again. Thankfully they didn't undo what WandaVision had set up.
Agreed. Wanda has always been a questionable character. I don't really get what a lot of others see in her unless they're projecting a comics version on the mcu. Every movie she's done dodgy shit. She volunteered for Hydra, mind controlled the avengers and helped Ultron, she didn't like being on house arrest after killing innocents so ran out to destroy an airport, didn't want to sacrifice her A.I. boyfriend so let's sacrifice all those Wakandans soldiers and half the galaxy. Then she mind controlled the whole town and still saw herself as the victim when called out. Then this movie? Massacres all those sorcerers? Willing to kill a teenager. She's a villain. She always has been. The films just need to stop trying to frame her story as a poor little sad girl.
And what about the part when she frees them because they suffered. Because here she just killed everybody. No questions asked. This movie is mess of continuity
@@ShadowSonic2 show don't tell. The movie did a horrible job at showing the change. When we see her she is crazy. Why didn't it corrupt Dr Strange that fast then? Wanda is much stronger than him and yet she was currupted instantly?
I have never disagreed with Grace so much. The decision that made the world different could have taken place decades, hundreds or even millions of years ago. We didn't need an explanation for everything.
@@robertbench5187 see how we saw a paint world for half a second, let's stop the movie so that we can tell you the story of a paint universe... take it over Uatu, 10 minutes of explanation for a half a second shot... makes sense
@@7pablomarmol Oh how about we go to other universe rather than the one with that wasted illuminati to get some more elements and context and explore more of that rather than sticking and wasting time on like 2 universe. Like bruh what's the point of having Multiverse in it's title when we won't even explore the Multiverse?
I beg to disagree, Grace. The Fantastic 4 were always my faves and I'm EXTREMELY happy with good ol' Krasi. I liked Gruff too, but Krasi is impeccable as Mr Fantastic.
She really just said we didn't need the illuminati and wanted to be shown multiple break ups between strange and christine instead???? Like what? Then two seconds later Grace says that the actors had no chemistry anyway, Why would you wanna see more scenes of them together then??? contradictions everywhere is this review.
So I read a very detailed leak from 4chan many many months ago by someone who claimed to have gone to a test screening and about 85% of what they said was in the movie (and this was stuff NOT in trailers such as the music battle) which makes me believe they saw the version before reshoots - in that version they said that Wanda was being manipulated by Cthon and the demons goal was to get America’s powers so it could crossover and take over multiverses (but Wanda believed it was so she could have her boys back). Then at the end Strange was able to break Wanda free of its manipulation and they both took it on and she ended up sacrificing herself by destroying the castle to prevent that from happening to anyone else from. It kind of “redeemed” her and explained why she suddenly went bad. If that was in fact true and they changed that aspect during reshoots, I’m curious to know why.
Probably because Wanda being corrupted while greiving for her family is a far more engaging and relatable story than a demon possessing her and taking all agency away from the character?
Maybe because Wanda became a fan favourite with women, they didn't like the idea of her being manipulated by something and preferred her being in control.
It's sounds as though this plotline had too many similarities with what went on with Wenwu (The Mandarin) in Shang-Chi - unless it was to be revealed Chthon was behind that too?
I don’t care what anyone says I loved the movie . Obviously there are faults but I just loved it so much tbh. Grace I’m happy to say I disagree with you heavily !
I mean they nerfed so many characters way harder than Wanda. Remeber Classic Strange from the comics? Guy would stomp Wanda but atlas he was so broken they had to nerf him strange in the comics today is only a copy of the multiversal strange. Classic strange was trying to hide from living tribunal, so you know what he did? He created trillions of copies of himself, each universal in power, and each copy protects each universe. So that 616 dr strange has only ever been a copy of the multiversal classic strange from the 70-80s
@@arnneshiran8509 Wanda can literally warp reality, and create whatever she desires out of thin air…those are just two descriptions of her unimaginable powers. She could wipe half of the mutant population from existence…but strange can stomp her! Stop being fucking delusional.
As someone who religiously watches and rewatches the MCU, I disagree in stating that it contradicts and ignores previous stories. After all, Wanda literally just lost everything yet again after all of the trauma that she went through in WandaVision. It’s perfectly reasonable to me that she would go to measures this extreme.
Especially after using the dark hold for so long she says it only made Wanda go crazy where in the movie countless times it explains what it does to the users
Completely disagree. The film was great, Wanda is absolutely menacing, so creepy with the whole Nurse Ratched vibes. Sam Rami’s directing stands out in the best ways, this felt like the perfect tie-in to Wandavision. The Illuminati fight scene was so bizarrely cool and slightly disturbing, my favorite part by far. And seeing Krasinski, after learning from Wandavision not to get my expectations too high, this tied the bow on the package that is Wandavision.
I’ll be honest, I don’t think I’ve disagreed with Grace more, really enjoyed the film and the female characters in it. Loved seeing Wanda absolutely decimate everyone.
Grace destroyed Dr Strange 1 in her review back when it came out, and lately she ranks it among her favourite MCU movies. She comes at it knowing so much from behind the curtain that maybe she's jaded with the film in the moment. For her real reaction we need to wait a couple of years, maybe.
My 2 biggest problems with this movie are: 1) It feels like there are 10 minutes missing in the beginning that set up Wanda being a villain(before the first scene) and 2) it also feels like we just did the same thing again as in Wandavison, just darker. Idk I will have to rewatch it once it comes out on Disney+ and see how I feel then. (I have never watched a movie more than once in the cinema)
@@callmesoul1468 I have seen Agents of Shield(canon or not) and I know what the darkhold does, but it would have been far better to actually see that. (By the way why was that Mordor post credit scene from Dr strange 1 never paid off)
The movie kept repeating the Darkhold made her go berserk, after watching Grace's non spoiler review I was worried they wouldn't explain a thing and after watching the movie her comments made no sense for me.
Watch Agents of Shield season 4 and there you will understand all you need to know about the Darkhold. My theory is (and this isn't mine actually... thus has been around): the creator of the darkhold Chthon had something to do with Wanda going nuts... and other readers as well...
Didn’t agatha have the darkhold for like so many years?? Maybe over a 100??? This means she had time to overcome the darkness and control it instead of letting it control her. The thing about wanda is she was completely new to it, and had a desperate reason to use the darkhold. The darkhold exploited that desperateness
Also Agatha herself said that Wanda was the most powerful witch just naturally, so it makes sense that Agatha couldn't damage the world as much as Wanda could
I think the music fight is a call back to dr strange knowing a lot about music . It was kind of his super power before he got super powers .before his big surgery successes he would guess the random song being played . So he saw the notes and was inspired to use them
It just seemed like a total Doctor Strange thing to me and I appreciated it for it. It’s so weird and that’s how I perceive the character and his stories. I do believe some more heart was required in the story when it comes to his character. I think this movie will be a hit in time with all the fans that are divided at the moment.
I just seen it last night and I have to say, I enjoyed the movie. Wasn't expecting it to be so dark BUT I loved it. Wanda was phenomenal. She was a straight savage and I really enjoyed that. Dr. Strange did awesome as well. Everybody was cheering when they showed the Illuminati. One of my favorite scenes was the Music Fight. Everybody in the theater was laughing lol.
@@theskinnyindiankid it was so quirky and so Doctor Strange, in my opinion. Plus the different songs that were playing from each of them. It was like Good vs Bad
The music fight was absolute genius and I loved every minute of it. It did come out of nowhere though, so I understand why some people were put off by it. Unfortunately, this movie has a lot of sequences that come out of nowhere, but I guess it lives up to the title in that respect. It really is maddening in some places.
I really enjoyed this one! Sorry the hear you didn’t feel the same way Grace. I’m so happy Sam Rami is back directing and adding a beautiful style to one of these theme park rides.
When a man becomes a villain, he’s a badass. But when a woman becomes a villain, she’s hysterical? BIG disagree. I absolutely loved her finally breaking and going full mad. She’s lost something in EVERY film that she’s appeared in so the build up was there. Already watched it twice in theatres and might even go again.
it's her reason for becoming a villain that's retarded. if a man had the same motives, it would be just as dumb... but good for you, keep wasting your money
Bruhhhh Wanda instantly top 5 mcu villains as we already understand her backstory and pain which drives and motivates her. And the sheer nonchalant way she went through the illuminati was epic. Her with Raimis horror direction worked so well. Just a shame that it’s obvious a lot of the film was cut and you can tell.
The problem with this is that Wanda went so far that she is kinda beyond redemption. If she isn't dead, it's gonna he real hard to overlook all the poeple she murdered in brutal fashion, Darkhold or not.
@@46sn29 yeah I agree, I knew she would go dark in this film but how brutal she was genuinely shocked me, going to be interesting to see what her future will be but like you said she went too far so maybe anti hero?
She’s just straight up evil. This film took her far beyond redemption. She had an arc is wandavision and they just repeated the same shit here. Man the story was dogshit in this movie.
@Lee So was Loki. But he never went so far to the point where the audience would openly reject his redemption arc. A similar arc will be a tough sell for Wanda. I think she's permanently a villain now. Or she's dead and we'll get some alt version of her, which would be a total cop out.
@@46sn29 she isn't dead and that's the point of the Scarlet Witch, up to date in the comics she hasn't being forgiven by the mutant community after what she did. She's supposed to be that divisive. The aftermath of House Of M she goes missing and has a "redemption arc" just keep waiting.
The way I feel about it is that doctor strange works a bit like green lantern in the mcu. He has got some "standard" attacdks, like the bands and the sling rings and what not and after that it comes down to his creativity and imagination. Thats also how he could overcome a lot of the obstacles in the first movie (by quick thinking and creative problem solving rather than being the most powerful sorcerer). In that sense I justified it for myself in that he accidentally hit the piano keyboard as he was getting up and that gave him the idea to use this kind of magic. From there it just escaleted because dark strange was sort of inspired by 616 strange and vice versa. I do agree though that thinking about it the scene can seem a bit odd. Didn't stick out to me though.
I loved it because it felt like the Doctor Strange version of a Jackie Chan/Jason Bourne fight using whatever was around them. It could have been used more fully, though. Commit to it, vary it, and let us know how these magical notes act differently from normal, sparkly magic. Stranger’s fights with Thanos did a much better job at this. Without explaining everything, each magic attack felt unique.
The music scene was great because it actually felt new, creative and something u never really see and in the MCU that’s rare. It’s like in WandaVision how the 2 visions fought with there intellect. I’m also really into music.
I think musicians or people who read music would actually get the nuances of that scene including how they actually started composing music and writing it, to use it to fight. I really expected more of that kind of creativity in a Dr. Strange movie and was glad the writer/directer did something innovative.
Wanda was straight up murdering everyone… and they made Witch sound like a derogatory. Which sort of undermines WandaVision’s story. The cameos were fun but there to be killed. The “scary” scenes were well done. Wanda was great but I don’t know how they’ll try to redeem her.
I think they should’ve hit more home the fact the darkhold was corrupting her & as for redeeming I think they needa give her a thor arrive in wakanda kind of moment in a future film
@@Lvestfold4143 but that's so lame. How often do we see her use runes? And what does using them even do? The MCU needs to develop a strong magic system for their mystical branch of movies if they really want it to succeed.
This movie was great. The horror vibe, Wanda, violence, and more. They didn’t downplay Wanda at all the hell 😂 she was OP as hell the whole way through the movie.
Must have seen a different movie from me, there was no horror and violence, just because some shots looked like they were shot by raimi, doesnt make it the evil dead. Everyone just gets killed by a CG red light, so not scary at all. Wanda was powerful, but bland. This film was a huge disappointment, it had so much potential!
@@joekletz2705 lol let’s ignore black bolts head exploding, professor x’s head getting snapped, supreme strange getting stabbed and killed, other strange getting impaled, and so much more 😂
This movie was just a complete mess. Ridiculous dialogue, events that make no sense, no respect for the characters, no sensible themes, etc. The music fight was just nonsense and not even interesting musically-speaking. As a big Marvel fan, this was a 3 or 4/10 for me.
I can't believe how disappointed I was with this movie, for me, the script was the main issue. Agree a 1000% we needed to see how Wanda got corrupted by the Darkhold. The Illuminati was the lamest thing I've ever seen and the way Wanda killed Professor X, they could've had a powerful telepathic fight. I'm so disappointed and this is the end of Wanda, she can't comeback after all that carnage.
@@Daniel-lq5qq the entire Illuminati fight was beyond dumb, but you have Professor MF X and you do that to him? I can't believe Feige approved all of that. The Illuminati was not needed, they did it for the sake of a cameo and it didn't work (for me at least). Man I'm so dissapointed
Man I just don’t agree with so many criticisms here. I just got out and thought the movie was EXTREMELY satisfying and I love that they turned Wanda into a full on villain. I was entertained start to finish, brilliant movie imo. Also LOVED the music fight, honestly I disagree with almost everything Grace says here 😂
💯 Same. The whole movie was so inventive and fresh! The music fight scene was such an awesome touch. She def didn’t understand the music connection. Or Dr.Strange doing different spells. Or the Darkhold and it’s connection to Wanda. Or the Darkhold corruptions to others. Or that WW1984 was an entire debacle of a movie and in no way should it or any part of it be compared to this movie. Lol
Yeah I think a lot of us are surprised by Grace’s takes on this one. I’ll agree with some of the disjointed nature of the film, but it was still wildly entertaining.
I always love seeing Grace's analysis because she has very strong opinions. Of course, that means often i strongly disagree with her 😅 This is one of those times. I think me and Grace just had wildly different expectations from this film.
@@ZoeG2099 I'm not even sure why she felt so strongly about not detailing each universe and what made them so different and that they need to have an explanation like in What If. If anything, What If is the explanation. There was no need to do that here as well. Only problem for me with this movie is that it felt like a speedrun but man, they really bumped up Wanda's power.
@@ZoeG2099 yeah she probably needs to go watch it again.. because I'm pretty sure that the strange for the Luminati universe had black hands in the scene where they defeated Thanos. 🤔
I think she's right about a lot of things.for one, the power levels were so random. She warps reality in some scenes but then limps after people in others. It makes no sense. Also how can any of you forgive the downright lazy writing. America ends up controlling her powers simply after being told she can? Like wtf. The cameos were also super lame. She kills two of them in seconds but takes longer for the other two? And I don't think anyone wanted professor X to appear for two lines and a neck snap. I also didn't care for the Christine storyline.Because in the first doctor strange movie he seems like he was over it. The storyline on this felt like a continuation of a Dr strange from some other universe or something. Also, this might just be me, but I found the editing a little off. Some scenes switched as if we missed something.
It's funny you, grace, only notice when women are "wronged" or short changed in the movie but the last two survivors who put up any fight of the illuminati are women and they have the longest fight scene out of the illuminati with Wanda
I'm like one of 10 people that are big fans of Inhumans and think Marvel did them so dirty and used them as a punching bag because they couldn't get their act together with the X-Men and Fox. So I was extremely happy to see Black Bolt be given another chance after the disaster of a series they gave Inhumans. Yeah, his power is a little nerfed here, but whatever, that's probably for the best.
So the music fight was probably my favorite action scene in the whole film simply because I recognized almost every piece that was borrowed from. It's cheesy, it'd stupid, it's hilarious, but it felt like 2 musicians with excellent mastery having a play off. Hearing the music go all out was really fun. It was also one of the few if the only scene that I thought took advantage of the set and I really didn't see it coming. You also have the vortex in the background adding to the drama. It felt very operatic.
How long do you want this movie to be? They can't explain every single difference in each universe they come across. We were perfectly accepting of Alligator Loki, but different coloured traffic lights is where the line is drawn? Also you say that Wanda is oddly hysterical, whilst also forgetting that she tortured and enslaved a town full of people (and her confrontation with SWORD makes it apparent that she caught onto what she was doing.) Wanda was already rather insane in Wandavision, and the Darkhold simply made it worse. I also don't see how she is one-dimensional. One-dimensional is how I describe Endgame Thanos because he wants to destroy everything. Wanda wanted her sons, the family she never got, because she knows that almost every version of her has that. That scene where the boys are throwing things at her and running in fear GUTTED me man. I hardly call that one-dimensional It's a real shame you didn't like this movie that much because I thought it slapped. Not an MCU top tier but I think it was better FATWS, the second half of Wandavision, What If? and Black Widow for sure. Great movie (also I think the music fight worked for me not only because I love music and thought it visually looked awesome, but in the first Strange movie he seemed to be somewhat of a muso)
I think the idea that America, basically a multiversal tourist, ended up in a America, an entire country named after her and that, along with how amazing it must be as a foreigner must be why she adopted the look.
The music fight was wonderful. It was super clever, super creative, super original AND it was an awesome tribute to Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and basically all foundantions of classical music.
I know I’m late to the game, but I also enjoyed the music fight as well! I was not familiar with the music specifically, but I thought it was awesome to show how music is magical. In the MCU, it’s been said that science and magic are the same, and the spells Doctor Strange casts are very methodical…. So is composing music. I don’t study nor understand music theory, but I know it exists, and it brings about one of my greatest loves in life, music. When he plucked that harp to create that little bit of magic, I understood the whole fight much more than during it.
I disagree with a lot of her opinion and everyone has the right to their own opinion, but my whole theatre loved that music fight and the pep talk with America as the zombie no one laughed until he winked. Everyone also gasped at how easily she defeated the Illuminati too.
I loved the music fight it was fun and I felt it was almost breaking the fourth wall. In terms of the magic it’s establish Dr Strange uses many different kinds of spells, he almost used goblin hands things for the first time in this movie
Yes. I thought it was stupidly fun and creative. I don't get that criticism that "we haven't seen him use that before". Pretty much every trick Strange uses is new to us, and that is part of the fun. It's magic!
Breaking the fourth wall isn't a good thing when it is not done ironically. That's why the term breaking the fourth wall even exists! The scene was technically brilliant and pragmatically stupid. Style over substance period!
i actually loved how unhinged and comics accurate she was. if u read avengers disassembled u can see how a grief stricken wanda is driven to madness. and sam raimi killed it!! love the 80s horror/comedy touch! i’m more forgiving of how rushed the development was for her and most of these movies don’t take time to flesh out big events. civil was was way more rushed compared to this. so i wouldn’t hold it against the film enough for it to be that big of a deal.
I'd agree if they made other characters comic accurate. It's pretty stupid when you make Wanda comic accurate while nerfing dr.strange and using terrible writing as a way for her to defeat the illuminati.
I agree it should have been a Wanda from a different universe. But Wanda wasn’t hysterical from my perspective. I felt she wasn’t justified in what she was doing but I completely understood why she was doing it. Especially with the extra push from the Darkhold. She had some of, if not the best lines in the movie too.
We should have seen Chthon in some form. Chthon is the dark part of Wanda. The "truth" Chthon stated to Wanda is never explained. I presume Wanda's dreams are Elder God powers. The film never explains why Chthon is only focusing on one Wanda, and not the "drone" Wanda's. The statues and demons have horned chins, just like The Other, who gave Loki the scepter.
Oh Grace, we see such different things in our movies. I almost never see eye to eye with you. I adored this movie. Found substantial connections. And I thought it was a great sequel to WandaVision. Still love the content though. Always nice to see a different perspective
It's because when Grace thinks the movie should go in a certain direction that she's willing to die on that hill. Like what does it matter if they showed America's sexuality?!??
@@Latinofire202 On one hand, showing America has two mothers is realistic of things today but I can see where people could be frustrated if they feel that it was just put in there to fill in the inclusive box. I know some people want to see lgbtq+ in a marvel film and it actually contribute to the story.
I don't understand how they made a film introducing the multiverse feel so small. I think a big problem with the film was America being the one to push the story forward. She was really weak, at some points I felt I was watching a TV show. The third act was the worst part of the film, I didn't really care what happened to the characters, even tho doctor strange and Wanda are my favourite characters 😅
@@thomasmichael2766 the end credit scene was the perfect ending to that disappointment 😂 tbh the film did have its good moments, but the story did not go where it should have.
exactly, for a multiverse movie it felt extremely small scale, even Loki had better multiverse shenanigans than this, and are we ever gonna address Mordo getting rid of sorcerers in 616?
Maybe the problem was it was filmed at the worst pandemic moment at the beginning of 2021... Other than that I have no idea yeah we all expected like 4-5 universe jumps and we got ... 2?
I liked the music fight because it was new and clever, plus it’s just Strange using his resources. Plus with (our) Strange using music it’s only fitting that (other) Strange fights back using his tactics. It was fun and it meant to be taken so seriously. Why do we want another typical fight we’ve been seeing all film and in others? This was clever! Strange is one to use whatever he can!
Good take. I thought it was silly/campy/fun. Dr. Strange fighting Himself was a silly concept that has already been done in what if with magic, plus there was a Captain America fist fight that was already done. Needed to do something to differentiate this fight.
Agree with you. It brought light to this “scary” film set up. Like it made it feel like a comic book since at this point the tones and what not were very serious so it made me enjoy it a lot more.
Still makes no sense..why would he need to use musical instruments tk fight when there are better powerful spells? Just came off as random and werid...he might as well use cockroaches to attack people..
@@xaldinfash8252 there are better spells? Define better? How do you know what spells would work best in an alternate reality duel between two make believe scorcerers? One of whome just jumped realities
America should look like she came out of In the Heights? She looked fine. I'm Latino and she looks like and dresses like several people I grew up with. She doesn't have to look one particular way to be authentic. She looked perfectly okay.
Just because stories in What If weren’t that different from the MCU doesn’t mean the infinite number of universes are. Those handful of episodes are nothing in the grand scheme.
You are making the mistake of "infinite universes" with interesting movies... no one wants to see ridiculously random universes... it IS a movie. I don't have a problem with it being a limited variation. I have a problem with the variations not being that interesting.
I didn't enjoy enjoy the music fight, but I didn't think it was out of place because of various other random humorous parts in the movie and I just thought that that was the style they were going for in this movie and it worked I think with Doctor Strange.
Grace shows more and more how much she doesn't get not only the MCU, but movies in general. Reid Richard's was bad casting? Are you out of your mind? And the multiverse was exactly what it should be. Grace: "Sam Rami was a bad choice." Literally every other critic: "Sam Rami was perfect for this movie!"
15:30 guess that women get dark fingers when they read the darkhold and men get a third eye when they read the darkhold?? But then it doesn’t make sense because the other dr strange (the one that started the illuminati) had black fingers and no third eye, so?
Also, I liked the musical fight scene. It made me realize musical notes are just runes of their own and the allusion to music being magic, I’m all for it.
Yes yes yes‼️I definitely agree that’s exactly how I processed it. Plus my audience was literally in awe of what was happening and how the actual music was being weaponized it was a phenomenal spectacle to behold 10/10
OUTSTANDING Film, it was hard to swallow seeing what happened To Professor X but for the story and Wanda being the films Villian I accepted it and I think it benefited the film.
Considering most, if not all, of the Illuminati in this movie were variants, Feige could still work around it with writing these characters back into the MCU by simply plucking them from another dimension/timeline where they survived.
The movie was disappointing as hell,the script is so bad,the dialogue is laughably bad and the half baked cgi just makes this movie extremely underwhelming
I DO NOT GET the hate. Me, my wife and another couple went, guys are huge Marvel fans, girls are casuals, and everyone thought it was a great movie. I think people are addicted to hate clicks at this point.
I enjoyed seeing Wanda as a Villain here since that reflects her story in the comics, they definitely gave her free reign for her to unleash Chaos and her power however she wanted to. But I was just disappointed that to me there were not enough fight scenes between Scarlett Witch and Doctor Strange against each other with both of them being at they're most powerful. Like you couldn't see them show their extreme levels of power at the same time they had to stagger them apart.
I definitely agree that the ad campaign revealed way too much of this movie. Many of the twists might have hit harder had they not been set up in the trailer to be a taste of something bigger, when in reality they were the whole meal. If they continue with this trend, I will have to be careful of how much promotional stuff I look at to preserve my viewing experience, which really sucks because I love a well-made trailer that gets you properly excited for what's to come. Feige apparently isn't happy with it either, and I hope the other execs understand why.
yes I stopped watching trailers for the MCU years ago because of this problem. What you saw in the trailer was the whole meal. not just a taste that foreshadows something better.
It’s been a year and now I can say the title should’ve been Dr. Strange and The Scarlett Witch in One other Universe of Madness. It’s barely his own movie and more of a sequel to WandaVision, however this isn’t the movie I would’ve wanted for her. Quite sad they didn’t just give Wanda her own solo movie that could lead to her meeting her true father Magneto, and introduce the X-Men. Mordo should’ve been the villain as he was set up to be at the end of Dr. Strange. No instead we get an alternative version of him that has no relation to the MCU Dr. Strange. The only information we get is that the main MCU Mordo had deadly battles with Dr. Strange but off screen. We never know what their relationship is like after the first movie.
Her view of multiverses is weird. There’s space for universes that are slightly different and others that are wildly different. Also the sacred timeline was destroyed in Loki so variations will make things much different than the small variations allowed before by he should remains.
Couldn’t agree more. I was so disappointed with how they treated Wanda, massive regression for the character. And to not see any Vision didn’t make any sense.
As a hardcore marvel fan I loved this movie because they finally did something a lot different, I think it’s different and it’s not perfect. But because of that it’s amazing to me! But that’s just what I thought. :)
I love the music fight because one of the best parts of Dr Strange magic is mind bending. Kaleidoscope, surrealism, fractals. I liked this new take on surrealism in combative magic. So dope. Like people who do drugs were a part of the writing team.
Did you guys notice that some notes are actually going through Doctor Strange's crotch? I mean like if those notes are supposed to be like punches then that means...
Definitely didn't get the response from audience as endgame or spiderman. Music scene was trash. People thoroughly expressed a frustration at the second post credit scene but everyone was laughing at it.
I liked the music fight because I felt it was just a really fun creative way to stage a fight scene between two godlike wizards; like a live action Looney Toons bit that I found really amusing and fun. I much preferred it to just another generic portal fight. As for why I’m giving it a pass that Strange hasn’t used that spell before…I mean…there’s crap tons of spells that he’s only used once. Like when he turned all of Thanos’ projectiles into butterflies, or made those invisible monster hands. Dr Strange has never exactly operated on a hard magic system; his spells have always basically been determined by what the filmmakers think looks cool in the moment. Raimi has very animated sensibilities, and in that respect I think the music fight was right up his alley.
Totally. A lot of ppl have complained about MCU fight scenes becoming repetitive that was most def not a stale fight scene, inventive and fun. I laughed out loud a lot during this but the spell thing was hilarious. We haven’t seen even a portion of the spells he can do! Also who would want to see the same spells all the time?! He’s OP as hell
@@jackiemcgill6433 thank you! The fight was genuinely funny, and I don’t mean that as an insult at all. I hope other MCU films take cue from this and really embrace the crazy comic book-ness of these characters in similarly inventive fashion
Just saw it and thought it was great! I don’t think it undermines WandaVision at all. I think it was a natural progression for Wanda, especially since they state that the Darkhold corrupts the user. And I say all this as a Wanda stan. Loved seeing her as a horror movie villian
Agreed! She was a great horror movie villain/monster. The scene with here running down the halls after Strange and others reminded me of characters fleeing the killer in horror films. It made Wanda seem relentless in her pursuit, idk how Grace took that scene as she’s being humiliated. If anything Wanda came off as scary and threatening like a true horror villain.
I don’t think Wanda was hysterical at all. There was nothing hysterical about her performance and having seen Wandavision, I understood her reasons completely which made me feel for her even more. I actually teared up because I felt so bad for her at the end. I also don’t think this undermines Wandavision either. At the end of it, it literally shows her using the Darkhold and reading things she’s not supposed to so her going this far makes complete sense to me. Also Let’s not forget she held an entire town hostage too so this really shouldn’t be a surprise that she went this far and this is coming from someone that loves Wanda.
I loved the musical fight! For sure, came out of nowhere but I love the idea. Realised as it was happening - musical symbols are as close as we have to magic in our world. You can draw this symbol and hear the note. The more you during together the stronger your spell. You have to practice to years to get it right. Think the language of music is as valid a medium for them to cast against each other as any made up ancient language. I just took it as opportunistic on his part that he happened to be around instruments and used the spells he knew. Like if he fell next to a sword in a fight he might grab it to use in the action scene.
@@sharxtheguy1383 oh for sure. I was like wtf is this.. ... Ohhhhhh.... Wow.... This is great. I way prefer this to people punching each other through walls to no lasting effect
It was such a nice relief from people using magic to create a laser beam that connects with someone else's beam of power...and then being at several minutes of standstill. As someone who reads music, I appreciate the fact that they were not only using existing notes, but then started composing music on the lines. It was a very creative scene.
you gave your bitterness origins away in your non-spoiler review when you said you don't like Sam Raimi ... you are seriously looking for excuses to hate this ... you are also butt hurt about not getting the movie you wanted (knowing full well that Marvel doesn't ever do what someone wants and you should set your expectations down at the door) ... most of you're criticisms are excuses given how over the top they are - you wanted to 3-4 hour movie for all the explaining you expected to get ;-)
I think she meant to say that there seemed to be no rules behind her magic… which is actually the point! She can rewrite reality, so she can literally do anything!
@@Yfighter2i know my problem was with not seeing wanda more powerful than ever She single handily massacre hundreds of sorcerers in their turf without the element of surprise I think the only characters we saw in the mcu that are more powerful than her are dormammu and celestials
Im surprised Grace said they de-powered Wanda because she was relentlessly powerful in this movie. She bulldozed through every obstacle. Although im unsure how Wanda will continue after this. I agree they should have made it more clear on how she got corrupted by the darkhold, they mention it in the movie but maybe having a flashback at the start would have helped.
i think the answer is in agents of shield, since i already saw that series, i can imagine what the darkhold do to her.
yeah i don't get it lol she cut captain carter in half lmfao.
Yea fr, wanda one shotted blackbolt and turned mr. Fantastic into spaghetti, can't see how she would be weaker than in endgame
I think it's the opposite of depowering the character. She was too much and too fast. She wasn't really Wanda and there was no real setup for her to be as she was.
Think it was mentioned in wanda/vision too
I remember when WandaVision came out everyone was like "oooh can't wait to see evil Wanda" now they hate that Wanda's evil
I will say I was really happy to see the cameos in this movie end up getting destroyed in 2 minutes.
I hate how people all want these marvel movies to be cameo after cameo for 2 hours straight now so it was great seeing only a couple and then have them murdered in crazy ways lol.
Worst part is this stuff gets leaked months in advance so people just want to see stuff they already know, not even get surprised. Loved what we got instead.
Totally agree. Grace is let down because she wanted this big X-men reveal and didn’t get it. The movie was great and Wanda killing the cameos just showed me how powerful she really was. I loved it lol
@@Dis2good I had the "tom cruise tony stark" cameo that never happened spoiled for me by Grace like over a year ago when she casually mentioned it in a random video lol.
I'm glad that never happened now. the only way this movie wouldn't become "cameos: the movie", is if they killed them all off immediately so i'm glad they did.
I agree, very reminiscent of the intro of Suicide Squad if you watched that. Amazing way of introducing actors and characters into the MCU & adding stakes to the movie.
Totally agree, was worried too many cameos would detract from the films overall plot. Also I love your videos.
They're not cameos they were important part of act 2
I don’t understand everyone’s issues with Wanda. I guess if you wanted her to be a hero I can see how’d you’d be disappointed but I found her to be an extremely compelling antagonist, and her arc reminded me of another amazing villain from a Sam Raimi movie, Doc Ock. I loved every element of her character.
No one minds her being a villain. That's what we all expected. But she was unrecognizable in this movie. It's not the Wanda from the end of WandaVision. She just suddenly was the most evil villain of the MCU out of nowhere. We could have at least seen her slow descent into madness.
@@__Oku__ Maybe it was because I wasn’t all that attached to her before, I didn’t mind not seeing the “descent” on screen. The book corrupted her and that was enough of an explanation for me. I thought even as a villain, she was the most compelling and complex character.
Yes! They even ended quit similar.
honestly loved her as an antagonist and would love to see a redemption which I know Marvel can't do well with character depth, but one can hope.
EXACTLY! many people are mad because they liked the character and therefore wanted her to be heroic. But if you follow her character's journey, everything tracks extremely well. It wasn't jarring in the least. In fact, I was shocked with how many people felt Wanda deserved to get off scot free at the end of WandaVision.
Wanda really went to Mr Fantastic “your wife about to become a single mom”
Professor X’s “Just because someone stumbles and loses their way” line got me choked up. Probably the best thing to come out of the Illuminati scenes.
I liked that he was the only non-arrogant member of the Illuminati. And he gave Scarlet Witch a good go.
THAT LINE RUINED ME OMG. I ugly sobbed thru the whole dang flabbin movie but somehow, my makeup stayed intact. How strange!
@@nailinthefashion probably use the same makeup Wanda does!
@@Yfighter2 PURE CHAOS BABYYYYYY 🥂👁
@@nailinthefashion I think you mean Chaos MAGIC baby 😉
Wanda has had a screw loose every since her first MCU introduction. Me and my wife have been waiting years for her to finally snap and this movie finally delivered that snap.
You like your hero turning into a villain and killing just to kill? Geeze
@@GuillermoManzano-vl4qp Watching somebody's journey from their first introduction to the point of corruption does, in fact, make for pretty good storytelling for a lot of people
@@LoungingPotato I get the feeling G missed a lot of content
vision would not have fallen in love with this version of wanda
Exactly! The MCU's Wanda has been so held back for too long and drawn out. Every time she was in a film I was disappointed that this was suppose to be the Scarlet Witch, as Im more an X-Men fan. FINALLY she got here. She is meant to be a super villian, and it seems like MCU people don't know this??? They just want some romance the whole time with Vision. Like, I enjoyed Wandavision, but I don't want that all the time.
i personally LOVED the music fight - although i understand that it may be a bit wacky, strange has ALWAYS been creative in his spell casting; he made floating dog heads and turns stuff into butterflies, therefore why is turning music notes into weapons where we draw the line? i don’t agree that you need an appreciation for music to understand that the creativity was entertaining
I would find a magical staff coming my way rather frightening. We saw what happened to Peggy Carter, imagine the damage a staff could do slicing through you
I loved that part so much.
It looked cheap bruh. Wacky CGI like in the 90s. Guess you like tacky.
I think understanding what music is being used deepens your appreciation
The music scene was awesome. I'm in the minority who Loved it in TASM2 with electro too though lol
The most disappointing thing was that in the first Doctor Strange movie, it was established as Strange overreaching and tampering with time will have its consequences. In No Way Home it was established that Strange tampering with reality will have its consequences. But in the follow-up, we see there's no such consequences but the antagonist is Wanda. It detaches the whole arc from its core as it doesn't deliver on what promised. This movie should actually have explored the ramifications of Strange messing with reality in No Way Home and if it did have a villain in Wanda, then it should've been a variant while the MCU proper Wanda was recruited to help Strange but she was seduced by the possibility that she can make her family whole in the multiverse. The darkhold corrupting Wanda could have been explored and like Agathe said, a version of Wanda who became totally possessed by Chthon would have been shown as a parallel or a cautionary tale.
"Raimification" (sorry I had to)
@@xinyuanwu8999 nice pun. 🤭
They should hire you to write. Yea, it was more like a WandaVision 2 movie than a Dr. Strange follow-up. I'm one of the few that thought his first movie was actually really good and presented interesting and new ideas not often explored in movies in general. The idea of the spiritual realm or "astral plane" here on earth being a place where human spirits, demons and angels operate within our world was very interesting to me. I liked the idea of an overlap of 2 dimensions that regular humans can't see. I was looking forward to Dr. Strange story lines dealing with spiritual problems that physical medicine can't solve (thus bringing his true purpose from being a medical doctor to being a spiritual doctor to fruition).
@@mjamitche5245 as much as I'd dream anyday to work in a comic book movie, I do know how tough it is to write a feature film. Fanfics are easy as our imagination runs wild. Nonetheless, for MCU, it's tough nowadays. We want more of everything. It needs to be on point everytime.
I was really looking forward to a movie focused on Dr. Strange and the kind of things he does that are maybe less epic than "world ending" situations. I really didn't need Wanda in Dr. Strange 2 at all, but as long as we had to have her I was thinking she would be along for the ride since they have different types of magic. This ended up being more like her movie, IMO.
You say she’s “less powerful”, in this movie, but then you say “she can do anything”, in this movie…..which is it?
The movie is all over the place when it comes to Wanda's power set, sometimes she does cool magic tricks for us to watch, other times she goes full berserk, but most of the times holds back her true potential for some reason even though clearly she's already crossed the line in this movie.
Wanda showed immense versatility with her power set very imaginative how she used her entire set to do different things and how her powers translated based on what situation she was in
To me she didn’t “feel” powerful to me there’s a difference there. Most of the time she shot bolts or used telekinesis to kill people but there is so much more you can do with that. I also agree how at some point Wanda shoots a bolt and someone’s dead and at another she can’t even chase someone down a hall way
One doesn't negate the other, she's depicted as being unstoppable and capable of everything, but her feats of power lacked grandiosity, she could destroy an infinity stone while holding back the guy that already had the other 5 in use, what she does in the movie is nowhere near that.
She's the puppet of an Elder God, she's not powerful at all.
Professor X being revealed with the animated xmen theme? Perfect. I had the biggest grin on my face. I was so hoping he would drop a hint to her being a mutant as well.
Loved the quote from X-men days of future past!
She's not a mutant though. She's beyond that, and could choose to be one if she wants at this point.
Thanks Hickman 🥂👁
I thought I was the only one! Professor X went to her first trauma, which was coincidentally when her ability was unlocked...
that was great. its a shame they didn't mention mutants yet
100% agree. I was so happy.
I wanted to see Wanda go harder in Wandavision so I loved this. And I don’t think she was a hysterical woman I think she was single minded. And then at the end she finally took responsibility
Totally agree! It kind of sucks to see so many female villains criticized for reinforcing the "hysterical" stereotype or being constantly referred to as "tropes." Why are male villains in the MCU allowed to be violent and "mad" but Wanda is not afforded the same privilege? She has strong motivations in this movie and she has a history of being a villain, so it worked for me. She was a GREAT villain, not a hysterical woman!
Nah she wasn’t hysterical. But they could have allowed us the satisfaction of Dr Strange defeating her at the end except for that stupid resolution we got.
@@mdnafieuhossainalif1628 the point is no one can defeat her. That's why they are running from her. Honestly i liked that final scene of Wanda. But it's a very weak conclusion in terms of action.
@@obi-wankenobi5576 they did say that the book of Vishanti would’ve allowed Strange to beat her. It’s fine that she is powerful and evil, but let’s not forgive her so quickly. It would be like saying Thanos was redeemed after he destroyed the stones so that other won’t be tempted by it.
@@mdnafieuhossainalif1628 I kinda get what you're saying, but thanos destroyed the stones so his plan couldn't be reversed whereas here she didn't want others to become corrupted like she was.
I actually liked how she easily defeated illuminati. Showed how powerful she is.
Yeah but the way she defeated them was so silly that’s why it was disappointing
It was funny AF like she can beat Dr strange and yet captain carter thought she had a chance 😅
They should have had Deadpool or blade appear, but nope
Felt the same :)
She literally snapped professor x’s neck. It was bull.
It showed less how powerful she was and how weak and powerless the Illuminati were.
Wanda in this movie is literally like "reality can be whatever I want".
Don’t tell Wanda about the Reality Stone! Interestingly enough it’s the same color as her magic 🤔
@@Yfighter2 cause wasn’t she experimented on with that stone
@@vic2958 she was experimented on with the Mind Stone, which I guess drew out her powers from her subconscious?
I actually really liked this movie. It was good. Not everything has to Endgame level experience or just cameo after camero. 8 out of 10
It was underwhelming… what is really sad is this could of been on the endgame and Spider-Man level … that’s what sucks it built up and was a let down … this was supposed to be a follow up to some amazing titles but it wasn’t even as good as the movies and shows it was built from
I gave it a 7.5. Definitely in the minority but I liked it too.
6/10 it was messy for sure, and Wanda really did seem evil really damn quick. In Wandavision she seemed remorseful at the end of the show. And then in this she's straight evil. The hell? Plus some of the acting was very bad.
you gave this film a 8 really its bad a 6 at most please tell me what your top 5 film's are?
Endgame sucked so bad,why is people using the term endgame level,endgame sucked so bad infinity war way better.Endgame CGI sucked and literally no action scene until climax which was choreographed very bad
I always feel like Grace reviews a movie that she wanted rather the movie that is there.
No - I think she is reviewing the movie that's there - but wondering why they didn't choose a different path. In this case I 100% agree. This was a garbage-fire of a movie in terms of it's MCU internal consistency.
LMAO. I totally agree! She expected this big X-Men reveal and 20 minutes of Captain Marvel. I looked back at some of her old videos and she’s usually never happy lol
Most reviewers do. It's not a discussion of what is presented but of what they'd want to see. Oh well 🤷🏾♂️
@@AdelaideBen1 that's your opinion though. Others see something else-- and it's insane to think she'd defend the Batman tooth and nail when I couldn't even finish it but that's the beauty of such a huge market. Not everyone needs to enjoy something for it to be successful, anymore, and now Wanda fans like me can just... be happy.
Yes here it feels like it.
So strange how people can watch a movie and have a totally different experience. But such is life I suppose. I absolutely adored this movie, one of my favourite marvel movies for sure.
For me it was miles better than no way home.
Yeah, that's the magic of cinema, everyone has a different experience.
Same! Loved it! So much action creativity and horror mixed in, cant think of another movie like it
I personally agreed with pretty much all her points. This movie to me felt pretty poorly written, rushed and messy. I also thought they underplayed many characters including Dr.Strange . But like you said everyone has different opinons
Agreed
"Why was she going easy on during the attack on Karmar-Taj?" Because Wanda clearly said she was going to be "reasonable". That's why she was firing isolated attacks.
Didn't see Wanda become more powerful than you've ever seen her before? Again, she single-handedly killed some incredibly powerful heroes, including Captain Marvel. Did Grace watch the same film we did?
Meanwhile I can’t even finish the Batman. To each their own 🤷🏾♂️
Wanda was reasonable huh? I wonder which dictionary is she using?
@@disguisedvampire6493 wdym? Murdering and torturing everyone in kamal taj is completely reasonable
@@disguisedvampire6493 wdym? Murdering and torturing everyone in kamal taj is completely reasonable
It was like Thanos being reasonable in Infinity War. I could have killed every super hero that directly opposed him, but he didn't.
They gave Wanda the Daenerys treatment. Someone we rooted for, suddenly completely irredeemable is jarring.
To be fair, Wanda's transformation was heavily hinted at in Wandavision unlike the sudden switch for Daenerys. Wanda is also known for her extremely unstable psyche
And also tried to make us sympathize with the character at the very end like she wasn’t just pure evil for 2 hours
Omg you are right!!
I dont like it. I'm a wanda fan, and they literally made her irredeemable. I was on board with her being something of an "anti-hero", but she was more evil and bloodthirsty than any other MCU villain I can think of 👎
@@themannis3749 it was a complete 180 from her character from Wanda vision. What are you talking about
“Face your fears, Doctor Strange.” One of my favorite lines in the movie. As someone who has also had a past of being afraid of their emotions which affected my relationships, I found Stephen’s character arc really powerful. I thought Sam Raimi really humanized him as a character.
Yes 100% i resonated with these lines too. 🥺🥺🥺🙏🙏🙏
I know it's a Dr. Strange movie but quite frankly Strange was the only character to develop in the movie and that seemed a bit of a lost opportunity.
I didn't understand, what's his fear? Getting attached to someone?
It's a hokey, fortune cookie line that is an insult to who Dr. Strange is. It's easy to say that line without showing any of the actual work.
It felt really spiderman ish
Has everyone forgot how Wanda held an entire town hostage and basically tortured them? She was evil well before this film started. I was afraid they were going to brush aside her evil deeds and try to paint her as a hero again. Thankfully they didn't undo what WandaVision had set up.
Thank you!! She literally enslaved a whole town!!
Agreed. Wanda has always been a questionable character. I don't really get what a lot of others see in her unless they're projecting a comics version on the mcu. Every movie she's done dodgy shit. She volunteered for Hydra, mind controlled the avengers and helped Ultron, she didn't like being on house arrest after killing innocents so ran out to destroy an airport, didn't want to sacrifice her A.I. boyfriend so let's sacrifice all those Wakandans soldiers and half the galaxy. Then she mind controlled the whole town and still saw herself as the victim when called out. Then this movie? Massacres all those sorcerers? Willing to kill a teenager. She's a villain. She always has been. The films just need to stop trying to frame her story as a poor little sad girl.
And what about the part when she frees them because they suffered. Because here she just killed everybody. No questions asked. This movie is mess of continuity
@@benrualf The Darkhold corrupted her, it's stated in the movie
@@ShadowSonic2 show don't tell. The movie did a horrible job at showing the change. When we see her she is crazy. Why didn't it corrupt Dr Strange that fast then? Wanda is much stronger than him and yet she was currupted instantly?
I have never disagreed with Grace so much. The decision that made the world different could have taken place decades, hundreds or even millions of years ago. We didn't need an explanation for everything.
Feeling the same here! She just want to hate on the movie
Yes we do. Not having explanation is just making the things coming out of nowhere which is lazy writing.
@@robertbench5187 see how we saw a paint world for half a second, let's stop the movie so that we can tell you the story of a paint universe... take it over Uatu, 10 minutes of explanation for a half a second shot... makes sense
@@7pablomarmol Oh how about we go to other universe rather than the one with that wasted illuminati to get some more elements and context and explore more of that rather than sticking and wasting time on like 2 universe. Like bruh what's the point of having Multiverse in it's title when we won't even explore the Multiverse?
Same. I feel like we watched two different movies.
We needed the Watcher in this film. He needs to start doing cameos in each film like Stan Lee
nah, we dont need another cringe lee
i thought i actually saw him
@@elliez6510 was it when they were going through the different multiverses? (Part from trailer).?? Cause I thought I saw something tio
@@young_5033 Ik what y’all are talking about and that looked to be the living tribunal
He's in the movie
14:17 Strange and Wong didn't know Wanda as closely as her friends. They weren't Avengers.
I beg to disagree, Grace. The Fantastic 4 were always my faves and I'm EXTREMELY happy with good ol' Krasi. I liked Gruff too, but Krasi is impeccable as Mr Fantastic.
When you realize WandaVision was a villain backstory show 🤣🤣🤣🤣
She really just said we didn't need the illuminati and wanted to be shown multiple break ups between strange and christine instead???? Like what? Then two seconds later Grace says that the actors had no chemistry anyway, Why would you wanna see more scenes of them together then??? contradictions everywhere is this review.
So I read a very detailed leak from 4chan many many months ago by someone who claimed to have gone to a test screening and about 85% of what they said was in the movie (and this was stuff NOT in trailers such as the music battle) which makes me believe they saw the version before reshoots - in that version they said that Wanda was being manipulated by Cthon and the demons goal was to get America’s powers so it could crossover and take over multiverses (but Wanda believed it was so she could have her boys back). Then at the end Strange was able to break Wanda free of its manipulation and they both took it on and she ended up sacrificing herself by destroying the castle to prevent that from happening to anyone else from. It kind of “redeemed” her and explained why she suddenly went bad. If that was in fact true and they changed that aspect during reshoots, I’m curious to know why.
Thats similar but a lot weaker imo. Let Wanda have more agency, that was the biggest flaw with House of M originally.
Thus perfected that run to me.
Probably because Wanda being corrupted while greiving for her family is a far more engaging and relatable story than a demon possessing her and taking all agency away from the character?
Maybe because Wanda became a fan favourite with women, they didn't like the idea of her being manipulated by something and preferred her being in control.
@@arianagrandefromfortnite literally
It's sounds as though this plotline had too many similarities with what went on with Wenwu (The Mandarin) in Shang-Chi - unless it was to be revealed Chthon was behind that too?
“Desperate, scared, seeming lost. And I just wanted to give her a hug.” Girl goodbye lmao.
I don’t care what anyone says I loved the movie . Obviously there are faults but I just loved it so much tbh. Grace I’m happy to say I disagree with you heavily !
Great great movie! A bit longer would have been sweet, but it was good either way
I really don’t think that Wanda is de-powered here. It’s more of her trying to be “reasonable” as she mentions in the film.
Her powers were quite tame but she was. Big threat
I mean they nerfed so many characters way harder than Wanda. Remeber Classic Strange from the comics? Guy would stomp Wanda but atlas he was so broken they had to nerf him strange in the comics today is only a copy of the multiversal strange. Classic strange was trying to hide from living tribunal, so you know what he did? He created trillions of copies of himself, each universal in power, and each copy protects each universe. So that 616 dr strange has only ever been a copy of the multiversal classic strange from the 70-80s
@@arnneshiran8509 Wanda can literally warp reality, and create whatever she desires out of thin air…those are just two descriptions of her unimaginable powers. She could wipe half of the mutant population from existence…but strange can stomp her! Stop being fucking delusional.
Depowered how? She was invincible. Only the good still in her was able to stop her.
@@arnneshiran8509 Even thanos was massively nerfed in the movies
This movie was a huuuuuge missed opportunity to show different variants of characters. For a movie about the “multiverse” it leaked the multiverse
As someone who religiously watches and rewatches the MCU, I disagree in stating that it contradicts and ignores previous stories.
After all, Wanda literally just lost everything yet again after all of the trauma that she went through in WandaVision. It’s perfectly reasonable to me that she would go to measures this extreme.
Especially after using the dark hold for so long she says it only made Wanda go crazy where in the movie countless times it explains what it does to the users
Exactly! Well said.
100% agree. I don't really understand why Grace and others don't get this...
Yes I don’t agree with her review she being unrealistic and quite unreasonable
Took me awhile scrolling through silly comments to find this one ☝️ agree
I really liked that they finally showed how easy it is to kill off many of the characters of the MCU. Wanda went through the Illuminati so easily.
after blackbolt got killed , I was hoping all the Illuminati got killed, I was so happy when they were. Glad they kept the killings in
I got invincible vibes from that sequence, just savagely killing a group of extremely powerful heroes
Easy when it’s another universe and doesn’t matter…felt cheap
@@blueberrydenim4807 Same!
“SmArTeSt MaN iN tHe UnIvErSe”
**goes to grab her**
Some guy in my theater legit yelled “WHAT?! 🤨”
Completely disagree. The film was great, Wanda is absolutely menacing, so creepy with the whole Nurse Ratched vibes. Sam Rami’s directing stands out in the best ways, this felt like the perfect tie-in to Wandavision. The Illuminati fight scene was so bizarrely cool and slightly disturbing, my favorite part by far. And seeing Krasinski, after learning from Wandavision not to get my expectations too high, this tied the bow on the package that is Wandavision.
Illuminati fight scene was pure garbage
They were literally wasted
@@thomasanderson2384 someone didn’t get what they wanted
I’ll be honest, I don’t think I’ve disagreed with Grace more, really enjoyed the film and the female characters in it. Loved seeing Wanda absolutely decimate everyone.
Exactly. She is going in hard with the feminist stuff.
@@popcornmoviesgames8117 She is bad at reviewing films.
@@kyoto5 damn
Grace destroyed Dr Strange 1 in her review back when it came out, and lately she ranks it among her favourite MCU movies. She comes at it knowing so much from behind the curtain that maybe she's jaded with the film in the moment. For her real reaction we need to wait a couple of years, maybe.
decimate? where lol. I was expecting her to go hardcore but it was like disney wanted to go there but backed out in the end.
My 2 biggest problems with this movie are: 1) It feels like there are 10 minutes missing in the beginning that set up Wanda being a villain(before the first scene) and 2) it also feels like we just did the same thing again as in Wandavison, just darker. Idk I will have to rewatch it once it comes out on Disney+ and see how I feel then. (I have never watched a movie more than once in the cinema)
Darkhold + WandaVision equals her turn to evil. The movie made that clear with the necessary killing of Doctor Strange in the other universe
@@callmesoul1468 I have seen Agents of Shield(canon or not) and I know what the darkhold does, but it would have been far better to actually see that.
(By the way why was that Mordor post credit scene from Dr strange 1 never paid off)
I agree, I watched Wandavision but forgot much of it so it would have helped the movie flow better if the reveal wasn't so abrupt.
The movie kept repeating the Darkhold made her go berserk, after watching Grace's non spoiler review I was worried they wouldn't explain a thing and after watching the movie her comments made no sense for me.
Watch Agents of Shield season 4 and there you will understand all you need to know about the Darkhold.
My theory is (and this isn't mine actually... thus has been around): the creator of the darkhold Chthon had something to do with Wanda going nuts... and other readers as well...
Didn’t agatha have the darkhold for like so many years?? Maybe over a 100??? This means she had time to overcome the darkness and control it instead of letting it control her.
The thing about wanda is she was completely new to it, and had a desperate reason to use the darkhold. The darkhold exploited that desperateness
Also Agatha herself said that Wanda was the most powerful witch just naturally, so it makes sense that Agatha couldn't damage the world as much as Wanda could
Yeah, wanda is who cthon wants a his avatar that's why he bestowed her his power. The first practitioner of dark magic.. Cthon is a pure evil demon
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yes but the movie should have made that clear
the movie didnt allude to this so this is just us making our own conclusion
I think the music fight is a call back to dr strange knowing a lot about music . It was kind of his super power before he got super powers .before his big surgery successes he would guess the random song being played . So he saw the notes and was inspired to use them
Hmm this makes more sense why they had this fight scene in Doctor Strange 2. But I still didn't like it for the fact that it felt kind of cheesy..
I very much loved that fight scene. Felt inspired.
It just seemed like a total Doctor Strange thing to me and I appreciated it for it. It’s so weird and that’s how I perceive the character and his stories. I do believe some more heart was required in the story when it comes to his character. I think this movie will be a hit in time with all the fans that are divided at the moment.
@@IsabelS_Fuyu BUT THE HUGE GOBLIN HANDS? THATS FINE? LMFAOOOO casual fans are so weirdly nitpicky
That is a really good connection.
I just seen it last night and I have to say, I enjoyed the movie. Wasn't expecting it to be so dark BUT I loved it. Wanda was phenomenal. She was a straight savage and I really enjoyed that. Dr. Strange did awesome as well. Everybody was cheering when they showed the Illuminati. One of my favorite scenes was the Music Fight. Everybody in the theater was laughing lol.
I’m trying to understand, why did you like the music fight. I was thrown off by it’s randomness.
@@theskinnyindiankid it was so quirky and so Doctor Strange, in my opinion. Plus the different songs that were playing from each of them. It was like Good vs Bad
The music fight was absolute genius and I loved every minute of it. It did come out of nowhere though, so I understand why some people were put off by it. Unfortunately, this movie has a lot of sequences that come out of nowhere, but I guess it lives up to the title in that respect. It really is maddening in some places.
I really enjoyed this one! Sorry the hear you didn’t feel the same way Grace. I’m so happy Sam Rami is back directing and adding a beautiful style to one of these theme park rides.
When a man becomes a villain, he’s a badass. But when a woman becomes a villain, she’s hysterical? BIG disagree. I absolutely loved her finally breaking and going full mad. She’s lost something in EVERY film that she’s appeared in so the build up was there. Already watched it twice in theatres and might even go again.
it's her reason for becoming a villain that's retarded. if a man had the same motives, it would be just as dumb... but good for you, keep wasting your money
Bruhhhh Wanda instantly top 5 mcu villains as we already understand her backstory and pain which drives and motivates her. And the sheer nonchalant way she went through the illuminati was epic. Her with Raimis horror direction worked so well. Just a shame that it’s obvious a lot of the film was cut and you can tell.
The problem with this is that Wanda went so far that she is kinda beyond redemption. If she isn't dead, it's gonna he real hard to overlook all the poeple she murdered in brutal fashion, Darkhold or not.
@@46sn29 yeah I agree, I knew she would go dark in this film but how brutal she was genuinely shocked me, going to be interesting to see what her future will be but like you said she went too far so maybe anti hero?
She’s just straight up evil. This film took her far beyond redemption. She had an arc is wandavision and they just repeated the same shit here. Man the story was dogshit in this movie.
@Lee So was Loki. But he never went so far to the point where the audience would openly reject his redemption arc. A similar arc will be a tough sell for Wanda. I think she's permanently a villain now. Or she's dead and we'll get some alt version of her, which would be a total cop out.
@@46sn29 she isn't dead and that's the point of the Scarlet Witch, up to date in the comics she hasn't being forgiven by the mutant community after what she did. She's supposed to be that divisive. The aftermath of House Of M she goes missing and has a "redemption arc" just keep waiting.
The way I feel about it is that doctor strange works a bit like green lantern in the mcu. He has got some "standard" attacdks, like the bands and the sling rings and what not and after that it comes down to his creativity and imagination. Thats also how he could overcome a lot of the obstacles in the first movie (by quick thinking and creative problem solving rather than being the most powerful sorcerer). In that sense I justified it for myself in that he accidentally hit the piano keyboard as he was getting up and that gave him the idea to use this kind of magic. From there it just escaleted because dark strange was sort of inspired by 616 strange and vice versa. I do agree though that thinking about it the scene can seem a bit odd. Didn't stick out to me though.
I loved it because it felt like the Doctor Strange version of a Jackie Chan/Jason Bourne fight using whatever was around them. It could have been used more fully, though. Commit to it, vary it, and let us know how these magical notes act differently from normal, sparkly magic.
Stranger’s fights with Thanos did a much better job at this. Without explaining everything, each magic attack felt unique.
The music scene was great because it actually felt new, creative and something u never really see and in the MCU that’s rare. It’s like in WandaVision how the 2 visions fought with there intellect.
I’m also really into music.
I think musicians or people who read music would actually get the nuances of that scene including how they actually started composing music and writing it, to use it to fight. I really expected more of that kind of creativity in a Dr. Strange movie and was glad the writer/directer did something innovative.
@@mjamitche5245 that Raimi magic
I love creative wizard battles so I was into it
I really enjoyed the scene
I loved the idea. The vfx was horrendous though.
Wanda was straight up murdering everyone… and they made Witch sound like a derogatory. Which sort of undermines WandaVision’s story. The cameos were fun but there to be killed. The “scary” scenes were well done. Wanda was great but I don’t know how they’ll try to redeem her.
Ok parrot.
I think they should’ve hit more home the fact the darkhold was corrupting her & as for redeeming I think they needa give her a thor arrive in wakanda kind of moment in a future film
Also they don't really distinguish sorcery from witchcraft.
@@ammaranwar5343 they do. The use of runes.
@@Lvestfold4143 but that's so lame. How often do we see her use runes? And what does using them even do? The MCU needs to develop a strong magic system for their mystical branch of movies if they really want it to succeed.
This movie was great. The horror vibe, Wanda, violence, and more. They didn’t downplay Wanda at all the hell 😂 she was OP as hell the whole way through the movie.
Fr she destroyed the Illuminati like they were nothing.
Must have seen a different movie from me, there was no horror and violence, just because some shots looked like they were shot by raimi, doesnt make it the evil dead. Everyone just gets killed by a CG red light, so not scary at all. Wanda was powerful, but bland. This film was a huge disappointment, it had so much potential!
@@joekletz2705 lol let’s ignore black bolts head exploding, professor x’s head getting snapped, supreme strange getting stabbed and killed, other strange getting impaled, and so much more 😂
@@crazymofo98 Maybe it was scary for 10 year olds, it just seemed to make no impact
@@joekletz2705 professor x getting his neck snapped has no impact?? You really did watch a different movie
This movie was just a complete mess. Ridiculous dialogue, events that make no sense, no respect for the characters, no sensible themes, etc. The music fight was just nonsense and not even interesting musically-speaking. As a big Marvel fan, this was a 3 or 4/10 for me.
I can't believe how disappointed I was with this movie, for me, the script was the main issue. Agree a 1000% we needed to see how Wanda got corrupted by the Darkhold. The Illuminati was the lamest thing I've ever seen and the way Wanda killed Professor X, they could've had a powerful telepathic fight. I'm so disappointed and this is the end of Wanda, she can't comeback after all that carnage.
Yeah for Professor x it was a let down He is so powerful even Wanda should have No Power in her hijacked mind
@@Daniel-lq5qq the entire Illuminati fight was beyond dumb, but you have Professor MF X and you do that to him? I can't believe Feige approved all of that. The Illuminati was not needed, they did it for the sake of a cameo and it didn't work (for me at least). Man I'm so dissapointed
I hated so much of this movie but the script was absolutely the worst bit
I’m glad to see other people have issues with the movie, I thought it was only me 😅
@@willmcnally3388 right? The script didn't make sense. There's no point in watching Wandavision after this movie.
Man I just don’t agree with so many criticisms here. I just got out and thought the movie was EXTREMELY satisfying and I love that they turned Wanda into a full on villain. I was entertained start to finish, brilliant movie imo. Also LOVED the music fight, honestly I disagree with almost everything Grace says here 😂
💯 Same. The whole movie was so inventive and fresh! The music fight scene was such an awesome touch. She def didn’t understand the music connection. Or Dr.Strange doing different spells. Or the Darkhold and it’s connection to Wanda. Or the Darkhold corruptions to others. Or that WW1984 was an entire debacle of a movie and in no way should it or any part of it be compared to this movie. Lol
"Why the music fight, he never did that before"... oh, so when a character didn't do something before he can never do it?? Mmmmpppffffff....
Yeah I think a lot of us are surprised by Grace’s takes on this one. I’ll agree with some of the disjointed nature of the film, but it was still wildly entertaining.
Very much so just so it. It’s Phenomenal especially in 3D and IMAX
I always love seeing Grace's analysis because she has very strong opinions. Of course, that means often i strongly disagree with her 😅 This is one of those times. I think me and Grace just had wildly different expectations from this film.
@@ZoeG2099 I'm not even sure why she felt so strongly about not detailing each universe and what made them so different and that they need to have an explanation like in What If. If anything, What If is the explanation. There was no need to do that here as well. Only problem for me with this movie is that it felt like a speedrun but man, they really bumped up Wanda's power.
@@ZoeG2099 yeah she probably needs to go watch it again.. because I'm pretty sure that the strange for the Luminati universe had black hands in the scene where they defeated Thanos. 🤔
I think she's right about a lot of things.for one, the power levels were so random. She warps reality in some scenes but then limps after people in others. It makes no sense. Also how can any of you forgive the downright lazy writing. America ends up controlling her powers simply after being told she can? Like wtf.
The cameos were also super lame. She kills two of them in seconds but takes longer for the other two? And I don't think anyone wanted professor X to appear for two lines and a neck snap. I also didn't care for the Christine storyline.Because in the first doctor strange movie he seems like he was over it. The storyline on this felt like a continuation of a Dr strange from some other universe or something. Also, this might just be me, but I found the editing a little off. Some scenes switched as if we missed something.
It's funny you, grace, only notice when women are "wronged" or short changed in the movie but the last two survivors who put up any fight of the illuminati are women and they have the longest fight scene out of the illuminati with Wanda
Exactly all the men in the Illuminati didn't even touch Wanda.
And all captain marvel characters are unlikable and irritating. It's like they're doing it on purpose.
I'm like one of 10 people that are big fans of Inhumans and think Marvel did them so dirty and used them as a punching bag because they couldn't get their act together with the X-Men and Fox. So I was extremely happy to see Black Bolt be given another chance after the disaster of a series they gave Inhumans. Yeah, his power is a little nerfed here, but whatever, that's probably for the best.
So the music fight was probably my favorite action scene in the whole film simply because I recognized almost every piece that was borrowed from.
It's cheesy, it'd stupid, it's hilarious, but it felt like 2 musicians with excellent mastery having a play off. Hearing the music go all out was really fun.
It was also one of the few if the only scene that I thought took advantage of the set and I really didn't see it coming.
You also have the vortex in the background adding to the drama.
It felt very operatic.
How long do you want this movie to be? They can't explain every single difference in each universe they come across. We were perfectly accepting of Alligator Loki, but different coloured traffic lights is where the line is drawn?
Also you say that Wanda is oddly hysterical, whilst also forgetting that she tortured and enslaved a town full of people (and her confrontation with SWORD makes it apparent that she caught onto what she was doing.) Wanda was already rather insane in Wandavision, and the Darkhold simply made it worse. I also don't see how she is one-dimensional. One-dimensional is how I describe Endgame Thanos because he wants to destroy everything. Wanda wanted her sons, the family she never got, because she knows that almost every version of her has that. That scene where the boys are throwing things at her and running in fear GUTTED me man. I hardly call that one-dimensional
It's a real shame you didn't like this movie that much because I thought it slapped. Not an MCU top tier but I think it was better FATWS, the second half of Wandavision, What If? and Black Widow for sure. Great movie (also I think the music fight worked for me not only because I love music and thought it visually looked awesome, but in the first Strange movie he seemed to be somewhat of a muso)
This is my complaint about this review. The film Grace is describing would have been tedious.
Everything's better than FaWS.
I think the idea that America, basically a multiversal tourist, ended up in a America, an entire country named after her and that, along with how amazing it must be as a foreigner must be why she adopted the look.
I actually like the fact they made Wanda as villainous as she was. Previously I was so adamant that Marvel would never make her a true villain.
This movie rocked. People went in with expectations instead of letting Sam Raimie tell his story.
The music fight was wonderful. It was super clever, super creative, super original AND it was an awesome tribute to Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and basically all foundantions of classical music.
Thank you, someone got it. 😁
I know I’m late to the game, but I also enjoyed the music fight as well! I was not familiar with the music specifically, but I thought it was awesome to show how music is magical. In the MCU, it’s been said that science and magic are the same, and the spells Doctor Strange casts are very methodical…. So is composing music. I don’t study nor understand music theory, but I know it exists, and it brings about one of my greatest loves in life, music. When he plucked that harp to create that little bit of magic, I understood the whole fight much more than during it.
Go see kungfu hustle
I disagree with a lot of her opinion and everyone has the right to their own opinion, but my whole theatre loved that music fight and the pep talk with America as the zombie no one laughed until he winked. Everyone also gasped at how easily she defeated the Illuminati too.
Any sound registers as a musical note. Strange could've farted and made an extra note.
My audience loved it too and even in retrospect it looked great and I can’t wait to that moment among others in the movie again
Lol my audience laughed at the movie like Grace's
I loved the music fight it was fun and I felt it was almost breaking the fourth wall. In terms of the magic it’s establish Dr Strange uses many different kinds of spells, he almost used goblin hands things for the first time in this movie
Yes. I thought it was stupidly fun and creative. I don't get that criticism that "we haven't seen him use that before". Pretty much every trick Strange uses is new to us, and that is part of the fun. It's magic!
I agree with @Marcelo, it was fun and creative. And the adjective is also spot on: stupid.
that was by far the most doctor strange experience for me. Wanda was great. and everything else was bad
Breaking the fourth wall isn't a good thing when it is not done ironically. That's why the term breaking the fourth wall even exists! The scene was technically brilliant and pragmatically stupid. Style over substance period!
Bruh she dissed the movie the whole time like did you hate it that bad , the music thing was a source of magic that can be used for attacks
i actually loved how unhinged and comics accurate she was. if u read avengers disassembled u can see how a grief stricken wanda is driven to madness. and sam raimi killed it!! love the 80s horror/comedy touch! i’m more forgiving of how rushed the development was for her and most of these movies don’t take time to flesh out big events. civil was was way more rushed compared to this. so i wouldn’t hold it against the film enough for it to be that big of a deal.
Thank you, you are smart
I'd agree if they made other characters comic accurate. It's pretty stupid when you make Wanda comic accurate while nerfing dr.strange and using terrible writing as a way for her to defeat the illuminati.
Also civil war had decent action so I at least forgave it for that. This not so much imo
Yes definitely
I agree it should have been a Wanda from a different universe. But Wanda wasn’t hysterical from my perspective. I felt she wasn’t justified in what she was doing but I completely understood why she was doing it. Especially with the extra push from the Darkhold. She had some of, if not the best lines in the movie too.
We should have seen Chthon in some form. Chthon is the dark part of Wanda.
The "truth" Chthon stated to Wanda is never explained.
I presume Wanda's dreams are Elder God powers.
The film never explains why Chthon is only focusing on one Wanda, and not the "drone" Wanda's.
The statues and demons have horned chins, just like The Other, who gave Loki the scepter.
im a casual fan and still was able to follow also was entertained + i loved the music fight scene
At the end of Wandavison Wanda is at the final step of grief, acceptance. But here she just goes mad and totally doesn't accept it....
That's darkhole's fault
The…. Dark… hoesed
Oh Grace, we see such different things in our movies. I almost never see eye to eye with you. I adored this movie. Found substantial connections. And I thought it was a great sequel to WandaVision. Still love the content though. Always nice to see a different perspective
It's because when Grace thinks the movie should go in a certain direction that she's willing to die on that hill. Like what does it matter if they showed America's sexuality?!??
@@Latinofire202 On one hand, showing America has two mothers is realistic of things today but I can see where people could be frustrated if they feel that it was just put in there to fill in the inclusive box. I know some people want to see lgbtq+ in a marvel film and it actually contribute to the story.
I agree with you 100%
@@Latinofire202 They don't. They show she has two moms. It's important for her backstory so it should be shown?
@@Orton93 that's not what I'm even talking about
I feel like the people who've watched Marvels agents of shield, understand the dark hold.
I don't understand how they made a film introducing the multiverse feel so small. I think a big problem with the film was America being the one to push the story forward. She was really weak, at some points I felt I was watching a TV show. The third act was the worst part of the film, I didn't really care what happened to the characters, even tho doctor strange and Wanda are my favourite characters 😅
The entire movie had no respect for any of the characters. The end credit scene with Bruce Cambell perfectly described how I felt.
@@thomasmichael2766 the end credit scene was the perfect ending to that disappointment 😂 tbh the film did have its good moments, but the story did not go where it should have.
exactly, for a multiverse movie it felt extremely small scale, even Loki had better multiverse shenanigans than this, and are we ever gonna address Mordo getting rid of sorcerers in 616?
Maybe the problem was it was filmed at the worst pandemic moment at the beginning of 2021... Other than that I have no idea yeah we all expected like 4-5 universe jumps and we got ... 2?
I liked the music fight because it was new and clever, plus it’s just Strange using his resources. Plus with (our) Strange using music it’s only fitting that (other) Strange fights back using his tactics. It was fun and it meant to be taken so seriously.
Why do we want another typical fight we’ve been seeing all film and in others? This was clever! Strange is one to use whatever he can!
Good take. I thought it was silly/campy/fun. Dr. Strange fighting Himself was a silly concept that has already been done in what if with magic, plus there was a Captain America fist fight that was already done. Needed to do something to differentiate this fight.
Something i really liked was how each strange used the notes our strange would use high pitches while the evil strange was the opposite
Agree with you. It brought light to this “scary” film set up. Like it made it feel like a comic book since at this point the tones and what not were very serious so it made me enjoy it a lot more.
Still makes no sense..why would he need to use musical instruments tk fight when there are better powerful spells? Just came off as random and werid...he might as well use cockroaches to attack people..
@@xaldinfash8252 there are better spells? Define better? How do you know what spells would work best in an alternate reality duel between two make believe scorcerers? One of whome just jumped realities
America should look like she came out of In the Heights? She looked fine. I'm Latino and she looks like and dresses like several people I grew up with. She doesn't have to look one particular way to be authentic. She looked perfectly okay.
I actually really liked this film. The humour and cinematography was right up my alley, and I hope Raimi comes back to direct too.
Just because stories in What If weren’t that different from the MCU doesn’t mean the infinite number of universes are. Those handful of episodes are nothing in the grand scheme.
Yeah, that's why I recommended Rick and Morty for her... I don't think she gets what "infinite" and "bonkers" really mean and why that's fun..
You are making the mistake of "infinite universes" with interesting movies... no one wants to see ridiculously random universes... it IS a movie. I don't have a problem with it being a limited variation. I have a problem with the variations not being that interesting.
I didn't enjoy enjoy the music fight, but I didn't think it was out of place because of various other random humorous parts in the movie and I just thought that that was the style they were going for in this movie and it worked I think with Doctor Strange.
Grace shows more and more how much she doesn't get not only the MCU, but movies in general. Reid Richard's was bad casting? Are you out of your mind? And the multiverse was exactly what it should be.
Grace: "Sam Rami was a bad choice."
Literally every other critic: "Sam Rami was perfect for this movie!"
I hope he never touches another marvel movie.
Wong did have an upgrade in his costume. His new Multicolored robes looked great along with his new Artifact, the magic blade on his wrist.
15:30 guess that women get dark fingers when they read the darkhold and men get a third eye when they read the darkhold?? But then it doesn’t make sense because the other dr strange (the one that started the illuminati) had black fingers and no third eye, so?
Also, I liked the musical fight scene. It made me realize musical notes are just runes of their own and the allusion to music being magic, I’m all for it.
Yes yes yes‼️I definitely agree that’s exactly how I processed it. Plus my audience was literally in awe of what was happening and how the actual music was being weaponized it was a phenomenal spectacle to behold 10/10
Exactly what i thought! It looked a lot like the runes in Dr. Strange's episode in what if
OUTSTANDING Film, it was hard to swallow seeing what happened To Professor X but for the story and Wanda being the films Villian I accepted it and I think it benefited the film.
I feel bad for Patrick Stewart at this point
Considering most, if not all, of the Illuminati in this movie were variants, Feige could still work around it with writing these characters back into the MCU by simply plucking them from another dimension/timeline where they survived.
The movie was disappointing as hell,the script is so bad,the dialogue is laughably bad and the half baked cgi just makes this movie extremely underwhelming
@@barry2349 pls stop trolling when you don't unterstand the Multiverse 👍.
@@ly-sh1oy Of course they are trolls 👍
I DO NOT GET the hate. Me, my wife and another couple went, guys are huge Marvel fans, girls are casuals, and everyone thought it was a great movie. I think people are addicted to hate clicks at this point.
Absolutely loved the movie from start to finish, tbh. In fact, it’s one of my favorite marvel movies I’ve watched to date.
Agreed
I’m with you on this, only thing is that I wish it was longer
@@TheMASTER4real is wanda one of ur favourites? :)
I enjoyed seeing Wanda as a Villain here since that reflects her story in the comics, they definitely gave her free reign for her to unleash Chaos and her power however she wanted to. But I was just disappointed that to me there were not enough fight scenes between Scarlett Witch and Doctor Strange against each other with both of them being at they're most powerful. Like you couldn't see them show their extreme levels of power at the same time they had to stagger them apart.
This felt like just one parallel universe of madness.
I definitely agree that the ad campaign revealed way too much of this movie. Many of the twists might have hit harder had they not been set up in the trailer to be a taste of something bigger, when in reality they were the whole meal. If they continue with this trend, I will have to be careful of how much promotional stuff I look at to preserve my viewing experience, which really sucks because I love a well-made trailer that gets you properly excited for what's to come. Feige apparently isn't happy with it either, and I hope the other execs understand why.
yes I stopped watching trailers for the MCU years ago because of this problem. What you saw in the trailer was the whole meal. not just a taste that foreshadows something better.
Trailers have been shit for a long time.
Grace making a judgment on John Krasinski miscast as Reed Richards based on a few scenes? Come on Grace!
John Krasinski seemed miscast to me also, it just seemed like a weak fit, even in those couple of scenes
@@joekletz2705 just saying it’s kind of unfair to come to that conclusion based on such little screen time.
It’s been a year and now I can say the title should’ve been Dr. Strange and The Scarlett Witch in One other Universe of Madness. It’s barely his own movie and more of a sequel to WandaVision, however this isn’t the movie I would’ve wanted for her. Quite sad they didn’t just give Wanda her own solo movie that could lead to her meeting her true father Magneto, and introduce the X-Men. Mordo should’ve been the villain as he was set up to be at the end of Dr. Strange. No instead we get an alternative version of him that has no relation to the MCU Dr. Strange. The only information we get is that the main MCU Mordo had deadly battles with Dr. Strange but off screen. We never know what their relationship is like after the first movie.
Her view of multiverses is weird. There’s space for universes that are slightly different and others that are wildly different. Also the sacred timeline was destroyed in Loki so variations will make things much different than the small variations allowed before by he should remains.
The paint universe reminded me of that "Improbability Drive" scene from the Hitchhikers movie where everyone turns into yarn
Couldn’t agree more. I was so disappointed with how they treated Wanda, massive regression for the character. And to not see any Vision didn’t make any sense.
Might be in minority but this movie was just alright to me, it had really good creativity but the way they threw it together was just off
As a hardcore marvel fan I loved this movie because they finally did something a lot different, I think it’s different and it’s not perfect. But because of that it’s amazing to me! But that’s just what I thought. :)
same the first doctor strange didnt had an identity to me this one does which is good
I love the music fight because one of the best parts of Dr Strange magic is mind bending. Kaleidoscope, surrealism, fractals. I liked this new take on surrealism in combative magic. So dope. Like people who do drugs were a part of the writing team.
I totally agree! I loved the music fight!
Did you guys notice that some notes are actually going through Doctor Strange's crotch? I mean like if those notes are supposed to be like punches then that means...
It's incredibly meta though which takes you out of the movie. It looked cool but it didn't feel real, style over substance.
Exactly! Magic should be fun and trippy
@@MAKD88 LMFAO IT DIDN'T FEEL REAL??? IT'S LITERALLY A MAGIC FIGHT LMFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Definitely didn't get the response from audience as endgame or spiderman. Music scene was trash. People thoroughly expressed a frustration at the second post credit scene but everyone was laughing at it.
I liked the music fight because I felt it was just a really fun creative way to stage a fight scene between two godlike wizards; like a live action Looney Toons bit that I found really amusing and fun. I much preferred it to just another generic portal fight.
As for why I’m giving it a pass that Strange hasn’t used that spell before…I mean…there’s crap tons of spells that he’s only used once. Like when he turned all of Thanos’ projectiles into butterflies, or made those invisible monster hands. Dr Strange has never exactly operated on a hard magic system; his spells have always basically been determined by what the filmmakers think looks cool in the moment. Raimi has very animated sensibilities, and in that respect I think the music fight was right up his alley.
We didn't need another Harry Potter vs Voldemort playing tug-o-war with magic scene.
@@jonathanross149 Exactly
Totally. A lot of ppl have complained about MCU fight scenes becoming repetitive that was most def not a stale fight scene, inventive and fun. I laughed out loud a lot during this but the spell thing was hilarious. We haven’t seen even a portion of the spells he can do! Also who would want to see the same spells all the time?! He’s OP as hell
@@jackiemcgill6433 thank you! The fight was genuinely funny, and I don’t mean that as an insult at all. I hope other MCU films take cue from this and really embrace the crazy comic book-ness of these characters in similarly inventive fashion
As a casual mcu fan it the only fight I can still remember the moves they did
Just saw it and thought it was great! I don’t think it undermines WandaVision at all. I think it was a natural progression for Wanda, especially since they state that the Darkhold corrupts the user. And I say all this as a Wanda stan. Loved seeing her as a horror movie villian
Exactly! Didn't understood her gripe with that.
Agreed!
Agreed! She was a great horror movie villain/monster. The scene with here running down the halls after Strange and others reminded me of characters fleeing the killer in horror films. It made Wanda seem relentless in her pursuit, idk how Grace took that scene as she’s being humiliated. If anything Wanda came off as scary and threatening like a true horror villain.
I don’t think Wanda was hysterical at all. There was nothing hysterical about her performance and having seen Wandavision, I understood her reasons completely which made me feel for her even more. I actually teared up because I felt so bad for her at the end. I also don’t think this undermines Wandavision either. At the end of it, it literally shows her using the Darkhold and reading things she’s not supposed to so her going this far makes complete sense to me. Also Let’s not forget she held an entire town hostage too so this really shouldn’t be a surprise that she went this far and this is coming from someone that loves Wanda.
I loved the musical fight! For sure, came out of nowhere but I love the idea. Realised as it was happening - musical symbols are as close as we have to magic in our world. You can draw this symbol and hear the note. The more you during together the stronger your spell. You have to practice to years to get it right.
Think the language of music is as valid a medium for them to cast against each other as any made up ancient language. I just took it as opportunistic on his part that he happened to be around instruments and used the spells he knew. Like if he fell next to a sword in a fight he might grab it to use in the action scene.
I loved it, but also thought “this is pretty ridiculous, even for a marvel movie”
@@sharxtheguy1383 oh for sure. I was like wtf is this.. ... Ohhhhhh.... Wow.... This is great. I way prefer this to people punching each other through walls to no lasting effect
It was such a nice relief from people using magic to create a laser beam that connects with someone else's beam of power...and then being at several minutes of standstill. As someone who reads music, I appreciate the fact that they were not only using existing notes, but then started composing music on the lines. It was a very creative scene.
One dimensional is exactly what I thought! She went from a good/gray character to a full on dark. It’s GOT season 8 all over again.
That’s what I’m saying
you gave your bitterness origins away in your non-spoiler review when you said you don't like Sam Raimi ... you are seriously looking for excuses to hate this ... you are also butt hurt about not getting the movie you wanted (knowing full well that Marvel doesn't ever do what someone wants and you should set your expectations down at the door) ... most of you're criticisms are excuses given how over the top they are - you wanted to 3-4 hour movie for all the explaining you expected to get ;-)
I'm confused
you said you didn't see wanda more powerful than ever
And also wanda could do anything
How is that not contradictory!??
I think she meant to say that there seemed to be no rules behind her magic… which is actually the point! She can rewrite reality, so she can literally do anything!
@@Yfighter2i know
my problem was with not seeing wanda more powerful than ever
She single handily massacre hundreds of sorcerers in their turf without the element of surprise
I think the only characters we saw in the mcu that are more powerful than her are dormammu and celestials
@@ijustworkhere9903 exactly yet they “depowered” her how?? She was depowered in civil war not here