In a perfect world …..you want everyone to buy your Merc and to keep on buying forever. In a real world , your customers want to develop their own country and the car industry may be their next project. There is no doubt that China would have a big and competitive car industry soon. If Germany is pragmatic, it would face it head on and bite the bullet and do whatever it takes to forge ahead. That means some German companies will fail and some will succeed. If they put the head into the sand …..German companies will be shielded for a decade but they will be overwhelmed after that. China is not going away. You can either deal with it ………or pretend it is not true.
China will continue to be an economic superpower unless their dictator decides he wants the country to invade its neighbors. Then China won't be selling anything anymore outside their own domestic market. This is the entire reason you see "de-risking" happening. If China was a democracy and the Chinese people could elect their leaders, no one in the rest of the world would have a problem.
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies. Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed. The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies. The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
Germany should decide whether to bash its major customer. It’s hard to imagine to bash someone and expect them to buy cars from you, especially when they have figured out how to make cars themselves.But again, it is understandable that the policy was made under the duress of US military occupation. Germany can’t even question who blew up its energy supply line.
Beijing has been bashing it's primary trade partner (America) for literal decades, and I don't mean what you mean when you say "bash" I mean actually bash .. Somehow I doubt that disagreeing with Beijing will affect trade all that much, they'll make threats sure enough but that'll be the end of it. Trade with Germany is just as important for Beijing as it is for Berlin, and in someways it's even more important for them.
So sad that their leader need to report to Washington It is the single highest national security issue , when the country leader need to report to other country. France: You are only vessel state if someone else allows to establish military bases in your territory.
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies. Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed. The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies. The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
Is that how your grade 2 brain interprets international policy? Than I'm sure your grade 2 brain tells that In China when they call you a friend/partner/ally that means that they expect you to be subservient and look the other way when they do bad things.
True Germany is screwed on both sides. Geographically it isn’t in a good spot. Now they are trying to move most manufacturing back to the states at least basf but it will take awhile. If China posture for world domination stayed as the status quo then none of this would’ve happened. President Xi is to blame about all the hostilities aimed currently at China.
Germany has learned from Australia. They realized that relying on your biggest trading partner leads down a dark path. The easy way is to stick with china. The better future is to rely on what the many think.....and the many is moving away from China.
@@casualsuede quite right and if that means loosing your access to cheep energy your industry depends on or your most lucrative customers as in China and you reduce your wealth and standard of living massively that a price I am willing to let Germany pay
Western countries have better EV technology?this guy is a laughing stock,Tesla without sourcing best batteries from Chinese companies,Tesla cars would be inferior.
In this fantasy you've dreamed up, I suppose the Chinese people are synonymous with the communist party? 🙄Germany has no issue with the people, it's the actions of the regime in Beijing that it (sometimes) takes issue with. Arguing otherwise is disingenuous.
I just want to ask dw, you have explained so much, in reality, which businessman would take the risk of losing money to find another business to replace, is it a company designated by the United States, or a company designated by Germany? You treat us as fools and I treat you as 🤡
why against technology transfer? china also transfer their high speed train technology to indonesia. the global south also dont make a fuss about biodiversity transfer... so people in europe can enjoy fruits or just claim coffee is theirs. cmon, we live in 2023. anything that benefit the few, should be questioned.
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies. Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed. The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies. The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
23:00 "everyone has different priorities." Something that was not discussed here is that the priorities of the big German automakers and the German (and EU) governments may be starting to diverge. The Western carmakers until recently had the biggest share of the Chinese auto market while doing most of their R&D in Germany, employing many top-notch engineers and spending a large part of their R&D budget in Europe. Since the pandemic, the market share of Western car companies in China has fallen precipitously, even more so in the market for electric vehicles. Part of this is because Chinese car companies, especially private startups not affiliated to the big state-owned car companies (that Western companies have mandatory joint ventures with), are much nimbler in responding to rapidly changing Chinese market preferences for software-intensive features in their cars. The big car companies in Germany (as well as the rest of the West, Japan and Korea) feel they have no choice but to shift more product development to China, and some technology development and research will inevitably follow, if they have any hope to claw back market share and stay competitive in the world's largest auto market. But the German government (and other governments) don't want to see these national champion companies that have benefitted so much from state support sending high-end jobs to China, reducing their R&D spending in Europe from the levels seen in the past. Will these car companies be able to count on state support in the future, the sort exemplified by Merkel's yearly trips to Beijing? Will the government push back on its auto companies, pressuring them to do more of their R&D in Germany or at least Europe? I don't think this mismatch of priorities will be resolved easily, and it will make it harder to respond to future disruptions on the scale of a pandemic or a sudden war. It will be harder to respond to the rise of Chinese EV manufacture and export. German car companies would likely try to manufacture in China not just for the China market, but to export to Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. But this would be taking away from export of cars made in Germany. High production costs in Germany (and to some extent even Central/Eastern Europe, where costs are rising to German levels) are here to stay, and while some Chinese costs are also rising (wages, but not battery supplies), it is likely that, for example, Volkswagen could build cars for Indonesia cheaper in China than in Germany. Will future German governments from any party be happy with that direction? Volkswagen has been failing miserably in developing its own software with CARIAD, will they see any alternative to depending on China for more of their automotive software, not just for China models but models for other markets developed using common platforms?
Simply, big manufacturers were only looking at near term prospects for business in China. Totally dumb, as were their governments for being naive and inactive allowing it. About 25 years ago I worked for major French company Alstom, who for decades were maybe the world's leading makers of high speed trains, the TGV. That business and the 2 other western global leaders, including Siemens, in bidding for early train contracts to China were required to include technology transfer. Guess what, now China is the global leader in train manufacture far surpassing the dumb westerners with even more advanced and faster trains, plus great operation and scheduling control systems. Dumber than dumb. Good on China for exploiting the West running to its own slaughter manufacturing wise - can't blame China then with over a billion in poverty.
you think the west treat china especially well than to other countries, like india, indonisia or malysia, vietnam? if not why only china could grow so fast and catch up with the west in all fields even space project and 5 G which the west does not even have? Your precious car tech could worth a lot 20 years ago or even 3 years ago, but today china goes shoulder to shoulder with the west on EV and chinese EV would take over the world very soon. But for these luxry car brands in Europe, its a different story not because their high tech but for the brand name and reputation. chinese rich would like these cars if they could reach the Tesla EV level or close.
No need for NS pipeline, Germany has decided to eliminate its local industry through conscious elimination cheap source of gas, and antagonise China so the Chinese consumer kills the german industry outside of Germany. This will free the German government to financialize its economy just like the US and UK. Print the euro and buy any commodity you want and no hassling middle class only cater for the 1 percent who will pay you handsomely for you services.
As much as i will agree this video is a bit funny for its blooper moment in begin of the video, DW is likely 100x better than wherever you are from. UNLESS you are from scandinavian nations. As they are on the top of the top of the world in press freedom, transparency and so on and so on. If you are from some nation in Asia, Africa or Moddle east I have news for you. You have a high change of raning in the middle or utterly rock bottom. DW is vastly better than all of the news in all those nations
@@Ptolemy336VV I'm just commenting for you to reflect on the absurdity of randomly insulting large swaths of the world due to a comment from one person that may or may not be from those regions.
Germany was doing so well with cheap energetics from Russia and access to the biggest market in the world plus cheap factories. Why do they need to have the approval of the US and join in this economic war? C'mon Germany, take decisions by yourself.
To be a friend or enemy of China today is depending what Washington asked about particular country in regards with they diplomatic relations with China at that very moment. Not one country can decide for themselves especially the ones members of NATO if the relations with China to be on good terms. Look at USA what kind of diplomatic relations had with many countries around the world right now.
That's correct. The US is the worlds only super power and when Europe elects liberal feminine men to government who don't spend money on defense. They are like wives dependent on their man for protection. Europe needs to do as they are told, Its that simple. Start electing masculine men and you can do what you like.
Mercedes Sales in China 2022, 750.000 units (in Germany only 230.000). Bmw 790.000 units in China meanwhile in Germany 250.000 units. Absolutely China is our Best Partner. No need Expert to Analyze it.
DW the China bashing Germany MSM should ask your foreign minister, trade minister from Green Party who are China haters to go to the CEOs of BMW, MB, VW, Siemens, BASF etc to stop trading with China. It will save DW media time for other issues. 😝😇
Certainly what France wants, its got solid relationship with India, and if it can take Germany market share in china, macron is gonna be de gualle the second to dominant European🎉
@@ghostface558 France and China are natural allies: very centralized/hierarchical, secular, ancient, pompous, and like to eat weird stuff everyone else says not to.
@@calvinhoward3808 certainly，and France has always been on the front line of revolution, lots of pioneers studied in France to find solution for the future of china, first and most remembered premier of PRC zhou en lai was a solid case.
@@induchopra3014but Pakistan has nukes and Taiwan doesn't plus Taiwan has always been part of China and every single country that has trade relation with China has deal signed that Taiwan is part of China and believe me U.S just want to make China invade just like they did to Russia as if it will change anything other than people die and bring misery. Somehow U.S creates misery everywhere it goes
Why is it punishment? When you decide not to buy from people who consider you as their enemy? Why would you want to sell your goods to your enemy? Why don't you just trade with your friends? US, UK, EU, Japan, SK, Australia, Canada, etc have enough middle class to trade with each other.
Because while exploiting the human and natural resources from less developed country, they also want to occupy the moral high ground and accuse the producers for pollution and manifested "human right issues", pretending they didn't consume the final products at all.
If it could happen then they would have done plus China is already what you want India to be and it took decades so people don't want to invest decades to make another China personally I think its impossible
What is the real risk? A majority of EU’s high-tech, apps and medias are from the US. Those are not only products but can change people’s thinking, which is even more risky. Right? Actually, China is geographically quiet far away from the EU, and the so-called geopolitical risks are only chips created by certain politicians. Independent thinking is now the pivot key for EU to de-risking itself.
Talking points that favour Beijing's narratives often seem plausible, at a superficial level, but almost always fall apart with even a little examination. Beijing doesn't _do_ "independent thinking", certainly not in China and (when they can help it) not outside of China either.
@@dongdong9560 Are you always this dismissive of things you don't "get"? Then the flaw is in your thinking, not mine. I've said what I wanted to say, it doesn't need to conform to your strictures. That's what independent thought means, you know. It means thinking independently, which is completely different from towing the party line.
@@leavesinautumn5959 You made a mistake here. Independent thinking is not equal to freedom of expression. A man without independent thinking also could say what he want to say, especially online.
@@dongdong9560 You're playing word games, here I'll walk us back from the woods and put things in very unambiguous terms. Beijing is no friend to Europe. It should be treated as it treats the EU, with skepticism and extreme caution. Limiting it's influence over and access to Europeans, kept at arms length except where necessary. Europe should only make as many concession to Beijing as Beijing makes to Europe. A policy centered around reciprocity, nothing could be simpler or more objectively fair. This remains true even online.
China might be the biggest polluter now but Europe and the USA have being the biggest polluters over time, plus the main consumers of products that create pollution somewhere else (in the south)
not fall apart don't be dense it just doesnt mean as much growth. At the same time Chinese also get no German products, trade is a two way partnership buddy
@@icecube3645 lol Germany does not care more about its relationship with the US more than its financial growth nor does the US think there is something wrong with German Chinese trade. its like some of you in these comments do not know how the world works
This is what you call a “free” world?! You are threatened to choose a side ?! If it’s free you can choose “both” sides As photoshop sells its products on both MS and Apple ?
Sure you can trade with China. But you should always help your friends more than your enemies, or you will eventually only have enemies because the incentive is to be your enemy and benefit. This is why China won't listen, because you treat them better than your friend called Taiwan.
@@mabo9636yeah and now that business partner wants to take over that's what you get when you deal with child killing dictators. But then again historically ignoring human rights is a German thing to do.
Taiwan is as free as any nation and it's biggest trading partner is mainland China, until calculating politicians use the two China issue to win election 8 years ago. The DPP parties won by demonizing China and the opposition KMT party, saying they are in cohort to reunify into a communist Taiwan. US is using this opportunity to stir up a war, may be through murdering a few KMT members to force China to invade. Then NATO will have no choice to sanction their important trading partner China, resulting a weaken world except the American.
China has never been Germany's friend and Germany is beginning to realize that since Xi came into power in 2013. Xi doesn't want to be the partner to the world, they want to be the leader to the world. The Partner to the world concept died with Hu Jintao.
When you treat someone as your competitor mean you have the same equal mindset. If you treat someone as partner, hence there is no need to compete, compare and jealous...
The only reason for this "Dependance" on Red China is that its cheap. Which makes sense when people get enslaved or Work 9/9/6 for a Bowl of rice. We even subsidise them, e.g. free shipping because its rated as an "developing country".. which is ridiculous given that they flew to space, have nukes etc.
@@jerrytom5841 its not the same though u don't undertand. those places aren't as developed which is so critical for reliable manufacturing. Africa is rife with corruption and war amongst a bunch of other things
Let address the current context: - Conflict with Russia - The rise of India - Peak of China but also the downfall due to demographic collapse It is a good strategy since China is dying itself lol
I dreamed after I went crazy in 1988. That from inside the Catholic church of São Miguel would come a bunch of pigs running down the stairs and behind them a bunch of baianas with big skirts circling around.
@@cfwin1776 india has a lot of promise more than china at least. They literally have opposite situations. China has a very old population that's decreasing quickly btw, India has a very high young population the highest in the world, Chinese labor is also getting more expensive and riskier with threat of war. Moving to India is a no brainer only if India can successfully utilise its large population
West runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds. India will never allowvthe the west to use it as It did Ukraine. Zelensky should have seen through this.
100% uncut
It is either partner or competitor ,cannot be both
Climate crisis enters the chat 😅
Pull your VW,bmw and Mercedes out of China,China domestic car makers will be laughing all the way to Deutsch bank.
In a perfect world …..you want everyone to buy your Merc and to keep on buying forever.
In a real world , your customers want to develop their own country and the car industry may be their next project.
There is no doubt that China would have a big and competitive car industry soon.
If Germany is pragmatic, it would face it head on and bite the bullet and do whatever it takes to forge ahead. That means some German companies will fail and some will succeed.
If they put the head into the sand …..German companies will be shielded for a decade but they will be overwhelmed after that.
China is not going away.
You can either deal with it ………or pretend it is not true.
China will continue to be an economic superpower unless their dictator decides he wants the country to invade its neighbors. Then China won't be selling anything anymore outside their own domestic market. This is the entire reason you see "de-risking" happening. If China was a democracy and the Chinese people could elect their leaders, no one in the rest of the world would have a problem.
DW published the bloopers? 😂
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies.
Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed.
The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies.
The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
Audi and VW are buying EV platform from China and you have the audacity to say the western companies are transferring tech still in 2023? 🤣🤣🤣
Germany should decide whether to bash its major customer. It’s hard to imagine to bash someone and expect them to buy cars from you, especially when they have figured out how to make cars themselves.But again, it is understandable that the policy was made under the duress of US military occupation. Germany can’t even question who blew up its energy supply line.
Beijing has been bashing it's primary trade partner (America) for literal decades, and I don't mean what you mean when you say "bash" I mean actually bash .. Somehow I doubt that disagreeing with Beijing will affect trade all that much, they'll make threats sure enough but that'll be the end of it. Trade with Germany is just as important for Beijing as it is for Berlin, and in someways it's even more important for them.
@@leavesinautumn5959China buying lots of US government bonds to balance the trade is what you called US bashing?
@@leavesinautumn5959 you're delusional if you think Germany is China's equal.
@@calvinhoward3808 You and yours are the only ones interested in playing out power fantasies at a national level. I stand by what I've said.
well said
Partner or rival? It all depends on the mood of American.
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So sad that their leader need to report to Washington
It is the single highest national security issue , when the country leader need to report to other country.
France: You are only vessel state if someone else allows to establish military bases in your territory.
@@weizhang7361 sup son
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies.
Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed.
The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies.
The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
Partner means earn money in china. Rivals means not allow chinese earn money outside china. Does it clear to understand?
Is that how your grade 2 brain interprets international policy?
Than I'm sure your grade 2 brain tells that In China when they call you a friend/partner/ally that means that they expect you to be subservient and look the other way when they do bad things.
correct
That's quite an interesting strategy of the west but let's see if china agrees to such a relationship lol
Precise
Excellent Germany has cut itself off from cheap energy and now damaging it relationship with its biggest trading partner 😂
True Germany is screwed on both sides. Geographically it isn’t in a good spot. Now they are trying to move most manufacturing back to the states at least basf but it will take awhile. If China posture for world domination stayed as the status quo then none of this would’ve happened. President Xi is to blame about all the hostilities aimed currently at China.
Germany has learned from Australia. They realized that relying on your biggest trading partner leads down a dark path.
The easy way is to stick with china. The better future is to rely on what the many think.....and the many is moving away from China.
@@casualsuede quite right and if that means loosing your access to cheep energy your industry depends on or your most lucrative customers as in China and you reduce your wealth and standard of living massively that a price I am willing to let Germany pay
Western countries have better EV technology?this guy is a laughing stock,Tesla without sourcing best batteries from Chinese companies,Tesla cars would be inferior.
agree with you
In other words “we only want Chinese money but not it’s people”
In this fantasy you've dreamed up, I suppose the Chinese people are synonymous with the communist party? 🙄Germany has no issue with the people, it's the actions of the regime in Beijing that it (sometimes) takes issue with. Arguing otherwise is disingenuous.
Than y'all don't get the money simple as that lol
To be precise we want Chinese money, people but not CCP’s brutal regime hegemony.
the real blooper is having uploaded this video with that start
lol @ this lack of editing.
The USA saved Germany from cheap gas, now it's interesting to see what's next.
what a joke，USA destroyed nordstream and pushed gas price going up in Europe which in your month saved it🌚
I just want to ask dw, you have explained so much, in reality, which businessman would take the risk of losing money to find another business to replace, is it a company designated by the United States, or a company designated by Germany? You treat us as fools and I treat you as 🤡
why against technology transfer? china also transfer their high speed train technology to indonesia. the global south also dont make a fuss about biodiversity transfer... so people in europe can enjoy fruits or just claim coffee is theirs. cmon, we live in 2023. anything that benefit the few, should be questioned.
No china doesn't need any technology from Germany the only technology china need is lithography machines which are made in Holland and Japan
More looks that Germany will lose market that will not be replaced with US. Puppy will pay the price. What when unemployment hits. New Hitke6r?
14-7-2023 Germany "China strategy" Not in the interests of German medium-sized companies.
Michael Schumann, board chairman of Germany's Federal Association for Economic Development and Foreign Trade, claimed.
The document unnecessarily damaged German-Chinese relations and unnecessarily complicates the framework conditions for the conduct of companies.
The priorities, wording choices, and recommendations for action in the document are not in the interests of German medium-sized companies that are successfully operating in China.
23:00 "everyone has different priorities." Something that was not discussed here is that the priorities of the big German automakers and the German (and EU) governments may be starting to diverge. The Western carmakers until recently had the biggest share of the Chinese auto market while doing most of their R&D in Germany, employing many top-notch engineers and spending a large part of their R&D budget in Europe. Since the pandemic, the market share of Western car companies in China has fallen precipitously, even more so in the market for electric vehicles. Part of this is because Chinese car companies, especially private startups not affiliated to the big state-owned car companies (that Western companies have mandatory joint ventures with), are much nimbler in responding to rapidly changing Chinese market preferences for software-intensive features in their cars.
The big car companies in Germany (as well as the rest of the West, Japan and Korea) feel they have no choice but to shift more product development to China, and some technology development and research will inevitably follow, if they have any hope to claw back market share and stay competitive in the world's largest auto market. But the German government (and other governments) don't want to see these national champion companies that have benefitted so much from state support sending high-end jobs to China, reducing their R&D spending in Europe from the levels seen in the past. Will these car companies be able to count on state support in the future, the sort exemplified by Merkel's yearly trips to Beijing? Will the government push back on its auto companies, pressuring them to do more of their R&D in Germany or at least Europe? I don't think this mismatch of priorities will be resolved easily, and it will make it harder to respond to future disruptions on the scale of a pandemic or a sudden war. It will be harder to respond to the rise of Chinese EV manufacture and export.
German car companies would likely try to manufacture in China not just for the China market, but to export to Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. But this would be taking away from export of cars made in Germany. High production costs in Germany (and to some extent even Central/Eastern Europe, where costs are rising to German levels) are here to stay, and while some Chinese costs are also rising (wages, but not battery supplies), it is likely that, for example, Volkswagen could build cars for Indonesia cheaper in China than in Germany. Will future German governments from any party be happy with that direction? Volkswagen has been failing miserably in developing its own software with CARIAD, will they see any alternative to depending on China for more of their automotive software, not just for China models but models for other markets developed using common platforms?
Simply, big manufacturers were only looking at near term prospects for business in China. Totally dumb, as were their governments for being naive and inactive allowing it.
About 25 years ago I worked for major French company Alstom, who for decades were maybe the world's leading makers of high speed trains, the TGV. That business and the 2 other western global leaders, including Siemens, in bidding for early train contracts to China were required to include technology transfer.
Guess what, now China is the global leader in train manufacture far surpassing the dumb westerners with even more advanced and faster trains, plus great operation and scheduling control systems.
Dumber than dumb.
Good on China for exploiting the West running to its own slaughter manufacturing wise - can't blame China then with over a billion in poverty.
tl;dr
you think the west treat china especially well than to other countries, like india, indonisia or malysia, vietnam? if not why only china could grow so fast and catch up with the west in all fields even space project and 5 G which the west does not even have? Your precious car tech could worth a lot 20 years ago or even 3 years ago, but today china goes shoulder to shoulder with the west on EV and chinese EV would take over the world very soon. But for these luxry car brands in Europe, its a different story not because their high tech but for the brand name and reputation. chinese rich would like these cars if they could reach the Tesla EV level or close.
Europe has made China a danger for neighbours
Woah what a long essay
Please, could somebody explain what happened? Ich kann nicht verstehen.
it's a raw cut. The host leaned too much into the picture, so they started over. They forgot to cut the first part out.
@@MrChillerNo1 Thank you very much！
Damn we wouldnt have cared though. Such an American thing to do.
@@j.e3651 DW is German...
@@MrChillerNo1 hmm hm i know. I didnt mean to insult.
What about over reliance on USA?
How is USA LNG working out?
Who blew up the NS pipes?
good question
Shhhh 🤫 don't ask such questions because the sheeps are asleep
No need for NS pipeline, Germany has decided to eliminate its local industry through conscious elimination cheap source of gas, and antagonise China so the Chinese consumer kills the german industry outside of Germany. This will free the German government to financialize its economy just like the US and UK. Print the euro and buy any commodity you want and no hassling middle class only cater for the 1 percent who will pay you handsomely for you services.
This journalist is excellent! I have not seen someone this solid on a mainstream media outlets after Tim Russert passed away. Salute!
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Excellent discussion.
dw news, this is german journalism at its best 😂😂😂
As much as i will agree this video is a bit funny for its blooper moment in begin of the video, DW is likely 100x better than wherever you are from. UNLESS you are from scandinavian nations. As they are on the top of the top of the world in press freedom, transparency and so on and so on. If you are from some nation in Asia, Africa or Moddle east I have news for you. You have a high change of raning in the middle or utterly rock bottom.
DW is vastly better than all of the news in all those nations
They are much better than what we have in the USA.
@@Ptolemy336VV I'm just commenting for you to reflect on the absurdity of randomly insulting large swaths of the world due to a comment from one person that may or may not be from those regions.
Kudos to the journalist for this great discussion.
Bwahahahaha thank you for including the blooper reel
Is there a strategy US Warpigs occupation in Germany? De-militarize US wapigs in Germany?
Bro your name is kind of obvious 😂
Germany was doing so well with cheap energetics from Russia and access to the biggest market in the world plus cheap factories. Why do they need to have the approval of the US and join in this economic war? C'mon Germany, take decisions by yourself.
There are a large number of US troops stationed in Germany, and the German government is not so easy to make decisions
To be a friend or enemy of China today is depending what Washington asked about particular country in regards with they diplomatic relations with China at that very moment. Not one country can decide for themselves especially the ones members of NATO if the relations with China to be on good terms. Look at USA what kind of diplomatic relations had with many countries around the world right now.
That's correct. The US is the worlds only super power and when Europe elects liberal feminine men to government who don't spend money on defense. They are like wives dependent on their man for protection. Europe needs to do as they are told, Its that simple. Start electing masculine men and you can do what you like.
Mercedes Sales in China 2022, 750.000 units (in Germany only 230.000). Bmw 790.000 units in China meanwhile in Germany 250.000 units. Absolutely China is our Best Partner. No need Expert to Analyze it.
DW the China bashing Germany MSM should ask your foreign minister, trade minister from Green Party who are China haters to go to the CEOs of BMW, MB, VW, Siemens, BASF etc to stop trading with China. It will save DW media time for other issues. 😝😇
and I'm sure many Chinese are happy to have German products available.
No chance for europe without china.
that's exactly what American want. a weak Europe or any country is a threat to American
If Germany withdaw its market in China, other countries in Europe like UK, France and US will make up their quota.
Certainly what France wants, its got solid relationship with India, and if it can take Germany market share in china, macron is gonna be de gualle the second to dominant European🎉
@@ghostface558 France and China are natural allies: very centralized/hierarchical, secular, ancient, pompous, and like to eat weird stuff everyone else says not to.
@@calvinhoward3808 certainly，and France has always been on the front line of revolution, lots of pioneers studied in France to find solution for the future of china, first and most remembered premier of PRC zhou en lai was a solid case.
Taiwan is the reason of de-risk? Taiwan will unite with mainland China if US change policy
G7 countries are following the US narrative on Taiwan. 😩😩😩
@@aa-0731 once the war starts, there wont be taiwannese, all would be Chinese.
@@aa-0731 CCP: ask Vietcong.
Pakistan and Bangladesh are indias taiwan
@@induchopra3014but Pakistan has nukes and Taiwan doesn't plus Taiwan has always been part of China and every single country that has trade relation with China has deal signed that Taiwan is part of China and believe me U.S just want to make China invade just like they did to Russia as if it will change anything other than people die and bring misery. Somehow U.S creates misery everywhere it goes
In short we want Chinese money but they can't have the same security we have.
that makes no sense
@@ApproachingPerfection that's because you can't view it from the others perspective
Why is it punishment? When you decide not to buy from people who consider you as their enemy? Why would you want to sell your goods to your enemy?
Why don't you just trade with your friends? US, UK, EU, Japan, SK, Australia, Canada, etc have enough middle class to trade with each other.
because they are cheap and settles for cheap stuff and chinese buy expensive stuff.
It’s all about costs. The bottom line is what at stake.
Better still trade with India, the most populous country that embraces the western democracy value, with quantity not quality.
Because while exploiting the human and natural resources from less developed country, they also want to occupy the moral high ground and accuse the producers for pollution and manifested "human right issues", pretending they didn't consume the final products at all.
If it could happen then they would have done plus China is already what you want India to be and it took decades so people don't want to invest decades to make another China personally I think its impossible
Great analysis ❤
Really!
No.
Dependence on trade with China triggers PTSD for European abusive upbringing when they were child and dependent.
Can you explain a bit? I found this interesting. What's with the upbringing in Europe?
The world stage has become a midgrade novel. Seriously, "frenemies"?
What is the real risk? A majority of EU’s high-tech, apps and medias are from the US. Those are not only products but can change people’s thinking, which is even more risky. Right? Actually, China is geographically quiet far away from the EU, and the so-called geopolitical risks are only chips created by certain politicians. Independent thinking is now the pivot key for EU to de-risking itself.
Talking points that favour Beijing's narratives often seem plausible, at a superficial level, but almost always fall apart with even a little examination. Beijing doesn't _do_ "independent thinking", certainly not in China and (when they can help it) not outside of China either.
@@leavesinautumn5959 Sorry, I really cannot get your point. Talking everything always means talking nothing.
@@dongdong9560 Are you always this dismissive of things you don't "get"? Then the flaw is in your thinking, not mine.
I've said what I wanted to say, it doesn't need to conform to your strictures. That's what independent thought means, you know. It means thinking independently, which is completely different from towing the party line.
@@leavesinautumn5959 You made a mistake here. Independent thinking is not equal to freedom of expression. A man without independent thinking also could say what he want to say, especially online.
@@dongdong9560 You're playing word games, here I'll walk us back from the woods and put things in very unambiguous terms.
Beijing is no friend to Europe. It should be treated as it treats the EU, with skepticism and extreme caution. Limiting it's influence over and access to Europeans, kept at arms length except where necessary. Europe should only make as many concession to Beijing as Beijing makes to Europe.
A policy centered around reciprocity, nothing could be simpler or more objectively fair. This remains true even online.
🎵🎶🎵Bye bye American Lie (Pie )LOL 😂😂😂
When I first heard of all of the world investments in China back about 1983, I had a bad bad feeling.
and now BBA laughing loudly
So…no new info.
China might be the biggest polluter now but Europe and the USA have being the biggest polluters over time, plus the main consumers of products that create pollution somewhere else (in the south)
What matters is now, not what happened 40 years ago. You can't change the past, but your can change the present that is what affects the future.
@@casualsuedelet china develop at the same level as the west then china can discuss the pullution issue
China has a pop equal to all of North America + Europe and a bit more
It is not the same
informative & balanced. hats off to interviewer & interviewee 👍
Taiwani is and remains a province of China.
Is it true Germany will fall apart without the China Market per what I've read?
Germany does not care as long as uncle Sam is happy
not fall apart don't be dense it just doesnt mean as much growth. At the same time Chinese also get no German products, trade is a two way partnership buddy
@@icecube3645 lol Germany does not care more about its relationship with the US more than its financial growth nor does the US think there is something wrong with German Chinese trade. its like some of you in these comments do not know how the world works
Germany has a very 'independent' policy.
If you NEED them, they own you!
Very accurate assessment between Germany and the US.
So, your families, friends and partners won you for how many years?
Anyone doing business will get ripped off for sure 😅
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Partner.
raw 😂
wait i've seen this before
i was so confused for a moment. But brought good laughter and relief well needed. 🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
💩 happens. Have a good one team DW.
i've expected them to stop again 😂 like the repeating day in groundhog day 🤣
Interviewed talked about Xinjiang and human rights . Why dun germany go help Myanmar ?
Need permission for its master the US.
Germany cant decide it for herself. It is USA that dictates the foreign policy of Eu country most of the time.
the discussion hid still want to hide the fact of xinjiang bluff
The future is Asia.
Good morning 100
China growth q2 was healthy 5.5% which was a fantastic number far better of than most countries like usa, japan, korea etc.
Lots of commenters here are realizing they don't like a taste of their own medicine 😈🤣
This is what you call a “free” world?!
You are threatened to choose a side ?!
If it’s free you can choose “both” sides
As photoshop sells its products on both MS and Apple ?
China as Frienemy
Ha ha ha ha ha. Even my brother is my rival as well as my partner.
Lol
Sure you can trade with China. But you should always help your friends more than your enemies, or you will eventually only have enemies because the incentive is to be your enemy and benefit. This is why China won't listen, because you treat them better than your friend called Taiwan.
Biz is more important than friends
@@mabo9636yeah and now that business partner wants to take over that's what you get when you deal with child killing dictators. But then again historically ignoring human rights is a German thing to do.
Taiwan is as free as any nation and it's biggest trading partner is mainland China, until calculating politicians use the two China issue to win election 8 years ago. The DPP parties won by demonizing China and the opposition KMT party, saying they are in cohort to reunify into a communist Taiwan. US is using this opportunity to stir up a war, may be through murdering a few KMT members to force China to invade. Then NATO will have no choice to sanction their important trading partner China, resulting a weaken world except the American.
China has never been Germany's friend and Germany is beginning to realize that since Xi came into power in 2013. Xi doesn't want to be the partner to the world, they want to be the leader to the world.
The Partner to the world concept died with Hu Jintao.
why Germany consider Chinese rebels as friend?
A lot of very good information thanks DW
clutching at straws for metaphors ..
When you treat someone as your competitor mean you have the same equal mindset. If you treat someone as partner, hence there is no need to compete, compare and jealous...
The only reason for this "Dependance" on Red China is that its cheap. Which makes sense when people get enslaved or Work 9/9/6 for a Bowl of rice. We even subsidise them, e.g. free shipping because its rated as an "developing country".. which is ridiculous given that they flew to space, have nukes etc.
China is not cheap, India is much cheaper than China, Indian workers' wages are only 20% of China's, Germany should go to India to set up factories
Also, Africa is much cheaper than India, Germany should go to Africa to set up factories
@@jerrytom5841 its not the same though u don't undertand. those places aren't as developed which is so critical for reliable manufacturing. Africa is rife with corruption and war amongst a bunch of other things
这位大叔的类比太有天赋了，他应该是本新闻界耽误了的现代尼采。
中国既然可以学会西方的涡轮技术，那肯定会学会西方的电动汽车技术😂。没错👍，请问你们的电动汽车跟哪里猫着呢？
China needs Westen countries and western countries need China too. That is. Therefor no decoupling… better live with each other’s… don’t you think so?
Like Putin said:the Western Europe sold themselves to the Chinese long time ago all by themselves! Now they want to act like they ever have balls!🤣🤣🤣
I can't see the west,only lion Scar with a bunch of hyenas
there's no such thing of the West.only American and it's occupied puppies. these puppies will fight back when the time comes
Let address the current context:
- Conflict with Russia
- The rise of India
- Peak of China but also the downfall due to demographic collapse
It is a good strategy since China is dying itself lol
@@FC-vp9ej Cry more.
Schizo as usual I see😅
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many of westerners apt to enjoy daily life relaying on some excellent anecdotes.
I dreamed after I went crazy in 1988. That from inside the Catholic church of São Miguel would come a bunch of pigs running down the stairs and behind them a bunch of baianas with big skirts circling around.
😂 I'm used to FJB as the gaffe master.
India will be richer to buy Mercedes, and BMW, replacing China.
How are they paying for those cars? Poops?
@@cfwin1776cow dung and cow urine.
@@cfwin1776 india has a lot of promise more than china at least. They literally have opposite situations. China has a very old population that's decreasing quickly btw, India has a very high young population the highest in the world, Chinese labor is also getting more expensive and riskier with threat of war. Moving to India is a no brainer only if India can successfully utilise its large population
Honeymoon over
West runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds. India will never allowvthe the west to use it as It did Ukraine. Zelensky should have seen through this.
chiina is a real owner of eu 😂😂
Blue Dutch shirt lol