Dodge Won't Reveal The Demon 170's Real 0-60 Time
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Has the Dodge Challenger Demon 170 shattered the 0-60 record at 1.66s?
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The Dodge Challenger Demon 170 resets the benchmark for drag racing performance for production cars. 0-60 in 1.66 seconds, a quarter mile time of 8.91 seconds, and it's capable of accelerating above 2 g's!! The absolutely bonkers Demon is powered by a 6.2L V8 engine, which has a 3.0L supercharger, good for 1,025 horsepower and 945 lb-ft of torque when running on E85 fuel.
Unfortunately, it's not all good news, as the 0-60 time isn't quite as good as Dodge claims, if you're the type of person that believes a 0-60 starts at 0 mph. The video will highlight all the details, and the many disclaimers that go along with this 0-60 time, as well as what the real 0-60 time is. In addition, we'll look at how important the vehicle's center of gravity is, and analyze the Demon in several different real world scenarios to discuss what the 0-60 times might be under various conditions. Regardless of any nonsense, the Dodge Demon 170 is genuinely an incredible feat of engineering. Hat's off to Dodge!
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My car can do a 0-60 in zero seconds (with a 60mph rollout)
this is the best comment.
Spooky action at a distance? Warp10?
It has been three weeks now and my 66VW still has not reached 60mph.
My car can do 0-60
🤣🤣🤣
"As the name implies - there's probably going to be 170K markup."
On point as always.
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I like white Dodge is doing. If you order it from the factory you will only be sticker price. If you wait and purchase it off of a dealer lot there is no telling how much the market will be
Funny thing is... the "170" designation was the lowest level Dodge Dart in the mid 1960's: 101 Hp, 170 CI slant six, rubber floor mats, etc 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ccpgmike620 That was my first thought when I saw that designation: They went back to the 170 CI slant six? Except for 4 valve DOHC?
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A wise man once said _"Lower your expectations and you will never be disappointed"_
pessimists are the real optimists, since they always get positively surprised.
True
You are my wise man🤔
@@Keckegenkai Hope for the best, plan for the worst. If it's anything better than the worst, you now have all this extra cool stuff you can do whatever you want with! It's literally Christmas everyday it's not the worst. It's not hard, people!
But if I lower my expectation then I’m already disappointed lol
Ya gotta give me credit, *not once* in the video did I say "when it comes to the Dodge Demon's 0-60, the Devil's in the details."
Also, I didn't get into 1/4 mile, but the Demon lays down a wicked number, pretty crazy for RWD. Here's some stats for additional context:
*1/4 Mile Times:*
Demon on Prepped Surface - 8.91sec @ 151.17 mph (Dodge)
Plaid on Prepped Surface - 9.25 @ 152.6 mph (Motor Trend)
Plaid on Unprepped Asphalt - 9.34 @ 152.2 mph (Motor Trend)
At 3:59 did you mean to say “all the car magazine’s do NOT use rollout”?
@@tyronehunter7330 No, Motor Trend, Car & Driver, Road & Track, they all use rollout (the practice of deleting the first foot). Often they at least disclose how much time this was, but not always. It's a bummer!
This is confusing, does this mean the Plaid has a greater top speed? Or is just accelerating much better at higher speeds?
I'm glad when the mcmurtry will finally be sold because it has already proven it will do a new record with only rear wheel drive as well but obviously using a trick.
@@vl3005 Plaid just had a better top end, it’s accelerating harder than the demon 170 at higher speeds. The demon 170 launches a lot harder than the plaid because it’s setup to be a drag car and dodge did a really good job with the suspension and launching. The plaid could have a better top end because it’s putting down more power compared to weight or just because it has better aerodynamics (Tesla model s has really good aerodynamics to extend range). So from a roll the Tesla plaid would beat the demon, and on the street the plaid would beat the demon. But on the drag strip where the demon can utilize it’s great launch it will win
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Jason's rendition of the Demon's side profile?
Took more time than I care to admit. 😂
Yeah that was impressive. And the shaded areas for the CG description was great too. I know - you’ve started using AI to gen your whiteboard stuff, right? :)
@@EngineeringExplained I'll admit it wouldn't matter how long I sat there, I couldn't do that. 😂 It turned out excellent
Can we all just stop asking if "we can all just somethingsomething"?! We can appreciate Jason without you asking for it! And, looking at the comments, we actually do!
I really love that he made the dry erase board turn red and blue.
Great video and perfect timing. My son is about to turn 16 and he needs a car. I figure a 0-60 time of 19.5 seconds will keep him safe in the winter. 😀
Haha yeah, get him something 1.0l, front wheel drive and cheap to repair
Demon is a safe bet, you'd be irresponsible *not* to get it for him!
First winter an AWD winter beater. RWD summer car. He'll be a racing legend in no time.
Better with a top end limiter.
Drove a drivers ed car once that shook violently and rattled itself to death at exactly 60 mph. Get him one of those and you will keep him out of both kinds of trouble a car can bring at that age.
The Veyron was said to burn a tank of fuel at full throttle in 12 mins. I wonder if this dodge can do that faster also.
Haha, assuming the standard Hellcat fuel tank size of 18.5 gallons, and max fuel flow rate possible at 164 gallons per hour, 18.5/164*60 = 6.77 minutes to empty the tank!
Omg!!
@@EngineeringExplained 😮
@@EngineeringExplained DAMN, MATH ON THE REPLIES!!! 👏👏👏
That will make for a pretty short police chase. /grin
The use of the whiteboard as top gears "cool wall" Just had me bent over laughing! Absolutely LOVE your channel man!
I don't even really care about the Demon, but Jason makes me excited about it some how! Always so informative and intelligent.
Thanks for watching!
Me too, except I totally love the Demon.
I wish I had him on call so I could figure out how to upgrade and mod my cars both in real life and in video games
I am following you for years now and on a regular base you still impress the hell out of me. Being an engineer by myself I love those mathematical descriptions of real world physics. 👍
Appreciate the kind words, and thanks for sticking around!!
@@EngineeringExplained Math is fun…when it reveals truths. 👍
Bless the hearts of those marketing wizards…. At least we have lots of third-party, reviewers and testers to give us the real deal.
Maybe, we didn't last time! Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road & Track... nobody got to test the '18 Demon numbers.
You realize that all the automags use 1 ft rollout too, right?
Finally, a use for E85. And a good use for Everclear. I'll give Dodge credit, for letting the engineers have a really good time on this one.
Last hurah before they are all canned by their new owner Stellantis from Netherlands. There full prfomace line for ICE is now canclled and they are only making EV as an option for them.
@@JayRSwan At least it’s highly profitable, they’ll still have their job, but will be making electric cars now:(
@@EllisBatishchev they will do crazy stuff with EVs just give ‘em a few years
EV’s will be a non factor in a decade. It will all be hydrogen. EV’s are the compact florescent bulbs of the auto industry. They are too dangerous in accidents and too heavy for our existing infrastructure.
Best part for me, by far, is always the inclusion of the real-world scenarios and conditions to show what people are likely to see. Of course all-wheel drive should have the traction advantage given the other circumstances and the end of the video does a fantastic job of stripping away the "car guy" marketing hype to show what you are really paying for. Love it!
Thanks - yeah, definitely fascinating to look at various real world scenarios. Stop light in the rain? Best let your neighbor win the race haha.
It's funny, as soon as I saw the Dodge video, I noticed the words "with rollout" and I instantly thought that you should make a video about it...and you did! Great math and great video!
One of my favourite RUclipsrs (you) once did a video on the limit of tires and how it applies to 0-60 times, but now I can't find it. Did I dream it? Most of my dreams are Engineering Explained themed these days. It's a blessing and a curse.
I know from my work that while braking isn't a perfect inverse of traction, especially in RWD vehicles, there are very few (perhaps zero) road legal tires which can sustain 2g of braking on an unprepared surface. I know the tires used literally have the word street in the name (Mickey Thompson ET Street R) but really. Streetable?
Haha, you didn't dream it! Here's the original video: ruclips.net/video/nAvIVGGhEis/видео.html
And here's a newer version with newer numbers (see section 4): ruclips.net/video/i7yigpPSu_o/видео.html
They're legal on the street! I am very curious what the waiver says haha.
@@EngineeringExplained If it's anything like the famous E46 M3 CSL / Cup+ disclaimer, it'll read something like this:
Yo,
These tires are hot trash in the wet or cold, if you try and drive even at reasonable speeds in these conditions you're probably gonna end up in a ditch.
Please sign below to accept you understand this warning and it's now your fault that your car is wrecked the first time it's remotely damp.
Much Love,
BMW
Thanks for the links
I love this guy. He helped me get my engineering degree. Still making great content. Keep up the great work man!
Thanks for watching, congrats on getting your degree!
These videos display layman's terms of very technical and sometimes complicated or complex subjects. Excellent teacher!
Setting up the rear suspension to separate on the initial launch (anti-squat) increases the rear tire down force while the rear of the car is rising, allowing more acceleration during the critical 1st second or so of the run.
When Leno was reviewing this car, Kuniskis told him they decided to use the rollout time as it has become the industry standard. I guess they don't feel the need to mention it because it is assumed. It does make it a bit misleading unless they come out and say that they are now using that standard since they said before that it shouldn't be used.
I can remember when you had that little whiteboard way back when you started your channel.
Man you've come a long way since then.
Super happy for you!!
I can see how happy you are and that makes me feel happy.
Thanks for that.
All the best from the land down-under.
: )
This ties in directly with your recent appearance on Startalk! I was surprised you didn't mention that 2.0s is the theoretical lower limit for 0-60 times based on the coefficient of friction.
doesn't apply to drag radials on a prepped track
He did explain that on a Tesla video i recall, but thats with normal tires/
@Carlos Espindola yep. Top Fuel dragsters do it in like 0.8 seconds
I've been a science teacher for 34 years. If we could get people like you to teach physics and math in high school, with your enthusiasm and communications skills! I can only wonder. Just super! Keep it up.
Thank you Jason! Always grateful for EE content.
Congrats on your Startalk participation! I really enjoyed that episode!
So, what you're saying is: My car can beat the 0-60 time of the new Dodge Demon as long as I have a prepped surface and the Demon has a non-prepped surface in the rain. I feel way more cool now! 😂
Anyone who takes one of those things out in the rain is going to wrap it around a tree within a couple of minutes. Like it comes from the factory with bald tires.
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Yep, stripped out car, prepped surface, pro driver and slicks
I saw this video coming the exact moment Dodge revealed this car
They were one of the good guys! 😭
@@EngineeringExplained Dodge: We can buy carbon credits, right? ***K it! Go Bigger!
Thank you for using the correct stand-alone term regarding less time to accelerate (QUICKER) vs. the term which many people use (Faster).
I am a big fan of your videos! Love the way, you approach things from an engineering standpoint, and make them understandable for those of us that don’t have the depth of training. Thank you! Wayne in Chattanooga.
Jason jumping in and yelling ' No! Of course not! ' at 0:51 made my day
I have to say, as someone who chose the biology route (I'm a doctor) but always had a fascination with physics, it blows my mind every time you explain things like the physics involved in accelerating at 2Gs in section 4.
I appreciate the passion. Nice job 👍
Incredibly well done. Thank you EE.
Several decades ago, I had a 1979 Pontiac Trans Am, black with a T-top and the gold screaming Eagle on the hood, Smokey and the Bandit limited edition. It had a 400 cubic inch Pontiac V8. On regular street tires and on un-prepped plain concrete pavement, it had a 0 to 60 time of about six seconds. The car looked faster than it really was. Still, it was a cool car and I wish I still had it today.
The point to all of the above is that there was a time when it was considered not possible to accelerate or corner at more than 1G because it anything greater than 1G the tires would lose grip.
That was mostly true as far as I know.
The reason a modern hot hatch can track as fast as supercars of the late 90s and early 2000s is down to the tires mostly but aero and drag factor in as well...look at the width of the Diablo's rear tires.
Tires are the unsung heros of modern fast cars.
Probably not quite that fast, more like 7+ seconds, I know because I could beat my friends T/A in my 1983 Mustang GT. Amazing to think those big V8s were making less than 200hp when compared to today's engines. Nevertheless, they were fast back in the day when average cars made 90 hp and took 14 seconds to get to 60mph. Blew my mind when I first went from a 90hp 2.3 liter Mustang to my GT with 175hp (though I would later put headers and dual exhaust with no Cats for probably another 25hp).
and the gold screaming Eagle on the hood .what!!!! your not a trans am fan lol its called the fiery phoenix fire bird logo . My first car was an 84 black fire bird v6 and my 2nd car was a 86 t top all black v8 crap 305 86 trans am and my 3rd was an 93 v8 lt1 trans am that one lived the other two last just say I was young and my dad was a very very understanding man slod the 93 to go to school but out of them Id like to have the 86 back and put a new ls type 6.0 in it with a lot of suspension
Does this mean that the racetracks in my area will allow it to compete with Tesla again? Except by prior agreement, they currently force Tesla to stay in their own class because a lot of people who paid a lot of money for "insane engineering" got tired of losing to the family sedan.
And then crying online 😂
Your electric car belongs at whole foods, not the strip..
@@SLOCLMBR I don’t own a Tesla, but I do think it’s been amusing to see people cop such an attitude when a technology comes out that results in a quiet family sedan displacing their ultimate muscle cars at the finish line over and over. I grew up going to the track and the talk was all about the engineering and squeezing every drop from the available components, but it’s funny how fast that changes when there’s little that hurt bravado / macho chest-puffing can do other than be embittered and exclude those with a different, non-traditional American engineering instead of being proud of it.
@@ReflectedMiles tesla owners are the simps of the car world.. besides, in 20 years, nobody will be excited to find a tesla in a barn.. it's like a cell phone.. overpriced, unnecessary, and it's designed to be obsolete in 3 years.. notice how we haven't heard or seen much about the tesla semi since it was delivered to Pepsi? My guess is that it doesn't live up to the claimed performance
@@ReflectedMiles you expect working class America to be proud of someone who spent inherited money to build a fancy prius? Fat chance..
Wicked presentation!!! Dont stop these vids!
I love how you break down everything for every video.
they dismissed 0-60 with rollout when that couldn't beat Tesla but now that the have the quickest 0-60 they use the "industry standard"
It's not the most relevant number but as long as almost everyone uses the same metrics, and since it's the number measured on a drag strip, i'I think it's ok.
I guess the rollout also depends where you stop between the sensors anyway
Not an engineer here. I found the CG description fascinating. Maybe sometime you can do a video describing this as it regards race cars. I think for handling you want as low a CG as you can get away with. But maybe for accelerating out of corners you’d like some way to have the CG raised a bit just for those few moments. Also, is this the kind of thinking behind MotoGP bikes’ hi-tech start assistance features where the bike is “cocked” down at the front for launch?
Yeah, for circuit racing, you pretty much always want the CG as low as possible. This limits load transfer, which generally speaking is a good thing, because you have more grip (for braking/turning, and if AWD, accelerating as well) if you have the weight of the car as evenly distributed as possible.
@@EngineeringExplained i was wondering when calculating max g force a car can accelerate why does tire width not factor in? Also does the weight of the vehicle not make it harder because if inertia holding them back? Or does the slightly better rear weight bias of heavy cars counter that.
@@derekmaxwell8164 In terms of tyre width, it's basically just that some people with lots of different tyres tried it at some point and found that there is no consistent relation between width and grip.
As far as more weight is concerned, it means more force pushing the tyres down --> more maximum friction force is available. Weight is proportional to mass - as long as you stay on planet Earth. Available friction force increases with weight (directly proportionally), and acceleration is the ratio of force to mass, so changing mass does not change your maximum acceleration - as long as your car has enough power to move all that mass at maximum acceleration.
@@sebastianskwarczynski2435 so the extra friction cancels out the extra inertia but i watch alot of drag racing and light cars like 2500lbs or less almost always 60 ft way better than cars over 3500lbs but are still slower and run slower trap speeds. But im thinking maybe that's just cause of the short wheel base.
@@sebastianskwarczynski2435 your statements are ignorant to the known phenomenon of tire load sensitivity
Excellent analysis sir. I like your diagrams on your board too. Nicely done
excellent analysis Jason! thanks
When he said “As soon as you sum the moments about a point…” I knew everything after that was going to be in a foreign language😂
"As the name implies, there's probably going to be a $170,000 markup." :)
Killer breakdown. Love this channel
always great videos. I learn something new every time I log onto this channel. Cheers!
I remember when they started with the 707 HP engine and that seemed crazy back then...and still seems crazy today. Now they're breaking the 1000 HP mark! 😮
and selling out at the same time! Stellantis now owns them and canceled their full performance ICE line
An express ticket for some to see Jesus
Came for the horsepowers, stayed for the free body diagram!
What a great engineering mechanics review. Thank you.
Fantastic video! You articulate everything so well. When I try to explain to others that rollout is cheating I end up just sending them this video.
Love the Demon car graphic for the CG explanation, makes a difference. Always enjoy the videos and this was great going in depth on the CG and the importance for acceleration in a RWD car.
Hello! I'm a long time fan of your channel and (hopefully) soon-to-be college grad. I was wondering if you'd be able to do an analysis of the Lucid Air! They have amazing Tech Talks (with whiteboards!!) to show the science behind their vehicles that I think you'd find interesting!
Haha, hope to have a video on it soon, and that's all I'll say! :)
@@EngineeringExplained That's great! I can't wait!
I was waiting for you video on this
Your videos are exemplary!
The thing you're missing in this analysis is the percent Anti-squat built into the rear suspension. The height of the fore-aft instant center of the rear suspension with respect to the height of the vehicle CG determines the anti-squat percentage.
They make the rear dampers intentionally stiff during a launch so that squat is minimal.
You are missing a point here mr Fenske. Look up anti-squat in the world of drag racing, in short it’s converting horsepower into traction. You can make the car pound the tires in to the road with more force than the weight of the car would indicate. Would love to hear you pick this drag racing theory apart. 👍
The only caveat I'd say is that if basically everyone states their 0-60 with rollout, then that is what I'd assume for any 0-60 unless it says otherwise.
It's only "unfair" when there are "secret" factors that are different from common. IE, if they did their test on a 5 degree downward slope and didn't bother to mention it.
It should still be stated with an asterisk or something even it's the standard used by most companies. Nothing would stop a company from excluding more than a foot of rollout if they could just let people assume what they meant in their 0-60 times.
@@lanceareadbhar Well that is exactly what I was saying. In your example the "secret" factor is that they are using a non-standard rollout of greater than 1 foot and I'm suggesting that this would be in the "unfair" bucket.
When we look at world records for running, we assume that the runner did it wearing sneakers of some sort. Since, that is the normal case, no reason to state it. Now when Abebe Bikila set a marathon record while not wearing shoes, since that was out of the ordinary, it is something we might call out.
This was gold. So many nuggets and I do that can help. Great video thanks for posting.
Thank you Jason.
Safe to say they *dodged* the question? 😅
Hey Jason!
Your videos are the best! You way of presentating cases... I wish developments in automobiles keep coming just so you could make videos on them 😁😄😜
Super informative video .very good job
Remember when Dodge claimed a 1/4 mile of 9.65 for the original Demon and no one could hit better than a 10.2? I'll believe the hype when I see it!
Damn right and well said. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 actually someone did 9.58 at 140 mph with a demon so it’s most likely this 170 would smoke the plaid for 75k less
The demon actually hit 9.58 at 140 mph look it up bozo
Uh… gonna need a source on that one, bozo.
@@ericship8383 the plaids 109k right now. My local dodge dealer told me their demon 170 allocations start at 100k over msrp.
Make that down now to 104k. Come on tesla and being on the plaid+😀
Impressive machine. Rollout is standard everywhere. These Demon 170 performances numbers are incredible hard to reproduce- the Tesla PLAID is super consistent on a prepped drag strip-Speaking from experience.
Are you suggesting that all car manufacturers quote their '0-60' with roll out? 3rd party testers like Car and Driver would give a real 0-60 I hope. I dunno I think it's shifty especially if you're claiming to be the fastest car in the world.
QUICKEST production car....
I do think that 0-60 test be conducted on a dry prepped drag strip, with good DA and be done with Roll Out. It’s the only way to be even somewhat consistent. Car and Driver and the rest of automotive magazines are incredibly dishonest in everything they say and do
Watching your vids for years, fun getting grey with ya old man.
Awesome. I love your campaign against rollout.
I'm not buying a muscle car until they literally name it "edgelord"
Demons name goes back to 60s
You're running out of model's
Also won't buy an Edgelord unless it says "Nothing personnel kid" on the rear bumper everytime it wins a drag race
I suspect 8.91 even on a prepped surface is being generous. Pretty much on a perfect prep track with perfect DA and perfect track/air temps. There is a reason RWD is the choice for nearly all drag cars, the weight transfer to the rear tires using suspension and tire setups that favor this configuration make it the most viable to low timeslips in most cases.
So why can an awd even heavier evs like the aspark owl, Batista and rimac nevera out accelerate this thing on regular st legal tires and on unprepped surfaces? Both do 1.6-1.7s true 0-60mph on any surface on st tires.
And then there's the mcmurty speirling ev doing 1.4s on an unprepped surface. The wrc cars can do 0-60mph in 1.3s on all season tires. 😀
RWD is the choice in drag racing for reasons that primarily lie in the class restrictions and simplicity, not because it's superior. Yes, weight transfer is to the rear but that doesn't negate the benefit of all four wheels driving forward instead of two. I haven't read my NHRA rule book in regards to various classes in a few years now, but about the only place you can run AWD is in bracket racing where you can run just about whatever you have and what you run isn't so important as how fast (time bracket) you run. Something I've been doing for over 40 years.
@@rc01010101 interesting points... I wonder though... Why is it the pastest awd drag car is a gtr but the fastest gtr is rwd?
It’s NHRA certified? Not sure what you’re saying.
The centre of gravity deep explanation has helped me understand why 4 link suspension is used and why it works! Thank you for this :D
The rear suspension in modern drag cars is actually forced downward 👇🏼 from the torque going to the wheels. This gives incredible bite on the road in the launch and lessens as weight transfer comes into play. The torque is trying to pick up the back of the car at the same time rotational inertia is fighting against the forward rotation of the tires. Essentially rotating the car backwards against the forward rotation of the tires.
“Top gear cool wall” the good days
Well, instead of 1.6, let's say it's 1.8 or 1.9. That's still insane.
One of the best car technical videos ever
I was waiting for this guy 🔥
Does it outrun the Plaid on the 1/4 mile? The only you need to know. The price should be similar.
Yes....as does 1000s of home built cars that are street legal you can see at a drag strip every weekend
Hooligan has a plaid that is the test car, if you can beat their plaid Tesla they let you race their real car...which btw is a mustang with awd and Honda 4 banger and huge turbos that does the 1/4 in 7.9 sec
In real world driving the Tesla will smoke the dodge.
@@ContentinMesa NOPE...back to fantasy-land.
@@oldblueaccord2629 Did you not watch the video? On every surface except for a prepared drag strip the Tesla had better acceleration
Only USA uses rollout. USA and car youtubers.
Most excellent explanation of engineering mathematics for analyzing acceleration performance!!!
Thank you!
I was hoping this video would come around. 👍
I am driving an R/T for the first time and man is it fun!
Also obtained an R/T 6 years ago.....what a car......
I drive every day, and it's never fun.
Aren't they dodgy :)
Jason, What a fun video it made my day.
Thank bro, your video are awesome and very educational 😁😁
McDonald's makes the best hamburger.*
**with rollout*
I always get extra rollout when I get McDonald's
Spinning ain’t winning. That’s why I own a Trackhawk.
It's super fun sometimes though ;)
nice rant J
From arial view 00:00:16 is the first ariel picture of the brake-lights off. The first foot appears crossed between frame 30 and 31, or 14-15 frames later.. at 60fps 14-15 frames takes 233 to 250ms putting 0-60 between 1.893 and 1.91s, or about 1.9 seconds
I think you are still being too nice if anything. The previous marketing campaign for the last Demon was one of the most misleading ever as to what you will actually get:
Claim - 9.6s 1/4 mile.
Reality - ~12s 1/4 mile on real roads with normal tires.
And their supercharged engine is extremely sensitive to conditions as well and pulls power in like 80% of cases.
I don't really see much cool engineering. The low times are all result of them using a drag radial tire on a prepped surface, it has almost nothing to do with the car itself. In fact, we know this because you can go and look up any number of cars doing similar times on a drag strip with radials on. This really is just them using a method to get acceleration times that nobody else in the industry uses and then claiming victory. No clue if those times are actually even that good because there are no production cars to compare to.
Yes, on a perfect, prepped surface, with warm tires, and rollout, you might get a 1.6 to 60 three times out of ten, in reality, it means spinning tires constantly on the street and lots of spent fuel while Tesla Model S Plaids blast past you.
Sounds like hurt feelings to me!
@@oldblueaccord2629 not at all, that's reality.
Sounds like fun to me, knowing that you are part of the process instead of just being along for a ride.
@@ALMX5DP sure, its impressive, imagine if the Demon 170 could make and repeat these numbers on street tires and regular pump gas, now that car I hope dodge makes in the future.
@@floridamankyle5461 what does that have to do with my comment? To me either way being part of the process makes it more fun.
TOP, as usual. Thanks!
It's pretty much what I thought to! Thanks for the video one of your best!
Lmaooooo..... American muscle cars. Crank as much horsepower for straightline performance as possible.
America can build great track cars. But yeah, here in the States, most think straight line speed is everything. I miss the Dodge Viper.
@@lloydbonafide3398 the Vette is the only good one. The others are just ok.
That's one crazy car. I'll take two. 😅
I would love to see you do a video covering the mcmurtry spéirling and a comparison to something like the dodge 170
Bravo man.Backyard racers and mechanics have been trying to achieve this by trial and error.
If anything, this makes me more impressed by Tesla coming out of nowhere with a 1k hp car and then dodge releases their fastest car yet, and it barely surpasses the Tesla. Plus, all Tesla has to do to beat the dodge demon 170, is release an update that unlocks a few more horsepower and bam.
RWD vs AWD... + electric engine wins by default(nature) when it comes to 0-60 so nothing impressive
easy come easy go, the plaid record was beaten by the lucid whatever
And it seems tesla still doesn’t need a plaid+ how disappointing
Awesome job as usual Jason!! 8) --gary
Wheelie equation was interesting. You should do a video on instant center for rear suspension geometry.
Agreed. Also needs to mention how this changes antisquat/suspension dynamics as a further step beyond just ‘cg’ explanations of traction.
It is great to see jason able to draw the car on the board accurately well done 👏
This is a guy that knows what is talking about. I would definitely go to one of his lectures to become an engineer. But he will have to teach during the whole carrer. 😅 kudos. Excellent keep it up.
drag slicks need to spin a bit at the start so you dont tear the driveline out or or "fold" the tires (tire shake). this is a very delicate balance. CG are set low on purpose to allow that slip, but when the front end comes up more "weight" is increasingly added to the rear wheels allowing the tires to "hook up" eventually. In the 60s and 70s mopar had torsion bars (torque tubes) near the front wheels to help raise the front end.
I think you are being generous with the 19.5s 0-60 in the snow with those tires. Would love to see this tested somewhere!
This is eeally well done
Can you make a video on different engine configurations, ie v, w, i etc, and which one produces more power, torque and their efficiency.