Unfortunately, a growing percentage of "gamers" buy something new and pretty to play it for a couple hours and never touch it again because they already bought another new thing to play. The market caters to those addicted to small dopamine rushes of buying something new. Quality is not the primary concern.
This is because the vast majority of PC gamers don’t own a PC that is even close to ‘PC master race build’. Plenty of PS5 games run at or near native 4K. With the best example being GT7 which runs at native 4K @ 80fps on base PS5 and locked 120fps @ native 4K on PS5 Pro.
Same here. They always yell about graphics which are nice. However most people care about game play and if the game is fun. The switch only does 1080p in the dock. Twitch can only handle 1080p so all the popular streams people are watching they o ly watching at 1080p.
What we need are stable framerates. It's all dandy now that the vanilla ps5 games can get locked at 60, but how long until games come out developed with the ps5 pro in mind to deliver a stunning, high fidelity yet uneven 30-50fps experience on the ps5 pro and basically run in blurry slide-show mode on the vanilla ps5? Oh just wait, backwards compatibility of the future ps6 will solve all these low framerates that we can expect in these future ps5 pro titles. And the cycle will continue on and on where developers care more about image quality than reliable performance.
Especially since the precedent seemed to be set last gen, that the base model would get a price cut and the pro model would be sold around the price of the original launch of the base system. Not the case anymore I guess.
PSSR is why you buy the Pro. It gives you a significant boost in frames. As more PSSR games are released, PS5 base will be "missing out" on that boost it provides games. Going from 30 fps to 60 fps is doubling the frames while still maintaining a high fidelity image
There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for anybody to target 8k for games. Especially considering that these consoles can barely do 4k at 60fps in newer games. even PCs have an issue with it for things like SH2 Remake. Games need to get better optimized/have some bugs fixed instead of just abandoning them and letting the horsepower of a system deal with potential slowdowns. Target higher refresh rates instead of higher resolutions. There's barely even 0.01% of the TV market out there that even does 8k stuff, there's zero reason why a game console needs to be in that list when there are SO MANY OTHER THINGS that can be done instead.
With how popular competitive gaming is nowadays you would think the devs & console makers would have enough sense to optimize their games for performance over resolution but it's always been about resolution for consoles unfortunately. Thankfully I'm on PC now but console needs to be min 60+ fps for story games & 120+ for any competitive games.
Well, targetting 60 fps SHOULD be #1 on the list of features. Then you can figure out how much foliage and texture quality is possible with that requirement. Pseudorealism is what is driving developers to sacrifice frame rate.
Optimization definitely does not seem to be on anyone's priority list, gaming or otherwise, unfortunately. I wonder how much Sony could have achieved with an improved set of APIs rather than more hardware.
Dude, it is not a matter of "do they play at 8k" but a matter of "do they output at 8K". In japan, people are geting equiped with 8k TVs. Runing the switch on a 4k TV is a bummer because the interface is big and ugly. Also, there are a ton of indie games that could run at 8k.
On the original boxes you'll see the 8K stamp, but for newer boxes, they (Sony) slowly started to phase that out and you'll find and notice the 8K logo missing on the current models in circulation.
Because, it can't really run 8K. It's false advertising. The consoles are struggling with 4K. Consoles will always have lower processing power compared to computers. No, I'm not being a fanboy. Even graphics card companies oversell (read: lie) their card's abilities and call it "marketing".
@@gamingguy8595 They thought it would have caught on faster. But most people are fine with 1080 - 1440 still, as long as you can maintain, most importantly the frame rate, performance, stability and reliability, and then followed by visual fidelity. Performance hasn't even been fixed and optimised at the 1080p level yet. Games, consoles and systems are still struggling to get certain things to run at 1080p60...
that's interesting because all of the local stores in my area are all sold out. Either way how would scalpers loose money? they can just return it the same was you and I can lol that's just a silly thing to say. Have an awesome day.
I have very little interest in the pro, but I bought a disk drive on the off chance the PS6 supports it. I have a feeling production of the disk drive won't be ongoing for very long.
@@fysl305True, but this is built specifically for the most hardcore PS users, and the most dedicated PS users likely use physical media. And nobody wants LESS options when spending $700
8k always triggers me haha! These consoles can’t even do native 4K. It’s all 1080p or 1440p upscaled to 4K. Great review, thanks mate. I’m a sucker for consoles, so I got a Pro.
The thing is, 4k was a selling point for the PS4 Pro because 4k adoption was actually pretty widespread and base model couldn't do it, and even if games didn't run at 4k games still got access to 1440p or 1800p render resolution etc plus no reliance on the TV handling the upscaling of 1080 to 4k (if using base PS4 on a 4k display). The PS5 already supports 8k, but 8k TV adoption is terrible so even if you believed the Pro could handle 8k better, hardly anyone would even be able to use it (and let's face it PS5 standard nor Pro can do 8k gaming). So yes there's even less reason for the PS5 Pro than there was the PS4 Pro.
@@DriveCancelDC I can hardly see the difference between 1080p and 4k on a large OLED TV. It's mostly jagged edges, if anything. Yea, 4k is nicer, and I prefer that, but not the end of the world. But 8k? I can only imagine it being a scam for rich people, wtf. :-)))
Console guys dividing themselves between Framerate and Resolution camps while all us hot PC guys know exactly which resolution scale value to use, and are always happy to help one another figure it out in our leather short shorts and shirtless jackets
I have few friends who only play consoles and I tried to convert them telling them you can get more fps/resolution and graphics on PC even 60 fps. "no no blah blah blah" Now a few years later he's arguing with other console players about fps/resolution and higher textures.....lol "I want 60 fps!"
@@buffkangaroodog Then Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will be losing my support. But there's ways to play digital games, without wasting money on rentals from Steam.
Thats ok luckily there has been 9 generations worth of games to fall back on, plus i have a huge backlog that will last me a life time worth of entertainment. The future is grim for games anyway @buffkangaroodog
It's factually wrong though, it's pretty awful. I don't know what is going wrong with the IQ in a lot of these clips. It looks washed out and some parts have black crush. Also TLOU has like double the frame rate of the PS5 with fidelity settings so it's far from the worse improvements. It's actually one of the best.
@eggy6857 well the results are on screen and if you check other channels they have similar issues with the pro. It is possible that with a perfect setup you could achieve better results, but the normal consumer would not go the extra mile to research. The fact that you are even able to produce these bad results is a very bad thing. If you buy a premium product you also expect wide compatibility with other hardware (TV/monitor) and software (games)
Developers aren't going to prioritize the console that will have the smallest amount of sales. They didn't even prioritize the relatively cheap PS4 Pro so why would they prioritize the expensive PS5 Pro?
@@TruTrae You would think so... but look at the complaints on PC... where companies like Capcom are making over 50% of their sales... not just the most of any platform, but more then ALL their other platforms combined. yet they still showed Monster Hunter in that beta..... Yeah, get ready to see these developers defy your (admittedly good) reasoning.
@@AssassinIsAfk There is no catching up. You're probably going to see more developers offering 30fps on PS5 with 60fps being marketed as being possible on PS5 Pro.
Pretty sad that the best showcase for improvements is a game that looked and ran like shit on the base PS5 for no reason, paying premium to allow devs to not bother optimizing their games is a terrible deal
So much of the promo material says stuff like '2X the frame-rate' and you read the fine-print and the measured frame-rate is now 54... okay Sony, why was it running at 27fps in the first place?! This is like when Apple release a new iPhone claiming it's 8x faster to launch an app - cos they've spent the last 6 months releasing software updates adding false delays to app launching.
What if I told you there were already 100 games getting Pro enhancement patches, and every game going forward will also support it? There are lots of good reasons to buy a PS5 Pro. It’s ok to admit you were never going to buy it regardless.
Better just to buy a PC. After all, even if it costs a bit more, all the other stuff a PC can do that a PS5 Pro can't and that isn't very nice to do on a phone if that's even possible, is worth it. And of course we don't pay to use the internet we pay our ISPs for.
If it was 50 to 75% faster, I could see it. But right now it shows no noticeable improvement. This is the 32X of this generation. Sony is finally giving us what they promised three years ago
Great, so what you are saying here is that Sony is now going down the path of Sega... Just that instead of being a game company first, they are a hardware company that has IP's that they haven't shown any love since the PS3. I could see this being a downfall, since I don't think anyone is going to buy them out and most of there games are all made out of house studios right now. Ho boy...
Not even close, the 32X didn't provide enhancements to existing games (there was very few ports but you would still have to buy the game again also there was like 5 or so games released after the thing came out that could be used on just the Sega CD) but it provided brand new games, I doubt we will see any exclusive PS5 Pro games at all; also the 32X came out almost the same year as the Saturn and judging by how long the PS4 pro lasted I would guess that we won't be seeing the PS6 until at least 2027 if we see it at all, I got a hunch that this might be the last console generation as we know it.
Yeah I feel like the existence of these performance refreshes really misses a point... console gamers don't care and they shouldn't care. Leave imperceptible performance differences to the PC crowd, it's fine to care about that stuff of course but it's the kind of geekery that most console gamers don't seem interested in.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the differences are pretty noticeable in the flesh. I'm not saying they're major, but there's a noticeable improvement.
I am a fan of the Xbox to Series X, but I would not defend the Kinect, Online Only to install/play disc games, and the Xbox Avatars. I am glad some Sony fans are telling it like it is for the PS5/Pro.
i see a lot of the positive reviews were provided the console and have links to buy it that are moetized. so not useful. the other reviews are like this one, "meh probably not worth it unless you have money to burn and care about every pixel and have huge TV you sit close to and etc."
@bdizzle9586 Did you fully read their comment? They said this was an honest review, which means the uploader wasn't paid to pretend it is good. But in your case about "it's their money", would you rather buy clothes off Amazon with review knowledge, or buy the product without reading them and learning that the product was smaller than advertised. A better example would be to imagine I wanted to buy GTA3. Now I see the game was removed from the stores so I see a "Remastered" edition of it. I then choose not to see honest reviews of it and I spend my hard earned cash on it. The game is bad, money down drain, bye bye money.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 Jesus, does dumb come free with your cereals. My point is why does the OP and yourself desperately care how strangers spend their money? When you bought your last pair of sneakers, were people concerned’ about your wallet?
Bottom line is: If you already own a PS5 then don't bother with PS5 Pro, If you are purchasing your first PS5 console and have the extra cash to spend get the Pro otherwise also don't bother and get the regular PS5. It is not enough of an improvement to recommend it to everyone outright.
Apparently the PS4 Visual Enhancements only work on PS4 games that run at 1080P or less. The Evil Within 2 has a PS4 Pro patch and I believe it runs above 1080P, which is why you weren’t seeing any results there.
What did you expect ? If a game already runs at 4k, there's nothing to enhance. I personnally love that PS4 games run with the PS4 pro patch on PS5. At least i can play 4k60 games on that damn machine.
@@PyromancerRiftthere is absolutely no difference in the PS4 games on any ps5 console, the pro does absolutely nothing, Xbox is light years ahead in this department
Because none of these games are rendered at 4K, they upscaled to 4K, and even if it was a native 4K, you can use MSAA or render the image 2 or 4 times larger and downscale it to 4K.
PlayStation 6 won't come with those, nor a box. It'll just be a console someone tossed in a Walmart bag. It'll look broken when it arrives too, since you have to buy the screws and adhesive to hold it together separately.
@@drmegaman You think Sony is that generous??? No Way It will be just a motherboard mailed in a bubble mailer. CPU, GPU, RAM and all of the other stuff will be sold separately. You have to put it together yourself and NO WARANTY if you mess up.
The problem with the PS5 is as you mentioned: the entire lack of first-party titles. There's no reason to buy a PS5 over anything else. Sony handcuffed the end-user by letting the scalpers get all the systems, then handcuffed them again by releasing very few games for it that aren't already available on other platforms. Really, this is just Sony's arrogance of the PS3 price tag at launch all over again, this time on an incremental upgrade to an already-existing system.
@@NizaSiwale Maybe true, but it would also not be surprising if the hardcore PS enthusiasts were much more likely to prefer physical games, so this move would've pissed them all, as seen above
Haha wow you are really holding on to the past. Keep fighting whatever fight you are fighting 😂😂😂😂 Oh and Sony never cared about ya buddy. They care about their profit margin, NEVER YOU
xbox 360 was mine. paired it with a core 2 duo, and a 9600gt. been upgrading motherboard, processor or gpu's for $100 every few years as time went on. i did dabble with a used $165 Ps4 pro when the last of us remastered dropped, but then sold it off for $250 a month later once I had time to beat it...kept the controller tho
One of the main selling points of the base PS5 was that we could play games at 60 FPS, for a lot of games this was simply untrue, it was false advertising and we were missold a product. 5 years later, they're selling a "pro" version of the same console, with no disk drive, hardly any games and with the same promise of playing titles at 60 FPS. Oh, and you have to pay an extra 250 for the privilege. What an absolute joke. Sony are a joke, and they're downright greedy. I'm never purchasing anything from Sony again, this behaviour is just not on at all.
While the PS5 Pro definitely did not help but feed into the problem, I don’t think it was really *Sony’s* fault a lot of games didn’t get 60 fps; a lot of their first and second party exclusives *did;* it’s just that poor optimization and insane PC requirements happened to rear its ugly head soon into the generation.
Few things to unpack here: 1) most games this gen run at 60fps or have the option to, it’s a minority that don’t 2) that still wouldn’t make it false advertising. As long as Sony was releasing games that ran and looked the way they did, it’s proof enough the console isn’t the limiting factor 3) $250 more? US pricing seems to be the cheapest with exchange rates and it’s a $300 increase. Discless means compare against the digital PS5 which is $400
Come on! Concord, dustborn and other current masterpieces will fly on it! 😒 No sequels to Days Gone, Resistance, Killzone, Bloodborne. I have all Sony consoles since ps1 but it seems I will skip consoles from now on. Sony has lost its way.
The problem is lack of new AAA games for Playstation in general. Why spend $700 to play remastered versions of last generation games? There's a problem when Last of Us 2 remastered is one of the main advertised games for the PS5 Pro...
@@bdizzle9586 Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition? Cyberpunk? Seen the advanced Ray Tracing in those games? My 4090 runs them great but I can imagine how bad it would run on anything under a 4090 because even my 4090 struggles maxed at 4k without some form of DLSS in those.
brother that game is coming on 5 years in a few months lololol I know because Ps4 is the last console I had. I bought a used playstation for $165 just to play the last of us and then sold it for $250 when I beat it lolol Im not carrying around a paper weight. Im a PC gamer TF I want to keep a console for when I have a 4070 laptop (3060 at the time) that I paid $1000 for (the 3060 was $800 in 2020). It pays for its self with cracked games. Never have to pay for games anymore just a few cs2 knifes here and there but I can sell them tomorrow if I wanted to and get my money back so you cant lose with PC. Where is your $300 Karambit on Ps4? it doesnt exist brother it doesnt exist
@@bdizzle9586 the games aren't made for 4090 yet but future games at medium setting like 5 years down the road at 4k are. I would know because I have a 1070 laptop that I dont use anymore cause I got a 4070 laptop but what im trying to say is I was playing 4k 60fps on new games like halo infinite that released in 2021 and that card was made in 2016. It basically just future proofs your games for the next 5 years to play at 4k 60fps or if you want 4k 144hz right now but im good with 60fps for 5 years instead of upgrading every year
Bought the PS5 Pro, the stand is not mandatory, it will stand vertically sans stand without any issue. Also I have a 4TB SSD installed in the Pro aside from the included 2TB. Tell me why I would need to buy the drive. When was the last time you bought a PC game on disc or is your whole PC game collection on steam/epic store?
@@electrikoptik If you are upgrading from a PS4 or PS5, you probably want that drive for your library you already have. If not, I guess it's up to you, though you are throwing away the ONE real strengths consoles have left over PC by doing that. As for me, I actually keep a $30 usb external DVD drive for older games I have on disc.... but I also keep an external 4 TB drive to store all the installers I get on gog. Id rather NOT let a company have that much control over my library where I can help it... and really accept steam these days for multiplayer games primarily on just that reason.
Unfortunately people will keep buying They bought microtransactions Pre orders Super consoomer deluxe editions They destroyed the gaming industry by doing so Never underestimate the masses stupidity
The best investment Sony has made into Gaming recently was letting Team Asobi develop Astro Bot. They managed to pull off a mascot platformer with a Nintendo level of polish but a current-gen level of graphics. They need more of that. Competing with PCs is a losing battle in the long term. Instead, I'd like to see a serious Nintendo competitor who cares about hardware and doesn't sue its fans.
Even their best is just "comparable to Nintendo". Why not just buy another, better, cheaper console instead, like the Switch? Or the PS4? Or a PC? Where these good games actually are.
The MAIN issue that will prevent me from purchasing ANY time soon, is the fact that it comes WITHOUT a disc drive…. DESPITE costing an arm and a leg :/
Even though the "No Disc Drive" is close to being as bad as "Must Always Be Online" to use, just remember that SEGA did crazy stuff back in the day too with the Genesis. They had the Genesis, the Sonic & Knuckles attachment, the 32X attachment, and the SEGA CD attachment, which all needed to be bought separately with no discounts. Plus the SEGA CD had it's own cords that needed to be plugged in too. Just add Game Genie in there and you have yourself a big console.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 The Sega CD the 32X were full on optional hardware upgrades that you added on to the base console as opposed to being a whole separate console. A better comparison would be if Sega had released a "Mega Drive Pro" that didn't come with a cartridge slot or a disc drive to be able to play your physical games.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 it's not the same. The "Sonic & Knuckles attachment" was just the game, the game had a feature where you could attach extra carts to. The 32x and the CD addons were sold as addons to the OLD console. The PS5 Pro is a new console missing a feature that should be there out of the box.
Hey MVG! Huge fan here! I just picked up a PS5 Pro for $399.99! Was a mistag at a local big box store. I got very lucky. Merry Christmas to meeeee! lol keep up the great work my friend!
That's Sony's Apple move. Selling a console slightly better in performance than the prior model with less parts for an exorbitant price, in the hope the feeling of exclusivity is enough to carry it. And it will, never underestimate petty consumers. If it sells well it will only open the path for more high pricing.
The difference between Apple and Sony is that you see the huge difference in performance on their products. I had a Mac Mini 2013 and upgraded to the M2. Turning the M2 on alone is better than the previous Mac Minis. The thing takes 10 seconds to boot up. This PS5 is not an upgrade to me. I see no difference from any of the games that have shown running on it.
@@handsomedubbledeewell apple Is no different when comparing a iPhone 14 to a iPhone 16, both have a 60hz display, one just had a slightly upgraded processor that's all.
800€ btw. What a joke. Edit: Also at least here in my country the cheapest "essential" PSN plan is 72€ a year. So 248€ for 4 years PSN, 120€ for the disc drive and 800€ for the console itself. So that's 1048€ with no disc drive or 1168€ with a disc drive to use the console for a 4 year period. Man at that point get a PC.
Yeha I think so too. I love my ps4 but you slowly see its age - psvr is slow and games like bf2042 look like shtt. But the ps5 just isn't worth the upgrade, especially with the necessary added costs that you mention (aka ps plus)
Don't change MVG! "Big names" in the RUclips tech community offered up front commentary with overwhelming support and a toned down message on the negatives. You continue to represent the masses and send a "grounded" approach that reflects most of us consumers.
Consoles have been basically PCs in a different form factor for at least 2 platforms now, so it's only fitting (if ironic) for them to inherit various quirks of PC gaming lol.
@@abadenoughdude300the benefit of console gaming used to be that you didn't have to fiddle with graphics settings because games were developed for a standard graphics configuration.
@ralphengland8559 online access and astro bot as a bundled game (or a second controller, or a charging station. For that price I'd expect more than just a console) It was supposed to be a joke, but I feel the tone of your comment was accusatory, so there you go
If I was in charge of making and marketing this thing, I would have pushed for 120 FPS on everything and included a Dualsense Edge in the box alongside the disc drive and stand. Really feels like Sony misunderstood what that metric of 3/4ths of their players picking performance mode in games actually indicated.
>ONE GAME WITHOUT A DRIVE, WHY SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT THIS I DON'T KNOW WHY >IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF YOU RAISED THE PRICE >KEEP THAT IN MIND, SNOY DESIGNED THIS TO BE THE NORM IN DUE TIME >ALL I KNOW, A DISK IS A VALUABLE THING >WATCH IT SPIN AS THE PENDULUM SWINGS >WATCH IT COUNT DOWN TO THE END OF THE DAY, THE CLOCK TICKS FOR WHEN THEY TAKE MY MEDIA AWAY
Just as I expected. In total customers pay more for an upgrade that isn't one as the games which make use of it simply don't exist yet. Meanwhile they keep pushing customers to accustom to digital only games or pay extra if they want to keep using their physical games. Sony could've offered something for owners of the base PS5, like allowing them to download the digital copy to the PS5 Pro of their already owned games - but who am I kidding. Thanks for that insightful review, MVG!
Might as well wait a few years for the PS6. Everyone with a PS5 Pro is just providing metadata for the PSSR algorithm. It’ll be way better by then and all PS6 games will support it.
If I have to zoom in and look for differences, then there aren't enough to justify the upgrade. I'd only care in instances where the framerate is smoothed out, but I doubt there's enough of those cases to really consider the upgrade.
First we had to wait a year to even get our hands on one because it was sold out everywhere, then wait an additional one to two years for the price to drop into borderline reasonable, then wait for worthy exclusives and bam! The things been out for years but it feels it's brand new.
For several seconds I seriously thought it was a PS2 slim shown tilted with a white background in the thumbnail and then I noticed it was just the black part of a PS5 Pro lol
It went so well for Xbox after they did the same thing with the One X and Series X /s I bought the PS4 Pro at launch. It was the worst console I've ever owned. Sony seems to repeat themselves with the PS5 Pro. It's all about the software.
The fanboys that hyped this up reap what they sow. It's nice for like the 12 people that are willing to pay that much for it but if you demand that much fidelity from your games why not just build a PC at that point? It's not like the PS5 has a lot of exclusives to choose from.
@01:10 Now now... Let's be *_VERY_* honest here for a moment... There should be absowhatsolutely *_NO_* push for 8K outside of Cinema. I had a SONY KD-75S9005B LCD TV which at some point must have developed a dead Pixel I only noticed during closer inspection while checking for potential damages during transport / installation after moving into my new flat. That dead pixel was only visible on a pure white background at less than half the actual ( *_AND_* recommended ) viewing distance which means 4K on a 75" viewed from like 3m is already well in the realm of diminishing returns. Going 8K on a sub 150" TV is a whole new level of diminishing returns no one needs yet alone can support even on the strongest PCs yet alone a humble Console.
I'm really glad sanity is prevailing here. I'm not even thoroughly convinced 4K is worth it. The only reason I have 4K displays is for use as a computer monitor with multiple 1080p windows on the same panel, and/or extra viewable space for large workspaces like audio DAWs, CAD, PCB design, and coding.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 I actually recommend a modded Phat PS3 with a very big HDD. It can natively play every PS1, PS2, and PS3 game including modded and undubbed games. You'll get a ton of mileage out of it.
I'm still on the fence about buying an OG PS5. The Pro is a non-starter w/o a disc drive. That's just a flat "no." I was already a little concerned about a device so hot-rodded that it required Terminator juice just to keep it cool. I would've really loved a PROPER slim version that didn't need all the exotic thermal tech.
I've noticed Remasters like FFVII, VIII, and Chrono Cross that use pre-rendered backgrounds, they are exceedingly sharper on the PS5 Pro versus standard.
I ended up with a PS5 Pro because I’m terrible with money. If I’m being completely honest, it’s not really worth it unless you have disposable income. Stellar Blade looks significantly better, as does FFVII Rebirth, but once I’m actually into the game and not looking for differences, most of the improvements kinda just fade away. I will say that FFVII Rebirth shows the most improvements because I found the blurry performance mode on the base PS5 to be distracting as well as the choppy frame rate for fidelity mode, but no single game is worth a $700 price tag.
Go tell that to people who bought a 1600$ 4090. Sharp + smooth + good looking = $$$. Since sharp + smooth are more important, nintendo chose two and they are pretty successfull with ugly games.
@PyromancerRift the thing about that is, with a 4090, you're going to be playing virtually any game completely unhinged at max settings, resolution with RT/PT, technically with everything the game developers have to offer. There's only a few games that force a 4090 to use DLSS/FG, and that's due to terrible optimization. Those same games will look or run abysmally on any console. I don't have a 4090, but I do have a 4080S, and the difference between that and console is no contest (for obvious reasons). Some games that I have on PS5 I also bought (heavily discounted) on PC, even PS4 games, and I'm so surprised by what I was missing on console in terms of fidelity. Almost as if some PS4 games on PC could pass as higher quality than most PS5 games today. They sell it as new features on a future console, but PC has already had a better experience a generation or 2 in advance, or maybe console never gets to that level because Sony deemed it irrelevant. End of the day, console gets a neutered PC experience. This is coming from someone who just recently built a PC coming from PS5 (which I still have).
We already have a PS5 slim in the house and it basically collects dust. Console gaming is dead to my household for the most part. Ironically it breaks my heart to say that because I've been a console gamer since the Atari 2600. But it just feels like consoles just lost their way.
Hardly gets used? Stellar blade, black myth, gow ragnarok, prince of Persia…all decent games. There’s loads to play using it - don’t let it collect dust 😂
Finally, the best pro and con review yet. The fact so many channels are trying to sell the minor upgrade and that it doesn’t stand out on its own is enough to tell you how little improvement there is. I so wanted to hear I had missed something no one had mentioned yet but it seems this isn’t a decent upgrade for the money. One thing I did notice an improvement with my regular PS5 was moving it to a new tv that has vrr and how some games are more fluid for it, and that cost me less than if I had bought the pro. A dip in frames here or there never bothers me, in fact I don’t get hung up on a game only having 30fps, if it has great gameplay/story, that matters the most to me. Good review, I’m putting them money saved toward a new Mac mini instead!
I don't have a PS5, I was lucky enough to pick up the Series X though a while ago, I probably could save up for PS5 Pro but my biggest issue is there isn't even a disc drive I can buy separately as they are out of stock around the United Kingdom.
My 2 cents: wait for ps6 they'll sell old stock of PlayStation that didn't sell. That's how you get one at fair price.
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Bro.... the CPU is 5 years old. Let that sink in... by the time GTA6 comes around, the CPU will be more that 6 years old... already dooming this PS5 "pro" scam by that bottleneck alone.
The PS5 is powerful enough especially if developers "don't waste memory." Too much of beefy specs to handle whatever's built without care for optimization. I presume we'll see an Uncharted game be the first one to push maybe 80-90% of the PS5 Pro.
I picked up a PS5 Pro to try it out to see if it was really better than my base PS5. Technically, yes it is better but I find it incredibly disappointing overall. Constant Wi-Fi issues super slow Wi-Fi even on Wi-Fi 7 router 10 ft away, still a nerfed 32gbps HDMI port so you get washed out color when you go higher than 60hz. Still a pathetic 1gbe LAN port. No 144hz support. And while the ray tracing looks slightly better it’s still a complete joke and I would rather have higher resolution and frames every time. I’m highly likely to return it and just stick with my base PS5. If you want a meaningful upgrade, get a PC because this ain’t it chief.
144Hz TV sounds awesome but what do you use it for, old emulated games maybe? I'd be worried about input lag hooking up my PC, plus my new computer monitor has DisplayPort.
I just don’t see any reason for this. The current next gen consoles already out don’t have hardly any games that are truly next gen for the current PS5 and Xbox Series X. The majority of stuff I see coming out is remasters of older stuff I have already played and that’s not the reason I bought these consoles in the first place. This Ps5 Pro is something that should have come out in a couple of years. Plus $700 and no disk drive and stand. Sony really wants to bend people over and give them a good going over. Sorry, thanks but no thanks. Great review by the way as always. 👍🏼
Problem is we're so far along in this gen there's really no later time it could have come out, PS6 should come around 8 years from the base PS5, so 4 years from now. If they released it 2 years later than now people would've just said to wait for the PS6, even if it got meaningful overall upgrades. They're just trying to get their cash in before it stops making sense.
I genuinely fear the Pro is a test for next gen; charging $700+ systems with no actual ownership of games… all because the manufacturers think they’ll get away with it. Honestly, harsh as it may sound, I hope the Pro bombs so that they see this is not the future we want.
Thats what im thinking aswell. I love their timing though... Customers have never been this tired of the gaming industry and Sony chooses to pull of this move.
120Hz should definitely be the priority over honestly anything above 1440p (and 1080 is fine), but cheaper TVs and most HDMI cables don't support it yet. Maybe they could bundle in a discount on a Sony set with 120...
Strange how we never talked about power in the context of consoles when paystation wasn’t the most powerful 🤭 The reality is, it’s not $700 it’s more like $900 when you’ve added a stand and drive. And for that, A PC is just better is every single way for no visual improvements and no real stable increase is frame rates. It’s a total failure with units still available from everywhere.
For $700, I got a nice new HP Victus with RTX 4060 Ti and a Ryzen 7 8840. It also has an M.2 PCIe 1 TB drive as well as 16 GB RGB RAM. I can play games and do real work The PS5 doesn't come anywhere near what a great desktop can do besides gaming.
Sony is already walking the line with the physical limitations of the APU. Taking full advantage of the CPU comes at the cost of GPU cycles with the PS5 Pro. There is just too much power going into too small of a space and you can’t control the thermals otherwise. Even at 5nm it’s pointless to have a faster CPU because it requires artificially bottlenecking the GPU to utilize it.
Great video as always, however, I think it's a little unfair to label mClassic as snake oil. It works brilliantly with 480p and 720p content - I run my PS3 and Wii U through it and it makes a major difference on my kitchen 50" 4K TV - it cleans up the aliasing and coarseness of 720p amazingly well, the smoothness also provides the perception of a higher resolution image when sitting 6ft from the screen - infact I never play either system without it on now. I agree it is pointless for anything running 1080p native and above, as the image is already sufficiently hi res.
... that's how it feels for many. PS4 PS4 Pro PS4 Proer (PS5) PS4 Proest (PS5 Pro) Then it will be PS4 Proestest (PS6) and finally: PS4 Purist Pro (PS6 Pro)
@@CidMaik My favorite Sony moment was when they advertised "Life of Black Tiger" as a Playstation exlusive port of a mobile game. Joking aside, I agree that PS4 was awesome.
I have no desire to get a PS5 Pro, and I got a Slim model earlier this year anyways. That $700-800 range would be better spent on something like a new PC.
I already have PS5 Slim, therefore I see no reason to spend another 800 euros for, what honestly is, an incremental upgrade. I still hold out the hope that Sony releases a true handheld, which would interest me more.
do you even see the incremental upgrade here? check out alan wake 2, they are barking like dog about raytracing in the announcement but that shit doesnt even run at pathtracing mode breaking the rumors of the gpu being as good as rtx 4070
At this point, I think I'm gonna skip the PS6 because the incremental leaps are so small. Just go straight from a PS5 to a PS7. That's the current plan.
@@davidsummers6700 ps6 shouldn't be much upgrade in gpu but.... it will be a upgrade in cpu so yes..... ps5pro upgrade isnt worth it, go for ps6 ... or just buy a damn pc instead of these money burners
@@bmqww223 The 4070 can't even handle path tracing well in that game. You need a 4080 or above which obviously a $700 console can't match. The base PS5/Xbox have no ray tracing at all. People keep pointing to games like Alan Wake 2 and BG3 and ignoring the tons of games that have big improvements.
@@sirdan357 oh really? you can easily run it with internal res att 720p at 30 fps and upscale it to 1080 or 1440p at ultra setting with pathtracing on ..... and why will i stop pointing to games like alan wake 2? they are saying there is advanced raytracing so why wouldnt I test it in games which requires raytracing.... you have to stop being a fanboy and deviating from the real test why would i look at other minor improvements...... plus with all that hype and cyberpunk 2077 isnt even listed here in the ps5pro games roster.....How will they sell this trash if it doesn't do what it claims to deliver?
Hope you enjoy it, the super fast loading thanks to the ssd is easily the best thing about this gen. Not to mention no more laggy menu screens when using the console.
@@DoritosBurger Yea I've had a Xbox Series X since launch and also have a high end PC. Love that fast ssd's have become the norm across all the major gaming platforms these days.
Thank you for the video. It would also be worth discussing the planned obsolescence of this console, as the SSD is soldered to the motherboard and therefore not replaceable (for the average user).
I think that Sony is trying to get a head-start here by offering features like PSSR and better Ray-Tracing performance to make developers more familiar with them, before releasing the PS6, which will feature those as well. And instead of having to do internal playtesting to i.e. redefine PSSR further, they instead decided to offer enthusiasts a slightly better console for a lot more money so they could do the job for them - smart.
Since you mentioned the mClassic as a "snake oil upscaler", I own one, and I do notice its improvements on some games. I'd say the best example would be with the character models in the dialogues of Fire Emblem Three Houses, which have a really bad aliasing problem. The mClassic helps making them better - the edges don't become good, but they move from "bad" to "okay". But it definitely depends on the game. I turn it off quite often (because it's on an HDMI plug with both my Nintendo Switch and my work laptop, and I turn it off when I'm on my work laptop), and while I quickly notice that I forgot to turn it on when playing Fire Emblem Three Houses, I didn't notice that it was off when playing Splatoon 3. And with the average PS4 game having a much higher quality than the average Switch game, I don't think I'd notice a difference on a PS4 game (with either the mClassic or the PS5 Pro enhancements). Also, some games look a bit better, but I'm not sure it's worth paying $100 for a mClassic for minor improvements like that.
The reason people think mClassic/mCable is snake oil is because the anti-aliasing it does just isn't effective enough when it receives a 1080p signal(native or upscaled) and puts it on a 1080p TV, a lot of people didn't realize(and didn't read the instructions) they should set the Switch to 720p for most games, unless the game they're playing runs at a higher native resolution. And the differences at 720p are really obvious, which is why I personally consider it a must-own for Switch.
It’s just not fast enough for true 4K, and 8k is a complete lie and unnecessary. 30% more perf doesn’t even get 4K 60 in most games, and certainly not when they also use RT. it should have been more than twice as fast if they wanted this to be a true 4K console. Shame they also didn’t add another 4GB of graphics memory while they were at it, but at least they added another 2GB of system memory, and letting games have another 1.5GB for textures and game data. This will also mean that a 12GB card on the PC is no longer sufficient for game ports in another year. One thing is for sure, the next generation consoles will at last bring true 4K gaming with RT. Shame that’s another few years away.
PSSR is only in its infancy. There could be serious gains in existing games and future releases for image quality and performance, once patches start rolling out.
@ Not talking about upscalling. Upscalling is a trick you use when you can’t deliver enough performance at native resolution, or you want more things happening on-screen. PSSR would not be necessary if the console had enough performance in the first place.
@ It’s trivial to make the video output send 8k, but what’s the point when you’re only upscalling 1240p which is what the PS5 PRO is outputting in more demanding games right now? If you want true 8k 60 without cheating, then the console would have to be 6-8 times more powerful than it already is.
@@tonep3168 True 4K is too much to ask of a console. Even a 4090 can have trouble maintaining 60 at native 4K with settings on high on some of the latest AAA games. I have one. Looks like upscaling's here to stay whether we like it or not. With PSSR they are at least heading in the right direction imo
You know that it's a problem when games suffer on high end hardware and they just end up introducing more powerful hardware to fix set issues. The performance should be a thing naturally built into the game, no matter what the hardware. That is what helps people enjoy games because people running on older hardware can get it running at 30 FPS with some rather decent graphics at 1080P or less. Then the ones who want to run it on any hardware equivalent to the recent i9s of Ryzen 9s with a RTX 4090 or equivalents can get higher frame rates, higher resolutions, and better graphical fidelity. It's a literal "Have your cake and eat it too" scenario here, but most people refuse to see it like that. I hate the PS5 Pro just for making the statement that "you don't need to optimize your games anymore" because there are going to be 3rd, 2nd, and 1st party developers who would never do it again. This truly has been the generation of nothing...
8K? I don't even care about 4K, 58% of Steam players use 1080p, we need non broken games with a nice gameplay.
Unfortunately, a growing percentage of "gamers" buy something new and pretty to play it for a couple hours and never touch it again because they already bought another new thing to play. The market caters to those addicted to small dopamine rushes of buying something new. Quality is not the primary concern.
This is because the vast majority of PC gamers don’t own a PC that is even close to ‘PC master race build’. Plenty of PS5 games run at or near native 4K. With the best example being GT7 which runs at native 4K @ 80fps on base PS5 and locked 120fps @ native 4K on PS5 Pro.
Same here. They always yell about graphics which are nice. However most people care about game play and if the game is fun. The switch only does 1080p in the dock. Twitch can only handle 1080p so all the popular streams people are watching they o ly watching at 1080p.
When I had the money to upgrade from my single monitor 1080p setup, 4K wasn't even on my mind: I went for a second monitor. Way more useful overall.
What we need are stable framerates. It's all dandy now that the vanilla ps5 games can get locked at 60, but how long until games come out developed with the ps5 pro in mind to deliver a stunning, high fidelity yet uneven 30-50fps experience on the ps5 pro and basically run in blurry slide-show mode on the vanilla ps5? Oh just wait, backwards compatibility of the future ps6 will solve all these low framerates that we can expect in these future ps5 pro titles. And the cycle will continue on and on where developers care more about image quality than reliable performance.
"disk-free console" on the box is hillarious. Like if disks were a con.
You'd be surprised. For some people, discs are an actual con.
discless behavior
that was the thing that turned me away and i decided to upgrade my pc instead
It's so cringe
I like physical digital copies
They forgot to add the most important feature: games
That would cost another disk drive or more
Just ps4 games lol
I’m still waiting
there is also no Disk Drive scalpers are selling for 250 eu. Sony support scalpers...
They are relying on GTA6 alone. They only care about money.
The CPU wasn't upgraded enough IMO. 700 dollars with no disc drive, and no stand. It's a hard sell.
>700 dollars with no disc drive, no stand and no games
FTFY 😛
Especially since the precedent seemed to be set last gen, that the base model would get a price cut and the pro model would be sold around the price of the original launch of the base system. Not the case anymore I guess.
It's fine for 95% of what's out there.
PSSR is why you buy the Pro. It gives you a significant boost in frames. As more PSSR games are released, PS5 base will be "missing out" on that boost it provides games.
Going from 30 fps to 60 fps is doubling the frames while still maintaining a high fidelity image
It's a joke.
There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO REASON for anybody to target 8k for games. Especially considering that these consoles can barely do 4k at 60fps in newer games. even PCs have an issue with it for things like SH2 Remake. Games need to get better optimized/have some bugs fixed instead of just abandoning them and letting the horsepower of a system deal with potential slowdowns.
Target higher refresh rates instead of higher resolutions. There's barely even 0.01% of the TV market out there that even does 8k stuff, there's zero reason why a game console needs to be in that list when there are SO MANY OTHER THINGS that can be done instead.
With how popular competitive gaming is nowadays you would think the devs & console makers would have enough sense to optimize their games for performance over resolution but it's always been about resolution for consoles unfortunately.
Thankfully I'm on PC now but console needs to be min 60+ fps for story games & 120+ for any competitive games.
Well, targetting 60 fps SHOULD be #1 on the list of features. Then you can figure out how much foliage and texture quality is possible with that requirement. Pseudorealism is what is driving developers to sacrifice frame rate.
Optimization definitely does not seem to be on anyone's priority list, gaming or otherwise, unfortunately. I wonder how much Sony could have achieved with an improved set of APIs rather than more hardware.
Dude, it is not a matter of "do they play at 8k" but a matter of "do they output at 8K". In japan, people are geting equiped with 8k TVs. Runing the switch on a 4k TV is a bummer because the interface is big and ugly.
Also, there are a ton of indie games that could run at 8k.
Will still be an issue when they release a PS6 guaranteed.
I find it hilarious that the standard PS5 box has a big ass 8K logo, but the Pro has just a 4K logo
On the original boxes you'll see the 8K stamp, but for newer boxes, they (Sony) slowly started to phase that out and you'll find and notice the 8K logo missing on the current models in circulation.
Because, it can't really run 8K. It's false advertising. The consoles are struggling with 4K. Consoles will always have lower processing power compared to computers. No, I'm not being a fanboy. Even graphics card companies oversell (read: lie) their card's abilities and call it "marketing".
Yes it can. It's not false advertising if it can in fact display at 8K. An 8K label does not mean "all games will be 8K."
@@J-S_93Sony should be sued badly for false marketing of 8k on ps5.
@@gamingguy8595 They thought it would have caught on faster. But most people are fine with 1080 - 1440 still, as long as you can maintain, most importantly the frame rate, performance, stability and reliability, and then followed by visual fidelity. Performance hasn't even been fixed and optimised at the 1080p level yet. Games, consoles and systems are still struggling to get certain things to run at 1080p60...
I love that scalpers are losing money because nobody is buying it.
that's interesting because all of the local stores in my area are all sold out. Either way how would scalpers loose money? they can just return it the same was you and I can lol that's just a silly thing to say. Have an awesome day.
@@Everydaymovessee spawnwave video on it
@@Everydaymovesscalpers are selling them at a loss due to the lack of interest
@@Everydaymoveslie
@@Everydaymovesyou can make a return only for 2 weeks after original purchase after that the scalper is rekt
The disk drive being sold separately is a massive joke.
I never thought I'd see plug-in disc drives again after say 1997.
It really is especially when over 80% of their fan base enjoys physical media.
Not including the drive was basically a giant middle finger to them.
@@XxViciousxX 80% of software sales on PS5 are digital, the numbers do not lie.
I have very little interest in the pro, but I bought a disk drive on the off chance the PS6 supports it. I have a feeling production of the disk drive won't be ongoing for very long.
@@fysl305True, but this is built specifically for the most hardcore PS users, and the most dedicated PS users likely use physical media. And nobody wants LESS options when spending $700
8k always triggers me haha! These consoles can’t even do native 4K. It’s all 1080p or 1440p upscaled to 4K. Great review, thanks mate. I’m a sucker for consoles, so I got a Pro.
Alan Wake 2 renders at something like 800p for performance mode on PS5 pro
It's funny as heck
and console players eat it up lol
Omg I love your channel!!
The thing is, 4k was a selling point for the PS4 Pro because 4k adoption was actually pretty widespread and base model couldn't do it, and even if games didn't run at 4k games still got access to 1440p or 1800p render resolution etc plus no reliance on the TV handling the upscaling of 1080 to 4k (if using base PS4 on a 4k display). The PS5 already supports 8k, but 8k TV adoption is terrible so even if you believed the Pro could handle 8k better, hardly anyone would even be able to use it (and let's face it PS5 standard nor Pro can do 8k gaming).
So yes there's even less reason for the PS5 Pro than there was the PS4 Pro.
@@DriveCancelDC I can hardly see the difference between 1080p and 4k on a large OLED TV. It's mostly jagged edges, if anything. Yea, 4k is nicer, and I prefer that, but not the end of the world. But 8k? I can only imagine it being a scam for rich people, wtf. :-)))
It's so funny to me that all this fragmentation left console users sitting at the menu choosing from 5 different graphics presets just like PC users
Yeha but instead of modulary update their current system they have to buy a new pc/console to get new graphic settings
Console guys dividing themselves between Framerate and Resolution camps while all us hot PC guys know exactly which resolution scale value to use, and are always happy to help one another figure it out in our leather short shorts and shirtless jackets
@@drmegamanand shader stutter?
@@drmegamanno mesh???
I have few friends who only play consoles and I tried to convert them telling them you can get more fps/resolution and graphics on PC even 60 fps.
"no no blah blah blah"
Now a few years later he's arguing with other console players about fps/resolution and higher textures.....lol
"I want 60 fps!"
No way. I’ll never support a console without a disc drive. I don’t care that it’s optional.
Then you’re not gonna be playing any games in a gen or 2
@@buffkangaroodog Maybe he will join PCMR.
@@buffkangaroodogexactly and I also can't wait to play gta6 on the PS5 pro 😂
@@buffkangaroodog Then Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will be losing my support.
But there's ways to play digital games, without wasting money on rentals from Steam.
Thats ok luckily there has been 9 generations worth of games to fall back on, plus i have a huge backlog that will last me a life time worth of entertainment. The future is grim for games anyway @buffkangaroodog
I can't stress enough how much I appreciate the brutally honest review.
Thank you! ❤
It's factually wrong though, it's pretty awful. I don't know what is going wrong with the IQ in a lot of these clips. It looks washed out and some parts have black crush. Also TLOU has like double the frame rate of the PS5 with fidelity settings so it's far from the worse improvements. It's actually one of the best.
@eggy6857 well the results are on screen and if you check other channels they have similar issues with the pro.
It is possible that with a perfect setup you could achieve better results, but the normal consumer would not go the extra mile to research.
The fact that you are even able to produce these bad results is a very bad thing.
If you buy a premium product you also expect wide compatibility with other hardware (TV/monitor) and software (games)
This just feels like another reason for developers to not having to bother tightly optimising games for the original hardware.
Nvidia started that, the ps5 pro is just a update to catch up to that.
Developers aren't going to prioritize the console that will have the smallest amount of sales. They didn't even prioritize the relatively cheap PS4 Pro so why would they prioritize the expensive PS5 Pro?
@@AssassinIsAfk isnt it funny how consoles ALL take the WRONG trends from PC these days?
@@TruTrae You would think so... but look at the complaints on PC... where companies like Capcom are making over 50% of their sales... not just the most of any platform, but more then ALL their other platforms combined. yet they still showed Monster Hunter in that beta.....
Yeah, get ready to see these developers defy your (admittedly good) reasoning.
@@AssassinIsAfk There is no catching up. You're probably going to see more developers offering 30fps on PS5 with 60fps being marketed as being possible on PS5 Pro.
Pretty sad that the best showcase for improvements is a game that looked and ran like shit on the base PS5 for no reason, paying premium to allow devs to not bother optimizing their games is a terrible deal
So much of the promo material says stuff like '2X the frame-rate' and you read the fine-print and the measured frame-rate is now 54... okay Sony, why was it running at 27fps in the first place?! This is like when Apple release a new iPhone claiming it's 8x faster to launch an app - cos they've spent the last 6 months releasing software updates adding false delays to app launching.
Yeah, welcome to PC gaming. "Just buy a 4090 and run at 1080p with DLSS"
What if I told you there were already 100 games getting Pro enhancement patches, and every game going forward will also support it? There are lots of good reasons to buy a PS5 Pro. It’s ok to admit you were never going to buy it regardless.
@@Slay1337plshader stutter?
Tell that to pc devs
PS5 needs more exclusives and not just remakes and rereleases imo to make it worth it
The price for the 30th anniversary PS5 Pro in Denmark is $1300 (9000DKK) and no, that is not a scalper price, that's the retail price!!! :melt_face:
And I thought electronics in Finland were costly, that's 100€ more than here!
I mean, you could just say Sony are the scalpers at that point.
It's priced stupidly over here in the UK too, it's MSRP is £960 which is about US$1,235, that is also without the disc drive.
Better just to buy a PC. After all, even if it costs a bit more, all the other stuff a PC can do that a PS5 Pro can't and that isn't very nice to do on a phone if that's even possible, is worth it. And of course we don't pay to use the internet we pay our ISPs for.
Why on earth would you buy the 30th anniversary?
Just wipe your tv with clean cloth you get PS5 pro
OH MY GOD DUDE!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Broke man tactics
@@Elohim77Yah77 you brokies can't match performance and frame by cleaning your screens, peasants.
Youre a braindead sheep. Plain and simple. Youre the perfect idiot consumer Sony is looking for. @LegacyRap7777
cant wait for my PlayStation taster! Its better then other toaters cause PS logo!@@LegacyRap7777
simple answer, no.
Wait for a price drop, or at least the disk drive added in.
That’s what I will do. Plus I’m in no rush in jumping into “next gen” at the moment.
If it was 50 to 75% faster, I could see it. But right now it shows no noticeable improvement.
This is the 32X of this generation.
Sony is finally giving us what they promised three years ago
Great, so what you are saying here is that Sony is now going down the path of Sega... Just that instead of being a game company first, they are a hardware company that has IP's that they haven't shown any love since the PS3. I could see this being a downfall, since I don't think anyone is going to buy them out and most of there games are all made out of house studios right now. Ho boy...
thats the perfect comparison for this thing lmao. easily the worst hardware theyve ever made
Exactly!!! SEGA 32X lol
Not even close, the 32X didn't provide enhancements to existing games (there was very few ports but you would still have to buy the game again also there was like 5 or so games released after the thing came out that could be used on just the Sega CD) but it provided brand new games, I doubt we will see any exclusive PS5 Pro games at all; also the 32X came out almost the same year as the Saturn and judging by how long the PS4 pro lasted I would guess that we won't be seeing the PS6 until at least 2027 if we see it at all, I got a hunch that this might be the last console generation as we know it.
@@GAHAHAHH PS5Pro also didn't provide enchancements to old games, but some 32x games are indeed just enhanced ports. MK2 IIRC, Pitfall..
I don't need a gaming machine that requires a magnifier and frame rate graph to justify its existence.
Yeah I feel like the existence of these performance refreshes really misses a point... console gamers don't care and they shouldn't care. Leave imperceptible performance differences to the PC crowd, it's fine to care about that stuff of course but it's the kind of geekery that most console gamers don't seem interested in.
It doesn't, just a good tv with vrr and 120hz.
Yep I agree
It's for people who are judging by watching it with youtube compression and mobile phones, not seeing the tv with their own eyes.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the differences are pretty noticeable in the flesh. I'm not saying they're major, but there's a noticeable improvement.
Finally an honest review. So many fanboys overhyping this thing trying to justify their unnecessary purchase.
I am a fan of the Xbox to Series X, but I would not defend the Kinect, Online Only to install/play disc games, and the Xbox Avatars.
I am glad some Sony fans are telling it like it is for the PS5/Pro.
i see a lot of the positive reviews were provided the console and have links to buy it that are moetized. so not useful. the other reviews are like this one, "meh probably not worth it unless you have money to burn and care about every pixel and have huge TV you sit close to and etc."
And you’re trying to tell people what to do with THEIR money. What makes you different?
@bdizzle9586 Did you fully read their comment? They said this was an honest review, which means the uploader wasn't paid to pretend it is good. But in your case about "it's their money", would you rather buy clothes off Amazon with review knowledge, or buy the product without reading them and learning that the product was smaller than advertised.
A better example would be to imagine I wanted to buy GTA3. Now I see the game was removed from the stores so I see a "Remastered" edition of it. I then choose not to see honest reviews of it and I spend my hard earned cash on it. The game is bad, money down drain, bye bye money.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 Jesus, does dumb come free with your cereals. My point is why does the OP and yourself desperately care how strangers spend their money?
When you bought your last pair of sneakers, were people concerned’ about your wallet?
Bottom line is: If you already own a PS5 then don't bother with PS5 Pro, If you are purchasing your first PS5 console and have the extra cash to spend get the Pro otherwise also don't bother and get the regular PS5. It is not enough of an improvement to recommend it to everyone outright.
That’s your bottom line.
I don't have a ps5. Should I get the ps5 for 500€ or the ps5 pro for 920€ ? 🙂
@@loveistheanswer5924 I wouldn't spend 920€, msrp is 799€ if you can get it for that then maybe, really depends on financial situation.
@@loveistheanswer5924get a used ps5
"Disk-Free console". What a stupid thing I just read it!
Rather "No-Ownership-Of-Games-Console"
Grandad! I didn’t know you were on RUclips! 😂
My home is a Playstation-Free home
I couldn't help laugh at that, who wants these pesky disc drives xD
Speaking of ''stupid'' you didn't need to add the word ''it'' at the end.. You are what you read I guess since you're also stupid
I am so sick of resolution over gameplay innovations, Smoother gameplay and environmental details and physics!
Apparently the PS4 Visual Enhancements only work on PS4 games that run at 1080P or less. The Evil Within 2 has a PS4 Pro patch and I believe it runs above 1080P, which is why you weren’t seeing any results there.
It's also language model-based, so it does a really good job.
What did you expect ? If a game already runs at 4k, there's nothing to enhance. I personnally love that PS4 games run with the PS4 pro patch on PS5. At least i can play 4k60 games on that damn machine.
@@PyromancerRiftthere is absolutely no difference in the PS4 games on any ps5 console, the pro does absolutely nothing, Xbox is light years ahead in this department
@@PyromancerRift "If a game already runs at 4k, there's nothing to enhance." exactly why I question the ps5 pro's existence.
Because none of these games are rendered at 4K, they upscaled to 4K, and even if it was a native 4K, you can use MSAA or render the image 2 or 4 times larger and downscale it to 4K.
Suprised that it comes with free faceplates, free CABLES and free GAMEPAD at all... Not professional scam enough for me.
PlayStation 6 won't come with those, nor a box. It'll just be a console someone tossed in a Walmart bag. It'll look broken when it arrives too, since you have to buy the screws and adhesive to hold it together separately.
@@drmegaman You think Sony is that generous??? No Way It will be just a motherboard mailed in a bubble mailer. CPU, GPU, RAM and all of the other stuff will be sold separately. You have to put it together yourself and NO WARANTY if you mess up.
Yep, controller should be sold seperately with no included cables, serious.
The problem with the PS5 is as you mentioned: the entire lack of first-party titles. There's no reason to buy a PS5 over anything else. Sony handcuffed the end-user by letting the scalpers get all the systems, then handcuffed them again by releasing very few games for it that aren't already available on other platforms.
Really, this is just Sony's arrogance of the PS3 price tag at launch all over again, this time on an incremental upgrade to an already-existing system.
This isn’t 2005 anymore, we live in a cross gen, cross platform era. And that’s not a bad thing.
No longer for the players. Now for stakeholders. Most expensive retro console.
That would be a frankie ps3 45nm swap.
Players are stakeholders, you mean shareholders
Retro?
-3DO releasing at the same price but like 30 years sooner:-
@marcoalves9029 And I bet the 10 who bought it really enjoyed it
No drive = not buying. All my PS games are physical, this is a slap in the face but I guess Sony doesn't want me as a customer anymore.
Most physical games these days are not even physical as they require a digital download upon installation
@@NizaSiwale bla bla bla...
@@NizaSiwale Maybe true, but it would also not be surprising if the hardcore PS enthusiasts were much more likely to prefer physical games, so this move would've pissed them all, as seen above
@@NizaSiwalecan my friends or family still use it ok stfu
Haha wow you are really holding on to the past. Keep fighting whatever fight you are fighting 😂😂😂😂
Oh and Sony never cared about ya buddy. They care about their profit margin, NEVER YOU
No drive is a no purchase at that price.
It can be added.
@@6581punk Pay extra for a feature that should come standard. Lol no.
@@6581punk For how much extra??
@@6581punk With even more of a markup!!! It's a scam and you really have to be stupid to dump money on it.
@@6581punk By paying more for an already overpriced product. Even the frigging disc drive has to be dlc?
it's over $900 in the UK. NO SHOT
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I was gonna make iPhone joke but with Poco f6 i cant burn you with that joke.
The US price is without sales tax and inherent higher costs of dealing with a much smaller country (you don't get the same economy of scale).
@@XantheFIN Other than that, the iPhones actually sell. Lol
Totally in line with the price of pints in London.
This console gen is my last. It forced me to buy a pc.
xbox 360 was mine. paired it with a core 2 duo, and a 9600gt. been upgrading motherboard, processor or gpu's for $100 every few years as time went on. i did dabble with a used $165 Ps4 pro when the last of us remastered dropped, but then sold it off for $250 a month later once I had time to beat it...kept the controller tho
One of the main selling points of the base PS5 was that we could play games at 60 FPS, for a lot of games this was simply untrue, it was false advertising and we were missold a product.
5 years later, they're selling a "pro" version of the same console, with no disk drive, hardly any games and with the same promise of playing titles at 60 FPS. Oh, and you have to pay an extra 250 for the privilege. What an absolute joke. Sony are a joke, and they're downright greedy.
I'm never purchasing anything from Sony again, this behaviour is just not on at all.
Also not even a stand
While the PS5 Pro definitely did not help but feed into the problem, I don’t think it was really *Sony’s* fault a lot of games didn’t get 60 fps; a lot of their first and second party exclusives *did;* it’s just that poor optimization and insane PC requirements happened to rear its ugly head soon into the generation.
Few things to unpack here:
1) most games this gen run at 60fps or have the option to, it’s a minority that don’t
2) that still wouldn’t make it false advertising. As long as Sony was releasing games that ran and looked the way they did, it’s proof enough the console isn’t the limiting factor
3) $250 more? US pricing seems to be the cheapest with exchange rates and it’s a $300 increase. Discless means compare against the digital PS5 which is $400
@@Maynards_so_blueto be fair it stands fine without one
Come on! Concord, dustborn and other current masterpieces will fly on it! 😒
No sequels to Days Gone, Resistance, Killzone, Bloodborne. I have all Sony consoles since ps1 but it seems I will skip consoles from now on. Sony has lost its way.
The problem is lack of new AAA games for Playstation in general. Why spend $700 to play remastered versions of last generation games? There's a problem when Last of Us 2 remastered is one of the main advertised games for the PS5 Pro...
Name me one game built for 4090?
I’ll wait!
Gta 6
@@bdizzle9586 Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition? Cyberpunk? Seen the advanced Ray Tracing in those games? My 4090 runs them great but I can imagine how bad it would run on anything under a 4090 because even my 4090 struggles maxed at 4k without some form of DLSS in those.
brother that game is coming on 5 years in a few months lololol I know because Ps4 is the last console I had. I bought a used playstation for $165 just to play the last of us and then sold it for $250 when I beat it lolol Im not carrying around a paper weight. Im a PC gamer TF I want to keep a console for when I have a 4070 laptop (3060 at the time) that I paid $1000 for (the 3060 was $800 in 2020). It pays for its self with cracked games. Never have to pay for games anymore just a few cs2 knifes here and there but I can sell them tomorrow if I wanted to and get my money back so you cant lose with PC. Where is your $300 Karambit on Ps4? it doesnt exist brother it doesnt exist
@@bdizzle9586 the games aren't made for 4090 yet but future games at medium setting like 5 years down the road at 4k are. I would know because I have a 1070 laptop that I dont use anymore cause I got a 4070 laptop but what im trying to say is I was playing 4k 60fps on new games like halo infinite that released in 2021 and that card was made in 2016. It basically just future proofs your games for the next 5 years to play at 4k 60fps or if you want 4k 144hz right now but im good with 60fps for 5 years instead of upgrading every year
7:05 MVG rocking a VB shirt is a thing of beauty
US$ 700, no stand, no drive, no compelling games. Sony lost it.
this
Don't forget $80 to play multiplayer games
Honestly, you don't really need the stand at all
Bought the PS5 Pro, the stand is not mandatory, it will stand vertically sans stand without any issue. Also I have a 4TB SSD installed in the Pro aside from the included 2TB. Tell me why I would need to buy the drive. When was the last time you bought a PC game on disc or is your whole PC game collection on steam/epic store?
@@electrikoptik If you are upgrading from a PS4 or PS5, you probably want that drive for your library you already have. If not, I guess it's up to you, though you are throwing away the ONE real strengths consoles have left over PC by doing that.
As for me, I actually keep a $30 usb external DVD drive for older games I have on disc.... but I also keep an external 4 TB drive to store all the installers I get on gog. Id rather NOT let a company have that much control over my library where I can help it... and really accept steam these days for multiplayer games primarily on just that reason.
$700 is nuts. Don't buy this -- it would just give Sony a message that they can keep doing it.
Unfortunately people will keep buying
They bought microtransactions
Pre orders
Super consoomer deluxe editions
They destroyed the gaming industry by doing so
Never underestimate the masses stupidity
No console is worth over a few hundred dollars.
Unless you have a 4K OLED TV then there's really no point in buying a PS5 Pro.
What about a good QLED TV ?
then stop being poor
Should i buy a 4k TV and a PS 5 pro ? That would be about 1220€ ? Or just 500€ for the normal ps5? I just have a Full HD TV at the moment. 🙂
@@loveistheanswer5924 I bought both and it was worth it imo games look amazing now
The best investment Sony has made into Gaming recently was letting Team Asobi develop Astro Bot. They managed to pull off a mascot platformer with a Nintendo level of polish but a current-gen level of graphics.
They need more of that. Competing with PCs is a losing battle in the long term. Instead, I'd like to see a serious Nintendo competitor who cares about hardware and doesn't sue its fans.
Even their best is just "comparable to Nintendo". Why not just buy another, better, cheaper console instead, like the Switch? Or the PS4? Or a PC? Where these good games actually are.
The MAIN issue that will prevent me from purchasing ANY time soon, is the fact that it comes WITHOUT a disc drive….
DESPITE costing an arm and a leg :/
You will own nothing and you will be happy. Consume the product.
Even though the "No Disc Drive" is close to being as bad as "Must Always Be Online" to use, just remember that SEGA did crazy stuff back in the day too with the Genesis. They had the Genesis, the Sonic & Knuckles attachment, the 32X attachment, and the SEGA CD attachment, which all needed to be bought separately with no discounts.
Plus the SEGA CD had it's own cords that needed to be plugged in too. Just add Game Genie in there and you have yourself a big console.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 The Sega CD the 32X were full on optional hardware upgrades that you added on to the base console as opposed to being a whole separate console. A better comparison would be if Sega had released a "Mega Drive Pro" that didn't come with a cartridge slot or a disc drive to be able to play your physical games.
@@lordaizen8004 🤣
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 it's not the same. The "Sonic & Knuckles attachment" was just the game, the game had a feature where you could attach extra carts to. The 32x and the CD addons were sold as addons to the OLD console. The PS5 Pro is a new console missing a feature that should be there out of the box.
Hey MVG! Huge fan here! I just picked up a PS5 Pro for $399.99! Was a mistag at a local big box store. I got very lucky. Merry Christmas to meeeee! lol keep up the great work my friend!
That's Sony's Apple move. Selling a console slightly better in performance than the prior model with less parts for an exorbitant price, in the hope the feeling of exclusivity is enough to carry it. And it will, never underestimate petty consumers. If it sells well it will only open the path for more high pricing.
The difference between Apple and Sony is that you see the huge difference in performance on their products. I had a Mac Mini 2013 and upgraded to the M2. Turning the M2 on alone is better than the previous Mac Minis. The thing takes 10 seconds to boot up. This PS5 is not an upgrade to me. I see no difference from any of the games that have shown running on it.
It'll just make PC gaming look better, low price ceiling to enter and you can upgrade as you go.
@@handsomedubbledeewell apple Is no different when comparing a iPhone 14 to a iPhone 16, both have a 60hz display, one just had a slightly upgraded processor that's all.
@@handsomedubbledee after 10 year it better be better
People will say "The PS5 pro has sold out!"
They made 12 of them.
800€ btw. What a joke.
Edit: Also at least here in my country the cheapest "essential" PSN plan is 72€ a year. So 248€ for 4 years PSN, 120€ for the disc drive and 800€ for the console itself. So that's 1048€ with no disc drive or 1168€ with a disc drive to use the console for a 4 year period. Man at that point get a PC.
you forgot to include 70-80€ games
Yeha I think so too. I love my ps4 but you slowly see its age - psvr is slow and games like bf2042 look like shtt.
But the ps5 just isn't worth the upgrade, especially with the necessary added costs that you mention (aka ps plus)
More than that to build a current gen PC plus peripherals
Pc really isn't the same kind of experience. You don't have to fiddle with your games or your system on a console.
@@jonathaningram8157 that was maybe 15 years ago, if you dont do weird stuff with you PC everything works
Don't change MVG! "Big names" in the RUclips tech community offered up front commentary with overwhelming support and a toned down message on the negatives. You continue to represent the masses and send a "grounded" approach that reflects most of us consumers.
I find it hilarious that now gamers have to screw around with graphics settings on a console these days. 2:40
Consoles have been basically PCs in a different form factor for at least 2 platforms now, so it's only fitting (if ironic) for them to inherit various quirks of PC gaming lol.
why?
The same as a PC except you pay far more in the long run for a console and don't have any of the benefits of PC. What a great deal!
@@meatpockets yah honestly I thought the whole idea of the pro was to just offer a combination of fidelity and performance without any presets
@@abadenoughdude300the benefit of console gaming used to be that you didn't have to fiddle with graphics settings because games were developed for a standard graphics configuration.
lmao, "smeared Vaseline on my screen"
reminds me of the N64 era lol
I thought it goes on my butt hole
@@Oni64 At least the N64 actually had a substantial graphic jump (2D to 3D). What is this shit XD
lol
"words"
*NCIS flashbacks*
The one review I’ve been waiting for !!🙌🙌
"ONE GAME! I DON'T KNOW WHY! THE PS5 PRO STILL HAS NO GAMES TO BUY!"
BUT IT THE END ITS JUST GOT NO DRIVE
“I pay so much for ps plus in the end it doesn’t even matter”
KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THEY OPTIMIZE BY UPSCALING WITH AI
OR A SHADER.
IN SPITE OF A FACT THAT IT IS LAST GEN.
Might have something to do with the lackluster PS5 library to begin with.
The 5 is how many purchases you have to make before you get what should've been in the box
@@CYXNIGHT hmmm.. console, disk drive, stand... what else?
@ralphengland8559 online access and astro bot as a bundled game (or a second controller, or a charging station. For that price I'd expect more than just a console)
It was supposed to be a joke, but I feel the tone of your comment was accusatory, so there you go
If I was in charge of making and marketing this thing, I would have pushed for 120 FPS on everything and included a Dualsense Edge in the box alongside the disc drive and stand. Really feels like Sony misunderstood what that metric of 3/4ths of their players picking performance mode in games actually indicated.
Instead of the Edge, maybe a HDMI 2.1 cord and a discount on a 120Hz-capable Sony screen?
No.
Saved you 15 mins.
>ONE GAME WITHOUT A DRIVE
>IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF YOU RAISE THE PRICE
"You may find yourself, buying a playstation 5 pro"
>ONE GAME WITHOUT A DRIVE, WHY SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT THIS I DON'T KNOW WHY
>IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF YOU RAISED THE PRICE
>KEEP THAT IN MIND, SNOY DESIGNED THIS TO BE THE NORM IN DUE TIME
>ALL I KNOW, A DISK IS A VALUABLE THING
>WATCH IT SPIN AS THE PENDULUM SWINGS
>WATCH IT COUNT DOWN TO THE END OF THE DAY, THE CLOCK TICKS FOR WHEN THEY TAKE MY MEDIA AWAY
@@potetnamnbaknamn895 DIDN'T LOOK OUT BELOW! THREW MY WALLET OUT THE WINDOW!
as a fellow aussie living in the states, it was great to see a VB shirt. Love your channel mate
Just as I expected. In total customers pay more for an upgrade that isn't one as the games which make use of it simply don't exist yet. Meanwhile they keep pushing customers to accustom to digital only games or pay extra if they want to keep using their physical games. Sony could've offered something for owners of the base PS5, like allowing them to download the digital copy to the PS5 Pro of their already owned games - but who am I kidding.
Thanks for that insightful review, MVG!
they should have remastered bloodborne at 4k 120 fps as a launch title
This game is boring and outdated at this point imo.
Ya, the apu can't handle that.
@@TheDeadman264 Shut up!
@@kgonepostlThey've done it on jailbroken ps5s
@@TheDeadman264haha, say that to the millions that still play dark souls lol - bloodborn seems to be timeless
Might as well wait a few years for the PS6. Everyone with a PS5 Pro is just providing metadata for the PSSR algorithm. It’ll be way better by then and all PS6 games will support it.
If I have to zoom in and look for differences, then there aren't enough to justify the upgrade. I'd only care in instances where the framerate is smoothed out, but I doubt there's enough of those cases to really consider the upgrade.
Still feels like the ps5 just came out
I agree. There's no reason to get a pro if you have a ps5
Because nothing exciting has happened for almost 5 years
It's 4 years old at this point. Definitely hasn't "just came out". We're in the mid generation of it right now.
First we had to wait a year to even get our hands on one because it was sold out everywhere, then wait an additional one to two years for the price to drop into borderline reasonable, then wait for worthy exclusives and bam! The things been out for years but it feels it's brand new.
@@Nighterlev - Yeah thanks Sherlock. I think you missed the part where he said "still feels like".
For several seconds I seriously thought it was a PS2 slim shown tilted with a white background in the thumbnail and then I noticed it was just the black part of a PS5 Pro lol
Love the VB t-shirt bro. Can't get much aussier than that.
it's the best cold beer
You can get it gaming
Focusing on performance was a mistake. PCs do that. PlayStation should have focused on games, new games and exclusive games.
Ah, but games are expensive! It's far cheaper to just overclock existing hardware, put in a larger dirt cheap SSD and maybe upgrade the GPU.
@@masterkamen371isn't that how pc developers excuse bad coding.... use a more powerful pc
Should have focused on both.
huh? what games? 😂
It went so well for Xbox after they did the same thing with the One X and Series X /s
I bought the PS4 Pro at launch. It was the worst console I've ever owned. Sony seems to repeat themselves with the PS5 Pro. It's all about the software.
The fanboys that hyped this up reap what they sow. It's nice for like the 12 people that are willing to pay that much for it but if you demand that much fidelity from your games why not just build a PC at that point? It's not like the PS5 has a lot of exclusives to choose from.
More than pc 😂
Playstation needs to learn the importance of physical games.
What importance? I've been all digital for a while now.
@@sirdan357I’m sorry to hear that
Digital is the future
@@adamthiry868 I'm sorry you worship cheap pieces of mass-produced plastic.
@@sirdan357 I’m sorry that you want to willingly give away any ownership of the products you purchase
@01:10 Now now... Let's be *_VERY_* honest here for a moment... There should be absowhatsolutely *_NO_* push for 8K outside of Cinema.
I had a SONY KD-75S9005B LCD TV which at some point must have developed a dead Pixel I only noticed during closer inspection while checking for potential damages during transport / installation after moving into my new flat. That dead pixel was only visible on a pure white background at less than half the actual ( *_AND_* recommended ) viewing distance which means 4K on a 75" viewed from like 3m is already well in the realm of diminishing returns. Going 8K on a sub 150" TV is a whole new level of diminishing returns no one needs yet alone can support even on the strongest PCs yet alone a humble Console.
I'm really glad sanity is prevailing here. I'm not even thoroughly convinced 4K is worth it. The only reason I have 4K displays is for use as a computer monitor with multiple 1080p windows on the same panel, and/or extra viewable space for large workspaces like audio DAWs, CAD, PCB design, and coding.
The Pro looks amazing on my oled 65inch tv am well happy
Thanks for the open/honest review..
PS5 Pro Buy Guide:
If you own a good PC - skip
If you own a PS5 - skip
If you don't own a good PC or PS5 - save for a good PC 😂
I much rather prefer the PS2 myself. At least I can play Resident Evil Outbreak File 2 on that.
@@tuxedothemagnificent6738 I actually recommend a modded Phat PS3 with a very big HDD. It can natively play every PS1, PS2, and PS3 game including modded and undubbed games. You'll get a ton of mileage out of it.
I'm still on the fence about buying an OG PS5. The Pro is a non-starter w/o a disc drive. That's just a flat "no."
I was already a little concerned about a device so hot-rodded that it required Terminator juice just to keep it cool. I would've really loved a PROPER slim version that didn't need all the exotic thermal tech.
I've noticed Remasters like FFVII, VIII, and Chrono Cross that use pre-rendered backgrounds, they are exceedingly sharper on the PS5 Pro versus standard.
I ended up with a PS5 Pro because I’m terrible with money. If I’m being completely honest, it’s not really worth it unless you have disposable income. Stellar Blade looks significantly better, as does FFVII Rebirth, but once I’m actually into the game and not looking for differences, most of the improvements kinda just fade away. I will say that FFVII Rebirth shows the most improvements because I found the blurry performance mode on the base PS5 to be distracting as well as the choppy frame rate for fidelity mode, but no single game is worth a $700 price tag.
Go tell that to people who bought a 1600$ 4090. Sharp + smooth + good looking = $$$. Since sharp + smooth are more important, nintendo chose two and they are pretty successfull with ugly games.
@@PyromancerRift You can get Sharp + smooth + good looking with a RTX 4070
@PyromancerRift the thing about that is, with a 4090, you're going to be playing virtually any game completely unhinged at max settings, resolution with RT/PT, technically with everything the game developers have to offer. There's only a few games that force a 4090 to use DLSS/FG, and that's due to terrible optimization. Those same games will look or run abysmally on any console.
I don't have a 4090, but I do have a 4080S, and the difference between that and console is no contest (for obvious reasons). Some games that I have on PS5 I also bought (heavily discounted) on PC, even PS4 games, and I'm so surprised by what I was missing on console in terms of fidelity. Almost as if some PS4 games on PC could pass as higher quality than most PS5 games today. They sell it as new features on a future console, but PC has already had a better experience a generation or 2 in advance, or maybe console never gets to that level because Sony deemed it irrelevant.
End of the day, console gets a neutered PC experience. This is coming from someone who just recently built a PC coming from PS5 (which I still have).
We already have a PS5 slim in the house and it basically collects dust. Console gaming is dead to my household for the most part. Ironically it breaks my heart to say that because I've been a console gamer since the Atari 2600. But it just feels like consoles just lost their way.
Nothing to play
I see enough games. 🙂
Then why have a playstation 5 slim pointless
@@Nathan-e7o7y my son asked for it for Xmas. It pretty much only gets used when my nephew comes over to visit.
Hardly gets used? Stellar blade, black myth, gow ragnarok, prince of Persia…all decent games. There’s loads to play using it - don’t let it collect dust 😂
Finally, the best pro and con review yet. The fact so many channels are trying to sell the minor upgrade and that it doesn’t stand out on its own is enough to tell you how little improvement there is. I so wanted to hear I had missed something no one had mentioned yet but it seems this isn’t a decent upgrade for the money. One thing I did notice an improvement with my regular PS5 was moving it to a new tv that has vrr and how some games are more fluid for it, and that cost me less than if I had bought the pro. A dip in frames here or there never bothers me, in fact I don’t get hung up on a game only having 30fps, if it has great gameplay/story, that matters the most to me. Good review, I’m putting them money saved toward a new Mac mini instead!
I'll wait for the 28 days later review
Why? because he didnt said what you wanted to hear?
@@SCYN0 Because zombies will rule the world then
Ah yes, same mentality as wanting to hear 1 month game/movie reviewers instead of Day 1 to 3 Week reviewers of the same product.
I don't have a PS5, I was lucky enough to pick up the Series X though a while ago, I probably could save up for PS5 Pro but my biggest issue is there isn't even a disc drive I can buy separately as they are out of stock around the United Kingdom.
My 2 cents: wait for ps6 they'll sell old stock of PlayStation that didn't sell. That's how you get one at fair price.
Bro.... the CPU is 5 years old. Let that sink in... by the time GTA6 comes around, the CPU will be more that 6 years old... already dooming this PS5 "pro" scam by that bottleneck alone.
I suggest looking into emulation for your series x. It is well worth it.
@@BobbyBoushaay Yeah i saw videos about it looks cool
The PS5 is powerful enough especially if developers "don't waste memory." Too much of beefy specs to handle whatever's built without care for optimization. I presume we'll see an Uncharted game be the first one to push maybe 80-90% of the PS5 Pro.
I picked up a PS5 Pro to try it out to see if it was really better than my base PS5. Technically, yes it is better but I find it incredibly disappointing overall. Constant Wi-Fi issues super slow Wi-Fi even on Wi-Fi 7 router 10 ft away, still a nerfed 32gbps HDMI port so you get washed out color when you go higher than 60hz. Still a pathetic 1gbe LAN port. No 144hz support. And while the ray tracing looks slightly better it’s still a complete joke and I would rather have higher resolution and frames every time. I’m highly likely to return it and just stick with my base PS5. If you want a meaningful upgrade, get a PC because this ain’t it chief.
What tv do you have ?
144Hz TV sounds awesome but what do you use it for, old emulated games maybe? I'd be worried about input lag hooking up my PC, plus my new computer monitor has DisplayPort.
@@sirdominusgaming4629 LG OLED G4
I just don’t see any reason for this. The current next gen consoles already out don’t have hardly any games that are truly next gen for the current PS5 and Xbox Series X. The majority of stuff I see coming out is remasters of older stuff I have already played and that’s not the reason I bought these consoles in the first place. This Ps5 Pro is something that should have come out in a couple of years. Plus $700 and no disk drive and stand. Sony really wants to bend people over and give them a good going over. Sorry, thanks but no thanks. Great review by the way as always. 👍🏼
Problem is we're so far along in this gen there's really no later time it could have come out, PS6 should come around 8 years from the base PS5, so 4 years from now. If they released it 2 years later than now people would've just said to wait for the PS6, even if it got meaningful overall upgrades. They're just trying to get their cash in before it stops making sense.
I genuinely fear the Pro is a test for next gen; charging $700+ systems with no actual ownership of games… all because the manufacturers think they’ll get away with it.
Honestly, harsh as it may sound, I hope the Pro bombs so that they see this is not the future we want.
Thats what im thinking aswell. I love their timing though... Customers have never been this tired of the gaming industry and Sony chooses to pull of this move.
1080p 120fps would be nice
but no sony still can't do it
120Hz should definitely be the priority over honestly anything above 1440p (and 1080 is fine), but cheaper TVs and most HDMI cables don't support it yet. Maybe they could bundle in a discount on a Sony set with 120...
Strange how we never talked about power in the context of consoles when paystation wasn’t the most powerful 🤭
The reality is, it’s not $700 it’s more like $900 when you’ve added a stand and drive. And for that, A PC is just better is every single way for no visual improvements and no real stable increase is frame rates.
It’s a total failure with units still available from everywhere.
It's more like over a grand, because you also need a $500+ 4k120 TV, as the vast majority of 4K panels are 60 Hz.
@ But you’d need the same TV for a PC too, so that’s parity. I’d actually argue for the paystation you only need 1440P anything more is wasted.
For $700, I got a nice new HP Victus with RTX 4060 Ti and a Ryzen 7 8840. It also has an M.2 PCIe 1 TB drive as well as 16 GB RGB RAM. I can play games and do real work
The PS5 doesn't come anywhere near what a great desktop can do besides gaming.
yes but can it run mine sweeper?????????????? im just kidding bro I got a MSI 4070 stock Katana and a 13620H
There is a perfect saying that is perfect for all the people that bought the PS5 Pro.
“A fool and their money are soon parted!”
agreed
Sony is already walking the line with the physical limitations of the APU. Taking full advantage of the CPU comes at the cost of GPU cycles with the PS5 Pro. There is just too much power going into too small of a space and you can’t control the thermals otherwise. Even at 5nm it’s pointless to have a faster CPU because it requires artificially bottlenecking the GPU to utilize it.
Great video as always, however, I think it's a little unfair to label mClassic as snake oil. It works brilliantly with 480p and 720p content - I run my PS3 and Wii U through it and it makes a major difference on my kitchen 50" 4K TV - it cleans up the aliasing and coarseness of 720p amazingly well, the smoothness also provides the perception of a higher resolution image when sitting 6ft from the screen - infact I never play either system without it on now.
I agree it is pointless for anything running 1080p native and above, as the image is already sufficiently hi res.
Not even close to worth it until the Pro has as significant price drop. That visual difference is negligible for that price difference LOL
they will drop the price when the ps6 comes out if you want to wait
So basically a PS4 Pro Pro Pro.
Best comment! You made my day ;)
... that's how it feels for many.
PS4
PS4 Pro
PS4 Proer (PS5)
PS4 Proest (PS5 Pro)
Then it will be
PS4 Proestest (PS6) and finally:
PS4 Purist Pro (PS6 Pro)
@@CidMaik My favorite Sony moment was when they advertised "Life of Black Tiger" as a Playstation exlusive port of a mobile game. Joking aside, I agree that PS4 was awesome.
I have no desire to get a PS5 Pro, and I got a Slim model earlier this year anyways. That $700-800 range would be better spent on something like a new PC.
that's easy No it's Not anywhere near worth 800 Euro and another 130 for Disc drive if you can even find it
15-30% performance increase in exchange for a 75% price increase is crazy. Consoles have never offered a worse value proposition.
3DO, Amiga32, CDI, Jaguar.....
The Xbox 360 with the Red Ring of Death and the PS Vita comes to mind. Plus the many Street Fighter 2 variations.
Well their have been worse but this is definitely up there as one of the worst.
Seems like everyone hates this entirely optional purchase, can't wait to get mine though.
I already have PS5 Slim, therefore I see no reason to spend another 800 euros for, what honestly is, an incremental upgrade. I still hold out the hope that Sony releases a true handheld, which would interest me more.
do you even see the incremental upgrade here? check out alan wake 2, they are barking like dog about raytracing in the announcement but that shit doesnt even run at pathtracing mode breaking the rumors of the gpu being as good as rtx 4070
At this point, I think I'm gonna skip the PS6 because the incremental leaps are so small. Just go straight from a PS5 to a PS7. That's the current plan.
@@davidsummers6700 ps6 shouldn't be much upgrade in gpu but.... it will be a upgrade in cpu so yes..... ps5pro upgrade isnt worth it, go for ps6 ... or just buy a damn pc instead of these money burners
@@bmqww223 The 4070 can't even handle path tracing well in that game. You need a 4080 or above which obviously a $700 console can't match. The base PS5/Xbox have no ray tracing at all. People keep pointing to games like Alan Wake 2 and BG3 and ignoring the tons of games that have big improvements.
@@sirdan357 oh really? you can easily run it with internal res att 720p at 30 fps and upscale it to 1080 or 1440p at ultra setting with pathtracing on ..... and why will i stop pointing to games like alan wake 2? they are saying there is advanced raytracing so why wouldnt I test it in games which requires raytracing.... you have to stop being a fanboy and deviating from the real test why would i look at other minor improvements...... plus with all that hype and cyberpunk 2077 isnt even listed here in the ps5pro games roster.....How will they sell this trash if it doesn't do what it claims to deliver?
PS5 Pro is my first PlayStation console since the PS2. I've been wanting to get into the PlayStation ecosystem for years and finally made the jump.
Hope you enjoy it, the super fast loading thanks to the ssd is easily the best thing about this gen. Not to mention no more laggy menu screens when using the console.
@@DoritosBurger Yea I've had a Xbox Series X since launch and also have a high end PC. Love that fast ssd's have become the norm across all the major gaming platforms these days.
what games you playing out of interest? ive been out of the console loop for years now
people trying to say this is a "enthusiast product" are kidding themselves, the PC is the enthusiast purchase, the ps5 pro is just a bad purchase.
No disc drive, no stand, no CPU upgrade, and still no games. Brilliant, Sony
The fact you have to go into settings to tune the game yourself is another sign of consoles losing their image of being "casual-friendly"
Thank you for the video. It would also be worth discussing the planned obsolescence of this console, as the SSD is soldered to the motherboard and therefore not replaceable (for the average user).
I think that Sony is trying to get a head-start here by offering features like PSSR and better Ray-Tracing performance to make developers more familiar with them, before releasing the PS6, which will feature those as well.
And instead of having to do internal playtesting to i.e. redefine PSSR further, they instead decided to offer enthusiasts a slightly better console for a lot more money so they could do the job for them - smart.
PSSR is just FSR4 with a new acronym, it's going to be everywhere in a few months.
What a joke!
Explain?
Why, because you can’t afford $700😂
@@DOC_951 No because its not worth 700$
Since you mentioned the mClassic as a "snake oil upscaler", I own one, and I do notice its improvements on some games. I'd say the best example would be with the character models in the dialogues of Fire Emblem Three Houses, which have a really bad aliasing problem. The mClassic helps making them better - the edges don't become good, but they move from "bad" to "okay".
But it definitely depends on the game. I turn it off quite often (because it's on an HDMI plug with both my Nintendo Switch and my work laptop, and I turn it off when I'm on my work laptop), and while I quickly notice that I forgot to turn it on when playing Fire Emblem Three Houses, I didn't notice that it was off when playing Splatoon 3. And with the average PS4 game having a much higher quality than the average Switch game, I don't think I'd notice a difference on a PS4 game (with either the mClassic or the PS5 Pro enhancements).
Also, some games look a bit better, but I'm not sure it's worth paying $100 for a mClassic for minor improvements like that.
The reason people think mClassic/mCable is snake oil is because the anti-aliasing it does just isn't effective enough when it receives a 1080p signal(native or upscaled) and puts it on a 1080p TV, a lot of people didn't realize(and didn't read the instructions) they should set the Switch to 720p for most games, unless the game they're playing runs at a higher native resolution. And the differences at 720p are really obvious, which is why I personally consider it a must-own for Switch.
It’s just not fast enough for true 4K, and 8k is a complete lie and unnecessary. 30% more perf doesn’t even get 4K 60 in most games, and certainly not when they also use RT. it should have been more than twice as fast if they wanted this to be a true 4K console. Shame they also didn’t add another 4GB of graphics memory while they were at it, but at least they added another 2GB of system memory, and letting games have another 1.5GB for textures and game data. This will also mean that a 12GB card on the PC is no longer sufficient for game ports in another year. One thing is for sure, the next generation consoles will at last bring true 4K gaming with RT. Shame that’s another few years away.
PSSR is only in its infancy. There could be serious gains in existing games and future releases for image quality and performance, once patches start rolling out.
@ Not talking about upscalling. Upscalling is a trick you use when you can’t deliver enough performance at native resolution, or you want more things happening on-screen. PSSR would not be necessary if the console had enough performance in the first place.
Oh, that's funny, Sony promised 8K on the OG PS5 at launch, which they removed on the boxes after some months. Turns out that was a lie...
@ It’s trivial to make the video output send 8k, but what’s the point when you’re only upscalling 1240p which is what the PS5 PRO is outputting in more demanding games right now? If you want true 8k 60 without cheating, then the console would have to be 6-8 times more powerful than it already is.
@@tonep3168 True 4K is too much to ask of a console. Even a 4090 can have trouble maintaining 60 at native 4K with settings on high on some of the latest AAA games. I have one. Looks like upscaling's here to stay whether we like it or not. With PSSR they are at least heading in the right direction imo
You know that it's a problem when games suffer on high end hardware and they just end up introducing more powerful hardware to fix set issues. The performance should be a thing naturally built into the game, no matter what the hardware. That is what helps people enjoy games because people running on older hardware can get it running at 30 FPS with some rather decent graphics at 1080P or less. Then the ones who want to run it on any hardware equivalent to the recent i9s of Ryzen 9s with a RTX 4090 or equivalents can get higher frame rates, higher resolutions, and better graphical fidelity. It's a literal "Have your cake and eat it too" scenario here, but most people refuse to see it like that. I hate the PS5 Pro just for making the statement that "you don't need to optimize your games anymore" because there are going to be 3rd, 2nd, and 1st party developers who would never do it again. This truly has been the generation of nothing...