We Now Know How Old Man Cap Got Back To The Main Timeline
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Whenever a movie introduces time travel into its story, there are going to be questions about the timeline. The Marvel Cinematic Universe seemed to set its own rules about time travel in Avengers: Endgame, but some felt like Captain America coming back as an old man at the end contradicted them.
Thankfully, directors Joe and Anthony Russo have clarified once and for all how time travel works in their films, even if screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely don’t agree. Let’s take a look at the various explanations of how Old Man Cap got back to the main timeline in Avengers: Endgame.
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Do you agree with the screenwriters or the directors?
You really are a looper that's why you keep looping the same thing with the same answers 😂
@@mohammadamir4486 well said 😂
Looper I’m going with the Directors on this one.
It's a copout, but it doesn't kill the movie or anything
I prefer the screenwriters interpretation. I think when Peggy Carter mentioned her husband in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, she was referring to Steve Rogers who had assumed a new identity in the past.
I remember being at an age where I enjoyed Back To The Future and Terminator without getting into a PhD-level dissertation.
Oh man, Back to the Future’s time travel logic has bothered me for the longest time. It doesn’t even seem to stick to its own rules.
bigpimpdaddy69
That and it was a comedy besides, so it wasn’t too worried about staying consistent with its time mechanics.
Which would be all well and good, except that it’s the de facto example people go to when people think of time travel. Even _Endgame_ is guilty of that!
Because they are dumb films and in the case of B2TF knew when to quit. Terminator kept going and is now a complete joke franchise because it's initial time travel concept was faulty and has long since given in to - whatever! 🙄
Which is why James Cameron is back to finish off his vision.
Back to the future makes more sense
Russos makes way more sense and is finally logical. He lived with Peggy until she died and he traveled back to og timeline to say hey to his bros, then he maybe even gets back to his alternate timeline after passing his shield to take care of his kids, if he has some.
Iam finally little satisfied now.
So the Russos' explanation is exactly what I thought happened. I would've thought most people would realize this considering Tony and Cap were able to travel from 2012 to 1970 without having to return to 2023 first.
For me, it was either this happened or old man Cap was a Cap from an alternate timeline (that so closely resembles our own that for all intents and purposes he’s basically the same Cap as this one) that had been living out the rest of his life in our timeline.
Though admittedly that would then mean that Peggy was living a double life keeping Cap a secret (or somehow passing him off as someone else) while at the same time heading SHIELD. I’m not sure how believable that would be or not...I’d probably need to rewatch Winter Soldier to remember the finer details of how SHIELD operates to see if that’d be feasible.
I believe it is two caps in one timeline as a result of a different timeline.
Steve Rogers gets frozen in ice after defeating red skull. 70 years later he wakes up in New York and goes through the events leading up to endgame. At the end of endgame cap is sent back in time to after the war and lives he’s life as a normal man with Peggy. Having the knowledge of the future the only thing cap does is makes sure his living relatives are not near and danger zones. Knowing when and where the rest of the avengers sent him back in time he travels there and meets with Hawkeye
Lol feige is such a thriller...
If Stan is old man cap... And that's the purpose for his cameo...then it wasn't something mcfeely or the Feige created, or the brothers that messed up mcu... And you gotta wonder who the genius behind marvel is... Because Feige and mcfeely have been in marvel since 2007, but Stan lee has been a marvel cameo since the 80's... He rocked marvel movies that weren't mcu... His role would still makes sense as a time traveling cap, if you considered him in the amazing Spiderman cameos... But those were not the same people. Nick Spencer wrote that... Marc Webb produced it...
I'm with the writers.
If the Russo’s are right why didn’t he return when hulk tried to bring him back.
Endgame is so good that I don't care to pick it apart. Just glad that Steve finally got to be with Peggy.
Franklyn FM McInnis didn’t he just use the time jump thing it’s not that deep
Here’s a theory.... after returning the stones, he went and got with Peggy. Explained that he’s from the future and just enjoyed his life with her. She maintained her life as if she had found a new love in order to not upset the timeline. Cap was a part of that timeline the whole time. He just went back to the point where he crashed into the ice, and lived with Peggy until the events of Endgame. Doesn’t affect anything in the timeline... he’s a superhero so he technically could live that long. 🤷🏾♂️ Not really that hard to digest if you don’t over think it. Peggy kept that secret, even from the Cap in the snow. He wouldn’t put it together, because it wouldn’t become an idea to him, until he has to go back in time. Cap created his own time loop. THATS why he gave the shield to Sam. 🤫
There's no old cap.
It's just Loki😂
Just imagine tho LMAO 🤣
Me: so how many avengers videos you still got
Looper: Yes
I always thought Cap came back old by doin it the old fashioned way: he waited.
Jake Saathoff thats what the second theory argues
But he should be in a completely different Timeline
@@S1mpSlayer Unless the Timeline we have been watching the whole time is the Alternative Timeline
@@LordDirus007 nope, in our timeline peggy got married and had kids with another man and the first time she sees cap after getting out of the ice is when she’s in the hospital, she says “it’s been so long”. So in our timeline steve didn’t live his life with peggy
@@christinaagurto4646
1. We are never given a name for the man. And Peggy would obviously hide his true identity.
2. Peggy has Alzheimer’s disease and could have easily forgotten her life with Steve and only have some of her oldest memories of him before eventually having nothing.
I'm with the Russos on this one
Lord Mars
For me if the writers, the ones in charge of the story, say it, then it actually happened. So I’m with the writers on this one.
@@Homeboy_Brando Except things usually change a lot from conception to release. The film is apparently very different from the original script. So, I'm with the directors, since their explanation makes more sense within the rules they set in the film.
@@Homeboy_Brando yip.
@@Homeboy_Brando But IN THE MOVIE the rules are, you travel to the past, you create a new timeline, so i believe in the movie.
Red pill guy he???
People who think he just aged up to the main year dont think things through. Its not just the infinity stones that make alternate timelines. The infinity stone taken away make darker timelines. But any change to the past such as two captain americad existing will create another timeline because "changing the past doesnt not change the future" go watch dragon ball super where trunks explains this perfectly
They made an alternate timeline by traveling there in the first place. They didn't make a new timeline by changing things, they just changed the alternate timeline they already created. Taking an Infinity stone away would destroy the alternate timeline because they protect against evil.
I like the one where there were 2 Caps in the main MCU time line best. I love the thought of when he is speaking to Peggy on her death bed, she is keepin that secret from him, for his own good of course. That visit would also let Cap know everything in his time line is going to plan. And if you watch the scene, what Peggy says to capt makes sense if you have in mind she already married him.
It's nonsense, and it's the opposite of everything that happens in the actual film, but you are free to like it, sure.
@@summertyme5748 how's it the opposite from what happens in the film? Have you heard of the bootstrap paradox?
So basically they had a loophole for the movies plot .
@John Doe but I enjoyed movie
Luckily they left the kind of blood hole, that rather than leaving you angry, you can have a fun time trying to fill
@John Doe Yeah past Thanos was killed BEFORE he could ever snap them and the snap still happens anyways like wat? and Dr. Strange just watches IM dies instead of saving him using the the time stone for the sake of drama and a conclusion to Tony's character? how did Tony even snap in the first place, he wasn't even wearing a gauntlet, just stick them to his suit and that's it? "let's just gives fans an "I am Iron Man" scene, people gonna LOVE IT!
@John Doe Thanos wasn't trying to snap the universe away when he was pulled to the future. Just balance it.
John Doe
That part was explained though. Time travel automatically creates alternate timelines instead of retroactively affecting the time traveler’s present. The “past” Thanos that traveled to the main timeline’s present came from an alternate timeline, and so whatever happens to him has no bearing or connection to the main timeline’s Thanos.
the looper is really obsessed with the avengers huh 😳
Onikalicious MCU’s the trend, and trends get views. They might not be obsessed, just woke. 💁🏽♀️
@@Gabriel-jk6ce tf? That literally makes no sense. Do you know what woke means? This is why buzzwords suck...you can't use it wherever you think it might fit.
Doc Do you understand what it means? Because I’ve been using it way before it was mainstream. Stick to urbandictionary, my g.
After 3 months I've figured out xD that Cap travel back to the past then creates a new timeline. Basically, he lives in peace with Carter and his succeed the mission in another timeline while other Cap being an Avenger in the main timeline. So, the theory that two Caps lived during main timeline is like nonsense for me. I rather stand with the director's statement instead.
It's very simple. Capten America saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy......Till the end of time. And at the time when the Cap was fought with the other Cap somewhere in the city was the third old Cap. And that is the simplest.
the director's statement is bullshit
Steve going back to Peggy in another timeline works more in terms of what is established in the movie
nope,stop taking drugs
@@SupportGamin2024 yeah its true
If cap made the time jump, shouldn't he still come back at the end of the countdown (just like when all the avengers come back at the same time, after collecting the stones) and not before or after?
There was no countdown because he didn't use the suit. He just went through time like the rest of us, one day at a time. Hence, why he aged.
@@alfredstimoli2590 He used the suit to come back to the present timeline a little bit before he was at the bench. He simply walked there.
And the reason all the Avengers came back at the same time was because they all set the time they traveled to to the same time. For example. Imagine if say Tony for some reason got trapped in the past for 1 year. If he set his time travel suit thing to 8/8/19 2:04 pm like all the other Avengers he would still appear at the exact same time as them even though he lived for an entire year.
Angelo Crespo
I don’t understand how Cap returned the stones to each timeline, but he never resurfaced back to his own reality first, 2023. It’s like he went back to 2014, then 2013, and then 2012, but wouldn’t he have just been going back to that specific futures’ past, and not the past where they acquired the infinity stone? They says there there are alternate realities and timelines, but he is able to go back and return the stones, to each specific reality? When he came back as well, he didn’t return to the quantum machine, he appeared on a bench. Understanding the quantum realm is very difficult.
@@Ddyoutube100 As stated above, Cap didnt came back to the quantum machine using time heist. He just went there to give his shield. Meaning that while the young Cap is still fighting Loki, and 2023 Cap time heist-ing with Tony and Scott, old Cap are sitting somewhere at home and not involved in any of the actions so that he did not disrupt the future. He lived somewhere until 2023 and went to the lake (walking, driving etc not time heist-ing) to give Falcon his shield. The question is that from which Cap did he get the shield and how that timeline Cap be able to fight without the shield lol
Directors have to have it. There is no way Steve Rogers would let Bucky Barnes stay as the winter soldier. No way.
It would be pretty cool to see Captain America through the Cold War.
I just finished choking the chicken that's why im still awake
FUNNY. AS. HELL.
You guys need girlfriends...
I think by each time travel they continue to create new realities, not just by taking a stone. I mean Loki stole the space stone, even by fixing it there still happened sth else, I don't think those realities just "disappear" by giving back the stones. I understood it more like they just need the stones to keep their new reality safe.
Also I don't think Cap existed multiple times in the main timeline. If Cap existed twice in the main timeline, it would mean the main timeline is already a changed timeline. There had to be a start with all the time travelling though.
I agree with the two Steve Rogers explanation, as it's more fitting and brings closure to his story....
Best directors to keep much love them😍
I thought this when i first watched it. Artistic license meant he wasn't going to appear on the machine. That would have looked so wonky, old man cap in the Pym suit clutching the shield lol.
The Russo's theory makes more sense. Assuming Cap starts his new life from circa 1945 onwards...there is no way he is going to be able to live till 2023 normally, so he'll have had to time travel one way or another.
*IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PAST - YOU SIMPLY CREATE A NEW REALITY* - The Filmmakers.
- keep repeating this until it sinks in. Lol. Those who disagree don’t have another theory. They only have a ‘too dumb to follow the f’kn plot!’ rotlf
@@summertyme5748 Yes, Captain america traveled to a new reality and lived his life with peggy and then used the quantum realm to return to the og timeline and give sam his sheild
I would love to see a movie or show based all on the stories he had as a “normal” citizen as Steve Rogers with Peggy.
Changing the past at all would create a new timeline, it's already different by virtue of the time traveler being there when they originally weren't. The Ancient One was just emphasizing the importance of the infinity stones to each respective timeline, that taking them would result in a bad timeline.
*IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PAST - YOU SIMPLY CREATE A NEW REALITY* - The Filmmakers.
- keep repeating this until it sinks in. Lol
*The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world… If you go back to the past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created a new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe.* - Joe and Anthony Russo.
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It’s obvious that the filmmakers are correct about the film. But consider the foolishness of refusing to accept this *simple and clear premise.* If you can go back to the past of your own timeline - then it follows that anyone who then travels to the future - would also be in the future of that timeline....since there is nothing preventing you from traveling to the future to begin with. Fine. In that case why not go back to the past... and then grab anyone in history and bring them forward to the future. For example Steve Rogers could easily go back to 1945 get Peggy Carter - *from the main timeline* - and then come back thru the Quantum bridge with her to 2023. Why not? For that matter - why not get Tony Stark and Bucky and Natasha and Abraham Lincoln and make them all alive and young and whole again? If it is possible to travel to the past in your own timeline - then it must be possible to travel back to the future in the same timeline. Therefore any *dead person* from the past - can be brought back to the future. *This makes a complete nonsense of any story that you would ever attempt to tell.* The Russo’s have figured this out -> those who disagree are just being LAZY FILM WATCHERS. They are clearly *not thinking* about the logical consequences of what they are saying.
The guys who actually wrote the movie disagree. They say he was in the main timeline all along.
You'd think this stuff would be discussed as the movie is being made, but apparently not.
You'd think the writers would have more impact on the movie , but they don't. The script is mostly like a guide and the director has a lot of say on where the movie goes so if a director thinks something works better in the performance then on the page, then they might go with that over the script. Stuff like ad libs and just flubs make it into movies all the time that weren't in the script. Heck the first and the last time Tony stark says "I am Iron man " they were both are ad libed and not in the script.
But wasnt it confirmed that Steve was there all the time. Like at Peggy’s funeral
The writers want to suggest that the ancient one implied that only taking the stones away it what would cause the timeline to split. In that base how would they explain the reality that the second thanos left(and died) returning to the normal course and the first snap if the stones were returned?
I never sleep
Why does everyone forget the conversation with Bruce about time travel? I always took the Ancient Ones explanation about the infinity stones to be bad realities that will be created. Because if removing a stone and returning resets that reality, then what happened to Loki in the 2012 timeline? Or Gamora from the 2014 one? Heck you can go so far to say that if Cap returns the stones to 2014 and it resets the timeline, Thanos never came to 2023 and Stark would be alive. The writers explanations keep making it more complicated. What the directors say about Cap makes the most sense to the time travel theory presented in the film. Really hope they clear this up in the Disney Plus series.
The real question is where did he get the shield cause the one with cap in the ice is the one that Thanos broke
Its the original shield that was repaired after the battle. There was most likely a month or even several before they sent Cap to return the stones. He even has the repaired shield on his hand when he goes back to return the stones. So in short its the original shield that he always had repaired some point between the battle against Thanos and him taking the stones back.
Ok not 100% sure of if he had it with him thats just how I remember it. I thought either Sam or Bucky handed it to him just before he went to the past but I might be wrong. I don't mind if I am wrong and it was from the new timeline as I am all for it still they could have easilly fixed the shield with some Wakandan tech.
Dr Strange could have used the Time Stone to restore the shield.
It could have been repaired, a shield from an alternate timeline, or a brand new one. Remember that Steve now has connections to Wakanda - aka Vibranium central - so getting the raw materials for it isn’t nearly as hard as it was back when the shield was first made.
Howard Stark would’ve kept back some of the vibranium he had (like he did Steve’s blood) and made him a new one when he landed back in 1948.
Clint Eastwood just made it more complicated...
Ha ha lol
All time travel back into the past in this film is through *different timelines.*
Why Nebula can kill her old self without dying -> *different timelines.*
Why Cap can fight Cap -> *different timelines.*
Why Thanos from past is now alive again, and killing him at the end of the film does not undo his collecting the stones in the 1st place -> *different timelines.*
Why Thor can take his hammer from the past -> *different timelines.*
Where Cap gets the shield he gives to Falcon at the end of the film -> *different timelines.*
How Cap can dance with Peggy in the past -> *different timelines.*
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As per the filmmakers. Anyone saying main timeline simply creates an irresolvable plot-hole [paradox and plot hole actually have the same meaning], that’s why the filmmakers reject it.
If you disagree....open invitation to reply and we can discuss. 😎
This concept of different timelines, the terminator series does it, it seems to be working for their franchise. Waiting to see if the Star Trek franchise will use it. ( By the way Picard knows a being out there his name is "Q" who can snap his fingers and reset time). There is that finger snapping thing again.
I was just watching an emotionally entertaining movie. I wasn't trying to figure out anything and further confusing any situation
Best ending ever. Cap gets to live two lives. The other one after going back in time to be with Hayley Atwell. So worth it.
Still just one life.
Doc true but he lived different realities one that we know of from the movies and one where he lived a quite life.
I need sleep
FUZZWAR Go to sleep
What time is it over there it is 2 AM in the morning In Fort Worth Texas I just got back from a party
I want sleep but endgame is more important
It's 3:43in VA.. I'm just happy to know i have family up with me even tho we don't even know each other 😆
If Cap indeed created an alternate timeline he might have been lived there for almost 70 years so how he could've been able to secure the quantum suit and pym particle in such a long time it's so confusing
@@marsbars6869 OMG 😅
Why couldn’t he kept the quantum suit that he went back in time with and the remaining amount of Pym particles that he had left?
He didn't. He got the pym particle from the alternate time line.
what's to confusing about keeping a suit and a liquid particle?
@@ArsArcanum 70 years. That's what.
There were still two Steve Rogers existing at the same time in time no matter if it was an alternate timeline or the main timeline because Steve Rogers went back in time to a time that past Steve Rogers was still frozen in ice.
If things were to progress in the alternate timeline in a similar manner to the original timeline (and I don't see why they wouldn't) then past Steve Rogers frozen in ice is going to be revived around the same time as it occurred in the original timeline and then you'll have two Steve Rogers running around even in the alternate timeline.
So, no matter which scenario you used (alternate timeline or main timeline) there are still going to be two Steve Rogers existing in one timeline.
There is no way of escaping that fact because Steve Rogers is going back in time to a time where his past self is frozen in ice.
Steve Rogers going back in time does NOT cause his past self that is frozen in ice to cease to exist.
exactly what don't these dumbasses understand?
@@SupportGamin2024 says: *exactly what don't these dumbasses understand?*
There's also another point that I'd like to make...
How were the Infinity Stones returned to the main timeline (which is what needed to be done) if alternate timelines were created in the first place?
Unless everything occurs in the main timeline the movie doesn't make any sense.
Professor Hulk stated in the movie that you can't change the past when you go back in time because the past becomes your future, there is a simple way to explain this without the need for alternate timelines to be created for a solution to the problem.
If you actually changed the past (which didn't happen in the movie as Professor Hulk stated) you would cause the alteration of memories even to the person doing the time traveling.
The person doing the time traveling would most likely acquire new memories of the actions that he did in the altered timeline while still maintaining his original memories of what he did in the original timeline.
In the movie it appears that your past self is a separate entity than your future self and based on the rules that Professor Hulk stated in the movie that makes sense.
So, as it's clearly been revealed in the movie past Gamora and past Loki have now replaced their present selves that are dead in the main timeline's present.
Past Gamora now exists in the present time in the main timeline and has replaced her present self that Thanos killed in Infinity War.
As for Loki's past self he likely exists in the present time in the main timeline as well only we don't know the events of what he did leading up to the present yet and they will likely be covered in his upcoming Disney + series.
Loki also has the past version of the Space Stone which has replaced the now destroyed version of the Space Stone in the present time.
So, as you can see you don't even need the creation of alternate timelines in the first place, everything can easily play out and be explained as happening in the main timeline, and as far as I'm concerned how I explained it above is exactly how it appears to me in the movie.
Two timelines. Two jumps back. First, he lives an alternate timeline with Peggy Carter. Whether he is an active Captain America, who knows? Probably. He saves Bucky, etc, etc. Then he uses Pym particles to go back again and lives a normal life, leaving the original MCU timeline undisturbed.
Steve Rogers would not age at a normal rate. So, if he only went back once and maintained the original MCU timeline, you would think he would look to be between 45 to 60 (at most), not fully aged.
Also, Sam was at Peggy's funeral. Presumably, he knew that Steve had, or wanted to have, a relationship with Peggy Carter. For the life Steve lived that left the timeline undisturbed, perhaps he had a relationship with someone other than Peggy Carter. This might be why, after Sam notices the wedding ring and asks, "Do you want to tell me about her?", Steve says, "No, I don't think so."
How many endgame videos will u make?
Looper: yes
I think you missed the point when the ancient explained alternate timelines. Removing an 8nfinity stone was only an example of a change to the timeline that would create the alternate timeline. Alternate timelines and infinity stones werent mutually exclusive.
Correct. I find it astonishing that Looper can't understand that the issue is the underlying fallacy of trying to change the past, or 'cause't the past to happen from the future. Professor Hulk gave them time travel for dummies and it was *still* too hard for them. 😂
What if we say the are two timelines, 1. That Captain America never returned and 2.the one where he walked back to that moment, meaning nothing changes, he gets to live his life and then wait till all the wars happen and then return to the same spot he left, meaning timeline one he never returned and they are continuing without him (original) and the other one where he stayed, he returned back to them when he is older (alternative)
Cap was in an alterantive timeline main reason why, because taking the stones out of a timeline was not the thing that caused another timeline. The moment new timeline was created was the moment someone traveled back from the future as they never were there originally so even their mere presence was enogh to cause a new timeline.
So many people undestands the Ancient Ones statement of why the stones need to be returned as it would make the timeline go how things happened in the main timeline. This of course is not correct as she clearly states that the stones need to be returned so the timelines where they are taken will not get screwed over as the stones all need to be there to balance the flow of time. If you take one out it would cause huge problems to that timelines reality.
So there is at least five different timelines/realities to what I remember of the movie. First one is the new original Avengers timeline where Loki escapes with the Tessaract. Second one is Hawkeye and Black Widow getting the Soul Stone. Third one is War Machine and Nebula getting the Power Stone. Fourth one is the new 1970's timeline where Cap and Tony get the Space Stone and Cap most likely stayed in this timeline to live with Peggy after returning the Space Stone there. Fifth is Rocket and Thor getting the Reality Stone. Sidenote the Thanos that they fight at the end is from the third timeline/reality as he uses information from Nebula to find them.
What about the fact that Thanos and his army is now gone and not even existed in the past, doesn’t that mean there is no Infinity War, Gamora is gone too, and that means no Guardians of Galaxy. Let’s face it, the timeline is already so messed up that even if there were 2 Caps, it can’t get much messier
In another timeline
I respect the writers but I prefer Russos more because even if Cap returned the stones, the Tesseract and scepter were already destroyed to harness the stones. And as we see scepter were only destroyed in AoU while the Tesseract were destroyed in Infinity War.
He took the cab.
Doesn’t make sense that main MCU timeline had 2 Captain America’s, if so that means a future Avengers would have done something similar and killed their Thanos before he was able to snap half of everyone, which didn’t happen. It’s a time paradox, alternative timelines is the only way any of this makes any sense.
Finally I got my answer after 3 months..
So you're been waiting for an answer , what the fuck is wrong with you. ?
Please go out and get laid.
I am pretty sure they answered this a month after release to a foreign paper.
@@strifefraser5102 thankyou so much for your advice if it wasn't for you I would have died a virgin
@@habibjutt3220 I hope she was prity.
Why the fuck were you asking Such a stupid question
How'd Cap return the soul stone?
Very carefully.
@@awkwardsilence4427 😂
So are the stones back in their time line
Yes. HOWEVER, the stones that thanos destroyed in the main timeline are effectively gone. therefore if I’m not mistaken, the current main MCU timeline has no actual stones which leaves them extremely vulnerable to attacks from other dimensions according to the first Doctor Strange movie.
This is just stupid. This really didn’t need to be explained. It’s simple, if went back in time and stayed with Carter, he grew old with Peggy, and remembered the spot where he left.
it's so simple, yet so many ppl make a big deal and cry plot hole. But i blame the writers for speaking nonsense
Will falcon get the super solder serum to complete his transformation in to cap ? Or will he be a normal fellow. with out his wings and gadgets will he be a match for super beings the real cap ran cycles around him literally on your left lol guess we will see
he will die on the first episode and title will go to Bucky
It would be cool if cap traveled back in time and got the secret super soldier formula and then gave it to Sam in endgame
Marcus and mcfeily dont make sense when it comes to their theory and they ignore parts of the movie
did they even watch the film? I doubt it cuz they are idiots.
So then if there are two caps from different timelines from the same story. Then it's an infinite loop for Cap and just doesn't know it. So that means that every time we rewatch the Marvel Avengers movies then it would be like watching a different timeline from the same story every time with a different Cap!
2 Steves, but same person. Young Steve frozen in Ice, and Old Steve who has previously fought in Wars young steve has yet to fight. Old Steve goes back to Marry Peggy, and he kept a low profile so as not to tip anyone, even his younger self off to what is going on.
I go with the writers theory. That makes more sense. The two Steve's doesn't meet each other so timeline is not broken and the older Steve would've taken measures to keep his identity hidden even from the SSR and govt and most of Peggy's friends so that they wouldn't recognise him.
Too many plot holes if he wasn’t in an alt timeline and then came back.
Glad that he got to be with Peggy, but it makes no fucking sense for him to not intervene in the tragedy that would occur if he was in the main timeline.
If Cap went back in time and lived with Peggy Carter in the main timeline then wouldn't he have been on Peggy's spinoff show Agent Carter, since that's based in the main timeline as well?
Unless he went back to a time after the events of the show. Though the reason _why_ he would do that is an absolute mystery.
vampuerile No Agent carter took place after the first avenger in the main timeline when cap was submerged in the ice. So in this new timeline the events of agent carter probably never happened
I leave more confused now than when i came here
It's very simple. Capten America saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy......Till the end of time. And that is the simplest.
@@fotister4160 what, he lives in a loop now?
The writers are wrong because hulk said that they can’t go back in time and kill thanks as a baby because it would create an alternate timeline so they had to get the stones and return them
Technically, there we 3 Captain Americas in 1970 and 2012.
Well, it doesn't really matter. Because even if Cap staying in the past created a new timeline, and that's a big if since he isn't an infinity stone, that timeline started in 1948. Everything we have seen in the MCU save for the first Cap A movie, has taken place in that alternate timeline.
Two caps existing in the same timeline doesn't break the established rules of Time Travel, who even wrote this?
He didn't use PYM PARTICLE, He just showed up since he knew the time and date of the event. So he basically lived his life and showed up at the precise time...
no. He lived his life and got old with peggy, then return with the suit and pim particles after she died.
The Ancient one
She should be called:
The Annus one
Looper: Another Endgames video
Audience: Ah shit, here we go again
Change anything , change everything .
From broken glass to a missing Infinity stone . He changed something , so he made an alternate timeline .
Proof : Loki took the tesseract and was gone . He created an alternate timeline without the tesseract leaving the timeline .
Bruce Wayne same with Thanos coming from 2014 to 2023, that 2014 timeline no longer has a Thanos to threaten the universe...which, most likely and logically, would open up the door for someone or something just as dangerous or more dangerous than Thanos, to assume his "role". Thanos was a great evil and was important to the universe. So with him permanently from that timeline, it only opens the door for a "successor", so to speak, to fill up the void.
OH MY GOD
they still haven't stopped
always amazed me that at the end, old man steve is sitting on a bench right after he left his current time line to live in an alternate time line.....he sort of broke that "back to the future" time travel no no that the Avengers said could not work.
Either way, Cap is the one person in the whole world who definitely deserves to get his cake and eat it too.
So at one point there were 3 CAPS. 2023 CAP, OLD CAP, & FROZEN CAP...
I think that the explanation of the russo brothers makes more sense , if steve went back in time and lived on the sime time line of the movies than it would mean that going back in time does affect your current time line , whick will go against what the hulk said when he was asked why not to go back in time and kill baby thanos .
Of course.
Russo's take also accounts for how Steve looks "his age" when he ages slowly.
But whenever you time travel, no matter where you go, you always come back at the time you left in the present, albeit a few seconds off. That still makes no sense. Who was manning the station to let him back in the present if he came earlier?
How many Endgame videos that looper post : 14,000,065
How many that were good : 1
So is that the one video that Dr. Strange said would be good?
Well considder, Steve took the time to learn about all the things he missed while in the Ice. It may have given him a possible unfair knowledge in terms of investments etc, but he knew how to stay out of his own way. As for Fury, we don't know if Fury knew about Steve, or whether Tony's father ever found out about Steve.
Certainly, he knew well enough to stay out of, or at least hidden at the funeral. I think it would be hard for Fury not to be aware of someone like Steve. But he would have little to no media output knowing that he would have flagged up on Hydra's radar. Hydra wasn't looking for anyone obscure, only people they considered useful, so any file on Old Steve would have been skipped over as insignificant.
Sharon Carter kissed her uncle? Ewww, gross!
sweet home ALABAMA
Is prolly not just the kiss....im pretty sure they bang a few times as well : P
GOOD LORD YOUR RIGHT
‘’That was a difficult winter. A blizzard had trapped half our
battalion behind the German line.
Steve, Captain Rogers,
he fought his way through a HYDRA blockade that had
pinned our allies down for months.
He saved over 1,000 men. Including the man who would...
Who would become my husband, as it turned out.
Even after he died, Steve was still changing my life.‘’
Interview with Peggy Carter in 'Winter Soldier'.
Which means that Peggy's niece was not related to Captain America, about the kiss.
Or she was her brother's daughter.
No because Sharon was Peggys niece in the original timeline and peggy didn't have kids with captain america in the original timeline. Cap went to another timeline and he had kids with peggy which doesn't effect the timeline we saw in the MCU movies, only the timeline they time traveled to
Why couldn't he just be in the main timeline, change his name, chill out, and not be captain America?
When Steve came back after being frozen and peggie seing him one more last time before she had past away , I want to know during avengers endgame when he went back in time to redo his life with her if she was still dead in the current timeline & only remembering what she last saw of him when she was an old women in the hospital bed as he went back to the past in endgame to redo all the as if it never happened for him to come back to the current timeline now old as he was supposed to and for her to still be dead anyways at this point but for her to know she got to live her life with him after him going back in time at that point also .... ?
Misleading title. And there is really NO WAY ON EARTH the character of Steve Rogers/Captain America would sit idly by and let Bucky be used the Soviets and kill Tony's parents or let Hydra infiltrate SHIELD. Whatever explanation is finally settled upon, it cannot have Cap do something totally out of his character.
Correct. The filmmakers explanation of the film makes sense and stands. Any other ‘explanation’ does not make sense and cannot stand:
*IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PAST - YOU SIMPLY CREATE A NEW REALITY* - The Filmmakers.
In that reality, Cap could save Bucky, he could therefore prevent Howard Stark from being murdered (by Bucky), prevent Hydra from destroying Peggy Cater’s shield. Etc..
maybe he did? and its part of the reality and steve like the writers said was in a time loop. 1) why did hydra rescue and use Bucky and carry him through time? especially if they thought cpt america was dead? why risk his potential rebellion vs anyone else. But if they had privy info cpt was alive and well they sure would as possible leverage against cpt.2) natasha mentions she met WS and survived with a non lethal shot thru the abdomen... unrealistically lucky.Perhaps cpt rescues Bucky. Tells Bucky whats going on and Bucky volunteers to continue infiltrating hydra anyway.Knows who natasha was to cpt and lets her live 3)Why Howard stark would make a death bed video to Tony to help resolve the arc mystery. Why make a video at all? why would he think he wouldn't be around to mentor him? Only dying parents do that. Or ones that may have to leave for the sake of the future.4) Why would WS kill starks on film, he is smarter than that???? Unless it might have been faked and why he tells Tony he remembers the moment.5) Ws knew cpt america wasn't coming back. Knew where he was sitting and nodded with foreknowledge to Sam to take the mantle.6) why create shield at all? Plus its run by howard and peggy only???7) who created the idea for the avengers initiative? Its believe to be nick fury. But nick's own words were "there was an idea". Maybe cpt from the past.
1) Why did Hydra rescue and use Bucky.
⬆️ Bucky has been the Winter Soldier - used by Hydra since the comic books. This has never had anything to do with how time travel works in EndGame. Nor do the director’s or writers imply any relationship between Winter Soldier and how time travel works. So this is something you are making up as if - *these were real events which you are free to create fantasy interpretations of which are in no way related to anything seen on screen or intended by any of the creators of the story.* It is the very essence of bad fan fiction. I can just easily decide that Red Skull is Steve Rogers daddy. Please don’t confuse fan fiction with facts based on evidence.
2) re: Natasha mentions that she met Winter Soldier and survived.
*So what? She also met and fought him again in Winter Soldier and survived. She says she was shot thru the abdomen while he killed his target with the same shot. What does this have to do with time travel? Nothing.*
Re: Perhaps cap rescues Bucky. Tells Bucky what’s going on and Bucky volunteers to continue infiltrating Hydra. ⬅️ 😂 😂 😂
*So much nonsense here. Start with the fact that Cap goes back to 1945, and Bucky murders Howard Stark in 1991. You are implying that Bucky is just playing along, but that includes murder of Howard Stark....or you are implying that Cap waits 50 years before telling Bucky....???* Most importantly you are forgetting that Bucky is a mind controlled slave brain raped by Hydra... so how can Cap *cure him by “telling him what’s going on”???* I mean....WTF??? 😂 You are also forgetting that even in 2019 - Bucky is in mental treatment in Wakanda and only semi-stable? None of what you are saying in point 2 makes any sense. And none of it is *relevant* to the time travel issue at hand.
Miller: re: 3) Why would Howard Stark make a death bed video to Tony.
⬆️ He wasn’t on his death bed. You are implying that he knew he was about to be murdered? But let it happen? You know the whole idea behind this time loop began with the silliness that Cap would go back and no one would know, therefore you would not be changing anything.
You are now reduced to having everyone knowing that they are in a loop, and allowing themselves.... commit murder, or be murdered, because, well...uh shit, I can’t even explain your bullshit thinking. Anyway, you’ve only illustrated the absurdity of the initial fantasy of 2 Steves living in the past with no on knowing. That didn’t work, even for you. But now everyone knows and just plays along. 😂 Anyway - you can’t get everyone to willingly loop the past so that Steve can go back in time and live his life a second time round and marry Peggy. You are still left with the issue that Peggy must live from 1922 - thru 2016 and die, 7 years before Cap goes back in time. *This is the paradox you are not in any way addressing, while you lead a marry chase thru illogical speculation and pure fan fiction.*
Why wouldn't they just get Hulk to push time through him like he did with Ant Man?
I want to know how he left with Mjolnir, but comes back with his shield.
Coach Butch because he left Mjolnir in 2013, and somewhere in the past, he retrieved an unbroken shield. It really isn't that hard to understand lol Whatever you have a hold of, comes through time with you. He simply had his shield but not Mjolnir. Kinda like when you are carrying two things, and you put one thing down to open a door and you leave it behind, but the other thing you are still holding comes with you. The thing you put down and leave behind stays where it's at. It's that simple lol
He took the Mjolnir because he had to return it to Asgard along with Ether and Black Panther made for him the new shield. That is, at some point the Black Panther knew that Cap was old. And I think I see it in Black Panther's eyes when he comes out of Doctor Strange's gate. He had made the shield before Infinity War.
What happen to thors hammer?cap was holding it when he time travel back to return the stones right?but come back only with the shield.
He took the Mjolnir because he had to return it to Asgard along with Ether and Black Panther made for him the new shield. That is, at some point the Black Panther knew that Cap was old. And I think I see it in Black Panther's eyes when he comes out of Doctor Strange's gate. He had made the shield before Infinity War.
@@marsbars6869 The old man made the new shield because he knew that his old one would be broken by Thanos. And Howard Stark had told him that with as much Vibranium as they had, they made the shield. The Black Panther had endless stock. And since nothing has changed in the way, it's the same Timeline.
@@marsbars6869 Yes, it is. It's very simple. Capten America saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy, until the other captain defrosts and saves the world and returns to marry Peggy......Till the end of time. And that is the simplest.
Cap probably put all stones back but one so he lived with Peggy then when he was old he travelled to the past to place that one stone back and travelled to 2023
Exactly what I was thinking, he spent the rest of her life with her and when she passed on he returned the last stone and went back to the main timeline(2023)
Ok, let's figure this thing out. He took 4 viles of Pym particles in 1970, 1 vile = 2 jumps. He and Tony used half of one each to return. Now there are 2 full viles and 2 half used viles.
There is only supply for 6 jumps now, unless he got more from Hank Pym after he returned from the blip. If he left with only 6 possible jumps, he didn't have the 7th to get back to the original timeline that he left.
Now concerning old cap, the only way this makes sense is if every movie we watched was the looped timeline where everything was happening for the second time, if Cap successfully did not interfere with history, everything would happen exactly the same. MCU 616 is the branch where cap stayed with Peggy (he would have had to take another vile of PYM particles from 1970 when returning the space stone), I think they are implying that we were watching the looped time from the start with old Cap always there.
Other options, he could have met America Chavez in his old age, but she can't pinpoint specific dates to jump to, I think.
Kang is the only one who could make the very same Steve Rogers on that bench be the same that left on that time pad moments earlier. That would be one hell of a cameo somewhere in the Kang story coming up.
Now, where old Steve got that brand new shield from is a mystery for sure.
PS, The Russo's are wrong on one point, to get back to the prime (original) timeline, there MUST be a return pad /device used. This pad or return apparatus must be initially programmed from the prime timeline beforehand, this is consistent throughout the entire MCU whether it's Antman's van or a quantum time pad. Old man Cap couldn't just appear. You also MUST be wearing a Quantum Suit; he was in street clothes! All of the MCU (IS) that branched timeline.
Makes way more sense than the writers' theory.
Just have him come back through the time machine as an old man. That's what I was expecting!
Why can't people just enjoy a movie?
In the DC universe superman cartoon where toyman blast the man of steel with a "tachyeon" ray gun and sent him into a dystopian future, Savage, who screwed the balance of the universe asked for supermans help by sending him BACK into the past to stop Savage from doing so. When asked why not just send himself back in the first place, savage mentioned that, and i am paraphrasing, anyone in the present timeline cant both exist in the same period due to the grandfather theory. But superman LEFT that timeline to go Forward in time hence he does not exist from that point forward. Savage sends Sups back, stops present day savage from screwing with the universe and when the camera pans back to Dystopia Savage, the scene changes from dark and desolate to pristine and full of life and he exclaimed something i cant really remember. I believe an opposite of this theory is used for Captain America however he would have to lice a complete life of solitude never to interfere with whatever he had NEVER done in the time from the past till Endgame. Its all pretty far fetched but come on, professor hulk and Magic. What else CANT be possible?
Steven Rogers born July 4 1918.
Enlisted in the army when he was 24 years old.
It freezes at 25 for 70 years.
He woke up in 2013 (95 years old).
Another 10 years until ENDGAME, 105 years old.
He went back to 1950 and lived the life he wanted until 2023.
Another 73 years. Total :178 years old.
And even if we subtract the 70 years that were on the ice,
the year 2023 is 108 years old.
And they held up well.
In a interview of Peggy Carter in 'Winter Soldier'
means that Peggy's niece was not related to Captain America, about the kiss.
Fotis Ter You understand that the incest fans are saying that if you believe that Main Timeline Steve was married to Peggy - then that would make him her uncle by marriage. It would also mean that Sharon would know that Steve is Uncle Steve [come on how can Sharon - Agent of Shield - have no idea of who Peggy is married too]? The whole main timeline idea is like an urban legend. It’s just dumb.
Captain being nomad in the 50-60’s secretly
My theory is that Cap DID create an alternate timeline , where while the alternate Cap was in the ice, modern cap lied and everyone believes he is the alternate cap, then the moment peggy died he went back(thus why he was in the funeral easter egg) and then hid until he timed it just right to sit on the bench
He is *NOT* in the funeral easter egg. That is another lie. The picture shown is of a man whose hair is parted on the wrong side. After suggesting this, the writers turned around and admitted that there is no picture of old man Steve - in Civil War.
Of course the lie continues anyway, long after the person who spread it admits the lie - funny how lies work. 😂
@@summertyme5748 or so u think?????????????????????????????Its aaaaalllllll an illusion
@@furtzzg3643 summer Tyme is a troll
@@SupportGamin2024 yesir
They're bullshitting, they didn't think about it until people started asking.
I thought he just lived out his normal life and went to the lake same exact time he left
Then where does he get the shield?
Bruh he left with the shield when he went back in time it’s not that hard to understand😂
@@summertyme5748 He took the Mjolnir because he had to return it to Asgard along with Ether and Black Panther made for him the new shield. That is, at some point the Black Panther knew that Cap was old. And I think I see it in Black Panther's eyes when he comes out of Doctor Strange's gate. He had made the shield before Infinity War.
@@moneyboys7904 He took the Mjolnir because he had to return it to Asgard along with Ether and Black Panther made for him the new shield. That is, at some point the Black Panther knew that Cap was old. And I think I see it in Black Panther's eyes when he comes out of Doctor Strange's gate. He had made the shield before Infinity War.
Fotis Ter: “He took the Mjolnir because he had to return it to Asgard”
^ Correct. You have to return what you took from the pass time lines in order to clip the branches. But the questions was about where he gets the shield. Remember this while we address the rest.....
I’m with the Russos. Their explanation makes more sense. It aligns with Hulk and the Ancient One’s explanations. When you go to the past, your actions don’t change anything that has already happened in your timeline, but it does create a new branch timeline. So when cap went to that time and lived the rest of his life with Peggy, he has already created a new timeline where he and Peggy got married. But idunno. Maybe they’ll retcon this or make this more clear in future films. 🤔🤷🏻♂️
I think its the Russo's one. Cap does not age normally. So he wouldn't look that old if he was in the same MCU timeline. So he would have to come from an alternate time line and that too from the future in that timeline.
He does age normally, the super soldier serum does not affect the aging process.
Paul John
We don’t know when exactly (as in what year) he went back to in the past though. He might not have came back to immediately after his past self got iced.
@@i5C0R3Pi0N he does not age normally, dude. cap is about 160 years old at the end of the film. Trust me, i did the match from him joing the army at about 18 or 20+80 years (frozen to 2023) + about 70 years he spend with peggy in the alternate timeline b4 returning to the present. old.
The Endgame Shield Paradox:
One major plot hole no ones talking about is the shield cap gave to Sam Wilson. It was completely intact. However he didn’t take his broken shield back in time. Now he also ended up in the exact same timeline as ours, by which I mean the normal one. So where did he get the shield from??? His original shield went with his younger self into the ice and is now in pieces. And he didn’t take it back in time with him even if it was repaired in Wakanda.