The absolute incompetence is genuinely astonishing. Tanks dont need a buff to make them less miserable to play, they need less effective countering and less, or at least easier to avoid CC. What was the point of that health increase patch if they just continue to power creep and buff everything? edit: To clarify, if they were to nerf cc and countering then tanks would be much more survivable. Then if they become too strong, you just nerf their damage output. Thus, the tank role becomes not too strong but not hell on earth to play. I've been making this argument for months, and I'm glad to see people finally agreeing it makes a lot of sense
no, you should all agree to stop playing overwatch to prevent more people from supporting these developers. if rivals is good when it comes out, switch to that. there are other alternatives to overwatch.
I’ve never in my life complained about hero balance, but this season dva and JQ’s buffs are too much ! Dva’s health with new armor changes is like 3000, and her DM is 32 mins long JQ’s can 1v5 a whole team if she has her ult,, Now I’m officially a big supporter for 6v6
There's several other bugs I've encountered. I literally started floating as Ashe during cage fight after throwing my Bob and I have no idea how to replicate it even after looking at it in the replay viewer. Another bug is where I literally could not move forward, only side to side after getting rezzed by Mercy with enemies having been within my dead body (even after they died I couldn't move forward) - also not sure if that was the trigger (and it's not my keyboard, I built it and the switches are new + hasn't happened ever since). The floating has happened 2 times to me as Ashe and after the team fight ended my Bap just looked up at me like "?" And honestly, idk man, me too.
@@Karma.uknown I mean more unacceptable, a more acceptable bug would be how you used to be able to stand on the terrain behind the hero to the left of spawn with ball in the practice range
We played against a mauga last night and even with purple and discord orb with the whole team trained on him, he was just able to overheal the second purple went away
@@maniacpwnageking in theory yes. But he if pops it and gets his health back before you can practically react or even think about cover, his health is back to full HP. Its not like his Cardiac Overdrive has a charge up. Its click button = very fast profit time
@@maniacpwnagekingAnd then the enemy support does their job of supporting Mauga and now your counter play did literally nothing. There is so much more nuance around the game instead of “just counter him lol”
“Play around his one defensive cooldown” Ok. You do know there’s 2 supports right? Not sure if you knew this but those two characters are pretty good at supporting. Especially considering Bap and Kiri exist f Sure you can bio him, but guess what If there’s a mauga there’s a guaranteed Kiri and vice versa loñ. Dumbass. Me when I play a team game and only think about the one role
@@bernice9701ifyNOW ADAPT. Break LoS, use a shield, mitigate damage. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT INSTEAD OF CHOOSING TO ACTIVELY PLAY INTO A CHARACTER AT THEIR STRONGEST POINT Y'all sound like bronze players whining they can't dive bastion in turret form
Fucking baffling the devs thought these patches were a good idea. Holy shit, just killswitch the game already. You're just beating a corpse, hoping it gives you its wallet. It's pathetic.
The thought process was to benefit the average players which make up the majority of the game they clearly said fk balance lets help the average player. I'm trash at the game I'm for it
@renjia3504 No, they just genuinely don't know HOW to balance tank. They're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. They really don't know what to do with the game. They've just dug themselves so deep that they are suffocating from the amount of work they have to do now to fix the game. But I guess that's the bed you make when you choose profits over passion.
@@endoxos5402 na your just reverberating what content creators are say I agree even if they tried to help us lower tier players out it's still not balanced, but I think the aim wasn't balance it was fun factor. Game seems the same to me bs kills me bad teammates toxic chat. Nother day on the watch
@@renjia3504I personally find that winning in games is fun if my input and my skills were the reason for me winning. Winning because the game is so stupidly imbalanced is a bandaid covering a giant wound.
If you read thoroughly Mauga has 100% heal absorption instead of 50-60% THEY DOUBLED HIS HEALS while he hits any and everything 3 seconds is all he needs with an infinite health pool. Overwatch is a garbage fire, bring back 6v6. Greed killed this game.
@@upchucknorris2342I love how you addressed not even a single thing OP said. If *YOU* actually read thoroughly OP was saying, DVA you can eat the entirety of Cardiac Overdrive uptime.
It's for the majority of players they said f the balance for pros bc they're a fraction of a percentage of the entire player base they play the game at a far superior degree that is pretty much unrealistic for the average player to ever match so even when the games balanced the casual player still naturally just can't utilize characters to their degree. We make up the majority of the ow community not content creators or pros. I have my skepticism, but I'm willing to feel it out as a trash can player myself
@@renjia3504 I definitely agree with you I've said it before. They cater to much to casuals. They just need to get it to a place and leave it. They change things way too much when people whine about it. There's a point where the game devs should know best and the game stops getting changed so massively. They feel so uncertain about themselves, sad to see form an esports legend. RIP OW.
It's about even. It only last 3 seconds now, meaning it's easier for people to kite it. Also dva can matrix it now. Also allies get less dr and LfS than before.
She's always been able to headshot with her javelin, I've been headshot by that thing so many times that the crit icon is seered into my eyes, and every time i see an Orisa i get flashbacks to every time its happened
That’s the whole point of cardiac you’re not supposed to fight into it wait three seconds and he gets burned and also that’s the reason why his ultimate forces you to fight him
Pros hate it bc they want the game optimized around them and their superiorly high skill level and utilization of the game. Blizzard decided to say fk the pros most players don't perform anywhere near their degree even in a theoretically perfectly balanced world for pros, its unbalanced and hard for the casual player to get half the balance they get from balance so they buffed everything to help the majority of the player base instead of focusing on the fraction of a percent of pros or content creators. I'm fine with it I'm trash at the game I tried it I still get dropped like a brick on tank if I play like an idiot
@@renjia3504They gave Mauga 100% heal absorption with overdrive instead of his prepatch 50% he’s broken now. Game should’ve never been 5v5 glad I don’t play this rat invested garbage heap of game.
Did you try NOT standing still and shooting mauga after he shouts that his ability is gonna be up for the next few seconds? Natural cover exists in game.
Damn it really shows that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. “Just headshot on bastion turret form” ok man. You show us how it’s done Mauga can out dps and out heal a point blank whole hog, him not doing magical headshots was not the problem
And u are one of the guys that praise 5v5 This is what tanks need to be in 5v5 But no turning back to 6v6 is just the worst. Can’t imagine having more team play and removing Rock Paper Scissors from the game
One thing I will say is that these are completely controlled scenarios with no other factors such as other people shooting you or being stunned, just the bastion shooting, so it’s best to judge the patch after an actual game, but I do agree he got probably one of the best buffs and it’s wild
@@upchucknorris2342 You do know Amplification matrix does absolutely nothing defensively. IT DOES NOT cut enemy damage at all when receiving damage through it. Tell me you're hard stuck bronze with 0 understanding of this game without telling me Come on, please use *YOUR* brain.
@@maniacpwnagekingthats true but i did see a clip where they started shooting eachtoher at the same time and mauga still won, its stupid Edit: oh yeah and also the bastion was getting power boosted by a mercy
Yeah this is like fox-news-ragebait tiers of dumb Yes, when an unsupported bastion is the ONLY person firing through window while getting no heals or followup a tank is able to cycle their defensive cool down in order to live: something over half the tanks have always been able to do
I feel like that mauga example is a little fictitious. I know your showing the example of maugas sustainability, but in a situation like that where theses more than 2 people to fight against him, hes simply not going to live for that long.
He completely fucked up the demonstration too. He started shooting waaaaaaay before Bastion did. Probably deliberately too because he needs to make the game look bad to get views. It's what all the RUclipsrs do.
@@maniacpwnagekingthe cope is wild maybe just play a better game? Overwatch was 6v6 now you’re playing the equivalent of imitation crab meat. Plus the batiste ult nerfed Mauga’s dmg to 50%. Read the patch notes and use your brain. No one wants to play OW2. I could name hundreds of better games truly.
Why does this community complain about everything physically possible? Mauga can only be absorbing that much damage 1/4th of the time. Also in a real match it’s not just one guy shooting the Mauga, it’s their entire team.
I saw a mauga out live and out dps a bastion with window,nano and mercy damage boost. Dont know how you can get more than that + with the dps passive lmao He can also live a widow headshot with all those buffs in her ((For reference, that’s about a 1.4K headshot))
@@vornysamoyed6340 No he didn’t. Mauga with his lifesteal ability gets 140 hps or about 180 with over health included. Bastion with all those buffs would do 1404 dps, which would kill the Mauga in less than a second even with both healers pocketing him.
I dont think its that broken Its a tank ability same as fortify but he has to do damage in a real fight there will be a shield between you and that bastion
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The absolute incompetence is genuinely astonishing.
Tanks dont need a buff to make them less miserable to play, they need less effective countering and less, or at least easier to avoid CC.
What was the point of that health increase patch if they just continue to power creep and buff everything?
edit: To clarify, if they were to nerf cc and countering then tanks would be much more survivable. Then if they become too strong, you just nerf their damage output. Thus, the tank role becomes not too strong but not hell on earth to play. I've been making this argument for months, and I'm glad to see people finally agreeing it makes a lot of sense
Buffing tanks IS the right move...
They're just buffing the WRONG ONES
the health increase patch was for them to get around having to nerf the healing, btw its still impossible to kill a pocketed character as a tank
Tanks need their second tank to not be miserable anymore, simple as that , 6v6 lets fix the game and stop continuing this nonsense.
As a community we should agree to not play mauga to prevent this game from dying even more
That’ll never happen lmao don’t expect integrity in this community
no, you should all agree to stop playing overwatch to prevent more people from supporting these developers. if rivals is good when it comes out, switch to that. there are other alternatives to overwatch.
@@mac_sour even better, everyone queue up dps and hold the matchmaking hostage
Every single match after that I have played has had mauga in enemy team.
Mauga is so damn easy to play that switching to him is insta win in lower ranks
I’ve never in my life complained about hero balance, but this season dva and JQ’s buffs are too much !
Dva’s health with new armor changes is like 3000, and her DM is 32 mins long
JQ’s can 1v5 a whole team if she has her ult,,
Now I’m officially a big supporter for 6v6
They will do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to avoid admitting they fucked up with 5v5.
Fr. It's so funny watching them try to fix it and make 5v5 work instead of just bringing back a 2nd take
Guys it’s okay Junker Queen got an extra 25 overhealth on her shout it’s okay! 😂
There's several other bugs I've encountered. I literally started floating as Ashe during cage fight after throwing my Bob and I have no idea how to replicate it even after looking at it in the replay viewer. Another bug is where I literally could not move forward, only side to side after getting rezzed by Mercy with enemies having been within my dead body (even after they died I couldn't move forward) - also not sure if that was the trigger (and it's not my keyboard, I built it and the switches are new + hasn't happened ever since). The floating has happened 2 times to me as Ashe and after the team fight ended my Bap just looked up at me like "?" And honestly, idk man, me too.
WAIT i had the thing where i couldnt move forward a couple of times when i was playing like an hour or two ago - now I feel vindicated
I prefer this mauga. Dva can completely shut him down now.
they burnt the water
Orisa shouldn't be able to headshot with the spear, but that's still a pretty unacceptable bug.
Acceptable or unacceptable bug? Your saying the same thing it doesn’t make sense
are you slow?
This face is not a bug. It was just blizzard way sneaking in a buff for her cause they love her sm
@@RogelioNava-t6rpretty sure it’s a bug I couldn’t do it anymore yesterday
@@Karma.uknown I mean more unacceptable, a more acceptable bug would be how you used to be able to stand on the terrain behind the hero to the left of spawn with ball in the practice range
This is why lucio needs another nerf
We played against a mauga last night and even with purple and discord orb with the whole team trained on him, he was just able to overheal the second purple went away
You know the ability only lasts 3 seconds now right? Maybe just play around his 1 defensive cool down? Idk maybe that's too complicated for you.
@@maniacpwnageking in theory yes. But he if pops it and gets his health back before you can practically react or even think about cover, his health is back to full HP. Its not like his Cardiac Overdrive has a charge up. Its click button = very fast profit time
@@maniacpwnagekingAnd then the enemy support does their job of supporting Mauga and now your counter play did literally nothing. There is so much more nuance around the game instead of “just counter him lol”
“Play around his one defensive cooldown”
Ok. You do know there’s 2 supports right? Not sure if you knew this but those two characters are pretty good at supporting. Especially considering Bap and Kiri exist f
Sure you can bio him, but guess what
If there’s a mauga there’s a guaranteed Kiri and vice versa loñ. Dumbass. Me when I play a team game and only think about the one role
@@bernice9701ifyNOW ADAPT. Break LoS, use a shield, mitigate damage. DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT INSTEAD OF CHOOSING TO ACTIVELY PLAY INTO A CHARACTER AT THEIR STRONGEST POINT
Y'all sound like bronze players whining they can't dive bastion in turret form
Fucking baffling the devs thought these patches were a good idea. Holy shit, just killswitch the game already. You're just beating a corpse, hoping it gives you its wallet. It's pathetic.
The thought process was to benefit the average players which make up the majority of the game they clearly said fk balance lets help the average player. I'm trash at the game I'm for it
@renjia3504 No, they just genuinely don't know HOW to balance tank. They're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. They really don't know what to do with the game. They've just dug themselves so deep that they are suffocating from the amount of work they have to do now to fix the game.
But I guess that's the bed you make when you choose profits over passion.
@@endoxos5402 na your just reverberating what content creators are say I agree even if they tried to help us lower tier players out it's still not balanced, but I think the aim wasn't balance it was fun factor. Game seems the same to me bs kills me bad teammates toxic chat. Nother day on the watch
@@renjia3504I personally find that winning in games is fun if my input and my skills were the reason for me winning. Winning because the game is so stupidly imbalanced is a bandaid covering a giant wound.
@@diufool Its already broken literally how to play doomfist is by abusing game bugs and map problems
'mauja'
Mauga E only lasts 3 seconds now - Dva Matrix now lasts 3.5 sec. They made her a hard counter - which I'm sure will fix the counter pick issue.
If you read thoroughly Mauga has 100% heal absorption instead of 50-60% THEY DOUBLED HIS HEALS while he hits any and everything 3 seconds is all he needs with an infinite health pool. Overwatch is a garbage fire, bring back 6v6. Greed killed this game.
@@upchucknorris2342I love how you addressed not even a single thing OP said.
If *YOU* actually read thoroughly OP was saying, DVA you can eat the entirety of Cardiac Overdrive uptime.
@@upchucknorris2342 And exactly how much damage will he do now that Dva can DM his entire damage output for his entire E?
What's 100% of Zero?
@@bernice9701ify Glad someone can read.
I’m pretty sure they’ve said they like counterswapping which is basically them coping with the fact that 5v5 is just bad.
The problem is blizzard sucks at balancing. They do it to try and keep things new but reading patch notes is boring af
It's for the majority of players they said f the balance for pros bc they're a fraction of a percentage of the entire player base they play the game at a far superior degree that is pretty much unrealistic for the average player to ever match so even when the games balanced the casual player still naturally just can't utilize characters to their degree. We make up the majority of the ow community not content creators or pros. I have my skepticism, but I'm willing to feel it out as a trash can player myself
@@renjia3504 I definitely agree with you I've said it before. They cater to much to casuals. They just need to get it to a place and leave it. They change things way too much when people whine about it. There's a point where the game devs should know best and the game stops getting changed so massively. They feel so uncertain about themselves, sad to see form an esports legend. RIP OW.
Ramatra also got broken all of his cooldowns are now set to 11 seconds
That actually got fixed really quickly. Idk about some other bugs though.
Orisa headshot javelin got fixed as well@@leewiz8092
@@leewiz8092 oh that's good
"Look at my hp" damn shorts cropped it
They broke Mauja but at least the didn’t buff Mauga
I saw another one of these where the Bastion was shooting through window and had Mercy damage boost and still lost the 1v1.
Yay a OP tanked got buffed 😢
mauga is not OP
@@tire_iron488🤨
@@tire_iron488I'm guessing you're a bronze playing because he has been in the meta since his release into comp
It's about even. It only last 3 seconds now, meaning it's easier for people to kite it. Also dva can matrix it now. Also allies get less dr and LfS than before.
@@Bluefish-l1p mauga is a nightmare
It’s almost like overwatch was originally meant to be a 6v6 or something?😐
Ma-uga
they put in dps passive to make tanks die, then they made tanks immortal, and now supports are just useless... good job blizzard
The worst thing is with mauga the same thing will happen if the bastion has window+nano+mercy damage boost this update is ridiculous
they should make his current ult weaker, and put it on a cooldown. Then take cardiac overdrive- boost it even more and make it his ult
Mauga outheals whole hog btw so any damaging ultimate is practically useless on mauga so more abilities that counter ults
And rammattra is like just as tanky if not more than Mauga. Mauga just has insane life steal
mauga has:
biggest damage output
the best heal
the most hp
AND EVEN A MOBILITY MOVE, THIS THING IS NOT EVEN A CHARACTER, IT'S A MONSTER
She's always been able to headshot with her javelin, I've been headshot by that thing so many times that the crit icon is seered into my eyes, and every time i see an Orisa i get flashbacks to every time its happened
That’s the whole point of cardiac you’re not supposed to fight into it wait three seconds and he gets burned and also that’s the reason why his ultimate forces you to fight him
Well I have quit support and started to play tank and man, I feel like a raid boss on Ramattra
I'm so happy I've kind of stopped playing recently
I honestly perfer this mauga, which sounds stupid to say but know cardiac overdrive is the exact length of the ana sleep dart
Pros hate it bc they want the game optimized around them and their superiorly high skill level and utilization of the game. Blizzard decided to say fk the pros most players don't perform anywhere near their degree even in a theoretically perfectly balanced world for pros, its unbalanced and hard for the casual player to get half the balance they get from balance so they buffed everything to help the majority of the player base instead of focusing on the fraction of a percent of pros or content creators. I'm fine with it I'm trash at the game I tried it I still get dropped like a brick on tank if I play like an idiot
@@renjia3504 in fairness, Mauga is stupid and has been stupid since launch but yea
@@renjia3504They gave Mauga 100% heal absorption with overdrive instead of his prepatch 50% he’s broken now. Game should’ve never been 5v5 glad I don’t play this rat invested garbage heap of game.
@@upchucknorris2342For someone who doesn’t play why are you so invested?
@@Thereeldabibi where’s your momma at?
I swear to God what of the next patch they make it'll say "the ultimate fix" and it's just 6v6
Ramm’s ultimate with nano cant fucking kill him 💀💀💀
Season 8: Mauga meta
Players: too strong, nerf pls
Devs nerf Mauga and Orisa
Season 11: Mauga becomes Raid Boss
Checks out 👍
rams cooldowns r all messed up too
As a community we should only play mauga to put this game out of its misery
Don’t forget, the result doesn’t change even if Bastion gets Mercy damage boost
YOU ASKED FOR BIG SILLY CHANGES AND THEY DELIVERED, CURSE OF RAH
God I love your hair it so long!!
Did you try NOT standing still and shooting mauga after he shouts that his ability is gonna be up for the next few seconds? Natural cover exists in game.
Orisa and Mauga are super unfun and unfun repspectively
Big moves here, blizzard!
I like the changes - game seems good! The streamers complaining meta is getting boring though.
And now that some time past it looks like everybody had his drastically overreacted
Maybe tell the bastion to go for headshots And get that bonus damage
Turret form removes headshot multiplier from bastions bullets. Usually making it better to aim for the center and hit as many shots as possible
Damn it really shows that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. “Just headshot on bastion turret form” ok man. You show us how it’s done
Mauga can out dps and out heal a point blank whole hog, him not doing magical headshots was not the problem
Sorry boys. I hit my breaking point. Ill be on Marvel rivals til they fix Overwatch.
i'm happy for tank mains, but mauga did not need this
Overwatch 2, now playable - so that was a lie.
Bro icl i thought Bogur was using a gender swap filter for a hot minute 😂
one suzu or 1-3 heal bursts from bap/ana and mauga is losing. whats the point?
Mauga
At this point
Why play support
Everyone complainded but still played lol
Literally jus avoid him for 3 seconds
But this will not work anyway in Game
Or just go ana it's not that hard guys
Double wall and still nothing?
Mauja ?
And u are one of the guys that praise 5v5
This is what tanks need to be in 5v5
But no turning back to 6v6 is just the worst. Can’t imagine having more team play and removing Rock Paper Scissors from the game
Wdym now? It always was.
Bogur looks like he started puberty blockers SUPER early 😅😂
bogur is cute
One thing I will say is that these are completely controlled scenarios with no other factors such as other people shooting you or being stunned, just the bastion shooting, so it’s best to judge the patch after an actual game, but I do agree he got probably one of the best buffs and it’s wild
bro hawt
the long hair doesn't fit you king
Mauja
The Bastion didn't get healed in either of those clips, wonder what happens if he does?
The mauga also started shooting the bastion almost a full second early lmao. OW content creators are absolutely delusional.
@@upchucknorris2342 You do know Amplification matrix does absolutely nothing defensively. IT DOES NOT cut enemy damage at all when receiving damage through it. Tell me you're hard stuck bronze with 0 understanding of this game without telling me
Come on, please use *YOUR* brain.
Hes been going on every comment rage baiting people dont listen to him@bernice9701ify
@@maniacpwnagekingthats true but i did see a clip where they started shooting eachtoher at the same time and mauga still won, its stupid
Edit: oh yeah and also the bastion was getting power boosted by a mercy
Yeah this is like fox-news-ragebait tiers of dumb
Yes, when an unsupported bastion is the ONLY person firing through window while getting no heals or followup a tank is able to cycle their defensive cool down in order to live: something over half the tanks have always been able to do
Orisa already felt like ass to play against and she got buffed 👏👏👏
Iron 2 take
Orisa was unplayable last patch
Is Bogurs entire comment section wood 3
@@teejay1646 Yes. I get not liking the tank changes, that's totally fair, but his reasoning is so flawed to the point of deceipt
@@maniacpwnageking 🧢 nobody needed fortify duration to increase that’s an L conclusion to make by the dev team
I feel like that mauga example is a little fictitious. I know your showing the example of maugas sustainability, but in a situation like that where theses more than 2 people to fight against him, hes simply not going to live for that long.
He completely fucked up the demonstration too. He started shooting waaaaaaay before Bastion did. Probably deliberately too because he needs to make the game look bad to get views. It's what all the RUclipsrs do.
@@maniacpwnagekingthe cope is wild maybe just play a better game? Overwatch was 6v6 now you’re playing the equivalent of imitation crab meat. Plus the batiste ult nerfed Mauga’s dmg to 50%. Read the patch notes and use your brain. No one wants to play OW2. I could name hundreds of better games truly.
@@upchucknorris2342Bap ult doesn't give damage reduction and never has you arrogant glue sniffer
Why does this community complain about everything physically possible? Mauga can only be absorbing that much damage 1/4th of the time. Also in a real match it’s not just one guy shooting the Mauga, it’s their entire team.
I saw a mauga out live and out dps a bastion with window,nano and mercy damage boost. Dont know how you can get more than that + with the dps passive lmao
He can also live a widow headshot with all those buffs in her
((For reference, that’s about a 1.4K headshot))
@@vornysamoyed6340 No he didn’t. Mauga with his lifesteal ability gets 140 hps or about 180 with over health included. Bastion with all those buffs would do 1404 dps, which would kill the Mauga in less than a second even with both healers pocketing him.
I dont think its that broken
Its a tank ability same as fortify but he has to do damage
in a real fight there will be a shield between you and that bastion
There is no way blizzard actually knows how they made this game😂😂
Who is this cute girly😋