How to waterproof your shower installation with the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT Complete Kit
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- Here's a complete installation from start to finish of the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT. The Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT contains all the components needed to create a waterproof and vapor-tight shower assembly. So what's in the KIT?
A roll of KERDI waterproofing membrane is included, which is used to protect walls from moisture penetration. You will also find KERDI-BAND waterproofing strips, to seal all seams and connections. KERDI-KERECK performed inside and outside corners are supplied to easily seal vulnerable areas of your shower. A KERDI-SEAL-PS pipe seal and a KERDI-SEAL-MV mixing valve seal are included. These are used to seal pipe protrusions and protect moisture-sensitive solid backing panels. All kits contain a KERDI-SHOWER-T, TS, or TT sloped shower tray with integrated KERDI waterproofing. The trays are available in a variety of sizes and configurations. You also get a KERDI-BOARD-SC shower curb which is waterproof, lightweight, and ready to tile. And finally, a KERDI-DRAIN floor drain with an integrated bonding flange that connects to the KERDI waterproofing membrane on the tray. KERDI-DRAIN accepts the included fully adjustable square grate assembly. KERDI-SHOWER-KITS are available in a variety of shapes and configurations. Some kits do not include the drain or grate to allow for more flexibility in flange and grate selection. Check out the video to watch the COMPLETE installation from START to FINISH of all of these components. Always refer to the Schluter®-Shower Installation Handbook, which provides specific installation requirements and instructions.
Check out our website to download the Schluter®-Shower System Installation Handbook: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/...
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How to Install Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD-SN Shower Niche within KERDI Assembly: • Video
No Access Plumbing Demonstration with KERDI-DRAIN & KERDI-SHOWER Trays: • Video
How to Perform a Water Test: • Video
Schluter®-DITRA Connection to Shower Base: • Schluter®-DITRA Connec...
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Give this man a stepladder
Greater than I expected small, compacted, easy to use
Just got my kit for a 42" x 70" custom shower. Cut the pan to size in minutes! Was not looking forward to mud, vinyl and mud again. Great pan so far.
Glad to hear!
@@schlutersystems1 can a kit be ordered for a 42x60 shower? all i see is 48x48 shower bases?
We installed a 60” shower last spring. The large edge boards had to be cut down to allow the elderly resident to easily step into the shower. We adjusted the shower curtain rod down to ensure the curtain stayed inside the edge. Everything else went as per instructions.
@@normferguson2769 We are planning to replace our bathtub with a shower in the next year or so. Want something that will work into old age. I thought that board looked a little high. Especially of someone is using a walker to get in and out. Glad to know you can cut it down if we go with this.
@@dawnelder9046 if you get the right professional, they should be able (assuming it’s a main-level plywood subfloor) to cut into the floor joists slightly for the proper slope, and do a walk in shower with no curb. So, Just Vet Your Contractor!! That’s more important then the quality of product you use!! A professional can make the cheapest product work. A bad contractor doesn’t care you spent $80 on every tile, and will waste, cut corners, and leave you with a bad product and $10,000 poorer.
awesome job that shower is bomb proof
Great job
Great clip!
I used customs megalite thinset on my shower. I am having great success.
overpriced thinset
@@frannysforest any unmodified thinset is approved.
love how you guys changed the ü into a u so that the guys from overseas don't get confused xD
Very nice video thx
Wonderful ❤😊
this is brilliant product for DIYers - can't wait to use this on my first bath remo
let us know how it goes!
I'm all framed in, I have everything but the mud and tile. Need a plumber now. I'm doing PEX. I need to get this done. I have to tear the 2nd bathroom apart now.
As a Schlüter-trained installer, I have to say that they have truly worked out a bunch of issues for you. If you have ANY questions they are very happy to help you over the phone. Count me as SOLD on this stuff.
Thanks for your support!
@@joelcortes3390different types different purpose
Unmodified is your traditional mortar made mostly of Portland cement. Modified will have latex additives. They dry and cure differently. This product is water proof so modified mortars won't be able to dry out properly. Works great with Unmodified mortar though.
I use all these products on a daily basis. I love everything about it and I sell and install a ton of it.
Thanks Christopher, we appreciate your support! 🙂
Floating a mud pan is the way to go for a nicer end & Custom Homes.
Yet for the track homes and banging them out faster, I guess the Schluter pan system is a step up from a cheesy fiberglass shower pan...
@@ourd0gseven all my jobs are ‘’perfectly’’ square, plumb and level, and i never have issues to deal with, so this system is the way to go…..
But here in reality…. There has never been a job that i could use this system, i cant even begin to say what a nightmare this system would cause….
Signed ; a 40 yr tile and stone vet. 👎🏽. Not to MENTION the added cost in an already brutal Southern California market, i lose jobs ALL THE TIME to underbidders i hate so cal ..
@@mandatethis8024 Yet a true tradesman floats his pans for strength, durability & quality.
None of that Lego-Land pan crap in my customer's homes... ( X_x)
I have installed my walls (Kerdi board) but haven’t taped yet. I now think I’d feel better if I trim the wall bottoms to accept the pan after thin set, cut the pan to fit stud to stud, remove the pan and tape the walls, install the pan, Kerdi fix where the walls meet the pan and curbs, tape the pan and curbs (my kit uses membrane on the pan and curbs). Would you talk me out of this? If yes,
why?
Hey Gbear, could you give our Product Support team a call to discuss? They'd be best suited to advise! 888-472-4588 Thanks!
I have one of these and it is made out of foam..when it is laid down how does the foam not break to a persons weight ...and the foam curb looks like if some put any type of weight on it would break it I can only imaging a kid stepping on the curb
Question regarding the 'fairly fluid' thinset used along the Kerdi-band. Do we follow the same instruction as for the tile or we add a small additionnel portion of water at the beginning of the mixing?
Hi André!
The thin-set used to install the tiles will be a little thicker than the thin-set used to install the KERDI-BAND. The different mixing ratios for installing Schluter® membranes vs. tiles can be found on the back of our thin-set bags or in our thin-set data sheets which we’ve attached here as a reference:
sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/h5e/ha8/8949341814814/ALL-SET%20Thin-set%20Data%20Sheet.pdf
Hope this helps!
@@schlutersystems1 it says using the schluter thinset... Would a different modified thinset from mapei or laticrete be sufficient?
@@michaelcolascione2423 no you gotta use an unmodified thin-set
The Schluter shower kit has made my first bathroom renovation incredibly easy - especially with videos like this. One step I’m unsure of is how to securely install a fixed glass shower screen on the curb since anchoring with screws will not work. Can Kerdi fix be applied to the screen mounting bracket on top of the tile or should I apply to the bare curb and then tile around? Is Kerdi fix supposed to be used in this way? Any help is much appreciated!
Hi Henry! So happy to hear that your shower installation has been a success! For this question, could you please contact our Customer Service team as there may be some variables to discuss:
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Thanks!
So, is it fair to say that installing the bottom corner strip onto the wall and tray, and then flash over the strip with the wall membrane a "belt and suspenders" method? Why not make it the standard installation sequence? Or just extend the wall membrane minimum 2" (6" for belt/suspenders) onto the tray...?
why is the long corners schluter put on prior to the wall? Will not the water go behind the tile seeping behind the bottom corner put on last. I have done this several times with this system and I still always put down in this order. Floor, corners and then the walls so there is no "natural drainage" down behind something. Or is there still a chance of capillary action ? I would like some feedback on this
Hi Nick! When KERDI is installed with a 2" overlap, water will not be able to penetrate and cause any issues, regardless of the order in which the KERDI and KERDI-BAND are applied, whether "shingled" or not. Hope this helps!
Just curious what size kit was used for the video? Was it the 48x48 sized pan?
Hi ModusVis, You are correct it was a 48x48 tray. :) For more information about our shower-kit you can check out our website: www.schluter.ca/schluter-ca/en_CA/Shower-System/Shower-%26-Tub-Kits/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT-FLG/p/KERDI_SHOWER-KIT-FLG
Shouter works as well as any other backer board, only it is extremely costly. One of the reasons for the high cost is their “multiple level distribution system”. By the time the end user buys the product it has been transferred to multiply layers of distribution ..... eCh taking a cut.
What else do you recommend?
@@lowspeed2000 Either cement board or fibre board. Minimally a quarter of the cost.
@@billblendick9780this is for homeowner Diy that can’t build a shower pan and surround the traditional way, I’m all about new things, but one small mistake in thin setting down the sheet materials and the entire shower is compromised, not to mention lots of styrofoam? I’ll take a poured solid cement curb and pan any day and for 1/4 of the cost
Will this and board like it work underneath pvc or MDf shower board rather than tiles?
Thanks for the question! Our Shower System is really meant for tile and stone products. This particular kit comes with Kerdi membrane which is installed over an appropriate backer board. If ever you have more questions- please give our team a call. They can be reached at 888-472-4588.
Thanks!
I have installed my schluter shower kit with curb only to discover I was only provided 2 inside corner pieces. Can I use my remaining Kerdi band to secure these corners? any tips for this alternate procedure? Otherwise, all went well.
Hi Frank, the Kerdi corners are made of Kerdi-Band, so you can certainly form them to apply to corners. If you would like to talk to our Product Support team regarding the missing pieces or anything else product related, please give them a call! They would be happy to assist.
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Do you have to use the supplied curb? Just wondering if it's possible to have a curbless shower and completely waterproof the floor still using this kit.
Hi there! We have trays designed for curbless applications and yes, the surrounding floor would need to be waterproofed too (Ditra for the win!). You can have a look at our Curbless Shower section on our website here: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/curbless-showers
We also have a video on creating a curbless shower! ruclips.net/video/OexDcwZKvkc/видео.html
Hope this helps!
Can I install without pan and use the wall membrane instead for the bottom of the shower and then use grout to slope to the drain?
Hi there! Apologies for the delay...
The options for sloping a tiled shower floor to the drain are a KERDI-SHOWER-TRAY or a Portland cement mortar bed. The sloped mortar bed would need to be installed prior to the KERDI membrane so it wall be waterproofed on top and the water would slope to the drain and not saturate the mortar bed. The KERDI on top of the mortar bed would also continue up the walls in accordance with our Shower Systems Installation Handbook to create a completely waterproofed and properly sloped installation from the shower head to the drain. Neither grout or thin-set would be appropriate materials for creating a slope for the shower floor.
Here's a link the handbook: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hd1/h93/9007208038430/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
I have a odd shaped wLk in shower, one valley is at a 45 degree angle. For the part of the shower are that has the angle wall, could I use a shower pan, say 48 x 48, trim to size to fit, and cut off one corner of the pan to fit the angled wall? Then for the flood where I walk into the shower, could I Juilliard the floor height up to the shower pan height by using plywood Then cement boars, and cover the cement board with Kerdi and seal the Kerri to the shower pan? Do that instead of building floor up with mortar?
I have a custom shower floor size, larger than the sizes that you sell is there add on pieces for larger shower floor sizes?
You can always extend our shower trays with drypack mortar. We recommend giving our Product Support team a call though, they can talk you through some options or put you in contact with your rep!
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Hi, I have a schluter shower TT pan that I want to install. Can I use modified thinset to affix it to the plywood substrate? And if so do I then use unmodified thinset for laying tiles and laying the kerdi band? Part of my questions directly relates to the point when you embed the drain. I was made to understand that everything above the pan must use unmodified thinset. If so, how do i deal with the excess modified thinset that pushes out when I'm embedding the drain? Does this adversely impact my installation? I would really appreciate if someone could get me in the right direction. Side note I'll be using either customs or a Mapie brand thinset.
Hi there! Schluter ALL-SET and FAST-SET modified thinset mortars are designed to use both under and over KERDI products. If using another brand, please use an unmodified thinset mortar. Here is our technical handbook for installation steps and some information on thinset mortars. sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/h3e/h33/9078316269598/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
If you would like to discuss more, please contact our customer support team--they'd be happy to help you out!
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I have a travertine shower with a failed shower pan. Rather than replacing all of the tile work in the entire shower, can I demo and replace the pan, remove two feet of the old travertine and shingle the new Kerdi a few inches above and behind the old shower wall base? Would this create a wicking problem over time? This would allow me to keep most of the old tile work. Thank you!
Hi Woodie,
So sorry to hear about these shower woes..... Do you mind giving our Product Support team a call? They may put you in contact with your Schluter Rep for assistance. You can reach them on:
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Thanks!
I love this can I use it. On concrete .? My bathroom is all concrete
You can! Here is our Shower System Installation Handbook for reference: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/h14/hb0/8984385519646/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
I’ve installed everything and planning to do a water test tomorrow night but I just can’t understand one step and how it creates a waterproof barrier. When doing the shower pan I put in each of the corners. I’ve cut the Kerri band to put between but I don’t understand how it is waterproof without overlapping. Looks like there is a small gap between the corners and the band in your video. Is this correct? Aren’t those areas where water can travel? Do I need to overlap it or use the Kerdi caulk? There is thin set but that’s not waterproof.
Hi Brian, all of the connections should have a minimum 2" overlap of Kerdi or Kerdi-Band. If you would like to talk through this installation please give our team a call at US:800-472-4588 or CA: 800-667-8746 they would be more than happy to discuss the details with you.
Hi there! My wife would like me to frame a bench into the rough shower. Any problems with a 48x60 shower that uses a 48x48 shower pan and has a 48x12 bench on one side? I'd be using the 48x48 Kerdi shower pan and then just use the membrane to waterproof the bench section and up the walls.
Sure! This video gives you the steps for installing the bench with the tray and waterproofing the connections: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/video_shower-systems/video/Jn58yNMqvSU/playlist/PLEFjeySFJM-Bqg39YC-9A5d9iLu547R0j
I will have a custom roll in shower for my wheelchair bound son. How do I make the shower level with the floor without have a lip transition at the door or the shower on concrete slab? How do I get a shower pan that fits my custom sized shower, 4'x7'?
Hi there! There are quite a few variables and options here! Mind giving our customer support team a call? They would be happy to help guide you in your decisions.
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In the meantime, if you enter "ADA" into the search bar of our YT page, you can get a glimpse at curbles shower and transition profile options.
Hope this helps!
Will this membrane accept heavy tiles. i plan to use durock for my walls for that purpose. is durock an overkill since the video depicts the use of regular drywell. Thanks
Hi Carlos, yes, KERDI will hold heavy tiles. Regular drywall is all that is required beneath KERDI, however cement backer board and other solid backing materials (listed in our Shower Installation Handbook) are also acceptable.
Here's our Shower Installation Handbook for reference: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hd1/h93/9007208038430/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
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@Pat Capo durarock?banding? Do you mean drywall mud and tape? Did you prime and seal as well as do a coat of acrylic paint,or better yet mold resistant drywall,mesh tape,and coat with rubber paint before the kerdi system?
Edit: oh did you mean cement backer and mesh tape? I like to give that the same treatment as mold resistant drywall. I know you've probably finished your project by now,but ive made just about every mistake you can is all.
Do you use All-set or Set for the membrane? I have a bag of All-set leftover from my Ditra floor installation.
Hi Chris, either one is fine! Thanks.
If installing 2 curbs (90 degrees); how do you waterproof the “top” of the inside corner? They dont make a patch for that. Turn a corner inside out and cut the part that would now lay on the top? Also need to add a small strip of kerdi band to top of that?
You'll need an outside corner and some KERDI-BAND to waterproof that area. This video explains how to waterproof the whole 90 degree corner of the curb, inside and out, in detail: ruclips.net/video/IbPEFlN94nU/видео.html
Yep u can but it will be a little bulky on that corner than it will leak within a few years this system has a bunch of flaws and u just found one
Which thin set is best using Kerdi board and Schluter shower kit? I ordered un modified Schluter set. Will this applicable for installing the tile as well?
Hi Timothy, all 3 of our Schluter thin-set mortars will work for installing tile and preparing waterproofing on your project. Including the unmodified Schluter-SET that you have
Can someone advise me regarding the Schulter Kerddi Cub ? Does it have to slope inward to the shower base?
Hi Rocky, the KERDI-BOARD-SC curb is installed adjacent to the shower tray (that has an integrated slope). Here's a link to our installation handbook: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hd1/h93/9007208038430/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
Instead of using thinset for the fabric pieces in the shower pan could you use shower seal liquid liner like what is used on KBRS shower slope?
Hi Jay,
Our shower system is designed to be installed with thin-set mortar only. The Schluter-KERDI membrane is covered on both sides with a special fleece webbing to anchor the membrane in the thin-set mortar it is designed to work with. The use of thin-set is part of our Handbook requirements. You can check out our Handbook here: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/haf/h3c/9078303391774/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
I installed my shower, but missed the part where you discuss “memory” in the corner pieces - I could not get them smooth due to the shipping fold - blocking them to flatten them out created a couple of other dimples (oops). I guess I just cut those flaws out and put a Kerdi-band patch over the flaws?
Hi there! Yes, you can definitely cut out any imperfections in the KERDI and patch over the flaws provided at least 2 inches are achieved at these areas. Hope this helps!
Use of a hair dryer would've been beneficial to fix those folds.
@@surfingweb7176 I actually tried futzing about with it until I pulled it out - washed off and heated it with hot water, dried it off, tried again. Eventually blocked it (fail - mentioned above). Finally just cut a long piece of band and put a patch over the pieces flattened by slicing off lumps, taking care to 2” overlap. Result was nice but not so much mid-way. Yes the hair dryer (or heat gun) would have greatly improved. Now I know. Thx.
considering giving this a shot on our own. I've seen the system on a lot of home improvement shows. Question is, how does one install glass doors/panels into the foam curbs?
Hi there! You can use the DECO-SG to install the glass on top of the curb or you can use KERDI-FIX and anchors with other framing. Please contact Customer Service for anchor installation instructions. Hope this helps!
Yea ...opps
The kerdi is a joke, nothing will properly anchor in to styrofoam, beat to has monolithic solid cement slab pour with inter grated liner
Yeah, that concerns me..semms like it should have wood underneath or something.
In 20 years never anchored a door set into a shower curb or tub edge, that is ripe for leaks. you lay down a double bead of silicone for pre-fab units. Custom panels depends on the install type but are usually similar. Those yelling about hot mop and vinyl liners on here are just afraid of the inevitable. Currently using this system to replace a hot mop/mortor bed custom job that apparently leaked for 20+ years...had to replace 90% of the subfloor in the bathroom and a couple floor joists. This system is so much easier and lighter, never had a leak in all the times I've used it.
Water can leak at the transition piece going from the wall to the floor. It would be better to install the transition piece before the wall so it is overlapped from the top. Like doing shingles you want to do all u can to keep water on top. You would not install flashing on top of a shingle because it can leak even if sealant was applied. So why would you take the chance here. Have experienced leaks caused by doing this in this application already. On this video during water test that the thunder is already wicking the water. This is what causes water leaks later after tile install. Best solution I have found is to use a water proofing method over all joints prior to tile installation
I was thinking the same exact thing
Does this kit have a left or right drain for install or is just center?
We do have a shower tray with an offset drain location (38" x 60"). The drain location is on the shorter side of the tray. We have various shower kits available, this is the complete one: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Shower-System/Shower-%26-Tub-Kits/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI-SHOWER-KIT-FLG/p/KERDI_SHOWER-KIT-FLG
Hope this helps!
Wouldn't it be better to install the floor pan first, and then the wall sheets with a 2" overlap on the floors, so any water getting behind tile would drain down and out over the overlap, rather than relying on the band joint? Or better yet, install the floor flush to the studs/bottom plate, then drywall, then Schluter wall sheets? Then do the corners, but none of the wall to floor banding? Would this be allowable if I choose to do it that way?
Hi there ! There is no rules on what to install first as long as there is always a minimum overlap of 2'' of the Kerdi membrane. The Kerdi corners are a necessity thought as the band or overlapping won't waterproof the corners to 100%. Hope that helps
I have access to drain, in fact it sits above my subfloor and Kerdi shower pan. Do I cut that drainpipe two inches below the bottom or two inches below the top of the subfloor? Does the Kerdi PVC drain assembly then get glued to my drain pipe or does it just fit into place? Thanks.
Hi Frank! Mind giving our Product Support team a call? Sometimes these conversations are just easier to have over the phone. 😃
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I have foil faced subflooring with grooves to hold piping for radiant heat. Will thinset adhere to this?
Hmmm... good question! Mind giving our Product Support team a call? 800-472-4588
Thanks!
Absolutely no. The foil face is reflective foil. A backerboard must be installed over this, then thinset and DITRA. Schluter tech will know this.
How many bags of thinset do I need if I'm installing a 36×60×96 shower. Also I'm trying my best to do everything right with no mistakes. Do you think I'm overdoing it by using a concrete board as well? I'm thinking of just screwing it to the baseboard for extra waterproofing. Please help. This is my first time doing this type of work
Hi Irene, it would be best to give our Product Support team a call to discuss your project in a bit more detail. We'll be able to ask you some important questions about your project, and lead you in the right direction. 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
Question: what does the manufacture suggest should be done if the water test was missed and tile has been installed? What does the manufacture request the inspector require at this point?
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i agree with you
Lol
Before you lay down the tray, do you need to seal the bottom of the keri board wall with kerdi fix?
You can seal all seams and joints after installing the tray. This excerpt is from our handbook:
Seal inside corners by abutting adjacent sheets and installing KERDI-BAND with Schluter SET®, ALL-SET®, FAST-SET®, or unmodified thin-set
mortar, centered over the joint. Install KERDIKERECK prefabricated waterproofing corners at all inside and outside corners. When using the
KERDI-BOARD-SC curb, seal the curb to the base and walls using KERDI-KERECK and KERDI-BAND
Would it not make more sense to install the wall membranes last?
Was going to post the same thing. Makes way more sense to me to have the wall overlap the floor pan to further ensure water doesn't get back behind the pan.
@@The_RUclips_Critic I was thinking the same thing as well. Think about it like a shingled roof.
That is what the band is for
You don’t want your wall materials to be exposed to water inundation, even cement board, that’s why we put the walls on after rhino liner and dry pack , that way the water seeps thru the dry pack down to the liner and does not inundate the wall boards
With the kerdi band and inside corners installed as directed it makes no difference
How do i get my hands on one of the installation guides?
Hi there! Everything is available here: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/downloadfiles
In the meantime, here is the Shower System Installation Handbook:
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Can I install the shower tray directly on concrete the same way as shown in the video, with thinset?
Hi Ceeloc, yes, you can install the tray over concrete with Schluter-SET, Schluter-ALL-SET, Schluter-FAST-SET, or unmodified thin-set mortar.
The curb looks like it flexes and would cause cracking issues if stepped on
I would like to see more screws holding the drywall to the suds. I don't get why someone would use drywall in the first place though. The gypsum will crumble if it gets wet.
Because if the a schluter is installed properly, the drywall won’t get wet. I’d like to think this drywall is glued on this application but who knows
Not to worry; drywall can be used because KERDI is a waterproofing membrane and will therefore not allow any water to penetrate and damage the drywall.
We generally install drywall screws every 12" o.c., which is standard.
Schluter-Systems North America as a plumber things can and will go wrong. I've seen it. This is not a perfect world and I am not necessarily asserting that the Kerdi will fail. Other issues from behind the wall can cause water damage too. I am just saying it is an unwise practice if trying to save money. Plus depending on tile selection there will be a lot of weight hanging from those screws. Ordinary drywall screws are not known for their shear strength.
@@schlutersystems1 I will say this is an amazing product but it is scary what is being recommended to non-professionals who are probably doing this for their first time and don't know better. Some old time inspectors I know would not approve this despite your claims, and I don't blame them either.
@@AmosMosesJr We had this done in our walk in shower 11 years ago. Huge shower tiled to the ceiling. The shower had standard drywall screwed to the studs. No glue. We had zero issues. If the product is properly installed, you will not have an issue. If you are using cement board in case you have water leaking through your waterproofing, you have much bigger issues, like mold in the wall cavity.
I am creating a custom enclosure for my bearded dragon and considering using Kerdi. Is Kerdi shower kit and mortor safe for marine life?
Hi Pam, we don't have any specific information as to whether those products are safe for marine life. However, our Safety Data Sheets are all available on our website. You can find them on the product page under "Downloads". They may be helpful. Also, since all of our shower components will be encapsulated within the tile assembly, you may want to focus on the suitability of the tile and grout that you'll be using in your application, as they would be the exposed products. Hope this helps!
Would all the same steps apply for just the top of the wall and ceiling above a fiberglass tub surround?
Hey, You only need the first 6.5 minutes of this video. However, you may prefer to watch this video, which shows how to install the KERDI on the walls and how to connect it to a preform tub or shower: ruclips.net/video/q_Nijf3ZNXg/видео.html This video shows you how to install KERDI on the ceiling: ruclips.net/video/L2rpIpzITkQ/видео.html You can also find all of these instructions in the Shower Systems Installation Handbook: sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hc3/h30/9346682388510/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
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We already have our walls in place.. had to just take out the flooring because of mold.. would this set still work?
Hi there! It would be best to give our Customer Support a call directly to discuss. They will have a few questions for you about your specific project, but can certainly guide you from there! Hope this helps, and best of luck with your project!!
1-800-472-4588 (USA) or 1-800-667-8746 (CAN).
Is is possible to do this system over pine hardwood flooring in kitchen.
Hi Debra, could you reach out to our Product Support team directly to discuss this project in more detail, please? 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
Is it always necessary to water proof between the Ditra membrane and the Kerdi curb with Kerdi band?
Hi there!
KERDI-BAND is only necessary at the DITRA to curb connection when a waterproof floor adjacent to the shower is desired. Otherwise it's optional.
Hope this helps!
@@schlutersystems1 Super helpful! You guys are the best.
Where the drywall is beveled, you just level it under the membrane with extra thinset?
Any minor differences can be addressed when setting the tile. :)
@@schlutersystems1 Thank you for the info
You should have the installer put 2x4 behind the curb when first installed to help keep it in place with a couple screws
it will set in about 1 min no need to do that
Thought about doing this. Couldn't see it hurting but probably not needed
Love it where can I get it the kit
Hi there, Schluter products are available at our network of dealers. You can find one near you on our Dealer Locator, here: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/store-finder
I need the guy in this video to come do mine for me...
Shouldn't u use green or purple water resistant dry wall??
Hi there! Any dry wall listed in the Solid Backing Materials section of the Shower Installation Handbook detail, meeting the proper ASTM number, is fine. It does not have to be a particular color.
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Can you install without kerb to have a flat bathroom floor not step in
For sure! Here's a video on how to achieve a curbless shower: ruclips.net/video/OexDcwZKvkc/видео.html
I am using the sloped shower pan, but it needed to be trimmed back to fit where my existing drain was. What do you recommend using to slope down into the shower pan?
Hi Taylor, would you be able to give our Customer Service team a call to discuss your project in a bit more detail, and they can advise from there. 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
What is the difference between the but seem and the 2in over lap. I don’t understand why not just do the 2 in overlap like you did where the sheets meet.
Hi there, Either way is fine. It generally just depends on user preference. Some like to overlap the KERDI as the go, whereas others prefer to butt join the KERDI and then cover with the KERDI-BAND. One practical reason for using the KERDI-BAND in some instances is when a small mosaic is being installed over the seam. Since the KERDI-BAND is thinner than KERDI, the build-up at the seam would be slightly less. Hope this helps!
How to treat steam inlet in steam room ?Its getting very hot and can melt boards
Hi Ernst, all penetrations through the KERDI-DS membrane (e.g., steam inlet, lights, etc.) must be treated with KERDI-SEAL-PS seals, room temperature vulcanizing sealant, or other suitable sealant.
My corner shower has a back corner drain. Can I get shower base like that?
Hi There, can you give our Product Support team a call to discuss the specifics of your project? They'd have a few questions for you and would then be able to advise. 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
I can't help think of Schrutes Beet Farm.
Is the bonding flange on the drain installed without PVC glue?
Hi Steven, the flange outlet is connected to the drain pipe with either PVC or ABS glue, depending on which pipe material and corresponding drain you are using. The reason we don't show that in this video is because there is access below to connect the drain later. Here is different video which shows you the gluing process for a no access installation: ruclips.net/video/u-ZILYISeX8/видео.html
Hope this helps!
You’re saying a 2 inch overlap at all transitions except the Kerdi band can be flush against the inside corners correct??
Hi there! Close, but not quite. 🙂 We are saying that all waterproofing connections with KERDI, KERDI-BAND, KERECK corners, and/or valve seals need a 2" overlap, however, the corners are longer than 2", so the KERDI-BAND can be brought back a little in that area so the strips don't overlap each other. This will still allow for the required 2" overlap. Hope that clears it up!
Could u do the shower pan before putting membrane on walls ?
Hi! Yes you could install the shower tray first. As long as the 2'' overlap is achieved at every seams, with KERDI or KERDI-BAND, the order of wall and floor installation doesn't matter. Hope that helps!
What's the reasoning for installing drain first with no access...I've installed many with no access AFTER pan was installed...just curious of that thought process
Hi there! The main reason for this is if there are different contractors on a project and the plumber comes through first and installs the drain flange. Then the tile installer would come after to install the tray and the rest of the shower component. Plumbers don't usually work with thin set, they won't install the shower tray. Hope that helps!
System looks brilliant. My gripe is though the shower proofing is paper and your taking metal trowels to it to flatten/thin set tiles. Aren't you worried you'll scratch the membrane?
Hi Andrew, KERDI is a sheet-applied polyethylene waterproofing membrane designed for the application of tile. Decades of projects behind it, so no worries of a trowel damaging the membrane when installed correctly. Thanks!
So I just want a regukar fiberglass pan…but tile walls. Can I still use Kerdi?
You can use Kerdi on the walls for sure! We do have the Kerdi-Tubkit that includes everything but the shower tray and drain: www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Shower-System/Shower-%26-Tub-Kits/Schluter%C2%AE-KERDI-TUBKIT/p/KERDI_TUBKIT?facets=false
Can I ask why you would use corner and seems on the outside and not the inside?
Hi there. Since KERDI membrane is installed over the solid backing down to the subfloor and the provided shower tray is waterproof, the seams of the outside perimeter and corner seams of the shower tray must be sealed to create a fully waterproof and vapor tight enclosure. By installing the KERDI-BAND and KERDI-KERECK inside corners over the pre-sloped shower tray, these components prevent moisture disseminating below the top of the tray; therefore, installing the KERDI-BAND and KERDI-KERECK corners underneath the tray is not necessary as moisture will not travel to the substrate. Hope that helps!
What is the process in this situation where the end of the membrane meets the drywall going out of the shower? Looks like just a tile corner all the way down. Is there anything specific to do there?
Hi James! The profile leg can be installed just passed the KERDI membrane so the tile has an even transition and the KERDI is not seen under the profile from the outside.
What mud you use to get the proofing stuck to the wall
Hi there! To install KERDI, you can use Schluter SET®, Schluter ALL-SET®, Schluter FAST-SET® or an unmodified thin-set mortar.
Can I use modified thin set mortar for the schluter orange Waterproofer on Sheetrock?
And can I use modified thin set mortar on foam shower tray on concrete?
Hi there, to install KERDI on sheetrock, you would need to use an unmodified thin-set or Schluter ALL-SET or FAST-SET. Same for the trays. Thanks!
@@schlutersystems1 thanks was watching your video and they didn’t mention if it was modified or un modified
Can you paint over the membrane?
Hi Mark! We recommend installing tile or stone over Schluter®- KERDI. However, there are occasions where a small area of Schluter®- KERDI may need to be painted. A small area is defined to be the area between the end of the tile installation and the next closest stud and/or to the ceiling. Schluter®-KERDI is not designed to have larger surfaces painted. For best results, please follow the procedure below: · Skim the area with plaster. · Let the plaster dry completely. · Paint the area with a latex primer. · Paint the area with a latex paint. Note: Painting small areas (as defined above) of KERDI does not invalidate the KERDI product warranty.
Can I make a 4 1/2" valve seal work for a 5 1/2" valve?
Hi Kevin. The KERDI-SEAL-MV features an overmolded rubber gasket designed to seal protrusions and protect moisture-sensitive solid backing panels at the mixing valve. The overmolded rubber gasket is not flexible to fit over larger mixing values. We don't recommend modifying the valve seals as they will not work as designed. Please give our Customer Service team a call if you would like to discuss a particular project in more detail. 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
Can penny tiles be used on the shower pan or are they too small?
Hi there, yes, penny tiles can be used on our shower pans. It's the DITRA membrane that has the minimum 2x2" tile requirement. Happy tiling!
@@schlutersystems1 thanks for the reply. There seems to be a lot of confusion in thr regard going around. Everyone I talk to says you cant use penny tile so im glad you made that more clear foe me!
@@schlutersystems1 - There's no limits on tile size when you flash Ditra before installation. Any experienced installer knows this.
Can u instal the Kerdi membrane over Durrock Board or any off the Cement Board???Thank you
Hi Denis, yes, you can. There is a complete list of approved Solid Backing Materials on each detail page in the Schluter Shower System Installation Handbook. Hope this helps!
@@schlutersystems1 It did u guys are the Best.
Glad we could help! 🙂
The number of times the word “Kerdi” is said sounds like a brainwashing session.
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Can I use Kerdi or Ditra under the curb?
Hello there! It is best practice to install the curb directly onto the subfloor.
I saw in another KERDI video that he was screwing the KERDI board directly to the wall studs. This video shows covering wallboard with KIRDI membrane. What are the pros and cons to this? I would think if you are totally renovating a tub/or shower you would be down to the studs anyway.
Hi there! There are pros to each option; it is a personal choice. If you are directly on the studs, the KERDI-BOARD will save you a lot of time. If you already have gypsum boards on your wall and they are in good shape, then we would suggest keeping them up and using the KERDI membrane over them. If you would like to discuss your project in more detail, I would recommend giving a call to our product support team; they will be able to get into the specifics of your project with you. You can reach them at 888-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (CA).
Is the curb sloped as to drain water back into the shower pan?
Good question! The curb itself is not sloped. When you are setting tile on the curb, the tile must be sloped towards the shower drain using a little extra thin-set under the tile on the further edge from the drain. Hope this helps!
My question is is mortar waterproof, can the water go through the thinset?
Hi Melvin! Good question! The thin set mortar is not waterproof. If the water penetrates the grout and get's to the thin set it will reach the KERDI membrane and go no further. And then eventually, it just evaporates back out through the grout lines. No worries!
So this can go straight to Sheetrock or greenboard?
Hi Clayton! KERDI can be placed over any Gypsum wallboard meeting the ASTM C1396/C1396M standard. Please see the Shower System Installation Handbook for more solid backing options for installing KERDI membrane.
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Hope this helps!
What size for membrane trowel
Hi there! That would be a KERDI-TROWEL or a trowel with a 1/8" x 1/8" (3 mm x 3 mm) square notch
Would it not be better to start from bottom to top, so that overlapping will always downwards?
HI! It doesn't matter; it's really a preference. As long as you have a 2" overlap, that works for us. Hope that helps!
I'm no genius, however wouldn't it make sense to keedi band the tray to wall joint first, then wrap your walls with membrane overlapping the keedi band at the bottom.....since water sheds down ?
Hi AJ, it can be done either way. The 2" overlap of the KERDI to KERDI-BAND will not allow water to penetrate the seem regardless if it is "shingled" or not. Hope this helps!
Ever noticed that most high Quality products and Systems are made in Germany?
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Just a question. If modified thinset is a food source for mold, doesn’t that mean every shower that has ever been installed without modified thinset has a mold problem? That is basically what Schluter is saying but I find that hard to believe especially because I have never once in 25 years went back to a home because there is a mold problem. Overall, their shower system is pretty darn good. There are just way too many steps, seams every where, and their fabric is too thick and doesn’t crimp. I had a rep install a kit in our showroom and I had to tile it. I had to shave the back of the tile to get the cuts around the curb installed. Multiple layers of fabric = thicker bumps to tile over period.
Carlos Cortes mortar of any type isn’t a food source for mold...
But they tell you it is and that you should use unmodified thin set.
Carlos, wanna give us a call? We can fill you in on the details.
US: 800-472-4588
CA: 800-667-8746
Thanks!
Schluter-Systems North America would have been cooler if you’d just explained y’all’s opinion about the question here for us to read lol
so no overlap of kerdi band and kerdi corner in the shower pan corners? I see how this avoids buildup for small tiles but isnt this a waterproof gap?
Hi there! At the 8:20 mark we address Kerdi corners and banding. And yes, a 2-inch overlap is always required!
where can this be bought in the Philippines?
Hi Allen, for international inquiries, you can reach out to export@schlueter.de. Hope this helps!
what is the mortar that should be used as a glue?
Hi there! To install our shower products, you can use any of our Schluter thin-sets. Or you can use an unmodified thin-set to install the KERDI membrane, the shower tray onto the subfloor, and so on. You will also use the same thin-sets to install your tiles over our Shower System. Hope that helps!
At 11:23 you say to "center the included kerdi collar". My kit does not have this collar. Can you suggest what I can do?
Hi there ! We would recommend to contact our Customer Service Teams and they will be able to assist you. You can reach them at 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (CA) 🍊
Wouldn't you want the tapered drywall joints to be taped and mudded in prep for tiling?
Hi there, no, it's not necessary to tape the joints between drywall panels before installing KERDI. If you must tape the joints per fire code requirements, make sure to apply a latex primer over the taped joints before installing KERDI. Joint compound can be water soluble and should be protected from the moisture in the thin-set mortar used to install KERDI. Hope this helps!
@@schlutersystems1 - That's not what you folks said in 2002 when training took place at TCNA. Drywall is tapered at the seams. This area needs to be filled and taped because mortar shrinks as it dries causing mosaics or subway tile to belly inward. Primer is optional and latex modified thinset should be used on backerboards for a tenacious permanent bond.
@@schlutersystems1 How can you have a flat wall then if you don't tape and fill the tapered edges of the dryway?
Hey, If you are installing KERDI over tapered drywall edges and are installing smaller tiles, such as mosaics, and have a concern that you may end up with an uneven surface to tile over, you can always fill in the gap with thin-set and let it set up for a few hours before installing the KERDI over it. However, this is generally not necessary. The best way to install KERDI over tapered drywall edges is to bridge the gap with the flat side of the trowel or drywall knife and fill in the area and then immediately do the same thing again with the notched side of the trowel, being sure both edges of the trowel are supported by the higher points of the drywall so the trowel does not dip into the gap. When installing the KERDI, use the same technique when pressing the KERDI into the thin-set, so you end up with a perfectly flat finished surface to tile over.