Fully Automated & Super Quiet Dust Collection
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2023
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Thank you all for your feedback, love the engagement! I've ordered an anemometer and will be checking to see if the closet is in fact TOO tight, which would reduce the power of the suction. If it is, I will definitely figure out some kind of venting solution! Stay tuned!
Place your bets here ladies and gentlemen!
👍 = No reduced suction power
👎 = Reduced suction power
If you find that you need an "exhaust" vent, I'd recommend placing it higher up in your cabinet to encourage the exhaust air to rush past the motor on its way out so it can be cooled. Those motors need lots of fresh air.
you don't need any equipment to measure static pressure on your blower, just use a tube and a bucket of water, measure how many inches the blower sucks the water up the tube vertically and that's your static pressure in Inches of Water Column (inch WC).
A vent to circulate air from the outside that's covered from the rain might solve the exhaust air needs without introducing more noise.
A make up air pipe to outside air will solve any issue, just like when they make a tiny utility closet with all the btus needed, a couple fresh air pipes will make life easy, without needing to sacrifice on noise reduction, in fact, you would be able to put an exterior rated door, with gaskets and all, and seal it the rest of the way
Is there enough of a gap for all the air the dust collector needs to move with it boxed in that room?
That’s the first thing I thought of when I saw the video. What about adding some HVAC filter enclosures at the top of the closet? It might make it a little louder, but then you’d have a much needed air. Otherwise that closet will be a giant vacuum.
I was thinking the same thing - could add an exhaust duct made of flexible pipe for a dozen feet or so, the flexible duct should help attenuate sound a good amount
Needs a noise baffle box on a reasonably-sized air return, and a sweep of some sort on the bottom of the door for noise
My concern exactly. I was going to box my collector in as well and thought that would kill its ability to move air properly, deciding to leave it in an open area in my shop. It is located on the farthest wall I could and since you should be wearing hearing protection while using power tools, the extra noise from it being left in the open was not a huge increase in overall noise. For me anyway. He needs to test airflow with and without that door open.... see if it causes any restrictions. My bet is it does with how well sealed the mini room is and only a small opening along the door bottom.
I would calculate this before doing it, but the eyeball says cutting about 2" (maybe less) off the bottom of the door would be adequate to vent the space.
The gap being at the floor will help keep the noise in check, plus your saw is a lot farther away from the DC in this shop.
Yeah, I know, I am another armchair quarterback.
First of all thats an awesome setup. A few others commented about air rectriction with the closet so well sealed. You may want to test that using a anemometer and the door opend vs closed.
Planning to do just that, I've got an anemometer on order! Thanks!
Great job quieting down your dust collector. That said, I think you’ve created a different problem. In an ideal world, the dust collector sucks in lots of air (and dust) and then expels the air through your large pleated filter. By sealing the dust collector in a separate “sealed room”, however, there’s nowhere for that air to go. So, assuming you didn’t install ducting to either another room or the outside, the air can only escape under the door or any cracks in your walls, greatly reducing your dust collector’s ability to draw in air/dust. As an analogy, think what would happen if you plugged your car’s exhaust tailpipe...the engine wouldn’t run. One way to check to see if I’m right is to use an anemometer at one of your blast gates with the door open and then with it closed to see the difference. If you see a big dropoff, you can either cut a vent in the door or add ducting to return the air to the room.
I had the same question because I caused a similar problem. In my case, my shop was in a basement and I mounted the DC upstairs. The suction was so strong without the "return air" returning to the shop that it sucked the garage door in so far I thought it was going to pull off of its tracks. I tried to "fix" it by cutting some holes in the floor but that just wasn't enough. I ended up relocating the DC in the basement.
I've ordered an anemometer and will definitely test it out!
Fantastic job! The shop is coming together nicely Johnny! 👍👍
Question on the dust collector... return air? I made an elaborate system to reduce the sound of mine but the big issue I came across was the return air system, Making it so I would not dump all my conditioned air outside... I placed a 2100 cfm fan followed by an elaborate baffle maze as to return the air w/o returning the sound with it...
I did not see any such return on your set up... did you dump the air outside? I look forward to hearing how your set up works over time...
There is no return air duct. It comes out of the filter and with the door closed gets forced under the door. Doubt he thought about this issue
@@bighammer3464 Thats what it looks like to me. Presonaly I would dump the the air outside via a plate heat exchanger and use that to condition replacement air comming into the shop.
Cool shop so far. You will likely need to put the filters on the outside of the closet to allow air to flow through the closet.
I was just wondering the same thing - putting the air intake into a closet that you want to seal up for sound transfer does not make sense. Really nice to see the shop coming together.
In an ideal world, the dust collector is sucking in lots of air (and dust) and then expelling the air through the large pleated filter. The problem is that the air has to go someplace. Assuming there’s no ducting to either another room or outside, the air can only escape under the door or any cracks in the walls. Restricting the airflow in this way, in turn, will likely lower the collector’s ability to draw in air/dust, reducing its efficiency. As an analogy, think what would happen if you plugged your car’s exhaust tailpipe...the engine wouldn’t be able to run.
@@tullyal I was wondering how much less efficient the dust collection would be with the door closed. I'd like to see him measure the wind-speed near a device collection area, or whatever the standard of measurement is.
@@UKCG_2 since the closet is already small, i think the best move is to relocate the filters to the shop area. then weatherstrip the door for sound isolation and perhaps a fresh air vent to the outside to keep the room from getting too hot from the motor.
Thanks Thomas, going to do some testing and see how things turn out!
Fantastic job. Workshop looking good.
You should attach the aircraft cable to the t-gride then run another wire to the wood above. so they are not in the middle of tiles! Love the content!
That is crazy loud. My Oneida is 77Db without a closet. Good job on fixing that problem.
OH SHIT, Your so close to 1M subs!!! So stoked to see that. I watch religiously every sunday! Congrats and cant wait to see the plack!
Shop is looking great can’t wait to see it finished
How are you taking into account the air return from the dust collector?
If that closet is as well sealed as it looks it’ll cause back pressure for that dust collector and you’ll loose a lot of power
Looks like an air gap under the door
Easy, he’s not taking it into account.
that vac pro system for the blast gates looks awesome! This is definitely a dream shop, Johnny!
Why are the exhaust filters inside the closet? How does the air get back into the room? I see a gap under the door, is that the only place?
I would move the exhaust filters into the workshop and fully seal the closet.
The filters are where most of the noise comes from on a dust collector, so moving that part outside would defeat the purpose. However, I agree he needs more air flow back into the shop. The gap at the bottom of the door isn't really enough and will cause heat buildup as well as decreased life and efficiency of the dust collector. The best way is to make a tortuous but unobstructed path for the air to return back to the shop...I would have designed the closet a little bigger and made some baffles and noise absorbing foam panels to reduce the sound, while allowing for a larger path for air/heat return. Or the best case is just put the whole thing outside...I guess he couldn't do that due to noise ordinances?
Love how thorough you’ve been in restoring your shop!! It’s great to see a person on here who cares about the details and cares about doing things the right way! Happy to be a new fan on your page from Canada ! Can’t wait to see more content ! 😁 also great job on the electrical work I have to say, as an electrician who does mostly residential work, bending emt conduit is the bane of my existence and you killed it !😅
Thanks so much, really appreciate that! I am definitely a little obsessive with the details but I love the way the shop came together.
That automated system is awesome.
Greetings from germany! Just found your "workshop-series" and watched it all in a day. Looking forward to new episodes! :)
Great video! Love the shop! FYI, a 10db difference is twice the sound level, so 70 db is twice as loud as 60db. So 14 db is still a lot quieter! That’s so insane!
Very nice. We are very jealous of your new workshop. We can only dream of such an extraction system! 😀
I built to chases on my sound enclosure closet. Each is 16 inches wide and 3.5 inches deep. One has an opening near the floor and the other has an opening near the ceiling. Each terminates in 12x12 vent on the exterior in opposing position. Each chase provides about 12 feet of linear distance to help dampen the sound. You know you have inadequate exit path when you can't close the door with the ClearVue running.
Looks good, nice set up. Would be interesting if the decibel reading was further reduced if you line the inside of the door with that pink insulation board
I love your videos, To help reduce the noise of the dust extractor you could put acoustic sound panels to capture the sound/ noise
You can put them on the inside of the door and all over the walls inside as well.
I think that would help a lot
Great video. Very inspiring!
Similar filters are used in dust collectors at concrete plants. Our old previous bag house had cloth filter socks with the vibrators attached to the metal racks the bags hung off of. The vibrators were set to turn on whenever the blower would cycle off.
I need to figure out a simple way to do this, any ideas?
@@craftedworkshop looks like you got it pretty down pat. Maybe some wood working shops or maybe on the tube or online might be helpful. Those vibrators get weaker and eventually need replaced over time. I'm just speaking from my experience of being a concrete truck driver for 35 years and being around concrete plants
@@craftedworkshop they still use socks, Its been many years since I climbed to the top of a silo and replaced or reattached a sock- I giggled when I saw "socks" I never knew that was the real name for them.
Love my Ivac system, saves a lot of time.
Awesome, Johnny! Fantastic work! 😃
It's really looking great in there!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks!
FYI... Those loops you used to hang your Gripples hangers on are called Footman loops.
The solid door is key. That said if you measure the hinge dimensions you could get a KD (knock down) metal frame. We have a company Precision Doors up here. They also sell vents that you can cut into those doors.
As for the tight squeeze, ask Jaime to weld the casters under the drum.
Shop is looking really nice.
I could weld the casters to the drum myself, that's a great idea!
@@craftedworkshop congratulations on your Millionth!!!
Small correction, a 10dB decrease/increase is a halving or doubling respectively not 100 times. (You need 10 times the power to make things twice as loud)
10 dB more is 10 times louder, 20 dB more is 100 times louder. The 14 dB difference here is about 25 times less noise. To double the sound is a bit less than 3 dB.
Sound transmission can be reduced by reducing vibrations too. For example, use proper rubber wheels on the drum. Use rubber matt between the drum-machine and wall. Use rubber-feet on the filter shaker etc.
So close to breaking 1M! Congrats
I wish more people did the zip-lock bag method when shipping furniture and stuff in the mail. I work at a postage company and the amount of times things come in with a tiny hole in the corner and turns out they shipped it with all the nuts and washers just tossed in loose so they fall out everywhere, really annoying. Ever if you don't have a zip-lock bag on hand a wad of tape works too, just anything to keep them contained.
Great video! Only I'd program the filter shaker differently. When you buy a dust collector with integrated vibrator on the filters it get's activated for like 10 seconds every time you turn of the dust collection. Instead of running it for an hour at night, I'd think that would heat up the motor too much.
I need to figure out the best way to implement that, I agree that'd be a better solution.
I was going to comment on the return air, but it looks like that already got covered. If there is any mitigation there, please mention it in your next video
For venting back without having awful noise, the solution has already been found and is applied in an object hat most of us own : a car. Specifically, a part of the car, the exhaust muffler. Make a box that has some bounces for the sound to be quiet. The resonator will need to be the right size to cancel out the right frequencies. I'm gonna make one for myself soon, and will ask my rocket scientist / air flux doctor brother-in-law to do the calculations for me, which is pretty lucky
I do split screen ads on my channel like you, but the phone outline was a very nice touch!
Enzo je hoeft echt niet zoveel jezelf te verantwoorden dat kinderen zo reageren is puur het tekort van kunnen nadenken en tekort aan verstand. Je doet het goed en geniet nogsteeds van AL je vlogs.
If you want to keep your hardware together while moving but don't have zip-loc bags (and it's late at night, day before moving, just wrapping up the final things, you know that moment if you've ever moved), use painter's tape! The paper stuff rips very easily and isn't super sticky, but sticks well enough to itself and is relatively durable. If you make a little pouch of hardware on an inside corner somewhere where it's unlikely to get bumped it's going to be very secure, and after moving you just rip off the painter's tape and it leaves no marks or sticky residue.
About to hit 1 million subs! Congrats
With that beautiful wide flange beam right across your space, will you be installing a rolling hoist? Not a critical tool in most shops, but nice to have sometimes for the heavy lifting.
Gripples are so useful for hanging things that need adjustments on the fly.
good video, I see a sub milestone approaching, congratulations in advance.
If you need to add venting for air intake for the vacuum, you can do baffled intake through one of the drywall cavities (air vent in at bottom, put some offset wood up through one cavity, and put the other vent at the top of the wall. Helps keep the noice from coming out that way. Then dont forget to put a door seal at the bottom. Thats a huge noise source. Lastly if you can, buy LMV (Loaded mass vinyl) sheets, and line the inside of the room, up around the motor. It will cut down on the high-pitch noises from the motor itself. Final option, put the intake filters outside the room, and fully seal that room entirely... just a thought. Great setup otherwise.
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Congrats on the 1M subs
an increase of 10 decibels is 100% louder (meaning its perceived twice as loud). not 100x louder. haha.
Board stretcher? Ha. Many, many years ago I was told it was hanging on the wall next to the left-handed crescent wrench. 😂
2 questions: Being in that cabinet would cause heat build up for that blower motor wouldn't it? 2nd, what do you do for the return air from the collector?
If its is possible the dust extractor should be set with at least a 1min over run before it shuts down and closes the blast gate to a clear any left over dust and shavings from the ductwork and B allow the dust to to fully clear the tool.
Where does all the exhaust air go without creating an airlock? What about the temperature level in this cabin? I could imagine that the suction power drops significantly.
A tip that might sound a bit crazy: transform your door into a soundproofing and ventilation element that also functions as a door! Make it 15+ inches thick and hollow - kind of like a box with door hinges. Form a "zig zag" channel inside from top to bottom with insulating material (e.g. rock wool). Allow the exhaust air to flow into the element on the inside on the left (near the filters) and out again on the right. This will significantly improve the soundproofing and prevent possible heat and performance problems.
I used this principle in an even more consistently insulated solution and achieved a (measured with the iPhone ;-) reduction of 30 dB...
a little bit of rigid foam on the back of the closet door will help even more with sound
I am just curious, what do you do for a living to support your shop? what is your background and schooling or training?
Great job on the Shop Johnny. I've loved watching it come together!!
Air makeup isn't an issue as the dust collector is still installed the same room. If you look the ceiling is open just with fiberglass insulation throughout the entire shop. The closet isn't 100% sealed, so no build up of pressure. Air is free to move within the ceiling.
@@just_a_guy_doing If you go to 9:42 it appears the closet goes up to the insulation from the floor above. But I am guessing there will be a reply to this next episode of the amazing shop build.
He doesn’t even build anything anymore. Just renovates a shop and moves his stuff lol
I would advise to make a hole in de ceiling and roof (through the attick)
Would you please list the information for your tool belt, suspenders, and tool pouch. Thx!
Try some engine compartment foam on the back of the door.
Hi, great video, canI ask a question the shelf is unit beside you dust collection, what is that for? Where did you get it and do you have a link to it? Appreciate your answer.
So you haven’t had a useable shop for over a year now? How have you gotten any work work done?
Great set up man, tell Erik to hook you up with a Perkin's Builders Tool Belt lol .....Just curious have you ever done a poker table build, I was looking through you videos but couldn't find one
I came fown here to comment, and tons of other people already have. Youre probably going to need to move your filters outside the closet for the air to be abke to escape, you've essentially created a high pressure room 😂
Most of my dust collected tools are in a little island in the middle of the shop, so I got a powered USB hub for all my iVac detectors. The length of the USB cable on them is pretty good for doing this.
It has made a huge difference in the air quality in the shop, though, so well worth the effort. I no longer have to change my furnace air filters every two months!!!!
I have micro switchs on the blast gates that turn on the extractor via 12v, Its not fancy, it works and is bullet proof- its been several years but I think wire and switches came out to less the $20 and covers a 30 X 60 work area and 7 tools.
@@tomr3422 I have employees, and what I have found is that the easier I make it for them to use the dust collection correctly, the more likely they are to get it right. If that works for you, great, but I wanted something a bit more fool proof. You turn on the machine, and everything just works correctly. Well worth the cost.
@@lightaces I have employees also, but I have taught mine that following the rules makes things easier for them- If thats too hard for some I guess we all cant have great folks that work for us. I guess it really boils down to you get what you pay for and some people will except less for less - good luck with your babby setting business.
@@tomr3422 I have great employees, they do wonderful work. We've been in business for 50 years, and I trust my employees to do very demanding work on very valuable customer property. But people make mistakes, and cutting a step out of the process to avoid them is worth a few dollars.
The other thing I really like about the automated blast gates is having the gates right at the trunk line instead of by the machines. It actually makes a difference, as near as I can tell, and it helps to avoid any issues with small leaks in the system further down a branch.
But hey, you do you. I love my dust collection system, and am more than happy with it's cost to performance ratio.
Question on the bandsaw power. Is that new plug no for a different amperage? If plugged into higher amperage circuit is there a risk of ove loadinf the saw without the breaker tripping?
I'm also trying to figure out the return air path. Is it through the attic insulation?
it looks like just under and around the door doesnt it.
Gotta get one of those draft blocker tubular pillow things to go along the bottom of the door. The inch and a half of gap ain't helping your sound blocking. haha
I did, hah! Just failed to mention it in the video.
Um, yeah. Cool closet, and great sound difference, but that air HAS to go somewhere as it leaves the filters. I might suggest an irrigation pipe the same size as your largest pipe coming from the closet. You could put a few dozen holes in the length as you like so that the air can escape all along the pipe and not create an air blower at the end of the pipe.
Closing that DC in means you have a MONSTER restriction in the flow. If I haven't convinced you, have a couple bean burritos and wear some latex pants for the rest of the day.
can you do an air flow test at one of your drops with the door open vs closed?
its spitting out quite a bit of air into a smal area that he is trying to give no place togo.
Will the dust collector motor not heat up in that air tight room 🔥💯
small correction: 10dB reduction -> half the perceived loudness. 14dB is closer to one-third.
Where does your exhaust air go, if the closet is sealed?
It would be better for the fan motor if the fan started BEFORE the blast gates open. Restricting the amount of air the fan moves and thus performs work on limits the starting current draw. Starting current is generally 4 - 6 times greater than running current. That's also why you want to limit the number of motor starts per hour, or you'll overheat the motor. The only catch would be if the blast gates have enough power to overcome the added friction to slide open with a vacuum on them. And lastly, as has been said, your GOESINTA has to equal your GOESOUTTA in the dust collector closet, else that will be the limiting choke point in the whole system. It would be cool (and quieter) if you could figure out how to duct the GOESOUTTA to the outside of the shop.
6:40 i'd reccomend using soap water instead of alcohol because alcohol usually makes the silicone stay sticky wich doesn't happen when using soap water
and with alcohol the silicon can get stuck in your teath when you drink the left overs.
Whats the benefit of Lexel over other clear silicones?
It's funny you mentioned Matt Cremona, because when you were doing the dust collection, I was thinking "wow, that's exactly what Matt Cremona just did." xD
I think I officially watch too many of these channels, lul.
@11:09 there's no such thing as "temporary" hearing damage to loud noise exposure. hearing damage is cumulative and permanent. the saying goes, "you don't hear anything, until you don't hear anything". you might think you're fine when the ringing goes away but in reality you've permanently damaged your hearing a bit. you don't notice until it's far too late.
11:24 a small correction a 10db difference is a 100% or 2x/½x diffence not 100x as every 10db you go up you double the voulume
Is there a hazard of the motor overheating in an enclosed, insulated closet like that?
Did the same thing in my old shop. I put a small vent on mine. Didn't really increase the sound. I was worried about back pressure. Any issues? My new shop, I vented outside.
You may want to contact SawStop, and Powermatic, I have a SawStop table saw, a Powermatic band saw and planer, as well as a Delta Palner - They all work just fine without dust collection as they should. If yours "barely works" Contact the manufacturer you are doing something really wrong.
@craftedworkshop how is the cfm at the end of a run? Im between this model or a Oneida high vacuum... ive got 10 machines to hook up!
My senior design project was to create a filter shaker. Way worse performance then wacky wavy inflatable air lines.
Fuking awesome
almost 1m subs!
f yeah! huge milestone and very well deserved
I didn’t see how air was exhausting from the closet. Without an air exhaust you will stifle the airflow as high as pressure builds up in the closet as you would be pushing air into a closed space.
Doesn’t this build significant positive pressure inside the closet? That would reduce the dust collection output a lot. Maybe I missed it. If vent to the outside at this point.
As others have already commented, you will need to figure out a solution to allow the filtered air back into the shop. Otherwise you are simply pressurizing that closet and eventually the motor will burn out.
The motor won't burn out. But yes, he is pressurizing that closet.
Stay safe and we'll see you next time.
How does the air exit the dust extractor closet?
You’re a drop away from 1M subscribers.
🙌🏼 let me be the first one to congratulate you
Coming along nicely, will there be heat generated by the dust collection system? If so how will under take that issue.
Yes!!
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Sound does not work as you have stated. And it usnt as simple. Our hearing also works as a non linear scale. For this reason a 10dB decrease is usually taken as a halving of percieved loudness. Sound power level actually halves in 3dB, while sound pressure level halves in 6dB. In addition we perceive different frequencies to increase or decrease at different rates: we are not as sensitive to very high or very low frequencies at low volume.
Spending that money like it comes from a trust fund!!
The air has to go somewhere. I don’t understand how that works if it’s airgap sealed.
Seeing a lot of comments but also concern about where your air pump will be discharging to…
999k lets geauxxx!!!
I'm just here to query along with so many... How are you dealing with air choking with your collection in a mostly sealed closet?
Air in and air out... Hard to breathe inside a bag.
should add sound proofing to the door