Are Tribal / Indian Casinos Regulated? State Commissions Vs. Tribal Commissions.
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- A lot of people feel that Indian or Tribal Reservation Casinos are not regulated. But, is that true?
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Here in Southern California, we have several casinos which makes a gambling vacation more affordable. Saving lots of money by not going to Vegas, airfare, taxis, room rates, resort fees, parking fees, etc., etc.
Most have good to very good restaurants without the designer chef’s added costs to the menu.
Great for retired seniors and low rollers.
Pechanga, Pala, Morongo, Agua Caliente, Soboba, Viejas, etc.
Yaamava is the most expensive, though.
Agua Caliente was wonderful a few years back- we had been there two or three times and every time had a great time the last time came home with pretty much the same amount of money from the casino that we left with
The rooms the beds the ambiance was always perfect........ unfortunately I'm not in California anymore,
Hmmmm that’s odd the Indian casinos up here in NorCal are terrible!Least for video poker,pay tables are bad,slots I don’t think it matters.
I agree with you. All casinos in Southern California have good entertaiment. We frequent Yaamava.
I do better at Indian casinos yata hay
All my handpays have been at tribal casinos. I love them.
They sure do pay out better for sure!
@@JackGlickI hope that’s true!
Seminole in Florida, they dont allow you to win anymore. The machines are set at zero pay out.
Thanks Marc, I've seen at ND Tribal casinos when major jackpots are hit they take pictures of the inside of the machine making sure the seal on the CPU hasn't been tampered with. Also there is a ND gaming commission.
U guys have been a lifesaver this week. Been in hospital with septis and got caught up on your videos.
My usual go to are tribal casinos, and I’ve won many hand pays. In fact, I may be one of the few that think tribal casinos pay better. I do, however, wish they would tier match but with the fierce competition between tribes, I don’t see that happening.
Thanks so much, Marc for the tip and info 😊
That is something I had never wondered about. Very interesting, thanks for the info.
Great information. I did not know how tribal casinos were regulated.
Great Info, thanks !
I’m so happy to see this topic covered, I usually stick to the tribal casinos that advertise looser slots. 🎰😅
Good vid Marc. Going to Hard Rock in few weeks,hope to be lucky!
Sky City Casino in Acoma,NM. Used to have great paybacks say 10 years + ago! 2013 i hit $6,000 off 10× pay w/ $20. Got the 10× 10× Double Bar in March 2013. Another JP off The Butterfly 7's machine. $7,500 off $35/ free play + a $20 bill ($5) slot!
Appreciate the information.
great topic!
My only issue with tribal casinos is if anything goes wrong, they police themselves. If they can sweep it under the rug you can bet they will
This right here. They set up their own rules.
I have not been to Vegas in Years. I would love to go back just to see all the new stuff! My preferred casino is Choctaw Durant. I love the Class 2 VGT Bingo games.I am glad you have this video. I get sick and tired of hearing people say they cheat, we don't win ect. My favorite one and this is the one that I really can't stand is "Scared Money Does not make Money"! Well, if it is scared, you should not be spending it. If you don't care, go for it!Thanks for another great video!
Great video as always! Please don't forget to do a video on "advanced" level covering bingo Class 2 machines. You did a basics one very well and we're eagerly waiting the more in depth coverage.
Haven't forgotten - Waiting on a few guys that work on Class 2 machines and programming to get back with me.
@@GambleSmart Beautiful! Thank you guys so much!! ❤
I need a Beau Rivage shirt, hopefully I get some comps for that when I go next!
Cool video! Can you tell more about New York casinos? Resorts world NYC and Empire City casino. They have any differences?
I like that shirt Marc! My favorite casino outside of Vegas!
I got a huge hand pay from Lobster Mania five (5100 dollars after taxes) and it was at a tribal.
Hey Marc great topic and vid. I have had hand pays at my local tribal casinos. Two of those casinos do have stickers on the machines that say "machines are set to 80% pay back", doesn't sound too average. Thanks
Are you sure it says "Machines are set to 80% pay back" and not, "Machines are set to at least 80% pay back?" The former is typically what tribal casinos put on machines.
@@GambleSmart Yeah, your right, that's more what I remember it saying. Its been a while since I was at that casino that has those stickers. Thanks
I've had two hand pays so far, both were won at my local tribal casino, Spirit Mountain in Grand Ronde, OR. Great casino, lots of games, and fully NON-SMOKING
In Oregon, they are all tribal casinos (I think) and I haven’t had a single hand pay at 1,000s of $10+ bets so I guess the payout percentage depends on the jurisdiction and mostly on luck.
I only gamble at Foxwoods in Conn. a tribal casino.Have got many hand pays and great wins. Mohegan Sun is also a tribal casino in Conn. They are about 13 miles apart. What I find interesting is that they don’t tier match. You would think they would . Have not played at Mohegan in many years. My casino comps with FW are good, so stick with them, not spreading my money around . I have seen an office at FW in one of their casinos for gaming commission. When I lose yes I am disappointed, but do I blame the casino no, some days are better than others when I may be in sync with the RNG.
OSS territory, nice Donna!
Yup, exactly, you are so right, this is why I don’t go to tribal casinos anymore when I found this out a while ago. I like transparency and will give my business to a transparent, honest company, if they aren’t then I will not support.
Here in Green Bay Wisconsin, The Oneida Casino has no competition. the closest is the Menominee Casino and that's 45 miles WNW of Green Bay. it's next to impossible to win anything at Oneida. They also don't allow filming.
45 miles is really not that far. Those would be considered in direct competition. If the one 45 miles away feels better, maybe try them
We rarely go to Oneida anymore. We live in Appleton and will go to Keshena or Bowler instead. We like the old-school machines, and Oneida has taken almost all of them out (I mean, they still have a decent amount of dollar machines, but they are so doggone tight, and your money seems to go so fast that it's not even fun). Keshena and Bowler still have a good assortment of both quarter and dollar machines. We can be to Oneida in about 30 minutes. It takes us almost exactly an hour to get to Keshena, and about an hour and 15 minutes to Bowler. It's worth it to us to drive the extra distance.
We go to Milwaukee the most, we're in Sheboygan, so GB or Milwaukee, horse apiece. GB a couple weeks ago, i did pretty good, doubled. Went to Menomonie, didnt like it, then went over to Bowler, won back everything lost at Menomonie. Going up to Hayward shortly, for the weekend, first time there. I only like old school, $1 or more slots. HAHA
@@wallypalmer4704 We were at Bowler two weeks ago, haven't been there in year's, same with Menomonie, Menomonie kicked are butts, went to Bowler and made out good. Definitely liked Bowler, I'll be taking the drive more. It's almost 2hrs one way, but if I like the casino, the drive is worth it to me. Madison is also 2hr one way, I'm just not into the bingo machines. But my wife does well there, $800, $1100, $250 hot seat win, etc. That's why she likes it lol I just drive thru the parking lot n toss out a $100, donate, n keep going lol
Oneida has been terrible for me for the last few years. If i win a jackpot its because I put a lot in the machine and I'm just getting my money back.
Northern California casinos in the Sacramento Valley have 4 casinos: Red Hawk, Thunder Valley, Jackson Rancheria, and Sky River. Sky River has the best restaurants and bars but a very low pay back to the slot players. Red Hawk takes the prize in my humble opinion.
Red Hawk is the best in the area for sure. I like Gold River also for older slots.
Thunder valley is well run.
Michigan has soooo many tribal casinos and some are really tight northern, everyone complains
I've had a questionable experience with a roulette wheel at a tribal casino in Michigan (4 winds New Buffalo). I had $20 on 23 ball went in went around the wheel 180° and bounced out. I prefer going to state run casinos in Indiana.
Well said Marc
Marc, my wife, Shirley & I will see you & Dave at DD on Sat, June 22.
Haven't been to Coushatta near Kinder, La, in quite a while but I remember a bank of slots that had a sign with "100% payback" above them. I think they were $1/credit, 3 reel sllots which was too high for me (at the time).
Awesome!
I've done better at tribal casinos than i ever have at state reg. ones. And yeah theres a big difference between the ones i go to, like i always do better at Winstar than at Choctaw Durant. Maybe its just luck of the draw lol. Thanks Marc 😁
I play video poker all,I know I won’t play at theses indian casinos here in NorCal,Slots really does not matter.Video poker payouts are terrible.
Mark, have you ever been to the Chicashaw Gaming Commission? Have you an understanding of their function..i.e., do they check games before they are put on the floor, the coding, RNG certification, etc.?
Good Morning Marc. No Casino for awhile. Saturday hubby and I are celebrating 🎉 35th Anniversary just going to have a cookout with son and daughter n law to celebrate 🥂 35 years and also Fathers Day. Not sure if you or Dave has children. Take Care and have a great weekend.
Congratulations Rosemary!
Happy anniversary Rosemary. Its a heck of an accomplishment, nowadays. We just celebrated 34 yrs May 11th. 5 children, 10 grandchildren, wouldn't change it for anything.
@@rg53083 thank you don't have grandchildren. My son and Daughter n law doesn't won't children and I respect that. I have enough nieces and nephews and great nieces and great nephews and they are having kids so I'm happy. Thank You and Congratulations on 34 years with kids and grandkids. Always a Blessing.
@@rosemaryteddy8591 Thank you. Our son and his wife, they met while he served in the Navy, he finished his 8 years, she just finished college, and he's currently in college, both also work full-time, they are enjoying life, don't plan on having children, they want to travel and enjoy life on their terms, like you said, we respect that. The 4 girls gave us the babies, so we're very grateful. Just hoped my son would carry on the family name. You know.
@@rg53083 we understand that because unless my husband half brother would decide to have anymore children the Teddy line will be done . His brother only has girls but he's only in his 30s so maybe ya never know. Take Care and enjoy Father's Day weekend.
I’d take tribal any day!! I just got back from Louisiana. On class 2 I got way more playback here in Oklahoma!
Same as us - we love class 2, especially VGTs
What are the rules per se in Arizona and NV ?
Marc I miss your daily tips
RTP is legislated in most if not all states. People who think that tribal casinos are robbing them should stay out of casinos altogether tbh. I played for 14 hours at Harrah’s Cherokee with $1000. Certainly not something that could be done if they had purposely tight machines. I do think all casinos should have to share RTP though. Just like nutrition labels on food.
I've always had great luck at tribal casinos.
Like winstar 🤔
Compare to other casinos
It just takes ur money
They have a reputation
Living in Texas...im not sure how many tribal casinos overall we have here..i know of one in S. Texas. and they have a FB page that will show some of the players winining BIG money on them. But i want to know is the machine volatility the same on tribal casinos as it in in state casinos?
You answered your own question @ the 6:30 mark. They can do whatever they want as far as RTP % at least in Alabama, where there is no state gaming commission that I'm aware of since gambling is illegal in all forms in our backwards state. I've been to an indian casino twice and they were horrible, never again. I only gamble where there is a state gambling commission.
They still have state restrictions - when I mentioned they can do whatever they want, they still have to comply with tribal and state gaming pact rules and regulations. Another thing to consider, manufacturers don't even build payback %'s that are lower than 80% anymore.
As soon as I got my salary, I'll 'handpay' it all to the casino.
There are four tribal casinos in my small Northern California county. The good thing is they all are actual slot machines. I went to an Indian Casino in San Leandro (Bay Area) that is all the other type "slot" machines. That is, they are really bingo machines, where you are playing bingo disguised as a slot machine. (I know that they are Class 2 or Class 3, just can't remember which is which LOL) After a couple of visits there, it was a never again for me. Strictly donating $$$, no fun at all.
I would much rather play at casinos that are not tribal. I think Tribal casino are Thieves, that’s why the hide a lot. I know what they do at casinos by speaking to long time employees that work there or retired from a tribal casino. They are very greedy people. What you’re talking about is happening now in Florida, no one can win at the tribal casinos since Covid and the casinos are failing to hold on to players. All the locals have stopped going, they would go out of business if it wasn’t for visitors. They tightened the machines down horribly and the bonuses are a slap in the face to the players. No excitement anymore and no fun.
I ask a worker at one casino does she get a raise every year she said yes. How does they do that plus given money back on their card
I’m sure if you have a problem at running turtles casino red crow will totally have your back…..
In Detroit none of the casinos say what their payback percentages I wonder if that means they're good or bad😂
very few places will say their payback % in advertisements , but is you look at state reporting records , you can see return to player and make a rough estimate based on the whole property.
Not in Michigan
The lady that hit the $1.2 million? Someone tampered with that machine, and there's before and after photo proof that the "wheel of fortune" was moved. I don't trust the gaming commissions anymore. Someone moved that wheel after the fact, and the NJ Gaming Commission is ignoring it. I'm curious. Is it possible to alter the saved data in a slot machine without detection when a machine goes into 'tilt' mode? I haven't heard much from that case for a while. I haven't been to my casino since that story took a turn in her favor, but she still got sh@t on. I'm suspicious that slot machines are more easily tampered with than I've believed up until this point. There might really be 'a switch in the back'.
How do you know it was tampered with though? That's not what happened. When she got the bonus round, she pressed the spin button and the wheel began to spin (like normal), but it tilted (which means it physically couldn't move to the spot the RNG told it to), but it just happened to stop on the Jackpot wedge when it faulted. After the tilt was cleared (opening the machine, turning attendant key), the game resumed and attempted to move the wheel to the correct spot (again decided by the RNG) and it did, resulting in a $350 win for her, not the jackpot. Even if someone physically opened the machine, removed the wheel assembly and moved the wedge, it would still result in a tilt because the RNG result didn't match the physical result.
@@GambleSmart Ahhhh. Can a machine "tilt" be programmed as a possible outcome from the RNG?
No, not possible - that would never get past compliance and game auditors.
Mark, let's suppose RTP on a specific machine is 90%. How much of that 90% does the biggest jackpot/progressive constitute? If it's 30-40% then isn't the effective RTP about 50-60% presuming you won't be the lucky gambler to hit the biggest jackpot/progressive?
What you are describing is actually volatility. Machines with giant jackpots (far away from your bet size) do "reserve" a lot to fund that jackpot. For example, that's why games like 10x pay are so hard to hit because the 10,000 credit top line hit is significant for a 1 credit bet.
No matter what casino you go to, there's always a risk that you could lose. So, just take money that you can play with. No bill money. 🤣🤣
The FDA does NOT go to restaurants… just saying
Tribal Casino's can, rare occasion, seize your winnings and you can be arrested for trespassing. It's more of a don't cause a stink, as goes anywhere, otherwise tribal casinos are great! At least here in SoCal. I've had the best runs on BJ in tribal casinos.
Most casinos are not disclosing RTP information because they are not competing on RTP. Tribals can do it. Ho-Chunk in Madison, WI, is a bingo hall and it advertises its class II games as having a 95% floor average. But that is a business decision. The majority of casinos are competing on comps and amenities. They lure in players with offers based on loyalty card status. Not RTP. Though you still occasionally see banks of 97% RTP $0.25, $1, and $5 machines in casinos. Most people do not care. Look at how popular penny games are. The RTP there is nearly always less than 90% including the progressive increment.
Good points
Great Marc! thanks.
People that say they got many handpays, I don't believe that for a second... I lived in Reno Nevada for 10 years and I never got one hand pay... I don't always get a big payout but I always leave money ahead... it helps to pay for the gas.
You're doing the right thing - people should stop thinking and working towards hand pays. It's a fools errand in our opinion. Take the win, no matter how small it is.
In 2022 I had 25 thousand in hand pays at a tribal casino.
Handpays are far and few between. I have however; hit 4 handpays @ Harrah's Pompano Beach ⛱️ Fl in the last 6 mo. 1 $2,200, $1,250, $3,500, $4,200 all in high-limits area!
I have been to both across the country. Won some and loss some in both. But the way I play, my winnings are about the same in both. But then I dont play back any good line hits and mini jackpots at any casino. Thats the key to sucess at any casino.
I had some excellent luck and horrible luck in both...
I avoid tribal casinos 100%. The operations are so opaque and devoid of transperency. I especially dislike (and distrust) Bingo game based slots. And those slots that ring incessently while counting up winnings...forget it. Sad to say, but I only play State licensed Corporate Casinos.
My wife won $22,000 on a $7 bet at a tribal casino 🤷
But hard rock casinos Hollywood are tribes ?
I will ALWAYS go to Tribal casinos, Native Americans deserve it, State casinos are greedy