PS5 Pro AI Hardware: Why Is There No Frame-Gen Support?
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We still dont have RDR2 PS5 patch 😂😢
@@MarekHusár-c4f Same goes for XSX. That's on take2/rockstar. Both are more than capable of running it at 60fps by now.
Blame rockstar
R* would want to sell a remaster for full price.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 Their version of remaster would just unlock frame rates thats it LOL
Lost hope here
I have a pc and series x, ps5, switch and a steam deck. Gaming is gaming I don’t fan boy bc none of these companies care about me they just want my money
Pretty much a based gamer, I have the same minus the Steam, which I'll definitely get, these clowns fighting who has the better platform are usually sht gamers who start ten games and finish none
Same here. I don’t get the tribalism. I have three gaming kids anyway, so we have all the platforms so we can all play. No need to pick a team.
EXACTLY!
@@Jontae4288 same my guy. I have a series x, ps5, series s (in the room that i keep my ps5 in) oled switch and oled steam deck. Currently building a pc… i just love GAMES. Never cheerleading over these corporations that make the plastic boxes that play the games… i just like the games lol
I have a pc, ps5 (pro preordered too), switch and I'll definitely get the switch 2. I was a big Nintendo fanboy when I was a child in the 80s and 90s but i grew out of it by 95. I still love Nintendo games but I was putting down sonic 2 in 3rd grade because it made mario look like a little kid game. Then I played it at my cousins house and I realized that I could like both sonic and Mario. I still only like 2d sonic and prefer 2d mario but overall I'm just glad to see so many millineals enjoy them and our small kids love them too.
PS6?
wHeRe ArE tHe GaMeS though
I honestly hope not, but you're probably right, it'll come eventually. I'm all for upsampling from lower base resolution (within reason), but I have a real problem with people conflating framegeneration with increased performance, when it actually decreases performance. I can live with some minor artifacting (although the frame gen artifacts are a lot worse than the upsample artifacts), but I'm afraid if Frame gen catches on, we might see a lot less natively high frame rates and those are essentially the only way to get responsive games. Luckily 30-to-60 framegen looks really bad and I honestly don't see how that could ever change, so it might not be a good enough excuse for devs to forego native 60 fps modes at least.
They could just add fsr 3 ontop of pssr for now
Wait, they stack?
@@nabieladrian yes! Still costs resources though.
but they should use it to get 120FPS from 60FPS and not 60FPS from 30FPS.
But the difference between DLSS 3 and FSR 3 is huge. DLSS 3 is fine, even with HUD elements, with just 40 fps. FSR 3 needs 60 fps to get like 50% of the quality of DLSS 3 at 40 fps, and it has to ignore HUD elements, which is nice to know that a game isn't using Frame Generation on trailers, like Monster Hunters Wild, but when you actually want to use the thing it's a negative.
You have all the examples of FSR 3 on consoles. Devs are using and abusing it like if it was DLSS 3 when it's not. It should be used to get from 60 fps to 120 fps minimum, not from 30 fps to 60 fps. If you do that, you get the same issues we got with Black Myth Wukong on Performance Mode.
On the PS Blog, a developer from The First Descendant said that they are working on combining PSSR with FSR 3.1 Frame Generation.
Please no more AI frame gen. The last thing we need is devs ramping up their games and relying on this to bring performance in line instead of properly building and optimizing their games in the first place.
Wondering about how you think monster Hunter wilds would run on PS5 pro vs Xbox series x
most unoptimized shit from the looks of the requirements, first game ever to put frame generation in their requirements and it's from 30 to 60.
@@ShadowMelt we will have to wait to find out. The game is Optimized more for console so it should be decent if you’re on base consoles. I have high hopes for the Pro however, I’m getting it specifically for MHW and future games of interest. Knowing that it will take things up a notch from the base ps5 is good enough for me. It was said that they are working on a ps5 Pro compatibility for the game as well!
Pro wins
@@DarkZemX I hope your right, dragons dogma 2 not but good feelings in my stomach
@@DarkZemX If someone is deciding between a PC or a Pro just for Wilds, the Pro probably edges out if they optimize it to deliver stable 1440p 60fps (no FG). Cuz otherwise you're gonna need the same kind of rig as DD2 requires, and that's easily 2k buck hardware.
Nothing but Wilds and Fromsoftware exclusives would make me consider this damn console. I'm sort of embarrassed and mildly depressed that I need 1k bucks minimum to enjoy Wilds on release. It's a mess.
That said, TGS footage on base PS5 has gotten a lot of people feeling way more hopeful about console Wilds. Those PC specs are still cursed though, awful stuff.
Some games already use FSR 3. I spotted that by specific artefacts in Alan Wake 2
It's funny how some have noticed this and yet they didn't or state it at all
@@ZippDude when you are given access to early gameplay from Alan wake 2, you tend not to criticize too much too, soon. Maybe they will eventually.
FG doesnt feel or look good
Yes it does which is why is people use it. You're in the minority, it is possible you used it wrong or when you did, it wasn't implemented properly by the devs.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat yes the minority of people with quicker perception.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatFrame gen feels like shit with a mouse, with a controller it's much better
@@PulseAttack I actually feel the opposite. In starfield if I use frame gen to get to 75 - 80 fps, it feels better on a mouse then a controller
Although the pro model has features of Zen 4 it is still a mid generation refresh the only real technologies that are going to make it stand out or the upscaling an AI features. This technology is pretty much universal from mobile phones to the switch to PCS so it's not only available in one implementation. It would be nice to see updates on the normal PS5 to support features just like how the og pS4 was able to support hdr content following the ps4 pro release
So much missinformation in one comment i don't even know if i should correct them lmao😂
@@s3rv3r3rror8 I'm sure if it was you'd leave a more intelligent reply.
I think the games running 1440p 60fps is good enough.
no, it might be good enough for you simple minded console gamers, but if I have the option of frame gen ( which I do most cases ), I would much rather have 100FPS instead of 60 or 120. It is better.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I have a 12700k 32gb ddr5 and a 3090ti. What you got? Simple minded pc gamer? Prob has a 4090 and 78003d with 128gb of ram. Zotac card too.
Upscaled
90 fps is the new 60 lol. I use my TV's motion smoothing when gaming in 60fps - it just doesn't look smooth to me for some reason anymore. 90 spoiled me I guess
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Damn u got cooked lmao
After looking at the MH Wilds specs, it's hard to be excited about any of this damn hardware. Console, PC, whatever.
What do you mean?
@@frisby7143 Wilds is not gonna look top tier for anyone who doesn't have recent (within two generations) CPUs and GPUs equating the 4070.
If you care about crisp texture and great lighting/particle effects at stable 60fps, you need some good buck. That's depressing.
@@kimlee6643 Yeah, those spec requirements are bullshit. First game ever to recommend frame generation and it’s from 30fps to 60fps, not even mentioning this is for 1080p *MEDIUM* settings, not even like ultra or something. Most games with recommended specs will recommend AT LEAST 1080p high settings with native resolution.
@@Joshy_Poo It's so bad that it's actually confusing. What makes it even more bizarre is that some people saw closed doors PC footage of Wilds before the PS5 footage went public and they assured people that Wilds looks much better than anything anyone is currently seeing, including the trailers.
Maybe the clowns showcased it on 7800X3D/4090 rigs lol
@@kimlee6643 Lol
Devs can do what they like, and consumers should have the choice and on that note my choice is "If I can't turn off frame gen then I won't buy your game." I would rather have a "bad" but honest frame rate than a motion interpolated version. That's just my preference and I fear that if devs start leaning on frame gen with no pushback then it'll just become another source of bad feeling games that lazily trick the metrics into looking good.
i dont think that console gamers even should have to care about technical issues. if you like to deal with graphic and resolution settings everytime you start a different game, just build a PC...
I don't see the point in frame gen. More FPS is for less input lag, not to please the eyes. And frame gen always increase the lag in controls.
Honest frame rates? That's new.
Essentially PS5 Pro is a beta test for PS6.
PS6 will offer a new architecture
And PS4 Pro was a beta test for PS5. Nothing wrong with that.
Probably because frame generation is relatively new and this console / PSSR started development before it came onto the market, and FSR 3 frame generation is quite good. They can just use that.
Really? Why doesn't it make ice? I think you guys already know the answer. Price. The fact that this question is being asked after making the price point part of the conversation leads one to believe this is just click bait.
I don’t think they’ll focus on frame generation yet, simply because for the best experience you should apply it over 60 fps and most console users are using 60hz TVs so 30 to 60 fps not ideal, would only be specially useful for 60 to 120 fps, maybe to niche to create a custom solution, if they want so bad a 120hz mode the combo PSSR + the FSR 3 Frame Generation can do the trick perfectly
Could be an option but should not and never be a standard. Framegen meant only for PC master race enthusiast who want to see the highest fps possible...
The thing is, as long as the standard for broadcasting stays in 24/30/60 fps, standard for TV screen will also stays at 60hz. And console meant to be played on TV screen.
I disagree with Alex. Developers won’t be building the games around PSSR, to hide its flaws, because the install base won’t warrant it.
Fames are adding FSR framegen while also using PSSR...developers stated on PSBlog on the PS5 Pro article
Frame generation was invented as a concept eons ago, PS4 Pro development timeline (In Henderson we trust, he showed the goods) was about 18 months in duration and even if you added more time… again frame generation was not invented by nVIDIA or AMD in the last 2 years.
Majority user still using conventional 4k 60hz non VRR tv duh
I'm sure FSR 3 FG will be in more PS games going forward. Seeing it in The Last Decendant and Immortals of Aveum it seems the devs are trying to push harder into that tech.
Frame Gen is to be used only in extreme cases. Frame Gen cannot be used with Gsync, at least with NVIDIA, so I try not to use it whenever possible. Give me DLSS 3 and let me go.
They probably thought about that as well when developing their own PSSR, outweighing the pros and cons, and decided it just not worth added me think
No one wants frame generation... They settle for it.
Frame generation can be use with pssr so
Is there any potential fidelity and/or performance improvements if future gen consoles were to include a dedicated NPU?
I'm not a fan of the input latency from FG, even if the fps is 90 at base. It still feels off with th massive input delay.
PC has not even upgraded to the same I/O standard. Would be nice, if that would happen first.
I thought PSSR was generating frames??
I guess it's because ML isn't needed for FG, FSR3FG is just as good (DLSSFG has a bit less artifacts, FSR3FG is a bit smoother) as the ML-based Nvidia alternative, the ML research is better spent on upscaling.
Completely disagree fsr 3 is significantly worse than DLFG
@@tryharder1053 In what way?
@@rayder3543 every single way not going to explain more than that dedicated hardware is always better
@@tryharder1053 So you don’t know the technologies and you reduce everything to “It’s Nvidia so it must be better”, don’t bother to reply.
@@rayder3543 Lol cope more
ull have to pay a yearly subscription for that
Because it can’t do more than 60 fps?
Amazing video, thank you.
Playstation holding The Series comsoles back
Lmao nice joke especially when u dare saying this while the garbage series s is out there 🤡🤡🤣😆
its actually xbox series is holding back the ps5 and series x this gen . series s has already been maxed out developer already complaining about it it an albatross to work with games running at 454 p on series s cant do ray tracing ms need to get rid of it .
Right. Back on planet earth the S is holding back the X let alone every other console.
@@amazingamazigh1538 Devs wont even use certain features just because playstation 5 cant do it 🫠just like the ps2 days all over again lol
Series S😂
John is a complete and total jabronie
Just like your mom
@@LegacyRap777nah just like your ability troll…
@@trollzone1 your mom is a good troll
@@LegacyRap777 nah your’s is an even better lay🫵🤣😂
@@trollzone1 your mom bags groceries with 1 arm
they are saving it for ps6 since its coming out in 2028
2027.
Frame gen is trash
experience engine or cpu limitations first and then rethink your stance
every nintendo game? -> boom 120fps
They didn’t add framegen to PSSR because PSSR is just the 40fps unlocked modes running with AI scaling and the bigger GPU can sometimes make it run at 60. That’s why hogwarts legacy is still 30fps. There’s no secret about it. All you have to do is look at the comparisons to see it.
By the looks of it you clearly don't know what PSSR is or does!!
@@s3rv3r3rror8 let me guess, you’re part of the delusional group that think the pro is a 4090? There are literally comparison shots of Spider-Man 2’s 120hz 40fps performance mode and fidelity mode side by side with the pro and the number of NPCs and fidelity are identical. The games weren’t remade, AI upscale isn’t magic, it’s literally just doubling a lower internal resolution. All it can do is upscale the modes that already exist. You’re embarrassing yourself if you think otherwise.
Frame gen sucks
Which FG have you used?
@@ume-f5j FSR Framegen. It doesn’t improve input lag at all, and can even make it worse
@@christianr.5868 That's the inferior one, so it's no wonder you feel that way towards FG. But FG was never intended to reduce input lag. That's why games like Cyberpunk force switch on Reflex when DLSS FG is on.
@@ume-f5j Most have only used AFMF or FSR3, and in their binary minds, FG = FG. There is no difference. Until they experience things themselves, they just parrot whatever they feel based on what they used, and that must equal all/everything. Basically, people don't even try not to be ignorant anymore. Talk first, and maybe think later on but probably not. They always leave out Reflex as well which does a great job with latency since so few have a 40 series to actually experience a quality FG implementation with latency reduction tech.
@@Mcnooblet Very true.
Frame Gen has no place in gaming. The whole point of increasing FPS is to reduce input lag, improving controls, and NOT to please the eye. Frame Gen adds lag beyond the base FPS it's running originaly. So why bother?
Maybe Sony's engeniers had the same logic for that.
While Frame Gen tech don't work that well with 30 to 60fps, that's the ONLY situation where it's justicable, cuz I can't understand someone (not me) saying 30fps is to slugsh to their eyes. But 60? 60 is smooth enough for everyone, going beyond that is just for input latency reduction.
I think 40 fps is so good and should be the way pushed forward to substitute 30fps. It seems like a small change, but the improvements are great. And it can help not only Consoles, but PC gamers, cuz you know, not everyone has a 4090. Digital Foundry could push for that with their videos on PCs Optimize Settings, especially if we want more fidelity with our games and the push for Ray Tracing and Path Traycing. Cuz 60fps will always be a flawed target, it's too much to ask for real time graphics. But 40? 40 can be a perfect target.
It's not the "whole point" of fps it's just half of main reason. 1. reduce input lag / 2. smoother animation, and tbh 60 isn't that sweet spot for everyone. As for me I prefer around 75 - 90 fps if possible since I can't tell different for smoother image beyond that point, but some people do want more.
@@axestump3590 It IS JUST for input lag reduction after 60fps. Sorry, you just trying hard to say anything against... It's Just HALF of the MAIN reason.... Hahahaha... 1/4 of the reason them. Wonder whats the other 3/4 of the reason?
You probably turn off Motion Blur on every game, and not only in multiplayer, cuz you think the tech still is like it was in 2005.
OR, you're using Black Frames to reduce Motion Blur and creating lots of stutering.
Is it needed when 99.9% of gamers are playing on 60hz tvs? I hope its a feature they may introduce down the line though.
Bro, like 20% of PC gamers use high refresh monitors. What are you talking about?
If you're the kind of guy who's going to get a ps5 pro, you almost certainly have a display that supports 120hz (or more). I think an option to do frame gen like AFMF or lossless scaling's frame generation would've been a pretty good selling point. In my experience, 30 to 60fps frame generation (fsr3, lossless scaling) isn't all that great, especially for input lag, but 60 to 120 works surprisingly well.
Because frame gen is a borderline fraudulent buzzword. Not only does it NOT improve the control responsiveness, it HURTS it.
If a game needs frame gen to reach 60fps it'll likely be a bad time.
Everyone needs to take stock. Sony have produced a pro model of the PS5 and at $699/£699 are over selling it and under delivering (with the emphasis on under delivering) especially considering you can pick up a base base PS5 for less than half the money currently....... no contest........
I switched to PC gaming at the beginning of the year .. I will never go back to consoles. I now feel that I wasted literally decades on consoles that ran games with terrible framerates, low-mid graphical settings and low-medium resolutions - not to mention input and lag issues.
I think the PS5 Pro is MORE than worth it for what it can do. especially for people not quite ready to spend north of a thousand quid on a good gaming PC but want to actually play games at high framerates, high resolution and high graphical settings, but don't want to have to wait another two console generations for HD remasters or full remakes of their favourite games to do it.
PS5 pro secured😂. I can afford it, its shown to run better than my ps5 so I got it. My favortie rendering mode on ps5 is the balanced mode that combines the fidelity mode(4k30fps) and uses Vrr to unlock the framerate, bringing the games to a 4k40-48fps. The pro's main selling point is to improve that without the use of vrr. So, I can only imagine what they and other developers can do with the power.
Can you? Must be real lucky to be getting new ps5's for 350 dollars
@@coolmacatrain9434 nice take, the more you spend, the more you get, is it so difficult?? why do people have to lose their minds for a new console price range? it's just a matter of how much you want to afford for your passion...
however, even on consoles things are changing, don't compare a console from 7 years ago with a PC from today or vice versa, tvs are starting to have
@@coolmacatrain9434but did you have fun back in the day playing on console? Fun is where it's at and unfortunately thanks to channel's like this the word fun barely gets mentioned
They can just use fsr3 frame gen which is basically the same
Because it is software/compute, imagine forcing UE5 devs to change their AI frame gen tools 😂
pro waste of money
PS6 Juice.
I switched to PC gaming at the beginning of the year .. I will never go back to consoles. I now feel that I wasted literally decades on consoles that ran games with terrible Framerates, low-mid graphical settings and low-medium resolutions - not to much input and lag issues.
I think the PS5 Pro is MORE than worth it for what it can do. especially for people not quite ready to spend north of a thousand quid on a good gaming PC but want to actually play games at high framerates, high resolution and high graphical settings, but don't want to have to wait another two console generations for HD remasters or full remakes of their favourite games to do it.
Agreed
But if you wasted literal decades with consoles, than what makes you think this one is gonna be anything different?
@@jacobsetser415 Because it's the first console that's actually comes close to a top range gaming PC, but at nearly half the price. The average PC user will now have a less power for gaming that a PS5 PRO owner.
@coolmacatrain9434 we heard that with ps5 and XSX release. 50 series is not far away at all and how is it at all close to a 4080 or 4090 build?
@@coolmacatrain9434not true. The average PC user can sell his old PC parts to upgrade while the ps5 user can't upgrade his ps5 he has to sell it altogether to buy the new one. Besides that I agree with everything u said.
PS6.
Frame generation sucks. There's basically no reason why you'd want to play something that looks 60FPS or higher yet has latency of something in the 30FPS region causion less responsiveness in the game.
If you’re playing online yeah, for single player games latency is not an issue and frame generation helps a lot.
@JP-rz2pp That's actually a huge misconception, as you definitely will notice a difference. The sentiment of FPS being important for just online games is a fallacy as FPS unanimously has been proven to improve performance regardless. I can think of a plethora of examples where FPS can affect single player game performance.
Not many have a 40 series. Parroting is easy though, experience with what you are talking about is much more difficult since you leave out other factors as well, like Nvidia Reflex tech. DLSS FG + Reflex has lower latency than not using either of them and just playing a game regularly. Consoles didn't really get to take advantage of any latency reducing tech, so I understand most have experience with AFMF or FSR3 which doesn't have a great solution for reducing latency for FG. Still, it doesn't mean FG = FG = Interpolation. They have differences, and you would have to experience them for yourself before telling everyone else how it is, and it sucks. I've personally used DLSS FG in many titles with Reflex and it is a great feature, as it can also help if you are CPU bottlenecked to get additional smoothness. Also there's a lot more room for latency on a console with a controller vs mouse and keyboard. So I disagree, FG + Reflex works very well over 60fps and doesn't even come close to feeling like 30fps latency.
@@insertnamehere8723 I can only speak from my experience, I only play 1 online game (no FG), and the single player ones that support FG have no downsides for me.
@Mcnooblet which is all to say, lower latency =/= no latency. Considering there's no universal standard on the tech and one has a high barrier of entry, the sentiment holds strong that by and large, it's still a workaround and generally is unideal. I'd much rather reduce graphical settings and accept the slight hit for more FPS than "fake it till you make it.*" I alsoknow for damn sure I'd much rather sacrifice some FX and resolution (which let's face it 4k is still pretty excessive goal) compared to input latency caused by a glorified workaround. Needless to say, It's not ideal that by no means should be a standard, and it is, by all accounts and, for all intents and purposes, an unideal situation necessitating frame generation to begin with.
Frame gen is cringe, I will not accept fake frames in my game and not having support for it would be one of the few things Sony was smart to do.
The PS5 Pro 2 will have FG for just $899.
If the 5090 cost 3000. Then when the ps6 pro comes out the 6090 will cost 5k🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
PS5 Pro 2? Spoken like someone who never owned a playstation console
@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pdRight? Clearly, it's PS5 Pro Max v2 Plus Ultra Elite Edition. Only real console gamers would know
@@jdwastaken4126 😭😭🤣
ps4 pro pro pro ++ is more like it
Considering how amazingly well Lossless Scaling works as a SOFTWARE implementation I kinda don't think there's any excuse.
They would be clowns if they needed frame generation on the console that advertises that its all about taking 30fps quality mode to being the 60fps performance mode
Wait for the PS5 Pro Ultra Final Edition, it'll include it.
The PS5 Pro has triggered the PC Mastercard race, since its more powerful than their 3060s and 1650s! 🤣🤣
Where? 👀
That’s a scientific fact
You have to be a special kind of delusional person to believe what you just said 😂. Games are still targeting 30 and 60 fps with upscaling for higher res on the pro, a console that cost 800 dollars. Im no pc masterrace member or nothing, i mostly game on xbox and ps5, im just not delusional… you guys are special lol
That is 100% true. These pc neckbeards forget that steam stats don't lie!!!! Only 1% of pc neckbeards virgins have the 4090😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Is this still a thing, plaform wars ?
People should play on whatever t f they want
No frame gen? May as well just buy a $2000 pc for console ports
I've been using lossless scaling to play Tears of the Kingdom at 240fps and it is awesome. Seems like a no brainer to implement frame interpolation into all gaming devices, but I've noticed many people defend low frame rates for some reason so maybe consoles won't get it.
That game runs terrible on ryunjix for me.
So no fps boost?????
Persian cc😢😢😢
Because the developets already started to add Frame Gen as an option to their games.
Anyway, I use De-Judder and De-Blur 10/10 on my LG C3 and it's incredible.
I only need games that are LOCKED at 30FPS or 60FPS to play at 120Hz.
So I couldn't care less if Frame Gen is present in games ot not.
I have the same TV and use their frame gen for my PC as well. I got the TV specifically for that after searching which TV's had the best version.
The spaceman test confirmed it. There's no artifacts, no noticeable input lag. It's basically perfect
However....There's so many gamers out there against it, but are ok with a way worse version on PC that takes up resources 🤔
They're still under the assumption that all interpolation on TV's are all bad because of the "Soap Opera effect" stigma. Group think 🤷
I use this and crank up a lot of their added features to make the picture look better. Last time I recommended this I got yelled at. " You're ruining your picture" 😂 it looks a lot better with no noticeable lag
@@SmoothSportsGaming Those are purists aka very wrong.
De-Judder/ De-Blur make miracles.
That's why they implement it now in PC GPUs and games.
In TVs it's the same thing, but for free.
Hahahhaa
I have an LG C3, what are you talking about please? Thanks
@@CrashBashL Yep, also I saw someone complain that the C3 is not bright enough... Yeah because you're dimming your picture...
Put it on Vivid, crank up the features or turn off certain things and you'll get the power of the sun on your screen 😂
"That's like dumping ketchup on an expensive steak don't take his advice" 🤦
@@0DancerJay0 if you switch to Standard mode or anything else besides Gaming mode, disable VRR and ALLM in both TV and PlayStation, and disable 120Hz in the PlayStation, then you can activate De-Judder and De-Blur in the TV. Found in Clarity.
Change your HDMI input to Console. The icon.
De-Judder 10/10 makes so that every game you play that is locked at 30FPS to be played at 120Hz on your TV.
De-Blur is the same thing but for games that are locked at 60FPS.
ITS MOTION CLARITY AWESOMENESS!!!
If you believe that you have too much input lag playing 30FPS games with De-Judder 10/10, then go down to 7/8 out of 10.
But then the image movement clarity won't be the same.
Use the same setting for movies also.
Ignore the 24FPS movie purists.
They are 100% wrong watching movies with 100 year old tech. 24FPS.
You don't pay thousands of $$$ for a TV to downgrade the image like that.
That will be the PS6 Pro that cost 1000 and won't come with a controller
Still a better deal than any pc ever
more like the regular ps6 will cost that much
@@allthis701lol water on your brain
@@milkycannon444 Here we have an example of someone who has no water on their brain, causing it to go completely dry and shrivel
@@milkycannon444 you need to buy more ram to come up with decent insults
How about no AI, no upscaling, no frame gen, no FSR, no PSSR, no DLSS, and we get games that are properly optimized for the hardware they are being made for
I mean there’s an Xbox 360 for that reason
Being optimised for rt, dlss, and frame gen doesnt count as "being optimised for the hardware they have" anymore?
Should we go back to when games were optimised to run in software and ditch the gpu entirely while we're at it?
@@urmomma2688 If the game was properly optimized for the hardware it wouldn't need frame gen or DLSS because it would already run amazing
@@AzaiaMonota the hardware includes the sillicon that does dlss and frame gen. So technically, *not* using them would be to not properly optimize for the hardware
@@urmomma2688 And that hardware only exists on there in the first place because the games are so unoptimized if games were properly optimized things like DLSS and frame gen would have no reason to exist they are merely unoptimization offsetters
Pc gamers just can't accept that millions don't want to buy pc. They are out of control with the pro. They can't accept that gsmers want you but the pro and not pc. It's so funny to read.
@@davidvillamarin-lj2pf those are mostly Xbox refugees. They are irrational when it comes to PS.
PC gamers can't accept that some company producing subpar hardware for now "not so low" price pays for exclusivity deals which makes some games completely unaccessible on actually usable hardware.
Because they’re the master race looking down on console gamers. Haha
Well not entirely true. Most gamers are on mobile devices, PC then Gaming consoles. However, I'd argue that the face of mainstream gaming is on the consoles. This is what they cannot accept and it seems to iritate them. They are out of control, especially because consoles are as powerful as the average PC with some custom tech not found on those same PC's. This makes them feel insecure which is why you'll find them arguing with console fanboys. The people with super high-high end PC's don't seem to care that much.
@@dripfoe_3307 actually, consoles make more money than the PC market. Mobile definitely makes the most though.
People need to understand that technology costs. Ps5 pro is expensive, but it's worth it. Ps5 pro is what this generation needs. Also, the ps5 pro will keep the gamers busy because the next stop is Playstation 6.
People just don't understand that the cost of everything is going up. Cost of hardware production is going up. Games are getting bigger and more detailed and it's taking more people and more time and money to make them. If this is to be sustained then consumers have to start paying more. People want to pay bottom dollar for hardware and games and they think that that will sustain the industry and make it grow. How hard is it to save money? Just saving $2.70 a day will give you $1000 in a year. That's enough to buy the Pro, disc drive, stand and a couple of games. It's not that difficult.
PS5 Pro is completely useless.
Except if you want to run games at 4K / 60. Oh wait, that’s pretty useful.
They've been saying 4k/60 since 2016 lol. Sony and Microsoft
@@_Refurbished_ Well you better get a high end PC if you want that because PS5 Pro isn't going to deliver that and if it does have a game at 4K 60 it will be at low to medium settings and look worse than if they had just gone with 1080p very high to ultra settings
@@_Refurbished_ isnt that what they said about these base consoles? And for 800 dollars i dont want to run games at 4k/60, i want more performance than that… 1440p and 4k barely look different on a 55 inch from a couch, so if the ps5 pro is still targeting 60 and 30 fps, yeah its pretty useless and im not surprised at all they they havent sold out on preorders 3 whole days later lol
@@_Refurbished_ more 864p lmao
Just buy a PC already, you know it's time to move on for consoles
I built one but I don't use it
I have two, im using one but still bought the pro.
@OniMirage I had fun building it but not really using it. I mainly use the ps5 so I had to pre-order the ps5 pro
@@TheRealHmm I wasted money making something superior and more capable than my current machine but I don't use because reasons. Now, I am gonna waste more money for an overpriced slightly better machine.
How smart
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Indeed
You will never know what was the original comment
Oh wow you were actually first I won’t 🤡 you lol
The ps5 pro is such a half-assed console that's why
Frame gen is a superb feature but one must have a high refresh rate, vrr display to use it. Traditional tvs don't have such features.
Because ps5 as ps5 are trash. Over priced mediocre consoles
Lol why are u mad?
Cope, mald and seeth😂
They're not even "consoles" anymore but downgraded PCs.
yeah that the xboxseries and and x both machine are dog shit holding the gen back.