The most absurd TF2 weapon rebalance video

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • A test of a style of video I want to try! This is a video from creator Grouch that's been floating around the TF2 sphere recently and become rather infamous for the absurd rebalance ideas. Originally I wanted to dissect them with fellow weapon rebalance enthusiast FishStickOnAStick as a more serious analysis of what makes rebalances work and not. However, upon having more friends join the discussion and seeing more and more ridiculous rebalances, it became a lot more silly. Let me know if this is something you'd like to see more of!
    Original video: • Fixing TF2's Terrible ...
    MY REQUEST TO YOU: Please do not harass Grouch over this video - in fact, do the opposite and check out his non-rebalance related stuff! I'm sure he knows by now that his ideas in this video are questionable, and the rest of his work is actually super solid. Everyone occasionally puts some weird takes on the internet (myself included), and although that can certainly warrant criticism, from what I've seen of Grouch in particular it's very much a standout in the greater scheme of his entire catalog.
    Thanks to ‪@fishstickonastick-gaming‬, ‪@TheWhatShow‬, ‪@zenithzv‬, and ‪@rawccoon‬for joining!
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    "Why upload this on your side channel instead of your main?" The direction my main channel is heading is beginning to warrant higher and higher quality per video which I don't think quicker videos like this uphold very well. While this wouldn't have felt out of place on Great Blue 2-3 years ago while I was still experimenting quite a bit, nowadays I really want every upload on there to feel exciting rather than having a bunch of filler. That being said, these quicker videos are still a lot of fun to make, and the only reason I stopped doing them was for the quality reasons mentioned above. So my compromise is to use Blue's Stockpile (probably to be renamed soon) as a "parallel universe" channel that has videos more conceptually inline with my 2019-2022 uploads (at least before the "What If?"/stuff with friends started taking over).

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  • @placeholderaccount-qy4eh
    @placeholderaccount-qy4eh 2 месяца назад +1235

    "I removed ANY SENSE of damage you may have had, BUT your enemies now giggle and laugh as you tickle them with your bullets. BUFFED."

    • @mix3k818
      @mix3k818 2 месяца назад +111

      You laugh, but that is basically the premise of the Holiday Punch

    • @thesmm2311
      @thesmm2311 2 месяца назад +29

      @@mix3k818 You tickle them with a punch, not a bullet tho

    • @ex-wr2ti
      @ex-wr2ti 2 месяца назад +4

      @@thesmm2311 ...... we know

    • @kousand9917
      @kousand9917 2 месяца назад +43

      that would be insanely OP, like actually, imagine getting shot across the map and are now stunned for a few seconds, just win a fight for free

    • @thunderspark1536
      @thunderspark1536 Месяц назад +7

      @@thesmm2311 Technically melee weapons are just super-short-ranged bullets in the game, since both are hitscan.

  • @augustinehuizing6683
    @augustinehuizing6683 3 месяца назад +9642

    "I cut off your legs, BUT I made your crawl speed 2x faster. BUFFED"

    • @chickennuggetman2593
      @chickennuggetman2593 3 месяца назад +691

      "I cut your head off, BUT, you can now whistle"

    • @ScaredSackless4566
      @ScaredSackless4566 3 месяца назад +655

      ​@@chickennuggetman2593 "I cut you in half, BUT you now have two seperate hit boxes."

    • @CuddlyTheMadElite
      @CuddlyTheMadElite 3 месяца назад +335

      “I cut off your limbs, BUT I made you deal bleed damage back. BUFFED”

    • @ultrawhitebread
      @ultrawhitebread 3 месяца назад +271

      I removed both your arms, but you are now ambidextrous. BUFFED

    • @Ryann9
      @Ryann9 3 месяца назад +150

      "I permanently paralyzed you, however you deal bleed damage. *_BUFFFED_* "

  • @Xenocide333
    @Xenocide333 3 месяца назад +1332

    I remember someone saying "This guy is a fucking vampire! He adds the bleed effect to every weapon!" Seems like a good description of his balances, that and the horrible spy nerfs

    • @VortexF
      @VortexF 3 месяца назад +124

      -90% damage,1 shot per round,slower firing speed,fucking useless,but hey,I can annoy sniper now, that's so good

    • @elecman748
      @elecman748 3 месяца назад +105

      ​@@VortexF
      🎟️ BUFFED 🎟️

    • @ammi5311
      @ammi5311 3 месяца назад +19

      1/10 kunai doesn't bleed 😢

    • @bryansantos9979
      @bryansantos9979 3 месяца назад +9

      ​@@VortexFsnipers can just put on the cozy camper so wouldn't matter and scout does it so much better and a Pyro who made it his life mission to harass light classes

    • @pedrossecondaccount
      @pedrossecondaccount 3 месяца назад +3

      If tf2 was realistic

  • @Myss83
    @Myss83 3 месяца назад +440

    "grouch's special"
    all class primary
    pocket pistol
    does 1 damage, applies bleed that persists indefinately

    • @GrimMcGrimmer
      @GrimMcGrimmer 3 месяца назад +77

      -cannot be fired

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 3 месяца назад

      ​@@GrimMcGrimmerthat's pretty good in this economy

    • @flextape467
      @flextape467 3 месяца назад +47

      ​@@GrimMcGrimmer +0.1% clip size, balanced

    • @insertcreativenamehere7027
      @insertcreativenamehere7027 2 месяца назад +21

      @@flextape467but also three times the reload speed, to make up for your excess 0.004 bullets, which is just far too much

    • @gamingmoyai3950
      @gamingmoyai3950 2 месяца назад +11

      @@insertcreativenamehere7027but it also fires 4x as fast, because the slow reload was a bit much.

  • @Tulip_bip
    @Tulip_bip Месяц назад +29

    the animation of the spy stamping "BUFFED" or "NERFED" on the screen kills me every time and i have no idea why

  • @thedoomdragon2895
    @thedoomdragon2895 2 месяца назад +605

    I fucking spit out my drink when he was like "The Southern Hospitality does crazy damage, unchanged!"

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 2 месяца назад +155

      It causes bleed! That's a war crime in 7 different gravel producing countries

    • @legitimo1788
      @legitimo1788 Месяц назад +31

      He really think bleeding is the most op thing

    • @VoxAstra-qk4jz
      @VoxAstra-qk4jz Месяц назад +32

      ​@@legitimo1788he saw that soundsmith bleed spam videos and thought it was actually op.

  • @beaksters
    @beaksters 2 месяца назад +272

    This video evolved into the avengers of the tf2 community as it went on. There were so many cameos I was half surprised Grouch himself didn’t pop in.

    • @Canari_garde
      @Canari_garde 2 месяца назад +27

      If he did he'd apply bleed to everyone around
      For 8 seconds...

    • @tapatorta
      @tapatorta 2 месяца назад +8

      [Buffed]

  • @X-SPONGED
    @X-SPONGED 3 месяца назад +351

    1:40:51 "Gentlemen, for your consideration...
    *L'Sadique* - Level 1 Revolver
    - Every nerf he mentioned in the vid
    + If you shoot this thing whilst disguised and it hits someone, that person gets infinite bleed until they pick up a health pack
    *"Because if you're gonna torture yourself to play mind games with the enemy, might aswell make their suffering equal to yours"* _-The Janitor high off the potted plant_

    • @molassesman4066
      @molassesman4066 3 месяца назад +32

      Nah
      Permanent bleed until you *somehow* return to full hp

    • @diegordi1394
      @diegordi1394 2 месяца назад +9

      ​@@molassesman4066 Otherwise enemy medics could profit off of the damage for a faster Uber.

    • @molassesman4066
      @molassesman4066 2 месяца назад +21

      @diegordi1394 then well just also make it so it has -99% uber build rate on the bleed, somehow, so not only do you need dispensers large health packs or medics to stop bleed, but medics are *disinsentivized* to heal you

    • @thesmm2311
      @thesmm2311 2 месяца назад +11

      @@molassesman4066 Just make it so that you cannot be healed by medics or dispensers at all. Actually, make it so you cannot be healed at all, even by the resupply cabinet

    • @molassesman4066
      @molassesman4066 2 месяца назад

      @@thesmm2311 nah
      Cuz if medic can heal you but only SLIGHTLY faster than you die from bleed than clearly you are making the medic choose from being useful or sitting there wasting 20 seconds fixing you while only getting 1% uber from it, so giving the medic the option is clearly worse than not giving him one at all

  • @LeopardCatTherian
    @LeopardCatTherian 3 месяца назад +551

    i cannot see anyone choosing to make a sniper mildly annoyed for a few seconds over just killing them with a few revolver shots

    • @itsme2335
      @itsme2335 3 месяца назад +89

      Well then he’d respawn slower, trust the process

    • @mythmage8231
      @mythmage8231 3 месяца назад +18

      I mean, people will Scorch Shot spam instead of just swapping to Sniper themselves to deal with him.
      That's basically the same thing.

    • @elizabethopoussm
      @elizabethopoussm 3 месяца назад +74

      No you see your not accounting for the psychological damage your inflicting. I mean have you ever been shot before? It's very traumatic, and with each shot your imparting more and more trauma onto the player till they get PTSD. It's really a buff depending on your point of view

    • @itsme2335
      @itsme2335 3 месяца назад +5

      @@elizabethopoussm facts

    • @aneasteregg8171
      @aneasteregg8171 3 месяца назад +23

      @@mythmage8231 Beating them as Sniper requires you to actually be a better Sniper than they are, or some way to reach a sneaky spot where they won't see you

  • @Fatsaver
    @Fatsaver 3 месяца назад +313

    ''That's like the biggest problem with the bison'' No. The biggest problem is and has always been the HITBOX! THE HITBOX IS MICROSCOPHIC. THE SPEED IS FINE, THE HITBOX IS NOT. FIX THE BISON'S HITBOX!!

    • @hexorth3580
      @hexorth3580 3 месяца назад +71

      If anything it being pitifully slow is a bonus because it deals more damage thanks to that

    • @peterpanther23
      @peterpanther23 3 месяца назад +19

      ​@hexorth3580 Yeah, this is not like the pomsom since being a piercing projectile actually kinda benefits from being slow

    • @Fatsaver
      @Fatsaver 3 месяца назад +49

      @@peterpanther23 The Pomsons main problem is the fact the projectile is completely broken nearby teammates at ANY distance it will be deleted. No other projectile acts this way. It used to penetrate teammates and buildings before Valve somehow messed it all up. Rn it forces you as the Engineer to stay away from your teammates which is very very bad. The projectile being slow was never the problem.

    • @Arman_914
      @Arman_914 2 месяца назад +1

      ​​@@Fatsaver and it has a delay as if you have 400 ping

    • @gamesandglory1648
      @gamesandglory1648 2 месяца назад

      @@hexorth3580 in the past, not anymore. It used to be able to hit the same enemy multiple times, but that was changed to no longer be the case ages ago.

  • @HalfWolf2
    @HalfWolf2 2 месяца назад +13

    This is the under the Mayo of weapon rebalancings

    • @cmessymarvin4928
      @cmessymarvin4928 Месяц назад +4

      ultrakill’s piercer revolver changes:
      -98% damage penalty
      Has limited ammo
      Bleed on hit

  • @CelestineGup
    @CelestineGup 3 месяца назад +105

    This is so genius its beyond words. Nerfing spy and buffing sniper is avant garde

    • @mrziiz6893
      @mrziiz6893 3 месяца назад +13

      Truly academic thinking

    • @SupaThePotato
      @SupaThePotato 3 месяца назад

      gup

    • @NoppyOwO
      @NoppyOwO 3 месяца назад +1

      gup detected, you should lost seer yourself now

  • @Ineophile
    @Ineophile Месяц назад +8

    Eyelander now inflicts bleed for 30 seconds but it overheals the enemy to 500 hp

  • @WDGen
    @WDGen 3 месяца назад +432

    He's clearly sponsored by Mohgwyn with how much he loves bleed.

    • @aaronpino9161
      @aaronpino9161 2 месяца назад +14

      Didn't expect an elden ring reference in my tf2 vidya, a most welcome suprise.

    • @SolusEclipse
      @SolusEclipse 2 месяца назад +23

      MOHG WAS MIQELLESTED

    • @CalciumEnjoyer
      @CalciumEnjoyer 2 месяца назад +17

      We thought Mogh was the moghlester, but he was the one being miqellested😔

    • @pokeninjafireemblem
      @pokeninjafireemblem 2 месяца назад +4

      NIHIL

    • @unaffectedbycardeffects9152
      @unaffectedbycardeffects9152 2 месяца назад

      Fuck Miquella. And that bitch of the final boss. Give them a haircut and vow of silence.

  • @Obsdragon
    @Obsdragon 3 месяца назад +299

    Your honor, my client pleads oopsie-poopsie

    • @Looona_fan
      @Looona_fan 3 месяца назад +17

      It's a goof.

    • @RayLilith
      @RayLilith 3 месяца назад +10

      thank you, Saul Goodman

    • @lpsp442
      @lpsp442 3 месяца назад +13

      On a semi-related noted, I love it when Google Translate decides that slang is foreign.

    • @wetzel4806
      @wetzel4806 3 месяца назад +8

      "It's good, clearly this man is legally Insane."
      *defendant being dragged away* "I'm innocent! I added bleed!"
      (He knifed 36 people)

  • @CurseTail_AT
    @CurseTail_AT 3 месяца назад +395

    Grouch was trying to cook the same spaghetti the TF2 devs did, but ended up lighting the kitchen on fire.

    • @fakepretender
      @fakepretender 3 месяца назад +28

      bro gotta watch more cooking tutorials

    • @smithbabies7886
      @smithbabies7886 3 месяца назад +61

      TF2 is an oily, greasy game. Fuck up once and the whole thing lights on fire.

    • @Ginoooski6699
      @Ginoooski6699 3 месяца назад +9

      Bro should never cook he burned down the kitchen

    • @Adir-Yosef
      @Adir-Yosef 3 месяца назад +22

      he is on the same cooking level as Papyrus and Undying

    • @thesmm2311
      @thesmm2311 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@Adir-Yosef Same cooking skills as that guy from Final Destination 2 who killed himself in a dumb way

  • @InfinitySevens
    @InfinitySevens 3 месяца назад +78

    God, this reminded me of that one kid on r/tf2 who literally didn't play TF2 and tried to make a weapon concept.

    • @AnAverageGoblin
      @AnAverageGoblin 2 месяца назад +2

      Please elaborate that sounds hilarious.

    • @InfinitySevens
      @InfinitySevens 2 месяца назад +32

      @@AnAverageGoblin Basically, there was a kid who went on r/tf2 to karma farm for despite not having any interest in TF2, let alone playing it. He then made a hilariously bad concept on the scrapped Assault Cannon (a minigun, as you may already know) which went as follows:
      - +25% bullet speed
      - +25% fire rate
      - +Gain a speed boost after reloading
      - -20% bullet damage

    • @AnAverageGoblin
      @AnAverageGoblin 2 месяца назад +14

      @@InfinitySevens oh my god its even funnier than I thought thank you for clarifying lmao

    • @maximilianwonschik1304
      @maximilianwonschik1304 2 месяца назад +14

      bullet speed is really fucking funny

    • @duckonaroll1913
      @duckonaroll1913 2 месяца назад +14

      ​@GribbleGob his reddit account ended up getting deleted after they found out he was underage but not before some lengthy bullying by r/tf2

  • @Ssssuuuuupppppppeeeeerrrrrr
    @Ssssuuuuupppppppeeeeerrrrrr 2 месяца назад +6

    A nose bleed would do more damage than that enforcer change

  • @CDv7
    @CDv7 Месяц назад +1

    Some time later revisiting this, I think a core driving force to the decision making here, regardless of intentions, was basically "how do i make this interesting".
    Most of the video was basically making wacky new weapons with other weapons being used as a starting point.

  • @Dylan-mx4dc
    @Dylan-mx4dc 3 месяца назад +52

    "Mr. Blue a second weapon rebalance video by Grouch has just been dropped..."

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert Месяц назад +3

    The best part of the video is that there are moments of genuinely good ideas, like buffing the steak's speed. It makes all the utterly baffling ones so much more painful.
    Grouch is a f#cking master at trolling.

  • @TheLettuceApprentuce
    @TheLettuceApprentuce Месяц назад +3

    All i can think of when I hear the caber buff is the low teir god image but replaced with demoman

  • @aneasteregg8171
    @aneasteregg8171 3 месяца назад +47

    My thoughts when I get backstabbed depends entirely on whether he uses the Dead Ringer to escape retribution afterwards

    • @he3004
      @he3004 3 месяца назад +17

      My thoughts when I get backstabbed depends entirely on how much of the spy I am seeing directly in front of my screen at the time of the stab and how much I expected to get stabbed

  • @shardgunner4815
    @shardgunner4815 2 месяца назад +2

    I can balance the Danger Shield:
    The first critical shot that hits the sniper has its damage negated, and the sniper becomes covered in Jarate. It then breaks and is only restored from the Cabinet.

    • @shardgunner4815
      @shardgunner4815 2 месяца назад

      Another one: when sniper would take lethal damage, he survives, and then gets old school max sandman stunned

  • @3ExtraLives
    @3ExtraLives 12 дней назад

    Its giving "i may have only played 10 minutes of this game, but i understand *EXACTLY* what it needs"

  • @Nythand
    @Nythand Месяц назад +1

    heavy main here The dalokohs bar does not heal 50 hp it heals 100 hp. It always gives you the 50 health overheal if you are below 300 hp, so if you are not max hp it always gives you 100hp. It only heals for 50hp if you are at the max of 300. Don't believe me? Test it for yourself.

  • @artifactU
    @artifactU 3 месяца назад +115

    bleedtopia

  • @superepicdudemccraft5076
    @superepicdudemccraft5076 2 месяца назад +2

    I know I'm a bit late commenting, but this video (this one, not Grouch's) was hilarious the whole way through. You guys' reactions were genuinely funny and had me tearing up laughing. I'd love to see more of this.

  • @Vorpal_Vox
    @Vorpal_Vox Месяц назад +2

    What if Heavy's hypothetical riot shield only reduced damage instead of negating damage? make it a more interesting alternative to the Fists of Steel.

    • @Manny4Life948
      @Manny4Life948 9 дней назад

      That is quite literally what the fists of steel does, 40% damage resistance to range damage (it does not negate damage)

  • @diegordi1394
    @diegordi1394 2 месяца назад +1

    All I want to know is why Grouch would ever think of these (sometimes) dreadful changes.

  • @effien
    @effien 5 дней назад

    Two way teleporters are a terrible idea for normal gameplay for a pretty obvious reason they don't mention for some reason. Your entire team has instant access to the resupply cabinet from anywhere on the map.

  • @treebranch8732
    @treebranch8732 Месяц назад +1

    I don't know why, but I can't get the idea of the Ullapool Caber acting like the Market Gardener out of my head.
    Like think the Caber's explosion launches demo to space then the blown up version gets crits.
    This started as a meme in my head but now I want to make it just because.

  • @ThatPangolin
    @ThatPangolin 2 месяца назад +1

    I mean, in defense of the enforcer, the idea of a spy weapon that doesn’t deal immediate damage, allowing his position to remain uncompromised while the enemy dies *is* a pretty interesting concept. In practice, however, any hypothetical weapon made with that philosophy would just be extremely weak, because he has to decloak no matter what, and if not, then it’s basically a less reliable version of the YER. Spy is a pick class and sometimes needs immediate results, so a slow kill weapon would be effectively worthless outside of niche scenarios that you couldn’t possibly predict.
    The Enforcer change is horrible though, I’m just saying a concept with that loose idea in mind

  • @lydiasteinebendiksen4269
    @lydiasteinebendiksen4269 2 месяца назад +1

    I think sarwins danger shield can be creatively reworked to be fun, just make it let youbite back. +50% melee damage when suffering from afterburn. There, now pyros CAN still kill you, at just the same speed, but they better be ready to use airblasts and evasive manouvers to keep you away, because you bite back.

  • @Valenciaga.CrocHeels
    @Valenciaga.CrocHeels 8 дней назад

    the scorch shot should uninstall your operating system the moment you fire it

  • @GhidoraTim
    @GhidoraTim Месяц назад

    "If only there is a weapon for heavy that allowed him to kill people.".

  • @mythmage8231
    @mythmage8231 2 месяца назад +1

    It's actually refreshing to watch this video after watching Zesty's reaction, because he seemed to take it infinitely more seriously (despite hating eSports, apparently).
    Not to say his reaction was shit. He had some really good thoughts that weren't shared here, but it's nice to see people taking this video less seriously than Zesty did.

  • @spy_magicthing8347
    @spy_magicthing8347 Месяц назад +2

    The Medics crossbow now heals twice as much...BUUUUUT! The moment you shoot it you damage every teammate in your vicinity for 999 health... BUFFED!!!

  • @well8250
    @well8250 3 месяца назад +11

    bleed in games really just be either basically useless unless utilised in large stacks (first example i can think of is warhammer darktide) or the most ridiculous thing in the game (elden ring)

    • @Robin_Robout
      @Robin_Robout 2 месяца назад

      Key difference there being DoTs are almost always worse than burst damage.
      Also Elden Ring's emphasis on single large enemies versus Tide games having waves of expendables you can typically kill simply enough without bleed.

  • @Ihavemorestuff
    @Ihavemorestuff 2 месяца назад +1

    I have an idea for the rework of the enforcer, give it one shot in the clip, make the damage bonus always apply, and give it a new upside, instantly reloads on hit, kind of like the Widowmaker

  • @RuslanSlichenko
    @RuslanSlichenko 2 месяца назад

    A 911 cabor you kill buildings instantly but you get nuked

  • @Josh66394
    @Josh66394 2 месяца назад

    It dose 0 damage but 0.2 seconds of bleed BUFFED!

  • @The_Boondoggler
    @The_Boondoggler 26 дней назад

    Imagine loosing a fight with a telaporter exit as demoman

  • @dynaco4_homebase594
    @dynaco4_homebase594 2 месяца назад

    The diamond back could potentially work if the base damage was increased and had 1 more bullet

  • @funnydude69
    @funnydude69 3 месяца назад +10

    I was watching the original half asleep and was agreeing to all the changes, just untill the darwin jumpshit that made me instantly wake up

  • @Armegeothm
    @Armegeothm Месяц назад

    Kinda high right now, so take these ideas with a grain of salt, none of these are serious.
    How to buff the heater:
    -change nothing, make the ring a bubble. It's still poopy and situational but now the situational advantage can't just be entirely negated by hitting the spacebar before planting a knife in the big fella's back.
    A possible way to buff the shahanshah:
    -speed boost on hit or speed boost on kill. Reward the player for surviving the encounter by letting them reposition faster.
    How to fix the diamondback:
    -make it follow phlog rules with a meter instead of being banked.
    How to fix the enforcer:
    -give it an obscenely high rapidly decaying firerate after uncloaking or breaking diguise, just dump the entire cylinder at whatever smartass pyro found you out. Iunno, spy panic attack seems funny and distinct.

  • @Xertaron.
    @Xertaron. 3 месяца назад +8

    Up until the sniper rifle changes, "Eh, not amazing, but I don't see what everyone's problem is". After that, it was non-stop laughter from the absurdity of nearly every change. All those sniper changes do is increasing his skill floor, while making him even better in hands of an expert. The Enforcer change makes it both the most useless and the most annoying weapon in the game - it's like hit scan Wrap Assassin, problem is, it's on the Spy. And the Scorch Shot change makes the problem of brainlessly spamming the corridor with it even worse, because now it doesn't even need to be reloaded so if you're next to an ammo pack or a dispenser, I guess that sucks for the enemy team.

  • @ACEMesa69
    @ACEMesa69 Месяц назад

    I think bro was boiling the eggs by frying them

  • @Padgriffin
    @Padgriffin 2 месяца назад

    The danger shield change is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. The logic that fire doesn’t matter is amazing when you consider that a Pyro can just negate your existence using a flare 24/7 because they know exactly where you are the moment you take any shot

  • @Alone-SF
    @Alone-SF 2 месяца назад +2793

    This commentary is constant fight between "hold up, let him cook" and "who let the bro cook"

    • @christopherm4739
      @christopherm4739 2 месяца назад +194

      Bro did not cook bro tried to burn down the fucking kitchen.

    • @cameronballz6154
      @cameronballz6154 2 месяца назад +1

      He never cooked, he completely destroyed the kitchen

    • @Jackson-kn5hf
      @Jackson-kn5hf 2 месяца назад +270

      ​@@christopherm4739 he bleed down the kitchen

    • @Fightsoftruster
      @Fightsoftruster 2 месяца назад +159

      He burnt down the kitchen..
      20% Damage bonus
      5% faster weapon use
      30% Slow on wearer
      Ignite on miss
      BUFFED

    • @RogueBones3
      @RogueBones3 2 месяца назад +53

      @@Fightsoftruster the "BUFFED" killed me lmao

  • @Selphie
    @Selphie 3 месяца назад +6713

    Eureka effect should kill you when you reach 0 metal so you respawn with full metal faster

    • @EmmetsPage
      @EmmetsPage 3 месяца назад +505

      Finally, a way for engie to get full metal quickly!

    • @ImTheGuy
      @ImTheGuy 2 месяца назад +347

      Finally, a way to get to spawn quickly with the Eureka Effect.

    • @epicninjacakez6716
      @epicninjacakez6716 2 месяца назад +97

      Eureka effect just forces you to kill bind, removing any suspense of a cool death

    • @DoctorCyan
      @DoctorCyan 2 месяца назад +5

      LOL

    • @adam13magic63
      @adam13magic63 2 месяца назад +7

      Blessed Mio PFP

  • @reyntime8735
    @reyntime8735 2 месяца назад +845

    1:23:07 The Urethra Effect: inflicts Jarate on hit, no random crits, deletes spy from the game on kill

    • @GreenHornet1379
      @GreenHornet1379 2 месяца назад +86

      *stamps screen* NERFED

    • @coomcharger6105
      @coomcharger6105 2 месяца назад +52

      8 seconds of bleed

    • @xyz3524
      @xyz3524 2 месяца назад +27

      @@coomcharger6105 No, that would be too OP!

    • @Chromble
      @Chromble Месяц назад +14

      8 seconds of PISS

    • @rustyshackleford7660
      @rustyshackleford7660 Месяц назад +1

      best change ever, fuck spy AND sniper, instakills are bullshit

  • @RangerSnow
    @RangerSnow 3 месяца назад +3665

    these rebalances are the equivalent of going "my roof is leaking so i'm gonna sleep outside from now on"

    • @GrimMcGrimmer
      @GrimMcGrimmer 3 месяца назад +322

      "My roof is bleeding so I fucking love it!"-Grouch

    • @invschematics
      @invschematics 3 месяца назад +159

      ​@@GrimMcGrimmer
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive
      the house is alive

    • @sampeter1471
      @sampeter1471 3 месяца назад

      any sissy players that keep complaining and want "rebalance" to weapons and game
      just have skill issues 😂
      if you can't adapt to a game or counter enemy team with current weapons they should just consider alt + f4

    • @udram47thelowercaseguy
      @udram47thelowercaseguy 3 месяца назад +116

      @@invschematics it wont be for long with that extra 2 bleed damage

    • @nosu5530
      @nosu5530 3 месяца назад +50

      ​@@invschematics yes, but it would be flinching

  • @waterfallsreal
    @waterfallsreal 3 месяца назад +2918

    43:16 "Fire resistance, who cares"
    "I care" said the sniper and pyro main in unison.

    • @Hokhahey
      @Hokhahey 3 месяца назад +287

      The duality of men

    • @waterfallsreal
      @waterfallsreal 3 месяца назад +64

      ​@@Hokhaheyexactly.

    • @10EightyPlays
      @10EightyPlays 3 месяца назад +230

      One, wants to be able to live, the other, to counter themselves

    • @freddiefishton
      @freddiefishton 3 месяца назад +16

      i can see this as an sfm

    • @Pestondemand
      @Pestondemand 2 месяца назад +43

      “Fuck fire resistance” as he suggests one of the worst possible ideas for scorchshot and refuses to nerf phlog

  • @logic_driven
    @logic_driven 2 месяца назад +2903

    I love how the caber changes were just so bewildering that they completely missed turning the iron bomber into the beggar's bazooka.

    • @thatbachus
      @thatbachus 2 месяца назад +313

      I mean even in the vid it was glossed over like he didn't even care what he was doing

    • @Pixal_Dragon
      @Pixal_Dragon 2 месяца назад +55

      I think it’s more like the old panic attack than the beggar’s bazooka

    • @davidbanan.
      @davidbanan. 2 месяца назад +183

      @@Pixal_Dragon I mean, the old Panic Attack was basically just the Beggar's Bazooka Shotgun version

    • @RatMuncher-v1i
      @RatMuncher-v1i 2 месяца назад +32

      @@davidbanan. yeah but then the beggar's bazooka was like the old panic attack

    • @GrandSleuth
      @GrandSleuth 2 месяца назад +46

      I mean, Grouch barely went over what the Iron Bomber even did, just slapped the stats on the screen and called it a day

  • @qq4tii
    @qq4tii 2 месяца назад +197

    "The Dead Ringer. Many consider this watch to be unfun and annoying to fight against, so i thought of a change that would fix those issues. So now, when you take damage with the dead ringer out, instead of faking your death and going invisible, you will bleed for 8 seconds. This helps you die faster so you can respawn with the dead ringer fully charged. Buffed."

    • @Spencer_TheSpender
      @Spencer_TheSpender Месяц назад +5

      FINALLY a way for spy to recharge the dead ringer faster

    • @so_whatLol
      @so_whatLol Месяц назад +1

      Real "dead" ringer

  • @JustADeliciousSandvich
    @JustADeliciousSandvich 3 месяца назад +4055

    Grouch was SO proud of "bleed for 8 seconds" on the enforcer too, like it was the greatest balancing move in history 😭

    • @DWN037
      @DWN037 3 месяца назад +645

      "It cost 95% damage reduction and 2x slower reload speed to bleed with this weapon... for _eight seconds._"

    • @ZeRedSpy
      @ZeRedSpy 2 месяца назад +245

      I’d honestly be okay with the Enforcer losing its damage buff on decloak and instead bleeding on decloak instead. That would be kinda cool.
      Not this abomination tho.

    • @SuperPerry1000
      @SuperPerry1000 2 месяца назад

      Honestly, that's what pisses me off about the video. The sheer confidence he has in his own awful ideas. Like he seriously thinks Valve should hire him for these GALAXY BRAIN buffs. I can only imagine he's got a blood fetish. Or bleeding in his own brain.

    • @Brass319
      @Brass319 2 месяца назад +55

      never let bro cook again

    • @bartlomiejTeczar
      @bartlomiejTeczar 2 месяца назад +19

      @@ZeRedSpy that'd be honestly kinda epic

  • @amaeo5170
    @amaeo5170 2 месяца назад +304

    You try to kill a Sniper and they just go "boing" and dodges everything you throw at them. Just Titanfall that shit.

    • @doublereel-real
      @doublereel-real 2 месяца назад +34

      Before, Sniper was playing CSGO while everyone was playing TF2. Now, sniper will be playing Titanfall 2.

  • @GalacticSnowGoat
    @GalacticSnowGoat 3 месяца назад +4653

    Nothing, NOTHING prepared me for the dangershield change. Imagine charging a sniper as a demoknight and just before you hit him, he just fucking goes to the moon.

    • @somefries3101
      @somefries3101 3 месяца назад +428

      Sniper thinks he's Mario 😭😭😭💀💀💀🗣🗣🗣

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад +374

      He is subconsciously making each class have a "fat scout" sub-class the snout with huntsman and his Darwins danger shield the new natasha heavy as onther example

    • @buggerofallhell1153
      @buggerofallhell1153 3 месяца назад +143

      ​@@dankmemes8254 but he bleeds now so its fine

    • @Steve.Matheus
      @Steve.Matheus 3 месяца назад +55

      Tall Scout

    • @Nitosa
      @Nitosa 3 месяца назад +49

      ​@@buggerofallhell1153but the sniper also has bleed (tribalman's shiv) so the sniper is completely busted.

  • @BlueDavrial
    @BlueDavrial 3 месяца назад +1412

    "Finally, a buff to the Caber!: You instantly die!"
    Ok that line is what finally got me. Good laugh right there

    • @kimgkomg
      @kimgkomg 3 месяца назад +198

      "I wish the Demoman could destroy buildings"
      The monkey's paw curls.

    • @dariocarraresi1823
      @dariocarraresi1823 3 месяца назад +40

      Ullapool Caber: -10% swing speed, -40% weapon switch penalty. Press the reload key when the charge meter is full to perform a special melee attack (explodes on hit, 200 damage). Recharges in 30s. Meter is emptied on respawn.

    • @Squashbanan
      @Squashbanan 2 месяца назад +26

      Nah bro that ain’t the Ullapool Caber, the new name is the Irish Car Bomb.

    • @Red_Bastion
      @Red_Bastion 2 месяца назад +10

      @@kimgkomg AND DEMO WAS ALREADY ONE OF THE BEST BUILDING BREAKERS

    • @Syyshsshh
      @Syyshsshh 2 месяца назад +3

      @@Squashbanandemoman is secretly Irish like Elmaxo said 😱😱😱😱

  • @trollege_problem
    @trollege_problem 2 месяца назад +473

    As a engineer main, my pants have been soiled and now brown as demoman can now destroy my building

    • @him9104
      @him9104 2 месяца назад +22

      Yeah, it’s not like it drops a bunch of metal when it gets blown up

    • @pasatebo
      @pasatebo Месяц назад +9

      ​@@him9104 as well as an ammo pavk after the player dies lol

    • @boppertron4929
      @boppertron4929 Месяц назад +18

      Building being destroyed gives you metal, so it's actually a good thing! BUFFED

    • @FencertheManwithtoomucht-zv4fs
      @FencertheManwithtoomucht-zv4fs Месяц назад +7

      But dying means you get more metal BUFFED!!!

    • @Doktersocks
      @Doktersocks Месяц назад +1

      I'm sorry that you've been autobalanced

  • @TheShadow7771
    @TheShadow7771 2 месяца назад +1440

    I was getting annoyed at how much TheWhat was hyping up the Enforcer change... then it was revealed and I completely understood

    • @SorakuFett
      @SorakuFett 2 месяца назад +181

      Yeah the Enforcer's change was silly, but the Scorch Shot change was genuinely *insane.*

    • @desmondogren6939
      @desmondogren6939 2 месяца назад +150

      I think the enforcer is more stupid because he said THE ENFORCER WAS BUFFED, you could argue the scorch shot was nerfed due to losing the stun, BUT THE ENFORCER WAS UNQUESTIONABLY NERFED

    • @Dabadi4834
      @Dabadi4834 2 месяца назад +95

      “Can this guy shut up?”
      *a few minutes later*
      “I get it now”

    • @fernoagent8581
      @fernoagent8581 2 месяца назад

      @@SorakuFett WELCOME TO TOUHOU BITCH

    • @totallynotates8793
      @totallynotates8793 2 месяца назад +7

      I was thinking the same thing until it happened

  • @cabbage426
    @cabbage426 3 месяца назад +3140

    "Sniper has had it too good for too long!"
    "That's why I'm giving the sniper rifle to scout instead!"
    Problem solved.

    • @interessiertermatheschuler8405
      @interessiertermatheschuler8405 3 месяца назад +183

      NERFED

    • @lpsp442
      @lpsp442 3 месяца назад +78

      AND making Sniper into the Scout, practically.

    • @cabbage426
      @cabbage426 3 месяца назад +68

      @@lpsp442 yes, that was the joke.

    • @lpsp442
      @lpsp442 3 месяца назад +44

      @@cabbage426 ... on closer inspection, I can now see the formatting of the humour.

    • @Heavy_weaponsguy1525
      @Heavy_weaponsguy1525 3 месяца назад +16

      They always headshot😢 me

  • @ZIRKINGALLTHETIME
    @ZIRKINGALLTHETIME 2 месяца назад +265

    sandvich rework.
    Does not heal you.
    Kills you when eaten.
    1 second respawn time

    • @Nothingtoseehere-eq9mv
      @Nothingtoseehere-eq9mv 2 месяца назад +55

      Buffed

    • @iamerror6546
      @iamerror6546 Месяц назад +25

      However, you can throw your sandvich in-game, so an insta-kill landmine would kinda suck

    • @tokenghost2396
      @tokenghost2396 Месяц назад +21

      inflicts 8 seconds of bleed

    • @halt1931
      @halt1931 Месяц назад +18

      unironically not a bad sounding weapon - obviously eating it is pointless but giving up your secondary slot in exchange for basically instant respawn time could work

    • @arandomkobold8403
      @arandomkobold8403 Месяц назад +11

      Yeah, you could theme it to be like a cartoonishly large cyanide capsule

  • @puppetmon9687
    @puppetmon9687 2 месяца назад +1314

    The whole "Razorback exploding into piss" gimmick reminds me of a community weapon called "Urine Trouble", an oversized drain urine bag that does exactly that; it soaks the spy with jarate upon backstab

    • @GavinReis
      @GavinReis 2 месяца назад +62

      I remember that. funny as hell

    • @puppetmon9687
      @puppetmon9687 2 месяца назад +141

      The difference, however, is that the Urine Trouble also stops the backstab from being an instant kill

    • @redfoxlol101
      @redfoxlol101 2 месяца назад +47

      i’m sorry but the phrase ‘razorback exploding into piss’ is making me laugh so hard i’m struggling to type this

    • @puppetmon9687
      @puppetmon9687 2 месяца назад +24

      @@redfoxlol101 to be fair, it does sound hilarious

    • @GrayD_Fox
      @GrayD_Fox 2 месяца назад +15

      Just call it The Colostomy

  • @Slevon8
    @Slevon8 3 месяца назад +6019

    -90 dmg, 50% slower firing speed, -99% clip size, 66% slower reloading speed. (Buffed)

    • @potetobloke4731
      @potetobloke4731 3 месяца назад +598

      has he not heard of the word rework? because 90% of the changes are reworks

    • @Theblindingofissac
      @Theblindingofissac 3 месяца назад +289

      AND as if the enforcer wasn’t just a worse stock, if this was real, NO ONE would even think of touching it

    • @MrToon1994
      @MrToon1994 3 месяца назад +317

      But now it has BLEED so it's Buffed. Right?

    • @viligerm6592
      @viligerm6592 3 месяца назад +301

      8 SECONDS OF FLINCHING 🗣️🗣️🗣️

    • @I_also_needed_a_name_so
      @I_also_needed_a_name_so 3 месяца назад +38

      @@MrToon1994nop 90% less bleed damage because it’s the enforcer

  • @linusiwnl
    @linusiwnl 2 месяца назад +222

    "The Phlog seems a little bit overpowered, so I removed the Crits off the weapon. To balance this, I added the Airblast back to the Weapon! BUFFED"

    • @ShacotheLore
      @ShacotheLore 2 месяца назад +32

      0/10 needs bleed

    • @linusiwnl
      @linusiwnl 2 месяца назад +40

      @@ShacotheLore Phlog now does less damage but makes up for that damage with bleed instead of afterburn! BUFFED

    • @Spencer_TheSpender
      @Spencer_TheSpender Месяц назад +5

      @@linusiwnldude you need to nerf that. At this rate a pyro miight be able to kill an enforcer spy. too powerful

  • @KittiestKitty
    @KittiestKitty 3 месяца назад +2157

    even worse the enforcer's new name makes no sense, L'executeur means the executioner but that thing never gonna execute anything

    • @GrimMcGrimmer
      @GrimMcGrimmer 3 месяца назад +447

      It should be "Le Tortionnaire", since it's torturing both you for using it, and the enemy as they are forced to constantly bleed due to you spamming it at them whenever they get a health pack

    • @tflcn
      @tflcn 3 месяца назад +191

      It executed my soul and made my ass bleed

    • @thymecrafter
      @thymecrafter 3 месяца назад +93

      @@GrimMcGrimmer Le Tortionnaire

    • @raptormage2209
      @raptormage2209 3 месяца назад +67

      The only thing its going to execute is my will to live

    • @Jojiros812
      @Jojiros812 3 месяца назад +38

      It executes the user

  • @iyuuukim
    @iyuuukim 2 месяца назад +721

    "Say the line bart!"
    *Sigh.*
    "Bleeding for 8 seconds."

    • @CalciumEnjoyer
      @CalciumEnjoyer 2 месяца назад +61

      the way this comment is formatted is amazing. The simple addition of having the “bleeding for 8 seconds.” Right there when you click the “read more” button adds a layer of suspense, leading you to wonder what would happen if you clicked that button. One of the most innovative comments I’ve seen this decade.

    • @christopherm4739
      @christopherm4739 2 месяца назад +19

      YAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

    • @Lynxtek
      @Lynxtek 2 месяца назад +10

      B U F F E D

    • @williamgrant3231
      @williamgrant3231 10 дней назад

      Edge. For 8 seconds.

  • @galacticgamer6635
    @galacticgamer6635 3 месяца назад +1320

    “Sniper’s biggest problem is when great players abuse him. So anyway I intentionally made the nerfs to sniper able to be completely bypassed by great players specifically.”

    • @dariocarraresi1823
      @dariocarraresi1823 3 месяца назад +51

      Okay, hear me out.
      *Hitman's Heatmaker:* Fires invisible rounds (except during Focus). -40% damage. Headshots mini-crit instead of critting.
      *Cozy Camper:* +100% primary ammo (brings it back to 25). -10% speed. -10% charge rate.
      It's probably still bullsh!t anyway, but in a "okay, you get to bypass the normal nerfs I placed on snipers, but you'll get entirely different nerfs" kind of way.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 3 месяца назад +28

      ​@@dariocarraresi1823 wow, an actually useless set of weapons.

    • @dariocarraresi1823
      @dariocarraresi1823 3 месяца назад +15

      @@vyor8837 Told you that it was probably sh!t. I'm not good with the values.

    • @soupcangaming662
      @soupcangaming662 2 месяца назад +40

      @@dariocarraresi1823 >delete sniper
      >balanced

    • @twin_towers_destroyer
      @twin_towers_destroyer 2 месяца назад +1

      @@dariocarraresi1823 if it mini crits whats the point of the dmg pen

  • @gril_cheese
    @gril_cheese 2 месяца назад +130

    43:17 the moment this goes from relatively decent with somewhat questionable changes here and there to completely deranged ramblings

  • @NicoTheCheese
    @NicoTheCheese 3 месяца назад +1637

    New minigun idea:
    - 69% Ammo Capacity
    - 100% Damage
    - 60% slower firing speed
    + While bullets do not deal immediate damage, they instead inflict 8 seconds of bleed

    • @artifactU
      @artifactU 3 месяца назад +119

      bleed stacks so that could genuinely be op
      EDIT: ok apparently bleed doesnt stack from the same source so this wouldnt be op

    • @a_person_1596
      @a_person_1596 3 месяца назад +143

      ​@@artifactUBleed does not, in fact, stack.

    • @transorm987
      @transorm987 3 месяца назад +200

      ​@@a_person_1596 It does...just not with the same source

    • @artifactU
      @artifactU 3 месяца назад +9

      @@transorm987 oh

    • @AgnerFromVsAgner
      @AgnerFromVsAgner 3 месяца назад +84

      How to make this minigun idea broken:
      + Bleed from this gun stacks
      + every hit gives 2 ammo back

  • @masterpiece1817
    @masterpiece1817 3 месяца назад +1278

    *Understands problem*
    *MAKES IT WORSE*

    • @smithbabies7886
      @smithbabies7886 3 месяца назад +172

      Communism

    • @marabethobrien6157
      @marabethobrien6157 3 месяца назад +132

      Communism

    • @artifactU
      @artifactU 3 месяца назад +118

      Communism

    •  3 месяца назад +40

      Very creative and thought-provoking replies here.
      (Sarcasm.)

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug 3 месяца назад +12

      I agree with the sarcastic 4th comment. (As in the point, not taking the text itself seriously)

  • @RookMeAmadeus
    @RookMeAmadeus 2 месяца назад +325

    > Lowers Scout's max HP to where 8 of 9 classes can one-shot him.
    > Makes health packs dropped FULL health packs, so you might accidentally full heal an enemy heavy with a pick attempt.
    *BUFFED.*

    • @Jorvalt
      @Jorvalt Месяц назад +16

      I think it's a full heal for the scout only, or at least I hope that's what he meant.

    • @RookMeAmadeus
      @RookMeAmadeus Месяц назад +13

      @@Jorvalt Hopefully so, but given his other edits, I'm not assuming. Even if that's the case...You can still be clapped in one hit by almost every class in the game. Only medics can't kill you in one shot without a crit. Technically heavies, too...But that minigun will still shred you before you can get away if you're even mid-range.

    • @manlypan2990
      @manlypan2990 Месяц назад +3

      @@RookMeAmadeus It is only for scout, I'm pretty sure--although it was talked over--he said that the scout gets full health from ALL health packs too. Not just dropping full hp packs.

  • @able_archer01
    @able_archer01 3 месяца назад +3798

    1. Nerfs Sniper
    2. Buffs two of his unlocks to negate the nerfs
    3. ???
    4. Profit

    • @megagofer1020
      @megagofer1020 3 месяца назад +357

      3 is bleed

    • @istoleyunomilesbigmac
      @istoleyunomilesbigmac 2 месяца назад +55

      refuses to elaborate further

    • @cursedhawkins1305
      @cursedhawkins1305 2 месяца назад +59

      Don't forget that everything suggested doesn't address the main grip people have with the class which is them being able to quick-scope light classes if they get close.

    • @umcThunder72
      @umcThunder72 2 месяца назад +14

      ​@@cursedhawkins1305 This has never been a common complaint from what I've seen.

    • @Joural0401
      @Joural0401 2 месяца назад +43

      ​@@umcThunder72I've seen it pretty commonly? I mean you also need to deal with jarate and bushwacka to fix the problem of sniper being powerful at every range but it's a component of the issue.

  • @marioood
    @marioood 3 месяца назад +1230

    love how this guy complained about sniper being a mobile opponent and then gave him a massive speed up

    • @marioood
      @marioood 3 месяца назад +122

      god it was so fun playing on the server being a frog sniper

    • @possiblymatt7970
      @possiblymatt7970 3 месяца назад +31

      ​@@marioood i want to try it out but my pc broke down lmaoo

    • @confusedevilwitch
      @confusedevilwitch 3 месяца назад +17

      @@mariooodi first read that as phlog sniper

    • @Eternal_Emerald
      @Eternal_Emerald 3 месяца назад +40

      @@marioood God forbid fatmagic acquires this power

    • @colinouille2786
      @colinouille2786 2 месяца назад +2

      @@marioood did the server shut down? i wish I could play on that server lmfao

  • @GumshoeClassic
    @GumshoeClassic 2 месяца назад +76

    You know what changes like the Eureka Effect reminded me of? Reading through the framedata and strategies regarding characters from JoJo: Heritage For The Future.
    You'd go through an entire list of utterly sick-nasty stuff that'd be absolutely broken in any other fighting game, only to get hit by "yeah also over half the cast is immune against his gameplan for most of the match lmao, he's bottom tier and if you throw someone, you get killed for hitting a move". The whiplash is palpable.

    • @Spacebugg
      @Spacebugg 8 дней назад

      I never played that game so I need an example.

    • @GumshoeClassic
      @GumshoeClassic 8 дней назад +1

      @@Spacebugg Hol Horse is pretty much exactly what I described here.
      His whole gameplan centers around knocking the opponent down and hitting them with nasty setups, often involving his glass shots (he can shoot the ceiling to make glass fall down). You have to block them standing, and since he can move as they fall, he can simultaneously hit you with a move you'd have to block crouching. So you're getting hit either way, it's unblockable. Same applies to his unblockable Slow Bullet super, if he shoots that thing out while you're on the ground and places it on top of you, you're eating the hit as soon as you get up. Nothing you can do about it, because you can't do anything but block for the first frame after you wake up from a knockdown in this game. Slow Bullet is an absurd move in general, it's what gives Hol a fighting chance.
      All in all, if Hol gets a good start, he can often just end the round from there by looping these things, and he also boasts suprisingly high chip damage.
      The problem is that a large chunk of the cast can just... turn both of these win conditions off. "Active Stand" characters can summon their stand to fight with them, and while it's out, they don't take chip and can't be knocked down. Same applies to Weapon Stand characters if I recall correctly. Meaning Hol, lacking great ways to open people up, has to resort to running away, zoning and trying to sneak hits in. But while his kit _is_ geared towards that, the low damage he gets off of hitting you if he can't do his loops makes this a very tough situation for him. The fact that Active Stand characters tend to be higher on the tier list doesn't help either.
      And yeah, his throw just... let's the opponent recover way earlier than you. They can punish you for landing it. I don't know why they made it that way.

    • @teashrimp6498
      @teashrimp6498 4 дня назад +1

      This is the last place I expected to see HFTF being mentioned on but this is a pretty good comparison actually.

  • @unaffectedbycardeffects9152
    @unaffectedbycardeffects9152 3 месяца назад +1200

    The Caber change is actually a deep diss to valve: as the demo dies and respawns, the engi will have built a new sentry, the demo will forever be on a treadmill of destroying, dying, respawn and doing it all over again

    • @Crux___
      @Crux___ 3 месяца назад +306

      One must imagine Demoman to be happy

    • @big924
      @big924 3 месяца назад +99

      The mercenary condition, the battle never ends; the assault ends as it renews

    • @ImTheGuy
      @ImTheGuy 2 месяца назад +51

      ​@@Crux___a f2p... Hmm, indeed, I've been respawning long enough.

    • @Crux___
      @Crux___ 2 месяца назад +44

      @@ImTheGuy RED and BLU have long since forgotten my name, and I am EAGER to make them remember…

    • @koperekhabsburdzki43
      @koperekhabsburdzki43 2 месяца назад +21

      Its longer then you think, its eternity in there

  • @Adam-xd9tr
    @Adam-xd9tr 3 месяца назад +1923

    That was a very quick turn around from "the changes range from good to whatever, why is everyone complaining?" to "These changes are terrible and would wreck the game."

    • @AlexDoubleAU
      @AlexDoubleAU 3 месяца назад +259

      The LSD kicked in the moment he finished talking about the rifles

    • @d_camara
      @d_camara 3 месяца назад +102

      The first few changes include a few i really want in the game, and are all very reasonable with a few being angles I've never seen before and actually found genius, i got really confused at the comments saying it was bonkers for the first 5 minutes of the video...

    • @kulekid6917
      @kulekid6917 3 месяца назад +127

      they wouldnt wreck the game, but they would bleed it and inflict psychological damage to the game

    • @alaricwilliamson5067
      @alaricwilliamson5067 3 месяца назад +26

      @@kulekid6917 And the kill itself to respawn faster.

    • @Gaminginvrrr
      @Gaminginvrrr 2 месяца назад +3

      these changes would make the bots look like unupdated localization files

  • @shakazar1815
    @shakazar1815 2 месяца назад +178

    Engineer rework: sentry bullets do 1 damage each but give 3 seconds of bleed

    • @longpants108
      @longpants108 2 месяца назад +21

      *Buffed*

    • @unaffectedbycardeffects9152
      @unaffectedbycardeffects9152 2 месяца назад +10

      But we make the sentry's bleed stacks. After 2 seconds of being shot by a sentry you take like 1900 dps

    • @longpants108
      @longpants108 2 месяца назад

      @@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 If I remember correctly bleed doesn't stack from the same weapon so it'd only stack once

    • @unaffectedbycardeffects9152
      @unaffectedbycardeffects9152 2 месяца назад +6

      @@longpants108 yeah, I was proposing to make this bleed stack. That's what I meant with "but the bleed stacks". Maybe I was a little unclear, I'll grant you that

  • @AshleyWasSadlyTaken
    @AshleyWasSadlyTaken 3 месяца назад +828

    New Sniper Nerf: Remove Headshots, but add a 8 second bleed buff

    • @slysamuel5902
      @slysamuel5902 3 месяца назад +81

      You laugh, but this is literally what valve did in mvm for the huntsman when they replaced the explosive headshot upgrade with a bleed on hit upgrade for no logical reason

    • @unaffectedbycardeffects9152
      @unaffectedbycardeffects9152 3 месяца назад +16

      ​@slysamuel5902 it also has penetratrating shots. Which break if you are ubered

    • @JaxontheOkay
      @JaxontheOkay 3 месяца назад +5

      pov sydney sleeper

    • @VeryPeeved
      @VeryPeeved 3 месяца назад +1

      [BUFFED]

    • @siluss
      @siluss 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@slysamuel5902id say its a good change for the huntsman, because you can swap aoe damage for very large amounts of damage (stacked bleeds) on certain targets

  • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
    @diegodankquixote-wry3242 3 месяца назад +2067

    Grouch must have played a bleed build in elden ring and was like "what if there was more bleed damage in tf2?"

    • @lambsauce5312
      @lambsauce5312 3 месяца назад +26

      But bleed isn't like that in souls games, it procs

    • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
      @diegodankquixote-wry3242 3 месяца назад +120

      ​​ @lambsauce5312 The proc is the random critical bleed damage on all the weapons he added bleed to but not "no random Crits" to (which I'm pretty sure is all of them).

    • @ammi5311
      @ammi5311 3 месяца назад +10

      ​@@diegodankquixote-wry3242which could be quite the improvement mechanism over melee random crit instant kill

    • @Gensolink
      @Gensolink 3 месяца назад +4

      River of blud

    • @milgos5269
      @milgos5269 3 месяца назад +8

      ​​@@lambsauce5312 tbf bleed works like that in demons souls.
      It is also completely awful there too but thats a different thing.

  • @trueomega
    @trueomega 2 месяца назад +98

    the booties are OP so im cutting off demo's legs *but* it makes you die on respawn so the character doesn't have to suffer the psychological effects of bleed during the match

    • @marabethobrien6157
      @marabethobrien6157 Месяц назад +2

      Buffed

    • @Spencer_TheSpender
      @Spencer_TheSpender 17 дней назад

      “psychological effects of bleed” youre saying that like its damn cthulu. Getting a papercut exposes you to god (real)

  • @TheRealKinetic-q1t
    @TheRealKinetic-q1t 3 месяца назад +2189

    "Thats my cat"
    "Kill it"
    ...
    "Let's move on with the video"

  • @christiancinnabars1402
    @christiancinnabars1402 2 месяца назад +74

    If he was going for the Machina tracer rounds angle with the Sniper Rifles, then why not invert the Heatmaker? Have it fire off tracer rounds normally, then fire off "stealth" rounds when in Focus mode.
    Would it be very annoying still? Yeah, but at least you know the Sniper player _earned_ the right to be annoying for 10 seconds, instead of earning the right to show the entire enemy team where their hiding spot is.

  • @MrAnniTagada
    @MrAnniTagada 3 месяца назад +1842

    This guy somehow managed to engineer a weapon worse than the gas passer with the fuckin french gun

    • @dankmemes8254
      @dankmemes8254 3 месяца назад +239

      Bro found a way to nerf the enforcer

    • @VortexF
      @VortexF 3 месяца назад +142

      ​@@dankmemes8254it's the enweakered

    • @MrLozone999
      @MrLozone999 3 месяца назад +40

      ​@@dankmemes8254 *Buff

    • @victorjohnson5646
      @victorjohnson5646 3 месяца назад +93

      @@dankmemes8254 no its a buff, did you watch the video? snipers flinch now.

    • @sirdramerica4243
      @sirdramerica4243 3 месяца назад +5

      The gas passer isnt even that bad outside of its small use tho.

  • @Pigness7
    @Pigness7 3 месяца назад +725

    "he has a way of saying why something is an issue and then making it worse" he'd make a great politician!

    • @_ikako_
      @_ikako_ 3 месяца назад +42

      "I did everything right and they roasted me!"

  • @Chaos.A
    @Chaos.A 2 месяца назад +168

    I think if you really wanted the Hitman's heatmaker to be the "stealth sniper" that gets to not have tracers, it should have the classic's downside of needing a full charge in order to headshot. That way you get the old upside of the enemy team not being able to see you, but you can't just quickscope light classes at the drop of a hat

    • @DustyOrange
      @DustyOrange 2 месяца назад +30

      - On miss, inflict 8 seconds of bleed to self
      BUFFED

    • @CloudyDaze
      @CloudyDaze 2 месяца назад +9

      Tbh. The Classic being the only one without the tracer rounds in this hypothetical nerf is thematically appropriate.

    • @Alex-n3t
      @Alex-n3t Месяц назад +1

      Honestly he should have just given no tracers to the classic and not make the heat maker another classic

    • @dragonlordic5347
      @dragonlordic5347 28 дней назад

      I think another way would be to instead replace the focus with no bullet tracers. But then again that probably just works better as it's own concept rather then reworking the Hitmans Heatmaker.
      It allows you to camp for a bit, yeah, but you have only a limited amount of time/bullets before you're revealed again and have to switch spots.

  • @renthewerecat
    @renthewerecat 3 месяца назад +958

    i can't believe i can say that he said "kills you instantly, buffed" and NOT be joking

    • @roamingdude4340
      @roamingdude4340 2 месяца назад +34

      Well I think he IS joking

    • @kingdingaling3376
      @kingdingaling3376 2 месяца назад +22

      Based change

    • @justinbarton717
      @justinbarton717 2 месяца назад +4

      You must not understand what joking is

    • @TurkRoacher
      @TurkRoacher 2 месяца назад +9

      ​​@@justinbarton717Your profile Pic is the endurance stat from Disco Elysium

    • @PlankShard
      @PlankShard Месяц назад +9

      @@justinbarton717 Your profile Pic is the endurance stat from Disco Elysium

  • @Therealmcgoonsfrfrealsies
    @Therealmcgoonsfrfrealsies 3 месяца назад +683

    Most egregious thing about "L'Executioner" is (as someone in the comments pointed out) not even "executing" anything
    You're relying on DoT to kill them, that doesn't make you an executioner, IT MAKES YOU A FUCKING SADIST.

    • @xian5919
      @xian5919 3 месяца назад +103

      he’s no longer an assassin, but i guess that makes sense cause spy players do have a mental sickness

    • @AgnerFromVsAgner
      @AgnerFromVsAgner 3 месяца назад +64

      L’Sadist

    • @odinlindeberg4624
      @odinlindeberg4624 3 месяца назад +32

      The whatever the French word for torturer is

    • @soupcangaming662
      @soupcangaming662 2 месяца назад +19

      @@odinlindeberg4624 oui oui baguette

    • @hambor12
      @hambor12 2 месяца назад +32

      So the ideal name would be The Marquis (as in Marquis De Sade, the guy who “sadism” is named for)

  • @stevenschannel6411
    @stevenschannel6411 2 месяца назад +50

    This guy is the sole member of the Ubisoft balancing team for rainbow six siege

    • @man-1291
      @man-1291 10 дней назад

      he buffed some things so that's impossible

  • @OfficialMisterBoo
    @OfficialMisterBoo 3 месяца назад +1676

    0/10
    Not enough bleed effects.

    • @MrPotato578
      @MrPotato578 3 месяца назад +44

      I am 100% he is a vampire

    • @leithaziz2716
      @leithaziz2716 3 месяца назад +19

      Average Elden Ring Build

    • @ammi5311
      @ammi5311 3 месяца назад +4

      On the other hand bleed wasn't quite utilised in the game
      Avenging dying wish, curse murder a slow death
      Something like that potentially bake into melee core gameplay instead of instant kill rolling

    • @Heavy_weaponsguy1525
      @Heavy_weaponsguy1525 3 месяца назад +1

      NO MORE BLEED,PLS

    • @ht14
      @ht14 3 месяца назад +6

      Based and Bleedpilled

  • @makodoesstuff
    @makodoesstuff 3 месяца назад +1274

    Grouch watched one soundsmith flava video and immediately wanted all classes to get a similar ability

    • @Hu-kun
      @Hu-kun 3 месяца назад +68

      It's flavatown time 😈

    • @Robyn_iz_Here
      @Robyn_iz_Here 2 месяца назад +25

      The Flava Flav Spy

    • @andyblanton6570
      @andyblanton6570 2 месяца назад +6

      He imagined that this was an ability that he shared with most other people
      They had also molded their weapon balance according to some ideal.

    • @tronmerncutsman
      @tronmerncutsman 2 месяца назад +5

      ​Maybe they imagined that their new weapon would better suit their class playstyle
      Or maybe they imagined that their class playstyle would be forced to change, to fit the new weapon balance
      This is why subclasses are often correct

    • @andyblanton6570
      @andyblanton6570 2 месяца назад +1

      @@tronmerncutsman although some people may have made mistakes. They may have created an ideal weapon that bears no relation to the concept of game balance. They may have created an ideal weapon based on some childish whim, or momentary impulse.

  • @massiveidiot77
    @massiveidiot77 3 месяца назад +883

    I cant believe the thumbnail WASN'T clickbait. That'a Grouch's ACTUAL CHANGES

  • @illusionfoxx4196
    @illusionfoxx4196 2 месяца назад +49

    I swear, it's like every time he wanted to "buff" a weapon, he felt the need to add a completely unnecessary downside to the upside he was adding! So at absolute best, the change was a net zero, but for some weapons, it was a straight downgrade!

  • @thunderknight4149
    @thunderknight4149 3 месяца назад +366

    Damn, that enforcer might as well be called The US Congress with how slow and inefficient it will be.

  • @Enthusiasst
    @Enthusiasst 3 месяца назад +812

    the enforcer died for this one folks

    • @marabethobrien6157
      @marabethobrien6157 3 месяца назад +19

      Nah best weapon in the game

    • @benyminolla
      @benyminolla 3 месяца назад +37

      ​@marabethobrien6157 yeah did you see the bleed

    • @ammi5311
      @ammi5311 3 месяца назад +7

      It really was competent tool neglected by most spy the longest time
      Battalion,vac,dead ringer,fos,wrangler
      Situational, yet very effective

    • @gedsin2
      @gedsin2 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@ammi5311 well, it would be, if it wasn't bugged and didn't go through the wrangler resistances

    • @redfox4220
      @redfox4220 3 месяца назад +1

      Rip the enforcer
      Died from bleeding out

  • @superjosh2454
    @superjosh2454 2 месяца назад +51

    Me when I'm playing Sniper and I get hit by an Enforcer (9 second bleed, this is the end of my entire career and I am never playing Tf2 ever again)

  • @mix3k818
    @mix3k818 3 месяца назад +819

    Videos like his are still a permanent reminder of just how rebalance-thirsty TF2 is.

    • @starmaker75
      @starmaker75 3 месяца назад +60

      For real
      Seriously some weapon need some buff to make less terrible to use or nerfs like the vaxx to make them more manageable

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 3 месяца назад +45

      mym killed everything

    • @yourdemiseishere
      @yourdemiseishere 3 месяца назад +44

      Me when i liked unnerfed bison and agreed it needed light hitbox trim by like 15% or something and they raped it in the street, wouldve rather seen ammo or something weird.

    • @benyerd6247
      @benyerd6247 3 месяца назад

      It's a reminder that the community shouldn't have control of balance because 90% of them are retarded

    • @ammi5311
      @ammi5311 3 месяца назад +8

      Based of valve in this area
      Not bow down to current nomie gaming crowd, obsessed with universal hyper equality just to water a game into dullness
      When every option performs the same, there's no opinions

  • @MinoriGaming
    @MinoriGaming 2 месяца назад +325

    Man if only Pyro had a weapon that rapidly fired a large cone of projectiles which inflict afterburn. Good thing this reworked Scorch Shot is here to save the day.

    • @Sisyphusprimereal
      @Sisyphusprimereal 2 месяца назад +40

      0/10 afterburn sucks give it bleed

    • @BINKLERONKLE
      @BINKLERONKLE Месяц назад +3

      pyro has no ways to do dot, that's why the svf is so good