I was looking for an ID.3 77 kWh range test and then discovered this channel - just excellent, very sympathetic, insta subscription! Servus from Munich 👌
Great video was looking forward to this Regarding the suprise with the back seats if anyone is wondering. The rear midle seat is removed because of a weight limitation. Its a 2+2
Great video. VW South Africa has imported an SPro to gain interest. Still has the German number plates on. Hoping they will start selling them next year soon.
Well, that’s kind of my concern as well. But which car would do well in winter with loads of snow and steep hills? And no, I’m no longer interested in buying ICE cars 😉, and electric AWDs are out of the question as well, I’m afraid.
Electric cars are almost always better in the winter, than a similar ICE car - they have much better traction control. With winter tires, they do fine.
@@NeilBlanchard I think the concern is the range when the temperature is low. Bjørn Nyland (Tesla Bjørn) from Norway has some videos about winter driving in freezing temperatures with cold batteries.
Winter tires are probably at lower pressure and are likely a large cause of the lower range. Thats pretty good range for the battery size. Would be nice for the ID. Wagon to have 90 kwhr battery option for longe range road trips.
Depends on the consumption. Seems this car will let you drive pretty long and have short enough stops. I bet 1000 km when all goes well will take only 9h30 including charging. Wagon, do you mean the ID.4? A simply extended ID.3 would be lovely to me.
@@olemissjim the Tesla with 75kWh useable battery capacity have 560km wltp range the id3 with 77kWh have 550km wltp... and by the way there not much difference in the room size
@@alexanderratai5011 that's true. Winter tyres def worse too. And I hope bad tyre pressure. The EVs are always recommended driving on higher that OEM given pressures. Ride still holds good as they are heavy cars.
I’ve just had my first drive of an ID-3 and it is surprisingly good ! I have driven Toyota Prius & Prius + before and this VW is better. Good performance , it drives well with a good ride except on motorways where it suffered from lateral rocking . Maybe a faulty shock absorber or a slight lack of damping for motorway driving ? Lots of room inside for passengers but the 5th spot in the middle lacks a little headroom and comfort for a long journey . Perfect for 4 though. Boot big enough for 2 large suitcases.
8:28 When the voice command recognition activates you can see in the background completely bogus numbers for power. The power drops to zero. Yes, you are going slightly downhill, but as soon as you make the window close, and still going downhill, the power start slowly ramping up again. There is some very weird moving average and it is not being updated properly when the voice command recognition window shows up. Or maybe the cruise control is doing weird things. The power usage doesn't look as stable and smooth as I would like despite the speed maintained very well. Connecting to OBD port and logging speed, power, SoC, battery and ambient temperature data 10 times per second for entire trip would really be a nice thing to analyses, even better if is it correlated with GPS location and altitude.
Perfect alternative to mich more expensive model3 long range as tesla wanted more cash and stopped doing LR rwd wich was cheaper, a bit more range as bonus, and closer to id.3 as a whole
more range I guess cause winter tyres are making far more noise and rule of thumb: more noise stands for less efficiency ... and you recognice that in the second you are aware of a 3 km/h lower ø speed which makes a lot ... 120 to 130 . But at 90 Chris would get tired from 150 km plus (19 kWh / 12,9 ~ 150 km) . 58 kWh got at 90 kmh 150 km further (440 km @ 129 Wh ) and the 77 kWh max will make 600 km which also means to drive 7 hours like a truck @ 90 kmh = 630 km I guess 550 km @ 100 km/h xhould be possible ... cause 40 km /h cam at a price of 7,8 kWh ... and therefore the lowest 10 km/h gain will be a lot cheaper than the ø 1,95 per 10 kmh from 90 to 130 ... mayve 1,1 kWh ... and that would mean 14,1 kWh and 546 km. Good results, but best of all ist the 125 kW charge curve or charging power. ... Did you got your car meanwhile ?
You'll also get more out of it even in Germany. If you drive max 130, then your average is more like 100-110 even in Germany as there is always traffic or speed limits.
3 hours off highway range is pretty good for most normal humans. I did a trip 1 year ago in a gasoline Infiniti from NYC to Vancouver. Logged the entire trip. Our longest non-stop leg was 3 hr 12 minutes and it was three guys in their 30s, so nobody who needs extra bathroom breaks or anything. Typical segments were ~2 hr 50 min, ~160-190 miles, ~257-305 km. The only thing we'd need to make this trip in a Model 3 or ID4 (ID3 no-go in USA) is overnight charging. There are already enough >100kW chargers on the route to make it possible, especially if we talk of Tesla. Real world, usable electric cars are here. Time for the public to realise this and transition.
350km is more than expected, in my case i will have a pitstop earlier in most trips. Now watch the charging video. How far can you go with a 20 min break 🤔
20 mins will add you 200km, roughly (not at 130km/h though...) And it will only get better as charging speed will be improved by software (from 125 to 170kw) - but 20 mins break every 2h or so is really doable.
The price list I can now find here in Norway seems to indicate the Pro S does *not* have a ski hatch in the back seat. But it's also possible they don't mention it because it's not an optional extra on the Pro S. The cheapest of the regular range models don't have it. Can you remember if the one you tested had one? It's a must for me. I guess it's possible to put in skis by folding down the back seat but that's not quite the same.
How are the seats in the back look like. Is there a difference about 2 or 3 seats in the back or just on the car paper that it is only for totally 4 person's?
I really don’t know why VW doesn’t let you put SOC in the instrument cluster all the time. I really want to see an ID.4 77kWh range test as soon as it’s released!
@@BatteryLife So they specifically asked you not to show the back seat? This is very interesting. I now suspect that this wasn't a final design of it. On the live stream it looked kinda crappy, like if they took a normal back seat and just didn't install middle headrest and seat belt onto it. I expect something better in the production version.
@@BatteryLife Thank you very much for your video as you can see that it is a German car hahaha 385 trunk id3 kona 332 without counting the hidden part where a spare wheel fits perfectly. the id3 77kwh has two 3-seater kona rear seats, where does the id3 have more space? according to these data, the kona with 64 kwh does more than 130 km with nexxen tires. With type A you do 40 km more if these data are correct that battery would not be efficient at all, the id3 .54 kwh with 21 kwh less would be much more efficient than the id3 77 kwh and if the kona regenerates at 150 kw the id3 at 33 kw
@@artem10789 that is an incorrect data the id3 54 kwh if it is more efficient than the kona but only for one reason because the kona has type C tires we are talking about the id3 77 kwh and according to the test data it is not more efficient than the kona or with nexxen type c tires
Simon Greening id3 is cheaper than Kona. It starts at 36.000 euro(58 kWh)Battery is bigger it is true, because of this Kona a little bit more range than 58 kWh id3. On the other hand The 77 kWh id3 version has more range than Kona but starts at 41.000 euro.
My typical Tesla (M3 LR AWD) speed on the Autobahn is 150. Yesterday I had the same consumption @150 also with winter tyres 18". But the consumption of the id is really ok.
My Model 3 Performance with 18 inch aftermarket wheels did this at 80 mph (129kph) round trip from Tuscon to Phoenix AZ and back on the same highway. It was 100+ degrees F out AC blasting set to 74 F drive.google.com/file/d/1304IMxdeG1PTQuCeHXVtLRDdsV6slB6H/view?usp=sharing Used 65kwh out of 74kwh has about 11% indicated battery left. Pretty good for a car that has nearly 500hp, AWD, and Sport Tires. VW has a bit of catching up to do.
It basically all boils down to aerodynamic drag - @120km/h the difference is ~26Wh/km - the ID.3 is a bit boxier and has a bigger cross-section area. There is no magic here.
I'm pretty sure your average speed is also in the neighborhood of 120 when you do max 150. There is always traffic or speed limits or construction zones bringing down the average.
@@BatteryLife I thinq the ID3 is perfect for the city. I'm actual searching for replacement for my Astra in addition to our Tesla. But I need the big battery pack, because I have no charging possibility at home. Can you make an only city video?
Did you test 125kW charging? What SoC range does it do 125kW? Do you have charging power curves vs SoC? A timelaps video of charging from 5% to 100% would be nice to have. Also report the ambient temperature.
Stop complaining about 100km/h construction zone speed and construction zones. Where I am, on a 30km stretch of motorway, there have been 6 construction zones for 2.5 years. Normal motorway speed is 90 or 100 km/h and construction zone speed is 40!! It is driving me crazy
It is more complain that it affects testing. Optimally you would maintain constant speed for the reproducible range test. Construction zones introduce yet another variables reducing quality of the data.
@@movax20h yes I know, but it’s just the irony that construction zone speed limits in Germany are faster than normal speed limits in other countries. For even more accuracy, testing could be done on a Dyno. No variations then 🙂
Sooo....will you attempt 1000 km in 9h30 some day? :) Seems you can easily skip at least one stop, drive further on the same charging time per stop...plus that extra energy at the start worth almost half a stop. This car will barely lose time on Model 3!
@@BatteryLife of course, at equal consumption and speed it's 15 kWh less to charge (10 minutes) and 20% less time spent for the further charge needed :-)
I hope that you can compare the range driving in D vs B - you would be surprised how often you can coast, and this would save energy - and it could well extend the range!
Does D automatically goes in Neutral on highways when you lift off the gas? I believe it still regenerates just less than in B. If id. 3 goes neutral when you lift off the gas pedal in D, that would be my dream EV. Most of them always regenerates and if B mode or 1 pedal drive is in them, all it does it regenerates even more. You need coast outside cities.
@@person2186 I am certain that it actually coasts, in D; with no regen when you lift your foot off the accelerator. This is not neutral, as you can simply press the accelerator pedal. The e-Golf does this, and a few other cars, too. But most have mild to medium regen integrated on the accelerator - which is meant to mimic the way an ICE car drives. As you say, coasting is more efficient - and regen is integrated onto the *brake* pedal, so you don't lose the ability to regain some energy, when you *need* to slow down, or stop the car. I have found that when you drive a car with this feature, your habits change - you tend to accelerate less (which saves a lot of energy) and you drive more smoothly, and you can discover many places that coasting is possible - where you would not have expected it.
A lot. Range, cost and refueling time is not everything. Especially when the average person drives 40km a day. btw look at the uk. Patrol stations empty.
@@BatteryLife i understand you. Sadly my trip to work and beck home is 250km. I have no chance to spend extra hour to fill up car, cose im good 3 hours on the roud every day, just for getting to work and home. For me would be car with range at least 500km ideal.
Hello, if we convert this result to an ID.4 under same conditions, the ID.4 could get a range of approx. 300 to 310 km? Wenn wir das Ergebnis auf einen ID.4 umrechnen würden, dann könnte der ID.4 doch eine Reichweite von 300 bis 310 km erreichen? Greetings Tom
@@BatteryLife totally rigt. 5 people in one car are too much. only if the car is 5 meters s-class or whatever huge thing I would not put 5 people never. Totally agree About the 2 seaters in the back, how is the leg room? Same as on 58kwh id3? I hope VW did not raise the bottom floor where your legs go in the back seats. Or at least if they did, they kept square holes for the legs. You know what I mean.
Great test video! For me the point is: where are the range benefits of ID.3 having 77kw against a Kona with 64kw? Even CW-value ist better, but range is less! So what causes this difference? Perhaps a topic for one of the next clips ....
Here the Kona has a shorter range: ruclips.net/video/KlfgTpLY5sk/видео.htmlm35s and calculation is way off. With winter tyres nextmove had it at 20.7 kW / 100 km with an average (gps) speed of 116 km/h.
At the end, it probably depends on the way how you drive the car (and how you measure). I drive Kona 64 with Ganzjahresreifen since March 2019 and had never seen 20 kW / 100 or above at 120 km/h speed. (real speed probably 115-116)
@@konachim In comparison we see 18.9 kW / 100 km for Kona at 28 degrees (!) and 20.1 kW / 100 km for ID.3 Plus at 13 degrees. drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1HOwktdiZmm40atGPwymzrxErMi1ZrKPP?usp=drive_open I feel the temperature difference (air density) is responsible for 1 kWh, so the consumption should probably be within tolerances.
Abraxas Tulammo 28 degree w/o climatization? Again, you will get what and how you measure. Nextmove presented a comparison some days ago and they saw huge differences. So, lets agree that we are all right ;-) (from our standpoint) . By the way, nice collection, thanks for the link!
@@NeilBlanchard Saw the hankook sign on the car right after i asked. im looking for winter tyres right now for an id3 215/55/18... looking for low reistance, low noise and good grip. in that order. and well.. seems lieke a jungle. shortlist continental, nokian michelin, pirelli and good yer. no specific order.
@@jesupojk Nokian Hakka R3 are some of the most efficient tires you can buy, and they happen to be very good winter tires, and are very quiet, too. Michelin X-Ice 3 are also very low rolling resistance, and good winter performance.
@@BatteryLife what I’m saying is everybody on videos etc claim it to be 77kw but when launched VW states 82kw does it charge at the stated 150kw VW claim?
I might buy one for my company these are questions I’ll be asking Volkswagen but I’ll only look at the Tour 82kw model the lesser models are no good for range I wonder if the 20” you will get more range too ...
In germany winter tyre is mandatory in winter conditions. 20 october is not far away from winter. If he goes in the mountains. Meet quick change of temp and conditions. Make an accident all the insurance companies will pay him zero even if the guilt is in the other car in the accident.
Good test, but you drive this car VERY fast as for electric car. Typical Tesla speed is 90-110 km/h and not 130-140 km/h. There is a drastic drop of range at 110-120 km/h and faster, compared to 90 km/h (this is the speed the cars are tested for maximum catalogue range). You drive it like a typical gasoline car and I understand it. We all, Europeans want to drive with such speed 120-140 km/h and not Tesla speed:) So, don't be surprised with higher kW consumption. The tornado-like wind at 130 km/h does all it can to stop this car :)
Still: 130kmh on a German Autobahn, fast? I did buy an eNiro recently because I don’t do long distance, but in the rare occasion I would, I would definitely rent a petrol or diesel car for the peace of mind (heart).
@@RobinKnapp geschäftlich passt das mit 130 leider oft genug nicht. Kommt auch auf die Strecke an. Ich hatte letztens einen Golf 8 TDi, gleiche Infotainment system, wie der ID3. Lenkassistent, ACC, Frontassistent, Schildererkennung und die 190 waren super entspannend. 1200km ohne Probleme und nur 2mal tanken. :) E zu fahren ist aber angenehmer, keine Vibrationen, leiser. Nur mit 120/130 klappt es nicht mit den Terminen. 150 und top-up sollte aber klappen.
This is ridiculous. The 77kwh ID3 shows more or less the advertised range of the 45 kWh one. Ich finde Videos ja echt spitze aber ich hab nach den ersten Berichten über die wirklich schlechte Qualität, dann noch höheren Verbrauch als ioniq und nicht mal basics wie Rückfahrkamera oder Matrixlicht, die seit 5 Jahren bei Opel in und oberhalb der Kontaktklasse fast immer an Bord sind, es sei denn man greift zu x Paketen, die das Auto 6-7000€ teurer machen
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Danke
Great video was looking forward to this
Regarding the suprise with the back seats if anyone is wondering.
The rear midle seat is removed because of a weight limitation.
Its a 2+2
So it is a more luxurious travel with the "Tour" trim, because the rear passengers have more space. ;-)
Thanks great videos. In South Africa we are hoping to get the ID4 in 2021. Does not look like we will get the ID3 anytime soon.
Excellent test Chris, thank you!
Looking forward to the charging speed test.
Greetings from 🇦🇹 :)
Good result given the average of almost 120kph. This is also what you'd get out of a Model 3 LR give or take.
Great video. VW South Africa has imported an SPro to gain interest. Still has the German number plates on. Hoping they will start selling them next year soon.
Can't wait for how well the ID3 performs in wnter driving conditions. That's the only thing holding me back from placing an order.
Well, that’s kind of my concern as well. But which car would do well in winter with loads of snow and steep hills? And no, I’m no longer interested in buying ICE cars 😉, and electric AWDs are out of the question as well, I’m afraid.
Electric cars are almost always better in the winter, than a similar ICE car - they have much better traction control. With winter tires, they do fine.
With rear wheel drive ID3 should be fun to drive in the winter.
@@NeilBlanchard it's not thr traction that concerns me - it's the battery life, short and long life.
@@NeilBlanchard I think the concern is the range when the temperature is low. Bjørn Nyland (Tesla Bjørn) from Norway has some videos about winter driving in freezing temperatures with cold batteries.
Winter tires are probably at lower pressure and are likely a large cause of the lower range. Thats pretty good range for the battery size. Would be nice for the ID. Wagon to have 90 kwhr battery option for longe range road trips.
Depends on the consumption. Seems this car will let you drive pretty long and have short enough stops. I bet 1000 km when all goes well will take only 9h30 including charging. Wagon, do you mean the ID.4? A simply extended ID.3 would be lovely to me.
Wait for the German Tesla, with the same kWh pack the Tesla goes MUCH father and you get more room
@@olemissjim the Tesla with 75kWh useable battery capacity have 560km wltp range the id3 with 77kWh have 550km wltp... and by the way there not much difference in the room size
For the form factor (compact car, worse aero than a sedan) this is really good
I would say that your consumption is higher mainly because of the extra weight you carry, not because of the winter tyres.
It is because winter tires rise up consumption. And I bet they were too low on pressure
I was talking about the bigger battery compared to the 54kWh version which makes about 150kg
@@alexanderratai5011 that's true. Winter tyres def worse too. And I hope bad tyre pressure. The EVs are always recommended driving on higher that OEM given pressures. Ride still holds good as they are heavy cars.
4:16 Jessas! I know you're still a true bavarian ;-)
I’ve just had my first drive of an ID-3 and it is surprisingly good ! I have driven Toyota Prius & Prius + before and this VW is better. Good performance , it drives well with a good ride except on motorways where it suffered from lateral rocking . Maybe a faulty shock absorber or a slight lack of damping for motorway driving ? Lots of room inside for passengers but the 5th spot in the middle lacks a little headroom and comfort for a long journey . Perfect for 4 though. Boot big enough for 2 large suitcases.
Lateral rocking? You mean short travel of the springs dampers you you get hits in you back on higher bumps on highways highspeed runs?
8:28 When the voice command recognition activates you can see in the background completely bogus numbers for power. The power drops to zero. Yes, you are going slightly downhill, but as soon as you make the window close, and still going downhill, the power start slowly ramping up again. There is some very weird moving average and it is not being updated properly when the voice command recognition window shows up. Or maybe the cruise control is doing weird things. The power usage doesn't look as stable and smooth as I would like despite the speed maintained very well. Connecting to OBD port and logging speed, power, SoC, battery and ambient temperature data 10 times per second for entire trip would really be a nice thing to analyses, even better if is it correlated with GPS location and altitude.
Are you really driving and filming at the same time? Really safe style!
Perfect alternative to mich more expensive model3 long range as tesla wanted more cash and stopped doing LR rwd wich was cheaper, a bit more range as bonus, and closer to id.3 as a whole
Der erste ID3 ohne die typischen Aufkleber auf der C Säule.
Excellent Chris, so the 77kWh gives you an extra 75km at motorway speed. I expect at 90kmh it will give much more.
more range I guess cause winter tyres are making far more noise and rule of thumb: more noise stands for less efficiency ... and you recognice that in the second you are aware of a 3 km/h lower ø speed which makes a lot ... 120 to 130 .
But at 90 Chris would get tired from 150 km plus (19 kWh / 12,9 ~ 150 km) .
58 kWh got at 90 kmh 150 km further (440 km @ 129 Wh ) and the 77 kWh max will make 600 km which also means to drive 7 hours like a truck @ 90 kmh = 630 km
I guess 550 km @ 100 km/h xhould be possible ... cause 40 km /h cam at a price of 7,8 kWh ... and therefore the lowest 10 km/h gain will be a lot cheaper than the ø 1,95 per 10 kmh from 90 to 130 ... mayve 1,1 kWh ... and that would mean 14,1 kWh and 546 km.
Good results, but best of all ist the 125 kW charge curve or charging power. ...
Did you got your car meanwhile ?
You'll also get more out of it even in Germany. If you drive max 130, then your average is more like 100-110 even in Germany as there is always traffic or speed limits.
Is the backseat space lower in this version with 77kwh than the 58kwh??
The battery is flat in the underfloor and has no influence on backseat space.
3 hours off highway range is pretty good for most normal humans. I did a trip 1 year ago in a gasoline Infiniti from NYC to Vancouver. Logged the entire trip. Our longest non-stop leg was 3 hr 12 minutes and it was three guys in their 30s, so nobody who needs extra bathroom breaks or anything. Typical segments were ~2 hr 50 min, ~160-190 miles, ~257-305 km.
The only thing we'd need to make this trip in a Model 3 or ID4 (ID3 no-go in USA) is overnight charging. There are already enough >100kW chargers on the route to make it possible, especially if we talk of Tesla.
Real world, usable electric cars are here. Time for the public to realise this and transition.
350km is more than expected, in my case i will have a pitstop earlier in most trips. Now watch the charging video. How far can you go with a 20 min break 🤔
20 mins will add you 200km, roughly (not at 130km/h though...) And it will only get better as charging speed will be improved by software (from 125 to 170kw) - but 20 mins break every 2h or so is really doable.
The price list I can now find here in Norway seems to indicate the Pro S does *not* have a ski hatch in the back seat. But it's also possible they don't mention it because it's not an optional extra on the Pro S. The cheapest of the regular range models don't have it. Can you remember if the one you tested had one? It's a must for me. I guess it's possible to put in skis by folding down the back seat but that's not quite the same.
Sorry, can't remember. I don't think so.
I heard that the 77 kWh versions of the ID.3 only have 4 seats, so 2 in the back. Does someone have a picture of this?
It is online somewhere. 2 seats and a hard very uncomfortable part in the middle, where you can put stuff.
There it is:
goingelectric.de/forum/download/file.php?id=102142
goingelectric.de/forum/download/file.php?id=102141
Which one got better range on 130 km/t: Kwh 58 or Kwh 77 ? How about on 90 km/t ?
The 77 one should get about 30 % more range. If you would like to keep a certain safety buffer, the usable capacity is even better.
@@abraxastulammo9940 So technically you can achieve over 500 km/t ?
@@jonpetter8921 Depending on environmental conditions and driving speed, yes. Should be possible at 90 km/h.
@@abraxastulammo9940 Indeed with controlled driving and better tyres.
Servus aus Regensburg. Is it possible to preheat the battery pack and the cabin before a trip via app?
Cabin yes. Battery no idea. The battery preheats automatically while charging and when navigating to a charger.
@@BatteryLife ok, thanks
@@BatteryLife That will be very interesting for temperatures below zero in combination with the heat pump.
Can’t wait for vw to make id1 and id2 too.
How are the seats in the back look like. Is there a difference about 2 or 3 seats in the back or just on the car paper that it is only for totally 4 person's?
It is only 2 seats. You cannot sit in the middle.
It means it is different to your ID.3 model?
Yes.
@@BatteryLife how is the leg room in the back seats? I heard it is worse than 58kwh battery id3
@@person2186 You heard wrong: the battery is just a bit longer, space had been reserved for it in the underfloor, so no change whatsoever.
There is now a 5 seater id.3 tour available.
That is true.
350km at 120km/h, is probably 400km at 100 and 400+ at 80/90km/h.. pretty good and usable range.
As of now my average is about 280 km in my Pro s
90 % charge
outside temperature is about 0 degrees Celsius
With carful driving
That quite normal in cold weather, all EV's have this problem with current battery packs
I really don’t know why VW doesn’t let you put SOC in the instrument cluster all the time. I really want to see an ID.4 77kWh range test as soon as it’s released!
almost 50 k for to go at 120/130 for 300 Km🍆🥒🥕😂 i mean like all the others... just amazing for the City.
This is the first video of Pro S on the Internet, I can't believe you didn't show us its two-seat back seat!
I promised them... It is really not a big deal.
@@BatteryLife So they specifically asked you not to show the back seat? This is very interesting. I now suspect that this wasn't a final design of it. On the live stream it looked kinda crappy, like if they took a normal back seat and just didn't install middle headrest and seat belt onto it. I expect something better in the production version.
It was not VW, the id3 deutschlandtour wants to show the back seats.
With a kona and goodyear efficientgrip or Michelin tires you do more km with a 64 kwh kona than with an id3 of 77?
No idea. Kona has zero space though. But better regen.
@@BatteryLife Thank you very much for your video as you can see that it is a German car hahaha 385 trunk id3 kona 332 without counting the hidden part where a spare wheel fits perfectly. the id3 77kwh has two 3-seater kona rear seats, where does the id3 have more space? according to these data, the kona with 64 kwh does more than 130 km with nexxen tires. With type A you do 40 km more if these data are correct that battery would not be efficient at all, the id3 .54 kwh with 21 kwh less would be much more efficient than the id3 77 kwh and if the kona regenerates at 150 kw the id3 at 33 kw
I am talking about the space for the people in backseats.
At 130 kmh Kona has a worse consumption than id3
@@artem10789 that is an incorrect data the id3 54 kwh if it is more efficient than the kona but only for one reason because the kona has type C tires we are talking about the id3 77 kwh and according to the test data it is not more efficient than the kona or with nexxen type c tires
What about winter tyres AND winter weather, like 0 degrees C and snow/rain AND heating ON? Would you get past 250km? 😄
It had winter tires on. Heat is depending on heatpump or ptc. 2 to 3 kWh per hour more.
Good mileage for winter tyres i think and also tyre pressure also affects range.
yes, higher tyre pressures help, but be careful
Kona 64 can do that range but lower charging speed, not a major issue in UK as most chargers are just 50 kw
True. But if you need more space...
Kona can do this range but with max 110-115kmh. With 130 kmh speed Kona has a worse consumption than id3
@@artem10789 true but battery is bigger and the id3 is considerably more expensive
Simon Greening id3 is cheaper than Kona. It starts at 36.000 euro(58 kWh)Battery is bigger it is true, because of this Kona a little bit more range than 58 kWh id3. On the other hand The 77 kWh id3 version has more range than Kona but starts at 41.000 euro.
Family Life In Berlin what’s the cost of the 77 version?
My typical Tesla (M3 LR AWD) speed on the Autobahn is 150. Yesterday I had the same consumption @150 also with winter tyres 18".
But the consumption of the id is really ok.
M3 consumption rules!
My Model 3 Performance with 18 inch aftermarket wheels did this at 80 mph (129kph) round trip from Tuscon to Phoenix AZ and back on the same highway. It was 100+ degrees F out AC blasting set to 74 F drive.google.com/file/d/1304IMxdeG1PTQuCeHXVtLRDdsV6slB6H/view?usp=sharing
Used 65kwh out of 74kwh has about 11% indicated battery left.
Pretty good for a car that has nearly 500hp, AWD, and Sport Tires.
VW has a bit of catching up to do.
It basically all boils down to aerodynamic drag - @120km/h the difference is ~26Wh/km - the ID.3 is a bit boxier and has a bigger cross-section area. There is no magic here.
I'm pretty sure your average speed is also in the neighborhood of 120 when you do max 150. There is always traffic or speed limits or construction zones bringing down the average.
@@BatteryLife I thinq the ID3 is perfect for the city. I'm actual searching for replacement for my Astra in addition to our Tesla. But I need the big battery pack, because I have no charging possibility at home. Can you make an only city video?
Did you test 125kW charging? What SoC range does it do 125kW? Do you have charging power curves vs SoC? A timelaps video of charging from 5% to 100% would be nice to have. Also report the ambient temperature.
You can see in the next video.
@@BatteryLife I found it! Great work. Thanks for the spreadsheet! Super useful.
Can anyone estimate what would be the range with summer tires?
The difference between the best (A) and worst (G) is 6-7%. If you use winter tires with low rolling resistance (C), the the difference is only 2%.
Anyone got a link to the video regarding, charging video ?
Sent it to you
Stop complaining about 100km/h construction zone speed and construction zones. Where I am, on a 30km stretch of motorway, there have been 6 construction zones for 2.5 years. Normal motorway speed is 90 or 100 km/h and construction zone speed is 40!! It is driving me crazy
Sorry for you.
It is more complain that it affects testing. Optimally you would maintain constant speed for the reproducible range test. Construction zones introduce yet another variables reducing quality of the data.
@@movax20h yes I know, but it’s just the irony that construction zone speed limits in Germany are faster than normal speed limits in other countries. For even more accuracy, testing could be done on a Dyno. No variations then 🙂
Sooo....will you attempt 1000 km in 9h30 some day? :)
Seems you can easily skip at least one stop, drive further on the same charging time per stop...plus that extra energy at the start worth almost half a stop. This car will barely lose time on Model 3!
If VW gives me one. But I don't know if it would be that much faster.
@@BatteryLife of course, at equal consumption and speed it's 15 kWh less to charge (10 minutes) and 20% less time spent for the further charge needed :-)
How much do you pay to charge on ionity when you have an id3?
2000 kWh free with First Edition. Then 50 cent or 30 cent per kWh with 10€ a month.
@@BatteryLife 55 Cent, not 50 without monthly fee.
So about 200Wh/km @ 130km/h, or about 26kW to maintain the speed on flat dry road.
I hope that you can compare the range driving in D vs B - you would be surprised how often you can coast, and this would save energy - and it could well extend the range!
I was in D unless I had to slow down
@@BatteryLife When I was seeing it during it in the video, it seemed you were in B.
Does D automatically goes in Neutral on highways when you lift off the gas? I believe it still regenerates just less than in B.
If id. 3 goes neutral when you lift off the gas pedal in D, that would be my dream EV. Most of them always regenerates and if B mode or 1 pedal drive is in them, all it does it regenerates even more.
You need coast outside cities.
@@person2186 I am certain that it actually coasts, in D; with no regen when you lift your foot off the accelerator. This is not neutral, as you can simply press the accelerator pedal. The e-Golf does this, and a few other cars, too. But most have mild to medium regen integrated on the accelerator - which is meant to mimic the way an ICE car drives.
As you say, coasting is more efficient - and regen is integrated onto the *brake* pedal, so you don't lose the ability to regain some energy, when you *need* to slow down, or stop the car. I have found that when you drive a car with this feature, your habits change - you tend to accelerate less (which saves a lot of energy) and you drive more smoothly, and you can discover many places that coasting is possible - where you would not have expected it.
@@NeilBlanchard thanks
I do with my kadjar diesel over 1000km with one full tank. Done on petrol station in 2min. And brand new car costs 22000€. What more to say?
A lot. Range, cost and refueling time is not everything. Especially when the average person drives 40km a day.
btw look at the uk. Patrol stations empty.
@@BatteryLife i understand you. Sadly my trip to work and beck home is 250km. I have no chance to spend extra hour to fill up car, cose im good 3 hours on the roud every day, just for getting to work and home. For me would be car with range at least 500km ideal.
Not bad. How much can you get out of 90% urban use?
Hello,
if we convert this result to an ID.4 under same conditions, the ID.4 could get a range of approx. 300 to 310 km?
Wenn wir das Ergebnis auf einen ID.4 umrechnen würden, dann könnte der ID.4 doch eine Reichweite von 300 bis 310 km erreichen?
Greetings Tom
We don't know yet.
If consumption is indeed higher: isn’t the 77kWh version heavier?
Yes, that is the main weigh difference. If this car has the glass roof, that also adds weight.
@@NeilBlanchard can't get tow hook nor glass roof
winter tires are responsible for higher consumption
@@EinzigfreierName With all season tyres the consumption went up 0.6 kWh or nearly 5 % in WLTP. 526 km instead of 549 km range with 19".
@@dercapndirk They may well be, but they are not always - Nokian Hakka R3 winter tires are some of the most efficient tires of any type.
It is 4 seater, people, enjoy;)
I don't care! It has been 20years since I had more than 4 people in a car.
@@BatteryLife totally rigt. 5 people in one car are too much. only if the car is 5 meters s-class or whatever huge thing I would not put 5 people never.
Totally agree
About the 2 seaters in the back, how is the leg room? Same as on 58kwh id3? I hope VW did not raise the bottom floor where your legs go in the back seats. Or at least if they did, they kept square holes for the legs. You know what I mean.
If you don't want to go through the video, autonomy 351.5km with 3% left, winter tires.
So mean :(
Sorry, i can delete if it bothers you
No no, it is fine ;)
uh oh, hope it.s fixed in id.3 tour version 😅 I was about to get one.
Great test video! For me the point is: where are the range benefits of ID.3 having 77kw against a Kona with 64kw? Even CW-value ist better, but range is less! So what causes this difference? Perhaps a topic for one of the next clips ....
Here the Kona has a shorter range:
ruclips.net/video/KlfgTpLY5sk/видео.htmlm35s and calculation is way off. With winter tyres nextmove had it at 20.7 kW / 100 km with an average (gps) speed of 116 km/h.
At the end, it probably depends on the way how you drive the car (and how you measure). I drive Kona 64 with Ganzjahresreifen since March 2019 and had never seen 20 kW / 100 or above at 120 km/h speed. (real speed probably 115-116)
@@konachim In comparison we see 18.9 kW / 100 km for Kona at 28 degrees (!) and 20.1 kW / 100 km for ID.3 Plus at 13 degrees.
drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1HOwktdiZmm40atGPwymzrxErMi1ZrKPP?usp=drive_open
I feel the temperature difference (air density) is responsible for 1 kWh, so the consumption should probably be within tolerances.
Abraxas Tulammo 28 degree w/o climatization? Again, you will get what and how you measure. Nextmove presented a comparison some days ago and they saw huge differences. So, lets agree that we are all right ;-) (from our standpoint) . By the way, nice collection, thanks for the link!
make and brand of winter tier is?
They are Hankook, I think; but we don't know what model.
@@NeilBlanchard Saw the hankook sign on the car right after i asked. im looking for winter tyres right now for an id3 215/55/18... looking for low reistance, low noise and good grip. in that order. and well.. seems lieke a jungle. shortlist continental, nokian michelin, pirelli and good yer. no specific order.
@@jesupojk Nokian Hakka R3 are some of the most efficient tires you can buy, and they happen to be very good winter tires, and are very quiet, too. Michelin X-Ice 3 are also very low rolling resistance, and good winter performance.
Neil Blanchard
The R3’s Seems to hit the spot.
You said it was 73kw everywhere else says 77kw but Volkswagen ID3 Tour 82kw ????
I always say 77 kWh. That is the usuable energy from the 82 kWh battery.
@@BatteryLife what I’m saying is everybody on videos etc claim it to be 77kw but when launched VW states 82kw does it charge at the stated 150kw VW claim?
I might buy one for my company these are questions I’ll be asking Volkswagen but I’ll only look at the Tour 82kw model the lesser models are no good for range I wonder if the 20” you will get more range too ...
It is a 82 kWh battery. 77 kWh are usuable for driving.
Charging speed is stated ah 125 kW.
I did a charging video
Tires do not make that much difference.
77 kwh batteries that CATL produces?
LG afaik
the patreon banner is far far too fast disappearing ...
If it should appear there then give the viewer the time to read and recognice.
I don't want to annoy people.
Don’t show us the back seats, just tell us if it has the same bench like the 58kwh and the same number of seatbelts
4 seatbelts. 2 seats ;)
👍😎
No 90 km/h test?
No
He is Chris not Björn 😁
I want this car so bad, but I live in the U.S. :(
move to Europe
if the tires were low in pressure that would effect the range.
Correct.
16 degrees on wintertyres...
In germany winter tyre is mandatory in winter conditions. 20 october is not far away from winter. If he goes in the mountains. Meet quick change of temp and conditions. Make an accident all the insurance companies will pay him zero even if the guilt is in the other car in the accident.
Doesn't even come close to what VW claims. Why not? It apparently wasn't that cold.
Winter tires and driving 130 kmh. Wltp range is not 100% highway speed.
@@BatteryLife WLTP is at 90 if I'm not mistaken.
War Björn nicht schneller???
Das war die 58 kWh version.
Why is it so amazingly noisy ???
Winter tires, phone mic
Only a 4 seater... Compromised
Good test, but you drive this car VERY fast as for electric car. Typical Tesla speed is 90-110 km/h and not 130-140 km/h. There is a drastic drop of range at 110-120 km/h and faster, compared to 90 km/h (this is the speed the cars are tested for maximum catalogue range). You drive it like a typical gasoline car and I understand it. We all, Europeans want to drive with such speed 120-140 km/h and not Tesla speed:) So, don't be surprised with higher kW consumption. The tornado-like wind at 130 km/h does all it can to stop this car :)
WLTP has a 131 km/h component.
Still: 130kmh on a German Autobahn, fast? I did buy an eNiro recently because I don’t do long distance, but in the rare occasion I would, I would definitely rent a petrol or diesel car for the peace of mind (heart).
Bitte deutsche Untertitel
Wahrscheinlich habe ich was verpasst. Aber warum sind deine Kommentare stets auf Englisch?
The "pro" has no cruise control. Wow
This is the lowest trim of the Pro S.
Bekommen wir noch einen 150km/h Test? Was eine normale Reisegeschwindigkeit wäre.
NO
"Normale" Reisegeschwindigkeit ist wohl eher subjektiv...
Ich fahre meist 130 - (noch) mit Diesel, ist viel entspannter und man braucht kaum länger.
150 Sachen? In heutigen Zeiten sind das nicht unbedingt normale Reisegeschwindigkeiten.
@@RobinKnapp geschäftlich passt das mit 130 leider oft genug nicht. Kommt auch auf die Strecke an. Ich hatte letztens einen Golf 8 TDi, gleiche Infotainment system, wie der ID3. Lenkassistent, ACC, Frontassistent, Schildererkennung und die 190 waren super entspannend. 1200km ohne Probleme und nur 2mal tanken. :) E zu fahren ist aber angenehmer, keine Vibrationen, leiser. Nur mit 120/130 klappt es nicht mit den Terminen. 150 und top-up sollte aber klappen.
@@larsradtke4097 Ist 150 besser als 160?
This is ridiculous. The 77kwh ID3 shows more or less the advertised range of the 45 kWh one. Ich finde Videos ja echt spitze aber ich hab nach den ersten Berichten über die wirklich schlechte Qualität, dann noch höheren Verbrauch als ioniq und nicht mal basics wie Rückfahrkamera oder Matrixlicht, die seit 5 Jahren bei Opel in und oberhalb der Kontaktklasse fast immer an Bord sind, es sei denn man greift zu x Paketen, die das Auto 6-7000€ teurer machen
Wltp and highspeed speed are 2 complete different things!
Kauf halt Ioniq wenn er besser passt, am besten günstig den 28er, der noch richtig gut laden konnte. 👍
77kWh = 218 mi (3% left).. wow, buy a Tesla, seriously.
Winter tires!
Please stop hogging the middle lane!!!!
Nope