Give this man $19,000 for summary of the rules. CAA that is 2,000 coffees. That’s six coffees a day for one year or one per day for six years. Bruce you are a treasure to the hobby.
ive complied and accuired my trust cert. but havent flown in over a year including several new toys still sitting in thier boxes, thanks bruce for still being here for us
I lost all my drones in a tragic boating accident. I will fly when and where I like. I fly safe, I fly within my limits, I don’t do dangerous stunts. I say bugger the authorities
I'm in Canada and I've completely stopped flying my quads because of all the regulations. Then on top of it all there are people who call the cops when you're just out having a good time in a park away from people. Not worth the hassle anymore.
If you fly sub250g in Canada you have the most relaxed regulations in the developed world. Spare a thought for Kiwis who can't fly *anywhere* without prior permission of the property-owner :-(
@@xjet That sucsk for you guys :( Nothing I own is under 250g though. My 1 meter by 1 meter quad is the most fun to fly. Just the 6S battery weighs like 4lbs. I'll think about your dumb government regulations when I dust my quads off in the basement.
@@Danieltaylorsoaringnz For someone who wants to remain 100 percent compliant with the regulations it can be quite difficult to negotiate the property permission rule and not being legally allowed to fly a tiny, completely harmless 25g drone using FPV goggles in your own back yard without a visual observer seems ludicrous to me.
I wish that if you were flying close to the roof height (shielded operation), you should still be able to fly your drone within 4km of airport. It's so convenient to use the drone to inspect the roof.
In Canada you can legally fly a sub250g drone (such as the DJI mini series) in such circumstances and I believe Australia is smart enough to realise that you can fly almost right up to the boundary of an airport so long as you're not on the approach or departure paths -- because manned aircraft, even at an airport, aren't supposed to be below 400 feet unless they're actually on approach or departure. It would also be great if CAA would look at the more than 10 years of historical data we now have that show (as acknowledged by Transport Canada in their rules) that smaller craft (sub250g) pose virtually zero threat to manned aircraft, person or beast. Sadly, CAA is effectively asserting that my 25g drone is just as dangerous as a 14.9Kg octocopter -- because the rules and restrictions for both are identical. Are they really serious about that?
The FAA rules on Remote ID have been rolled out, with widespread incorporation by the hobby drone community. A recent joint statement coming from the FBI, the FAA and a few other entities, about their determination that the drones invading New Jersey, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon and a few military installations are legal fliers, civilian and commercial jets, and a few stars. Nothing new there, but they the FAA admitted in the statement that they had not yet implemented a method for it to be used by local law enforcent agencies, there was no App, and no place to get it. They were pretty vague on what the plan was for making the RID system that they forced on us, at our expense, more than just extra weight, but they have asked for funding to do it.
Happy Christmas Bruce,,, very similar rules here in the UK ( and our governing body is also called the CAA. ( not fit for purpose either) As well as keeping VLOS, we are supposed to know the orientation of our drone AT ALL TIMES, ( useless rule if you’re trying to line a photograph / video up, or altering camera settings manually ) 😉😉
I've got agree the orientation rule here in the UK is pretty useless, if you only take off and fly vertically up to 10m or more, even when you know the direction the drone is facing, it's pretty damn hard to tell looking up from the ground.
Hi Bruce, WoW ! I guess I'm going to Canada, at least with my micros. Great shirt. Hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas and a great new year.
I’m a pilot of manned, transport-category aircraft (ie, airliner types). I know these rules seem mighty restrictive, and indeed some of them are in my opinion, such as needing permission to fly literally anywhere. Definitely there has been some over-cautiousness on the part of the CAA here. That being said, it’s honestly a little worrying to me sharing the sky with craft operated by people who do not require any licenses or ongoing proficiency assessment. The vast, vast majority of drone operators, professional or recreational, are good people who want to work and play alongside us - but I’ve had enough close calls with light aircraft, lasers and the like that I’m in favour of rules regulating drone activity also. Sadly, rules have to be written to the lowest common denominator. For every thousand recreational drone operators doing the right thing, there will be one gronk FPV’ing his way down my intake for a laugh - and that’s who the rules are written for. So to all the drone operators out there, recreational or professional, I’m pleased to share the skies with you. Welcome to the absolute raft of regulations that come with anything in aviation. For what it’s worth, there are literally thousands of pages of rules governing the operations I do daily, so I guess it could be worse? 😅
I agree and can understand why, 10 years ago when drones were new and there was little historical data on which to assess the risks, the regulations were quite restrictive. However, a decade later we have *plenty* of historical data to go on and we can clearly see that drones are not the danger we thought they might have been. The problem is that NZ's regulations have not been updated to reflect the *actual* risk and we're still unreasonably restricting the use of these craft based on unfounded fear. In respect to the competence of those flying drones I believe the 400ft AGL limit goes a long way towards addressing that -- providing at least a 100 ft vertical separation, especially where DJI drones are involved because this is enforced via the inbuilt geofencing. However, training, knowledge and competence doesn't necessarily remove the risk. Two of the very few evidenced instances of drones colliding with manned aircraft both involved highly trained and certified operators from within the Royal Canadia Mounted Police. In one instance they flew a large drone into their own helicopter and in another they flew a similarly large drone into a Cessna 172. In both cases the aircraft were damaged but in neither case was anyone killed or injured. Likewise, there are regular deaths involving trained, qualified and skilled manned aircraf that collide in the skies over our heads but to this day, not one single person has died as the result of the recreational use of multiritor drones anywhere in the world. This speaks to the intrinsic safety of these craft due to their low mass and speed -- something our regulations still ignore (unlike Canada's). As for that rogue FPVer -- we haven't had such an instance yet -- but plenty of manned aviators have killed themselves or others through reckless decision-making and idiotic behaviour. The reality is that idiots exist in all areas of human activity so none of us should throw stones perhaps.
Brilliant Bruce! This is such a good video should a new drone flier come across it prior to their first flight. Like you say, the right attitude to the objective for safety is all that matters, the draconian and out-dated rules are ridiculous.
It's quite restricting, especially in areas like auckland (lots of controlled airspace, roads owned by AT so not public property) but you can still fly in a lot of public parks.
Almost as if the new drones being seen are connected to something like a DJI drone ban.....get a bunch of hysteria going and watch the bills get passed
Summary 3 Bruce rules (which would work worldwide): 1. Don't fly above 400 feet. 2. Don't fly within 4km of an airport or helipad. 3. Don't endanger people or property. Summary CAANZ rules: I lost count, and interest. Kia ora from over the ditch.
In Canada, even the 400ft rule doesn't apply to sub250g drones. After rigorous testing with their much bigger drones and manned aircraft, the RCMP have determined that if their 8Kg drones won't bring down a helcopter or a C172 then the sub250g craft have no chance of doing so :-)
I have a "grassy field" available to me now but summer doesn't start here in NZ for another couple of weeks. It's been really windy for months now and we had driving rain (again) this this week. I think Bill and the boys will likely stay at the airport because of the convenience of a runway) so I'll be flying alone 😕
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
No, of course not because, as we know from experience, a tiny drone falling into a grassy field in the middle of nowhere is far more dangerous than a manned aircraft falling into a suburban area with houses, cars and playgrounds below. Sigh! Bureaucrats!
@@foobarf8766 That's because a one tonne Cessna 172 will cause an *awful* lot more damage than a 249g drone if it crashes into your back yard or hits your car (and such things *do* happen).
I used to fly a drone around at the paintball field I played at always below tree top Hight. Right next to a large air port. My drone flying would only be an issues AFTER a plane chopped down a few hundred pine trees, and at that point my drone would of been the least of the planes issues. Its a real shame with the lidar on some drones now days It would be fun to go around New Zealand and look for interesting things.
I am thinking of going for my part102, would I then have a lot more freedom with my flying. What do you think about the 102 cert and have you any advice for a poor retired guy on the cost of this and ways to save on the outlay? Thanks for your video's and the time and effort you put into this. I agree that the rules are well out of date and need changing. I am originally from the UK were we have much more freedom on how we fly. thank.
A Part 102 can be an expensive undertaking. You might find that joining Model Flying New Zealand and getting your "wings" to be a cheaper and quicker way to gain some extra entitlements under the regulations (such as being able to fly within 4Km of an airport/helipad).
But Bruce there are exceptions to the rules. The one I'll point out is when my farmer neighbor wants to apply chemicals to his orchard with a 600 hp 7,000 lb fixed wing aircraft built by Grumman. He is allowed to be at any altitude necessary to get the job done. I am a 3,000 hr fixed wing, 80 hr (soloed) rotor wing pilot and I know too low when I see it.
NZ sounds a lot like the US where common sense does not exist anymore regarding anything it seems . Issue we had here was they allowed people who claimed to be hobbyists sit with them in meetings and groups who did NOTHING for the Hobby or was willing to stand up and say these so called rules do NOT fit or work in the hobby Nope all we got was a few who wanted to become CBO's and get FAA recognition instead of standing for the hobby Those like the AMA, FPVFC, boot licking Vic Moss and sell out Kenji suck a hard wa" ( trying to be nice ) or whatever his name was now works for the FAA , who likes to claim all sorts of accomplishments and yet NONE of them were for the Hobbyist or the RC Aviation community as a whole were for commercial companies ONLY as they said recreational "EXCLUDED " In fact everyone so far has been a detriment to the hobby and helps NO one but the commercial entities that are now taking over the entire situation and will soon be operating in the same space as Hobbyists who will soon be forced either lower or OUT as a whole And the FAA has allowed NO HOBBYIST to set on any committee or on any FAA created group, they ALL are commercial company people .The ARC, UAS Detection and Mitigation Systems Aviation Rulemaking Committee AAAC , Advanced Aviation Advisory Committee ARAC , Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee ZERO Recreational/Hobby Advisory anything !!!!
On the subject of Rules - Do we have any more information (or even opinions) on the Drone show incident in the Orlando US ? My understanding is the company that ran the drones are Extremely strict in keeping with one of the more simpler of rules "NOT OVER PEOPLE" - which particularly makes sense when dealing with hundreds or thousands of drones - where the chance of failure is multiplied Substantially. So it seems odd that these units which were seen simply falling from the sky just went straight down, and managed to Injure people, including some kid that ended up with Open heart surgery... Oh but wait - that was the 1st story I saw. Subsequently when looking for more info, I found a report showing more ground footage, and they weren't just falling, there were at least 2 or 3 units seen zipping past, and at Great rates of knots. Indeed I would say faster than most commercial DJI drones I have flone. Ahhh - and the Kid who had open heart surgery...I saw a photo of the kid, he has a cut on his upper lip, and supposedly had damage to one of his heart valves requiring Open Heart Surgery. So - with the size of these drones, and the speed they were travelling, to be honest I would almost believe that to be possible - being a young kid, far less rib cage protection for the heart... But the photo showed no such surgery - not saying it wasn't a Pre-op photo...but it just makes the mind tick over a little ...and my point being - MEDIA... That's it nuf Said... MEDIA. You can keep fighting the CAA and the Councils Bruce - but Media are the killers of our Sport, Industry and hobby. That Company will be lucky to get out of this with remaining in business, as much as they have had an Extremely good reputation up to this point. Especially if They, and the FAA find it to be at fault. This incident is litterally that 1 Dog attack that just happened to be a small kids fault for taunting it...before owning Pitbulls becomes illegal in some states or countries...and/or you have 1 incident and as though it is hyperawareness kicking in the next thing you know Media outlets are shouting "And YET ANOTHER DOG ATTACK" - making us think we should euthanise All Dogs because it is a Plague. F*(&@# Media... @#*& Them all! (oh and include Waikato District Council in there too..!)
Yeah, that was a crazy situation and most of the other people I've spoken to suspect it was a firmware problem. Certainly the drones they're using are probably heavier and faster than they need to be for such applications. A friend of mine manufactures light-show drones in the UK and his are significantly lighter and slower than the ones used in the Orlando incident. I'm a little wary of the news reports on the condition of the boy who was hit. Remember this is the same news media that was telling us for weeks that the skies over New Jersey was filled with mystery drones just a little while ago. Those mystery drones were simply airliners but even when that was clearly proven, the media kept telling us that they were "unexplained". With this in mind, I remain a little skeptical about the extent of the boy's injuries -- especially when his family immediately started a crowdfunding appeal for donations, even though the drone company's insurance will be covering all the medical bills and costs.
@@xjet Yeah Very good point - saw the crowdfund thing, and yes I still sit in the 50/50 on that - because even if the Company's insurance cover initial treatment, there could be ongoing costs that they don't cover, because "Merika" - Yet yes - on the other hand "Merika" and "I tripped on a Micky D's pickle $100 Million please...!"
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Bruce. How do these regs apply to fixed wing models, slope soaring in particular? I used to fly back in the 90s and basically for slope flying it was "turn up and chuck a model off a hill/cliff", preferably on the windward side (dynamic soaring is the work of the dark lord). I'm looking at travelling the country quite extensively in retirement and just want to get a handle on the legal ramifications of stopping in the middle of nowhere and throwing a little converted foam chuck glider with 2 micro servos off a hill for a quick flight. Surely if the model was in its original free flight toy configuration there wouldn't be issue (or would there be now days?) Obviously follow all the safety "guidelines" but elsewise is it a bit "If a r/c glider flies in the high country and nobody sees it... did it really happen?".
Yep, there is no distinction made between traditional fixed-wing RC models and multirotor drones here in NZ. Sadly, the traditional hobby here didn't push back when the regs were proposed a decade ago so everyone's now treated the same. Your attitude of "if nobody saw anything, did anything actually happen?"is the one used by a lot of people I know. What is it they say? "When it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission then we won't bother asking permission"
Wish I'd seen this a few weeks ago before I'd read the rules and found airshare. All I want to do is take some old foamies for a spin at a local park/school. But apparently some of them have become too dangerous to fly since they were last flown (a few years ago). (The council have banned gliders greater than 1.5m.) Does the Ministry of Education have a policy on school field usage, or is it down to the individual school?
Unfortunately it seems to be down to the individual schools and they are extremely risk-averse these days. Nobody wants to be held responsible if someone gets hurt 😞
So just to be a little bit nit picky about a couple of points... It's 120m above ground level - so if you are on the top of a mountain like (away from an aerodrome) at 1,470 m then it would be 1,470 m plus 120 m. DJI drones don't limit it to 120m I'm not sure of the full history of it, because I only just got my second drone, in a Boxing day sale, but in the latest firmware update the DJI Fly App allows you to increase the max height past 120m (whether or not you should of course is the point of the video). Also as of Novemember 2024 DOC have made it much easier to get a permit. It's still pretty pricy but for $180 for 1 year you can get a recreational permit for "Green" zone land which covers pretty much anything that isn't "special" in some way - so for example I checked all of the Remutakas, Tararua and Pureora forest are Green, but things like Kapiti Island is "Red".
This video is aimed at someone who's just got a drone so I wanted to keep things as simple as possible so didn't go into detail about AGL etc. As for DOC... having to pay for the right to fly over *public* land is interesting isn't it? Perhaps it's a sign of the future when any use of the public airspace will involve a fee. I also feel for tourists who would have to know this in advance and be sure to lodge their request in sufficient time before their arrival.
Crazy thing is that you can fly a 135gm DJI Neo as well as a 25kg drone with no licence as long as it's not for commercial use! The only thing you must have is that if the drone is between 15kg and 25kg, someone to certify that it's air worthy.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years, Xjet! Great rules break down, Sir. You'll make a wonderful shill for the CAA some day 😊 That outro with footage of you riding a motocross bike over jumps, while your dji follows you is fantastic! So glad you're picking up the exciting hobby of competetive MotoCross, since RC flying has become too "dangerous" and requires heavy govt regulations. 😂 G'day from the east coast of the US! Where drones are more terrifying than our ever expanding national debt! 👍
They sure are tough. CAA spent THREE MONTHS investigating my flying after they saw that I'd flown a tiny (20g) drone in my own back-yard using FPV goggles without a visual observer. After that extensive investigation they decided that although I *had* broken the visual line of sight rule that "it was not in the public interest to prosecute". I think what they meant was "we would be laughed out of court if we tried". This shows that the rules are decidedly out of date and need updating to reflect the dramatic changes in technology and the virtually zero risk posed by very small drones (as acknowledged by Transport Canada's rules).
Interesting video, but a few things wrong and missed. The CCA rules make more sense if you know the following: NZ politicians are generally morons, they rarely care about or check facts before mouthing off or making decisions. The CCA has some smart people but they are completely hamstrung. There are a very limited number of things they can say to their political overlords without being fired. Most airspace in NZ is not owned by the King. Land is owned from the earths centre to the edge of atmosphere by the owner. This is almost unique compared to other countries. Strictly speaking the The King (via the CCA) has a duty to oversee and ensure the right of navigation in the air. This is an ad hoc extension to the water navigation customary rights. The navigation right applies only to people . Unmanned drones are outside the general navigation right so the CCA rules only apply to drones only over land owned by the crown or a government agency. Manned aircraft cannot legally fly below 2000ft without permission of the landowner. This rule is generally ignored by everybody but exists nevertheless. This rule being ignored will cause a huge legal mess in the case of interactions between lawfully operated drones and illegally operated manned aircraft. Flying a drone over private property without permission in NZ is a complete no-no. If your drone crosses into a property you are immediately committing trespass. Your drone immediately becomes the property of the landowner. They can do as they please with it and you have no legal recourse. In rural areas drones are commonly used by criminals (stock thieves, poachers etc.) more landowners are getting anti drone systems so be careful and get permission flying more than a few K’s out of town. On the upside quite a lot of landowners are drone enthusiasts and many rural properties are huge. It is a shame that there is no database of airspace owners so that so people can find places to fly safely and lawfully.
There's way more international tourists this summer flying small drones than I've seen before, in places and manners that are definitely against the rules according to CAA. I expect to see new preachy signs in multiple languages about "being aware of the rules" and threatening fines sprouting up everywhere tourists might visit and want to fly one
The spotter (visual observer) rule seems common throughout the developed world despite the death toll associated with the recreational use of multirotor drones remaining stubbornly at zero.
My drone says now I’m in a low fly zone where I live so limited to 30meters distance rendering it as much as useless yet nothing online about any such Mapua low fly zone a helicopter pilot told I am in (not near any airport or helipad)
I've sent online forms to my local council requesting permission to fly in parks. They have never replied so I've just been flying there. No issues, people come for a look see and a chat. Even let some people have a little turn.
Thanks Bruce for speaking out the truth, you said that they are trying to destroy the hobby, you were spot on, so many have quit flying because of all these new bs rules. Happy New Year 👍💪✌
Having been very temped to bat drones out of the sky at the Church of the Good Shepherd and the nearby shoreline of Lake Tekapo thanks to a busload of tourists perhaps they can be seized at the border. 😀 Dangerous and irritating. As a content creator I’ve been tempted but concluded it’s not worth the hassle. Good summary BTW . Are things different for commercial operators ?
Commercial operators are granted more lattitude and excused somewhat from the property permission rule -- however gaining such a certification is expensive.
A very fair summary i recon ! And i really like the Canadian two rules rule ....... Oh for more uncommon sence i will pray ! Awesome job XJet ! ❤😉🙃😎 NZ
Tim has moved to Australia and I'm forbidden (by the council) to film on their property (they own the airfield) so sadly that's not going to happen. Yes, the South Waikato District Council really do hate the fact that people were regularly seen to be having fun with RC models at their airfield by millions via this RUclips channel. Go figure.
As far as CAA is concerned, only those airfields or a helipads registered with the CAA matter. Check that map on the Airshare website (linked in the description) to see if there are any near you. A small top-dressing strip on a farmer's field is unlikely to be registered so won't matter but it pays to check and be sure.
Are you able to compile the rules into a "common sense" version and drop that video and maybe a PDF (with the legislation / laws referenced) so that someone like myself (never owned a drone and only flown one for a short amount of time under strict supervision can understand & reference them if need be - i also feel that the local police officers who will inevitably respond will also be uneducated on this stuff. - signed: A NZ guy who wants to fly drones but doesn't want to become a lawyer to do so
Although we abide by most common sense rules , we dont abide by them all. Through out human histories if it wasnt for a lot of certain people that hadnt broken certain rules that were neuroticly out of touch with the days reality, we wouldnt have evolved breaking through curtain ceilings . I call my drone Galileo!
Something interesting about NZ drone rules is that they are all about safety and not about privacy. I kind of like that because otherwise things could get fuzzy and any flight could be annoying. Flying in auckland is a bit stink because most of it is controlled airspace where you can't fly.
Yes, it is not the purview of airspace regulations to protect anyone's privacy -- that's the job of the Privacy Act. We don't want or need to have a doubling up of laws/rules/regulations.
You got it, be polite. 120m is quite height really. The LOS rule is just silly re FPV glad you agree, isn't a pilot flying FPV? Perhaps they should have an observer? I can understand the hate, I try and educate the public that my FPV freestyle view is not crash, not spy and be polite. Esp. when kids are involved, dogs love them :)
I have a spray drone the size of a small car. I fly it over my own property and simply ignore the rules. It's the kiwi way, anywhere rules can't be enforced we just ignore them.
Yep, CAA UK has learned from many years of data that undeniably proves how (especially sub 250g craft) drones are the safest form of aviation we've ever had. CAA New Zealand is still living in the dark ages by comparison and drone/RC flyers suffer as a result.
@@xjet from my time in New Zealand, I always heard the "New Zealand is 20 years behind the UK". In many ways that isn't a bad thing! Hope they get some improvement soon! Especially as I would like to fly out there (although I know one land owner).
although i fly safe and away from populated areas .im not folowing any rules as i am not registered as a pilot and i fly toy drones , not used for commercial purposes , good luck trying to fine me ,, faa has no jurisdiction i do not have a contract with that corporation , nor do i have any contract with any government or state
And to think the the DJI Phantom boys done this with their pranks: flying over nude beaches, flying over neighbors yard peeping on the girl laying out, flying into airspace C, B,D or E, etc. Punk kids did this to the hobby. And now look at it.
There are idiots in all fields of human endeavour and drone flying is no different. While it's true that, because they're so easy to fly and require little investment of time and effort to get in the air, the DJI-type drone is more likely to be used by such idiots, I've found that most DJI-type drone flyers are responsible types who don't engage in stupid activities. Remember, there are *millions* of DJI drones out there but only a handful of reported instances of agregious idiocy.
I find that it's easier to ask for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission. We are free beings, not controlled animals. Common sense and a sense of adventure is a very human trait. 😊
I'm a victim of the rules of which I speak I'm afraid. Because this town has both a helipad and an airport a huge area is effectively a "no-fly zone" for me now. That's why I illegally fly a 25g drone FPV in my back yard without a visual observer. However, I have located a small grassy field and obtained permission from the owner to fly over it so there will be flying videos this summer.
Unfortunately - common sense isn't so common, these days! - - - As you say, the rules are ridiculous - you can fly a motorbike at the side of an airport, but you can't chase the biker with a copter! - - - - -All the best, Bruce. Don't get sunburned down that end of the globe.
No risk of getting sunburnt yet... our summer doesn't really start for another week or two. Up until now we've had wind and rain. This morning it was 6 degrees!
In short let’s make it so hard, you can’t use a drone without breaking the rules. Resulting in 90% of public, just break the rules how they going to catch you.
Unfortunately that's pretty much the attitude adopted by an increasing number of people flying drones in NZ. If you have rules that are too hard (or unreasonable) to comply with people just say "what the hell" and do whatever they want. Good rules are an effective balance of freedoms and control. NZ's rules are a decade out of date and, in my honest opinion, some of that balance has been lost.
I sold all my RC equipment, thanks to all the rules here in Europe, it has taken all the fun out of the hobby, I am member of a rc club and many members have stoped flying because of the new rules and the laast 2 years no new people have joined the club. I have followed your channel for many years, because of the fun and chatter at the airfield, now its all about the rules, I am sorry to say which becomes very boring
I totally agree and I am very sad that local politicians and bureaucrats have effectively made it impossible for me to continue creating those fun videos. I risk being tresspassed and even arrested if I make such videos now. It seems we really do have a "fun police" here in New Zealand 😞
what about the regulator of regulations department of NZ? could they de-regulate for common sense? or are they only setup to do de-regulation for profit? :D
Yes, education is essential (hence this video) but we have to acknowledge that there will always be ignorant people and there will always be idiots. From that perspective it is extremely lucky that recreationally flown drones have proven to be the safest branch of aviation we've ever had and that never, in the entire history of mankind, anywhere on the planet, has anyone died as the result of the recreational use of a multirotor drone -- despite the ignorant and the idiots.
We are over regulated where it has affected the productivity of the economy. It has created a situation where infrastructure is failing. It's coming to the point only big business can comply then it costs a fortune for anything to be manufactured. You only have to see the lay off staff and the closure of business in the central North Island 57 power companies and you wonder why power costs so much. You cannot fix stupidity ! Well pointed out Bruce.
Its people's duty to disobey unjust laws/rules reasonably. That is part of the democracy actually. We were not asked if rules are good or not, they just expect from us to follow them. Who is the moral judge? And lets face it drones hobby will sadly not have more reasonable regulations anytime soon. It became like dirtbike hobby. Pretty much illegal activity - similar to drones, bikes are loud, not certified, etc. Just like with most of things - lovers gonna love haters gonna hate, relaxed regulations wont change that - Karens gonna be Karens. Its not our fault, hobby has been self policing just fine for years. But i admit my brains got messed up since overregulation happened on what essentionaly are 'toys' and we keep doing waaay more dangerous activities and jobs. I started realizing that i failed my life profession. Been educating for mechanical technician. Been never smoking, drinking, boycotting class hours. Many others had such bad addictions. Was unemployed and suffered depression in bed for 2 years (2020-2022) mostly because how dystopian and unrealistic these drone regulations are. Started thinking about commiting... U know what. Then was trying hard to find motivation to get my arse off and getting a job. FPV videos helped me find motivation, so i got my dream job a year ago 👌. Sadly regulations drama news have caused me uncurable wound from childhood influencing my selfconfidence and many other things. Im scared to fly my RC planes. They keep collecting dust. I'll keep flying by my own common sense rules. If hobby gets taken away from me then i will have to leave my industry related job. My moral compas decision, i don't have influence on. Then what would happen is because lack of motivation wouldn't even try getting any job at all, then because pressure from family members would have to commit... i guess. Does our country really want that? I hope no. Stay positive, fly safe, fly free 💪👍
I like to fly the farm countryside. If a house comes along, I cut to the side so that even if I go dark, the worth that'll happen is their field has a small hole in it and I get a busted frame. Few will even know that something is up there at 350 feet.
If anybody is watching this from the United States, we fly wherever the hell we want. I was in crop Fields and nobody hassles us. I don’t know what all this commotion here is in New Zealand but it has to stop. I’m gonna jump on an airplane and come over there and I’m gonna fight the battle with you Bruce
I used to fly my drone to help with my anxiety and depression, it was very relaxing. Now it's the total opposite and I have to avoid flying to help with those things. My drone has been hung on the wall for about a year and I only fly in sim now. Not just because of the public perception on drones, but the rules and regulations put in place have pushed me out. UK CAA requires you to have a spotter if you fly FPV, and I flew FPV, and that the spotter must be located directly next to the pilot and must not use visual aids (ie: binoculars) regardless of the drone size or weight. Oh, and because it's FPV it has a camera, so you instantly require registration regardless of the weight.
Yes, regulators and politicians often talk about the "risks' associated with drones but they ignore the very clear and important benefits -- even to mental health. I know a surprising number of folk to who a drone is an important part of the way they manage their mental health. When that is taken from them on the trumped-up premise of "safety" then the world becomes a broken place.
I'm a traditional rc pilot since late 1970s. I also own and fly a real plane. Never owned a drone. All you defiant irresponsible drone pilots brought this on yourselves. Traditional rc pilots were safe for DECADES but all you drone idiots couldn't be bothered to foster a community of safety and respect. This channel is particularly bad at encouraging stupid defiant behavior because it gets views and clicks. Anyone reading this comment ask yourself if Bruce really cares about the drone hobby or his youtube channel. I understand being popular on the internet I have another channel with millions of views and one of my videos #1 trending on the entire internet. My take is that Bruce is chasing internet attention and willing to help destroy a lovely hobby towards that end.
You should be focusing your attention on the regulators who have chosen to draw no distinction between the traditional hobby of flying RC planes and drones. It is because the traditional hobby has failed to stand up for itself and protect its own interests that it has been lumped in with "drones". Don't blame drone flyers for the traditional hobby's laziness and unwillingness to get off its arse and protect its own interests. It's always easier to blame someone else for your problems eh?
And by the way... the "traditional hobby" has accounted for a number of deaths but not one single person has died as the result of the recreational use of multirotor drones so don't be too quick to claim "RC pilots were safe for DECADES" because the evidence favours the drone flyers.
Yeah fair comment, I fly here in NZ under part 101 and there are some errors in the video, or misinterpretions of rules to tell some civil libertarian story: can fly in your back yard within 4km if it's a shielded operation no need for ATC clearance. the CAA are clear and have videos about it: ruclips.net/video/gQBojUn9M6c/видео.html
@@xjet "distinction between traditional rc hobby and drones" Hmmm... so you're basically admitting there IS a fundamental difference in behavior between idiot drone pilots and responsible traditional rc pilots then? And the problem for me personally is to make regulators aware of this difference? Not that we should blame irresponsible drone pilots in the first place? The fundamental point here is that there should be NO difference between the two communities. The drone pilots should be as vigilant and respectful as the traditional rc pilots but that is obviously out of the question as far as you're concerned. And don't give me your bullshit about which community is statistically safer. Full size aircraft have encountered many many more drones in the last few years than traditional rc models going back decades. As it stands today there is much greater threat for injury or death from a drone hitting full size aircraft just by sheer numbers and the relative lack of skill required to fly a drone and you know it. Any moron can buy a drone ready to fly and cause risk without implementation of digital no-fly zones and remote id and so here we are. But we both know what you're really all about is youtube clicks and attention.
Im sorry to say this, but rules are for suckers, Im not even insured! I just fly in places where no one can mind if I crash and I never fly in dry conditions or in fields where there is still crops. What are you going to do :D ? Ban me from having fun? Try! just try, you cannot distinguish my foamie from a seagull on cocaine anyways.
Drone regulation is only exposing the weaknesses of their power. Wow who knew that an Alibaba frame flying around the airport has the power to stop all travel in New Zealand.
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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Bruce : )
Give this man $19,000 for summary of the rules. CAA that is 2,000 coffees. That’s six coffees a day for one year or one per day for six years. Bruce you are a treasure to the hobby.
If you are an inexperienced girl, then it is easier to get permission to sail an expensive NZ navy boat onto a reef.
In Germany we do not need an observer(spotter) for fpv flying up to a height of 30m.
Bruce you are truly an inspiration and promoter of safety. Thank you
Bruce, you are the best!
They killed this hobby. I haven't flown my RC for years.
An excellent intro and overview!
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ive complied and accuired my trust cert. but havent flown in over a year including several new toys still sitting in thier boxes, thanks bruce for still being here for us
99.98% of kiwis don't give a hoot about those rules. Tell CAA to get real.
Beware Karens.
Belated Merry Christmas & Happy New Year Bruce! Keep up the good work buddy. 😁
LOL that was a santa list , five pages of rules is nuts
I lost all my drones in a tragic boating accident. I will fly when and where I like. I fly safe, I fly within my limits, I don’t do dangerous stunts. I say bugger the authorities
Theyre toys
Most of them,yes.@@davefoord1259
@@davefoord1259🤣🤣🤣keep up
I'm in Canada and I've completely stopped flying my quads because of all the regulations. Then on top of it all there are people who call the cops when you're just out having a good time in a park away from people. Not worth the hassle anymore.
If you fly sub250g in Canada you have the most relaxed regulations in the developed world. Spare a thought for Kiwis who can't fly *anywhere* without prior permission of the property-owner :-(
@@xjet That sucsk for you guys :( Nothing I own is under 250g though. My 1 meter by 1 meter quad is the most fun to fly. Just the 6S battery weighs like 4lbs. I'll think about your dumb government regulations when I dust my quads off in the basement.
I's it that bad
@@Danieltaylorsoaringnz For someone who wants to remain 100 percent compliant with the regulations it can be quite difficult to negotiate the property permission rule and not being legally allowed to fly a tiny, completely harmless 25g drone using FPV goggles in your own back yard without a visual observer seems ludicrous to me.
I wish that if you were flying close to the roof height (shielded operation), you should still be able to fly your drone within 4km of airport. It's so convenient to use the drone to inspect the roof.
tell me about it, I live just over 1.5K from the nearest airfield
In Canada you can legally fly a sub250g drone (such as the DJI mini series) in such circumstances and I believe Australia is smart enough to realise that you can fly almost right up to the boundary of an airport so long as you're not on the approach or departure paths -- because manned aircraft, even at an airport, aren't supposed to be below 400 feet unless they're actually on approach or departure.
It would also be great if CAA would look at the more than 10 years of historical data we now have that show (as acknowledged by Transport Canada in their rules) that smaller craft (sub250g) pose virtually zero threat to manned aircraft, person or beast. Sadly, CAA is effectively asserting that my 25g drone is just as dangerous as a 14.9Kg octocopter -- because the rules and restrictions for both are identical. Are they really serious about that?
The FAA rules on Remote ID have been rolled out, with widespread incorporation by the hobby drone community. A recent joint statement coming from the FBI, the FAA and a few other entities, about their determination that the drones invading New Jersey, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon and a few military installations are legal fliers, civilian and commercial jets, and a few stars. Nothing new there, but they the FAA admitted in the statement that they had not yet implemented a method for it to be used by local law enforcent agencies, there was no App, and no place to get it. They were pretty vague on what the plan was for making the RID system that they forced on us, at our expense, more than just extra weight, but they have asked for funding to do it.
Yes, I have a video in edit about the big flop that RID has been.
this is a great video, I'm definitly going to buy an fpv drone in the future once I have enough money to not worry about living and eating.
Happy holidays Bruce and a safe and happy New Year for you and yours.
FPV flight is like being a bird, where's all their licences?
Happy Christmas Bruce,,, very similar rules here in the UK ( and our governing body is also called the CAA. ( not fit for purpose either) As well as keeping VLOS, we are supposed to know the orientation of our drone AT ALL TIMES, ( useless rule if you’re trying to line a photograph / video up, or altering camera settings manually ) 😉😉
I've got agree the orientation rule here in the UK is pretty useless, if you only take off and fly vertically up to 10m or more, even when you know the direction the drone is facing, it's pretty damn hard to tell looking up from the ground.
Hi Bruce, WoW ! I guess I'm going to Canada, at least with my micros. Great shirt. Hope you and your family had a wonderful Christmas and a great new year.
Bruce, you are fighting windmills!
Given the amount of wind we've had here recently, that's probably not a bad thing 🙂\
I’m a pilot of manned, transport-category aircraft (ie, airliner types). I know these rules seem mighty restrictive, and indeed some of them are in my opinion, such as needing permission to fly literally anywhere. Definitely there has been some over-cautiousness on the part of the CAA here.
That being said, it’s honestly a little worrying to me sharing the sky with craft operated by people who do not require any licenses or ongoing proficiency assessment. The vast, vast majority of drone operators, professional or recreational, are good people who want to work and play alongside us - but I’ve had enough close calls with light aircraft, lasers and the like that I’m in favour of rules regulating drone activity also.
Sadly, rules have to be written to the lowest common denominator. For every thousand recreational drone operators doing the right thing, there will be one gronk FPV’ing his way down my intake for a laugh - and that’s who the rules are written for.
So to all the drone operators out there, recreational or professional, I’m pleased to share the skies with you. Welcome to the absolute raft of regulations that come with anything in aviation. For what it’s worth, there are literally thousands of pages of rules governing the operations I do daily, so I guess it could be worse? 😅
I agree and can understand why, 10 years ago when drones were new and there was little historical data on which to assess the risks, the regulations were quite restrictive. However, a decade later we have *plenty* of historical data to go on and we can clearly see that drones are not the danger we thought they might have been. The problem is that NZ's regulations have not been updated to reflect the *actual* risk and we're still unreasonably restricting the use of these craft based on unfounded fear.
In respect to the competence of those flying drones I believe the 400ft AGL limit goes a long way towards addressing that -- providing at least a 100 ft vertical separation, especially where DJI drones are involved because this is enforced via the inbuilt geofencing.
However, training, knowledge and competence doesn't necessarily remove the risk. Two of the very few evidenced instances of drones colliding with manned aircraft both involved highly trained and certified operators from within the Royal Canadia Mounted Police. In one instance they flew a large drone into their own helicopter and in another they flew a similarly large drone into a Cessna 172. In both cases the aircraft were damaged but in neither case was anyone killed or injured.
Likewise, there are regular deaths involving trained, qualified and skilled manned aircraf that collide in the skies over our heads but to this day, not one single person has died as the result of the recreational use of multiritor drones anywhere in the world. This speaks to the intrinsic safety of these craft due to their low mass and speed -- something our regulations still ignore (unlike Canada's).
As for that rogue FPVer -- we haven't had such an instance yet -- but plenty of manned aviators have killed themselves or others through reckless decision-making and idiotic behaviour. The reality is that idiots exist in all areas of human activity so none of us should throw stones perhaps.
Brilliant Bruce! This is such a good video should a new drone flier come across it prior to their first flight. Like you say, the right attitude to the objective for safety is all that matters, the draconian and out-dated rules are ridiculous.
It's quite restricting, especially in areas like auckland (lots of controlled airspace, roads owned by AT so not public property) but you can still fly in a lot of public parks.
With the recent drone hysteria in the States, the FAA will, especially after January 20th, add more regulations.
Almost as if the new drones being seen are connected to something like a DJI drone ban.....get a bunch of hysteria going and watch the bills get passed
Summary 3 Bruce rules (which would work worldwide): 1. Don't fly above 400 feet. 2. Don't fly within 4km of an airport or helipad. 3. Don't endanger people or property. Summary CAANZ rules: I lost count, and interest. Kia ora from over the ditch.
In Canada, even the 400ft rule doesn't apply to sub250g drones. After rigorous testing with their much bigger drones and manned aircraft, the RCMP have determined that if their 8Kg drones won't bring down a helcopter or a C172 then the sub250g craft have no chance of doing so :-)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 🎉
Refreshing video Bruce, very well explained from a very knowledgeable position, cheers and Happy New Year 👍
Thank you Bruce!! Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 bud and Happy New year 🥂
I only have TWO rules...
(1) don't be a idiot.
(2) have fun.
You'd have to be an idiot not to have fun with a drone 🙂
Nice Calm Rant and info Bruce....👍👍👍
Yeah they are nuts in Kiwi land...
Lost in paperwork there Bruce😂 they really have no idea there do they.
Is there any update on that possible area you and the boys can fly?
I have a "grassy field" available to me now but summer doesn't start here in NZ for another couple of weeks. It's been really windy for months now and we had driving rain (again) this this week. I think Bill and the boys will likely stay at the airport because of the convenience of a runway) so I'll be flying alone 😕
Awesome video m,ate good advise
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?
Oh my, I wonder if PPL holders have to ask for permission to fly over every single property across the country....
No, of course not because, as we know from experience, a tiny drone falling into a grassy field in the middle of nowhere is far more dangerous than a manned aircraft falling into a suburban area with houses, cars and playgrounds below. Sigh! Bureaucrats!
PPL holders and aero clubs have insurance mate, idiots with drones do not
@@foobarf8766 That's because a one tonne Cessna 172 will cause an *awful* lot more damage than a 249g drone if it crashes into your back yard or hits your car (and such things *do* happen).
Thank You!
I used to fly a drone around at the paintball field I played at always below tree top Hight. Right next to a large air port. My drone flying would only be an issues AFTER a plane chopped down a few hundred pine trees, and at that point my drone would of been the least of the planes issues.
Its a real shame with the lidar on some drones now days It would be fun to go around New Zealand and look for interesting things.
merry Christmas and happy new year best wishes to you and your family 👍👍
I am thinking of going for my part102, would I then have a lot more freedom with my flying. What do you think about the 102 cert and have you any advice for a poor retired guy on the cost of this and ways to save on the outlay? Thanks for your video's and the time and effort you put into this. I agree that the rules are well out of date and need changing. I am originally from the UK were we have much more freedom on how we fly. thank.
A Part 102 can be an expensive undertaking. You might find that joining Model Flying New Zealand and getting your "wings" to be a cheaper and quicker way to gain some extra entitlements under the regulations (such as being able to fly within 4Km of an airport/helipad).
But Bruce there are exceptions to the rules. The one I'll point out is when my farmer neighbor wants to apply chemicals to his orchard with a 600 hp 7,000 lb fixed wing aircraft built by Grumman. He is allowed to be at any altitude necessary to get the job done. I am a 3,000 hr fixed wing, 80 hr (soloed) rotor wing pilot and I know too low when I see it.
NZ sounds a lot like the US where common sense does not exist anymore regarding anything it seems .
Issue we had here was they allowed people who claimed to be hobbyists sit with them in meetings and groups who did NOTHING for the Hobby or was willing to stand up and say these so called rules do NOT fit or work in the hobby
Nope all we got was a few who wanted to become CBO's and get FAA recognition instead of standing for the hobby
Those like the AMA, FPVFC, boot licking Vic Moss and sell out Kenji suck a hard wa" ( trying to be nice ) or whatever his name was now works for the FAA , who likes to claim all sorts of accomplishments and yet NONE of them were for the Hobbyist or the RC Aviation community as a whole were for commercial companies ONLY as they said recreational "EXCLUDED "
In fact everyone so far has been a detriment to the hobby and helps NO one but the commercial entities that are now taking over the entire situation and will soon be operating in the same space as Hobbyists who will soon be forced either lower or OUT as a whole
And the FAA has allowed NO HOBBYIST to set on any committee or on any FAA created group, they ALL are commercial company people .The ARC, UAS Detection and Mitigation Systems Aviation Rulemaking Committee
AAAC , Advanced Aviation Advisory Committee
ARAC , Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee
ZERO Recreational/Hobby Advisory anything !!!!
Please don't compare an ACTUAL Free Country with the u.s.
The u.s. would have to be CIVILISED for any comparison with nz.
On the subject of Rules - Do we have any more information (or even opinions) on the Drone show incident in the Orlando US ? My understanding is the company that ran the drones are Extremely strict in keeping with one of the more simpler of rules "NOT OVER PEOPLE" - which particularly makes sense when dealing with hundreds or thousands of drones - where the chance of failure is multiplied Substantially. So it seems odd that these units which were seen simply falling from the sky just went straight down, and managed to Injure people, including some kid that ended up with Open heart surgery...
Oh but wait - that was the 1st story I saw. Subsequently when looking for more info, I found a report showing more ground footage, and they weren't just falling, there were at least 2 or 3 units seen zipping past, and at Great rates of knots. Indeed I would say faster than most commercial DJI drones I have flone.
Ahhh - and the Kid who had open heart surgery...I saw a photo of the kid, he has a cut on his upper lip, and supposedly had damage to one of his heart valves requiring Open Heart Surgery. So - with the size of these drones, and the speed they were travelling, to be honest I would almost believe that to be possible - being a young kid, far less rib cage protection for the heart...
But the photo showed no such surgery - not saying it wasn't a Pre-op photo...but it just makes the mind tick over a little
...and my point being - MEDIA... That's it nuf Said... MEDIA. You can keep fighting the CAA and the Councils Bruce - but Media are the killers of our Sport, Industry and hobby.
That Company will be lucky to get out of this with remaining in business, as much as they have had an Extremely good reputation up to this point. Especially if They, and the FAA find it to be at fault.
This incident is litterally that 1 Dog attack that just happened to be a small kids fault for taunting it...before owning Pitbulls becomes illegal in some states or countries...and/or you have 1 incident and as though it is hyperawareness kicking in the next thing you know Media outlets are shouting "And YET ANOTHER DOG ATTACK" - making us think we should euthanise All Dogs because it is a Plague. F*(&@# Media... @#*& Them all! (oh and include Waikato District Council in there too..!)
Yeah, that was a crazy situation and most of the other people I've spoken to suspect it was a firmware problem. Certainly the drones they're using are probably heavier and faster than they need to be for such applications. A friend of mine manufactures light-show drones in the UK and his are significantly lighter and slower than the ones used in the Orlando incident.
I'm a little wary of the news reports on the condition of the boy who was hit. Remember this is the same news media that was telling us for weeks that the skies over New Jersey was filled with mystery drones just a little while ago. Those mystery drones were simply airliners but even when that was clearly proven, the media kept telling us that they were "unexplained". With this in mind, I remain a little skeptical about the extent of the boy's injuries -- especially when his family immediately started a crowdfunding appeal for donations, even though the drone company's insurance will be covering all the medical bills and costs.
@@xjet Yeah Very good point - saw the crowdfund thing, and yes I still sit in the 50/50 on that - because even if the Company's insurance cover initial treatment, there could be ongoing costs that they don't cover, because "Merika" - Yet yes - on the other hand "Merika" and "I tripped on a Micky D's pickle $100 Million please...!"
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Bruce. How do these regs apply to fixed wing models, slope soaring in particular? I used to fly back in the 90s and basically for slope flying it was "turn up and chuck a model off a hill/cliff", preferably on the windward side (dynamic soaring is the work of the dark lord).
I'm looking at travelling the country quite extensively in retirement and just want to get a handle on the legal ramifications of stopping in the middle of nowhere and throwing a little converted foam chuck glider with 2 micro servos off a hill for a quick flight. Surely if the model was in its original free flight toy configuration there wouldn't be issue (or would there be now days?)
Obviously follow all the safety "guidelines" but elsewise is it a bit "If a r/c glider flies in the high country and nobody sees it... did it really happen?".
Yep, there is no distinction made between traditional fixed-wing RC models and multirotor drones here in NZ. Sadly, the traditional hobby here didn't push back when the regs were proposed a decade ago so everyone's now treated the same.
Your attitude of "if nobody saw anything, did anything actually happen?"is the one used by a lot of people I know. What is it they say? "When it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission then we won't bother asking permission"
Wish I'd seen this a few weeks ago before I'd read the rules and found airshare. All I want to do is take some old foamies for a spin at a local park/school. But apparently some of them have become too dangerous to fly since they were last flown (a few years ago). (The council have banned gliders greater than 1.5m.)
Does the Ministry of Education have a policy on school field usage, or is it down to the individual school?
Unfortunately it seems to be down to the individual schools and they are extremely risk-averse these days. Nobody wants to be held responsible if someone gets hurt 😞
So just to be a little bit nit picky about a couple of points... It's 120m above ground level - so if you are on the top of a mountain like (away from an aerodrome) at 1,470 m then it would be 1,470 m plus 120 m. DJI drones don't limit it to 120m I'm not sure of the full history of it, because I only just got my second drone, in a Boxing day sale, but in the latest firmware update the DJI Fly App allows you to increase the max height past 120m (whether or not you should of course is the point of the video). Also as of Novemember 2024 DOC have made it much easier to get a permit. It's still pretty pricy but for $180 for 1 year you can get a recreational permit for "Green" zone land which covers pretty much anything that isn't "special" in some way - so for example I checked all of the Remutakas, Tararua and Pureora forest are Green, but things like Kapiti Island is "Red".
This video is aimed at someone who's just got a drone so I wanted to keep things as simple as possible so didn't go into detail about AGL etc. As for DOC... having to pay for the right to fly over *public* land is interesting isn't it? Perhaps it's a sign of the future when any use of the public airspace will involve a fee. I also feel for tourists who would have to know this in advance and be sure to lodge their request in sufficient time before their arrival.
Crazy thing is that you can fly a 135gm DJI Neo as well as a 25kg drone with no licence as long as it's not for commercial use! The only thing you must have is that if the drone is between 15kg and 25kg, someone to certify that it's air worthy.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years, Xjet!
Great rules break down, Sir. You'll make a wonderful shill for the CAA some day 😊
That outro with footage of you riding a motocross bike over jumps, while your dji follows you is fantastic! So glad you're picking up the exciting hobby of competetive MotoCross, since RC flying has become too "dangerous" and requires heavy govt regulations. 😂
G'day from the east coast of the US!
Where drones are more terrifying than our ever expanding national debt! 👍
lol jumbo jet in your backyard....wow. so tough rules in NZ
They sure are tough. CAA spent THREE MONTHS investigating my flying after they saw that I'd flown a tiny (20g) drone in my own back-yard using FPV goggles without a visual observer. After that extensive investigation they decided that although I *had* broken the visual line of sight rule that "it was not in the public interest to prosecute". I think what they meant was "we would be laughed out of court if we tried". This shows that the rules are decidedly out of date and need updating to reflect the dramatic changes in technology and the virtually zero risk posed by very small drones (as acknowledged by Transport Canada's rules).
Interesting video, but a few things wrong and missed.
The CCA rules make more sense if you know the following:
NZ politicians are generally morons, they rarely care about or check facts before mouthing off or making decisions.
The CCA has some smart people but they are completely hamstrung. There are a very limited number of things they can say to their political overlords without being fired.
Most airspace in NZ is not owned by the King. Land is owned from the earths centre to the edge of atmosphere by the owner. This is almost unique compared to other countries.
Strictly speaking the The King (via the CCA) has a duty to oversee and ensure the right of navigation in the air. This is an ad hoc extension to the water navigation customary rights.
The navigation right applies only to people . Unmanned drones are outside the general navigation right so the CCA rules only apply to drones only over land owned by the crown or a government agency.
Manned aircraft cannot legally fly below 2000ft without permission of the landowner.
This rule is generally ignored by everybody but exists nevertheless.
This rule being ignored will cause a huge legal mess in the case of interactions between lawfully operated drones and illegally operated manned aircraft.
Flying a drone over private property without permission in NZ is a complete no-no.
If your drone crosses into a property you are immediately committing trespass. Your drone immediately becomes the property of the landowner. They can do as they please with it and you have no legal recourse.
In rural areas drones are commonly used by criminals (stock thieves, poachers etc.) more landowners are getting anti drone systems so be careful and get permission flying more than a few K’s out of town.
On the upside quite a lot of landowners are drone enthusiasts and many rural properties are huge.
It is a shame that there is no database of airspace owners so that so people can find places to fly safely and lawfully.
There's way more international tourists this summer flying small drones than I've seen before, in places and manners that are definitely against the rules according to CAA. I expect to see new preachy signs in multiple languages about "being aware of the rules" and threatening fines sprouting up everywhere tourists might visit and want to fly one
What if I only have 10 drones and live in the UK? Can I ‘practice’ FPV without a spotter?
Keep up the good work Bruce.
The spotter (visual observer) rule seems common throughout the developed world despite the death toll associated with the recreational use of multirotor drones remaining stubbornly at zero.
One of my favourite Kiwi's
My drone says now I’m in a low fly zone where I live so limited to 30meters distance rendering it as much as useless yet nothing online about any such Mapua low fly zone a helicopter pilot told I am in (not near any airport or helipad)
I taught a UAV class at my high school and I don't think it's as hard as it sounds to understand.
Where can you fly? I hear New Jersey is a very popular area these days.
Only for airliners at night (whilst being filmed by the hysterical media) 🙂
Someday the bureaucrats are going to learn, Bruce... But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Happy holidays!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
rules rules rules , common sense, jst go out and enjoy the hobby.
I've sent online forms to my local council requesting permission to fly in parks. They have never replied so I've just been flying there. No issues, people come for a look see and a chat. Even let some people have a little turn.
Do UAPs need CIA permission?
(From Alien)
Thanks Bruce for speaking out the truth, you said that they are trying to destroy the hobby, you were spot on, so many have quit flying because of all these new bs rules.
Happy New Year 👍💪✌
Having been very temped to bat drones out of the sky at the Church of the Good Shepherd and the nearby shoreline of Lake Tekapo thanks to a busload of tourists perhaps they can be seized at the border. 😀 Dangerous and irritating. As a content creator I’ve been tempted but concluded it’s not worth the hassle. Good summary BTW . Are things different for commercial operators ?
Commercial operators are granted more lattitude and excused somewhat from the property permission rule -- however gaining such a certification is expensive.
A very fair summary i recon ! And i really like the Canadian two rules rule ....... Oh for more uncommon sence i will pray ! Awesome job XJet ! ❤😉🙃😎 NZ
Ready for some more nitro content 😅maybe with tim !
Tim has moved to Australia and I'm forbidden (by the council) to film on their property (they own the airfield) so sadly that's not going to happen. Yes, the South Waikato District Council really do hate the fact that people were regularly seen to be having fun with RC models at their airfield by millions via this RUclips channel. Go figure.
Can you fly close to NZ private farm airstrips.
As far as CAA is concerned, only those airfields or a helipads registered with the CAA matter. Check that map on the Airshare website (linked in the description) to see if there are any near you. A small top-dressing strip on a farmer's field is unlikely to be registered so won't matter but it pays to check and be sure.
@ Thanks there is a couple around us in Kaiwaka.
Are you able to compile the rules into a "common sense" version and drop that video and maybe a PDF (with the legislation / laws referenced) so that someone like myself (never owned a drone and only flown one for a short amount of time under strict supervision can understand & reference them if need be - i also feel that the local police officers who will inevitably respond will also be uneducated on this stuff. - signed: A NZ guy who wants to fly drones but doesn't want to become a lawyer to do so
There are some useful PDFs on the CAA/airways website that I've linked in the description.
Although we abide by most common sense rules , we dont abide by them all.
Through out human histories if it wasnt for a lot of certain people that hadnt broken certain rules that were neuroticly out of touch with the days reality, we wouldnt have evolved breaking through curtain ceilings .
I call my drone Galileo!
Something interesting about NZ drone rules is that they are all about safety and not about privacy. I kind of like that because otherwise things could get fuzzy and any flight could be annoying. Flying in auckland is a bit stink because most of it is controlled airspace where you can't fly.
Yes, it is not the purview of airspace regulations to protect anyone's privacy -- that's the job of the Privacy Act. We don't want or need to have a doubling up of laws/rules/regulations.
You got it, be polite. 120m is quite height really. The LOS rule is just silly re FPV glad you agree, isn't a pilot flying FPV? Perhaps they should have an observer? I can understand the hate, I try and educate the public that my FPV freestyle view is not crash, not spy and be polite. Esp. when kids are involved, dogs love them :)
I have a spray drone the size of a small car. I fly it over my own property and simply ignore the rules. It's the kiwi way, anywhere rules can't be enforced we just ignore them.
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Holy cow I thought Britain was bad... We look like heaven.
Yep, CAA UK has learned from many years of data that undeniably proves how (especially sub 250g craft) drones are the safest form of aviation we've ever had. CAA New Zealand is still living in the dark ages by comparison and drone/RC flyers suffer as a result.
@@xjet from my time in New Zealand, I always heard the "New Zealand is 20 years behind the UK". In many ways that isn't a bad thing! Hope they get some improvement soon! Especially as I would like to fly out there (although I know one land owner).
although i fly safe and away from populated areas .im not folowing any rules as i am not registered as a pilot and i fly toy drones , not used for commercial purposes , good luck trying to fine me ,, faa has no jurisdiction i do not have a contract with that corporation , nor do i have any contract with any government or state
Just fly. when the cops come fly far away and turn off the controller
Doc land is mine no one tells me I can't fly over my own bush. How stupid. Come get me CAA.
And to think the the DJI Phantom boys done this with their pranks: flying over nude beaches, flying over neighbors yard peeping on the girl laying out, flying into airspace C, B,D or E, etc. Punk kids did this to the hobby. And now look at it.
There are idiots in all fields of human endeavour and drone flying is no different. While it's true that, because they're so easy to fly and require little investment of time and effort to get in the air, the DJI-type drone is more likely to be used by such idiots, I've found that most DJI-type drone flyers are responsible types who don't engage in stupid activities. Remember, there are *millions* of DJI drones out there but only a handful of reported instances of agregious idiocy.
I find that it's easier to ask for forgiveness, than it is to ask for permission.
We are free beings, not controlled animals. Common sense and a sense of adventure is a very human trait. 😊
i use pov goggles, the number of rules around in nz, i just dont use the drone out side of my home, makes me want to sell it
I fly line of sight! I only have the goggles on my head incase I LOSE SIGHT OF IT! 👅👁
We need rules as the UK 249g and under, unfortunately the rules are for the people who came back with a negative IQ test.
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I'm a victim of the rules of which I speak I'm afraid. Because this town has both a helipad and an airport a huge area is effectively a "no-fly zone" for me now. That's why I illegally fly a 25g drone FPV in my back yard without a visual observer. However, I have located a small grassy field and obtained permission from the owner to fly over it so there will be flying videos this summer.
Unfortunately - common sense isn't so common, these days! - - - As you say, the rules are ridiculous - you can fly a motorbike at the side of an airport, but you can't chase the biker with a copter! - - - - -All the best, Bruce. Don't get sunburned down that end of the globe.
No risk of getting sunburnt yet... our summer doesn't really start for another week or two. Up until now we've had wind and rain. This morning it was 6 degrees!
@@xjet We've got 4c, and a horrible grey murky sky, when it is visible through the thin fog that is making everywhere damp.
In short let’s make it so hard, you can’t use a drone without breaking the rules. Resulting in 90% of public, just break the rules how they going to catch you.
Unfortunately that's pretty much the attitude adopted by an increasing number of people flying drones in NZ. If you have rules that are too hard (or unreasonable) to comply with people just say "what the hell" and do whatever they want. Good rules are an effective balance of freedoms and control. NZ's rules are a decade out of date and, in my honest opinion, some of that balance has been lost.
I sold all my RC equipment, thanks to all the rules here in Europe, it has taken all the fun out of the hobby, I am member of a rc club and many members have stoped flying because of the new rules and the laast 2 years no new people have joined the club.
I have followed your channel for many years, because of the fun and chatter at the airfield, now its all about the rules, I am sorry to say which becomes very boring
I totally agree and I am very sad that local politicians and bureaucrats have effectively made it impossible for me to continue creating those fun videos. I risk being tresspassed and even arrested if I make such videos now. It seems we really do have a "fun police" here in New Zealand 😞
what about the regulator of regulations department of NZ? could they de-regulate for common sense? or are they only setup to do de-regulation for profit?
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Some bureaucrats measure their worth by the weight of regulations they create. Sadly, there's little incentive to deregulate or simplify :-(
Education is key, the rules are not that scary to me and honestly, the dumb stuff some people would do given half a chance...
Yes, education is essential (hence this video) but we have to acknowledge that there will always be ignorant people and there will always be idiots. From that perspective it is extremely lucky that recreationally flown drones have proven to be the safest branch of aviation we've ever had and that never, in the entire history of mankind, anywhere on the planet, has anyone died as the result of the recreational use of a multirotor drone -- despite the ignorant and the idiots.
Screw the rules. Build a custom screamer and fly it while you hide 😂
As long as Karen's are running the show and making and enforce the regulations, Drones will always be heavily restricted.
07:00 "If you're a woman you probably read the manual" 😂
Quotes like this are why I've been following you for years Bruce.
We are over regulated where it has affected the productivity of the economy. It has created a situation where infrastructure is failing. It's coming to the point only big business can comply then it costs a fortune for anything to be manufactured. You only have to see the lay off staff and the closure of business in the central North Island 57 power companies and you wonder why power costs so much. You cannot fix stupidity ! Well pointed out Bruce.
I don't have a drone and I live in california lol
Its people's duty to disobey unjust laws/rules reasonably. That is part of the democracy actually. We were not asked if rules are good or not, they just expect from us to follow them. Who is the moral judge? And lets face it drones hobby will sadly not have more reasonable regulations anytime soon. It became like dirtbike hobby. Pretty much illegal activity - similar to drones, bikes are loud, not certified, etc. Just like with most of things - lovers gonna love haters gonna hate, relaxed regulations wont change that - Karens gonna be Karens. Its not our fault, hobby has been self policing just fine for years.
But i admit my brains got messed up since overregulation happened on what essentionaly are 'toys' and we keep doing waaay more dangerous activities and jobs.
I started realizing that i failed my life profession. Been educating for mechanical technician. Been never smoking, drinking, boycotting class hours. Many others had such bad addictions.
Was unemployed and suffered depression in bed for 2 years (2020-2022) mostly because how dystopian and unrealistic these drone regulations are. Started thinking about commiting... U know what. Then was trying hard to find motivation to get my arse off and getting a job. FPV videos helped me find motivation, so i got my dream job a year ago 👌. Sadly regulations drama news have caused me uncurable wound from childhood influencing my selfconfidence and many other things. Im scared to fly my RC planes. They keep collecting dust.
I'll keep flying by my own common sense rules. If hobby gets taken away from me then i will have to leave my industry related job. My moral compas decision, i don't have influence on. Then what would happen is because lack of motivation wouldn't even try getting any job at all, then because pressure from family members would have to commit... i guess. Does our country really want that? I hope no. Stay positive, fly safe, fly free 💪👍
I like to fly the farm countryside. If a house comes along, I cut to the side so that even if I go dark, the worth that'll happen is their field has a small hole in it and I get a busted frame. Few will even know that something is up there at 350 feet.
If anybody is watching this from the United States, we fly wherever the hell we want. I was in crop Fields and nobody hassles us. I don’t know what all this commotion here is in New Zealand but it has to stop. I’m gonna jump on an airplane and come over there and I’m gonna fight the battle with you Bruce
I used to fly my drone to help with my anxiety and depression, it was very relaxing. Now it's the total opposite and I have to avoid flying to help with those things. My drone has been hung on the wall for about a year and I only fly in sim now. Not just because of the public perception on drones, but the rules and regulations put in place have pushed me out. UK CAA requires you to have a spotter if you fly FPV, and I flew FPV, and that the spotter must be located directly next to the pilot and must not use visual aids (ie: binoculars) regardless of the drone size or weight. Oh, and because it's FPV it has a camera, so you instantly require registration regardless of the weight.
Yes, regulators and politicians often talk about the "risks' associated with drones but they ignore the very clear and important benefits -- even to mental health. I know a surprising number of folk to who a drone is an important part of the way they manage their mental health. When that is taken from them on the trumped-up premise of "safety" then the world becomes a broken place.
I'm a traditional rc pilot since late 1970s. I also own and fly a real plane. Never owned a drone. All you defiant irresponsible drone pilots brought this on yourselves. Traditional rc pilots were safe for DECADES but all you drone idiots couldn't be bothered to foster a community of safety and respect. This channel is particularly bad at encouraging stupid defiant behavior because it gets views and clicks. Anyone reading this comment ask yourself if Bruce really cares about the drone hobby or his youtube channel. I understand being popular on the internet I have another channel with millions of views and one of my videos #1 trending on the entire internet. My take is that Bruce is chasing internet attention and willing to help destroy a lovely hobby towards that end.
You should be focusing your attention on the regulators who have chosen to draw no distinction between the traditional hobby of flying RC planes and drones. It is because the traditional hobby has failed to stand up for itself and protect its own interests that it has been lumped in with "drones". Don't blame drone flyers for the traditional hobby's laziness and unwillingness to get off its arse and protect its own interests. It's always easier to blame someone else for your problems eh?
And by the way... the "traditional hobby" has accounted for a number of deaths but not one single person has died as the result of the recreational use of multirotor drones so don't be too quick to claim "RC pilots were safe for DECADES" because the evidence favours the drone flyers.
Yeah fair comment, I fly here in NZ under part 101 and there are some errors in the video, or misinterpretions of rules to tell some civil libertarian story: can fly in your back yard within 4km if it's a shielded operation no need for ATC clearance. the CAA are clear and have videos about it: ruclips.net/video/gQBojUn9M6c/видео.html
@@xjet "distinction between traditional rc hobby and drones"
Hmmm... so you're basically admitting there IS a fundamental difference in behavior between idiot drone pilots and responsible traditional rc pilots then? And the problem for me personally is to make regulators aware of this difference? Not that we should blame irresponsible drone pilots in the first place? The fundamental point here is that there should be NO difference between the two communities. The drone pilots should be as vigilant and respectful as the traditional rc pilots but that is obviously out of the question as far as you're concerned.
And don't give me your bullshit about which community is statistically safer. Full size aircraft have encountered many many more drones in the last few years than traditional rc models going back decades. As it stands today there is much greater threat for injury or death from a drone hitting full size aircraft just by sheer numbers and the relative lack of skill required to fly a drone and you know it. Any moron can buy a drone ready to fly and cause risk without implementation of digital no-fly zones and remote id and so here we are.
But we both know what you're really all about is youtube clicks and attention.
@@gutsymovies,it’s always about others and not you! I agree with you, responsibility and respect, have gone out of the window!😊
Im sorry to say this, but rules are for suckers, Im not even insured! I just fly in places where no one can mind if I crash and I never fly in dry conditions or in fields where there is still crops. What are you going to do :D ? Ban me from having fun? Try! just try, you cannot distinguish my foamie from a seagull on cocaine anyways.
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Canadian rules are preferable.
Drone regulation is only exposing the weaknesses of their power. Wow who knew that an Alibaba frame flying around the airport has the power to stop all travel in New Zealand.