Keener is definitely one of the more memorable characters in the Division universe. It sucks how they handled him in Warlords of New York, but hopefully they can treat him a bit better in the upcoming season. And yes, Keener has always been right.
Well, I think he kinda had to die--he was a great foil/overarching bigbad for us over the course of Division 1 and even in Division 2 with the audio comms he left around DC, but if he wasn't out of the picture *somehow* then we'd have kept hunting him forever and Black Tusk would have rolled right the hell over us.
I've been thinking about the recruiter. What if he was a Division agent recruiter instead of a Hunter recruiter? What if he was sent to find agents he recruited? Who better than him? What if Keener is the only protection the Division had against the hunters? "You have no idea what you've done." Are his last words. Vanguard is a shield or protecter isn't it? I am very excited about season 3
Keener was one of the most intelligent villains in any Tom Clancy games since the mid 2000s, I was hooked on his story since Division 1. I hate they killed him for the extremely boring Sokolova character 😔
With all that we know now, I am just wondering why Keener was not found and killed by hunters before we could even pinpoint his location. He was the roguest of them all and yet the unit specifically designed to take out rogue agents is not the one dispatching him..
Maybe Cal didn’t want to put his hunters up against keener because of his good combat and high skill of manipulation. Cal gets pissed that we kill his hunters so I think holding off was his idea let Natalia’s men die trying instead
Cal probably don't think Keener as a threat. Or he is concern about his hunter being turned by Keener. Of course, there's also the possibility of the whole hunter being the third wave thing is just an afterthought.
Considering his skills and his Rogue allies, sending the Hunters in would heavily cripple Cal's wetwork force. Keener is easily Hunter+ on the powerscale with his combat expertise, abundant SHD tech disposal and extremely powerful allies. I don't think Cal would be dumb enough to waste resources on Keener ESPECIALLY when us, the Sheriff, who is easily the most feared combatant in lore was already gunning for him. Cal was smart enough to just let us and Keener wore each other out before swooping in for the ez kill.
I'm not talking about "final-form-Keener". I'm talking about him when he steered in the wrong for the first time. He didn't have all his puppets when he went rogue, but his steps were already known to be going in the worst possible direction. This is when a squad of 4 hunters could have killed him without breaking a sweat.
Next season is literally called Vanguard. Keener's callsign. I have a feeling were also gonna be waking up sleeping beauty this season. It seems like a perfect time to do it. Keener dead, Lau dead, and Shafer is the wild card for Lau. And if your theory of Lau and Kenner talking to each other is correct, then Shafer definitely knows what Keener's true intentions were
Getting to know Keener's motivations way after the fact in audio logs doesn't make me sympathize with his cause. He very well could have allowed himself to be captured, but he didn't. He wanted to hurt fast and hard. The missile on Liberty Island, imo, felt like it was more a surgical strike like the rocket the blew up our agent's helicopter in TD1 opening. Maybe we will find out he had Theo unlock Isac, Ana, and Diamond and so he was able to know exactly what was going on and where Calvin was. Maybe we'll find out the missile was going to attack a Natalia and Calvin meeting and our agent stopped it?
Now, knowing about the hidden city; it's possible that it was his target. Birdie made mention about how the plans showed short cuts were made on the building of it. Kener probably saw an overlooked means to deliver his virus to prevent such a safe space from being used if they got the football. Honestly speaking, the New York and Brooklyn underground areas would be a great place to set up a community as it comes already pre-made in the form of interconnected WW2 bunkers. Of which had to have huge pumps installed because of water table issues.
@@edvarduz I didn’t think Kelso would be rogue though… unless they are going to pull the “ole switcheroo” with cal and nat taking control of the division so they would be the bad guys and the rogues would be the good guys with the better AI in Anna storyline
There is a lot to unpack here, but I would guess that, despite all of the comms that we've heard that ISAC intercepts, we really have very little information on a lot of what happened between different characters in the game - whether, for example, Keener ever had interactions with someone like Faye Lau, in the days leading up to what happened on Liberty Island. One thing I do agree on is that I'm sure Keener knew more than we do. Whatever it was that Theo was able to achieve by making ANNA available to Rogues operating with Keener, I'm sure he found a lot more than we've learned. After all, when Keener's Rogues show up in the Operation Crossroads saga, they definitely seem to know more about the way that ISAC, ANNA, and Diamond work than your average Division Agent. And that's likely based on information which is at least a year old. I also agree that the way Keener went down didn't make much sense. Keener triggered an attack on Castle Clinton using the Eclipse virus and it killed almost everyone there in fairly short order, leaving a contaminated mess that could impact us even wearing the protective gear we have as Division agents. And, while I'm sure the payload on the missile on Liberty Island was significant, it was in no way big enough to impact everyone in NYC. As you pointed out, Eclipse kills almost instantly. The whole thing about the Green Poison is that people got sick and then it spread everywhere during that incubation period. Eclipse doesn't work that way as you said. The big challenge that militaries have had with chemical weapon delivery is in creating a dense enough concentration. Obviously with newer chemicals that may not be as significant a challenge, as the Iraquis proved in the Iran-Iraq war, but to cover a broad area you need multiple delivery systems, not one missile. But, what if the target of the missile was something that happened to be in NYC? Something that would allow Keener to get even further ahead? Something for which the comment he makes, "you don't know what you've done", would make more sense? What if the target of the missile was the Black Tusk HQ Bunker? While we know that Nat has been out and about in more recent months, largely because we've been killing off her lieutenants, maybe that wasn't the case during the WONY timeframe? Putting the eclipse virus on the BT HQ might have had an ENORMOUS impact on BT capabilities - perhaps the group that Keener regarded as the biggest REAL threat to his plans. You suggested that Keener intended to draw us in to highlight the bigger real threat to the Division, but if the missile had been launched at the BT HQ, and just impacting the area around that, it would have very much highlighted that Keener isn't working directly against the Division, but is working to prevent a bigger threat. (That said, the fact that the missile is sitting by a dock on the edge of Liberty Island in easy sight and shooting range of the BT Hovercraft makes ZERO sense that they couldn't have just shot the thing apart.) All this would make the activities on Liberty Island make more sense. BT is throwing everything they happen to have in the NYC area at Liberty Island as they've realised what Keener is planning. But they only have so much to hand. And while we saw Faye communicating with Schaeffer following Keener's death, I got the feeling long before we found that Schaeffer was working with Faye that he was actually setting things up for Division assets to take out BT crews - for example at Camp White Oak and at Manning National Zoo with the "competition". What makes less sense in this scenario is what Hornet and Jupiter executed following Keener's death. These attacks seemed to be more directly targeted at the Division, particularly Jupiter, although I suppose Hornet attacking Tidal Basin could have been more BT focused although we'd already taken Tidal Basin from BT at that point. Also, the rogues that are encountered in The Division: Compromised seem to be more focused on Keener's original mission of releasing the Eclipse virus in a more general attack. But, the fact that they had quantities of the virus stored in the Houston area doesn't mean that they were planning to use it against civilian targets. They could have been focused on BT targets. Plenty of them around, after all. Going back to Keener though, his death on Liberty Island made little sense. It was, in many ways, "too easy" an end to the DLC. Keener had BT running in circles, and also effectively avoided Hunters that I'm sure Cal was sending after him. Because, in the secret Hunter comms we get after Johnson dies, we know that Cal keeps directing Johnson back to Keener's rogues as better examples of targets for Hunters than Kelso. Kajika, Dragov, and Conley. Which suggests to me that he was trying to get to them and Keener and Keener was staying ahead. After all, none of the comms we get from any of that seem to indicate any fear of the Hunters. Why? Because Keener was steps ahead of the competition, and with his advanced SHD Tech maybe his skills weren't hackable by the Hunters. It would certainly explain why he couldn't be tracked down, although the rogue Agents in Division: Hunted certainly seemed to be impacted by the same jamming that regular agents were. Although Maira's skills couldn't be hacked by the Hunter and he had to flee from them. There's also something to the fact that Keener was a first wave agent and possibly had more insight on Cal than some of the later activated waves. Certainly with Conley having worked at Ortiz Robotics and being one of the first agents recruited it would make sense that Keener had heard things about Cal that we wouldn't have heard. Although Conley doesn't really strike me as someone to sit around story telling over drinks with Keener. Still, you never know. What we learned is that Johnson did training with Conley, and Johnson was a Hunter. In fact, we pretty much know that all the Hunters are Division Agents at this point. Did Conley know this? Hunters were obviously supposed to never talk, but someone must have speculated as to who they were and where they got their equipment from. Keener is exactly the sort of person to have been putting some of this together, if only to protect himself. I wonder if in the upcoming season we are trying to track down Keener's secret information stash - something similar to how J Edgar Hoover had a secret set of files on everyone. Information that would help us better understand his real goals, and just who he regarded as threats to his plans. Things that would provide more insight on what he'd been tracking between Cal and Nat, and that he was perhaps ahead of them as well. And yes, it would be very interesting if Keener was still alive, but that speculation doesn't seem to align with everything that's been in the story since. I guess we'll find out more soon!
9:40 I think that Fay Lau was a distraction so keener could leave the island / hide away for now. Since his revive hive does infact turn on as we leave.
8:50, this just made me have a realization, with the new descent comms, McManus was in New York doing the outbreak and was panicking, maybe through that panic state he said something and Keener overheard it, or some paperwork (digital or not) got left behind in a hurry and Keener stumbled upon it? I really want the first wave to be explored upon more because in the first game they implied very heavily that the first wave was very important to the story and lore
They’re probably gonna try and find a way to canonically justify his huge shift in character that would eventually get him killed in WoNY. I have my serious doubts about them being able to successfully pull it off, but I’ll admit, I’d start smiling like an idiot if we’ll get brand new comms with brand new voice lines from Keener and his original VO. Edit: I SERIOUSLY hope they won’t make it so it’ll be like “ACTUALLY, keener WANTED to be killed! It was part of his grand scheme!” That would be very unbelievable and kind of stupid, but maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am
imo itd be dumb if that was part of the plan for the beginning, however it'd be believable if that ended up being part of the plan once he realized the division is too focused on locating and neutralizing him than the threat he believes is bigger than him
The only way it makes sense is that something caused him to accelerate the time table. A WONY comms series actually shows Keener helping out a civilian so its not like he completely lost it.
Was so much hoping they we were to choose sides after WoNY, either join Keener or stay with the "infiltrated SHD", would have provided an interessting back/forth world with 2 sides captures zones and perhaps a rewamp to the DZ, with friendæies and hostile factions inside the pvp too... Keener was the hero we needed not the hero we deserved...
Agent Kelso should've been there with us in the battle against Keener, even if just as an unkillable NPC that only did reduced damage to him. She's a great character, her voice actress is amazing and she should have more presence in the story and during gameplay segments.
If keener was just straightforward with us, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill him. I’m hoping this next season will give us more insight into the ANNA network.
I want to know who he knew in the government. He found out something and worked with maybe Clare or McManus for a short time. He found a partner but didn't trust them. He probably killed hunters who were agents, that's why they never came for them.
After coming off the reveal of “Cassandra” bro you gotta be working on the story, or have someone inside is telling you. There’s no way you got that shit pretty much spot on with the meeting of the minds so to speak as to avoid spoiling it for others.
It does make me wonder. Maybe the eclipse missle was meant to hit an installation. Black Tusk HQ? The ground above the Underground City? Who knows? Reminds me of the dynamic between Foxhound and the Patriots back in Metal Gear Solid when Liquid was plotting his strike.
As far as I Remember, his Eclipse was designed to phase through air filters, witch is why breathing masks don't help as much as they should. So maybe his missle was aimed for Sokolova's Bunker. If it hit the Air supply, it could phase through the filters and still kill everyone inside. That would explain the BT-Involvement. So either he succeeded in destroying the BT-Bunker, or he gets killed by an Agend, what leads to the agends see the bigger picture. Both way's would play in Keeners favour
Was keener not a Wallstreet trader? As someone that dealt with numbers, I feel like he could see where the money was going and make judgements about who might be doing what. Like Sokolova dumping huge amounts of money into a robotics company. Just a thought there, assuming my memory is correct.
Aaron Keener is a very astute guy. Having a rogue team lineup and creating a setup plan to rid of other factions. He thought "smarter" not "harder" and also were 10 steps ahead of everyone. ✨✨ I think also he was trying to warn "The Division" but they were ignoring all signs. Lau knew and this was her GREAT OPTION to side with Keener since this was a "losing war." ✨✨ Thank you for the awesome video! Continue your great breakdowns! 😎✨✨✨
Maybe I'm reaching here, but the Keener from WONY almost looks like a different person than the Keener from The Division 1. They definitely look very "similar" but it really doesn't look like the same person. Granted, this might entirely be due to different people working on the character model but it's also slightly possible (albeit highly far fetched) that Keener used Theo's facial recognition hack from the Tombs mission to change what ISAC recognizes as Keener's likeness. It'd be an interesting twist to say the least.
Its a shame that tom clancy bit the bullet,but interestingly,the division seems to be one of the last of the games with his name that remembers what he wrote
A good story they could explore is exactly how they track the agents without the watches. They could come up with a pre story of them being a tracked via under the skin implanted GPS chips. Just a more scientific approach to explore.
Im wondering how the division 3 will tie into the story (if it will) as supposedly its from the perspective of a first wave agent and as we know keener was also a first wave agent
Actually, I find it quite sad that most of the antagonists in Tom Clancy series, division or ghost recon, are written better than "good" characters, and Ubisoft just drops them down the drain all the time. I hated killing Keener, because, despite his methods, he had motivation and reasons to act. It would be a sick move if ubi allowed us to side with him in the end of warlords.
The theory I have maintained since Warlords is that WE DID NOT KILL Keener; we killed a true believer in Keener’s cause who acted as a “cutout”. A “cutout” in espionage parlance is agent who functions as an intermediary between a spymaster and other subagents. Keener recruited this guy to act as him, run this false flag op to get the Division’s attention, and when they died in the process, it wasn't all part of the plan. The only thing I think Keener actually needed from the story of Warlords was the Rogue network and replacing Keener’s biometrics in ISAC so he could operate with everyone thinking he was died.
Keener was asking us "who can you trust?" Remember that some our agents in division can be hunters. He knew all too well. As for his tech. It's not shd. It's rogue tech. Keener was able to use ANNA, to hack warhounds and quad-copper to take full control. Not to mention he was able to completely shutdown our skills. I think he was trying to show us this and bigger picture of what was going on with black tusk and McManus. He also has agents in black tusk, but don't know who. I had similar thoughts about the payload and where he was targeting. Maybe haven... not sure.
Great video and i am excited to see what this week has in store for us! I really like dthe part where you allueded to the fact that maybe Faye and Keener DID have a conversation before we killed him on liberty island. The fact that Keener's influence is still around means exciting things ahead. I still wanna believe he's out there somewhere hiding...
Like someone said in the comments before. What we know now and knowing what the hunters im a very surprised that keener wasnt hunted. He is literally the rogue of all rogues and how they didnt hunt him down im very surprised. Wouldnt be suprised if we become label as rogue next season. Us and kelso. Cant wait love the story in division and another great video @ngn 👌
Ur statement is somewhat correct,or maybe keener left something for us to know the real enemy,that why his watch stated Cassandra was reactivated to follow some breadcrumbs to claim a prize.But can’t wait for couple weeks and maybe resurgence might have some lore in it too ;)
Maybe mate. Im just hoping we get clues or some insight in how he managed to avoid the hunters. Just hoping also kelso dont go rogue or becomes a hunter 🙏
I knew something off after i finally beat Kenner almost like when i first heard when said"you won't stop what's coming"Almost like he's was trying to warn ALL of us.but now it's FAR to late and we have a War to win,and he was Right.but it still does not mean we have job to do..we need to Find ANNA.and wake up Baron as soon as possible.We have them on our side..we may have a fighting chance.
I remember the last mission in the DLC, and talking to my buddy about how I kinda relate to/understand keener. The scariest villains/enemies, are the ones that make sense.
I have a little bit over a year of playing D2. One thing i wish they'd do is work in a little bit more story telling cut scenes into every stage of the seasons. Im really looking forward to the learning more of the story this season.
Wait, when WoNY dropped, D2 wasn't really planning on more content. It was supposed to be the end of D2, as far as THAT storyline. Then within a year or so they switched gears and decided more content was coming. Am I misremembering?
I stated before that it would’ve been funny if Isaac was hacked to confirm Keeners demise and right before the agents caught up to him he took a chemical agent that would slow down his vitals to the point of being presumed dead by Issac. I know….. I know it sounds crazy…..but man that would be mind blowing for the Division storyline ⭕️
Thank u for another great content. You're the one that has been answering most of questions u were right about agent Johnson as well plz see if u can find out about Schaefer also wen r we getting sum get back wit that lady & the black tusk
Keener’s death always felt like the team being asked to give a big splash to the DLC as a last big hurrah for Div2. It really felt like they were going to put it on ice. Then they turned things slowly around and revitalized it. So this all feels like a bit of retro-active re-work. And I’m happy for it! But it was definitely a too-quick end for his character. I hope they can weave him into things in an interesting way.
I wish we had a clear time line of where we're at right now. Given I've read all three crossroads books, I feel like we know so much about what's going to happen, but with no clear indication of where we are in game.
If the rogues use ANNA then what do the Hunters use? Season 05 is going to bring in some interesting bits. Keener wasn’t a villain. He knew something that everyone else didn’t
Trying to pin some good intentions on an egomaniacal, self-serving, self-righteous, master manipulator, is troubling, to say the least. A guy who just wanted to see most of society burn, and rule over whoever or whatever remained. What did Varys say about Littlefinger, in Game of Thrones? "He would see this country burn, if he could be king of the ashes."
Exactly. The game literally made Keener try to launch a missile with a bloody bioweapon that would be even worse than the Money Flu on what remained of New York City if he wasnt stopped, and trying to make him out as some kind of misunderstood superhero warrior is a complete distortion of the entire story. What is appalling is that this video had any kind of positive feedback at all instead of being called out as whitewashing a very specifically designated villain.
Div 2 really need another keener, someone that is actually on the field making moves unlike sokolova and the other guy just sitting on their lab testing shits.
It's interesting you're interpretation on these comms my opinion is I think in cleaners sick and twisted way I really do think that Keener did see the bigger picture behind everything but I think because the story took so many twists I think that that's why there was so much confusion because of the fact that there were so many cars and so many twists within the story
I feel like keener helped set up the division and help train the agents and hunter program. Then he started to hear McManus was working with a pmc, keener was then activated and McManus pulls the jtf to eliminated a loose end and leave keener and his crew to die.
Division I was and is one of my all-time favorite games and storylines ... and I've been "in the game" for decades. There are "rumors" that certain launches in and around 2020 were made to be problematic if there was a "too close to target" assessment of some of those games undertones. Keener and certain aspects such as Dark Winter might have been part of that equation in that time frame. Regardless, when I completed Liberty Island, I quit Division forever and divorced Ubi
My theory is keener always intended to be taken out by the division agents, his death would leave more questions than answers which was true we dont know what his plans were but he knew the division would dedicate resources to find out and in the process potentially turning more agents rogue (including our agent) hopefully the new season will shed some light on it.
Keener was a truly remarkable one. The ending always felt wrong to me, and his dialogue to you specifically always made it feel like he was prepping you
So this is not related to the Keener lore, but hey isn't it cool we got some LMB reference in the new gear set, mainly the chest piece and backpack!? Hopefully this points to us having a LMB apparel event or bundle.
From his communications saying things like "you have no idea what you're doing." I would say his death was not planned, though I agree I wish it was. He also activates the rogue protocol which seems like a contingency for his death, not something you wait until you're bleeding out to do if it's part of your plan. I mean to be fair, we're supposed to be playing as an agent that's a little better than Keener. Sure he knows the truth but he wants to go about it the wrong way. You don't kill civilians in order to wipe the slate clean, you erase the dirty spots, I think that's something the agent we play as can do that Keener could never do. Either that or we'll fall from grace in the 3rd game (which they hint at through some communications around DC and New York) they talk about "who decides what 'rogue' is?" Isac does but it doesn't mean because you don't obey protocols that you're not a good guy. Keener tried to be a good guy and look where that got him? Hundreds of dead civilians and he almost died too, no backup. Perhaps our agent will do something similar by accident and get forced into "rogue" status without necessarily trying to. As for the DLC I'm sure it will focus on setting up the next game in some way and explaining Keener's slow decent into villainhood.
Nice to see my own thoughts on all this validated. I've been saying for a long time now that I think Keener may have been right, and the big twist will be that we shouldn't have offed him. There's still the gigantic mystery of what the F happened with our Div 1 Agent as well, whom Keener took great personal interest in, almost like he was grooming them.
Hmmm, maybe keener was going to use the eclipse to take out Nat or Cal I don't know. But you talking about the how the virus worked certainly got me thinking.
Came back to the game yesterday, fought keener today and was disappointed. My active thought was: "this cant be it". And then he shocks you, runs away and dies. How pathetic.
With this new season, im almost scared cause if we find out my girl Kelso is rouge or something and becomes a target my heart might break, she is my favorite Agent in all of the known lore of the Division franchise.
it's a headhunter build. go with 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest piece, airaldi backpack with vigilance. put "determined" talent on your sniper. when you get the first shot and a headshot kill, all next shots count as headshot because of determined as long as you are killing enemies with 1 shot. headhunter talent on chainkiller will increase your headshot dmg by each headshot kill
One of the only parts I disliked about WoNY was that we had to ice Keener at the end. I think he might be in the top ten shadow threats of all time. When he was in the shadows taunting us I really developed a dislike of the man. Now Nat is in the shadows and thinking several moves ahead of us. While I enjoy that I kind of would have liked to see Nat and Keener playing us like a twisted game of chess.. which might be what we get.
I think faye lou is not dead. I bet that missle was intended for the black tusk bunker. That was once it hit the virus would kill them quickly even if the blast didn't.
In last manhunt. one of the default boxart protagonist, agent johnson, turn out to be hunter. at this point im trust keener more than any other agent from SHD now.
Even if the Liberty Island story isn't turned around as a faked death of Keener for his secret dealings, I'd be glad for at least the chance to hear the voice of this handsome bastard in a comms.
But I think also too like you said Keener had the kind of like lay low because of the fact that he was a man named man but this is also my opinion is Keener doing his own investigation like you said so what he had to do was move through the shadows in order to find out what was all behind everything in order to not get caught
I really was disappointed that we killed Keener in Warlords. I always envisioned him as the final boss of the series, a perennial threat always one step ahead of us the entire time.
I've mentioned it before, but i wonder why Keener and Dragov rescued that fireman and his family. I wonder what resemble he had to keener. Maybe he was a double.
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Keener is definitely one of the more memorable characters in the Division universe. It sucks how they handled him in Warlords of New York, but hopefully they can treat him a bit better in the upcoming season. And yes, Keener has always been right.
Well, I think he kinda had to die--he was a great foil/overarching bigbad for us over the course of Division 1 and even in Division 2 with the audio comms he left around DC, but if he wasn't out of the picture *somehow* then we'd have kept hunting him forever and Black Tusk would have rolled right the hell over us.
He had to die so we can focus on something bigger
I all ways thought kennier was on to something
How they gonna treat him better? His corpse is rotting on Liberty Island.
@whackronomicon maybe they'll give him a nice funeral?
Keener: I'm not the agent the Division needs. I'm the agent the Division deserves.
I would say more of a redhood than batman, after all he did team up with a PMC, then betrayed them, then some months down the road became a anti-hero
I've been thinking about the recruiter. What if he was a Division agent recruiter instead of a Hunter recruiter? What if he was sent to find agents he recruited? Who better than him? What if Keener is the only protection the Division had against the hunters? "You have no idea what you've done." Are his last words. Vanguard is a shield or protecter isn't it? I am very excited about season 3
Ubisoft makes good villians, but makes somewhat now bad games
The division franchise is the exception of a bad game. I love the division 1 and 2.
Keener : I'm not a Division Agent I am the Division
Keener was one of the most intelligent villains in any Tom Clancy games since the mid 2000s, I was hooked on his story since Division 1. I hate they killed him for the extremely boring Sokolova character 😔
He's not dead
@@Slickjack80 care to enlighten on how keener isnt packed up cause the agents(us) did take out keener unless theres something i dont know of
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With all that we know now, I am just wondering why Keener was not found and killed by hunters before we could even pinpoint his location. He was the roguest of them all and yet the unit specifically designed to take out rogue agents is not the one dispatching him..
Maybe Cal didn’t want to put his hunters up against keener because of his good combat and high skill of manipulation. Cal gets pissed that we kill his hunters so I think holding off was his idea let Natalia’s men die trying instead
Cal probably don't think Keener as a threat. Or he is concern about his hunter being turned by Keener. Of course, there's also the possibility of the whole hunter being the third wave thing is just an afterthought.
Considering his skills and his Rogue allies, sending the Hunters in would heavily cripple Cal's wetwork force. Keener is easily Hunter+ on the powerscale with his combat expertise, abundant SHD tech disposal and extremely powerful allies. I don't think Cal would be dumb enough to waste resources on Keener ESPECIALLY when us, the Sheriff, who is easily the most feared combatant in lore was already gunning for him. Cal was smart enough to just let us and Keener wore each other out before swooping in for the ez kill.
I'm not talking about "final-form-Keener". I'm talking about him when he steered in the wrong for the first time. He didn't have all his puppets when he went rogue, but his steps were already known to be going in the worst possible direction. This is when a squad of 4 hunters could have killed him without breaking a sweat.
Next season is literally called Vanguard. Keener's callsign. I have a feeling were also gonna be waking up sleeping beauty this season. It seems like a perfect time to do it. Keener dead, Lau dead, and Shafer is the wild card for Lau. And if your theory of Lau and Kenner talking to each other is correct, then Shafer definitely knows what Keener's true intentions were
What if keener isn’t dead
@@wilsonsantiago3095that would be very dumb
@@caingamin2how so?
@@caingamin2extremely dumb
@@wilsonsantiago3095he is dead he bled out in front of us
Getting to know Keener's motivations way after the fact in audio logs doesn't make me sympathize with his cause. He very well could have allowed himself to be captured, but he didn't. He wanted to hurt fast and hard. The missile on Liberty Island, imo, felt like it was more a surgical strike like the rocket the blew up our agent's helicopter in TD1 opening. Maybe we will find out he had Theo unlock Isac, Ana, and Diamond and so he was able to know exactly what was going on and where Calvin was. Maybe we'll find out the missile was going to attack a Natalia and Calvin meeting and our agent stopped it?
Now, knowing about the hidden city; it's possible that it was his target.
Birdie made mention about how the plans showed short cuts were made on the building of it. Kener probably saw an overlooked means to deliver his virus to prevent such a safe space from being used if they got the football.
Honestly speaking, the New York and Brooklyn underground areas would be a great place to set up a community as it comes already pre-made in the form of interconnected WW2 bunkers. Of which had to have huge pumps installed because of water table issues.
Also it could be McManus's bunker where he was hiding during division 1.
@@kk-gr3lyat ground zero what are the odds the bunker is gonna be in the dark zone in midtown where it all started
@@patriotamerican3426 Back to the dark zone denizen of hell that was Midtown.... dear god that was creepy at night
So, a bit like one of the Descent areas...
Next season is keeners call sign. I hope Theo switched his facial recognition and keeners still alive and try’s recruiting us and gives us Ana
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@@edvarduz I didn’t think Kelso would be rogue though… unless they are going to pull the “ole switcheroo” with cal and nat taking control of the division so they would be the bad guys and the rogues would be the good guys with the better AI in Anna storyline
Boy do I have news for you pal
There is a lot to unpack here, but I would guess that, despite all of the comms that we've heard that ISAC intercepts, we really have very little information on a lot of what happened between different characters in the game - whether, for example, Keener ever had interactions with someone like Faye Lau, in the days leading up to what happened on Liberty Island.
One thing I do agree on is that I'm sure Keener knew more than we do. Whatever it was that Theo was able to achieve by making ANNA available to Rogues operating with Keener, I'm sure he found a lot more than we've learned. After all, when Keener's Rogues show up in the Operation Crossroads saga, they definitely seem to know more about the way that ISAC, ANNA, and Diamond work than your average Division Agent. And that's likely based on information which is at least a year old.
I also agree that the way Keener went down didn't make much sense. Keener triggered an attack on Castle Clinton using the Eclipse virus and it killed almost everyone there in fairly short order, leaving a contaminated mess that could impact us even wearing the protective gear we have as Division agents. And, while I'm sure the payload on the missile on Liberty Island was significant, it was in no way big enough to impact everyone in NYC. As you pointed out, Eclipse kills almost instantly. The whole thing about the Green Poison is that people got sick and then it spread everywhere during that incubation period. Eclipse doesn't work that way as you said. The big challenge that militaries have had with chemical weapon delivery is in creating a dense enough concentration. Obviously with newer chemicals that may not be as significant a challenge, as the Iraquis proved in the Iran-Iraq war, but to cover a broad area you need multiple delivery systems, not one missile.
But, what if the target of the missile was something that happened to be in NYC? Something that would allow Keener to get even further ahead? Something for which the comment he makes, "you don't know what you've done", would make more sense? What if the target of the missile was the Black Tusk HQ Bunker? While we know that Nat has been out and about in more recent months, largely because we've been killing off her lieutenants, maybe that wasn't the case during the WONY timeframe? Putting the eclipse virus on the BT HQ might have had an ENORMOUS impact on BT capabilities - perhaps the group that Keener regarded as the biggest REAL threat to his plans. You suggested that Keener intended to draw us in to highlight the bigger real threat to the Division, but if the missile had been launched at the BT HQ, and just impacting the area around that, it would have very much highlighted that Keener isn't working directly against the Division, but is working to prevent a bigger threat. (That said, the fact that the missile is sitting by a dock on the edge of Liberty Island in easy sight and shooting range of the BT Hovercraft makes ZERO sense that they couldn't have just shot the thing apart.)
All this would make the activities on Liberty Island make more sense. BT is throwing everything they happen to have in the NYC area at Liberty Island as they've realised what Keener is planning. But they only have so much to hand. And while we saw Faye communicating with Schaeffer following Keener's death, I got the feeling long before we found that Schaeffer was working with Faye that he was actually setting things up for Division assets to take out BT crews - for example at Camp White Oak and at Manning National Zoo with the "competition".
What makes less sense in this scenario is what Hornet and Jupiter executed following Keener's death. These attacks seemed to be more directly targeted at the Division, particularly Jupiter, although I suppose Hornet attacking Tidal Basin could have been more BT focused although we'd already taken Tidal Basin from BT at that point. Also, the rogues that are encountered in The Division: Compromised seem to be more focused on Keener's original mission of releasing the Eclipse virus in a more general attack. But, the fact that they had quantities of the virus stored in the Houston area doesn't mean that they were planning to use it against civilian targets. They could have been focused on BT targets. Plenty of them around, after all.
Going back to Keener though, his death on Liberty Island made little sense. It was, in many ways, "too easy" an end to the DLC. Keener had BT running in circles, and also effectively avoided Hunters that I'm sure Cal was sending after him. Because, in the secret Hunter comms we get after Johnson dies, we know that Cal keeps directing Johnson back to Keener's rogues as better examples of targets for Hunters than Kelso. Kajika, Dragov, and Conley. Which suggests to me that he was trying to get to them and Keener and Keener was staying ahead. After all, none of the comms we get from any of that seem to indicate any fear of the Hunters. Why? Because Keener was steps ahead of the competition, and with his advanced SHD Tech maybe his skills weren't hackable by the Hunters. It would certainly explain why he couldn't be tracked down, although the rogue Agents in Division: Hunted certainly seemed to be impacted by the same jamming that regular agents were. Although Maira's skills couldn't be hacked by the Hunter and he had to flee from them.
There's also something to the fact that Keener was a first wave agent and possibly had more insight on Cal than some of the later activated waves. Certainly with Conley having worked at Ortiz Robotics and being one of the first agents recruited it would make sense that Keener had heard things about Cal that we wouldn't have heard. Although Conley doesn't really strike me as someone to sit around story telling over drinks with Keener. Still, you never know. What we learned is that Johnson did training with Conley, and Johnson was a Hunter. In fact, we pretty much know that all the Hunters are Division Agents at this point. Did Conley know this? Hunters were obviously supposed to never talk, but someone must have speculated as to who they were and where they got their equipment from. Keener is exactly the sort of person to have been putting some of this together, if only to protect himself.
I wonder if in the upcoming season we are trying to track down Keener's secret information stash - something similar to how J Edgar Hoover had a secret set of files on everyone. Information that would help us better understand his real goals, and just who he regarded as threats to his plans. Things that would provide more insight on what he'd been tracking between Cal and Nat, and that he was perhaps ahead of them as well. And yes, it would be very interesting if Keener was still alive, but that speculation doesn't seem to align with everything that's been in the story since.
I guess we'll find out more soon!
Keener lives! His revive hive turned on as we walked away.
9:40
I think that Fay Lau was a distraction so keener could leave the island / hide away for now. Since his revive hive does infact turn on as we leave.
I feel bad for the jtf I don’t know of a single time in devision lore that they have actually won without direct devision intervention
8:50, this just made me have a realization, with the new descent comms, McManus was in New York doing the outbreak and was panicking, maybe through that panic state he said something and Keener overheard it, or some paperwork (digital or not) got left behind in a hurry and Keener stumbled upon it? I really want the first wave to be explored upon more because in the first game they implied very heavily that the first wave was very important to the story and lore
They’re probably gonna try and find a way to canonically justify his huge shift in character that would eventually get him killed in WoNY. I have my serious doubts about them being able to successfully pull it off, but I’ll admit, I’d start smiling like an idiot if we’ll get brand new comms with brand new voice lines from Keener and his original VO.
Edit: I SERIOUSLY hope they won’t make it so it’ll be like “ACTUALLY, keener WANTED to be killed! It was part of his grand scheme!”
That would be very unbelievable and kind of stupid, but maybe I’m wrong. I hope I am
imo itd be dumb if that was part of the plan for the beginning, however it'd be believable if that ended up being part of the plan once he realized the division is too focused on locating and neutralizing him than the threat he believes is bigger than him
The only way it makes sense is that something caused him to accelerate the time table. A WONY comms series actually shows Keener helping out a civilian so its not like he completely lost it.
Was so much hoping they we were to choose sides after WoNY, either join Keener or stay with the "infiltrated SHD", would have provided an interessting back/forth world with 2 sides captures zones and perhaps a rewamp to the DZ, with friendæies and hostile factions inside the pvp too...
Keener was the hero we needed not the hero we deserved...
That would be sick
Mannnn I would’ve easily became a rogue agent with Keener
@@joshuamartinez6381 yep, me too 😎
I thought you were about to kill that red panda
Keener was indeed right
After yesterday I don’t know who to follow anymore
@@cronx6167
Follow what you know to be right
Agent Kelso should've been there with us in the battle against Keener, even if just as an unkillable NPC that only did reduced damage to him. She's a great character, her voice actress is amazing and she should have more presence in the story and during gameplay segments.
If keener was just straightforward with us, maybe we wouldn’t have to kill him. I’m hoping this next season will give us more insight into the ANNA network.
I want to know who he knew in the government. He found out something and worked with maybe Clare or McManus for a short time. He found a partner but didn't trust them. He probably killed hunters who were agents, that's why they never came for them.
i am gonna say Cal used keener as a smoke screen for the SHD
@@MCD10000 I think you're right. I think once Keener found out the black Tusk involvement he used his eclipse virus to hurt potential hunters.
Randomly found this channel. 10/10. Subbed.
This aged well
After coming off the reveal of “Cassandra” bro you gotta be working on the story, or have someone inside is telling you. There’s no way you got that shit pretty much spot on with the meeting of the minds so to speak as to avoid spoiling it for others.
It does make me wonder. Maybe the eclipse missle was meant to hit an installation. Black Tusk HQ? The ground above the Underground City? Who knows?
Reminds me of the dynamic between Foxhound and the Patriots back in Metal Gear Solid when Liquid was plotting his strike.
Keener was absolutely right
So if Keeners virus kill your relatives he is still god, Virus has no remorse !
As far as I Remember, his Eclipse was designed to phase through air filters, witch is why breathing masks don't help as much as they should. So maybe his missle was aimed for Sokolova's Bunker. If it hit the Air supply, it could phase through the filters and still kill everyone inside. That would explain the BT-Involvement.
So either he succeeded in destroying the BT-Bunker, or he gets killed by an Agend, what leads to the agends see the bigger picture. Both way's would play in Keeners favour
Was keener not a Wallstreet trader? As someone that dealt with numbers, I feel like he could see where the money was going and make judgements about who might be doing what. Like Sokolova dumping huge amounts of money into a robotics company. Just a thought there, assuming my memory is correct.
Aaron Keener is a very astute guy. Having a rogue team lineup and creating a setup plan to rid of other factions. He thought "smarter" not "harder" and also were 10 steps ahead of everyone. ✨✨
I think also he was trying to warn "The Division" but they were ignoring all signs. Lau knew and this was her GREAT OPTION to side with Keener since this was a "losing war." ✨✨
Thank you for the awesome video! Continue your great breakdowns! 😎✨✨✨
It's like that saying from "Slow Burn" ..."The pocket you in, ain't always the pocket you in".
Maybe I'm reaching here, but the Keener from WONY almost looks like a different person than the Keener from The Division 1. They definitely look very "similar" but it really doesn't look like the same person. Granted, this might entirely be due to different people working on the character model but it's also slightly possible (albeit highly far fetched) that Keener used Theo's facial recognition hack from the Tombs mission to change what ISAC recognizes as Keener's likeness. It'd be an interesting twist to say the least.
Rhodes fixed that, during the mission.
As homie said rhodes fixed that BUT still could work as an amazing plot twist
I have the burning urge to say, "Called it!" but....
Its a shame that tom clancy bit the bullet,but interestingly,the division seems to be one of the last of the games with his name that remembers what he wrote
A good story they could explore is exactly how they track the agents without the watches. They could come up with a pre story of them being a tracked via under the skin implanted GPS chips. Just a more scientific approach to explore.
Sounds like something a disavowed agent would say
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ISAC, crease his Jay's.
I’ve said it before I hate lore videos like the plague ….. I love yours - thanks for the entertainment !!!!❤️
Im wondering how the division 3 will tie into the story (if it will) as supposedly its from the perspective of a first wave agent and as we know keener was also a first wave agent
Actually, I find it quite sad that most of the antagonists in Tom Clancy series, division or ghost recon, are written better than "good" characters, and Ubisoft just drops them down the drain all the time. I hated killing Keener, because, despite his methods, he had motivation and reasons to act. It would be a sick move if ubi allowed us to side with him in the end of warlords.
The theory I have maintained since Warlords is that WE DID NOT KILL Keener; we killed a true believer in Keener’s cause who acted as a “cutout”. A “cutout” in espionage parlance is agent who functions as an intermediary between a spymaster and other subagents. Keener recruited this guy to act as him, run this false flag op to get the Division’s attention, and when they died in the process, it wasn't all part of the plan. The only thing I think Keener actually needed from the story of Warlords was the Rogue network and replacing Keener’s biometrics in ISAC so he could operate with everyone thinking he was died.
We have Keener's SHD Agent ID Card though, face's the same, so it's not ISAC that's been fooled
He may had gone nuts, but he's right.
Man doesnt miss
Brilliant analysis, as always, thank you.
You got me at 10:24. I was like "Oh no! :(" and Im glad, that red panda survived
Keener was asking us "who can you trust?" Remember that some our agents in division can be hunters. He knew all too well. As for his tech. It's not shd. It's rogue tech. Keener was able to use ANNA, to hack warhounds and quad-copper to take full control. Not to mention he was able to completely shutdown our skills. I think he was trying to show us this and bigger picture of what was going on with black tusk and McManus. He also has agents in black tusk, but don't know who. I had similar thoughts about the payload and where he was targeting. Maybe haven... not sure.
the rogue tech is still SHD tech, it gets called out as rogue tech because of how/who deploys it
Im still not convinced Keener is dead, remember what Theo Parnell said "you shouldn't trust ISAC, you really should be more careful"
Would be so cool if he’s alive , maybe he hacked ISAC and tricked us to thinking he’s dead
He is alive so is Theo Kelso went rogue
Anybody who's played both games knows that he was right, or they should know that even if they're not big on lore.
Great video and i am excited to see what this week has in store for us! I really like dthe part where you allueded to the fact that maybe Faye and Keener DID have a conversation before we killed him on liberty island. The fact that Keener's influence is still around means exciting things ahead. I still wanna believe he's out there somewhere hiding...
Like someone said in the comments before. What we know now and knowing what the hunters im a very surprised that keener wasnt hunted. He is literally the rogue of all rogues and how they didnt hunt him down im very surprised. Wouldnt be suprised if we become label as rogue next season. Us and kelso. Cant wait love the story in division and another great video @ngn 👌
Ur statement is somewhat correct,or maybe keener left something for us to know the real enemy,that why his watch stated Cassandra was reactivated to follow some breadcrumbs to claim a prize.But can’t wait for couple weeks and maybe resurgence might have some lore in it too ;)
Maybe mate. Im just hoping we get clues or some insight in how he managed to avoid the hunters. Just hoping also kelso dont go rogue or becomes a hunter 🙏
You were right bro
Thank you as always!
I knew something off after i finally beat Kenner almost like when i first heard when said"you won't stop what's coming"Almost like he's was trying to warn ALL of us.but now it's FAR to late and we have a War to win,and he was Right.but it still does not mean we have job to do..we need to Find ANNA.and wake up Baron as soon as possible.We have them on our side..we may have a fighting chance.
I remember the last mission in the DLC, and talking to my buddy about how I kinda relate to/understand keener.
The scariest villains/enemies, are the ones that make sense.
I have a little bit over a year of playing D2. One thing i wish they'd do is work in a little bit more story telling cut scenes into every stage of the seasons. Im really looking forward to the learning more of the story this season.
A good time to replay WONY before the the season relesed on tuesday. NGN, awesome content as always.Your voice is makes it to feel exiting.
Every Villian is a next man's Hero
07:07 i got goosebumps, man! such an accurate observation
Wait, when WoNY dropped, D2 wasn't really planning on more content. It was supposed to be the end of D2, as far as THAT storyline. Then within a year or so they switched gears and decided more content was coming. Am I misremembering?
Season 3 is gonna blow your mind!
What if Bardon Schaffer was trying to recruit Keener to fight back against McManus and the BT?
I love these videos, thank you
I stated before that it would’ve been funny if Isaac was hacked to confirm Keeners demise and right before the agents caught up to him he took a chemical agent that would slow down his vitals to the point of being presumed dead by Issac. I know….. I know it sounds crazy…..but man that would be mind blowing for the Division storyline ⭕️
Or Termite saved him like she saved Hornet.
ISAC initially thought Theo was dead, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.
@@mauriciocastillo7302 exactly!!!!! I’m-starting to hope this happens 🤷🏾😂
@@raemonrivera8071mannn at this point I’m HOPING it happens cause keener is too good for the story and I want to join him😂
@@joshuamartinez6381 same man……..same⭕️
Thank u for another great content. You're the one that has been answering most of questions u were right about agent Johnson as well plz see if u can find out about Schaefer also wen r we getting sum get back wit that lady & the black tusk
Keener’s death always felt like the team being asked to give a big splash to the DLC as a last big hurrah for Div2. It really felt like they were going to put it on ice. Then they turned things slowly around and revitalized it. So this all feels like a bit of retro-active re-work. And I’m happy for it! But it was definitely a too-quick end for his character. I hope they can weave him into things in an interesting way.
I wish we had a clear time line of where we're at right now. Given I've read all three crossroads books, I feel like we know so much about what's going to happen, but with no clear indication of where we are in game.
If the rogues use ANNA then what do the Hunters use? Season 05 is going to bring in some interesting bits. Keener wasn’t a villain. He knew something that everyone else didn’t
Hunters have access to all 3 AI
Isac , anna & diamond . With anna being the more complete Ai
@@davestationuk7374 hunters have access to plot armor too lol. Darn guys are tanks
@@blameitonthedesignand magic apparently coming out of thin air
@@Sainted86 exactly. they come default with golden bullet too
Definitely interesting points here, but most importantly I want to mention how mesmerised I was watching your sniping skills :))
Trying to pin some good intentions on an egomaniacal, self-serving, self-righteous, master manipulator, is troubling, to say the least. A guy who just wanted to see most of society burn, and rule over whoever or whatever remained. What did Varys say about Littlefinger, in Game of Thrones? "He would see this country burn, if he could be king of the ashes."
Exactly. The game literally made Keener try to launch a missile with a bloody bioweapon that would be even worse than the Money Flu on what remained of New York City if he wasnt stopped, and trying to make him out as some kind of misunderstood superhero warrior is a complete distortion of the entire story. What is appalling is that this video had any kind of positive feedback at all instead of being called out as whitewashing a very specifically designated villain.
Agent Johnson in the beginning of the video 🔥
Div 2 really need another keener, someone that is actually on the field making moves unlike sokolova and the other guy just sitting on their lab testing shits.
It's interesting you're interpretation on these comms my opinion is I think in cleaners sick and twisted way I really do think that Keener did see the bigger picture behind everything but I think because the story took so many twists I think that that's why there was so much confusion because of the fact that there were so many cars and so many twists within the story
I feel like keener helped set up the division and help train the agents and hunter program. Then he started to hear McManus was working with a pmc, keener was then activated and McManus pulls the jtf to eliminated a loose end and leave keener and his crew to die.
As for the bomb it could have been targeting the black tusk bunker, that Bertie refers to.
Is it just a coincidence that there's a weapon skin in the game called Keener Was Right?
Division I was and is one of my all-time favorite games and storylines ... and I've been "in the game" for decades. There are "rumors" that certain launches in and around 2020 were made to be problematic if there was a "too close to target" assessment of some of those games undertones. Keener and certain aspects such as Dark Winter might have been part of that equation in that time frame. Regardless, when I completed Liberty Island, I quit Division forever and divorced Ubi
Potential issue would be what if keener is still alive.
My theory is keener always intended to be taken out by the division agents, his death would leave more questions than answers which was true we dont know what his plans were but he knew the division would dedicate resources to find out and in the process potentially turning more agents rogue (including our agent) hopefully the new season will shed some light on it.
Well, Keener even says in one point of the fight "Do you trust Faye Lau?!" ... he knew some stuff behind her ...
Keener was a truly remarkable one. The ending always felt wrong to me, and his dialogue to you specifically always made it feel like he was prepping you
So this is not related to the Keener lore, but hey isn't it cool we got some LMB reference in the new gear set, mainly the chest piece and backpack!? Hopefully this points to us having a LMB apparel event or bundle.
Should Division 3 include a faction possibility. We could probably choose between the division or the rogue agents
From his communications saying things like "you have no idea what you're doing." I would say his death was not planned, though I agree I wish it was. He also activates the rogue protocol which seems like a contingency for his death, not something you wait until you're bleeding out to do if it's part of your plan. I mean to be fair, we're supposed to be playing as an agent that's a little better than Keener. Sure he knows the truth but he wants to go about it the wrong way. You don't kill civilians in order to wipe the slate clean, you erase the dirty spots, I think that's something the agent we play as can do that Keener could never do. Either that or we'll fall from grace in the 3rd game (which they hint at through some communications around DC and New York) they talk about "who decides what 'rogue' is?" Isac does but it doesn't mean because you don't obey protocols that you're not a good guy. Keener tried to be a good guy and look where that got him? Hundreds of dead civilians and he almost died too, no backup. Perhaps our agent will do something similar by accident and get forced into "rogue" status without necessarily trying to. As for the DLC I'm sure it will focus on setting up the next game in some way and explaining Keener's slow decent into villainhood.
Nice to see my own thoughts on all this validated.
I've been saying for a long time now that I think Keener may have been right, and the big twist will be that we shouldn't have offed him.
There's still the gigantic mystery of what the F happened with our Div 1 Agent as well, whom Keener took great personal interest in, almost like he was grooming them.
Hmmm, maybe keener was going to use the eclipse to take out Nat or Cal I don't know. But you talking about the how the virus worked certainly got me thinking.
Came back to the game yesterday, fought keener today and was disappointed. My active thought was: "this cant be it". And then he shocks you, runs away and dies. How pathetic.
I'm willing to bet after he got access to Anna he found the black test headquarters and that's where the missile was going
With this new season, im almost scared cause if we find out my girl Kelso is rouge or something and becomes a target my heart might break, she is my favorite Agent in all of the known lore of the Division franchise.
well time to play my yearly Division 2 phase
“Somehow keener returned”
We’re gonna become the new Keener in Vanguard…if not Kelso based on what The Recruiter says in the final mission of Puppeteers.
What build were you using in the video? Straight one shotting elites and names on heroic had me intrigued.
I think it is the Hotshot Set with Determined as Talent.
it's a headhunter build. go with 4 piece hotshot, chainkiller chest piece, airaldi backpack with vigilance. put "determined" talent on your sniper. when you get the first shot and a headshot kill, all next shots count as headshot because of determined as long as you are killing enemies with 1 shot. headhunter talent on chainkiller will increase your headshot dmg by each headshot kill
@ALFA_LEF any particular marksman rifle best with that build or which one is he using. My vision is crap today.
right now the best Marskman Rifle is M700. you want Damage to targets out of cover on last attribute. and Determined talent @@KombatSaiyan
@@KombatSaiyanhe's using named marksman rifle, The White Death with determined talent
One of the only parts I disliked about WoNY was that we had to ice Keener at the end. I think he might be in the top ten shadow threats of all time. When he was in the shadows taunting us I really developed a dislike of the man.
Now Nat is in the shadows and thinking several moves ahead of us. While I enjoy that I kind of would have liked to see Nat and Keener playing us like a twisted game of chess.. which might be what we get.
I think faye lou is not dead. I bet that missle was intended for the black tusk bunker. That was once it hit the virus would kill them quickly even if the blast didn't.
In last manhunt. one of the default boxart protagonist, agent johnson, turn out to be hunter. at this point im trust keener more than any other agent from SHD now.
Even if the Liberty Island story isn't turned around as a faked death of Keener for his secret dealings, I'd be glad for at least the chance to hear the voice of this handsome bastard in a comms.
my guess is he was aiming at Cal's atomic shelter... we will see in couple of days
But I think also too like you said Keener had the kind of like lay low because of the fact that he was a man named man but this is also my opinion is Keener doing his own investigation like you said so what he had to do was move through the shadows in order to find out what was all behind everything in order to not get caught
saying keener died on purpose? nahhhhh he for sure got out skilled.
The missile was about the right size for a Tomahawk, IMO. Cruise missile, smallish and quick...
The question is, when he said “ you don’t know what’s coming “ i know it can’t be the hunters.
I really was disappointed that we killed Keener in Warlords. I always envisioned him as the final boss of the series, a perennial threat always one step ahead of us the entire time.
I've mentioned it before, but i wonder why Keener and Dragov rescued that fireman and his family. I wonder what resemble he had to keener. Maybe he was a double.
Good to here a kiwi telling to the story from JTFOUTLAW
Will we get rogue agent status in the next DLC to find out what Keener was talking about?