Jas-39 GRIPEN Vs Su-30SM Flanker-H DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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You're getting close, now it's time for Battle of the Canards: a dogfight free-for-all featuring (at a minimum) the JAS39 Gripen, SU30SM Flanker-H, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Dassault Rafale. We have the technology!
Su 35 vs su 30?
Your missiles performed way better than his…Those were not neutral merges by geometry, furthermore sometimes he was turning away from you after a plus-altitude-merge which is a strange tactic…
I like the basic bvr fights. 1v1 standard missles.
We call it the clinch in boxing.
So because you done Gripen vs SU-30SM and Dassault Rafale vs SU-30SM time for the Eurofighter vs SU-30SM dogfight!
No delta wing goes unpunished! :^)
this
And take the MKI version of Su 30 that got better israili missiles in it
@@antonydecosta6262 MKI hasn't even gotten those missiles yet. They are on the MK2.
I don't know but I have seen videos of it firing MICA python and MBDA ASRAAM ccm
It’s kinda crazy just the size difference, with how massive that flanker is, yet it can still turn so well
So true
@@commandergeokam2868 That's kinda the reason for such maneuverability. Those wings cover so much area, and it did very well against the f22. I think it was a tie.
That's how it compensates its size with the twin engines and cross-vectoring capabilities!
But once it is slow, it’s a tanker
@@user-kd2ij7te5v yeah, I’ve noticed that with the su-30, it can point its nose wherever it wants, but basically falls out of the sky, unlike the raptor, or felon
That sickening wet sound when you ejected inverted... What a way to go.
Squishy
Splash pilot.
splat
reminds me of a video of an ukrainian SU-25 pilot ejecting on the ground
There was a Draken pilot who ejected straight into mossy wet ground.
I think they just left him there.
Can barely get vehicles to such an area.
Back in the 60's.
That beautiful paintjob from the 100th anniversary of the Czech Air Force really fitts Gripen well!
the way that flanker moves is terrifying. if only its missiles were a little better youd died nearly every round lol.
The biggest problem with russian tech is the electronic reliability
@@gabrielcalda7033to be more precisely - complete absence. Russians don't have modern electronics in their planes.
There were a couple of times that if the Gripen missile had dropped the flanker would have been done, but I think he said he thought it didn't drop because the system knew it was too close.
@@charlesrichardson8635 yea but those opportunities were usually much later in the round after the flankers missiles decided to spare the Gripens soul lol
@@gabrielcalda7033quite opposite, russian eletronic is super tough and reliable, the problem is it's not super sophisticated and andvanced
GS, we need to talk about your diet. I know you need iron and minerals in your diet, but chewing on missiles isn’t the best way.
Talk about backshot 9:12 "ahhh, I can't get him off my 6 here. Ohh, it's gonna be tight" 🤣
This one really had me _Gripen_ the edge of my seat 😏
LOL
BOOOOOOOOOOOO! 🤣
Yooo 🌚
I forgot to mention a few vids ago... Thanks for turning off the motiin blur! It looks so much more natural and much less janky for me.
Ya they messed up the motion blur in DCS I’ll probably leave it off until they fix it.
Motion blur is the most useless function in gaming industry.. never ever have it on😂
these new dogfights are insane, one imperfection and it's unsurvivable
Boxer's hugging is a very apt analogy. Those fox2s were sideways
Hooks..*
These modern planes are really scary in a dogfight but it must look so cool from the ground to watch them dance.
Since I've been subscribing to your channel, I've heard and seen everything about one-circle,first-turn kills, but until that first kill, the SU-30 got in the match, I'd never really appreciated that capability. That is beautiful and terrifying at the same time.
Amazing vid GS. Thanx!
"We're ejecting inverted, I guess..."
*SPLAT*
Love it. Touches like that are one of my favorite things about your channel.
I got the impression that the stripe in the Gripens canope is a bit of a problem.
Gripen prefers to tagteam it with datalinks, sensor fusion and meteor strikes, while the Flanker is like the ogre ninja - it's massive, yet it still manages to sneak up behind you and then you're dead. Bit of a mismatch to put the Gripen in this situation but does demonstrate pretty well just how lethal the Su-30SM is in a knife fight
"Ogre ninja" yep, thanks for a brilliant idea for my next character in DnD
As if flankers don't use data links and sensors 😏
The SU-30SM is deadly not only in a “knife fight”, missiles of the latest modifications will be a big unpleasant surprise for opponents.....
His younger brother is great but I miss Sven
Ol' Sven had to retire on a medical discharge, severe tendinitis from beating on viggen engines with his trusty snow shovel.
He made out ok, full bennies - lives in a nice neighborhood with his wife on the Baltic outside Stockholm. Pays one of the neighbor teens to shovel his driveway in the winter.
Plays Santa for the little kids at Christmas. Everyone loves him.
These dogfights are the most beautiful and deadly ballet dance ever. I love this
Holy, Gripen those Sukhoi's
The tactic of flying barely above a stall is perfect in a 1v1 where your opponent is not allowed bvr missiles and not allowed to fire Fox 2s until after the first turn. In the real world where your enemy brings Fox 3s and friends this doesn't work as well.
Absolutely, in the real world you're going to be shooting a Fox 3 well before the merge. The only time you're going to get in a merge realistically is bouncing someone which is rare and maybe a 4v1 although it's likely you'll get smoked before making the merge.
Essy way to solve abusing that nonsensical tactic would be to allow gun in initial merge, would force both pilots to come in with enough speed to not be a sitting duck in the opponents gunsight
@@Asghaad or just have a set minimum merge speed.
@@AlexKall that takes away the pilots agency - and oportunity to make mistakes - from the engagement because then both will come in at the set minimum speed.
just allow gun to be used in the merge - sure it has its own drawbacks but would 100% prevent oponents coming to merge at near stall speeds to abuse theyr min turning radius in supermaneuverability "mode"
also would kinda force them to not to come directly nose to nose AND would be far more ralistic because in real fight noone will be adhering to some "gentlemanly agreement" to not to shoot in a direct headon. Sure its 50/50, you dont like it hten dont merge in a way that makes you go nose to nose with the oponent
The Gripen did better than I expected. Imagine what one turn beast it would be with vectoring.
The problem with vectoring is that you burn energy. Making you an easy target for other fighters.
Thai Gripen and Chinese trained against each other and Gripen had problems with dogfight 1v1 but the Su had problems with BVR combat scenarios.
@@ghostviggen And BVR is all that is ever gonna happen nowadays.
@@PowerslideSWE BVR or some type of Hybrid WVR/BVR fight seems to be the norm. But dogfights will still happen.
But something you cant measure is simplicity of the aircraft and the skill of the pilot. That will winn over better specs on paper.
Or simply higher TWR would do wonders.
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 10
The camo paint scheme on the Gripen in the first round looks amazing.
Those Gripen wings came off really clean, might be able to reuse them.
Just tell IKEA it somehow was missing in the flat package and you get a spare one... and one allen key... for free.
I love the different liveries for each fight! It's a small thing but the effort doesn't go unnoticed. Keep it up!
Agreed, that was a nice touch!
That third fight was exciting. Nice video, GS!
"Ooohhh sh*t" best describes that first encounter 😂
Really wish they had the Gripen E in DCS, since it's quite the upgrade from the C and is even more maneuverable!
Has any Gripen E even been delivered to customers yet? Even then It's gonna be a few years from initial delivery until it's fully capable.
@@zarwil Sweden and Brazil already has em
@@zarwil They are already in operational use in Brazil and Sweden.
@@zarwilwe are talking about a different jet than the F-35... 😊
@@zarwilwe are talking about the Gripen, not the F-35 with a lot of outstanding updates and upgrades everybody is waiting and waiting for...
you made me happy taking out our Czech tiger squadron camo for the third fight 😀
Gripen will almost never end up in a dogfight. Gripen hits before visuell sight
На самом деле все наоборот. Су-35 СМ несет гораздо более мощные радары.
Гриппен видит на 120 км, Су-35 СМ - 350 км. И ракеты Су-35 СМ может нести более тяжелые.
What if it runs off of missiles?
Это все на бумаге... Это как пво или про... Которое должно поидее сбивать ракеты, но легко ими же уничтожается даже не заметив их
@@user-kr4fb1mm1h Источник: Путин так сказал🤣
@@FacitOmniaVoluntas. ха-ха-ха. На самом деле это открытые данные, они есть и в западных источниках.
Все просто, тяжелый истребитель в силу естественных причин может нести более мощные радары и ракеты.
Никакого волшебства или секрета тут нет.
Gripen is impressive... and looking even better in that CZ airforce skin :)
FINALLLLYYYYYYYY!!!
Gripen, my beloved
More Gripen and F23 please!
This match up is something😭😭
This super slow one-turn merged fights, in an era where nations are churning out highly accurate BVR supersonic missiles... It does feel a bit like getting REALLY good at hand-to-hand combat when everyone is using fully automatic long-range weapons
Loved the soundeffect…. 😂
”Guess we’re ejecting inverted!”
SPLAT!
J-20 vs Su-47
47 all day
Yey thanks for doing the Gripen!
"We've never been tighter" - GS 2024
The sound at 9:21 XDDDDDDDD
just started the vid and alr got jumpscared😭
FOX 2 JUMPSCARE
Id love to see more griffin BVR fights
Well, that was interesting! The Gripen is a remarkable aircraft.
Dunno how you find the time to set up, fly, record, edit then post these wonderful vids but they are greatly appreciated!
In Round 2 I thought you were going to suck up debris from that Flanker! The replays with your description are so important!
Su-30SM is basically SU-37 in disguise, dogfighting that thing is like a death wish 💀
The first fight is legit basically cheating from the su30 he was basically showing you his entire belly before you even passed him
That’s ok it’s just him trying to lead turn to JAM the wez. Only rule is don’t shoot until we cross other than that I don’t care what they do. Gotta improve adapt overcome.
You must be fun at parties 🤡
@@TheCabbageMan true tbh, but in all seriousness it isn’t really interesting to watch lol
Like how missiles from Su-30 doesn't react despite having almost direct hit at Grippen
Can you do a SU30 vs SU35 or a SU30 VS SU57 dogfight ?
The main Su-35S fighter, with the most powerful radar in the world, is able to detect a 4th generation fighter at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, and launch an R-37M missile with the same range of destruction.
1:33 bro turned you into a F-104 💀💀💀
I think short-range missiles are getting so advanced & lethal that short-range dogfights will become a thing of the past. The highly maneuverable Flanker will have little advantage when the next generation of missiles will likely not even need to be pointing in the general direction of their target when launched.
Love the videos, maybe in the dogfight rules have an agreed merge speed and no change in course/speed until both players are passing each other? Felt like both were pre turning in anticipation
This was very cool!
Really nice fights!
35 years of Gripen in 2023
The wez shrinks as your speed decreases
yes thats why you need to be slower than them. it shrinks the min range of your missile.
I was in the pool!
Ah, if only you had ASRAAM in fight 4 - capable of “over the shoulder” shots.
i thought IRST is the best for over the shoulder?
The splat at the end 😂
Man you’re not just killed in action, but beautifully killed in action. Look at that manouver. Rip it straight from Top Gun Maverick
It makes me happy that Gripen has a fighting chance!
Subbed :) 1 question, what Jas do you use ? it's 2 different mods on their Discord, JAS-39C and JF17+JAS39
That was quick, dont blink😊
1:31 Just a flesh wound...
You need the Gripen-E. More wing, more power giving a improved thrust to weight ratio.
The squish after a low alt inverted ejection gets me every time
As a swede, hoping that the Gripen would do good - I was holding my breath threw long portions of the video..
Seems like SAAB also think Gripen C have to few flares cos in a video i saw recently he pointed out that E had a lot of flares.
1:14 OUCH!
That ejection into the ground sound giving me flashbacks to la blue girl!
Gripen E is challenging all come SA and EW. (Lacking stealth, thrust and range tbh.) But lets see some Gripen E BVR. :)
@1:00 when he’s already more than 90 degrees turned before the merge. Might as well just start on your 6.
that first kill by the Flanker was a chronicle of a death foretold
The first kill is like.."I clipped your wings"😊
Lol. İt was fun to see that both wings have disintegrated at the first merge. That's a rare thing on your dogfights.
Watching this makes sense of why the US went away from dogfighting doctrine. It's basically a 50/50 your pilot will be killed. Also it seems like russian missiles are half as effective at hitting, even through different content creators.
Kinda looks like the proxi isn't going off on those missiles
It's an extremely common problem in DCS. And it seems to mostly happen to Russian and Soviet missiles. Regardless realism.
@@DIREWOLFx75Probably an issue with the modded missiles on the su30 that hasn’t happened to me much with the base missiles regardless of being Russian or American
As a former TIE pilot I’m impressed 💯👏🏾 (especially with the maneuverability of the Su-30)
F-15EX vs. SU-30. Two rounds in BVR and two rounds in a dog fight.
The GRIPEN E Is one of the Most Lethal Fighters on the Planet it would never merge with any flanker.. But i do Love to see the Gripen Smack the flanker
Keep up the good work 🎉
What kills me is just how small the Gripen is. You’d think it’d have the slight edge against the SU-30 but, nope.
I haven't see a fox2 do a good looptie loop kill in a while.Was half expecting at least one in this super tight fight.
Beautiful Gripen
That gun kill chase by the Flanker reminded me of the chase scene from Avatar, when Jake Sully and his Ikran is being chased by the huge Toruk. Also why the archer seems to miss the most among all the missiles
"The Gripen is just a pro-lgbt Flanker" 🗣️
LOL I never would have thought that but okay 👍
Haha
Man you should be a real fighter pilot, all those hours in dcs makes you an ace.^^
Rear-ends opponent, "Too close for missiles... switching to.... eh... never mind, Fox 2"
Hello GS Gerat fight and you used to do unknown bands in dog fight and BYR and also in one video some time you changed the plane I mean like this video you flew both planes if it's possible I love to see the videos like that again. Thanks again you are the Greatest ❤
That was some serious white knuckle action.! 🤟
Please fly The F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS The Gripen with IRIS-T's!🙏👍
Please fly The F-15EX VS The MIG-31 BVR!🙏👍
Please fly The F-4 Phantom VS The A-4 Skyhawk guns only Dogfight!🙏👍
awesome, my two favorite planes, jet fighters at least
idk if this works but to avoid ejecting inverted in that situation try jamming the rudder in on the side u have a wing and use the stick to "roll in that same direction" it should reduce lift on ur functional wing and hopefully allow u to roll out of the inversion. Maybe in theory this works if u still have control.
Need more Gripen videos! :D
I would try to find a way for mounting the iris-t or other, on the front rudders to get the missles better aimed towards a close target, orbiting arround.
Turned his ass into a writing utensil at the beginning of the damn video 💀
When will the Eurofighter show up against the Su30?
I thought the SU-30 was going to do the cobra maneuver just after exiting that downward spiral in the fifth round.
That kind of fight is why the ultra-modern era is why I prefer the tech of before 1995 in DCS