Why the E-vehicles market is central to Germany-China rivalry | DW Business Special
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Competition between Western carmakers and their Chinese rivals is on full display at the German auto trade fair IAA in Munich. Chinese auto firms are accelerating in this global race. Technology and innovation consultant Peter Fintl from Capgemini breaks down this intense rivalry.
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No matter how many similarities there are between Japan and China, one difference stands up like a sore thumb: Japan wilted under the US hegemony.
oh really, care to explain?
Yeah. China is a big inspiration to the developing world because unlike Japan they refuse to become a puppet or succumb to pressure from western countries.
@@neothaka Seriously. You need an explanation?
Sorry. I, nor anyone, can wake up someone who pretends to sleep.
Are you sure? Japan is a free Country. And it’s industry was for a longtime very successful on the US market. I do not see any hegemony…
@@markuscasper9498 "Free" is such a cliche thrown around whenever any country refuse to become a vassal of the west or accept their cultural imperialism. The funny thing is that those that think they live a "free" country are the ones that complain everytime, have very low happiness index than Chinese people which are said to be supposedly "oppressed" 🤣
He makes it seem like Chinese manufacturers are catching up in the first part, while it are in fact the German manufacturers that are behind
I checked . true
German executives held the entire industry and Germany itself back for over a decade.
Its the arrogance of europeans..they think they at creators of everything,but go round and steal everything
@@luyaowang7811
Of Jun 2
Too right. They live in a cave. They don’t even know what’s been happening in China.😂 There’s just no competition, not Tesla not the German makers. That’s why VW EV moved and setup their design team to China.
Seems China really shocked german during IAA. Never seen dw has to have 3 reports day by day talking about chinese EVs....
Let me tell the truth. Soon German electric cars will not even have a chance to compete with China. Batteries, energy, and patents are sad.
German car is specialist in combustion engine... Let China do their EV .
but I bought a BMW anyway, why? For nostalgia😂
@@balckston Combustion vehicle will soon be history. EV, is cheaper and environmental friendlier.
@@huggybear441
No it won't be so soon... Can last for another 50 years. Current EV 🔋 need a big lap in technology revolution.
Here in Brazil, Volswagen is only talking about electric cars for the next two decades without any practical action, while Chinese brands such as BYD and GWM are starting to take over the market.
Let me tell the truth. Soon German electric cars will not even have a chance to compete with China. Batteries, energy, and patents are sad.
BUT SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
@@indiasuperclean6969got the point super irony 🤣
there 2 big problems germany does not have enough engineers to parallel the ev production withe the classic combustion second it`s behind battery tech compared with china or usa but the part with the design is an astute absurdity germany is probably number 2 or 3 in the world in the field of power electronics
@@raygao1409 He is not Indian, he is a troll from China or Pakistan or some country that has beef with India.
DW you can use one common title for all coverage about China: Germany and the EU should be worried about anything China does and doesn't do, period.
当他们竞争不过时，他们对中国就会产生仇恨。这其实是可以理解的，因为中国的产业升级确实会对所有发达国家的产业造成威胁。发达国家粉碎机的称号不是浪得虚名。
That's about it.
Exactly, and this bald yapper is absolutely clueless about the real and relevant important issues… and a silly chynese cheerleader…
😂
Doublethink
Although the Germans may not be happy---the Chinese cars participating in this exhibition are all models that have been on sale in the Chinese market for a year or more.The Chinese do not think it is necessary to bring more advanced and technologically advanced models to the exhibition.
In fact,the intensity of competition in China's domestic auto market far exceeds that in Europe.The challenges that Chinese automakers encounter in the European market are basically from racial and political issues,and almost none from technology.
Who would think that Germany would be worry about competition from Chinese automakers in Europe! Completely unthinkable 10 years ago.
How is this.unthinkable ？ It's destined
@@chengyanslc You honestly thought 10 years ago that German Auto makers would be worry about Chinese competition in Europe?
@@bobcharles7716German carmakers didn't even take Tesla seriously 10 years ago, let alone Chinese car makers.
@@xet869that is very very true. They thought Telsa was a joke. I was one of the people who thought that too.
I must confess
Not only German, but also we Chinese wouldn’t expect that. It’s like just one night that everyone here in China started to buy Chinese car. You know Chinese ppl used to dislike Chinese cars and worship German cars. It’s like carved deep into the bone thing. But just in a short span of time everything has changed. Unbelievable
First they complained about how chinese companies worked with volkswagen for their technology. Now years later they complain about how volkswagen works with chinese company for their technology. Bunch of clowns
Rise munchers stole alot of manufacturing tech from the west. Maybe it's time to treat the pingpong IPO the same way.
In China, last year's EV model is already ancient history. That's how fast the industry is growing and changing in China, it's mind boggling.
without cheap energy, German industries are doomed
Volkswagen ID3 sells for 16,000 euros in China and 37,000 euros in Europe
Is it a problem with the Chinese government?
Is it a Volkswagen problem?
Is it a problem with the German government or the EU?
Not only in EV, China is also successful in the tunnel boring machines which they take up 70% of the world market. Germany used to dominate in this market, but the Chinese entry has lowered the price tag which the west can hardly complete. In the fields of construction machinery China repeats the success story, Liebherr lacks behind China's XCMG and Putzmeister was absorbed by Sany
XCMG is from my hometown
also cranes for ship building and containers....
I guess probably cus China is now building roads, tunnels etc. on an faster lvl than Europe did especially after WW2. Germany needed all thous brands like MAN and Putzmeister to rebuild its country, first after WW2 then after 1990 when Eastern Germany joined. I mean now in Europe is quite common to see Korean made heavy trucks and construction cars.
German TBM companies leaked of technical services if a machine broke down only German company technicians would allow to inspect and fix. There was an incident happened in China 2007 a TBM broke down and under the contract Chinese engineers were forbidden to look and touch the machine which the project had delayed a few weeks and the service charges were huge too ! Two boys' fights from Germany + $ 1000 usd /day each + 5 star hotel and meals and only work 9 to 5 + no weekends. So,the Chinese government was pissed.....now you know the rest of the story. New Chinese TBM have 7/24 5g online service to its Head Quarter Engineering Dept monitoring each operating machine data.
heard story about this, the germans sold tunnel boring with exorbitant price to the Chinese, then when it need services, the germans against charge exorbitant price, and when not long after the services, the tunnel boring broke down again, the germans didn't want to take responsibility, so the Chinese simply made its own tunnel boring
But world's largest battery maker is in China..... Tesla also use China-made battery .....how ?
By having a gigafactory in China
Simple , use solar panels for car, revolution
@@mengreat6982just no
Since Dec 2022, CATL has already started battery production in Germany. It is building another factory in Hungary.
Volkswagen owns 25% of Gotion High Tech, a Chinese EV battery manufacturer. GHT has announced it has acquired a 25% stake in a Slovak EV battery start-up. This start-up will manufacture EV battery for the European market.
@@mengreat6982the top 10 solar panels manufacturers are all from China😂
Why can’t DW see EV as an opportunity of collaboration rather than life and death rivalry?
because DW stand with US not Germany
德国大众已经取得中国小鹏汽车的一部分股份，并合资建厂
I bought VW ID4 last year but felt a bit regretful because NIO SUV is more expensive than ID4, otherwise we would rater to take NIO instead of ID4. Pls don't feel hurt. My last car is Honda Vezel. And maybe my next car will be a Chinese brand which I'm pretty sure. Changes are quite huge and faster here in China than you can image. Hold it tight, ladies and gentlemen.
What matters is what works over many years - look at Chinese military weapons that do not work - their EV will not work after the warranty period!!! Wake up.
@@atlaspath5803哈哈哈哈😂
还在睡觉💤？
@@atlaspath5803That's why my brother is burning modern German tanks with his brigade. For each fascist tank, the state pays a bonus to the soldiers. I could show you hundreds of photos and videos, but RUclips really doesn’t like footage of burning Ukrainians in fascist tanks, the videos are deleted very quickly by RUclips moderators, and to be precise in the wording, by the moderators of Uncle Sam, your master. You’re not even an independent country, but a satellite of the will of the United States 😊😊
With gone of cheap energy from Russia to Europe, i don't see how Europe especially Germany could compete with China, when China can now access as much as possible cheap Russian gas and oil.
Europe did this to them selves folks.. 😔
可以说德国的经济严重依赖俄罗斯的廉价能源和中国的市场，这就是经济原理无关政治。但是德国人面对北溪被轰炸，却能保持沉默，简直不可思议。德国已经从独立骄傲的国家变成了美国的殖民地。
Just your typical anti-China story from DW. Carry on.
More and more affordable cars in the market, which is a good news for all consumers.
China have talents in ALL sectors not just in space exploration and moon landing ( like India which is more focussed in prestige)
India is also having all sector but they went to USA and Europe for their opportunity. USA and Europe only doing that tech things becoz of Indian. China is now developed and having opportunities in their country itself. India is developing and it takes around 10 to 15 years to be like China.
@@irose4066 Yes and climbing to the head. They want to influence them from within, that's why!
@@irose4066india will never be like china 15-20 years. Our politics still in the barriers of religion, hate etc. Only cronies are developing here. Govt data gives us the idea, still 800 million people are still dependent on government's free rationing scheme. Internet was doing better in some last years but it doesn't mean that prosperity comes with it.
India will become the next China. And when it does, the West will use the same tools to bludgeon it.
What is missing from this whole debate is that none of the car manufacturers were able to make a car with profits except BYD and Tesla.
li auto google it :)
And they do ?
if you google you would know :)@@rodmarker2071
@@rodmarker2071, in brief, yes. BYD has started to barely make profits. Tesla is selling those cars for one of the highest margins in the entire car industry. It has to do with manufacturing numbers and techniques.
Everyone else is currently making a loss.
@@ThalanorThornhale BYD has whole airport landing strip size carparks of cars produced but not sold. And that makes a profit ??? The batteries explode .
I would even travel as passenger in a chinese car.
LOL... the "reporter" was trying so hard to ask leading questions and control the narrative, but Peter didn't take the bait. Bravo Peter for the level-headed responses!
- Lets get all the countries of Europe together to create a manufacturing powerhouse called the EU. The richer countries can provide Tech and Cash while the poorer countries provide Manpower.
- Brilliant idea
- And then we will outsource everything to China
- Wait... WHAT?!
🤣🤣🤣
That’s the plan all right.
BECAUSE YOU ARE LAZY AND WASTE OF OXYGEN
China has Market/low price labour force /better policy😂 bro
Bro is this possible without Russian energy?
This news report is just dripping with the anxiety of lost dominance that basically summarizes the Western view of China. We have been dominant technologically for the past several hundred years. Now that is changing and this is unacceptable!"
Now the tables will be turning in other respects also. As German/European exports die out, I expect Europe will start demanding localized production in Europe from the Chinese manufacturers or else they will face tariffs. Just like China has been doing for many years and still does. Maybe they should even demand partnerships with European companies and forced transfer of technology. Pay back time
@@curioussand1339 yeah, China set the precedent of this. It is an option for China to sell in Europe
Be happy to see competition so that users have a variety of choices and are not bothered by high prices. But everyone also knows that if its products are not possible to compete with competitors, given a national security excuse, product share can be increased.😊
It wouldn't be long before cars are classified under national security items in North America and Europe...😂
@@Libochseeing how insecure America is I wouldn't be so sure 😂😂
Can’t wait to see how no country on the planet will be able to handle the energy requirements of electric vehicles in the next few years, while their electric grids burn to the ground in the process… 😂
@@MikeOxlong- 75% of all cars in Norway are EVs. I am not sure about China, but read news report that 35% of their new are are EVs. Looks like they are doing fine, so far...
Compete all you want. If the CCP is on your side, you'll win.
If you're serious, buy a plane ticket to China, with over 50% tram coverage in first-tier cities, and a lot of brands to choose from between $30,000 and $50,000 that sell very well. Tesla and BYD are starting to turn a profit after a long period of losses. Quality is another topic, go look at sales of electric buses and electric cabs. Germany has the best fuel cars, but the world change accelerated after Germany lost its pipeline. Germany has lost cheap energy, and to give up the partnership is to give up decades of lucrative markets. German and Chinese car companies have different strengths and it is still not too late to cooperate.
In China, very few people buy German electric vehicles. This is a fact, because the entire electric vehicle industry in the West is far behind China. China's electric vehicle technology is currently the world's number one, and it is also the world's largest single market. Germany, in addition to fuel vehicles There is no advantage in China. With the development of science and technology, it will be a matter of time before fuel vehicles are eliminated.
The CCP makes it hard for foreign brands to sell to the Chinese market. That's why. Chinese EVs are not known for their quality, quite the opposite.
@@aceyageyou are totally brainwashed by the media you consumed，be awakened！
@@aceyageChina is the single largest most profitable market for most legacy automakers.
@@aceyage wrong. the software tech in chinese EV is far more advance than gemany's. If you ever compare them, you'll know
@@aceyage All electric vehicles in China are currently in the stage of competition for high-end electric vehicles, while Germany has just started. Except for fuel vehicles, German brands are not favored. What the West is best at is describing good things as bad, so there are many fools in the West. Intellectual ability is too low.
China and Germany are not boxing in the same category. China is in the heavyweight, Germany is in the featherweight.
China has saved many countries from backwardness especially Africa.Ten years ago we used local buses and in our villages only government employees owned motorcycles due to high cost bt after entry of Chinese brands almost every house has a motorcycle that saves time in our daily activities ,nowdays we have luxary buses in villages .Kudos to china
love you bro from India... Global South Unite ❤
Fintl handled some tough questions with great finesse. Germany used to be a leader intechnology now VW is partnering with XPENG where XPENG supplies the technology. The reply was we have realize that China is no longer a copy cat, just as Japan stopped being a copy cat in terms of technology. We should welcome a win-win collaboration. The americans feel very uncomfortable, when/if they are not the conquerers and the winners while those they conquered are destroyed. The win-lose option is the only one they know exists. Win-win is foreign to the rulers of the global empire. Rome wins Gaul loses, Rome wins Carthage loses. Fintl is the opposite of Annalena Baerbock and Haback.
Why does this have to be Germany against the US? You act as if we have favourable trade terms with the EU.
Its compulsory for non-chinese car companies to enter into a partnership with a chinese car company in order to do business in china.
@@matthewbaynham6286 这是过时的信息，参考tesla
@@matthewbaynham6286 Tesla didn't.......bang!!
Well, China stole tech from Tesla
German expertise is in internal combustion and associated drive train. They have been left far behind the EV race.
Even worse Germany lacks the minerals and the energy to make competitively priced EVs. It has no gas or oil, it has no lithium, copper or nickel.
What a weird title. When German's car flooded Chinese market, they didn't put up such title.
Tesla started building its Shanghai factory in Jan 2019 and started the assembly lines in Dec. 2019. One million EV's
were built between Dec. 2019 to Aug. 2022 . And another one million were built From Sept. 2022 up to early Sept. 2023 .
Most of the German Car companies are working together with their China partners at present in this race .
BASF Germany energy cost is at least 4-5 times higher than BASF China ! Europe has to find a way to De-risk
from the US, in order to stay competitive .
>> BASF Germany energy cost is at least 4-5 times higher than BASF China ! Europe has to find a way to De-risk
Competition is good. Foreign competition forces the local ones to innovate, reduce costs in order to be competitive or be out of business. All these benefit the consumers who can do with better quality and more affordable reasonably -priced products. I really don't care much about protecting the domestic market (that's for inefficient companies and govt to worry) if such competition means I get to enjoy lower prices and more options! Also EV cars and even driverless transportation like buses have been in China for quite some years. I was in China some years ago and was amazed by how fast they have leapfrogged in certain areas. It's not that China is catching up in EV, just that German is getting complacent and lagging behind without the foreign competition from overseas ... until now.
>> I really don't care much about protecting the domestic market > I get to enjoy lower prices and more options!
I hope that German manufacturers wake up an stop making UFOs and start making practical, nice interior EVs. And stop trying to copy Tesla.
VW Fans don’t want a Tesla with a VW Logo, they want a 100% electric polo, golf, passat.
Golf has already started selling electric versions in the Chinese market, and there is no longer a fuel version available.
Electric car should not be expensive, because of simplicity of it ! Battery + Electric motor + computer - thats it
China is crushing it in terms of quality and price. The Era of expensive and over-priced german engineering will die out if they don't compete on price.
China used to buy German TBMs. . . too expensive. . The Germans don't cut prices at all. .
Eventually we plan to build our own. . The Germans said when they found out. "I give you the blueprint. You can't make it either." .
result. . We made it.
The same is true in the automotive field.
From what I hear on the other channel the Swiss Bank has made a detailed analysis of BYD's Dolphin model by taking apart piece by piece and comes up with the conclusion to build the same model car in exact specification, it costs 35 % extra so what does that tell you as they need to make an investment decision for their clients.
This is no surprise to me, German auto makers drag their feet as long as possible to halt & delay this process & now they have to pay the price
Chinese will not only replace the German brands in Russia 🇷🇺 but very soon also in Germany 🇩🇪 and Germany can’t stop it 😢
Thanks for providing a fair discussion regarding the progress of EV vehicles globally. I like how the emphasis isn't necessarily the battle but more of a cooperation that can help more people in the world adopt more environmentally friendly vehicles. Thanks for the report!
German cars over chinese cars every day in the week...
Sure at the Top End. But China is steeling the mass market like Ford did once
A friend of mine will only ever buy German cars, so she bought a Smart car and she loved it, she didn't talk to me much after I pointed out that it was made in France and repeatedly asked her how her French car was doing every time I saw her.
Sure, you just pay much more. LOL.
@@matthewbaynham6286Designed and engineered in Germany. Where it is made is irrelevant.
So germany didn't see tesla as rivals who has much bigger markets in germany compared to chinese ev's? 😂
The Tesla is from the U.S. The German government is controlled by the US partly. The CIA intercepts all high rank of German politicians and know their secretes.
After what the EU has done to Australia for generations with its punitive trade embargoes, we are cheering on the assault of the Chinese EV makers who are using Australian materials to takeover European exports. What goes around comes around, and Europe is in for a world of pain this time.
German products are favored in China among the rich, Chinese products are popular in the west among the grassroots.
Great.
20 years of German cooperation with Russia and China got us where we are now - more of the same is definitely what you do not want to hear for the future.
ANY decent EV IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I SEE A WORLD WHERE THE RICH OWN ELECTRIC CARS WHILE PEOPLE WALK OR RIDE BIKES.
There are only 22 parts in a EV car. And a EV car is nothing but a battery with four wheel and a computer. So it is not that hard to get into the business, as long as you can secure the Chinese batteries which is the REAL DEAL. And Chinese car batteries are superiors. Even Tesla is using Chinese car batteries.
If you have a chance to see the Chinese made EV cars, their quality and price ratio is OFF THE ROOF. Chinese EV car makers are so competitive among themselves that they practically load all luxury features they could think of into the EV cars.
What matters is what works over many years - look at Chinese military weapons that do not work - their EV will not work after the warranty period!!! Wake up.
wake up youself! you are talking something only coming from ur baised mind without any solid proof.
Most of the focus if on manufacturers. Missing here is the efficiency or initiatives by policymaker and government of the country to enhance or support the ecosystem needed for EV application. It is not necessarily stopping ICE and call everyone jump into EV. They need time but China did it faster and started way earlier.
It was almost ten years ago, I was lucky to have a chance to join an event hosted by the Audi executives in Barcelona. I test drove their self driving prototype electric A7and it was amazing. They also gave us a lecture about their visions of the EVs, very impressive. But as we all know, none of those happened. 😂The times have approved that German corps are not as innovative as they advertised.
In ASEAN, Chinese EVs are taking over the car manufacturing. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, are making Chinese cars locally this year. And Thailand is rumoured to be talking with Geely, BYD, etc., too.
ps. Hungary is building the largest battery plant in Europe soon, with CATL.
LG already has the largest battery plant in the EU in Poland. Yes, it's larger than CATL's.
ICE cars going obsolete which many countries are phasing out. New trends are EV cars. Buyers prefer affordable, quality EV over branded ones.
Let me tell the truth. Soon German electric cars will not even have a chance to compete with China. Batteries, energy, and patents are sad.
German car makers only concentrated in high end market.
For commoners like me, there is no chance to even smell german cars in my lifetime.
I am driving japanese cars since birth and now its inevitable that my next upgrade will be chinese made ICE car or EV
you haven't lost much
I am sorry my German brothers and sisters but looks like game is over for German cars though I love having one.
Why so pessimistic? Isn’t this what motivates German car companies? If we collectively surrendered when Tesla landed in China, there would be no BYD.
No German Carmakers are well ready for EV markets. They will lose their positions in the car industry.
Its just a matter of time before China is leader in every sector terms of sales.
Its just the nature of Capitalism, people crave cheap quality stuff, and China has half a century of expertise in just that.
China has played the long game... inviting high tech western companies into China with the lure of cheap labour.... thereby allowing lower production costs and higher profits. All the while, China was learning (and stealing) technology and creating parallel companies to replicate the same products. China has also been strategic in securing supplies of the raw materials needed for these industries. Now China has the skills and materials needed to meet - if not exceed the western companies.
The mantra of Capitalism has shot itself in the foot.
@@bunyip7343don't be afraid. Since now the Chinese car manufacturers are ahead in technology, we can invite them to Europe and steal their technology. Payback time. 😂
copycat
And some said government planning is inefficient and does not work.
@@LibochWest don't good at stealing, not everyone could master it to such degree of perfection easily
The Chinese are way ahead in EV.
And they've got the RnD and manufacturing base.
2025 is still early, electric cars are just starting to show their growing pains
Hardly doubt people will cross-shop a German brand and a Chinese brand, more likely German cars on a Chinese platform. Remember in the 90's reading "Only Turks buy Japanese car in Germany" replace Japanese for Chinese and will have a more accurate picture.
Lol typical Germans being typically racist. You guys never change.
Personally, I don't care. I refuse to buy a chinese car and give money to their government.
The German auto industry can do all the same things as the Chinese auto industry, nothing is stopping them, but unfortunately the German auto industry is still mostly focused on squeezing the ICE a bit longer even though the writing is on the wall to change directions. But don’t underestimate the German auto industry!
Maybe too late. What about batteries & related raw resources such as lithium? Both are already dominated by China. Software is also German's weakness.
German cars are overated now, too expensive, less 10 years they are done
I would never buy a car manufactured in China. Chinese products are substandard. We know this well in America. Because we get millions of parts from China that are defective. I work in a factory and we all know when it says made in China it will be of substandard quality.
There are so many Western products manufactured in China and they are not substandard. Pianos, appliances, and also expensive cars now like the Lotus SUV and sedan coming out, Polestar cars, the Volvo S90, and the quality is not substandard and in fact is excellent. Yes, there are some cheapo substandard Chinese products but they can make substandard to state of the art products.
Germany don't like competition? It's ok when they were in the lead. But nothing stays the same.
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Yes Super rich🎉🎉🎉
where is fair competition,where is open market
German car makers are not behind in tech, but rather in cost, Chinese EV makers targeted squarely at the young consumers who like hip gadgets and cannot afford a Mercedes anyway from day 1.
with most of the world going through belt tightening, affordability and hip gadgets are going to beat premium quality.
They are behind in tech, europe does not have an electronics/software industry like China, so they are behind in autonomous driving. battery tech, electric motors. even the construction of the frame is behind. premium Chinese cars are all aluminum.
It's this type of arrogance that hurts Gertzi
Why are the Chinese focused on the Euro car market? A) It's a large and affluent market. B) Asian expansion is already underway C) Big US tariffs on Chinese products, and few are willing to lose as much money as Geely is to access the US market. This will result in BYD and others building factories in Mexico. It will take time though.
Too much crying from Germany. If you want to stay competitive, you have to improve yourself, work harder and develop better products than Chinese. This is how capitalism and free market works.
>> This is how capitalism and free market works.
@@tooltalkChina doesn't believe in that because Schultz from Munich says so.
they deserved outcome similar to speed train story. Most of Euro countries is sunset without new idea compare old day Nokia, Alcatel, Airbus, ERC, Seimen etc.
Commercial jet engines is the last castle from the West 😮
China had test the jet engines
Thanks for reporting
The Chinese manufacturers stole the EV IP from US, and that’s why US can’t build the EV battery now. Incredible India!
The Chinese copy and steal everything.@JackSmith-uy9cf
I made a promise, my next car will be an electric one, I won't buy another gasoline car, the current one will be next to my old typewriter.
I believe in German products. You talking about it is encouraging German companies to work harder. 🇺🇸 🇺🇦
It's all talk, talk, talk in German industry - oh, and fear from a competitor making far better products. It is quite clear that all the German car manufacturers have buried their collective reputationallly based heads in the sand. It is high time to sweep out all the failed "leaders" of the German car industry and take a cold hard look at the mess before any more damage is done.
The German auto industry can do all the same things as the Chinese auto industry, nothing is stopping them, but unfortunately the German auto industry is still mostly focused on squeezing the ICE a bit longer even though the writing is on the wall.
Nokia and Kodak could have done that too.
Lol Germany dont even have natural resources and now even dont have russian cheap gas, theyre doomed, Finished! 😂😅😂😅😂😅
VW, MB, Audi, BMW, Porsche… are very popular Chinese market for years, there is no direct competitor from China. The number of Chinese export is nothing comparing to Japanese and Korean brands, also I just watched another DW video announcing EVs era is ending. EU wants affordable EV and complain Chinese EV price is too low.
Chinese car maker have prospered from VW sharing its expertise. I hope VW will prosper in turn with XP sharing
The EU must prevent Chinese cars coming in. Tariffs are essential. And also the EU must prevent the UK exporting cars with significant Chinese content....even if superficially coming in cars with Opel, VW or BMW badges.
Absolutely. The EU Commission is already working on it.
China will ban the supply of rare metals to the EU. the price of a German electric car will not be competitive on the world market
Good. more competition. It’s about time the EU vehicle manufacturers get some real competition. Saying this a while: for too long they sell very expensive vehicles, but they are basically shells without exorbitant options. Any car costing 50k or more should have ventilated seats and HUD as standard.
I’m currently in Shanghai and I was literally taken by surprise in the locally manufactured EVs. Eg Voyah, NIO, Avatar, byd etc.
Where is the PHEV in Germany?? It is great competitors to EV !!
Rivalry, threat... This channel is pure sinophobia.
Isn't funny that Tesla is not a threat or a rival in the videos from this channel?
Tesla is on a different level. You think Tesla is your competitor when you can't even beat China...
The CCP floods its own people. What will they do to you?
10:08 The despair of the lady stating that "young people deciding to buy a new car" in urge to save the industry 🙄
German car makers are practical business people. It's not like they love Chinese car companies or the Chinese tech but to propel their own business to grow and survive the current downturn. Keep your friends close your enemy closer. Who knows, maybe someday it's your enemy that will save you for going under.
Buy a Chinese EV at your own risk. It can blow up like fireworks.
given the climatechange with the weather catastrophes i would like to have a car that is fireproof and can swim.
If you can afford to, why not. There are apocalyptic geared vehicles😅. Not everyone will afford to survive.
Buy a yacht..... but be careful not to park in hurricane/cyclone/monsoon prone areas.... hmmmm there was a barely good movie about this. Waterworld (not Kevin's best effort).
防火还做不到，但BYD真的有可以游泳的车
Tesla: Then, where is my seat?
Chinese party has cheap energy supply from Russia and low wages that fact brings very competitive prices to the final costumer so that competition is a big motivation to bring a new friendly energy over traditional way to manufacture is a big challenge but europe could overcome and rescue their star product if they not only researh and give the research results to manufacture in china because that is vicious circle and chinese industry will keep strong
Because of technological advancement.
7:10 funny thing in that graph is, both the Chinese and German EV exports to a large extents are the locally manufactured Teslas...
It’s fair and normal that Germany fall behind Americans
Yes its in case of Germany, but not in case of China.
Not for China.
Question - where is all the lithium gonna come from for all these cars for the next 50 or so years?
We will transition away from lithium batteries. Also, there's actually more than enough lithium available. It just varies in how easily accessible it is.
@@harmless6813 if there was more than enough class 1 A lithium available Tesla would not be requesting anyone that has it to contact them and they will setup a contract to buy it
@@harmless6813to cobalt or magnemese or something * I can't recall ???
What's long term solution??
@@mkodyChallengesYOu If I knew I'd be rich. There are several new technologies that are being worked on. We will see which one will win.
Just search for "new battery technology" for some candidates.
The South American Lithium Triangle is the popular source at the moment. The water exploitation during the long refining process is dramatic.
I trust German and Japanese more than Chinese.
Fyi even toyota and vw use byd battery
It's okay.......Please remember don't buy Chinese-made products....Let China-made collapse....
I am afraid your mouth talks this but do differently always looks for China-made products.....
If u r star useing Chinese car then u can understand what is the difference between that.
but can everyone afford them?
I trust russian gas more than american gas
GERMANS AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY SHOULD MOVE TO INDIA LIKE TESLA AND TAKE UP COMPETITION WITH CHINA. OTHERWISE THE GERMAN CAR INDUSTRY RISKS BEING NO MORE.
Face reality, China has caught everyone asleep with respect to EVs , they are def ahead and have the battery tech and supplies. Give them a few years and they will even improve their products even more. It’s going to be a losing battle - they have govt support , plenty of land , the talent ( engineers etc ) , the supply chains , the battery tech , and the money.
The Three Body has told the truth, weakness is not an obstacle to survival, while arrogance is.
Let us wait to see in next couple months if "National Security" issue is rising in germany parliament. If any new restriction applied on China-EV in EU-Market, as reliatation, would the VW sale in China be restricted ? So basically, be careful with VW-Stock for long term investment.
from what I see in the ev industry, the Chinese have the Germans outgunned. They're vehicles are both better and cheaper. German manufacturers are only surviving thanks to legacy purchasers who value the brand for it's past quality. The upcoming generation don't see German vehicles with the veneration that it once had
German manufacturers (3 top positions ) are battling TESLA for the 1st spot..... what kind of reporting is this??
德国如果在电动车领域跟中国合作，完全可以做到双赢，毕竟双方都有彼此所需要的东西和技术，但是如果是听从美国出于意识形态的目的坚持跟中国脱钩的话，我很难看到德国这个国家的未来，德国最终只能沦为美国的工具
德国是没有能力反抗美国的控制的 整个欧盟都没有任何希望 欧盟的GDP已经比美国低50%了. 除了中国 世界上没有人能抵抗美国的控制。乌克兰在美国的支持下炸掉了北溪二号 德国没有提出任何异议 毫无保留的接受了 这不是独立主权国家的表现.
双赢就是中国赢两次
Germany is USA's puppet.
@@user-bp4rp8gt5b 你的小学语文是体育老师教的吗？
@@yushi6065他是昂撒媒体教的
Tesla is still number 1
Tesla is still the biggest E-Vehicle in the world,
they are no difference from Tesla.
Thanks to Elon musk and Tesla to motivate other competitors to the Market after 5 years.
😂😂joke
Yes, agree, EU should launch an investigation to the US EV maker, if they dare to.