It Was RAINING EXOTICS In The Division 2!

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  • @ObsidianCDL
    @ObsidianCDL 19 дней назад +5

    lol that sniper is a buddy of mine if I haven’t played with in a while gotta hit him up again I kinda stopped playing div2 but getting back into it. W video rogue!

  • @shunb1073
    @shunb1073 Месяц назад +29

    I've gotten a Big Horn and a Ravenous from the Dz. I needed the Ravenous and was so happy I got it.

  • @floomuscw6628
    @floomuscw6628 Месяц назад +60

    I've died everytime I've found an exotic in a DZ. Exclusively to uber high level players.

    • @2PeteShakur
      @2PeteShakur Месяц назад +7

      just quickly destroy your exotic, so nobody gets it! win win! ;)

    • @AnthonyBottari
      @AnthonyBottari Месяц назад +27

      Yeah I gave up on DZ early on. Too toxic for me. Just let me farm and extract I'm not even shooting at you.

    • @brianstratton3116
      @brianstratton3116 Месяц назад +4

      ​@AnthonyBottari bro don't pick them up right away clear everything check for nearby agents grab n go. Don't pick it up till your ready too move or if agent's are near u. It will lay there for a while if you die just go back check near by then grab it.

    • @joenorman4700
      @joenorman4700 Месяц назад +6

      ​@@AnthonyBottariit's the DZ it's not meant for you to just farm. It's the PvEvP area, you can farm, and be farmed, it happens to everyone

    • @geoffcoppin9497
      @geoffcoppin9497 Месяц назад +3

      There's much easier ways to get exotics, Countdown points for exotic caches, or simply find a raid group. Most long time players will drop a Rav or EB if you take the time to put a build together and follow instructions

  • @crasylucasbr
    @crasylucasbr Месяц назад +9

    This is the absolutely funniest video I've watched on the DZ series!!

  • @willwes985
    @willwes985 Месяц назад +23

    Ima go in the dz today and if I get something good I’m going to the nearest safe house then logging out and getting back on anotherday whenever the loot change because i noticed rogue agents only go crazy in the dz when the target loot is weapons whenever its gear the dz be nearly empty and you can extract without really having to worry

    • @jblack5596
      @jblack5596 Месяц назад +2

      wait you can find good loot run to the nearest safehouse log out of the game wait for the loot to change log back in and you will still have your loot so you a extract it?

    • @bmw575
      @bmw575 Месяц назад +2

      I was in there about an hour or so ago no one was there. Up until I was about to leave and I seen someone pop rogue but they opened a chest.

    • @willwes985
      @willwes985 Месяц назад +1

      @@jblack5596 yea if you go to a safe house and log out your gear will still be there when you turn the game back on but you will still have to extract it eventually

    • @jamalthomas6040
      @jamalthomas6040 20 дней назад

      ​@@willwes985good to know

  • @cpt.tryhard6554
    @cpt.tryhard6554 Месяц назад +2

    Thanks for going in there rogue, glad you had fun.

  • @ITzWIGGL3Z
    @ITzWIGGL3Z Месяц назад +2

    A couple of months ago, I got my Ravenous from a random team asking if I wanted. I first I thought they were baiting me but nah they told here you go kill his buddy and let me extract it. I always wanted it since the Iron Horse raid came out. It’s been my number 1 gun to run with.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      🙌 That's an awesome story!

  • @aagreenidge
    @aagreenidge Месяц назад +1

    The Division and Ghost Recon crossover
    I've been thinking about this for a while. And we know the next Division game is kind of set but I'd REALLY LOVE to see a Division/Ghost Recon crossover. In either game really.
    We did get that small bit in Wild lands where the team heard about the breakout in NYC. So it's not an Implausible idea. Right 🤔
    There could be some agents that show up in Ghost Recon and the Ghost Recon members could make an appearance in The Division 3. Giving some Intel on what Keener is driving towards!?!?
    I think this would be a great story if handled correctly......😲 But we have been seeing some shenanigans with the suits so the devs can't really do what they need to do.

  • @xXREDACTEDGAMERZXx
    @xXREDACTEDGAMERZXx Месяц назад +5

    Yesterday my Clan Member in TLL dropped me a Busy Little Bee Pistol in Southwest while fighting true sons

  • @Huxa
    @Huxa Месяц назад +4

    i just ALT F4 my game had no luck with exotics and now i see this video damn.

  • @Berto.V
    @Berto.V Месяц назад +1

    Your accuracy and aim with the Eagle Bearer is insane. Easy to tell it's your favourite AR. Great Vid Rogue, easily my favourite series. 😎 keep em coming

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      Haha thanks my friend!

    • @JJ.R-xs8rf
      @JJ.R-xs8rf 27 дней назад

      *_"Your accuracy and aim with the Eagle Bearer is insane."_*
      What's so hard about quickly aiming a cursor? If you can't do after years of gaming, then you just s.uck... lol

  • @Badshot89
    @Badshot89 Месяц назад +1

    Every time I enter the dark zone I only find rouges but a least they leave me alone most of the time

  • @LaYungFlock
    @LaYungFlock Месяц назад +2

    Coming from someone that’s pulled 4 ravs . I will say there is a big chance it won’t drop in the targeted loot.

  • @armandee1998
    @armandee1998 Месяц назад +1

    Hi rouge nice video. Quick question, what is an alternative to the EB as I don't think Elmo would be suited in DZ considering Ouroboros talent... thanks in advance

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      I would definitely still recommend Elmo's in the DZ. Sure, against the Ouroboros you might have some annoyances, but it's hard to avoid using something just in case you run into one certain item. Other than that, the FAMAS, Police M4, Carbine-7, and Honey Badger are all solid high-end options

    • @armandee1998
      @armandee1998 Месяц назад

      Thanks 😊 ​@@RogueGold

  • @jonming6676
    @jonming6676 Месяц назад +2

    ggs to Phil. We’ve all been in his shoes before

  • @archie5780
    @archie5780 11 дней назад

    Hey returning player after a long time. You got any recommendations of finding some people to play with? All the new systems and upgrade process etc. make it really overwhelming to tackle solo.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  10 дней назад +1

      Welcome back! I definitely recommend Discord. I have my own community on there (invite link in video description), but the game has their own official one- and there's a bunch more out there.

  • @bvr09
    @bvr09 Месяц назад +1

    I tried your slayer build. Damage is awesome, I just wish I was better at using the Catharsis. Just can’t bring myself to move around the healing cloud without getting killed 😅

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Practice makes perfect! Glad you're enjoying it 👊

  • @Diablo690401
    @Diablo690401 Месяц назад

    I never had an exotic drop in the DZ! I do not have the Eaglebear or the Ravenous or the Regulas. But I did get the Big Horn to drop for me in the Summit on legendary.

  • @PaulWainman
    @PaulWainman Месяц назад +1

    Great video as always, keep it up, you will get them soon

  • @MikeJones-gb5gp
    @MikeJones-gb5gp Месяц назад

    Ive been seeing this happen alot when rogues flag up kill me and extract my loot, then disappear. Or id kill 1 , die fighting and they be gone by the time i respawn. And an empty DZ is just weird. Semi scary even.

  • @unhinged135
    @unhinged135 Месяц назад +1

    watching your videos made want to pick back up this game. I even grabes the deluxe edition for sale
    wish me luck!

  • @rai6593
    @rai6593 Месяц назад

    havent played since TU9 or 10. EB and ravenous drop in DZ now? If i remember, I got mine in DH and IH.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Yep, they added the EB, Ravenous, and Bighorn to the DZ's to give players a secondary farming option. However, the drop rate is incredibly low (somewhere around 0.024%)

  • @gullylifestyle99
    @gullylifestyle99 Месяц назад

    Any help on advice for getting the ninja backpack I accidentally erased it 🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      It's in the General Loot Pool, so typically the most recommended farm is to do the Countdown Game Mode, set your Targeted loot to backpacks, and then spend all tokens earned on Exotic Caches at the vendor 👍

    • @gullylifestyle99
      @gullylifestyle99 Месяц назад

      @ yea I been doing that a lot thanks

  • @iF4DED
    @iF4DED Месяц назад +1

    Nice video as usual, RG 😁

  • @gamemaster27
    @gamemaster27 Месяц назад

    6:48 on this episode of Division Files.... Disappearing Man!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @MagpieGeordie
    @MagpieGeordie Месяц назад

    My friend got the Eagle Bearer in DZ west yesterday it dropped from a purple

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Congrats to them! 🙌

  • @daker5826
    @daker5826 Месяц назад

    Hey Rogue. i have a question. after almost 2 yeahrs i started to play TD2 again and i just want to ask if a pure skill(All Yellow) build ist still god. anny recomandations.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      Hey! Yes, skill builds are still great. I'm afraid I don't run them too often, so I don't have a ton of videos on them I could show you. I'm sure there are a bunch of updated ones you could find from others here on RUclips, alternatively I show one in this video from earlier in the year 👉 ruclips.net/video/z3YH2OamSfs/видео.htmlsi=dAz0d_ktnitN8FBo

    • @daker5826
      @daker5826 Месяц назад

      @@RogueGold good to know. and thanks for the answer and link. keep up the good vids, your helping me somuch with them to keep going back.

  • @howardsamuels7856
    @howardsamuels7856 29 дней назад

    Great Video,its surviving to LZ ,not getting anbushed.

  • @BleezyMonkey
    @BleezyMonkey 7 дней назад

    i never played dark zone before, and now im even more scared about it

  • @andrewzhu5394
    @andrewzhu5394 Месяц назад

    Ngl the illuminati sound effect playing when the guy disappeared made me laugh a little

  • @shadowgamer15.
    @shadowgamer15. Месяц назад +1

    Love your videos keep it up ❤❤

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      👊 Will do, thank you!!

  • @joshwoolcock4156
    @joshwoolcock4156 Месяц назад

    Can someone tell me where to find the hunters fury gloves or knee pads googles answers aren't making sense to me

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      All pieces of any Gear Set are in the "general loot pool," meaning they can be farmed/acquired from anywhere. Your best chances will be to go and play the Countdown or Summit game modes, where you can select your own Targeted loot. Select the Hunter's Fury gear set, and good luck!

    • @joshwoolcock4156
      @joshwoolcock4156 Месяц назад

      @RogueGold ayyy thank you so much your still the only division streamer I watch lol and I had no idea it was general loot I might try the dz again today

  • @boldbetrayerbatey6428
    @boldbetrayerbatey6428 Месяц назад +1

    Hi, total different topic. (Sorry). But is there a way to farm tanks??? As this is last challenge left. But omg. Rocking horse shit would be more common. Hope this is poss. Thank you for your help.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      There are some missions that people use to kill tanks early and then reset the mission to repeatedly farm (I know American History Museum is one)

    • @your_boyfriend272
      @your_boyfriend272 Месяц назад

      try DCD headquater 4th phase and American Museum at starting once you enter the gate you can see the tank kill him and get out then go back again he will spawn again.

  • @xi-deadshot-ix5838
    @xi-deadshot-ix5838 Месяц назад

    My rng is funny like that. It’s either raining exotics or none at all 😂. Luckily components are easier to get than ever with the new priority objectives

  • @TheBigBlueMarble
    @TheBigBlueMarble 29 дней назад

    Big Horn is dropping in Roosevelt Island again.

  • @DuyNguyen-ki3gg
    @DuyNguyen-ki3gg Месяц назад

    what is the build u use in this video ?

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      Here's the breakdown! 👉 ruclips.net/video/MryHRWulVKY/видео.htmlsi=eo4EuSChFAwzYKF4

    • @DuyNguyen-ki3gg
      @DuyNguyen-ki3gg Месяц назад

      @ thank u, keep up w the good contents 💯 support u 1000%

  • @3xcalibur1776
    @3xcalibur1776 Месяц назад +1

    I managed to get the ravenous to drop last night I’m so happy

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      🔥 Nice!! Hope you like it!

    • @3xcalibur1776
      @3xcalibur1776 29 дней назад

      I do I’m trying some builds like your breaking point one

  • @hefeydd_
    @hefeydd_ Месяц назад

    Last week I had 14 exotics in a week I had 3 in a single mission and I opened a green box and got a god-rolled weapon.

  • @PHREEEEZY21
    @PHREEEEZY21 Месяц назад +1

    Then files edit was great lol

  • @bevanharris2917
    @bevanharris2917 Месяц назад +1

    I never seen Big horn, Eagle Bearer, nor Ravenous in DZ

    • @Dan-hx4lc
      @Dan-hx4lc Месяц назад

      It’s because the drop percentage is so low that you’re probably more likely to get struck by lightning.

  • @LaYungFlock
    @LaYungFlock Месяц назад

    I’ve pulled 4 Rav’s & a BigHorn in 1 year. No EB tho 😢

  • @killervic7379
    @killervic7379 Месяц назад

    I’m guessing the top he’s wearing is no longer available or something since I do not see it in the store.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад +1

      It's the "Outcast Redeemed Hoodie," and yes was available in the store a few weeks back. Might rotate back sometime, so keep an eye out

    • @killervic7379
      @killervic7379 Месяц назад

      @ thanks man

  • @Al_Toastpan
    @Al_Toastpan Месяц назад

    Rogue Gold is the Stalker Event needed to buy

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      The new outfits will be store exclusive, according to the Devs

    • @Al_Toastpan
      @Al_Toastpan Месяц назад

      @RogueGold sad.but thx for the answer

  • @adolfocastillo5467
    @adolfocastillo5467 Месяц назад

    I want to get back in but I have the worst luck. Watching you gets that itch

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  29 дней назад +1

      You won't know until you try! ;)
      Thanks for watching regardless 👊

  • @evanstuart2317
    @evanstuart2317 Месяц назад

    Yea farmed a good amount of the DZ yesterday only got diamondback and merciless😢

  • @Bigdoggq33
    @Bigdoggq33 Месяц назад

    My RNG in the dz is shaky, lol. Imagine playing in the dz when the time difference, folks are on...its brutal.

  • @michaelhodges9731
    @michaelhodges9731 Месяц назад

    There seems to be a lot more exotic drops lately

  • @bevanharris2917
    @bevanharris2917 Месяц назад

    Only st Elmo, and chameleon also the pestilence those are exotics I've been seen

  • @gurbuztufan2247
    @gurbuztufan2247 Месяц назад

    :D Very nice Rollplay :D man

  • @Sashi-be9hh
    @Sashi-be9hh Месяц назад

    Need to do the west north roundabout ez extract

  • @brianstratton3116
    @brianstratton3116 Месяц назад

    This is the DZ I got mine too drop In. N I was like it's not AR I checked this morning but u on Xbox I thought they were all the same tbh with u cause they all have matched before so yea idk.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Targeted Loot should be the same across all platforms 👍 For these videos though, I can't record and post them on the same day due to the time it takes to edit them. So they're always from awhile back by the time I publish the video

  • @bmw575
    @bmw575 Месяц назад

    Ok big question... I always thought you had to pop rogue in order to kill a rogue agent? Am I incorrect??

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Nope, Rogues can be shot/damaged by any other player regardless of what your status is

  • @kingtvt973
    @kingtvt973 Месяц назад

    When did you make this video??

  • @killsmokee8345
    @killsmokee8345 День назад

    Is this game worth starting to this day??

  • @intheface27times
    @intheface27times Месяц назад

    Had to give my xbox for financial reasons and lost my division 2 save with it. These vids help with the cope

    • @2PeteShakur
      @2PeteShakur Месяц назад

      the saves are on the cloud linked to your xbox account! ;)

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      @intheface27times As Pete mentioned, your progress is saved to your console account + Ubi connect profile if/when you're able to get back on! But sorry to hear you've had to step away for now.

  • @ilaril
    @ilaril Месяц назад

    I got an EB from dz. Since I wasn't alone on the server I just discarded it.

  • @waynepolkey2876
    @waynepolkey2876 Месяц назад

    i havent been in a DZ for like 6 months

  • @donte381
    @donte381 Месяц назад

    Here is a great and easy way to do this summit and countdown your welcome eagle bearer and ravenous is in raids so yeah

  • @sellahuncho5595
    @sellahuncho5595 Месяц назад

    it was raining boredom because i have to play the way they want to level up the battlepass

  • @thelegames5783
    @thelegames5783 Месяц назад

    bro thats why i hate playing dz u can get exotics but have to deal with good players that will delete u i just want to get ravenous because i cant group with other people to play the raid

  • @matthewcaird3148
    @matthewcaird3148 Месяц назад

    ROGUE =Sussy baka

  • @Reds786
    @Reds786 Месяц назад

    crazy rng 😂

  • @jaybajan
    @jaybajan Месяц назад

    This game as me sp upset... i can't play u less I enable hotspot on my cell, then try and log in. If I don't use hotspot, I will never be able to log into the game . Not only me.. but about 10 of my friends on the island of barbados. We all are having the same issue

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Have you tried reaching out to Ubisoft Support to notify them of the issue? I'm sorry you're experiencing that

    • @jaybajan
      @jaybajan Месяц назад

      @RogueGold I did, and they responded to me after we both been back and forth. Basically, they said all is good on their end, and they can't see anything wrong.
      But I call BS. This started happening after then changed and grouped all the servwrs in the usa and then reverted them back.
      I really hate how ubi Soft is now run.
      No one there is willing to help.
      I can't play any ubi soft game unless I use a hotspot on my phone. And all my friends are also having the same issue....

  • @Kingvideo10
    @Kingvideo10 Месяц назад

    Ive been playing since day 1 and i think I've only gone into DZ maybe under 30 times, not worth the lost gear and im a solo player so no chance with teams and nobody has ever seen me and teamed up or went our own ways like I try to do ,ill leave that pvp to the pvp games like Cod

    • @your_boyfriend272
      @your_boyfriend272 Месяц назад

      it's not about team or solo, if they outnumber you try to lure them one by one and kill them one by one. this best method always works for me every time i go solo manhunt rogue.

  • @pagedknight5142
    @pagedknight5142 Месяц назад

    If I get an eb or rav imma give it to a rando

  • @aaronkeener95
    @aaronkeener95 Месяц назад

    Had five exotics drop on Summit on normal just doing the three floors for the journey

  • @hamitmehmet9043
    @hamitmehmet9043 Месяц назад

    3.0 them 😂

  • @hatintheswaghuh
    @hatintheswaghuh Месяц назад

    Its crazy how the D2 community knows everyone in the DZ you know the DZ cheaters n cronus users the lag switchers

  • @devinstaten2721
    @devinstaten2721 Месяц назад

    Can anyone help me get the eagle bearer

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      I highly recommend looking up GCRock and/or DJTickle here on RUclips, their Discord communities do awesome work to help with Raid carries!

  • @AbsoluteS1th
    @AbsoluteS1th Месяц назад

    I wish I can the DZ without all these dudes just attacking you 😪

  • @D4RK4D14
    @D4RK4D14 Месяц назад

    where the hell is dvs 3 is anyone requesting the devs about it 😡

    • @BreadHoard
      @BreadHoard Месяц назад

      You are aware it would be a cash grab

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      @D4RK4D14 Still in early development. Don't expect news on it anytime soon.

  • @am2pm365
    @am2pm365 Месяц назад

    RUclipsr luck🙃

  • @johnnieb2000
    @johnnieb2000 Месяц назад

    Assault rifles not the target loot on my screen in the Dz south or even in Washington for that.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      I'm unable to record/post these videos same-day, given the amount of editing that goes into them. So this is from awhile back 👍

  • @your_boyfriend272
    @your_boyfriend272 Месяц назад +1

    i told you before and im gonna tell you again, dont rely in target loot AR in any dz's you can get ravenous and eagle bearer even its not AR like what happen to me and to my friend we just enter dz west target loot murukami in just 8 minutes only since we enter dz west eagle bearer drop from 1 landmark only to my friend. and last few months as well target loot fenris dz east ravenous drop for me even i have 4 rav already but it took hours of farming in dz east top drop it. its not about target loot brother.

    • @RogueGold
      @RogueGold  Месяц назад

      Correct, it can drop on any day regardless of the target. But if I'm going to dedicate time to trying to farm them, I prefer to spend that time on the days where the chances are increased :)

  • @DamagedXyz
    @DamagedXyz Месяц назад +1

    7:11 gotta love lag switching. That’s why I deleted this dumb ahh game

    • @DamagedXyz
      @DamagedXyz Месяц назад

      @ bro I have clips for days of cheaters admitting to it. Most of the people I ran into had Cronus zen or some sort of plug or pack. You don’t have a damn clue if you think division 2 isn’t full of cheaters.

  • @PHREEEEZY21
    @PHREEEEZY21 Месяц назад

    Second

  • @ShiftNova
    @ShiftNova 29 дней назад

    We need a PVE darkzone.

    • @jeremy120862
      @jeremy120862 8 дней назад

      no.

    • @ShiftNova
      @ShiftNova 8 дней назад

      @jeremy120862 Yes! 😛😝🤪

    • @jeremy120862
      @jeremy120862 8 дней назад

      @@ShiftNova There is alrdy a pve Zone gl with that.
      otherwise maybe you shouldnt play PvePVP games :)

  • @JJ.R-xs8rf
    @JJ.R-xs8rf 27 дней назад

    It's empty, because most people hate to play DZ in which others (often with no life, and the reason they have a great build or team) are stealing their loot, quite simple.

  • @michaelgreen44
    @michaelgreen44 Месяц назад

    They are not dropping raid exotics anymore and I don't understand why no one is yelling at the devs... I mean maybe lottery chance but why are we giving them a passss

  • @iixeonuniqueii6713
    @iixeonuniqueii6713 Месяц назад

    i shat my pants

  • @Arkangel88Mr
    @Arkangel88Mr Месяц назад

    Waste of time running around for hours to get nothing.

    • @jeremy120862
      @jeremy120862 8 дней назад

      Waste of time writing down that comment.

    • @Arkangel88Mr
      @Arkangel88Mr 7 дней назад

      @ Waste of time existing

  • @ARealToothbrush
    @ARealToothbrush Месяц назад

    Absolute trash game Several guns like St Elmo’s I still don’t have and literally don’t ever get because they are locked behind BS like this.
    I’ve spent weeks and weeks and weeks trying to get weapons like this in the DZ to literally never see them. Or if I do somehow manage to see one I get ganked by some absolute overlord sweathard who has a better BUILD then me and isn’t better then me in skill.

    • @gasad01374
      @gasad01374 Месяц назад

      there are 3 exotics that are dz, raid or legendary exclusive... elmos is not one of them.

  • @gullylifestyle99
    @gullylifestyle99 Месяц назад

    Nothing but bullshit for me for days

  • @stagthasaucegod
    @stagthasaucegod Месяц назад

    is this game really not dead? this looks nothing compared to what 1 had lol

  • @Wilderness384
    @Wilderness384 Месяц назад +1

    It's not just the DZ... no people are playing The Descent or The Tower either. Each night, I log in to Matchmake and usually, after about 30 minutes of waiting, I just go play a different game. I don't understand, it's a really fun, great game, but it's also a ghostland...

    • @lurchusa1299
      @lurchusa1299 Месяц назад

      I've been getting more into Descent, now that I'm getting the hang of dealing with the Nemesis. However you got to be careful about groups there, as each person will spawn their own Nemesis. Better to go in groups of 2.

    • @Wilderness384
      @Wilderness384 Месяц назад

      @@lurchusa1299 Thank you for the tips! I'll try to get a group going tonight.

  • @LOLBeachPlease
    @LOLBeachPlease Месяц назад

    i got 2EB from dz 1-39 at landmarks but not from the boss