A framing 2×4 is made from pine. It's a soft wood. My 22 break barrel is getting a half inch. and my 177 break barrel is getting 3/4..it probably has a lot to do with your Temperature Where you live in Alaska..but it gives me an idea what yours can do. And I agree that it's the Temperature making the wood even hardier.
@@meathead2676 As I got to thinking about how to do the test, I realized there were a great many variables that could/would influence the results. I didn’t want to put a lot of emphasis on it as I figured I’d might prompt a number of people arguing about all the different factors. But I was curious to see how it’d do. I think I’ve come up with a better, more accurate way to measure penetration than I used in the video. For future videos, this would be a quick and easy test to provide for a quick visual of the power of any airgun. Thanks for the idea!
@@johnnybbgunner2136 I really like their ultra domed 14.3 pellets. They tend to work well in everything. But now with the sale to Daisy, I fear the pellet quality will go to crap. Most Daisy pellets are garbage and I suspect Gamo/Daisy will move Crosman pellet manufacturing over to China.
@@Riyame that’s definitely a possibility! It was cold out, much colder than I typically shoot at. I’m now curious to test whether cold temps make a perceivable difference with gas ram guns. Last winter I tested that out with a pneumatic and don’t recall seeing much if any difference. I’d think a gas ram would be affected to some degree? The gas charged lift struts on the rear hatch of every vehicle we’ve ever owned are definitely slower to lift in cold weather. I doubt airguns would be any different?
@@airgunsofalaska It shouldn't be the gas ram itself for the most part, it would be metal shrinking causing tighter fits, grease getting really thick slowing things down etc. If the piston is really over greased it could be slowed down significantly by the cold, gas ram or not. I would try a few chrony shots indoors with the gun at room temp as a comparison.
I have started using a pellet sizer to equalize the skirt size of the pellets. Tight fitting pellets can cause too much barrel drag and slow the pellet down. I have seen similar results on my chronograph testing; pellet weight is only one factor. Also, any misshaping of the skirt can cause inaccuracy (fliers). Thanks for your video.
@@motorosso3349 After posting this video and thinking about the results (I’d filmed this last week) I too was thinking about the drag. I was really surprised by how slow the 12 gr H&N pellets were. But as I recall, they fit really tight in the breech and I had to use my pell seat to push them flush. I agree, I think their tight fit caused them to have excessive drag. It’s too bad those pellet gauges are so ridiculously expensive. It’s hard for me to justify the cost when I don’t shoot competitively. I’ve got a tin of pellets on my table where I throw the damaged pellets into. It’s become habit to inspect the skirts before loading any pellet into the breech.
@ I think the gauge I’m referring to is different than the one you got off eBay. I bought a pellet resizer off eBay last spring and it is a larger size than what this Norica seems to want.
man this thing was running way slower than its spec ratings suggest? If it could run in the 800s with median weight pellet (14-16gr) I might consider getting one, but from what I saw here it just doesnt have the ballistic performance to justify the 400-500$ price. Im sure having no recoil from a break barrel is pretty cool though
@@milesstover3724 I didn’t really think about the results until after I posted the video. Now that I’m reading the comments I think both the cold and head size of the pellets impacted the results. The 12 gr H&N pellets should have been much faster. They fit tight in the breech and required my pellseat to push them in all the way. Their size may have caused excessive drag? I’m wondering too if the gas ram was negatively affected by the cold?
@@airgunsofalaska all sound like plausible factors for affecting performance. I have to imagine that so much tension on the pellet had to have slowed things down a bit. Cold will slow it down too but I agree with you that this gun shooting a 12gr should probably be much faster (in the mid 800s easily based on spec and pellet weight).
@ I was really surprised at how slow the 12gr pellet was. I believe the 14.3 Crosman pellet was almost as fast. I’m thinking the 12gr pellet was a bit too large in head size.
@airgunsofalaska Definitely seems a bit slow in the velocity department Scott, though not as bad as my spring-powered Dragon... I've heard gas rams, at least the modern "hood/hatch strut" variety don't perform well in colder weather; based on how sluggish actual car hood & hatch struts are in winter, I can see the logic there... I don't know if the Theoben gas ram system, which is different as I understand things, is affected the same way by cold weather or not?...🤨🤔💡 I unfortunately don't have a Theoben or HW90 to test, so I have no idea...😅😁 Hope you & your family are warm & well this time of year my friend 🙂👍🍻🍻
@@natesmith5393 I’m not sure if it was the temps affecting the gas ram or the 12 gr pellet head size being too large and creating a lot of drag or a combination of the two? Thankfully it finally warmed up and it’s 32°F now. During the next cold spell I think it’d be interesting to test a couple of my gas ram guns to see if they are significantly affected by the cold. I know the lift struts on automobiles are. Hopefully I’ll get some decent weather to shoot in as I want to make a couple more videos but the cold and seemingly ever present wind has prevented that. Cheers!
@airgunsofalaska You could be into something with the pellet fit idea - it does weird things sometimes. I noticed in chronographing my Dragon that some lighter pellets that fit really tightly posted lower speeds than the 15.89 Hades that chambered easily.... Usually, I find pellets that fit positively (not force 'em in tight, but snug) tend to give the best velocity, consistency & accuracy, whereas too loose (and sometimes apparently TOO tight) often causes problems... Sounds like an interesting test Scott - I look forward to it 😁 Cheers to you too, stay warm buddy..🙂👍🍻🍻
@ we were down to 4°F this weekend with 35 mph winds. It sucked. I’m next to the ocean so we don’t normally see temps that cold and when we do they don’t tend to last as long as this current cold spell. The Alaskan Interior has been getting down to -30°F to -40°F.
@@gboutdoors5198 I think it’s got a lot to do with the cold temps and some of the pellets being larger diameter than what it likes. The 12 gr pellets should have definitely been faster.
A framing 2×4 is made from pine. It's a soft wood. My 22 break barrel is getting a half inch. and my 177 break barrel is getting 3/4..it probably has a lot to do with your Temperature Where you live in Alaska..but it gives me an idea what yours can do. And I agree that it's the Temperature making the wood even hardier.
@@meathead2676 As I got to thinking about how to do the test, I realized there were a great many variables that could/would influence the results. I didn’t want to put a lot of emphasis on it as I figured I’d might prompt a number of people arguing about all the different factors. But I was curious to see how it’d do. I think I’ve come up with a better, more accurate way to measure penetration than I used in the video. For future videos, this would be a quick and easy test to provide for a quick visual of the power of any airgun. Thanks for the idea!
Thanks 😊
Springers, gas rams and co2 are warm weather guns. They still work in the cold, just not as well.
CROSMAN 14.3 are a great all around pellet.
@@johnnybbgunner2136 I really like their ultra domed 14.3 pellets. They tend to work well in everything. But now with the sale to Daisy, I fear the pellet quality will go to crap. Most Daisy pellets are garbage and I suspect Gamo/Daisy will move Crosman pellet manufacturing over to China.
I am guessing that the cold was really affecting things. A few others have shown ~15 FPE in .22
@@Riyame that’s definitely a possibility! It was cold out, much colder than I typically shoot at. I’m now curious to test whether cold temps make a perceivable difference with gas ram guns. Last winter I tested that out with a pneumatic and don’t recall seeing much if any difference. I’d think a gas ram would be affected to some degree? The gas charged lift struts on the rear hatch of every vehicle we’ve ever owned are definitely slower to lift in cold weather. I doubt airguns would be any different?
@@airgunsofalaska It shouldn't be the gas ram itself for the most part, it would be metal shrinking causing tighter fits, grease getting really thick slowing things down etc. If the piston is really over greased it could be slowed down significantly by the cold, gas ram or not. I would try a few chrony shots indoors with the gun at room temp as a comparison.
@@Riyame That’s a good idea 👍
@@airgunsofalaska Chrono your gun indoors.
I have started using a pellet sizer to equalize the skirt size of the pellets.
Tight fitting pellets can cause too much barrel drag and slow the pellet down.
I have seen similar results on my chronograph testing; pellet weight is only one factor.
Also, any misshaping of the skirt can cause inaccuracy (fliers).
Thanks for your video.
@@motorosso3349 After posting this video and thinking about the results (I’d filmed this last week) I too was thinking about the drag. I was really surprised by how slow the 12 gr H&N pellets were. But as I recall, they fit really tight in the breech and I had to use my pell seat to push them flush. I agree, I think their tight fit caused them to have excessive drag.
It’s too bad those pellet gauges are so ridiculously expensive. It’s hard for me to justify the cost when I don’t shoot competitively.
I’ve got a tin of pellets on my table where I throw the damaged pellets into. It’s become habit to inspect the skirts before loading any pellet into the breech.
@@airgunsofalaska Mine cost $20 on ebay.
@ I think the gauge I’m referring to is different than the one you got off eBay. I bought a pellet resizer off eBay last spring and it is a larger size than what this Norica seems to want.
man this thing was running way slower than its spec ratings suggest? If it could run in the 800s with median weight pellet (14-16gr) I might consider getting one, but from what I saw here it just doesnt have the ballistic performance to justify the 400-500$ price. Im sure having no recoil from a break barrel is pretty cool though
@@milesstover3724 I didn’t really think about the results until after I posted the video. Now that I’m reading the comments I think both the cold and head size of the pellets impacted the results. The 12 gr H&N pellets should have been much faster. They fit tight in the breech and required my pellseat to push them in all the way. Their size may have caused excessive drag? I’m wondering too if the gas ram was negatively affected by the cold?
@@airgunsofalaska all sound like plausible factors for affecting performance. I have to imagine that so much tension on the pellet had to have slowed things down a bit. Cold will slow it down too but I agree with you that this gun shooting a 12gr should probably be much faster (in the mid 800s easily based on spec and pellet weight).
@ I was really surprised at how slow the 12gr pellet was. I believe the 14.3 Crosman pellet was almost as fast. I’m thinking the 12gr pellet was a bit too large in head size.
@airgunsofalaska
Definitely seems a bit slow in the velocity department Scott, though not as bad as my spring-powered Dragon...
I've heard gas rams, at least the modern "hood/hatch strut" variety don't perform well in colder weather; based on how sluggish actual car hood & hatch struts are in winter, I can see the logic there...
I don't know if the Theoben gas ram system, which is different as I understand things, is affected the same way by cold weather or not?...🤨🤔💡
I unfortunately don't have a Theoben or HW90 to test, so I have no idea...😅😁
Hope you & your family are warm & well this time of year my friend 🙂👍🍻🍻
@@natesmith5393 I’m not sure if it was the temps affecting the gas ram or the 12 gr pellet head size being too large and creating a lot of drag or a combination of the two? Thankfully it finally warmed up and it’s 32°F now. During the next cold spell I think it’d be interesting to test a couple of my gas ram guns to see if they are significantly affected by the cold. I know the lift struts on automobiles are.
Hopefully I’ll get some decent weather to shoot in as I want to make a couple more videos but the cold and seemingly ever present wind has prevented that.
Cheers!
@airgunsofalaska
You could be into something with the pellet fit idea - it does weird things sometimes. I noticed in chronographing my Dragon that some lighter pellets that fit really tightly posted lower speeds than the 15.89 Hades that chambered easily....
Usually, I find pellets that fit positively (not force 'em in tight, but snug) tend to give the best velocity, consistency & accuracy, whereas too loose (and sometimes apparently TOO tight) often causes problems...
Sounds like an interesting test Scott - I look forward to it 😁
Cheers to you too, stay warm buddy..🙂👍🍻🍻
I shoot into the same type of wood and never get ricochets.
Wood is good.🤠🇺🇸
also thats some chilly weather lol
@@gboutdoors5198 really chilly and I’m so over it! We’ve had cold temps and wind for 2 weeks now. It can go away.
@@airgunsofalaska wow! that sucks! Right now im sitting in the 40s and thats pretty chiilly
@ we were down to 4°F this weekend with 35 mph winds. It sucked. I’m next to the ocean so we don’t normally see temps that cold and when we do they don’t tend to last as long as this current cold spell. The Alaskan Interior has been getting down to -30°F to -40°F.
@@airgunsofalaska wow you guys are really chilly well I hope it will be over
Man I hate when something does not preform the way you think
@@gboutdoors5198 I think it’s got a lot to do with the cold temps and some of the pellets being larger diameter than what it likes. The 12 gr pellets should have definitely been faster.
@@airgunsofalaska Yea I think that probably was the case