This is priceless!!! You have taken the many hundreds of videos on this topic and condensed them into a seamless approach that prevents seepage and wicking failure. You always clearly explain what to do and not do. You do not leave any thing implied.
Amen on the step bench! I made one for my wife years ago. I used 2x12's. I made the bench 18inches wide. I have used it for everything. If I'm painting ceiling and trim? I can reach the ceiling with no trouble. My two 3ft step ladders stand in the corner. I always grab the 14inch tall bench. Lol Thanks so much for this info. Gearing up for a tub to floor shower conversion. Your vids are my biggest help. Thanks again.
Our Daughter and son in law just bought an older home we are completely gutting it to the bare walls. and yes, old fiberglass shower. leaked and ruined the floor. They were talking of a membrane system for their new shower. Thanks for this I sent them the link. I very much enjoy your videos. Thankyou.
I took the Schluter courses and they aren't as meticulous as you are. They don't encourage red guard so I initially took that stance but after seeing so many Schluter install failures, I'm convinced in what you're preaching. Thanks.
Did my shower a few years ago with redguard after watching one of your old videos. Amazing stuff! Reno’d my entire bathroom from watching you! Love it 👍🏻
Omg I'm so glad I used waterproof over the membrane. Someone told me I was just wasting money and time when I did exactly what you are doing. My biggest fear was shower failure, after all the work I put in. I did my own shower last summer, for never done it before, I believe it came out good, aleast I got alot of good compliments on it.
Thank you! I love your videos. I used to watch Holmes on Homes a lot. I love your renos, explanations, etc. You need to keep doing this. It's so amazing. Really appreciate your hard work you put into these videos! Take care
I used the Wedi system for my shower. No thinset and mesh tape. Just the Wedi board and the Wedi caulk i between each panel. 3 years and no leaks plus it was diy easy.
Did you redguard over your foamboard? I didn't use Wedi but another foam board product that is very similar. I didn't think redguard was necessary but now thinking maybe I should over the foam boards? Thoughts
@@Dinomitsios correct, all foam board is 100 waterproof so no need at all, but I kept hearing Jeff say to use redguard over foam so I started to second guess myself, lol
@@shawnphillips1220 if it’s installed correctly is the catch. Wedi has great installation training on RUclips. Watch the training video and you should be good to go.
I just rebuilt my shower with RRS pan, Flow FX drain and foam boards. I loved that they custom make the pan to your exact dimension. Pan and wall boards were coated at the factory. Then their caulk to seal everything. Then I applied tape over the seams. Lastly I added two coats of hydroban. This shower will never leak..
Hey, Jeff. One of the other things to remember, when dealing with a shelf that will hold shampoo, and the like, is that ANY detergent will remove water surface tension. (Funnily enough, I learned this when I was a Main Battle Tank Commander. We could never figure out why our radio auto tuners were constantly failing. It was because we used to store our bar of soap in the guard that protects the tuner body. The water would easily, and instantly, migrate past the seals and into the electronics, when things got wet.) So. When doing an inbuilt shelf, there should be absolutely no way for water to enter, as it will have a greater ability to enter any minor imperfection due to it's lack of surface tension. Random, but true. Look it up. Love your videos, Mate. Always watch what you're doing, even if it's not a project I need help with.
For weeks I've been wondering what the Schluter system is. I've never heard of Schluterboard before. Today I found out the company is from Germany and is half an hour's drive away from me. Schlüter system, the (ü) makes the difference.😆 The world is small. Thanks for the video, I learned a lot again. Greetings from Germany, home of the Schlüter System.😉
Great video. I just installed foam boards above my tub and around my shower, used kerdifix and the 2" strip for seams. I wasnt going to redguard but now you have convinced me to get it. You're right, theres absolutely no reason to spend this kind of money to remodel a bathroom and stop 1 step short of redguarding just for that extra layer of protection.
Honest question here. Shouldn't we be working from the bottom up, like when doing a roof? Water will flow down with gravity. If we start at the bottom and overlap every step of the way, overlap the higher over the lower, wouldn't that improve our waterproofing?
For painting, I bought the tools Jeff recommended and followed his techniques, Still not a fan of painting but the process was so much easier and the results were great.
I’m a professional tile contractor and watching you do this and some of the thang you do and say make me laugh 🤣 it should ok .e for effort when in doubt red guard it out
Great video! Doubling, and tripling up on prevention a great way to hedge against lack of experience. I'll be using these methods on my shower build. Thanks a lot!
Jeff, Matt, Erik & Christine it was great meeting you all. Thanks for sharing the campfire with us in Dallas! 🔥 please have Erik text Matt we didn’t get his text!
Perfect timing! Last week when I started remodeling my guest bathroom, our bedroom shower started to leaking into the basement. I really enjoy your videos and have used many of videos as sources for home projects.
This is the most thorough waterproofing video I've ever seen. Even the "real" tile guys' videos don't come close to how informative this one is. By the way, I'd like to point out how silly it is how one particular channel constantly posts videos with the title "we installed this shower a year ago and it failed!" Like, why should anyone listen to you, given the sheer number of failed installations you're being called back for? 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it! trusting in a product claim can be disasterous. especially as a pro. I think the issue with schluter is they are not designed for heavy use unless you have a heated floor installed to keep it dry! Cheers!
Love your videos. It occurred to me, after you painted the ceiling and began to apply the pink membrane on the walls that it might've been useful to have the membrane on the ceiling as well. Is there a reason that can't be done? Thank you for posting all the great videos. You've taught me a lot.
I recall my first time painting with red guard.. I didn't think of it much at the time but Jeff isn't kidding about fresh ventilation and a respirator. After 15 minutes I was starting to feel very weird. Had to take a break and mask up with 3M carbon filters.. Stuff is no joke.
Great videos. I just did a bathroom, however we have different products in Australia. Gripset make an excellent video on waterproofing membranes. Class 3. Some of the products are Class one or two, and could break down in a permanent wet environment. Correct thickness is important. The walls need to be primed prior to application (which looks like water with a bit of pva wood glue, but I do not know what is in it. Also, any smooth surfaces, (ie, plastic niche or metal trims), are primed with a different primer, otherwise the membrane will not adhere to it. I also filled the holes with a non silicone compound. Gripset make the corners out of a cloth with a what appears to be rubber imbedded in it. They also make them for the pipe inlets and outlets, and in long strips for corners and joint seams. Best video from America that I have seen though on how to seal a bathroom. Lots of useful advice on how to do the full processes from start to finish, and very helpful with the many problems you will encounter.
sounds alot like the european mapei-line same principle wierd primer 3 coats in mixed direction and even good for stationairy (people are lining their pools with the stuff)
Did my basement insulation thanks to you a few months ago (rigid foam + new frame and fiber glass). And now that I need to redo my bathroom, I can definitely learn more from this video. I can't thank you enough fellow Canadian! Happy new year tho ✌
Thank you for making a point of saying the backboard mesh tape is different. Concrete/thinset washwater is the same PH as chlorine bleach and dissolves the adhesive on the drywall mesh tape
I couldn’t agree more. I live in an apartment but enjoy just watching/learning,and hopefully one day getting to put this knowledge to experience it myself
Great work, extra steps for waterproofing is always worth it. If there's a will there's a way with water. Redguard off gas is potent, like ammonia burning my eyes and lungs, must wear a respirator. I started using hydroban from laticrete, way less fumes. IMO the dried product is also easier to see layout lines, marks etc. excellent video
Hi Jeff. Awesome job. Can't wait for the finished results. Pebble flooring is going to look gorgeous. Great choice. 👌. Thank you for sharing. Great content. Cheers! 👍. Take care.
I'd recommend either watering down the redgard or wetting the suface with a sponge for the first coat, helps the redgard to stick better, especially to concrete boards.
Quick question on the Seam tape. If you are building a Full on steam shower with a Waterfall shower add on. Should you then. Use the seam tape 40 bucks for 16ft. (😭💭🤣). All the way up the walls? If you tiling the entire area including the ceiling? (Watching your Channel for inspiration and COURAGE so THANK YOU. 😁👍🏼 Wondering: *aside from the vanity appeal* which is better for less maintenance🤔 a reg drain or the linear drains.
Hi Jeff, Have you heard of tile backer board? It's totally impervious to water use it all the time in the UK 🇬🇧 tiling on plywood is pretty much outlawed here now as it twists and pops the tiles drywall as well is a no no ..check it out Wedi board is well known brand and if used with the correct fixings and sealant will make the shower area completely waterproof so the tiles are just to make it look nice 😊
I'm enjoying your videos from Canada and will check out becoming a member. The best I think is when you know when to compromise. Kinda like not trying to put a 12' high ceiling into a 10' tall house. Good workmanship and care in addressing the details but also knowing where to draw the line. Contractors could learn a thing or two with such sensibility. I also appreciate when you make mistakes and you keep it in the video. Very humble of you and honest, helps from making those mistakes too, or when you do, how to fix them!! In case I missed it, what are those inside shower dimensions 30 x 60?
😮I used wedi board and wedi sealant It is much easier to work with and is lighter than cement board. No leaks. Great product for waterproofing especially for DIY.
and also the most expensive option. great for a diyer but i would never allow a contractor to use that stuff because integrity of the installer is the only defense. if they cut even 1corner it all fails.
Out of curiosity, would you not want to start with the ground sheet and then work your way up the walls with the corners etc? So it has correct overlapping - like with a roof or any other waterproofing?
Man you hit it on the button. I was just talking about this today membrane thin set underneath and then another membrane doesn't make sense yet no one could give me an answer even the company that makes the product.
Changing out the cover for exhaust fan is good. I would also consider just swapping out the motor as well. It is a cheap part and easy swap. less than 20 for brand new motor/fan to be screwed in. It is the same generic builders grade motor which is used everywhere.
Exactly. I plan on installing a standard pan with a back panel and everything, you know the standard corner shower setup, no tile, yet I still plan on waterproofing behind/under it just in case water somehow manages to get in behind it because it will, that's the whole reason I have to replace the existing shower because a silicon join failed and rotted part of the floor.
I would never put a custom tile shower base in a wooden structure. You guys trust it so much that you go ahead and water proof a water proofing product. Just be smart and use one piece fiberglass shower pan. Do your tile fantasy on the walls and ceiling.
@@Faruk651 with those you still usually have a seem between the tile and the pan (unless it is one of those full units that has the walls and shower screen all as one unit). the type I am installing has a base and a separate corner wall panel, so there is a seem where they meet. the previous shower was of the same design and water ended up getting in between the wall and the base (the house had been a rental for years so maintenance was not kept of with on the silicon). to stop that ever happening again, I plan on waterproofing behind the shower wall and the whole bathroom floor, that way if we ever have a failed join or someone lets the bathtub overflow or something, I don't really have to worry as much about water getting under something and soaking into the subfloor.
Great job ! Cant have too much waterproofing - there's enough shower failure vids on RUclips! Redgard specifies the thickness you should build to - usually takes at least 2 or 3 coats. If you have a thin membrane you can save some $ on the niche corners by cutting and overlapping your own corners (just watch the buildup) . Don't know if I'd ever want to mess with the goopy stuff in the corners instead of thinset.
I've made 2 full bathrooms using a marble showerpan with already integrated drainage, did the walls and corners only with a goopy rubber stuff (3 coats) Tiled the whole thing and filled it with epoxy -> haven't noticed any issues with water and 1 of the 2 was done straight on a simple drywall... I've even used this stuff in our basment to line the sides od where the floodpump-hole is -> stationairy water doesn't even find a way trough and its been a decade.. These product smell like S but dangit they are something else
99.99999 off injury comes with no guard on the grinder and grinding with a cutting wheel is not ideal but really learn on waterproofing a shower,great stuff
I love your videos Jeff. Thank you for helping so many people. I just want to say please, please, please, don't use that grinder so close to your stomach - it's just millimeters from cutting you. I know you're a seasoned pro and all that, but please be a little more conscious of how close it is to you! God bless!!
I watched both videos on this. It turned out great. I noticed that you put the waterproof membrane right over the drain with adhesive. I wasn’t sure how the water was supposed to get to the drain? Maybe I missed that. Any help would be good.
Amazing video! I used (as recommended) Loctite PL MAX with a Kerdi inside corner membrane and the Loctite was still moist under the Kerdi after 24 hours. I was still able to squeeze a little out with a plastic trawl. When will the Loctite dry so I can tile over it?
As good as this is,it requires a lot of steps that need proper execution. Since I will have to use unskilled help or contract it out, I am considering a walk in tub conversion using a one piece cast iron base. A shower seat. A Pr-fabricated surround with a glass wall on the long tub side, A recessed niche would be great but probably not in the scope. This would be nowhere as nice as a site built tile shower like you are building but affordable. I would love to do what you show but a stroke that has impaired the use of my dominant arm. I have yet to see any thing similar to what I am considering any where. This video is the best that I have seen yet. You always make the proper sequence clear and obtainable.
Hi Marty! keeping it simple makes it easier to get a successful reno. my advice is have the contractor use floor leveler before install. then all the components you want to use will install easily. Cheers!
According to the Redgard manufacturer, it is a “crack prevention” product capable of covering up to a 1/8” crack. No Thinset and membrane needed at seams!
What are your thoughts on epoxy grout? I had a pinhole leak I couldn't find, so I ended up taking off all the tile (with traditional grout) and resealing from scratch, and went with epoxy grout for that extra layer of protection. Iwas absolutely thrilled with the look (it's granite dust, so it will never discolor or fade) and the installation was so much better than standard grout.
@Cerceify The difficulty is in the cleaning. Standard grout is pretty easy to see and remove the haze, epoxy is a bit more clear, and when it dries, a lot more permanent. Get 3x the number of sponges you think you'll need (just get dollar store ones for the first wipes), and don't be afraid to switch to a new one. Also I ended up with a chemical burn from my forearms being in the rinse-water for too long/too many times, so get proper chemical gloves. but if all that sounds scary, it's a small price to pay when considering that you'll probably need color-restoration and/or crack repair as the house settles (epoxy is semi-flexible, so that prevents the issue) - or an outright removal and reapplication of standard grout if it's not fixable. Epoxy grout will outlast the rest of the renovation, so it really is one of those great investments. You just need to understand that powdered grout and epoxy grout are different products and not treat one as if it is the other.
Thank you for the explanation! What are your thoughts on GoBoard instead of the cement board and sealing it the GoBoard sealant? Then going over it all with the RedGuard like you suggested. I am going to use a Schluter shower pan kit if that makes any difference. It also comes with a roll of Kerdi waterproofing membrane so I could put that up after the GoBoard and before the RedGuard. Is this overboard? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Not sure if you covered this in this video or another, but you must perform a flood test (per UPC and I assume IPC) on your shower pan before tiling - this in my opinion is a critical step
It was a little bit surprising for me that after all the careful waterproofing using serveral layers and methods, with so much attention to every small detail, you left a huge open hole around the fixture. And it is right below the shower - there will be a lot of water flowing on the tile around the fixture. We always (I'm from a European country) put a special sleeve (ring) around all fixtures and pipes that go out of the tiles and the rings are incorporated into the waterproof system.
To my understanding red guard isn’t permanently water proof and can actually break down if submerged or in contact with water for too long. I do agree that redundancy is a great strategy. I’m installing a bathroom right now and even though I got great corners using the schluter system I’m still applying Ardex 8+9 acrylic/cementuous 2 part water proofing layer. It’s about twice as much as red guard, but seems like it should perform even better.
The tile coach videos I've seen showed red guard failing almost every single time, specifically when applied on top of mortar/thinset. Not a product I'd trust, to be honest.
All bullshit. I’m a contractor and I’ve built numerous showers and I’ve used Redgard 95% of the time and I’ve never had a problem and I still often go to the same houses to do other work!
Redguard requires a two layer application for waterproofing. I used it for crack prevention for a tile install and only one layer is recommended for that. Each jug does 100sqft so plan how much you need for your application.
Every time I go to home depot and buy something or Rona or home hardware.I always say see you in an hour Because I will inevitably Be back. That day sometime😊
Redgard is where it's at. Bob Doyle from Star Tile did an experiment where he waterproofed a cardboard box with that stuff and it was like a basin. Completely sealed every seam.
@@abcdefghijklmnop514 Fact is that the liquid topical membrane, when used correctly, in other words, if you use enough of it, will bulletproof any properly framed shower. You can lather two coats of it on to regular drywall and forget all the expensive name brand stuff. Look at the Schlutter linear drains for example. I've seen at least three separate tile guys reporting failures. That's why I like Bob Doyle. He does it old-school. Mortar bed, pvc membrane, and redguard. Zero failures
Lmao sorry Jeff im going to use it everywhere.. extra $40 going to another roll. Thank you again for all the information and patience in making these videos.
For LOCTITE approach on seam tape - Does it matter which LOCTITE adhesive you select for adhering the seam tape or is it more to just adhere the tape to the cement board and giving shape for the Redguard as the waterproof membrane...
what is the foam called? I didn't see a link to buy these. this would help me a lot on angling the floor of the shower towards the drain. I honestly had no idea before this video on how to do that. This is my favorite channel for any go to home projects. I've learned so much.
Can’t believe you used a pair of “sissy” cutters aka scissors! Just messing your the man all your videos and have taught me so much, thank you for your skills and knowledge
Home Depot and Wooster roller trays are smooth, Allow the tray to dry. Reuse. After two or more uses, just peel the paint out, and you'll have a brand new tray.
Howdy, I really appreciate your experience & wisdom. Can you do a video explaining, how homeowners can protect their wood. I have a covered wrap around porch. The original Florida construction was about 12 years ago. It is painted, floor is concrete, however about 3yrs ago when I was pressure washing. Some paint spots lifted on the wood bannister & handrail . I would like to pressure wash again, but I'm concerned about damaging it. My question is how do I reseal to protect, do I have to strip all the existing paint off 1st? How often should a reseal be done? BTW some of the paint is flaky
I have a lot of questions about this however the main one is when you said water does not splatter if your kids take a shower or you do and your in a hurry it'll splatter up it'll splatter around you but what do you use when the $40 tape isn't for high places or what do you use in the places you don't use that?
I might not have put that silicone bead in the pan corner at the same time and onto as wet thinset, I’d have put the silicone bead in those corners at the same time as all the other joins and corners, silicone them all first before any waterproof system goes on with thinset. Imo this is the right order to do this.
Looks good but I would not be putting redgard over thinset with obvious moisture still in it. The redgard won't stick/cure and will definitely turn to mush over time. I love regard too but it can fail and when it does it changes its color back to the peptobismal color is was originally.
I apologize for the handholding request, but do you not take the same all set and cover every screw hole before applying red guard? And also it appears you apply the alkaline resistant mesh over your cement board seams after applying the rolls of waterproof membrane?
Jeff , What is your thoughts on putting handicap bars in a bath tub with out tearing out the tile? Any help will be great, thank you and keep the videos come.
Thanks a lot for your videos, I have learned a lot. Despite loving your content, I must say, you should not use Kerdi Fix with your (Kerdi) membrane for water proofing. Isac from Tile Coach demonstrated that if you do that, you will have a leak. I suggest people to watch that video.
I like the self-adhesive alkalai resistant mesh tape. But then, I wasn't tiling- I was doing a glue-up surround and I covered everything with Aquadefense afterward. Worked fine and I also used Clark Deitrich PVC L-Bead trim with tear away strips. It covered the raw edges of the cementboard. It was around an old steel tub so I didn't have to worry about the whole shower floor thing. I used a roller to make it lay flat. I made the mistake of using a thinset that set up waaay too fast. It was supposed to have 20 to 30min. It cured in less than 10 the first time. I had to add icewater to the mix the next time to make it cure slower so I got maybe 15min of working time. It did not go on smooth either. My first attempt so it could have been worse. At least I covered everything with plastic so the inevitable spills/drips/etc didn't get on the floor or tub. My brother saw the Dude Wipes in the store and asked "How insecure does a guy have to be to get something called 'dude wipes' instead of normal wet wipes?" LOL. We get shea butter wipes (which are antifungal) and chamomile wipes (which are antifungal AND antibacterial). Probably not an issue up north, but in damp humid climates the antifungal really comes handy. I use generic version of Lysol wipes for cleaning stuff other than my own skin. I've seen pebble floors and they look horribly uncomfortable. I imagine they would be a pain to clean as well. Too many little pockets to catch dirt. I am forever losing the screws that come with things. LOL. You're not the only one who has to make multiple trips. Hopefully you're not far from a hardware store. My local one closes at 5pm on weekdays, noon on Saturday, & is closed on Sundays. Nearest hardware store aside from that is an hour away. I've actually managed to cut myself on that metal part on a paintbrush. No idea how, but I did it. I'm not very coordinated. LOL. Anytime I painted with my dad, I would have to wear a hat bc he would splatter paint all over-- and I was much shorter so it would land on my head. LOL. My friend's house has wooden windows. Mine has metal windows & they suck. The crappy exterior paint from the 80s may explain why everything we painted outside in the 80s had the paint deteriorate. My roller won't even roll. It just stays still. Probably bc its super cheap. LOL. That membrane stuff will peel off of skin- eventually. LOL. Not so bad if you peel it off & it doesn't hurt your skin. I had really crappy gloves that tore & kept getting stuck on things. I just lived with having greenish blue stuff (since I used Aquadefense instead of Redguard-- as the latter wasn't available here) on my hands. If you use any tape to tape stuff off to avoid getting the redguard on stuff, its best to tear the tape away while the redguard is still wet or else it starts to peel it off & the tape won't come away cleanly. Aquadefense also takes 2 coats. Man, wet Redguard looks like Pepto Bismol. LOL. If Redguard is anything like Aquadefense, you'll want to make sure any drips are cleaned up immediately bc if they form drips that stuff is hard and you can't mash it down. It's not easy to peel off a drip either.
Hi Jeff, great demo, thank you! I can't seem to find this style drain anywhere- with a concealed lip/clamping system. What is the name and model please?
Jeff, your channel is where DIYers like me can learn the actual work because you dive into details and show us problems and difficulties. Thank you 👍
Cheers Amir!
if this was a movie it would be found in the comedy section. trust me this guy has no business teaching anyone anything.
This is priceless!!! You have taken the many hundreds of videos on this topic and condensed them into a seamless approach that prevents seepage and wicking failure. You always clearly explain what to do and not do. You do not leave any thing implied.
Glad it was helpful!
Amen on the step bench! I made one for my wife years ago. I used 2x12's. I made the bench 18inches wide. I have used it for everything. If I'm painting ceiling and trim? I can reach the ceiling with no trouble. My two 3ft step ladders stand in the corner. I always grab the 14inch tall bench. Lol Thanks so much for this info. Gearing up for a tub to floor shower conversion. Your vids are my biggest help. Thanks again.
Our Daughter and son in law just bought an older home we are completely gutting it to the bare walls. and yes, old fiberglass shower. leaked and ruined the floor. They were talking of a membrane system for their new shower. Thanks for this I sent them the link. I very much enjoy your videos. Thankyou.
I took the Schluter courses and they aren't as meticulous as you are. They don't encourage red guard so I initially took that stance but after seeing so many Schluter install failures, I'm convinced in what you're preaching. Thanks.
Did my shower a few years ago with redguard after watching one of your old videos.
Amazing stuff!
Reno’d my entire bathroom from watching you! Love it 👍🏻
That is awesome!
Omg I'm so glad I used waterproof over the membrane. Someone told me I was just wasting money and time when I did exactly what you are doing. My biggest fear was shower failure, after all the work I put in. I did my own shower last summer, for never done it before, I believe it came out good, aleast I got alot of good compliments on it.
well done Kathy!
Thank you! I love your videos.
I used to watch Holmes on Homes a lot. I love your renos, explanations, etc. You need to keep doing this. It's so amazing. Really appreciate your hard work you put into these videos! Take care
Thank you! Will do!
Water proofing is never over kill!! The damage water does is worth it
A few videos ago I said your videos inspired me to become a carpenter and I just got hired to be a residential framing carpenter!
well done. enjoy building things with your hands. it is a meaningful career for sure. take pride in your work. Cheers!
I used the Wedi system for my shower. No thinset and mesh tape. Just the Wedi board and the Wedi caulk i between each panel. 3 years and no leaks plus it was diy easy.
Did you redguard over your foamboard? I didn't use Wedi but another foam board product that is very similar. I didn't think redguard was necessary but now thinking maybe I should over the foam boards? Thoughts
@@shawnphillips1220 you do not redguard over Wedi. It’s completely waterproof on its own.
@@Dinomitsios correct, all foam board is 100 waterproof so no need at all, but I kept hearing Jeff say to use redguard over foam so I started to second guess myself, lol
@@shawnphillips1220 if it’s installed correctly is the catch. Wedi has great installation training on RUclips. Watch the training video and you should be good to go.
I just rebuilt my shower with RRS pan, Flow FX drain and foam boards. I loved that they custom make the pan to your exact dimension. Pan and wall boards were coated at the factory. Then their caulk to seal everything. Then I applied tape over the seams. Lastly I added two coats of hydroban. This shower will never leak..
Hey, Jeff. One of the other things to remember, when dealing with a shelf that will hold shampoo, and the like, is that ANY detergent will remove water surface tension. (Funnily enough, I learned this when I was a Main Battle Tank Commander. We could never figure out why our radio auto tuners were constantly failing. It was because we used to store our bar of soap in the guard that protects the tuner body. The water would easily, and instantly, migrate past the seals and into the electronics, when things got wet.) So. When doing an inbuilt shelf, there should be absolutely no way for water to enter, as it will have a greater ability to enter any minor imperfection due to it's lack of surface tension. Random, but true. Look it up. Love your videos, Mate. Always watch what you're doing, even if it's not a project I need help with.
Cheers, great insight. Thanks!
For weeks I've been wondering what the Schluter system is. I've never heard of Schluterboard before. Today I found out the company is from Germany and is half an hour's drive away from me. Schlüter system, the (ü) makes the difference.😆
The world is small.
Thanks for the video, I learned a lot again. Greetings from Germany, home of the Schlüter System.😉
Cheers to Germany!
The tiles are just cosmetic at this point. Really appreciate your attention to detail
In truth the tiles protect the waterproofing membrane. Cheers!
2 x coats of Zinsser Bullseye 🎯 to prime and then 2 x coats of Zinsser Permawhite for wet room ceilings, bombproof!!
Just spray everything with flex seal, job done.
Tilecoach actually did that once
This guy waterproofs.
What if you have a tub and green board around it?
Your walls could be made of bug screen and you would be fine with flex seal@@1hiphopnow
@@gibiore what happened?
I only WISH I could hire someone with your integrity
no worries. just do it yourself. Cheers!
LOL what if she's in a wheelchair! @@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@DandyChigginz you can do plenty in a wheelchair! Think before you speak or comment!
Jeff you did such a perfect job with the cement board that I thought it was a finished marble shower at the beginning.
Cheers!
Great video. I just installed foam boards above my tub and around my shower, used kerdifix and the 2" strip for seams. I wasnt going to redguard but now you have convinced me to get it. You're right, theres absolutely no reason to spend this kind of money to remodel a bathroom and stop 1 step short of redguarding just for that extra layer of protection.
Honest question here. Shouldn't we be working from the bottom up, like when doing a roof? Water will flow down with gravity. If we start at the bottom and overlap every step of the way, overlap the higher over the lower, wouldn't that improve our waterproofing?
For painting, I bought the tools Jeff recommended and followed his techniques, Still not a fan of painting but the process was so much easier and the results were great.
I’m a professional tile contractor and watching you do this and some of the thang you do and say make me laugh 🤣 it should ok .e for effort when in doubt red guard it out
Great video! Doubling, and tripling up on prevention a great way to hedge against lack of experience. I'll be using these methods on my shower build. Thanks a lot!
Cheers!
Jeff, Matt, Erik & Christine it was great meeting you all. Thanks for sharing the campfire with us in Dallas! 🔥 please have Erik text Matt we didn’t get his text!
I used redgard on my ceiling as well, to protect from humidity, then painted over it. It's good stuff.
Perfect timing! Last week when I started remodeling my guest bathroom, our bedroom shower started to leaking into the basement. I really enjoy your videos and have used many of videos as sources for home projects.
I put a wall mounted oscillating fan that faces the shower opening and we run it after we shower. Works great.
Thank you for showing the best way I have seen so far and the ways it can fail. Now I’m ready to get started. I agree 100%.
Glad it was helpful!
Overkill !! I love it...I'm a master of overkilling stuff because Murphy always finds me..great job Jeff
Cheers!
This is the most thorough waterproofing video I've ever seen. Even the "real" tile guys' videos don't come close to how informative this one is.
By the way, I'd like to point out how silly it is how one particular channel constantly posts videos with the title "we installed this shower a year ago and it failed!" Like, why should anyone listen to you, given the sheer number of failed installations you're being called back for? 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it! trusting in a product claim can be disasterous. especially as a pro. I think the issue with schluter is they are not designed for heavy use unless you have a heated floor installed to keep it dry! Cheers!
Love your videos. It occurred to me, after you painted the ceiling and began to apply the pink membrane on the walls that it might've been useful to have the membrane on the ceiling as well. Is there a reason that can't be done?
Thank you for posting all the great videos. You've taught me a lot.
I recall my first time painting with red guard.. I didn't think of it much at the time but Jeff isn't kidding about fresh ventilation and a respirator. After 15 minutes I was starting to feel very weird. Had to take a break and mask up with 3M carbon filters.. Stuff is no joke.
Great videos. I just did a bathroom, however we have different products in Australia. Gripset make an excellent video on waterproofing membranes. Class 3. Some of the products are Class one or two, and could break down in a permanent wet environment. Correct thickness is important. The walls need to be primed prior to application (which looks like water with a bit of pva wood glue, but I do not know what is in it. Also, any smooth surfaces, (ie, plastic niche or metal trims), are primed with a different primer, otherwise the membrane will not adhere to it. I also filled the holes with a non silicone compound. Gripset make the corners out of a cloth with a what appears to be rubber imbedded in it. They also make them for the pipe inlets and outlets, and in long strips for corners and joint seams.
Best video from America that I have seen though on how to seal a bathroom. Lots of useful advice on how to do the full processes from start to finish, and very helpful with the many problems you will encounter.
sounds alot like the european mapei-line same principle wierd primer 3 coats in mixed direction and even good for stationairy (people are lining their pools with the stuff)
Very thorough as usual, Jeff. Great job water sealing your new shower. 🇨🇦💝👍
Did my basement insulation thanks to you a few months ago (rigid foam + new frame and fiber glass). And now that I need to redo my bathroom, I can definitely learn more from this video. I can't thank you enough fellow Canadian! Happy new year tho ✌
I agree, Jeff! I’d choose spending $2k instead of $1750 and have the peace of mind to sleep at night and do everything over the top
This would be a great time for YT to put in an ad for Pepto Bismo
Thank you for making a point of saying the backboard mesh tape is different. Concrete/thinset washwater is the same PH as chlorine bleach and dissolves the adhesive on the drywall mesh tape
In the UK we use CT1 (basically a waterproof pond sealer) to protect out inside corners and joins, it’s so good, I’ve never had a leak ever!
Your knowledge and skills are phenomenal. Thank you for sharing with us!
My pleasure! Happy to share my experience. Cheers!
I couldn’t agree more. I live in an apartment but enjoy just watching/learning,and hopefully one day getting to put this knowledge to experience it myself
Great work, extra steps for waterproofing is always worth it. If there's a will there's a way with water. Redguard off gas is potent, like ammonia burning my eyes and lungs, must wear a respirator. I started using hydroban from laticrete, way less fumes. IMO the dried product is also easier to see layout lines, marks etc. excellent video
very true Mike. I try to stick to products at the box store since most homeowners shop there against my advice. Cheers!
They sell a kit for those common nutone/broan fans with a new motor that drops right in and a modern looking replacement cover. Good cheap update.
Hi Jeff. Awesome job. Can't wait for the finished results. Pebble flooring is going to look gorgeous. Great choice. 👌. Thank you for sharing. Great content. Cheers! 👍. Take care.
Thanks 👍Cheers Peter!
I'd recommend either watering down the redgard or wetting the suface with a sponge for the first coat, helps the redgard to stick better, especially to concrete boards.
Quick question on the Seam tape. If you are building a Full on steam shower with a Waterfall shower add on. Should you then. Use the seam tape 40 bucks for 16ft. (😭💭🤣). All the way up the walls? If you tiling the entire area including the ceiling?
(Watching your Channel for inspiration and COURAGE so THANK YOU. 😁👍🏼
Wondering:
*aside from the vanity appeal* which is better for less maintenance🤔 a reg drain or the linear drains.
Hi Jeff, Have you heard of tile backer board? It's totally impervious to water use it all the time in the UK 🇬🇧 tiling on plywood is pretty much outlawed here now as it twists and pops the tiles drywall as well is a no no ..check it out Wedi board is well known brand and if used with the correct fixings and sealant will make the shower area completely waterproof so the tiles are just to make it look nice 😊
I'm enjoying your videos from Canada and will check out becoming a member.
The best I think is when you know when to compromise. Kinda like not trying to put a 12' high ceiling into a 10' tall house. Good workmanship and care in addressing the details but also knowing where to draw the line. Contractors could learn a thing or two with such sensibility.
I also appreciate when you make mistakes and you keep it in the video. Very humble of you and honest, helps from making those mistakes too, or when you do, how to fix them!!
In case I missed it, what are those inside shower dimensions 30 x 60?
😮I used wedi board and wedi sealant
It is much easier to work with and is lighter than cement board. No leaks. Great product for waterproofing especially for DIY.
and also the most expensive option. great for a diyer but i would never allow a contractor to use that stuff because integrity of the installer is the only defense. if they cut even 1corner it all fails.
Out of curiosity, would you not want to start with the ground sheet and then work your way up the walls with the corners etc? So it has correct overlapping - like with a roof or any other waterproofing?
Man you hit it on the button.
I was just talking about this today membrane thin set underneath and then another membrane doesn't make sense yet no one could give me an answer even the company that makes the product.
Changing out the cover for exhaust fan is good. I would also consider just swapping out the motor as well. It is a cheap part and easy swap. less than 20 for brand new motor/fan to be screwed in. It is the same generic builders grade motor which is used everywhere.
Waterproofing is never overkill.
I hate when contractors cut corners here.
You don't wanna deal with a shower pan leak; I've seen enough horror cases
This is definitely the place to spend some extra cash for security. Cheers!
Exactly. I plan on installing a standard pan with a back panel and everything, you know the standard corner shower setup, no tile, yet I still plan on waterproofing behind/under it just in case water somehow manages to get in behind it because it will, that's the whole reason I have to replace the existing shower because a silicon join failed and rotted part of the floor.
I would never put a custom tile shower base in a wooden structure. You guys trust it so much that you go ahead and water proof a water proofing product. Just be smart and use one piece fiberglass shower pan. Do your tile fantasy on the walls and ceiling.
@@Faruk651 with those you still usually have a seem between the tile and the pan (unless it is one of those full units that has the walls and shower screen all as one unit).
the type I am installing has a base and a separate corner wall panel, so there is a seem where they meet. the previous shower was of the same design and water ended up getting in between the wall and the base (the house had been a rental for years so maintenance was not kept of with on the silicon). to stop that ever happening again, I plan on waterproofing behind the shower wall and the whole bathroom floor, that way if we ever have a failed join or someone lets the bathtub overflow or something, I don't really have to worry as much about water getting under something and soaking into the subfloor.
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Great job ! Cant have too much waterproofing - there's enough shower failure vids on RUclips! Redgard specifies the thickness you should build to - usually takes at least 2 or 3 coats. If you have a thin membrane you can save some $ on the niche corners by cutting and overlapping your own corners (just watch the buildup) . Don't know if I'd ever want to mess with the goopy stuff in the corners instead of thinset.
I've made 2 full bathrooms using a marble showerpan with already integrated drainage, did the walls and corners only with a goopy rubber stuff (3 coats) Tiled the whole thing and filled it with epoxy -> haven't noticed any issues with water and 1 of the 2 was done straight on a simple drywall...
I've even used this stuff in our basment to line the sides od where the floodpump-hole is -> stationairy water doesn't even find a way trough and its been a decade..
These product smell like S but dangit they are something else
Without doubt, some of the most hackyish work I've ever seen in a shower...
99.99999 off injury comes with no guard on the grinder and grinding with a cutting wheel is not ideal but really learn on waterproofing a shower,great stuff
I love your videos Jeff. Thank you for helping so many people. I just want to say please, please, please, don't use that grinder so close to your stomach - it's just millimeters from cutting you. I know you're a seasoned pro and all that, but please be a little more conscious of how close it is to you! God bless!!
I watched both videos on this. It turned out great. I noticed that you put the waterproof membrane right over the drain with adhesive. I wasn’t sure how the water was supposed to get to the drain? Maybe I missed that. Any help would be good.
All that and two coats of Semco liquid membrane. Even coated walls and concrete floor before in stall of flush floor Schluter shower pan and walls. 😊
Amazing video! I used (as recommended) Loctite PL MAX with a Kerdi inside corner membrane and the Loctite was still moist under the Kerdi after 24 hours. I was still able to squeeze a little out with a plastic trawl. When will the Loctite dry so I can tile over it?
As good as this is,it requires a lot of steps that need proper execution. Since I will have to use unskilled help or contract it out, I am considering a walk in tub conversion using a one piece cast iron base. A shower seat. A Pr-fabricated surround with a glass wall on the long tub side, A recessed niche would be great but probably not in the scope. This would be nowhere as nice as a site built tile shower like you are building but affordable. I would love to do what you show but a stroke that has impaired the use of my dominant arm. I have yet to see any thing similar to what I am considering any where. This video is the best that I have seen yet. You always make the proper sequence clear and obtainable.
Hi Marty! keeping it simple makes it easier to get a successful reno. my advice is have the contractor use floor leveler before install. then all the components you want to use will install easily. Cheers!
Between you and the TileCoach I think I'm ready to tackle my shower and save 10K. You both should team up for a few videos
According to the Redgard manufacturer, it is a “crack prevention” product capable of covering up to a 1/8” crack. No Thinset and membrane needed at seams!
As soon as redgard became available in my area. 10 ish years ago. Ive always final sealed with it. Heck i did my whole subfloor on my house with it.
What are your thoughts on epoxy grout? I had a pinhole leak I couldn't find, so I ended up taking off all the tile (with traditional grout) and resealing from scratch, and went with epoxy grout for that extra layer of protection. Iwas absolutely thrilled with the look (it's granite dust, so it will never discolor or fade) and the installation was so much better than standard grout.
great product if you are comfortable working with it. Cheers!
@Cerceify The difficulty is in the cleaning. Standard grout is pretty easy to see and remove the haze, epoxy is a bit more clear, and when it dries, a lot more permanent. Get 3x the number of sponges you think you'll need (just get dollar store ones for the first wipes), and don't be afraid to switch to a new one. Also I ended up with a chemical burn from my forearms being in the rinse-water for too long/too many times, so get proper chemical gloves.
but if all that sounds scary, it's a small price to pay when considering that you'll probably need color-restoration and/or crack repair as the house settles (epoxy is semi-flexible, so that prevents the issue) - or an outright removal and reapplication of standard grout if it's not fixable. Epoxy grout will outlast the rest of the renovation, so it really is one of those great investments. You just need to understand that powdered grout and epoxy grout are different products and not treat one as if it is the other.
Thank you for the explanation! What are your thoughts on GoBoard instead of the cement board and sealing it the GoBoard sealant? Then going over it all with the RedGuard like you suggested. I am going to use a Schluter shower pan kit if that makes any difference. It also comes with a roll of Kerdi waterproofing membrane so I could put that up after the GoBoard and before the RedGuard. Is this overboard? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
If that puppy leaks. My first guess would be malice. Only way is if someone drilled a hole through the floor! That was a great watch. Thanks again.
Not sure if you covered this in this video or another, but you must perform a flood test (per UPC and I assume IPC) on your shower pan before tiling - this in my opinion is a critical step
It was a little bit surprising for me that after all the careful waterproofing using serveral layers and methods, with so much attention to every small detail, you left a huge open hole around the fixture. And it is right below the shower - there will be a lot of water flowing on the tile around the fixture. We always (I'm from a European country) put a special sleeve (ring) around all fixtures and pipes that go out of the tiles and the rings are incorporated into the waterproof system.
To my understanding red guard isn’t permanently water proof and can actually break down if submerged or in contact with water for too long. I do agree that redundancy is a great strategy. I’m installing a bathroom right now and even though I got great corners using the schluter system I’m still applying Ardex 8+9 acrylic/cementuous 2 part water proofing layer. It’s about twice as much as red guard, but seems like it should perform even better.
The tile coach videos I've seen showed red guard failing almost every single time, specifically when applied on top of mortar/thinset. Not a product I'd trust, to be honest.
All bullshit. I’m a contractor and I’ve built numerous showers and I’ve used Redgard 95% of the time and I’ve never had a problem and I still often go to the same houses to do other work!
I’m all for this approach.
Redguard requires a two layer application for waterproofing. I used it for crack prevention for a tile install and only one layer is recommended for that. Each jug does 100sqft so plan how much you need for your application.
that's what I did for my shower niche,I built a slight slope in the framing.
Love it. Redguard is the bees knees
instead of using a brand new garbage bag for a tray liner just use the grocery shopping bags. I put one on each end and they work great.
I just absolutely love this guy ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Every time I go to home depot and buy something or Rona or home hardware.I always say see you in an hour Because I will inevitably Be back.
That day sometime😊
The content that I’ve been waiting whole week..
Cheers!
Redgard is where it's at. Bob Doyle from Star Tile did an experiment where he waterproofed a cardboard box with that stuff and it was like a basin. Completely sealed every seam.
except when you have to red guard a water system your trying to promote, it just shows you don’t trust that system.
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Fact is that the liquid topical membrane, when used correctly, in other words, if you use enough of it, will bulletproof any properly framed shower. You can lather two coats of it on to regular drywall and forget all the expensive name brand stuff. Look at the Schlutter linear drains for example. I've seen at least three separate tile guys reporting failures. That's why I like Bob Doyle. He does it old-school. Mortar bed, pvc membrane, and redguard. Zero failures
Lmao sorry Jeff im going to use it everywhere.. extra $40 going to another roll. Thank you again for all the information and patience in making these videos.
For LOCTITE approach on seam tape - Does it matter which LOCTITE adhesive you select for adhering the seam tape or is it more to just adhere the tape to the cement board and giving shape for the Redguard as the waterproof membrane...
what is the foam called? I didn't see a link to buy these. this would help me a lot on angling the floor of the shower towards the drain. I honestly had no idea before this video on how to do that. This is my favorite channel for any go to home projects. I've learned so much.
Can’t believe you used a pair of “sissy” cutters aka scissors! Just messing your the man all your videos and have taught me so much, thank you for your skills and knowledge
truth is those membranes are all very difficult to cut even with the sharpest knife. Cheers!
Home Depot and Wooster roller trays are smooth, Allow the tray to dry. Reuse. After two or more uses, just peel the paint out, and you'll have a brand new tray.
Cheers to Jeff and DYI family members ❤
Cheers right back atcha!
Howdy, I really appreciate your experience & wisdom. Can you do a video explaining, how homeowners can protect their wood. I have a covered wrap around porch. The original Florida construction was about 12 years ago. It is painted, floor is concrete, however about 3yrs ago when I was pressure washing. Some paint spots lifted on the wood bannister & handrail . I would like to pressure wash again, but I'm concerned about damaging it. My question is how do I reseal to protect, do I have to strip all the existing paint off 1st? How often should a reseal be done? BTW some of the paint is flaky
What happened to your camera person? These videos are now very shaky and out of focus. Can you buy them a tripod?
I have a lot of questions about this however the main one is when you said water does not splatter if your kids take a shower or you do and your in a hurry it'll splatter up it'll splatter around you but what do you use when the $40 tape isn't for high places or what do you use in the places you don't use that?
I might not have put that silicone bead in the pan corner at the same time and onto as wet thinset, I’d have put the silicone bead in those corners at the same time as all the other joins and corners, silicone them all first before any waterproof system goes on with thinset. Imo this is the right order to do this.
Looks good but I would not be putting redgard over thinset with obvious moisture still in it. The redgard won't stick/cure and will definitely turn to mush over time. I love regard too but it can fail and when it does it changes its color back to the peptobismal color is was originally.
I apologize for the handholding request, but do you not take the same all set and cover every screw hole before applying red guard? And also it appears you apply the alkaline resistant mesh over your cement board seams after applying the rolls of waterproof membrane?
Jeff , What is your thoughts on putting handicap bars in a bath tub with out tearing out the tile? Any help will be great, thank you and keep the videos come.
Thanks a lot for your videos, I have learned a lot. Despite loving your content, I must say, you should not use Kerdi Fix with your (Kerdi) membrane for water proofing. Isac from Tile Coach demonstrated that if you do that, you will have a leak. I suggest people to watch that video.
On top of the pink paint, can you now put morter + tiles?. Or a specific adhesive because it will get wet?
Use it at all the joints. It all gets moisture. Like you said, minimal cost for insurance now. Instead of tearing it out down the road.
I like the self-adhesive alkalai resistant mesh tape. But then, I wasn't tiling- I was doing a glue-up surround and I covered everything with Aquadefense afterward. Worked fine and I also used Clark Deitrich PVC L-Bead trim with tear away strips. It covered the raw edges of the cementboard. It was around an old steel tub so I didn't have to worry about the whole shower floor thing. I used a roller to make it lay flat.
I made the mistake of using a thinset that set up waaay too fast. It was supposed to have 20 to 30min. It cured in less than 10 the first time. I had to add icewater to the mix the next time to make it cure slower so I got maybe 15min of working time. It did not go on smooth either. My first attempt so it could have been worse. At least I covered everything with plastic so the inevitable spills/drips/etc didn't get on the floor or tub.
My brother saw the Dude Wipes in the store and asked "How insecure does a guy have to be to get something called 'dude wipes' instead of normal wet wipes?" LOL. We get shea butter wipes (which are antifungal) and chamomile wipes (which are antifungal AND antibacterial). Probably not an issue up north, but in damp humid climates the antifungal really comes handy. I use generic version of Lysol wipes for cleaning stuff other than my own skin.
I've seen pebble floors and they look horribly uncomfortable. I imagine they would be a pain to clean as well. Too many little pockets to catch dirt.
I am forever losing the screws that come with things. LOL.
You're not the only one who has to make multiple trips. Hopefully you're not far from a hardware store. My local one closes at 5pm on weekdays, noon on Saturday, & is closed on Sundays. Nearest hardware store aside from that is an hour away.
I've actually managed to cut myself on that metal part on a paintbrush. No idea how, but I did it. I'm not very coordinated. LOL.
Anytime I painted with my dad, I would have to wear a hat bc he would splatter paint all over-- and I was much shorter so it would land on my head. LOL.
My friend's house has wooden windows. Mine has metal windows & they suck. The crappy exterior paint from the 80s may explain why everything we painted outside in the 80s had the paint deteriorate.
My roller won't even roll. It just stays still. Probably bc its super cheap. LOL.
That membrane stuff will peel off of skin- eventually. LOL. Not so bad if you peel it off & it doesn't hurt your skin. I had really crappy gloves that tore & kept getting stuck on things. I just lived with having greenish blue stuff (since I used Aquadefense instead of Redguard-- as the latter wasn't available here) on my hands.
If you use any tape to tape stuff off to avoid getting the redguard on stuff, its best to tear the tape away while the redguard is still wet or else it starts to peel it off & the tape won't come away cleanly. Aquadefense also takes 2 coats. Man, wet Redguard looks like Pepto Bismol. LOL. If Redguard is anything like Aquadefense, you'll want to make sure any drips are cleaned up immediately bc if they form drips that stuff is hard and you can't mash it down. It's not easy to peel off a drip either.
always learn from Jeff's bathroom videos🤩🤩🤩
what is next for shower pan? tiling ?
when to install drain and the pre-slope ? I am a new , confused in here .
Waterproofing is like the foundation of the house, do not cut corners 😂👍 save yourself. They need to clone this guy😂
Hi Jeff, great demo, thank you! I can't seem to find this style drain anywhere- with a concealed lip/clamping system. What is the name and model please?
Thank you for the great ideas and advice in how to best use building materials for your home
Happy to help! Cheers!