To everybody commenting about the differences in distance in the sheet, different cars count different distance because the margin of error is calibrated differently in different cars. The distance according to Google Maps is 615km. Starting point is as always Circle K Sandvika, turn around point is Togstasjon Kristiansand and end point is Circle K Sandvika. If you plot this into Google maps it will show 621km, however that is not correct because Google Maps routes you around Varoddbrua-Tunnelen because for some reason it thinks the tunnel is closed, which it is not. Real distance is 615km, and every car travels the exact same distance. However, I some times stop along the route for a toilet break off camera. I then stop the timer, and in these cases the actual traveled distance may be 200m - 500m extra, which does not account for any real difference in distance.
Thanks, this could be an annotation so people would stop wondering. 👍 Is the consumption corrected for real distance? A car reporting less km would have lower consumption in kWh / 100 km than indicated because the fixed amount of used kWh should be spread over a higher number of km (if this makes sense).
I just ordered a new Id.3 Tour 77kwh. I have a habit of ordering new cars when i'm heavily overworked (boat mechanic in spring time.. oof) i'm glad i made a good purchase this time haha
As someone else stated, the charger can only output 300A. The plugs are able to output 400A. Also the Delta chargers from Mer, BKK and Kople are not liquid cooled and can deliver up to 400A.
Kris, this is great info on the Kempower chargers! I looked up their spec sheet and it is indeed limited to 300 A, which means at 363 Volt for that ID.3/ID.4 battery at low SoC you can expect only 363 V x 300 A = 109 kW 🕵️
Good enough result. Compared to Tesla, ID.3 77 kWh is price wise choice here in Finland because LR M3 costs over 10.000 Eur more. Too expensive. Thanks for the clear test video, awaiting for more... Btw. It was nice to see you were using Kempower chargers!
Of you run the Tesla m3 again, what is fair, it’ll be a close call. Then... you also should do this one again. You missed rather much charging speed... 125 iso 108... the car will Normally reach the 108 around a 40% of charge. So you charged more then 30% with a lower then possible charging speed because the chargers couldn’t handle it. My suggestion would be to recalculate the extra time (must be around 3-5 min) and subtract that from your actual time, or to do it again. I would choose the first option;) Anyway great video Chris!
@@KrisRifa plus one time at least pee (and a little stretching/walk and some coffee maybe), hopefully - for road safety's sake as long as at least Level 4 FSD isn't reality. And yes, I've driven 600+km in one stretch aswell and yes, we're all superheroes - not :-D
@@OenkePoenke yeah totally! In the real world you would probably do one 15min stop on a trip like that. So 25min charge stop really doesn't make much difference :)
Im not agree whit your dates... i have an id3 56 and at 110km/h similar conditions of temperature i have a 16kwh/100. so its imposible that a 2000kg car has same consumption of a 77kwh.
What`s the point of this test?? They all cover different distances (its in your chart that ID.3 made less 20 km then the TM3 LR, its not a simple toilet break is it?), with total different weather conditions (11 C with quite different of 2.ª for a electric car) and the more important is time they took? Was the traffic exactly the same? So autonomy and efficiency don't matter, because if they do, TM3 LR is the best of all 3...
I explain the point within the first 30 seconds. The point is to complete the route which is 615km the fastest. They alle cover the exact same distance, but report different distance because of how the different manufacturers calibrate their cars differently. I cannot control weather and temperature, can you? That's why the same cars will be tested several times in a year. I talk about the difference in temperature in the video, seems like you didn't even watch the whole thing since all you questions are answered in it. I also address some of your questions in my pinned comment at the top. I also talk about traffic, which is also another thing I cannot control. Before you do the same extensive testing of all these cars on a timed route like this you cannot just simply state that TM3 is the best. I don't make that claim about any car, the results speak for them selves. And until I get to test that car again in midler or warmer conditions, I cannot claim that either - even though that is probably is. Before it actually goes through the test again, the results are the results.
Cool performance by ID3; too small a car for me, personally, as would be Tesla 3, but a really great time. And good to see VW challenging Tesla on longer runs!
wheelbase on tm3 is 2.78 ID3 2.76 Not that mutch. ID3 is higher and feels more spacious. The tesla ha a frunk. Depends on cost and needs i would say. Would go for an Ioniq5 cause it will beat them both 😀 and its cheaper.
@@dennisbjergmadsen5163 Liking that and Kia EV6, which might be my new favourite (over Skoda Enyaq). It feels good that better EVs and certainly more choice is coming!
In Bjørn Nyland's Bana Box Test, Model 3 takes 6+1/17, while ID.3 takes 7/19 Banana Boxes, see his spread sheet - ID.3 is more spacious for the back passengers docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit#gid=0
Why is there so much difference in the distance? Between this and the Model 3 it is 20km which is with that speed is 12 minutes more and of course more charging. Hard to compare these results. I think you should try to use the same route and distance with every car....
I use exactly the same route with every car. Different cars count distance differently, that's just how it is and has always been. The Route is 615km according to google maps and has not changed.
The ID3 is a roomy, quiet, smooth, well built family hatchback car. The M3 is a ‘look at me’ car in a sports car tradition, where performance is typically the most important factor. Take your pick based on your preference. Although tbf Elon Musk is also pretty obnoxious.
What could it possibly do better? 5 minutes less charging time maybe because consumption is a bit lower. So what? The limit in this test is the norwegian speed limits and not the cars any more :). You'd have to do a test like this on german autobahn to see the true advantage of Model 3 which is lower air drag. At 100km/h the difference does not matter much, at 160 it does.
Hi Kris, your spreadsheet is rather inconsistent but I do appreciate the fact you did mention the LR Tesla Model 3 was done in -7 and the ID3 in current temps. How can you have the Tesla travel much further, have much lower consumption but not be top of your list?? If you travelled the extra 20km in the ID3 to make the distance fair compared to the Tesla then the ID3 wouldn’t have completed in less time? I think fairness where fairness is due and you either have to ensure the metrics are the same on your test runs. I think the people who look at the actual Data will still see the Tesla M3 even in much lower temps and the doing the further distance would win and be on top. This is an observation and not a criticism so keep up the good work. 👍🏻 Edited - To add the fact I’ve just read your own comment further down the comments list explaining the distance. So I now appreciate the distance should technically be the same for all. 👍🏻
To everybody commenting about the differences in distance in the sheet, different cars count different distance because the margin of error is calibrated differently in different cars. The distance according to Google Maps is 615km. Starting point is as always Circle K Sandvika, turn around point is Togstasjon Kristiansand and end point is Circle K Sandvika. If you plot this into Google maps it will show 621km, however that is not correct because Google Maps routes you around Varoddbrua-Tunnelen because for some reason it thinks the tunnel is closed, which it is not. Real distance is 615km, and every car travels the exact same distance. However, I some times stop along the route for a toilet break off camera. I then stop the timer, and in these cases the actual traveled distance may be 200m - 500m extra, which does not account for any real difference in distance.
Thanks, this could be an annotation so people would stop wondering. 👍
Is the consumption corrected for real distance?
A car reporting less km would have lower consumption in kWh / 100 km than indicated because the fixed amount of used kWh should be spread over a higher number of km (if this makes sense).
Love this car to drive. The higher seats, the driving experience, everything..I have the 77kwh model too..Nice!
Congratulations to both the iD3 and to Kris - making it top of the list :)
very sympathetic likeable car it is!
Thanks!
OMG !! Superb work from VW !! Amazing this ID.3, LOVE IT. BTW, amazing video Kris, you are the best :=)
Thanks a lot mate :)
Very nice test, this is exactly the kind of use that I have with my id3 77kwh and it confirms how adequately this car fills the need
I just ordered a new Id.3 Tour 77kwh. I have a habit of ordering new cars when i'm heavily overworked (boat mechanic in spring time.. oof) i'm glad i made a good purchase this time haha
"Fossil people..." You made my day, Kris.
Hilsen fra Bergen
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As someone else stated, the charger can only output 300A. The plugs are able to output 400A. Also the Delta chargers from Mer, BKK and Kople are not liquid cooled and can deliver up to 400A.
total enough! i like that car. 77 kwh battery is useabble for evrything. Thx video.
Kris, this is great info on the Kempower chargers! I looked up their spec sheet and it is indeed limited to 300 A, which means at 363 Volt for that ID.3/ID.4 battery at low SoC you can expect only 363 V x 300 A = 109 kW 🕵️
Yes, 150kw is theoretical max with 500V * 300A. Many chargers have a current limit but almost none have it clearly marked.
@@pka8514 7:31 If the orange cabinets house the power modules, there can be 3x 4x 40 kW = 480 kW for the whole location with 8 charging points.
Good test and good result with a car that I start to like more and more. No problem with the infotainment on this one?
Good enough result. Compared to Tesla, ID.3 77 kWh is price wise choice here in Finland because LR M3 costs over 10.000 Eur more. Too expensive. Thanks for the clear test video, awaiting for more...
Btw. It was nice to see you were using Kempower chargers!
Model 3 LR price can for sure be discussed but it’s 4wd
@@Nlkla5 That's true. 4wd is expensive. Can't compare 1 to 1.
The ID.3 Tour is actually more expensive than M3 LR in Switzerland. Only the "poverty spec" Pro S is cheaper.
@@arjuutuupi The Motor price is only a few hundred dollars for Tesla according to Munro & associates.
Of you run the Tesla m3 again, what is fair, it’ll be a close call. Then... you also should do this one again. You missed rather much charging speed... 125 iso 108... the car will Normally reach the 108 around a 40% of charge.
So you charged more then 30% with a lower then possible charging speed because the chargers couldn’t handle it.
My suggestion would be to recalculate the extra time (must be around 3-5 min) and subtract that from your actual time, or to do it again. I would choose the first option;)
Anyway great video Chris!
608 km vs. 625 km with the 58 kWh ID.3?
Same route, but different cars count distance differently.
@@KrisRifa so we are comparing apples to oranges? Now way you can get 625 km out of a 58 kWh battery, maybe 325 km
Intr. to see a test with Mach-E LR RWD edition. Lots of customer cars in next 2 weeks arriving norway
Hi, are your result sheets available?
Driving down to 3% SOC 😬
Who will do that except Kris?!
For that "normal" drivers need a longer stop, or maybe one more fast stop.
...haha...when I heard the quad engine initially, I thought it was the charger firing up!
Nicely done, VW ID3! Hey Kris, can you do this run in a fossil car so we can have a benchmark to compare all these EVs to?
Thanks! 😊 A fossil car would take in this case 6h and 16m, because the time half way was 3h 08m 👍
@@KrisRifa plus one time at least pee (and a little stretching/walk and some coffee maybe), hopefully - for road safety's sake as long as at least Level 4 FSD isn't reality. And yes, I've driven 600+km in one stretch aswell and yes, we're all superheroes - not :-D
@@OenkePoenke yeah totally! In the real world you would probably do one 15min stop on a trip like that. So 25min charge stop really doesn't make much difference :)
It's good to see that warmer temps make an EV more economical. I'd be interested in how the Model 3 does in these temps.
All that pratting about at the charger,in the open..and in Norwegian weather?
Im not agree whit your dates... i have an id3 56 and at 110km/h similar conditions of temperature i have a 16kwh/100. so its imposible that a 2000kg car has same consumption of a 77kwh.
"I have to please the Tesla people". Tesla People, the Apple Fanboys of cars. ;).
What`s the point of this test?? They all cover different distances (its in your chart that ID.3 made less 20 km then the TM3 LR, its not a simple toilet break is it?), with total different weather conditions (11 C with quite different of 2.ª for a electric car) and the more important is time they took? Was the traffic exactly the same? So autonomy and efficiency don't matter, because if they do, TM3 LR is the best of all 3...
I explain the point within the first 30 seconds. The point is to complete the route which is 615km the fastest. They alle cover the exact same distance, but report different distance because of how the different manufacturers calibrate their cars differently. I cannot control weather and temperature, can you? That's why the same cars will be tested several times in a year. I talk about the difference in temperature in the video, seems like you didn't even watch the whole thing since all you questions are answered in it. I also address some of your questions in my pinned comment at the top. I also talk about traffic, which is also another thing I cannot control. Before you do the same extensive testing of all these cars on a timed route like this you cannot just simply state that TM3 is the best. I don't make that claim about any car, the results speak for them selves. And until I get to test that car again in midler or warmer conditions, I cannot claim that either - even though that is probably is. Before it actually goes through the test again, the results are the results.
Cool performance by ID3; too small a car for me, personally, as would be Tesla 3, but a really great time. And good to see VW challenging Tesla on longer runs!
wheelbase on tm3 is 2.78 ID3 2.76
Not that mutch.
ID3 is higher and feels more spacious.
The tesla ha a frunk.
Depends on cost and needs i would say.
Would go for an Ioniq5 cause it will beat them both 😀 and its cheaper.
@@dennisbjergmadsen5163 Liking that and Kia EV6, which might be my new favourite (over Skoda Enyaq). It feels good that better EVs and certainly more choice is coming!
In Bjørn Nyland's Bana Box Test, Model 3 takes 6+1/17, while ID.3 takes 7/19 Banana Boxes, see his spread sheet - ID.3 is more spacious for the back passengers docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit#gid=0
This is the car I want. (Just because I can't afford the Taycan or e tronGT xD)
Me too!!!
Why is there so much difference in the distance? Between this and the Model 3 it is 20km which is with that speed is 12 minutes more and of course more charging. Hard to compare these results. I think you should try to use the same route and distance with every car....
I use exactly the same route with every car. Different cars count distance differently, that's just how it is and has always been. The Route is 615km according to google maps and has not changed.
My id3 always underreports the distance at 2% compared to google maps. Wir google maps I Drive 100 km, my car shows 97-98 km
@@KrisRifa Thank you, now I understand:)
The ID3 is a roomy, quiet, smooth, well built family hatchback car. The M3 is a ‘look at me’ car in a sports car tradition, where performance is typically the most important factor. Take your pick based on your preference.
Although tbf Elon Musk is also pretty obnoxious.
Best Electric car
Impressive of the id3, but i think Model 3 can beat this in these temp.
I agree!
LOL, TM3 in summer ???? wait and see !!!
What could it possibly do better? 5 minutes less charging time maybe because consumption is a bit lower. So what? The limit in this test is the norwegian speed limits and not the cars any more :). You'd have to do a test like this on german autobahn to see the true advantage of Model 3 which is lower air drag. At 100km/h the difference does not matter much, at 160 it does.
Hi Kris, your spreadsheet is rather inconsistent but I do appreciate the fact you did mention the LR Tesla Model 3 was done in -7 and the ID3 in current temps.
How can you have the Tesla travel much further, have much lower consumption but not be top of your list?? If you travelled the extra 20km in the ID3 to make the distance fair compared to the Tesla then the ID3 wouldn’t have completed in less time?
I think fairness where fairness is due and you either have to ensure the metrics are the same on your test runs. I think the people who look at the actual Data will still see the Tesla M3 even in much lower temps and the doing the further distance would win and be on top.
This is an observation and not a criticism so keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Edited - To add the fact I’ve just read your own comment further down the comments list explaining the distance. So I now appreciate the distance should technically be the same for all. 👍🏻
A TRUE TESLA KILLER!!!!!!!!
Just trolling...
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I don't like american cars. Hyundai Ioniq 5 is interesting, but maybe the "economic" is ID3.