8:56 Funny enough, dispensers used to explode in tf2 when the engineer detonates his building. It was likely removed because the engineers used it as a trap rather than a support tool.
I don't remember this. Was it in the beta with the 6 shot grenade launcher? I've only ever saw it as a server plugin from way back before the wrangler existed. On those servers engineers would use that effect to blast jump up onto high perches.
"there's no reason not to use the kunai" you underestimate my ability to suck at spy. and i always use to forget the crikey meter was a thing and got my ass handed to me whenever i would go swinging at the sniper with my bat.
Probably what valve was thinking when they made this: "So this gun's primary function is dealing damage to get a passive mini-crit boost for all weapons. How do we balance it? Make it harder for it to deal damage of course! It won't nullify the main function of the weapon noo"
i like how getting mini crits makes the CC turn into a -5 bulleted SMG. it's strange; but i guess the idea was using one with a bushwacka/primary and not really ever bother with the CC unless enemy literally has a sneezable health pool left.
It used to make some sort of sense when the weapon came out back in 2012. If I remember right it would give you 3 seconds of full crits on kill, there was no meter. Pretty much exactly Heavy's KGB melee as an SMG. So the damage reduction was much less noticable since full crits are 3x damage. Could still use it on other weapons, I used to like snagging a kill with it and then using the crits on the sniper rifle for some no scope shenanigans. It was still dumb, but dumb in an at least kinda fun way. Now it's just dumb in a "why did they think this was a good idea" kind of way.
@@carsoncoughlin93 i can understand that; it would have been better sense mini crits came into play that they just knocked it down to mini crits; but they didn't JUST do that BS; they made it a meter that you're less then likely to get 100 damage; and even if you do; barely get enough damage in before it's time to die to some random spray of bullets; or grenade lob.
Or maybe increase the duration to 15 seconds, since the mini-crit boost it's only for the Sniper himself, it wouldn make it broken and would encourage to combo it with the primaries more as they take some time to charge 8 seconds is too low
Exactly what I think whenever I try to use it. It feels like it should be better at hitting more distant targets but it very much is not. Make it the Sniper's tomislav.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 Tomislav is more accurate, so the guy that I responded to meant more accuracy. plus the Tomislav also had a slight fire rare decrease because it is not a multi barrel sort of Heavy weapon.
8:58 Dispense me fucking nightmare fuel, captain! I regret watching this at 3AM. Amazing video though! Just getting back into TF2 and these videos have pushed me to get back in some pubs for the first time in five years. Feels good to be back!
Dang I also watched it at 3am! Though I only laughed. Maybe it's because I play Engineer too much but I just can't help but see those machines as buddies.
Honestly I always wondered why this thing didn't work the other way around, lower base damage, higher capacity, higher firing speed. Forces the sniper to keep the weapon out for longer periods of time when engaging a target (thing that is bad for the sniper), but gets an easier time filling up the Crikey bar which then gets more use out of the mini-crits thanks to the faster firing rate and no damage falloff. Then again this design as fun as it would be it goes against the name of the weapon. As it would encourage you to pepper large groups of enemies at a distance to gain Crikey quickly, and do so for longer (thanks to the increased capacity). Honestly I would love to see it give full crits that way the Bushwaka isn't THE only option, and we get to see more use out of regular kuhkri, and Shahanshah
I love how Fish will so confidently say it's annoying to have Demoknights charge up on you and hack you to death while, in the very same sentence, admitting to peacefully making headshots from across the map... you know, as if that isn't infinitely more annoying than your average run of the mill Demoknight.
“Sniper has plenty of counters, stop bitching” >gets countered by demoknight as a sniper “demoknight has no counters at all, he’s such a skill-less OP class”
@@lottie9991I agree with him in that the Eyelander is too much, but I don’t understand why 1. it has to be constantly brought up and 2. Always have a whiney, childish tone when it is.
@@lottie9991lol demoknight mains fuming in the comments. He specified multiple times that said subclass is not OP, just annoying. It's kinda easy to understand his way of thinking when your team is empty-headed and can't react to threats in time, beacuse in those cases Demoknight can just run around the battlefield killing people as he pleases
If you honest to God die to a Demoknight, you're either doing something extremely wrong or you have a massive skill issue. DK gets zeroed in seconds and completely loses to any fight where the enemy can just...hide behind any solid object.
14:16 Don't you just love when the match turns into a horror movie because you notice a Spy right in everyone's noses but they just *CAN'T FREAKING TURN AROUND!?*
"No reason for spy not to use the kunai" Whenever I use it I die on my way to the enemy team to a random rocket, pipe, sticky or scorch shot while invisible.
@@اللهاكبر-ش9ج Considering that his entire existence is balanced around the utility of his knife for picks, they all BETTER be. Although I'd argue that the YER is bad in it's current state.
@@Zhasper you lose several seconds of cloak, which is how you get behind the enemy in the first place, for slightly more effective disguises. that is not a straight upgrade
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 YER has a lot of utility for chainstabs and allows you to target anybody besides the engineer and his sentry first, it's not bad at all.
Before this video existed i was playing some matches with carbine for the memes and i used of course bushwacka. And huntsman (which means i predicted that it would be better with huntsman). And the felling i had when killing players with bushwacka was soooo gooooood.
I'd always play sniper just to Jarate-Bushwacka teams. I never even bothered to scope my primary since I couldn't hit a barn. Most fun I've ever had. And yes, I was playing a Spy without Cloak essentially but I had much better luck getting 1-for-1s
Anyone else suspects the "crikey meter fills when you hit a cloaked spy" thing is a bug, and will be removed as soon as Valve realizes it? I mean, the potted plant works in mysterious ways, but this cannot possibly be intentional.
it also works on giants really well! put some shots when you can using the carbine on smaller bots and shred through giant soldiers, medics, demos, and FOS heavies like they are nothing! Do avoid giant minigun heavys, as they will still tear you to ribbons, no matter what, and to an extent pyros. Pyros are dangerous up close, but you have a sniper rifle for that.
Why is this in a set with the hitman's heat maker? Other than having a charge meter and silencers they don't fit with each other at all. It's like the demoman set with the bootlegger, it's built entirely on aesthetics
You can at least somewhat lessen the bodyshot penalty of Heatmaker using the crikey effect, so I wouldn't say it just ruins the entire set like for example Hibernating Bear weapons.
It's worth noting that once upon a time the Carbine used to get guaranteed crits on kill. That meant that snipers could, theoretically, keep chaining crit Carbine kills, just like how the Heatmaker could theoretically keep chaining scoped in shots by landing assists/kills while Focused.
TF2 community: (Pointing at the Hitman, Brass and Air Strike set) These weapons are in the same set right? Valve: Yup TF2 Community: Thats why they have a similar design in colour scheme and detail Valve: Yup TF2 Community: So all these weapons are best paired with the set they are in? Valve: Sounds right to me TF2 Community: So I will use these in the same set now Administrator: *You've failed* (Sad music plays)
I think a good upside would be to give the crikey a speed boost on activation to make the bushwaka combo dumb fun, would this be viable? Probably not, would it be fucking hilarious to have a sniper kill 4 people with the bushwaka? Absolutely
bring the firing speed penalty down to 10% crikey meter when filled gives gauranteed crits for 8 seconds and a 30% speed boost. Australian melee intensifies.
having the speed boost for the duration of the Crikey meter or just for the first 3 seconds? also other suggested to lower the fire rate penalty, plus there were even people that wanted more accuracy on the Cleaner's.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 do you mean minicrits not crits because sniper having a phlog that needs a third of the damage to charge and no taunt to activate is busted even on an smg/melee
@@boomeronet7888 unlike pyro tho sniper still needs to be in combat using the carbine to get the crits and unlike pyro his main source of damage isn't his smgs or blades so to incentivise a combat style that disregards his primary source of damage needs to be strong otherwise it's gimmicky and pointless. But yeah I guess it can be busted how would you go about with it?
I actually really like the Carbine, actually. The slower firing speed helps me with placing my shots better rather than just using the stock SMG as a spray n' pray; and the silenced shots and mini-crits are also greatly appreciated, especially when paired with the Bushwacka and the Huntsman
2:03 You wanna know why you don’t notice the smaller clip size Cause thanks to the fact it shoots slower it uses less ammo In truth you can shoot for slightly longer then stock Just it does way less damage in that slightly longer shooting time Amazing video just saying that
i’d suggest something else, like a damage increase to make the carbine’s bullets quality over quantity, since you already have less clip size and fire rate, and this would also make the mini-crits do more than the stock smg at effective range.
Another thing that gimps the Cleaner's Carbine is that it cannot activate the Crikey meter while reloading. So, if you have automatic reload on, and you pull out the CC when it's not fully loaded, you are basically forced to wait a second to finish reloading THEN you can activate it which makes you unable to use anything until you finish reloading or else you'll be stuck swapping weapons like an idiot before you're put out of your misery.
"You'd think people would learn to TURN THE FUCK AROUND!" is the phrase I hear or see a chain-stab in casual. (especially when it starts with me and I have to yell, "SPY BEHIND US!" and no one turns around still...)
Honestly the ability to one-shot light classes on body shots was a poor decision because it makes Snipers resistant to being rushed down _without going for a skillshot (headshot),_ but since it was in the game on release and how a stock weapon works, we have to live with it.
I feel like reducing the firing speed to like 15% and making the crikey charge up by all weapons in exchange for a higher damage cap would make it more viable
No, one headshot or full hintsman bodyshot would be enough to fill the meter, it would have to be reduced the ampunt of crikey you get from primaries and makes stuff complicated, i'd say reduce or remove damage fall off, as it is just as good as stock when mini-crit boosted it wouldn't be too bad
I normally don't like playing sniper, but the idea of Sydney Sleeper + Cleaner's carbine, not only to deal good damage with both weapons without needing to rely heavily on headshots, which I'm bad at, but also to be able to support my team without feeling like I'm gimping myself with a gun that practically does a third of the damage of a normal sniper rifle.
I think the Cleaner's Carbine could stand to just give you a much longer buff duration (e.g. 16 to 24 seconds) so the reward for that 100 chip damage feels likena justifiable payoff
I like watching these videos before bed. Respectfully, i hate you for the nightmare fuel dispenser followed by loud heavy breathing waking me up in the middle of the night 😂😂😂
i’ve been playing around with the carbine because i’ve just gotten sick of the whole buskwacka jarate combo and i’ve found it surprising effective. i think that it’s a shame that one weapon dominates a slot when there’s way more active options that you can use and have fun with, but i think it’s utility with the huntsman and sleeper rn is still very useful and using this fun weapon should be more encouraged within the community. i think another great way to balence the weapon is to increase its firing speed to 25% but reduce its clip to something like 12 bullets (and maybe a 10% damage vulnerability? idk) so that you use it as a “oh fuck i’m about to die” and not a “lol rambo” gun, punishing players who rush in with it, while giving retreating players the firepower to counter push with the mini crits.
"If you use the kunai, i automatically think your a bad person" Me, who just started using the kunai recently because i used to not like it but started to now enjoy it:
A scout shotgun idea to piss people off: The Batter’s Hush-puppy Primary for scout +Mini-crits turn into full crits +People killed by the user are not displayed in the killfeed for the enemy team - 15% slower firing speed - Clip reduced to 4 shots - 33% wider spread
i love this series, it lets me use all the bad weapons, and even though i die a lot more doing so, it makes the game feel fresh and i feel like when i first downloaded it, keep it up man
Wait 25% lesl firing speed but if you give it 50% more damage with the minicrits it's only as good as stock? Something doesn't add up here, or i'm bad at math
I think that what the sniper really needs is a weapon that drastically changes his play-style, ie, demoknight/trolldier. Sure, the Huntsman kinda already does that by making the sniper go more mid but he's still a teddy bear if rushed down or flanked. What I would like is something that sacrifices long range dominance for short/mid range power. Say either a battle rifle similar to a Garand where he loses head shots and precision accuracy in exchange for higher ROF and dealing 75 damage a shot rather than 50 at close range and doing the same damage as stock at mid. I can see someone with decent marksmanship making such a weapon a mid range powerhouse that forces a low hp class to get in close like the scout.
Funny, I named this weapon years ago as "Pack-A-Punch". I think it's a pretty funny name for a weapon that barely gets any proper use. It puts OOMPH into your weapons upon getting that meter up. I was addicted to playing zombies, what can I say? It made my weapons better, like the actual machine in the games.
If it had something like "20% more accurate", then it would've been a good option as well. DPS doesn't really matter when you can't even hit your enemies.
I've found that this combo works great on Capture the Flag, Mainly 2Fort due to the lack of room the enemy has to get away from you, meaning you can stay in your base and pick off classes who try to rush in.
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I use it to make people think i’m worse than i am, then when they least expect it, die because i’m still not that good at the game
Bruh
Outstanding move
Gam'r
Gaymurr
You're playing 4D chess over here
Cleaners carbine is the 2nd best smg for skinny heavy. Change my mind.
UhM tHeRs oNly 2 sMGS in the gam
Yes.
*Precisely.*
@@cyruscheng499 r/WoOoOsH hAhA i'M sO fUnNy LoL hAhA
jarate's a better smg
Unless you count Scout as a kind of skinny Heavy.
As a famous youtuber once mentioned, "The Cleaner's Carbine and a knife"
YOU MUST GIMMICK!
Demopan's a gimmick right?
@@cat---- ehhh CrItS mare More common then the urbersaw on demopan...unless if your demopan then CrItS don't work
Well said Fish, well said.
@@cat---- NO! Its not a gimmick!
8:56 Funny enough, dispensers used to explode in tf2 when the engineer detonates his building. It was likely removed because the engineers used it as a trap rather than a support tool.
Wow never heard of that! Sounds fun to use actually
I don't remember this. Was it in the beta with the 6 shot grenade launcher?
I've only ever saw it as a server plugin from way back before the wrangler existed. On those servers engineers would use that effect to blast jump up onto high perches.
@@theworldofnexttuesday2802 that sounds like a great function.
@@drivanradosivic1357 Oftentimes they'd also configure it so the blast scaled up with the amount of stored metal.
@@theworldofnexttuesday2802 heh, makes sense. maybe a base damage plus stored metal?
"there's no reason not to use the kunai"
you underestimate my ability to suck at spy.
and i always use to forget the crikey meter was a thing and got my ass handed to me whenever i would go swinging at the sniper with my bat.
Cheap strange botkiller knife
Spycicle better than Kunai though. Fite me
@Smalls it is until you get smacked upside the head with 8 seconds of garunteed crits
@Smalls you can do that but it's not nearly as fun and rewarding.
@Smalls there is no feeling like smacking an unaware sniper upside the head with a crit bat swing and watching the ragdoll fly.
"Oh god, is that a sniper with the shiny bushwacka coming at me at mach 4"
Oh mah Lord Jesussy Christ, is this really you?
"oh pff; that sniper has a cleaners--- oh shit; the bushwacka!"
Insert scene from Monty python and the holy grail
Bangkok k.
Sniper is basically demoknight
Probably what valve was thinking when they made this:
"So this gun's primary function is dealing damage to get a passive mini-crit boost for all weapons. How do we balance it? Make it harder for it to deal damage of course! It won't nullify the main function of the weapon noo"
i like how getting mini crits makes the CC turn into a -5 bulleted SMG. it's strange; but i guess the idea was using one with a bushwacka/primary and not really ever bother with the CC unless enemy literally has a sneezable health pool left.
It used to make some sort of sense when the weapon came out back in 2012. If I remember right it would give you 3 seconds of full crits on kill, there was no meter. Pretty much exactly Heavy's KGB melee as an SMG. So the damage reduction was much less noticable since full crits are 3x damage. Could still use it on other weapons, I used to like snagging a kill with it and then using the crits on the sniper rifle for some no scope shenanigans. It was still dumb, but dumb in an at least kinda fun way.
Now it's just dumb in a "why did they think this was a good idea" kind of way.
@@carsoncoughlin93 i can understand that; it would have been better sense mini crits came into play that they just knocked it down to mini crits; but they didn't JUST do that BS; they made it a meter that you're less then likely to get 100 damage; and even if you do; barely get enough damage in before it's time to die to some random spray of bullets; or grenade lob.
And they gave it to the class who benefits the least from getting crits
The starting theme is extra fitting this time :D
HE HAS THE VERIFICATION MARK!
Hi Iron Armenian
ironic considering the fact that he used the same theme on the classic episode, the weapon that he reccomended to use with the carbine
Whats up -doc- checkmark!
snoipah gaming 0:05
13:00 Ladies and gentlemen, meet the greatest spy main to ever exist, username and all.
Literally the stereotype in an actual game.
This is the embodiment of every weeb borderline-cheating edgy spy main stereotype
why do I feel like this is soundsmith on disguise?
and a crafted kunai lmao
@@0xDEADBEEF99 Fair. A real tryhard spy main would have a Botkiller Australium Strange Collectors Professional Killstreak Kunai named "Sharingan".
You thought Sniper was OP with the speed at which he can quickscope? *Well he also has a fucking machine gun turning him into a malnourished Heavy!*
Don't forget French Sniper with the Amby
Not to mention Soldier Knight (Half-Zatoichi and Concheror)
And Trolldier
Someone called sniper with smg “skinny heavy” but “malnourished heavy” is so much funnier
battle engi - sentry = skinny heavy
@@dyingscarlet more like short heavy
13:03 This guy fits the edgy borderline-cheating weeb spy main archetype so hard that I actually think he is doing this ironically.
Now I wonder where hacking spies have faded away
the givus, the kunai, the username. it's literally perfect
Would have been funnier if he had a really edgy cosmetic set
I personally think if they just tighten the spread it would make charging way easier, that way your hitting way more of your shots.
Or maybe increase the duration to 15 seconds, since the mini-crit boost it's only for the Sniper himself, it wouldn make it broken and would encourage to combo it with the primaries more as they take some time to charge
8 seconds is too low
Exactly what I think whenever I try to use it. It feels like it should be better at hitting more distant targets but it very much is not. Make it the Sniper's tomislav.
@@nonesuch6833 good idea, and might make the slower fire rate more justified. Maybe decrease the fire rate penalty from 25% to 15%?
@@drivanradosivic1357 to be honest; i think the fire rate is fine if they fix accuracy. if not; it definately needs a faster fire rate; i agree.
@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 Tomislav is more accurate, so the guy that I responded to meant more accuracy. plus the Tomislav also had a slight fire rare decrease because it is not a multi barrel sort of Heavy weapon.
8:58
*Battle Against a Machine starts playing.*
"You engage the Bad Dispenser!"
Out of all the comments here I was genuinely not expecting an EarthBound one. This also gives me a dumb idea.
"Sniper?"
"A knoife!"
"OH NO!!!"
"Huehuehuehuehue"
Cracks me up. 😂
1:57 "Holy Mary mother of Joseph!"
That ragdoll.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Wanna see me cosplay Superman?
I’m ashamed to admit that that jumpscare actually made me jump
level 4 dispencer will be real in 60
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@BradynLee09 58
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8:58 Dispense me fucking nightmare fuel, captain! I regret watching this at 3AM.
Amazing video though! Just getting back into TF2 and these videos have pushed me to get back in some pubs for the first time in five years. Feels good to be back!
Welcome back buddy 😀
Scawey
Watch it at 1 am
Dang I also watched it at 3am! Though I only laughed. Maybe it's because I play Engineer too much but I just can't help but see those machines as buddies.
Level 4 Dispenser is not real it can't hurt you
The Level 4 Dispenser: 8:58
10:00
Did I just see a pyro successfully use the gas passer? I don’t believe my eyes someone finally did it!
But he immediately dies
Honestly I always wondered why this thing didn't work the other way around, lower base damage, higher capacity, higher firing speed. Forces the sniper to keep the weapon out for longer periods of time when engaging a target (thing that is bad for the sniper), but gets an easier time filling up the Crikey bar which then gets more use out of the mini-crits thanks to the faster firing rate and no damage falloff.
Then again this design as fun as it would be it goes against the name of the weapon. As it would encourage you to pepper large groups of enemies at a distance to gain Crikey quickly, and do so for longer (thanks to the increased capacity).
Honestly I would love to see it give full crits that way the Bushwaka isn't THE only option, and we get to see more use out of regular kuhkri, and Shahanshah
That would be a weird gimmick. Glass canon sniper going Shahansha crits at below half health
I love how Fish will so confidently say it's annoying to have Demoknights charge up on you and hack you to death while, in the very same sentence, admitting to peacefully making headshots from across the map... you know, as if that isn't infinitely more annoying than your average run of the mill Demoknight.
“Sniper has plenty of counters, stop bitching”
>gets countered by demoknight as a sniper
“demoknight has no counters at all, he’s such a skill-less OP class”
@@lottie9991I agree with him in that the Eyelander is too much, but I don’t understand why 1. it has to be constantly brought up and 2. Always have a whiney, childish tone when it is.
@@lottie9991lol demoknight mains fuming in the comments. He specified multiple times that said subclass is not OP, just annoying. It's kinda easy to understand his way of thinking when your team is empty-headed and can't react to threats in time, beacuse in those cases Demoknight can just run around the battlefield killing people as he pleases
@@lottie9991 I think when he said skill-less he specifically meant with the eyelander.
If you honest to God die to a Demoknight, you're either doing something extremely wrong or you have a massive skill issue. DK gets zeroed in seconds and completely loses to any fight where the enemy can just...hide behind any solid object.
Me: *has a strange cleaner carbine*
Also me: well time to switch it
@Bird Bread pretty much only useful for a strange/bushwacka.
I bought a strange carbine from steam marketplace for MvM because i didn't have a normal one and i didn't know scraptf existed, kek
4:13 that's why I love tf2, demoman just charging through the air into an arrow
14:16 Don't you just love when the match turns into a horror movie because you notice a Spy right in everyone's noses but they just *CAN'T FREAKING TURN AROUND!?*
14:17 that disguised Spy as a scout is literally the smartest Spy I have ever seen...
Okay guys, jumpscare timestamps:
8:58
17:00
"No reason for spy not to use the kunai"
Whenever I use it I die on my way to the enemy team to a random rocket, pipe, sticky or scorch shot while invisible.
Honestly spy is the only class with no bad melees all of them are good
@@اللهاكبر-ش9ج Considering that his entire existence is balanced around the utility of his knife for picks, they all BETTER be.
Although I'd argue that the YER is bad in it's current state.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978yer is straight update to the stock
@@Zhasper you lose several seconds of cloak, which is how you get behind the enemy in the first place, for slightly more effective disguises. that is not a straight upgrade
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 YER has a lot of utility for chainstabs and allows you to target anybody besides the engineer and his sentry first, it's not bad at all.
13:00 this brings lag to a whole new level
he was cheating its called bactrack
Scouts with lag, stills hits you but you cant hit them....
@@rust7429 i often get killed by heavy when i try to run to corner and i have enough hp to escape but game doesn't think like that
yep, 100% cheating, not even hiding it lmao
Before this video existed i was playing some matches with carbine for the memes and i used of course bushwacka. And huntsman (which means i predicted that it would be better with huntsman). And the felling i had when killing players with bushwacka was soooo gooooood.
I'd always play sniper just to Jarate-Bushwacka teams. I never even bothered to scope my primary since I couldn't hit a barn.
Most fun I've ever had.
And yes, I was playing a Spy without Cloak essentially but I had much better luck getting 1-for-1s
@@DoABarrelRol1l keep doin what you like
I need this to cheer up more than just about anything right now, so before I even watch this, thank you.
I wish you all the best!!! *virtual hugs you*
*virtual hug 2*
Me: Who uploads a Bad Weapon Academy video at 2 in the morning?!
FSoaSG:
fsoasg: oh boy 2 am!!!
Anyone else suspects the "crikey meter fills when you hit a cloaked spy" thing is a bug, and will be removed as soon as Valve realizes it?
I mean, the potted plant works in mysterious ways, but this cannot possibly be intentional.
Yes quality content to watch during my night shift
How are the animatronics doing
@@somedudefromapharmacy we are having sex
"The chicken from fnaf isnt hot"
@@Florescentia02 🗿
@@Florescentia02 🗿
Here’s a good use for this weapon:
In MvM, max the swing speed on the Bushwhacka. I guarantee you, tanks won’t stand a chance.
oh man, that's a great idea, it only he mentioned it in the video at 13:06!
it also works on giants really well! put some shots when you can using the carbine on smaller bots and shred through giant soldiers, medics, demos, and FOS heavies like they are nothing! Do avoid giant minigun heavys, as they will still tear you to ribbons, no matter what, and to an extent pyros. Pyros are dangerous up close, but you have a sniper rifle for that.
12:46 I appreciate that perfectly timed "Bam!"
Were do I even start with this...
1:58 soldier ascends to heaven
1:56 spy ascends to hell
Why is this in a set with the hitman's heat maker? Other than having a charge meter and silencers they don't fit with each other at all. It's like the demoman set with the bootlegger, it's built entirely on aesthetics
Same reason why the steak and the warrior's spirit are in the same set as the brass beast.
@@VagueCastle649 that set exemplifies the problem with aesthetic based sets. All 3 of its weapons basically work against each other...
You can at least somewhat lessen the bodyshot penalty of Heatmaker using the crikey effect, so I wouldn't say it just ruins the entire set like for example Hibernating Bear weapons.
It's worth noting that once upon a time the Carbine used to get guaranteed crits on kill. That meant that snipers could, theoretically, keep chaining crit Carbine kills, just like how the Heatmaker could theoretically keep chaining scoped in shots by landing assists/kills while Focused.
TF2 community: (Pointing at the Hitman, Brass and Air Strike set) These weapons are in the same set right?
Valve: Yup
TF2 Community: Thats why they have a similar design in colour scheme and detail
Valve: Yup
TF2 Community: So all these weapons are best paired with the set they are in?
Valve: Sounds right to me
TF2 Community: So I will use these in the same set now
Administrator: *You've failed* (Sad music plays)
12:45 Timing like this is so underappreciated it hurts.
Having a bad morning, this is perfect
Same
1:56 the soldier moon jumped into the minecart. 10 across the board, he wins the Olympics.
I think a good upside would be to give the crikey a speed boost on activation to make the bushwaka combo dumb fun, would this be viable? Probably not, would it be fucking hilarious to have a sniper kill 4 people with the bushwaka? Absolutely
bring the firing speed penalty down to 10%
crikey meter when filled gives gauranteed crits for 8 seconds and a 30% speed boost.
Australian melee intensifies.
having the speed boost for the duration of the Crikey meter or just for the first 3 seconds?
also other suggested to lower the fire rate penalty, plus there were even people that wanted more accuracy on the Cleaner's.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 do you mean minicrits not crits because sniper having a phlog that needs a third of the damage to charge and no taunt to activate is busted even on an smg/melee
@@boomeronet7888 unlike pyro tho sniper still needs to be in combat using the carbine to get the crits and unlike pyro his main source of damage isn't his smgs or blades so to incentivise a combat style that disregards his primary source of damage needs to be strong otherwise it's gimmicky and pointless. But yeah I guess it can be busted how would you go about with it?
10:08 *"Sad but also happi F2P noises because someone cares for them :"*
yes me too
10:07 I'm glad someone recognizes our struggle.
Great video once again, I enjoy your content so much, shame I cant really catch streams more often, but it doesnt matter since your vids are this good
I actually really like the Carbine, actually. The slower firing speed helps me with placing my shots better rather than just using the stock SMG as a spray n' pray; and the silenced shots and mini-crits are also greatly appreciated, especially when paired with the Bushwacka and the Huntsman
I never expected the cleaners carbine 2 be on bwa bc thats all what i see
imo, the best thing about the cleaners carbine is it's looks, that's what attracted it to me when I was new to the game.
2:03
You wanna know why you don’t notice the smaller clip size
Cause thanks to the fact it shoots slower it uses less ammo
In truth you can shoot for slightly longer then stock
Just it does way less damage in that slightly longer shooting time
Amazing video just saying that
Cleaner's Carbine + Bushwacka = Perfect gimmick Sniper.
It used to be more perfect when the carbine had no meter and mini-crits were triggered whenever you killed someone with it.
I'd say 2 things to buff it. Give it full on crits, or reduce the firing speed to 10%.
i’d suggest something else, like a damage increase to make the carbine’s bullets quality over quantity, since you already have less clip size and fire rate, and this would also make the mini-crits do more than the stock smg at effective range.
And let me festivize it and we're done
I would suggest that the Crikey meter also gives the user around 20-25% damage resistance on wearer for 8 seconds, but that might not be a good buff.
Another thing that gimps the Cleaner's Carbine is that it cannot activate the Crikey meter while reloading.
So, if you have automatic reload on, and you pull out the CC when it's not fully loaded, you are basically forced to wait a second to finish reloading THEN you can activate it which makes you unable to use anything until you finish reloading or else you'll be stuck swapping weapons like an idiot before you're put out of your misery.
I remember , when I was so happy when I saw a dispenser with a cliner’s carbine ..)))
"You'd think people would learn to TURN THE FUCK AROUND!"
is the phrase I hear or see a chain-stab in casual.
(especially when it starts with me and I have to yell, "SPY BEHIND US!" and no one turns around still...)
5:03 As a guy who loves to play as Medic, I can feel his pain XD
12:09 I had this video on the background and this unironically scared me. thought Fish was coming for my soul
"traditionally vulnerable to getting rushed down"
Tell that to any sniper with 50 or more hours.
Sorry, "Traditionally vulnerable to getting rushed down by people who don't run in straight lines and expect to win the exchange for free."
@@fishstickonastick-gaming fair.
@@fishstickonastick-gaming Traditionally vulnerable to getting rushed down by people who arent going around 2500 hu/s*
Dont defend sniper
Honestly the ability to one-shot light classes on body shots was a poor decision because it makes Snipers resistant to being rushed down _without going for a skillshot (headshot),_ but since it was in the game on release and how a stock weapon works, we have to live with it.
Hey I'm glad you managed to get this video made!
I feel like reducing the firing speed to like 15% and making the crikey charge up by all weapons in exchange for a higher damage cap would make it more viable
No, one headshot or full hintsman bodyshot would be enough to fill the meter, it would have to be reduced the ampunt of crikey you get from primaries and makes stuff complicated, i'd say reduce or remove damage fall off, as it is just as good as stock when mini-crit boosted it wouldn't be too bad
@@bruschetta7711 Reread the comment.
I normally don't like playing sniper, but the idea of Sydney Sleeper + Cleaner's carbine, not only to deal good damage with both weapons without needing to rely heavily on headshots, which I'm bad at, but also to be able to support my team without feeling like I'm gimping myself with a gun that practically does a third of the damage of a normal sniper rifle.
The carbine just needs the firing speed lessend or removed and it'd be fine
0:18 “My favourite sniper secondary is the stock SMG.”
Said while using a festivized australium variant. Checkmate, atheist.
I think the Cleaner's Carbine could stand to just give you a much longer buff duration (e.g. 16 to 24 seconds) so the reward for that 100 chip damage feels likena justifiable payoff
I like watching these videos before bed. Respectfully, i hate you for the nightmare fuel dispenser followed by loud heavy breathing waking me up in the middle of the night 😂😂😂
as Soundsmith said "it only has one use, TANK SHREDDING"
The ending actually scared me cause I was listening to this vid in the background and just looked down
i’ve been playing around with the carbine because i’ve just gotten sick of the whole buskwacka jarate combo and i’ve found it surprising effective. i think that it’s a shame that one weapon dominates a slot when there’s way more active options that you can use and have fun with, but i think it’s utility with the huntsman and sleeper rn is still very useful and using this fun weapon should be more encouraged within the community. i think another great way to balence the weapon is to increase its firing speed to 25% but reduce its clip to something like 12 bullets (and maybe a 10% damage vulnerability? idk) so that you use it as a “oh fuck i’m about to die” and not a “lol rambo” gun, punishing players who rush in with it, while giving retreating players the firepower to counter push with the mini crits.
9:47 TF2's a chaotic game. I doubt you'd be thinking about turning around when someone's shooting you in the face.
"If you use the kunai, i automatically think your a bad person"
Me, who just started using the kunai recently because i used to not like it but started to now enjoy it:
A scout shotgun idea to piss people off:
The Batter’s Hush-puppy
Primary for scout
+Mini-crits turn into full crits
+People killed by the user are not displayed in the killfeed for the enemy team
- 15% slower firing speed
- Clip reduced to 4 shots
- 33% wider spread
i honestly feel like the cleaners carbine could've been a godlike secondary for scout
2:35 i can just feel the anger in that pyro
I whacked the enemies bushes and got sent to the Principal's Office :(
i love this series, it lets me use all the bad weapons, and even though i die a lot more doing so, it makes the game feel fresh and i feel like when i first downloaded it, keep it up man
0:01 that sniper is a spy!
Just woke up, good timing
2:12 “this does not feel like a measley 25%”
Well… if you remove 25% from 600 RPM you get 450 RPM… and the CC fires at around 450 RPM.
Wait 25% lesl firing speed but if you give it 50% more damage with the minicrits it's only as good as stock?
Something doesn't add up here, or i'm bad at math
@@bruschetta7711 It fires 25% slower at 450 RPM compared to the Stock SMG's 600 RPM, a damage bonus would be benefitting for it.
OMG, these angry tones evry minutes is like a tradition in these videos lol
Yo FSOAS pretty good at clicking heads tho.
very balanced class
Lol
me who likes smg not as a utility but as a primary:
6 seconds, woooo new weopen academy
I think that what the sniper really needs is a weapon that drastically changes his play-style, ie, demoknight/trolldier. Sure, the Huntsman kinda already does that by making the sniper go more mid but he's still a teddy bear if rushed down or flanked. What I would like is something that sacrifices long range dominance for short/mid range power. Say either a battle rifle similar to a Garand where he loses head shots and precision accuracy in exchange for higher ROF and dealing 75 damage a shot rather than 50 at close range and doing the same damage as stock at mid. I can see someone with decent marksmanship making such a weapon a mid range powerhouse that forces a low hp class to get in close like the scout.
Funny, I named this weapon years ago as "Pack-A-Punch". I think it's a pretty funny name for a weapon that barely gets any proper use.
It puts OOMPH into your weapons upon getting that meter up.
I was addicted to playing zombies, what can I say? It made my weapons better, like the actual machine in the games.
this has been uploaded at 2 am for me, now im watching it
If it had something like "20% more accurate", then it would've been a good option as well. DPS doesn't really matter when you can't even hit your enemies.
Your Videos open my eyes to new ways to play the game and i love it! Keep up the good work!
I was letting this video play in the background and that dispenser breathing heavily at the end creeped me the fuck out
13:00 Typical Sniper player, gets salty when skillfully trickstabbed by a Spy.
That spy was literally teleporting around though. Why wouldn't you get mad.
Everybody gangsta till that one sniper goes ultra instinct with a uber medic
Looking forward to the Sydney Sleeper episode, as someone who rarely plays sniper and can't aim well to begin with, it's usually my go-to
i'm usually a stick in the mud with the themed intros but this one got me
I've found that this combo works great on Capture the Flag, Mainly 2Fort due to the lack of room the enemy has to get away from you, meaning you can stay in your base and pick off classes who try to rush in.
"The Cleaners Carbine and a Knife"
Bwa: mentions that this works with body shots
Sydney sleeper and machina: STONKS
Indeed! Love the use of the Futura font on your videos! It's my favorite font! So clean and pleasing! 😁👌🏻
11:11, the reverse market garden
I'm sorry you had to go through the process for getting the footage for this weapon. I can only imagine how big the raw footage files ended up being.
Is it bad that whenever I play sniper with the piss and funni knife, I think of sniper as a chef catching animals and cooking them with lemonade
Valve: *festivises weapon*
Fsoas: I'lL tAkE yOuR eNtIrE sToCk
13:01 Damn, I guess the Spy really DOES have psychic powers!
Fish when fair and balanced: I sleep
Fish when festivizeable: REAL SHIT
xD
"Stabin' time."
- Sniper