Harvey Gyro Air G700 / NORDFAB Duct Work
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2020
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In this video I I discuss my new dust collection system from Harvey Woodworking, as well as my metal ductwork from NORDFAB. This new equipment is a great addition to my woodworking shop. I will discuss the delivery, setup, duct layout, duct assembly, noise tests, and CFM testing. This is not a review video, nor is this a sponsored video.
I purchased all of my NORDFAB duct work through John Benson of Airpro Denver. Below is a link to their website and his direct email. I highly recommend John and his team to anyone in the market for dust collection equipment.
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Again, we thought alike. I too went with the Nordfab ducting after agonizing over the cost for about a month. I just finished the install a couple of weeks ago. Paired with my upgraded DC (different make and model than yours) I feel like I got more value than I paid for, My shop is virtually dust free now. I did find it cumbersome to assemble the ductwork by myself but with my wife's assistance we knocked it out in short order. And like you said, it's super easy to change. After a couple of days I decided I wanted to tweak the runs a bit and we got it sorted out in no time.
On thing I appear to have done differently than you is that in addition to running 4" drops to my table saw and router table (my router table is inset at the end of my table saw) I also ran 2.5" drops from above to my table saw blade guard and router table fence. I connected those with loose fit/quick connect fittings so I can easily move the hoses out of the way if need be.
I also ran drops down to my miter saw, disc sander, and spindle sander, drum sander, and planer/jointer. (My bandsaw and drill press are connected to a separate wall mount DC unit.)
Lastly, I used iVac automatic blast gates on everything, which also was quite pricey, but again, well worth it to me.
On a side note, from the brief glance I got, I think we even chose the same overheard power cords. I love that they are 12 gauge and went on sale just as I needed them!
I might as well confess that I did steal the idea of getting that overhead boom for my CT-36 extractor from you. Overall it's nice to have the hose and tool cord out of the way, even though I still fight with it sometimes.
Thank you for your feedback! Seems like you getting everything sorted out. And, I love the boom arm. I do agree though, I still fight it as well a little but I think it’s just the nature of the beast.
Shop goals! looking forward to the long-term review
There will definitely be one.
First time on your channel and was really glad to find it! Your information on this video was very timely for me as I'm in the process of upgrading my dust collection (which is about 17 years old and nowhere near as efficient as I'd like) and I'm considering the Nordfab ducting. Liked and subscribed and now about to watch some more of your videos with my morning coffee! Thanks again.
Welcome! And I recently did a 6 month review video on the DC if you want more info and my thoughts on it after using it for a while now. They are actually marked down pretty low on sale right now as well. Let me know if you have any questions. 👍
Love the video! Very clean install. I want to do this in my shop.
Thank you, I’m glad you found it helpful.
With the quality tools in your shop I wouldn’t expect anything other than a high quality DC.
I am very impressed with it so far.
I'm watching this video while wearing my new Bent's Woodworking shirt, which I did manage to get back from my daughter😂(from the instagram story the other day)
Lol I’m glad to hear you recovered it 🤣
Great info...thanks!
You’re welcome!
Very nice and very clean setup 👍
Thank you!
I have been following you for some time now and I started building my garage shop about 2 years ago and you have been so helpful. The information has been invaluable even though I can't incorporate the items due to shop size it still helps me make informed decisions.
I am happy you are finding the information helpful
Awesome! I had been dragging my feet for months on what DC solution to utilize in my new shop. I just ordered one. Thanks for the info.
That’s awesome! Did you get the 15% off?
Yes sir; and they apply that 15% to everything you buy- in my case a few extra bags. I had written this option off when I first saw the 4300$ price tag when you first mentioned it a few weeks ago. But now that they dropped their msrp to 3,000 plus your discount, it is very much in line with other options.
That’s so great to hear. I like to check cause a lot of people don’t ready the description. And yeah, have no idea why the stores are selling it for that high cost.
How's the G700 working out for you?
That's an awesome machine, wish they made it in an upright. It would take up too much floor room for me. Love your vids very informative
Glad you’re enjoying them
Ha. I’ve never heard an airflow meter scream like that. I’m amazed by the power to noise ratio on that DC!
The other one that broke during testing was even louder 🤣🤣
That's one powerful sucker , I would never leave the garage
I don’t like leaving it. Lol
I've pretty much decided to go this route for my new shop setup and may buy now to benefit in my temporary shop. The low noise is a big benefit and Harvey also has good pricing right now, too. I'm already using quick connect duct and no question, I'd never go back to snap-lock or spiral.
I'm curious if this can handle the FS41e. I'm considering selling my Oneida 2hp Super Dust Gorilla and buying one of these for noise level alone.
@@pr0jektcha0s If you do a lot of milling, you may or may not be happy and that's purely due to bin size. CFM isn't going to be an issue. I had to weigh that before making my decision which was to go with the G700. I"m not doing a lot of big projects so I'm less worried about the bins filling frequently. So far, I'm extremely pleased with the G700 since receiving it a couple weeks ago. Of course, the real test will be in the new shop building where the duct work will get a little bit longer than in the temporary shop.
@@jimbecker5675 It would be a difference coming from the 55 gallon drum. Still, the noise level would be such a huge win.
@@pr0jektcha0s Same transition from me...from a 2hp "pre-Gorilla" I picked up in person at Oneida factory with 55 gallon to the G700.
of course I see this AFTER I got my dust collector lol
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Heck of a ThanksGiving Day Sale! $2399 plus $199 shipping. I clicked your link and paid...hope you get a few pennies back Jason.
Thank you so much, and you are gonna love the machine!
Would love to see an update with your thoughts on this unit now. I was originally going Clearvue but I think this machine makes better sense now that I've found a way to simplify my ductwork.
I will actually have one in the next couple of weeks on my channel. I’m gonna be doing my six month review on it and walk people through some of the features. It’s one of the most common request so I’ve had lately
Thanks for the info, had seen Harvey's system a while back, but figured it was overkill for small shop, but seeing how mobile it is and much quieter - not a bad idea - looking forward to your full review. Also noticed the Nova Viking drill press, how's that working for you?
So far it pretty sweet. I haven’t used it much cause I didn’t even assemble it till I got to this new shop.
Thats one fancy looking dust extractor congrats, the shop is looking great!!! Is that 3 MFT tables I see in the background? Looks like a great workbench!
It is and the next video will discuss the different tools stations that I made
ADVICE QUESTION: You pretty much have the best ductwork setup for your situation to smooth out the path from machine to the extractor. What are your final thoughts on this extractor's actualized pulling power for your larger tools, your jointer/planer? I will be running a A3 41 and I am looking at the 700, comparing it to the likes of a 2-3hp Laguna system, but I am left wondering if it can handle the task. I will be working less sheet stock and mostly milling up rough sawn hardwoods. Do you find your 700 has the oomph needed for the larger chip load of your jointer/planer? How fast are you filling your chip bin with this machine and do you find the chip bin undersized? Imagining for a moment that you were processing wood in the rough on a frequent basis, would you still purchase this extractor? Your thoughts, as always, are appreciated.
Cheers!
So the first thing I will say is I am absolutely loving this new machine. I as well will have the A3 41 in the shop starting in December. With that being said no I don’t have any concerns with my dust collection being able to handle it. Currently I’m getting over 700 CFM at every machine. The only downside that you might experience is the size of the dustbin capacity. I initially thought this would be a downside myself but after trying to empty 55 gallon bags I would much rather empty a much smaller bag more often then empty a very large bag less often just because it’s so much easier to do the task. The other benefit to it is it’s very easy for me to remove the bag and throw it in my trashcan. So it totally depends on how you look at it because in your case it may get really old if you’re milling a lot of lumber and have to empty the dust bin four times in one day. All in all I don’t really have any complaints about this machine so far. I will probably be doing a overview video in the October November timeframe after I’ve had a good six months or so to use it and empty the bags multiple times but so far I couldn’t be happier. Even at my CNC machine which is the longest run it is absolutely dust free when I’m done cutting
@@bentswoodworking thank you for the thoughtful response brother. I retired out of Ft. Bragg last January. I believe you are a mil brother, how much longer do you have and where are you settling down when you are done?
How do you determine what power speed to use in the dust collector for what tool? Also do you physically walk to the dust collector to change the power setting or can it be done remotely?
I run mine on the max setting always. And yes you can only adjust it at the machine.
Great video! How did you figure out the hose length for the CNC? I am planning my system and thought that I would put the swivel head centered on my 5x10 bed but not certain how much hose to order and how much slack to figure in. Thanks.
So glad I saw this video today! I ordered it through your channel so hopefully you get credit. I have one question and can't find it in the downloaded instruction manual. What 220 receptacle is on the end of the cord? I need to run a 220 and need to know what receptacle I need to mate with. Thanks again for a great video and information!
If you are on Instagram, shoot me a DM there and I will send you a picture 👍
How's the G700 working out for you?
Thanks. Wow, it seems to be very quiet for a DC of this size. Just wondering if the 45 degree run going into the machine is required - could you go straight up to the ceiling using one of the contoured 90's that are used for drop down at each tool? I wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to build a sturdy platform to raise this DC up in the air (could have storage underneath it and this would make a more direct duct run going into the unit). Just a thought.
This just provides less resistance. I wanted to avoid 90s if I could. As for raising it, it would create problems changing the bags.
I've been speaking with the company regarding several questions to include this exact one. Their answer is that you should have advertised performance as long as you have a straight run out from the inlet that's 3x the diameter (in most cases people using 6" ducting would need an 18" straight run at minimum), you can then proceed to use a gentle 90 as long as the centerline radius is at least 2.5x the diameter. I agree with Jason though. Use 45's where you can.
G’day from OZ. Just got home with my new Felder RL160 and am super excited to start the set up. Is this a brand you would have considered? Health is important to me and this is >.1 micron. This figure basically made me spend a lot more $ than I intended. Would be interested in any general feed back or this machine specially! Cheers
You can definitely expect a review video in a couple months.
Jason, I've watched this video three times now and I'm convinced that I haven't seen you mention grounding the ductwork. I've seen so many videos that make grounding sound really important and I've also heard experts say that it's unnecessary (e.g. when was the last time you heard about a dust explosion in a home shop). Personally, I don't think home shops generate nearly enough dust to be a problem. Your thoughts (my apologies if I missed them in an earlier video).
Also, are the 4 casters on the Gyro all full pivot or two straight/fixed and two pivot?
Thanks! Joe
I didn’t group any of the duct work. It is not needed with this duct. And I believe it’s two straight and two swivel but I am not 100% certain. It is extremely easy to move though.
How often do you need to clean out the side ports? My concern (and the general consensus from what I've seen) is that 700 CFM isn't enough to reliably separate the finest particulate which means a decent bit of it is probably getting to the filters (as compared to the more traditional ~1500CFM dust collectors in the same price range).
I haven’t get the need to clean them yet. I can’t speak for other machines
Hi Brent, My G-700 showed up this week and I'll get it off the pallet this weekend. I'm planning on putting in Norfab ductwork. The instructions that came with the unit said to keep the G-700 near the dust-producing equipment so that sorta worries me about running my ductwork to the ceiling. Since you've done what I'm planning on doing, have you had any issues pulling chips out of your joiner/planer?
I have not. Works great. I think you will be very pleased.
Jason, what would you think about placing a dustdeputy XL style Cyclone in front of the Blower? I love everything about this unit but I really dislike the bangs and pings when a piece of wood larger than a chip goes thru my impeller. (on my HF unit) BTW. Bought the g700 yesterday. looking forward to putting it through its paces
I wouldn’t personally. But the floor sweet is a non issue with me.
How's the G700 working out for you?
Thanks for the info. I am thinking of buying this unit will it will handle 12 inch jointer planer combo with straight knives. Also how do you get the 15% off
They are no longer offering the 15% off. However, they have been running a lot of flash sales lately. Sign up for their email list and you will get emails when they go on sale.
You, truly are the sucker of 'There's a sucker born every minute'
I don’t get it
Duct work makes the dream work.
Wait. That doesn't sound right.
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Have you filled up the dust bin yet? How often do you have to empty it?
Not yet no. But I will have to empty more frequently but it’s much easier to manage.
I have the same dust collector and my new shop has a set of stairs near the inlet. to navigate this I was going to use and offset fitting just like yours to hug it close to the wall. can you tell me the part #s of the fittings in the first 5 feet of your duct work?
I don’t have the part numbers but the piece with the bend is two 15 degree pieces reversed connected by the sleeves you would use to join a cut pipe
Do you have any recommendations for dust collection for a beginner DIY cabinet sanding project?
I think you would be fine with a standard shop vac
Do you have a 240 volt wall switch to control the 240 volt outlet? So you could leave the power on switch at the backside of the G700 in the “ON” position, and not have to reach over the top of the machine to turn on that switch. You could just flip the wall switch and your power would already be on, then use the controls to start running the dust collection. Especially if you have or build anything across the top. If so could you show how you did it?
I don’t. It just stays on. But if I did have to move it I would just pull the machine out after putting a surface over the top. It’s very easy to move around
@@bentswoodworking Thanks for the reply, greatly appreciated. So am I correct in assuming you leave the power switch on 24/7? If so does has it added significantly to your electrical bill?
Hello! I noticed you have a Kapex. Does the dust collection adapt to the hose for the Kapex and you get good extraction? Or do you have a Festool Vacuum connected to the Kapex? Thanks!
Did you have to do any sort of grounding of the duct work? I’m about to add a new system in my shop and half the people say I need to and half say I don’t.
I’m one of the people that say it isn’t necessary for most home shops. Definitely not with this duct work
No need to ground metal duct work. Not dealing with that question was another reason I went with the Nordfab ducting like Jason did,.
You know it's a quiet machine when the actual airflow through the duct work is the loudest part of your DC system.
Thank you for this video. Do you have any discount code as an ambassador for Harvey?
Unfortunately not anymore. I am an affiliate for them and I have a link on my website and in the description I believe for their website. Hopefully soon I will be able to get another discount code for everyone.
Moore suction less noise! That sounds like the ideal woman, but we all know that finding her is like finding a leprechaun! 🤣🛫
Awesome feedback on the your new system, I am looking forward to a follow up down the road.
I will definitely do one in the future
Few points. First off. Thanks for sharing. Hard not to be impressed and not to be jealous of your well equipped shop. However, Sure wish you’d disclose msrp, discounts, incentives, or freebies for all this stuff. If we want to consider a similar option at least we’d have a right idea of costs. Something else is function. Show us the dust bin and frequency of empty, ease of clean , etc. the cyclone type seemed very easy to use how does this compare, etc.
Also for your trial and error way to calculate flow. Seems like the oem or person who advised you (john?) should’ve given you a way to measure or calculate it. I guess a simple water column or some other way to measure delta p could be used to calculate flow. To just say it maxed out at abc is only partially helpful.
I’m actually researching machines and options now for my shop so this info sure could help. Thanks sir. Honestly though, Hard to daydream the stuff you have access to. You’re quite blessed. Happy for you.
Thx
All of that information will come in a later review video after I have used the machine extensively. I can’t share emptying a full dust bin when I haven’t yet filled it up. As for cost, I shared the price for the amount of duct work that I used. The Harvey Dust collection has been fluctuating quite a bit since it was released. It is currently listed at $2990 on the website. Last month it was on sale for $2300 and just the other day they had a flash sale at $1999, which is what I was invoiced for. I am an ambassador for Harvey now and they have even provided me with a discount code to offer my audience where you can save 15% off if you wanted to buy one for yourself. A common miss conception is that my shop is full of tools that I didn’t have to buy. That is definitely not the case. I am in a position now to work with companies, however, I am very careful with the companies I chose to promote/support. Also, with the CFM, I know how to calculate it the issue is the equipment I have, isn’t rated for the suction of the machine. Hopefully this information is more helpful for you. If you have any specific questions, feel free to email me or send me a DM on Instagram and I would be happy to help. Thank you for your input and suggestions 👍
According to the basic price online it’s $4200.
You need to go to the Harvey website. For some reason vendors are charging a very high price
I just have to say, when describing your experience ordering nordfab, I would’ve dreamed for even half that amount of service from Oneida. Last year I ordered a $3k+ cyclone and $4k worth of ductwork, and the customer service I received especially with respect to ductwork design and follow-thru/up was beyond disappointing and frustrating. Once the $$ was paid, it was as if I didn’t exist anymore. To anyone reading this, highly suggest looking for someone like Jason worked with instead.
I had an amazing experience
do you miss not being able to run a floor sweep on your dust collection system? its strange that the impeller is BEFORE the cyclonic function. Every lick of dust is passing over the impeller which means you don't want to vacuum up anything larger than a shaving. I cringe every time a small chunk of material gets sucked up in my harbor freight unit. It makes quite the hammering sound hitting the impeller.
I do not. Mainly because I never had one before. I just sweep stuff into a pile and the sweep it up into a pan.
How does the HOLDPEAK 866B Digital Anemometer compare to what you got? I'm a super novice in this area.
I like the Holdpeak one better, it just broke during testing
Dust collection seems to be getting more and more expensive. I know you can't put a price on safety, but you can put a price that makes safety impossible for some people :(
There are plenty of good options out there, this is just the one i chose
@@bentswoodworking Absolutely, and it looks amazing! I am a home woodworker (though just an amateur) and would love a quiet and safe solution especially because my kids play in the garage where the shop is. Unfortunately if you want those 2 things at any significant size you have to spend $2-3k which I cant really afford and the second hand market is sparse
i feel that it also makes a hefty price tag
About $4300
It isn’t cheap but it’s worth it for me
Bent's Woodworking and you can’t put a price on health. If you do it everyday it’s totally worth it. Nice set up!
What speed do you keep the machine set on?
75, full power always.
Is there an internal cyclone in that collector?
Not exactly. There are some pretty cool videos on their website that show how it operates
Sorry for asking this, but did you pay full retail for that Harvey or is it an ad?
My cost was $2000 which is the same cost they offered to everyone a few days ago. Additionally, what difference would that make? This video wasn’t an add nor would I put tools in my shop that I didn’t have confidence in. I don’t fill my shop with free tools contrary to popular belief
Bent's Woodworking thank you for this reply and always appreciate your transparency. I was waiting for someoone like yourself who I respect and follow on RUclips. I am going to order this unit because you showed it hooked up to duct work and showed air flow readings, convinced me. In addition I was actually looking at the 3hp Jet and Laguna, Oneida V3000 and Supercell. The new price and 15% off is what is going to push me over the edge. Any updates on performance you can share a couple weeks later?
When are you getting your Hammer?
In the next couple weeks hopefully
Hello Bent. What power does it require. Their site is confusing
It’s a 240 v tool
$4950.00 Australian to buy here in Australia 🇦🇺
I looked at the price for some of the equipment I have seen in your videos. I don't understand how you can afford it. The military must be paying way too much.
I invested everything from my sales back into my shop
So basically what you're saying is that Harvey really sucks. Good to hear.
Big time 🤣
That dust collector is sexy!!!
Agreed
550 cfm isn't a lot.
I get over 700 at each tool
You’re bad for me. I want to spend money 😩
I get that a lot 🤷🏼♂️🤣
🙄 Hz is a measurement of frequency... Noise is measured in decibels (dB) ... Sorry, I'll stop being THAT guy 😕
I am aware of that. The machine has variable power from 40-75 Hz. The noise level was 60 Db at 40 Hz and 77 Db at 75 Hz
This product is terrible. It takes 15 seconds to start up.