Worse?? I must be blind then, or we have very different tastes. Because this upscaler make all these games look leagues better to my eyes. The blurriness/low-res of Switch is just awful.
@@peterGchaves The aliasing is far worse, especially in motion it looks extremely bad, by using simple sharpening the pixels are sharpened yes but this comes at the cost of also causing more edge aliasing, shader flicker and image instability with pixels sparkling and fizzling when they shouldn't. And once you notice the annoying flickering and jaggies you cant unsee it, it becomes extremely distracting to play. A softer image without aliasing, shader flicker and image fizzling is far more pleasing to the eye when actually playing the game as the image is stable and clean especially when there's a lot of motion and camera movement on screen. Ideally you would have both, high resolution sharpness, clean edge lines and perfect pixel stability. Unfortunately basic sharpening filters make most of these artifacts even worse while only offering some sharper pixels. Bad aliasing and image instability remains to this day one of the shittier parts of games graphics that never gets a proper solution. Some games do it great, in other's it's terrible regardless of resolution or antialiasing settings.
Right, the Switch is already very pixelated and the sharpening makes it a lot worse, maybe if you use the 4K Gamer Pro at LOW and then apply the mClassic antialiasing to the TV, then you should get a nice result. But very expensive to buy both, rather stick with the mClassic alone.
Podrias volver a probar elden ring? Metieron el trazado de rayos y el rendimiento cambio bastante, ademas de que ahora en PS se puede usar el VRR, cosa que antes no existía
mClassic funciona genial, da más nitidez a la imagen y, a la vez, suaviza los dientes de sierra. El 4K Gamer Pro lo único que hace es añadir sharpening a la imagen, en juegos con poco aliasing funciona, pero en la mayoría empeora la imagen. La mezcla de ambos funciona bastante bien, porque se suaviza la imagen y luego se agrega nitidez.
Agregar nomas que cualquier tv actual en especial las oled y qdoled de sony hacen un mejor trabajo con la switch en cuanto a la resolución, el reescalado a 4k es demasiado bueno en mi a90j que no hay ninguna necesidad de usar esos productos, pero para tvs de gamas bajas es entendible el uso de esos adaptadores.
Pero si mezclas los dos fijate que pongas el 4K Gamer Pro en LOW (bajo) y despues el mClassic hacia la TV, asi el ultimo efecto sera el de suavizar y al estar en bajo el sharpening no sera tan exagerado que pueda dañar la imagen como pasa con MEDIUM.
Estaría bien que hicieras un vídeo mostrando el resultado en Xbox Series S en juegos que tienen baja resolución, por ejemplo, Yakuza Like a Dragon en modo rendimiento 👍
Yo adoro el Mclassic. Lo uso para todas mis consolas sub HD y mi Framemeister. También tengo un PC retro y el Mclassic hace milagros en los fondos pre renderizados de las antiguas aventuras gráficas.
@@danielgomez7236to each their own, but I actually think the 4k gamer pro looks better than nothing at the low setting. I wouldn't be surprised if a new high end TV could accomplish something similar though by using a little sharpening.
@@ryanazarko Ok but be aware that the 4K Gamer will apply a sharpening filter that will increase the aliasing, that means a pixelated image. But hey you could get an interesting effect if you buy both and mix mClassic with 4K GP (Low Mode).
@@danielgomez7236 I actually own both and don't use them in conjunction. I have a switch dock hooked up to my 4k projector that doesn't support 1440p. I use the 4k gamer pro here because does a better job upscaling from 1080p to 4k than the projector does and I just leave it on low. I also have a Samsung TV that will accept a 1440p signal and I use the mclassic there. The reason I don't use two together is because the mclassic doesn't support rgb full. Also if I use the combo on my Samsung TV, the mclassic tries to output 1440p which the 4k gamer pro won't upscale and if I reverse the order the mclassic wont accept a 4k input signal..
El 4k gamer pro funciona solo si la salida del HDMI es a 1080p Para el PS3, considero que el orden correcto es el siguiente: Smart TV 4K + HDMI + MClassic en color verde (salida 1080p) + 4K Gamer Pro (low) + PS3
Yo tengo una LG y hace todo ese trabajo sin yo tener q tocar nada es un optimizado de juegos y lo configuras al máximo y se ve mejor q este aparato q son bien caros también
@@fabrizioolaza3509 El cambio si es bastante, puede que aqui no se vea del todo bien por la mala calidad de los videos en RUclips, tambien es muy bueno para PS3 y Xbox 360.
@@fabrizioolaza3509 sirve para toda consola que tenga entrada HDMI: Xbox 360, PS3, Wii U, Wii (requiere el adaptador WII2HDMI para que funcione), Xbox One, PS4, etc..
This has always been the biggest problem with the Switch, it has a very bad bilinear upscale of 1spp that just makes everything blurry, it would be better not to upscale, then what Nintendo does, it takes this already resized and blurred image and stretches it with the analogue chip from the dock that converts displaypprt to hdmi, then what the tv does, it upscales again most with a bicubic. Res 900p 》 bilinear upscale 》 1080p sip 》 display port interface 》 interface USB 》 FPGA dock converter HDMI 》 hdmi decode TV》 Upscale 4K. 😢
What are you talking about? Switching between digital interfaces from HDMI to DisplayPort or vice versa does not result in signal degradation... the change happens when the Switch scales the games that need it and when the TV scales to the native resolution.
@@miggonzmoI do like my mclassic but my Sony oled with reality creation cranked up does look better without it. Daunte's Inferno on my ps3 looks like I'm playing on ps4.
Excelente video. Ya lo intentare en mi TV a ver como se ve.
4K Gamer Pro Upscaler looks like it's just sharpening. Making it look worse. 3:25 the fence is a perfect example of mClassic's AA
Worse?? I must be blind then, or we have very different tastes.
Because this upscaler make all these games look leagues better to my eyes. The blurriness/low-res of Switch is just awful.
@@peterGchaves The aliasing is far worse, especially in motion it looks extremely bad, by using simple sharpening the pixels are sharpened yes but this comes at the cost of also causing more edge aliasing, shader flicker and image instability with pixels sparkling and fizzling when they shouldn't. And once you notice the annoying flickering and jaggies you cant unsee it, it becomes extremely distracting to play.
A softer image without aliasing, shader flicker and image fizzling is far more pleasing to the eye when actually playing the game as the image is stable and clean especially when there's a lot of motion and camera movement on screen. Ideally you would have both, high resolution sharpness, clean edge lines and perfect pixel stability.
Unfortunately basic sharpening filters make most of these artifacts even worse while only offering some sharper pixels.
Bad aliasing and image instability remains to this day one of the shittier parts of games graphics that never gets a proper solution. Some games do it great, in other's it's terrible regardless of resolution or antialiasing settings.
Right, the Switch is already very pixelated and the sharpening makes it a lot worse, maybe if you use the 4K Gamer Pro at LOW and then apply the mClassic antialiasing to the TV, then you should get a nice result. But very expensive to buy both, rather stick with the mClassic alone.
lol are we seeing the same video? it looks so much better with the mClassic at high settings
@@Dash120z reread my comment
Podrias volver a probar elden ring? Metieron el trazado de rayos y el rendimiento cambio bastante, ademas de que ahora en PS se puede usar el VRR, cosa que antes no existía
mClassic funciona genial, da más nitidez a la imagen y, a la vez, suaviza los dientes de sierra. El 4K Gamer Pro lo único que hace es añadir sharpening a la imagen, en juegos con poco aliasing funciona, pero en la mayoría empeora la imagen. La mezcla de ambos funciona bastante bien, porque se suaviza la imagen y luego se agrega nitidez.
Agregar nomas que cualquier tv actual en especial las oled y qdoled de sony hacen un mejor trabajo con la switch en cuanto a la resolución, el reescalado a 4k es demasiado bueno en mi a90j que no hay ninguna necesidad de usar esos productos, pero para tvs de gamas bajas es entendible el uso de esos adaptadores.
Pero si mezclas los dos fijate que pongas el 4K Gamer Pro en LOW (bajo) y despues el mClassic hacia la TV, asi el ultimo efecto sera el de suavizar y al estar en bajo el sharpening no sera tan exagerado que pueda dañar la imagen como pasa con MEDIUM.
@@chronox1763 el mClassic es espectacular para consolas retro como GC/Wii/PS3
@@chronox1763yo tengo una oled 4k .....combiene comprar unos de estos aparatos o no?
@@wers0717 La verdad no lo vale para nada, es mas para televisores con mal reescalado, ahorrate el dinero para otra cosa mejor.
It's crazy how good this works.
Estaría bien que hicieras un vídeo mostrando el resultado en Xbox Series S en juegos que tienen baja resolución, por ejemplo, Yakuza Like a Dragon en modo rendimiento 👍
Just dropped the best freestyle of my life watching this video. I mean the smoke alarm went off, i was spitting hot fire
Yo adoro el Mclassic. Lo uso para todas mis consolas sub HD y mi Framemeister. También tengo un PC retro y el Mclassic hace milagros en los fondos pre renderizados de las antiguas aventuras gráficas.
donde se compra compra?
@@alvarobaltazar831 Amazon
Use the 4K Gamer Pro (Low) to mClassic to TV for Best picture
Usen el 4K Gamer Pro (Low) hacia el mClassic hacia la TV para tener la mejor imagen
I see no upscaling, just a sharpening filter 🤷♂️
Gotta use the 1080p EDID emulator from Startech b4 the 4kGamerPro to truly upscale up to 4k.
it is simply a sharpening filter. The aliasing are still quite strong (even stronger because of the over-sharpening)
Yeah it makes the aliasing far worse, I actually prefer a lower res softer image if it has less aliasing.
Yeah the 4K Gamer Pro sharpening looks bad as hell, try the m Classic instead.
@@danielgomez7236to each their own, but I actually think the 4k gamer pro looks better than nothing at the low setting. I wouldn't be surprised if a new high end TV could accomplish something similar though by using a little sharpening.
@@ryanazarko Ok but be aware that the 4K Gamer will apply a sharpening filter that will increase the aliasing, that means a pixelated image. But hey you could get an interesting effect if you buy both and mix mClassic with 4K GP (Low Mode).
@@danielgomez7236 I actually own both and don't use them in conjunction. I have a switch dock hooked up to my 4k projector that doesn't support 1440p. I use the 4k gamer pro here because does a better job upscaling from 1080p to 4k than the projector does and I just leave it on low. I also have a Samsung TV that will accept a 1440p signal and I use the mclassic there. The reason I don't use two together is because the mclassic doesn't support rgb full. Also if I use the combo on my Samsung TV, the mclassic tries to output 1440p which the 4k gamer pro won't upscale and if I reverse the order the mclassic wont accept a 4k input signal..
Are you able to run the PhotoSmark 4k Pro in HIGH mode while connected to the mClassic?
Y alguien sabe como conseguirlo?, por lo general siempre se encuentra agotado :(
Hola, piensas hacer una nueva comparación con cyberpunk? Escuché que la nueva actualización hace que haya menos peatones
I always use high quality on the 4kGamerPro + mClassic because it's the most notable...why not.
now mod the switch, overclock it, and apply the 1080p patch.
starting with a higher resolution will help drastically
Dónde consigo el mClassic?
Lets hope Nintendo lawyers don't close them down like the kickstarter Switch upscaler
¿Hay un orden de conexión cuando tienes ambos?
El 4k gamer pro funciona solo si la salida del HDMI es a 1080p
Para el PS3, considero que el orden correcto es el siguiente: Smart TV 4K + HDMI + MClassic en color verde (salida 1080p) + 4K Gamer Pro (low) + PS3
Me pregunto si esto funcionará con la interpolacion a 60 frames qué hacen las TV modernas
Yo tengo una LG y hace todo ese trabajo sin yo tener q tocar nada es un optimizado de juegos y lo configuras al máximo y se ve mejor q este aparato q son bien caros también
use it in psvr1 if you can
Just max out ur sharpness option on ur tv breh
Combining them looks easily the best, but at that price point, console included....just Yuzu it and play at 4K lol.
Love :)
Mclassic is the best
Merece la pena la verdad
Mclassic y le subes la nitidez a la TV... SE VEDE LOCURA
básicamente hace que la Switch parezca que tenga gráficos de PS4.
Seriously? Show us games in normal gameplay. Static images are not representative of normal image quality in normal gameplay.
Nada como yuzu my friend
Muy bonito y todo pero 160$ por un escalador de imagen, no gracias
Nada como un buen emulador con sus 120 frames y 4k ..😊
Que es el mclassic?
Es un conector HDMI que suaviza la imagen de salida a la TV, lo recomiendo para quien tenga la Switch pero es costoso.
@@danielgomez7236 y solo sirve para switch? Porque veo que hay un cambio muy grande!
@@fabrizioolaza3509 El cambio si es bastante, puede que aqui no se vea del todo bien por la mala calidad de los videos en RUclips, tambien es muy bueno para PS3 y Xbox 360.
@@danielgomez7236 datazo!! Voy a buscarlo luego muchas gracias por la información! Abrazo!
@@fabrizioolaza3509 sirve para toda consola que tenga entrada HDMI: Xbox 360, PS3, Wii U, Wii (requiere el adaptador WII2HDMI para que funcione), Xbox One, PS4, etc..
This has always been the biggest problem with the Switch, it has a very bad bilinear upscale of 1spp that just makes everything blurry, it would be better not to upscale, then what Nintendo does, it takes this already resized and blurred image and stretches it with the analogue chip from the dock that converts displaypprt to hdmi, then what the tv does, it upscales again most with a bicubic. Res 900p 》 bilinear upscale 》 1080p sip 》 display port interface 》 interface USB 》 FPGA dock converter HDMI 》 hdmi decode TV》 Upscale 4K. 😢
Well it's a dogshit console spec's wise
It's some terrible upscaling, however the mClassic can fix that mess with smart blur filter, the same as PC FXAA or SMAA
What are you talking about? Switching between digital interfaces from HDMI to DisplayPort or vice versa does not result in signal degradation... the change happens when the Switch scales the games that need it and when the TV scales to the native resolution.
OFF (Switch Standard) Mode is the best
Not really as the Switch is an absolute disappointment
Oversharping. This device Makes no sense
Mi consejo como dueño de una Switch es que si la pueden emular, haganlo. Tiene buen catálogo, pero como hardware no vale la pena.
Мудрый совет
Los juegos son lo que hace que una consola valga la pena, no al revés.
@@WERV2003полностью согласен, я купил switch и кайфую кто бы что не говорил про его мощность его игры реально затягивают
@@WERV2003naa entonces hubieran seguido con el mes original si de verdad no importara el hardware...
First
mClassic by itself is better
Salve
life hack : open setting menu in ur tv and increase sharpness, and u dont need to buy any of these
my OLED TV already does this better
No, it doesn't
@@miggonzmoI do like my mclassic but my Sony oled with reality creation cranked up does look better without it. Daunte's Inferno on my ps3 looks like I'm playing on ps4.
всё это дичь. на эмуле лучше