Shouldn't a console that's for enthusiasts come with a disc drive? Shouldn't a pro console not be missing features of the non-pro model? This is a genuine head scratcher.
Sadly, I think the industry is just trying to steer us away from physical media in general. So many games aren't even getting physical releases at launch anymore. It's really annoying
@@Nick930 On PC it is happened many decades ago when Steam got strong player base. Even worse when exclusive launchers not available any more my quick example is Bioshock only way to launch the game from DVD is to patch it or get pirated copy. Very sad but we are going to owning nothing future.
Why 8k? I don't get this industry anymore, I own over 1k games, and still find rtx not worth the performance drop and play at 1440p, I have a 4k monitor and rarely can see the difference. They have no clue what consumers want anymore, they just want innovation, I dont want ai, upscaling, framegen, 8k, or realism, I want video games with good stories and fun gameplay. I want character.
From what I heard, Polyphony who made GT series love to try experimental features foe their games and 8k is one of the experimental feature they are trying to use for GT7
These consoles can't even run native 4k 30 yet & they talking about 8k 😂😂😂 I'll stick with my base PS5 that I barely even use because Sony too busy making more consoles & remakes & remasters of PS4 games that aint even 10 years old yet instead of new video games, smh..
You are just one of a few. There are some who prefers 4k rather than 2k. And there are some who prefers RTX. The console was made to cater everyone, not just a few.
@@macoi3008 Consumers want good games, I am not unique for that. I did not say I don't like 4k, what I was saying is that 8k is a minority need and low priority. Tech companies are blind and disconnected, they are getting more greedy, more reckless, and more careless, at least towards consumers, as time goes on.
It's basically criminal that they are setting the same actual numerical cost for both USD and GBP. We are effectively paying £175 (or $233) more for the console - an absolute disgrace.
In Europe and UK, is it the listed price+taxes? Or is that the final price out of the door? In the US, it's 700+ taxes. (Still would be cheaper than 700pounds though.)
@@danielrwanki5826 its not worth it if you already have a ps5. The price is too big for something slightly improved. My recommendation is wait for ps6 or get a normal ps5 if you dont have one, you can get it at 1/3 of the price of the Pro, brand new.
I agree, it would not be worth it just for a more detailed draw distance, but you are not being honest with yourself and conveniently forget it doubles the frame rate to 60fps, adds higher res texture detail and adds superior ray tracing. Sniping with a scope at 30fps means you have to stop panning in order to see your target due to blur and stutter. That was fine when there was no alternative, but at 60fps you can see the target clearly as you pan, allowing you to shoot on the fly.
Its insane these consoles have been out for years and no price cuts yet and then the pro is coming out at an absolutely insane price for a console. This is a dang playstaiton not a gaming pc.
If you dont own PS5 yet, Pro makes sense. But if you have PS5 already..then you already spend 1200e, so not easy choice and we need see more user reviews.
The PS5Pro addresses the core weaknesses of the PS5 platform, specifically the AI and ray tracing, but Sony really should have shown it off with games designed for it. I've no issues with the price tag, but marketing a 700 dollar console using games most played and beat years ago is a tough sell.
That’s actually a great idea. I’m desperate to see Wolverine and that would’ve been a great example since it’s Insomniac and they always kill it when it comes to maximizing the hardware’s capabilities.
Devs/corpos are the problem, not console. Just look at spiderman 2. Ratchet and clank literally looks like a animated movie from 8-10 years ago. Also don't forget it's the first console generation to have such a high jump in resolution. We had jumps between 360p-1080p in the span of like 10 years and now it's suddenly 1080p to 2160p. There's no chance it will work seamlessly
I was going to buy a family member a PS5 for Christmas this year and upgrade my own PS5's storage. Instead, I've opted to pre-order a PS5 Pro and give my current PS5 to them. Ends up being about the same cost, but I also get an upgrade.
I saw a ps5 and ps5 pro comparison. They was looking at, The last of us 2. The grass was blurry on the pro but clear on the base ps5. On the pro, Do have the option to turn off and on PSSR? Or is it always on? Also, you mentioned the pro having a versatility mode? The base ps5 has a fidelity and pro mode... what modes does the pro have?? Thanks for the video!
@@realtalk2528 The grass was in no way "blurrier" on PS5Pro when I saw it. They specifically showed me how much more crisp and clean PSSR made the grass and vegetation look during the demo. Aliasing on abandoned vehicles and distant objects was also cleaned up. Maybe they mistakenly swapped their footage in that comparison? Because that doesn't seem right. Even still - there is an option to swap to the old 30fps fidelity mode and 60fps performance modes like before. They're basically just adding a new PRO option. The "Versatility" mode I mentioned is just what Square Enix calls their "PS5Pro Mode" for Final Fantasy 7. Most, if not all the games I tested had some kind of new Pro setting in the menus. But it's on a per-game basis still, and Hogwarts Legacy is one example where all 3 modes will now use PSSR.
The games that are not optimized for the Pro. Will they still play and look better? I know the pro has way more Teraflops than the ps5 and Xbox. Have a series x but want to play games like dbz Sparking Zero on the best console. The Xbox is fine but notthing compares to playstation controllers! I hoping that the Pro out performs the series X in EVERY category!
That's a good question, I'm not sure. But the ps5 should already support at least 48GBps bandwidth as it can support up to 8k 60fps, and considering i was shown 8k at 60fps, I imagine this port should be the same. It's an HDMI 2.1, im not sure where you're getting the capped 32gb from
@@Nick930 Thanks for the response. A bit hard to explain in a comment, but if you Google you'll find more about it. Essentially PS5 limits the HDMI bandwidth for whatever reason (even though the ports should be capable) and with 4K 120 output the colour space drops to 4:2:2 as a result, it can only do 4:4:4 at 60 Hz. This has always bothered me and was hoping they fixed it for the Pro.
@@vincentkentermusic Interesting - I'll see if I can ask a representative and get an answer for you. If not, I'll try and test for it in my final review.
You just loose eyesight due to how low res/blurry a lot games are on standard PS5. Image quality as been a big issue this gen, TAA makes some games in 4k look worse than 1080p ps4 games.
@@claudiovic88only if the game is optimized poorly. Horizon forbidden west, hogwarts legacy, spider man 2, ratchet and clank and god of war still looks beautiful
@@merathe9391Tbf the games you mentioned were upscaled PS4 games with the exception of Spiderman and Ratchet and Clank. The only problem with those two is the fact that they are PS exclusives which makes it easier to be optimized for the PS5 than 3rd party games, and they both use the same exact assets from the previous games. They wasn’t built from the ground up.
Moral of the story, you won’t see a difference unless they’re sitting side by side and you won’t have a disc drive unless you want to pay extra. Hard pass.
Wasn’t planning on picking it up, and just pre ordered it. My kids will love the original PS5 after the pro arrives. Life is good when you work hard for things you like.
Thank you... This is EXACTLY how I feel about it...I get $700 is a lot but it's a premium console but some of us just want the best and are fortunate enough to be able to afford it
@@jariusspear true it is a price shock but at the same time if their buying their ps5 this late into the console cycle they more than likely won’t buy the ps6 at launch which means they’ll use the ps5 pro for a decent amount of time before upgrading.
The pro version and its price alone are not absurd, if you choose to build a PC with similar configurations you will realize that the console is not expensive. The real absurdity is to sell separately a disc player and a piece of plastic so that the sonsole can stand upright.
You're forgetting that on PC you aren't paying a regular fee which can be over $100 a year to use your own internet, and games on PC are less expensive. Especially when you factor in sales, bundles and steam key stores. In the last little while I've gotten 8 games plus DLCs for about $90 CAD with tax. That's the cost of a single new game on console. 💸
As a developer, I dont understand why people think that PS5 Pro will mean consumers won't have to choose between "Performance" and Fidelity. A higher framerate isn't uncompromised magic. There are only 2 ways it would remove the fidelity option. 1. Sony creates a developer mandate that dictates how they're allowed to use the hardware and must reserve enough resources to hit 60fps 2. No ps5 pro games will actually focus on the hardware, rather it'll be akin to a ps5 version of a ps4 focused title. I.e they'll target ps5 base and use the additional resources to focus on framerate and sharpen the resolution somewhat. Realistically, the reality will probably be what it always has been. Developers will build games that fit their vision. Some games don't require you to push the hardware as much, thus 60fps is more achievable. But for developers that need to push the hardware, especially as the generation goes on, 30fps will start becoming the norm as developers push the hardware more
As a PC gamer who got an RTX4090 and QD-OLED TV, i quickly learned how immersive and gorgeous raytracing is.. When i heard the PS5 Pro was going to get a large uplift to RT, I was excited to see a lot more people get access to this amazing technology. Further, DLSS is a monster tech that every tech company should aspire to. That said, Sony is a master at upscaling TV and streaming content - i immediately knew PSSR would be a great competitor down the road, if not right away. The PS5 Pro is a monster.
PSSR should've been made with the base PS5 since DLSS was a thing before the PS5. Instead, they relied on FSR because it's cheaper but there was signs that FSR is gonna be left behind in the competition, Sony always paywall good features that clearly could've been done earlier.
1) DLSS isnt open Source like FSR, so its exclusive to Nvidia GPUs 2) Sony relies on cheaper solutioks but the usage of FSR its due toit being open source, not to mention the PS5/XSX have AMD iGPUs 3) PSSR its just FSR3 rebranded
@desangrador5770 PSSR is indeed based on FSR but the results speaks for themselves, they look different enough. Sony could've made their own from scratch years ago with their $400m but they spent and wasted that on something else.
@@saintlikegrimm It's mainly because the original PS5 came with a stand included with the console, so many feel that Sony is basically ripping people off by now making the stand a seperate purchase.
@saintlikegrimm Exactly I never bought a stand mine sits sideways just like my Xbox Series X. Not one problem at launch tho if you cut the power to the PS5 with a disk in it. Once you cut it back on the disk will not eject but, they release firmware to fix that issue within a week.
@@PapaShubz Both stands are actually pretty much the same. They are both attached to the console with a screw and despite the PS5 Slim stand having this outer ring, they actually have about the same surface area, the slim being slightly larger, but yeah they are not that different.
If you have the vertical stand it won't fit the pro lol they will release a pro vertical stand after pro comes out Sony has designed a new vertical stand specifically for this updated model due to slight differences in dimensions
60 fps, high graphic fidelity and ray tracing. I dont use physical discs, I dont use the stand. I save money having upgrade the M.2 SSD drive. Placed my pre order for ps5 pro and I am content with my order
I'd assume that most people, in the market for this, already have an M.2 or at least own PS4 games they still want to play. PS4 games take up a bunch of extra space, in the other category, when installed on the main SSD, for some reason. If you plan on playing multiple PS4 games, you're going to want an M.2 or at least an external drive. If you've got physical games, in your collection, you're going to need a disc drive to play them. Offering the Pro, with a larger SSD and no disc drive, seems to appeal to people who only play annual sports/shooter games and maybe a few new games here or there. Keeping the main storage at 1TB, including the disc drive and promoting PSSR functionality for PS4 games, would have appealed to collectors and the 50% of PlayStation users who are still on PS4/Pro. Which group is more likely to go out and buy a PS5 Pro? Collectors and active PS4 owners, who want to utilize PSSR upscaling and anti-aliasing for their PS4 backlog as well as the benefits for PS5 games, or annual sports/shooter players, who just want the latest season pass to run smoother or maybe look slightly better? If PSSR can easily improve PS4 games, how much more noticeable is that improvement, compared to the demos they've set up to show of improved frame-rates in mostly PS5 remasters of PS4 games? If we don't see many PS4 games getting PS5 Pro features, will that effect PS5 Pro console sales? Considering half of PlayStation's active users are still using a PS4, shouldn't improvements to PS4 games be a selling point? How many of those players have been waiting for the PS5 Pro model to upgrade to? There aren't that many PS5 games, that aren't also available on the PS4. There are a lot of PS4 games that don't have a native PS5 version and will never get a full remaster/remake. Shouldn't their goal be to convince PS4 owners to migrate to PS5? Wouldn't pseudo-remastering a large portion of PS4 games, by upgrading to the PS5 Pro, be its strongest selling point for the largest number of potential customers? Is it just me?
actually, if you do the math, you will realize its not that much I mean you are getting a 2tb SSD along with 4k @60fps, people do spend a lot on PCs so why not on a pro console.
Have they said anything about Astro Bot getting a pro upgrade? I know it doesn't really need it, it runs beautifully as it is, but it would be cool if we could maybe get higher than 60fps out if it.
Team Asobi wasn't at this event - but there was a TON of Astro Bot stuff all over the building. Full sized astrobot robot statues with blinking eyes, posters, elevator decals, etc. They looove astrobot over there lol. I'm sure it will get an update for 120fps or something with PS5Pro if it doesn't already have it.
The one big thing no one has mentioned in the reviews is Wi-Fi 7. That alone to me is at least worth a consideration to upgrade. Trade in your PS5 and you won't be hit with the $700, maybe it'll cost you $400-$500.
Sony are banking on you not losing your physical copies but either rebuying them completely or again forking out more for a drive unit and stand. You may aswell buy a pc at this point in gaming Its essentially what consoles are anyway in architecture now and the way they're going with the mid gen upgrades Good vid though :)
The improvements offered by the PS5 Pro seem to be achievable through software optimization or updates on the base PS5, making it questionable whether the upgrade is worth the cost.
700 bucks isn't really that bad when you consider how much a PS5 costs, and how much it costs to upgrade or buy an external storage. the lack of a disc drive is a real bummer as I think I want a PS5 as a multi-purpose blu-ray player now
Yeah the argument that the increased storage offsets the price increase is negligible when considering they didn’t include the disk drive. Just swapped one thing for the other.
if you have a halfway descent base pc, you can get an rtx 4080 for the same price as the PRO with everything that should come with it, which absolutely murders the PS5 PRO in fidelity and performance in every way
That's an interesting argument. It only works if you just so happen to already have a PC with a PSU that supports a higher end GPU + a CPU and ram that won lt bottleneck performance.
Nothing at this showcase. I imagine the same improvements apply, pssr will greatly improve rendering speeds and developers can tap into that extra power to improve existing and future psvr2 experiences
so basically, if i buy a ps5 pro and leave it at performance i should be lock a 120fps? i don't care about 4k to be honest, i want more fps and less pop in/longer draw distance. is it worth it? tlou2 runs around 80fps with a lot of pop in, will it solve it?
Yes to fixing pop-in, no to 120fps. Games wont just auto-scale to 120. Some are more demanding than others. The goal of ps5pro is to make the new ps5pro mode more ideal than "performance" mode. The performance of performance mode with the quality of quality mode. Expect little if any changes to pre-existing modes
The screen your running it on also matters, I think where it makes sense for is the kinda person who spent money on a flagship TV in recent years plus they likely have the money for it. People who have an 4 year or older TV or a more budget TV with basic specs & features might not take full advantage of the extra perks the Pro would bring.
Absolutely going to skip this POS (my opinion). This generation of consoles and games has left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m going to spend my money on a gaming PC this holiday season 🎉🎉
Good choice, you won't regret it. Few pieces of advice: 1: Use PCPartsPicker! Great site that lets you pick out parts to see what goes into a PC and will check compatability for you. Also helps you see where you can get parts for the best prices. 2: If you aren't doing video editing or 3D rendering and such, use a motherboard and CPU with the AM5 Chipset. Ryzen CPUs give similar or better gaming performance at lower price points than Intel CPUs, don't have the massive instability problems of 13/14th Gen Intel CPUs and the chipset is supported for much longer. In 5 or 6 years you can just buy a new CPU, slot it in and sell your old one. No need to buy a new motherboard. 3: Don't overspend in unimportant areas. There are great value options for PSUs, SSDs, cooling, Memory, etc. and those barely affect performance. Your mobo, CPU, GPU are the most important parts. 4: Go to PCBuilder on Reddit or Discord for help. People there will help you out to get the right parts for what you want and with building it. If you're on Discord I'd be happy to connect and help you out.
Same getting a sweet build from op sys nice 650e Asrock Taichi board with a ryzen 7800x3d and a sapphire nitro 7900gre I only game at 1440p to me that’s the sweet spot for frames and clarity plus aesthetically it’s a great looking card
In Europe if you want the PS5 pro + stand + the mandatory bluray player if you have a physical collection you're in for 920€!! (almost 1000€) that's 1024$ for a freaking console!!! they lost their mind. Nobody but extremely wealthy people are going to buy that console. I know I won't buy it until it's 500$ WITH the bluray player. For 1000$ I can get a RTX 4080 SUPER that is roughly twice the power of a PS5 Pro or a full blown PC with all its components. Enough said.
That's a shitty comparison! You'll end up with one a graphics card then. The PS5 PRO is a complete unit and for the price you'll also get a UHD player for your 4k movies. A complete 4080 PC is at least 2800 euroes so more than 3 times the money as the PRO and then you'll still need mouse and keyboard! The PRO comes with a controller.
In Norway, it will cost 10190 NOK = 966 dollar US. And the disc drive cost 142,13 US dollar. So it will be expensive in the "best" country in the world! Btw. Good film!
lol man said he’ll go back to having even less options on an even more expensive platform. This is coming from someone who has an 4080 rig btw, and you’re in for a rude awakening.
@@dinerenblancc No he's not. At this point I actually regret getting PS5. Nothing too interesting here. This generation is just a placeholder for the next with all the problems in 2020, terrible strategy decisions that need to be corrected, and this will take time. Sony will put something out here and there to not piss people off too much, but will save the best for the PS6, also to have enough of strong titles for the premiere.
@@Terrylovesjougurtnothing to interesting? Ghosts of Yotei, Wolverine, mafia old country, resident evil 9, death stranding 2, Hell is us, GTA 6? Man stop the BS
What I want to know is can we install an internal ssd like with the other PlayStation 5 models that came with 1TB but after software updates you get something like 668GB. Even tho the Pro will be 2TB(at last lol) can we add our M.2 internal ssd so it will 4TB in total. Which will be 2TB from the console and then our 2TB ssd from my old PS5. Can that be done ??? As nothing been said if we can upgrade the ssd. Thanks
There was one on a few stations but it was this tiny little thing in the bottom right corner and seemed to be tracking frame times, not framerates. Looked like a debug tool to watch for any major dips.
The reality is to appreciate this hardware this is going to be aimed at those 65" and larger screen consumers who will be able to appreciate the improvements on a large canvas, I have to admit I'm kinda thinking of upgrading from 65" to 77" 8K the moment there is a price drop just to justify getting a PS5 Pro
Damn an 8k would be a hell of a flex. I don't have any plans to go 8K anytime soon. 65'' is the largest panel i have. Now an 8k projector? That might be interesting
pls, nick, youre the best comparison videos are di best. Silent hill 2 vs original and silent hill 2 vs resident evil 2 would be videos of the channel p.s. love youre videos keep up the good work
so the pro will boost all existing games ? from wath i know if elden ring struggle in some areas with 45-55 fps with this pro game will be 60 fps stable ?
$700 dollars for a system that doesn't come with a disc drive. The drive itself will probably rub you about 85 with tax. Not only that it's not a HUGE upgrade from the base ps5 if we being honest.
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Quick Correction:
The starting price is $699.99. I mistakenly say "$69.99". The correct price is still shown on screen.
Heh.. $69.99
PS5 Pro for $69.99 would be steal lol
Nice
I was hoping you were going to say something new.
I'd be so happy if it was for 69.99
"hehehe"
Im glad Sony recognizes your high quality journalism.
Shouldn't a console that's for enthusiasts come with a disc drive? Shouldn't a pro console not be missing features of the non-pro model? This is a genuine head scratcher.
Sadly, I think the industry is just trying to steer us away from physical media in general. So many games aren't even getting physical releases at launch anymore. It's really annoying
@@Nick930 On PC it is happened many decades ago when Steam got strong player base. Even worse when exclusive launchers not available any more my quick example is Bioshock only way to launch the game from DVD is to patch it or get pirated copy. Very sad but we are going to owning nothing future.
@@NotOftenPoliteGuy Not wonder I see more and more people pirating their games and jailbreaking their consoles
@kevinbarbeau this happened way more before. Why you acting like it's a new trend if anything it's happening less nowadays
Then go get one. Not that complicated.
Why 8k? I don't get this industry anymore, I own over 1k games, and still find rtx not worth the performance drop and play at 1440p, I have a 4k monitor and rarely can see the difference. They have no clue what consumers want anymore, they just want innovation, I dont want ai, upscaling, framegen, 8k, or realism, I want video games with good stories and fun gameplay. I want character.
From what I heard, Polyphony who made GT series love to try experimental features foe their games and 8k is one of the experimental feature they are trying to use for GT7
These consoles can't even run native 4k 30 yet & they talking about 8k 😂😂😂 I'll stick with my base PS5 that I barely even use because Sony too busy making more consoles & remakes & remasters of PS4 games that aint even 10 years old yet instead of new video games, smh..
You are just one of a few. There are some who prefers 4k rather than 2k. And there are some who prefers RTX. The console was made to cater everyone, not just a few.
@@macoi3008 Consumers want good games, I am not unique for that. I did not say I don't like 4k, what I was saying is that 8k is a minority need and low priority. Tech companies are blind and disconnected, they are getting more greedy, more reckless, and more careless, at least towards consumers, as time goes on.
@@drakolord But Gran Turismo is a good game. I don't see why the developer shouldn't provide an 8k option.
You can't even include a fucking plastic stand on a premium *PRO* console? Wow.
don’t buy it simple.
did apple do it, with the 1000 dollar stand
@@vsplash5270yeah get a pc.
I stands upright without one. Just don't buy it.
Place horizontal instead then.
this is the realest ps5 pro video
Yup gonna get it can't wait helps devs push the hardware! :) fits me big huge 4k tv!
It's basically criminal that they are setting the same actual numerical cost for both USD and GBP. We are effectively paying £175 (or $233) more for the console - an absolute disgrace.
it is cheaper in countries that get sunlight.
did you see in euro is 800 instead of 700? :D
@@CosminTrica 800 euros is about £667, so cheaper than in the UK but yes, still not great.
In Europe and UK, is it the listed price+taxes? Or is that the final price out of the door? In the US, it's 700+ taxes. (Still would be cheaper than 700pounds though.)
Yeah they do the same thing with games that are 70£. They really should be 60£
I'm sticking to full generation releases only, bought the PS5 back in 2020 so will be holding out for the PS6
There's no such thing as next generation gaming these days it was before. Its refinement mostly now.
@@Eric-v9i9c Bingo
@@Eric-v9i9cwell no, ps6 only games won’t run on ps5/ps5 pro… bingo… a new generation.
Same
@@amnrilit will be 2032 before ps6 only games. We barely got a few ps5 only games as of now 2024. 4 years later
You should do a direct comparison of my wallet before and after buying the pro. Kidding, this is a luxury item and I got rent and bills lol
You nailed it, it's for enthusiasts, it's not for everyone.
I’ll wait my bank account says not soon buddy
I’m not paying 800€ for more detailed draw distance. I’m happy with my PS5. Gonna wait for PS6
Wait another 5 years then 🤣
I think I agree with you. It's not a huge difference, is it?
@@danielrwanki5826 its not worth it if you already have a ps5. The price is too big for something slightly improved. My recommendation is wait for ps6 or get a normal ps5 if you dont have one, you can get it at 1/3 of the price of the Pro, brand new.
I agree, it would not be worth it just for a more detailed draw distance, but you are not being honest with yourself and conveniently forget it doubles the frame rate to 60fps, adds higher res texture detail and adds superior ray tracing. Sniping with a scope at 30fps means you have to stop panning in order to see your target due to blur and stutter. That was fine when there was no alternative, but at 60fps you can see the target clearly as you pan, allowing you to shoot on the fly.
@@itsjusterthought7941 you still have performance mode on normal ps5 to get those 60fps
the only thing stopping me to buy ps5 pro is the price.
Get ya money up... you still have time.
@@Jay_Walker92save your money and wait for the ps6, i think you are not missing that much, probly 2027 or 2028 release date.
@@kahunasealI have my ps5 but I will get pc for the first time time because of the price of the pro
It’s Sony’S fault you broke and single 🤡😂🤣
@@UltramarineDad broke? he probably has high end pc
I havent heard anyone begging for a mid gen upgrade like they were last gen this wasnt needed yet.
Its insane these consoles have been out for years and no price cuts yet and then the pro is coming out at an absolutely insane price for a console. This is a dang playstaiton not a gaming pc.
If you dont own PS5 yet, Pro makes sense. But if you have PS5 already..then you already spend 1200e, so not easy choice and we need see more user reviews.
Or you can sell the base and buy the Pro.
OR, maybe it's awesome that the slim is on sale now because of this thing, and thus a better bargain for the newcomers like myself?
The PS5Pro addresses the core weaknesses of the PS5 platform, specifically the AI and ray tracing, but Sony really should have shown it off with games designed for it. I've no issues with the price tag, but marketing a 700 dollar console using games most played and beat years ago is a tough sell.
That’s actually a great idea. I’m desperate to see Wolverine and that would’ve been a great example since it’s Insomniac and they always kill it when it comes to maximizing the hardware’s capabilities.
Yeah I mean it'd definitely a tough sell. I might get it honestly. Especially for gta 6.
this should've been the original ps5
True mate 😄
That would have been impossible.
Well said 👍
Devs/corpos are the problem, not console. Just look at spiderman 2. Ratchet and clank literally looks like a animated movie from 8-10 years ago. Also don't forget it's the first console generation to have such a high jump in resolution. We had jumps between 360p-1080p in the span of like 10 years and now it's suddenly 1080p to 2160p. There's no chance it will work seamlessly
I agree the series x already has game boost on old game adding hdr and stuff seems like PlayStation is just now doing it
I was going to buy a family member a PS5 for Christmas this year and upgrade my own PS5's storage. Instead, I've opted to pre-order a PS5 Pro and give my current PS5 to them. Ends up being about the same cost, but I also get an upgrade.
I've done the same. Win win all round
$69.99 is a great price for ps5 pro btw
$49.99.. man, I miss the PS2 days
I saw a ps5 and ps5 pro comparison. They was looking at, The last of us 2. The grass was blurry on the pro but clear on the base ps5. On the pro, Do have the option to turn off and on PSSR? Or is it always on? Also, you mentioned the pro having a versatility mode? The base ps5 has a fidelity and pro mode... what modes does the pro have?? Thanks for the video!
@@realtalk2528 The grass was in no way "blurrier" on PS5Pro when I saw it. They specifically showed me how much more crisp and clean PSSR made the grass and vegetation look during the demo. Aliasing on abandoned vehicles and distant objects was also cleaned up. Maybe they mistakenly swapped their footage in that comparison? Because that doesn't seem right.
Even still - there is an option to swap to the old 30fps fidelity mode and 60fps performance modes like before. They're basically just adding a new PRO option. The "Versatility" mode I mentioned is just what Square Enix calls their "PS5Pro Mode" for Final Fantasy 7. Most, if not all the games I tested had some kind of new Pro setting in the menus. But it's on a per-game basis still, and Hogwarts Legacy is one example where all 3 modes will now use PSSR.
@@Nick930 3:52 you said 69.99 as the price btw
The games that are not optimized for the Pro. Will they still play and look better? I know the pro has way more Teraflops than the ps5 and Xbox. Have a series x but want to play games like dbz Sparking Zero on the best console. The Xbox is fine but notthing compares to playstation controllers! I hoping that the Pro out performs the series X in EVERY category!
They could have added PSSR to PS5 and i bet the games would have looked and ran better.
Quick answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooo.
What? This video gave the opposite impression
It did?
😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@Nick930
lmao that's actually funny
though I really don't thing 700$ is too much for such a gaming machine, if it really can achieve what they're saying.
@@Nick930 indeed. Games run and look better. Not everyone needs it, but for those who are interested.
A good upgrade.
Currently own a PS4 Pro and was planning to skip the 5 straight to the Pro but God damn I'm not spending €800 for this thing.
bro same, 800 plus 130 for the disc drive and 30 for the vertical atand comes to 960.... thats genuinely getting into decent pc territory.
That's 920€ in europe with the stand and bluray player.
You can if you really want it a couple of odd jobs on the corner 😏
@@mosthated8848nah, your mom has that covered
This was what I was going to do, I got series X on a good deal but god damn, the pro just doesn't seem worth it, may just stick to the base ps5
Hey man, do you know if the HDMI port supports higher bandwidth this time around or is it still capped to 32 gbps?
That's a good question, I'm not sure. But the ps5 should already support at least 48GBps bandwidth as it can support up to 8k 60fps, and considering i was shown 8k at 60fps, I imagine this port should be the same. It's an HDMI 2.1, im not sure where you're getting the capped 32gb from
@@Nick930 Thanks for the response. A bit hard to explain in a comment, but if you Google you'll find more about it. Essentially PS5 limits the HDMI bandwidth for whatever reason (even though the ports should be capable) and with 4K 120 output the colour space drops to 4:2:2 as a result, it can only do 4:4:4 at 60 Hz. This has always bothered me and was hoping they fixed it for the Pro.
@@vincentkentermusic Interesting - I'll see if I can ask a representative and get an answer for you. If not, I'll try and test for it in my final review.
@@Nick930 Much appreciated, thanks! Keep up the great content
The plates are not compatible.
If you got a 5....
Keep it
If you don't have a 5....
Get the 5 slim disk version!
You ain't losing nothing!
You just loose eyesight due to how low res/blurry a lot games are on standard PS5. Image quality as been a big issue this gen, TAA makes some games in 4k look worse than 1080p ps4 games.
@@claudiovic88only if the game is optimized poorly. Horizon forbidden west, hogwarts legacy, spider man 2, ratchet and clank and god of war still looks beautiful
@@merathe9391Tbf the games you mentioned were upscaled PS4 games with the exception of Spiderman and Ratchet and Clank. The only problem with those two is the fact that they are PS exclusives which makes it easier to be optimized for the PS5 than 3rd party games, and they both use the same exact assets from the previous games. They wasn’t built from the ground up.
@@RhonteaBennett-xo3ifDon’t ps5 owners buy it for exclusivity? Not to mention only a few games will be fully optimized for ps5 pro version.
@@nazarethproductions7095how do you know ONLY a few games will be fully optimized for the pro?🤔🤔🤷🏾♂️
Moral of the story, you won’t see a difference unless they’re sitting side by side and you won’t have a disc drive unless you want to pay extra. Hard pass.
Do you imagine ps2 lauch with a ps1 at the side so you can see the diference? Crazy
@@alejandrooro9932 id argue people would have been even more freaked out
@@ripewatermelonlolyeah
Will the pro boost the psvr2?
Wasn’t planning on picking it up, and just pre ordered it. My kids will love the original PS5 after the pro arrives. Life is good when you work hard for things you like.
Thank you... This is EXACTLY how I feel about it...I get $700 is a lot but it's a premium console but some of us just want the best and are fortunate enough to be able to afford it
At this price point, many of us are working our butts off and still cannot afford it.
I didn’t buy a PS5 specifically for the pro so it’s worth it for me. But I understand why most others don’t want to get it
Yeah it’s like buying a iPhone 16 when you have the 14/15 it’s just not worth it but if your coming from the 13 or older it just makes sense
I said the same thing before they revealed the price. The ps4 pro was $550 at launch.
@@jariusspear true it is a price shock but at the same time if their buying their ps5 this late into the console cycle they more than likely won’t buy the ps6 at launch which means they’ll use the ps5 pro for a decent amount of time before upgrading.
Same. I was planning on getting a PS5 for christmas so I'm gonna get the pro instead of the base version.
@@patrick22014if it doesn’t sell out for 6 months?!
I hope scalpers get stuck sitting on these things until the PS6 comes out
I think that the price is like this, specifically to rule out scalpers from the equation.
The only thing keeping me from buying a PS5 Pro is my perfectly working PS5 with a disc drive included.
$700 for a machine that upscales performance modes.
And runs games.
*No. :)*
If you purchase the Blu-ray drive, does it enhance the movies?
The pro version and its price alone are not absurd, if you choose to build a PC with similar configurations you will realize that the console is not expensive. The real absurdity is to sell separately a disc player and a piece of plastic so that the sonsole can stand upright.
You're forgetting that on PC you aren't paying a regular fee which can be over $100 a year to use your own internet, and games on PC are less expensive. Especially when you factor in sales, bundles and steam key stores.
In the last little while I've gotten 8 games plus DLCs for about $90 CAD with tax. That's the cost of a single new game on console. 💸
@@OOOcannal what are you talking about? the 4060 alone beats the PS5 Pro
Shouldn’t the PSSR can be avaliable for the base Ps5 as well ?
GPU not powerful enough. PSSR uses hardware instead of software to upscale.
@@redfirefox3568 :(
Great video! Though it hasn't changed my mind on considering buying this console or an 8K display lol
As a developer, I dont understand why people think that PS5 Pro will mean consumers won't have to choose between "Performance" and Fidelity.
A higher framerate isn't uncompromised magic. There are only 2 ways it would remove the fidelity option.
1. Sony creates a developer mandate that dictates how they're allowed to use the hardware and must reserve enough resources to hit 60fps
2. No ps5 pro games will actually focus on the hardware, rather it'll be akin to a ps5 version of a ps4 focused title. I.e they'll target ps5 base and use the additional resources to focus on framerate and sharpen the resolution somewhat.
Realistically, the reality will probably be what it always has been. Developers will build games that fit their vision. Some games don't require you to push the hardware as much, thus 60fps is more achievable. But for developers that need to push the hardware, especially as the generation goes on, 30fps will start becoming the norm as developers push the hardware more
As a PC gamer who got an RTX4090 and QD-OLED TV, i quickly learned how immersive and gorgeous raytracing is..
When i heard the PS5 Pro was going to get a large uplift to RT, I was excited to see a lot more people get access to this amazing technology.
Further, DLSS is a monster tech that every tech company should aspire to. That said, Sony is a master at upscaling TV and streaming content - i immediately knew PSSR would be a great competitor down the road, if not right away.
The PS5 Pro is a monster.
You're drunk sir 😂😂
Sony will match dlss for sure, but shitty cpu is a no buy
It should come with a dualsense edge
PSSR should've been made with the base PS5 since DLSS was a thing before the PS5. Instead, they relied on FSR because it's cheaper but there was signs that FSR is gonna be left behind in the competition, Sony always paywall good features that clearly could've been done earlier.
1) DLSS isnt open Source like FSR, so its exclusive to Nvidia GPUs
2) Sony relies on cheaper solutioks but the usage of FSR its due toit being open source, not to mention the PS5/XSX have AMD iGPUs
3) PSSR its just FSR3 rebranded
@desangrador5770 PSSR is indeed based on FSR but the results speaks for themselves, they look different enough.
Sony could've made their own from scratch years ago with their $400m but they spent and wasted that on something else.
If youre playing your console in a 65" screen (or less) and sitting on your couch 8 feet away, you will not tell the difference.
I got a 75” ima be happy w the purchase.
@@martindominguez1518 let me know how it is. I got the $$$ but wanna wait.
I can live without the disc drive, but I'm gonna build a stand out of cardboard paper.
I dont even use a stand for my ps5 why are people so upset about it
@@saintlikegrimm It's mainly because the original PS5 came with a stand included with the console, so many feel that Sony is basically ripping people off by now making the stand a seperate purchase.
@saintlikegrimm
Exactly I never bought a stand mine sits sideways just like my Xbox Series X. Not one problem at launch tho if you cut the power to the PS5 with a disk in it. Once you cut it back on the disk will not eject but, they release firmware to fix that issue within a week.
@@kevinbarbeauthe stand of the og is so awful too. The one you buy for pro/slim actually appears to be solid
@@PapaShubz Both stands are actually pretty much the same. They are both attached to the console with a screw and despite the PS5 Slim stand having this outer ring, they actually have about the same surface area, the slim being slightly larger, but yeah they are not that different.
USB type A not on the front anymore? Hmmm, my wireless headset connects that way, and when I've used the back I've had interference.....
Buy a usb converter.
Got my disc drive and my stand so I'm locked in and ready to go...pro gang stand up we in there.💪🏿
If you have the vertical stand it won't fit the pro lol they will release a pro vertical stand after pro comes out Sony has designed a new vertical stand specifically for this updated model due to slight differences in dimensions
60 fps, high graphic fidelity and ray tracing.
I dont use physical discs, I dont use the stand. I save money having upgrade the M.2 SSD drive. Placed my pre order for ps5 pro and I am content with my order
So as somebody who pre-ordered and purchased a disk drive what kind of horizontal stand will end up being needed??
I'd assume that most people, in the market for this, already have an M.2 or at least own PS4 games they still want to play. PS4 games take up a bunch of extra space, in the other category, when installed on the main SSD, for some reason. If you plan on playing multiple PS4 games, you're going to want an M.2 or at least an external drive. If you've got physical games, in your collection, you're going to need a disc drive to play them.
Offering the Pro, with a larger SSD and no disc drive, seems to appeal to people who only play annual sports/shooter games and maybe a few new games here or there. Keeping the main storage at 1TB, including the disc drive and promoting PSSR functionality for PS4 games, would have appealed to collectors and the 50% of PlayStation users who are still on PS4/Pro.
Which group is more likely to go out and buy a PS5 Pro?
Collectors and active PS4 owners, who want to utilize PSSR upscaling and anti-aliasing for their PS4 backlog as well as the benefits for PS5 games, or annual sports/shooter players, who just want the latest season pass to run smoother or maybe look slightly better?
If PSSR can easily improve PS4 games, how much more noticeable is that improvement, compared to the demos they've set up to show of improved frame-rates in mostly PS5 remasters of PS4 games?
If we don't see many PS4 games getting PS5 Pro features, will that effect PS5 Pro console sales?
Considering half of PlayStation's active users are still using a PS4, shouldn't improvements to PS4 games be a selling point?
How many of those players have been waiting for the PS5 Pro model to upgrade to?
There aren't that many PS5 games, that aren't also available on the PS4. There are a lot of PS4 games that don't have a native PS5 version and will never get a full remaster/remake. Shouldn't their goal be to convince PS4 owners to migrate to PS5? Wouldn't pseudo-remastering a large portion of PS4 games, by upgrading to the PS5 Pro, be its strongest selling point for the largest number of potential customers?
Is it just me?
PS5 PRO $700 is a scam from SONY.
Insert white cat with headphones bobbing his head gif 😂 Loved the Astrobot music!
Have you heard back about the compatibility on the slim plates to the pro plates?
Wow I am impressed!! I can see the improvements. I won't be getting a Pro but u love what I saw.
actually, if you do the math, you will realize its not that much I mean you are getting a 2tb SSD along with 4k @60fps, people do spend a lot on PCs so why not on a pro console.
Have they said anything about Astro Bot getting a pro upgrade? I know it doesn't really need it, it runs beautifully as it is, but it would be cool if we could maybe get higher than 60fps out if it.
Team Asobi wasn't at this event - but there was a TON of Astro Bot stuff all over the building. Full sized astrobot robot statues with blinking eyes, posters, elevator decals, etc. They looove astrobot over there lol. I'm sure it will get an update for 120fps or something with PS5Pro if it doesn't already have it.
@@Nick930 Right on, that would be awesome, thanks.
Does the plates come off the same way as the slim?
The one big thing no one has mentioned in the reviews is Wi-Fi 7. That alone to me is at least worth a consideration to upgrade. Trade in your PS5 and you won't be hit with the $700, maybe it'll cost you $400-$500.
Sony are banking on you not losing your physical copies but either rebuying them completely or again forking out more for a drive unit and stand.
You may aswell buy a pc at this point in gaming
Its essentially what consoles are anyway in architecture now and the way they're going with the mid gen upgrades
Good vid though :)
The improvements offered by the PS5 Pro seem to be achievable through software optimization or updates on the base PS5, making it questionable whether the upgrade is worth the cost.
The wither 3 ray tracing mode can run 60fps? Or
Ps5 pro only run 60fps quality mode for certain games?
Do I need a stand to place the PS5 Pro horizontally instead of vertically?
It comes with a simple one.
700 bucks isn't really that bad when you consider how much a PS5 costs, and how much it costs to upgrade or buy an external storage.
the lack of a disc drive is a real bummer as I think I want a PS5 as a multi-purpose blu-ray player now
I can’t wait to get mine man
Yeah the argument that the increased storage offsets the price increase is negligible when considering they didn’t include the disk drive. Just swapped one thing for the other.
Plus...the disc drives are rare in the extreme.
if you have a halfway descent base pc, you can get an rtx 4080 for the same price as the PRO with everything that should come with it, which absolutely murders the PS5 PRO in fidelity and performance in every way
That's an interesting argument. It only works if you just so happen to already have a PC with a PSU that supports a higher end GPU + a CPU and ram that won lt bottleneck performance.
@Nick930 RTX 4060-3060Ti/RX 7600-6700 > PS5 Pro
is really that simple. You dont need a top of the line GPU to beat a low-budget iGPU
Top quality content as expected. Bravo!
Hyped for launch day. Let’s go!
You know I’m all for physical media but if buying a seperate drive is the only option for PS6 I’ll accept that vs no drive at all
Nothing about psvr2 working with it..?
Nothing at this showcase. I imagine the same improvements apply, pssr will greatly improve rendering speeds and developers can tap into that extra power to improve existing and future psvr2 experiences
I just want to say that this feels like we are just entering next gen. Like this is the beginning of PS5
so basically, if i buy a ps5 pro and leave it at performance i should be lock a 120fps? i don't care about 4k to be honest, i want more fps and less pop in/longer draw distance. is it worth it? tlou2 runs around 80fps with a lot of pop in, will it solve it?
Yes to fixing pop-in, no to 120fps. Games wont just auto-scale to 120. Some are more demanding than others. The goal of ps5pro is to make the new ps5pro mode more ideal than "performance" mode.
The performance of performance mode with the quality of quality mode. Expect little if any changes to pre-existing modes
The screen your running it on also matters, I think where it makes sense for is the kinda person who spent money on a flagship TV in recent years plus they likely have the money for it. People who have an 4 year or older TV or a more budget TV with basic specs & features might not take full advantage of the extra perks the Pro would bring.
Absolutely going to skip this POS (my opinion). This generation of consoles and games has left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m going to spend my money on a gaming PC this holiday season 🎉🎉
@@Layla-p2h Exactly!! Looking forward to it!
Good choice, you won't regret it.
Few pieces of advice:
1: Use PCPartsPicker! Great site that lets you pick out parts to see what goes into a PC and will check compatability for you. Also helps you see where you can get parts for the best prices.
2: If you aren't doing video editing or 3D rendering and such, use a motherboard and CPU with the AM5 Chipset. Ryzen CPUs give similar or better gaming performance at lower price points than Intel CPUs, don't have the massive instability problems of 13/14th Gen Intel CPUs and the chipset is supported for much longer. In 5 or 6 years you can just buy a new CPU, slot it in and sell your old one. No need to buy a new motherboard.
3: Don't overspend in unimportant areas. There are great value options for PSUs, SSDs, cooling, Memory, etc. and those barely affect performance. Your mobo, CPU, GPU are the most important parts.
4: Go to PCBuilder on Reddit or Discord for help. People there will help you out to get the right parts for what you want and with building it.
If you're on Discord I'd be happy to connect and help you out.
Same getting a sweet build from op sys nice 650e Asrock Taichi board with a ryzen 7800x3d and a sapphire nitro 7900gre I only game at 1440p to me that’s the sweet spot for frames and clarity plus aesthetically it’s a great looking card
@@Layla-p2hexactly no fees and great steam and gog sales and get to play games that ain’t on Xbox or PlayStation too
I will sell my base ps5 and xbox series, and i will stick with my pc.
In Europe if you want the PS5 pro + stand + the mandatory bluray player if you have a physical collection you're in for 920€!! (almost 1000€) that's 1024$ for a freaking console!!! they lost their mind. Nobody but extremely wealthy people are going to buy that console. I know I won't buy it until it's 500$ WITH the bluray player. For 1000$ I can get a RTX 4080 SUPER that is roughly twice the power of a PS5 Pro or a full blown PC with all its components. Enough said.
That's a shitty comparison! You'll end up with one a graphics card then. The PS5 PRO is a complete unit and for the price you'll also get a UHD player for your 4k movies. A complete 4080 PC is at least 2800 euroes so more than 3 times the money as the PRO and then you'll still need mouse and keyboard! The PRO comes with a controller.
One smart comment on this channel!
In Norway, it will cost 10190 NOK = 966 dollar US. And the disc drive cost 142,13 US dollar. So it will be expensive in the "best" country in the world! Btw. Good film!
Hey Nick, I miss your comparison videos and can’t wait to watch you breakdown and compare God of War Ragnarok pc vs PS5
Is there going to be a ps5 pro version that we have do download?
Im not hearing a whole lot about Variable Refresh Rate. Is this PSSR gonna support unlocked fps? Anyone know? Thank you
I have a 4tb ssd ready for my ps5 pro I ordered. The price for everything was no issue for me.
Can you please confirm if the PS5 slim plates will work with the PS5 Pro.
Yes they do!!!
After 12 years on console, I guess I'll just keep my PS4 Pro and go back to PC gaming.
Major downside to PC gaming remains the cheaters online. It's gotten so much worse since the 2010s.
lol man said he’ll go back to having even less options on an even more expensive platform. This is coming from someone who has an 4080 rig btw, and you’re in for a rude awakening.
@@dinerenblancc No he's not. At this point I actually regret getting PS5. Nothing too interesting here. This generation is just a placeholder for the next with all the problems in 2020, terrible strategy decisions that need to be corrected, and this will take time. Sony will put something out here and there to not piss people off too much, but will save the best for the PS6, also to have enough of strong titles for the premiere.
@@Terrylovesjougurtnothing to interesting? Ghosts of Yotei, Wolverine, mafia old country, resident evil 9, death stranding 2, Hell is us, GTA 6? Man stop the BS
@@Nick930 yes! this is why i don't PVP on pc
How loud is the fan under full load? Did you notice any coil whine?
i couldnt check that, they had the ps5pro and ps5 base hidden inside cabinets at the event
@@Nick930 thanks for clarifying
What I want to know is can we install an internal ssd like with the other PlayStation 5 models that came with 1TB but after software updates you get something like 668GB. Even tho the Pro will be 2TB(at last lol) can we add our M.2 internal ssd so it will 4TB in total. Which will be 2TB from the console and then our 2TB ssd from my old PS5. Can that be done ??? As nothing been said if we can upgrade the ssd. Thanks
Are the white plates matte on both the upper and lower plates? Because the slim one has glossy plates on top and matte on the bottom.
Hm I think theyre both matte white, i don't remember seeing a glossy side.
if GTA VI can somehow do 60 with PSSR, ill buy it until the PC version comes out. If they both run 30, im getting the base version
Im willing to bet 60fps gta6 will be part of ps5pro next year. I hope so at least
@@Nick930nope
PSSR could run on ps5 too, just look at amds FSR, this also could drive most games on ps5 to 60FPS
Is there a Frame Per Second counter when you are playing?
There was one on a few stations but it was this tiny little thing in the bottom right corner and seemed to be tracking frame times, not framerates. Looked like a debug tool to watch for any major dips.
How will it impact psvr2 if at all?
Will the PS5 Pro be backwards compatible with PS4 games? I'll be buying the disc drive with mine.
Yes, absolutely. Any and all games that play on ps5 currently will work on ps5pro, including ps4
are they upgrading the ethernet port to a 2.5 gig or higher instead of 1 gig since it has wifi 7?
Is the HDMI 2.1 full 48 gbs?
Im not sure on that. Someone else asked, but I dont have a way to verifying yet
Great question
Will the slim stand fit the pro???
According to a post I read from a guy who contacted Sony, they said it will fit.
@@groundhoglife much appreciated!
Pro is good for price with account for inflation but lack of disc drive is concerning
The reality is to appreciate this hardware this is going to be aimed at those 65" and larger screen consumers who will be able to appreciate the improvements on a large canvas, I have to admit I'm kinda thinking of upgrading from 65" to 77" 8K the moment there is a price drop just to justify getting a PS5 Pro
Damn an 8k would be a hell of a flex. I don't have any plans to go 8K anytime soon. 65'' is the largest panel i have.
Now an 8k projector? That might be interesting
pls, nick, youre the best comparison videos are di best. Silent hill 2 vs original and silent hill 2 vs resident evil 2 would be videos of the channel
p.s. love youre videos keep up the good work
so the pro will boost all existing games ? from wath i know if elden ring struggle in some areas with 45-55 fps with this pro game will be 60 fps stable ?
Still 60fps??? Heck my Quest 2 normally run 90fps plus is vr
Got a Series X with nearly 30 tb of games. Already preordered PS5 Pro. I like PS exclusives and the graphics and performance seems to be improved.
Already pre-ordered 🎉
It definitely is looking better in 3rd party comparisons than in Sony’s announcement, but $700 is still steep.
$700 dollars for a system that doesn't come with a disc drive. The drive itself will probably rub you about 85 with tax. Not only that it's not a HUGE upgrade from the base ps5 if we being honest.
Will definitely be picking up a PS5 Pro day one.
No disc drive and that expensive can’t believe they don’t even throw in the stand wow