No it is not confidence..!!!....Toyota knows that the Suzuki is any day just as reliable and fashionable and engineered as any of their products........!!
@@treasure11.11 I have owned a VW, and I must say I am kind of happy that they have manual windows at the back, because when the electric system fails it doesn't ask when(but then again it could be because I wasnt very good at taking care of the car)
A shame both of these are so gosh darn ugly. The interiors for one look primitive compared to the Polo and other B-segment rivals for that matter. Value-oriented, sure.
@@OdysseyTag Actually no. Styling is subjective and I think these look good. Also, they compete with the Polo Vivo not the normal Polo and their interiors look way more modern than the Polo Vivo.
Got my Starlet xs this past friday. And coming from a 2020 vw polo vivo i can honestly say it is a huge upgrade. Everything on the Starlet is just better that the polo. And for those going to drive a starlet for the first time.....there is a blue light coming on when starting the vehicle when its cold. Its the engine level coolant. In short the vehicle shows you the engine os still cold. But after a minute or 2 driving or idling it wil disappear. Enjoy your Starlet.
I was impressed with the Scarlet but I just had to go for the Corolla Cross it was perfect with the features and larger size but the price really killed me though compared to these two
🙈 My 2004 Kia Picanto run around which I still have after 13 years of ownership has that blue temperature light and a matching red light which would come on when the car overheats, fun fact the red light has never come on since the first day of owning this tiny car. not selling it just yet because of its reliability and the history around it, should something go wrong with another car this tiny car is always available for me, So 😑 Are you saying your polo did not have this blue light?
@@nkululekoduma2281 yes there is no blue engine light in the vw vivo. The only way to tell that the engine was at optimal working temp was to look at the display fuction on the dashboard. If it is at 90° the engine is warmed up.
Here’s an idea, buy the Suzuki Baleno since it has a better spec, HUD, LED lights, 360° camera… Pop down to Toyota, buy a Starlet front bumper and badges… win win.
I'm enjoying my GLX, very easy and soft to drive, very fuel efficient...love the LEDs, the 360 view, and the warranty term...I see Starlet people looking at me funny on the road..not sure why..🤔
Not the NG Kerk catching strays 😂😂😂 you killed me. I just made an offer for a Baleno yesterday before watching this video. Now I can’t wait to have my car. Excellent review and you so funny with a straight face 😅
The 4-spd auto is definitely a pity. Very primitive technology for 2022, but I get what you mean about keeping costs down. My money would go to the Baleno. The Starlet is better looking, but the value in the Baleno is way better. Thanks for the video, Ciro! 😁
The 4-spd auto is indeed old but that unit is also very dependable and long lasting. I'd much rather have it than the CVT that so many manufacturers are going with nowadays.
I agree that Toyota's front end looks better, fresher. It's just a shame it more expensive with less feature. The Suzuki also has that blue colour option though.
These cars are fine fir town,city or metropolitan areas.Being a motorist for 43yrs I grew tired of cars below a 160nm torque . If you are doing long distance travelling often in South africa , you will see what I mean....forever calculating and navigating and working gears with these small cars...useless ,no power, damn!....I bought a brandnew XUV 300....1.2L turbo....Mahindra has a jewel here...200nm torque .Took N1 to Beaufort West.even in 6th gear you justput your footdown and sail padt 3 sixteen wheelers....really no problem....it is a joy driving these small engined turbos on open road...no unnecessary gear changes.
Buy whatever design you like Suzuki comes with better specs though. Nevertheless people like the Toyota badge. At the end choosing the starlet you are practically buying the badge not a real Toyota. As for resale value people who don't change their cars for years must not worry too much about resale value better look at affordability price of spare parts and their availability. Suzuki and toyota are reliable brand and I don't see any wisdom in taking a car loan or save to buy a car and sold it in a few years I would rather use my brand new car for 20 years, take care of it well, do it's servicing with genuine parts and enjoy my ride. People tend to chose cheap and below standard spare parts and ruin the car. A good and honest mechanic also matter.
Suzuki is the better buy. Only place Toyota beats them is at the amount of service centers. Suzuki = Better price, better warranty and better service plan
@wimpie willemse Hmmmm, iemand het suur druiwe......!!!! Yes, true....!!! Body parts IS an issue......Insurances love to write these cars off due to accidents......
Excellent review as always. For me the frontal look is the deal breaker. The Suzuki looks too much Opel/Chev like, whereas the Toyota's got that Corolla/Camry like look. The Starlet looks awesome in red. 😊☺👍👋
I'm actually surprised how much the Toyota version actually looks like it came from Toyota itself rather than being a rebadge. I'm can't say that I have a heavy preference either way as far as the looks go, I would perfectly happy with either, but I will say that Totoya did an excellent job and restyling it to match their own line-up and gave it a classy look, more so than some of their own offerings in the same size category lol. I love that blue as well.
This definitely comes down to the small added touches and also possibly brand loyalty. I have driven both and it does just come down to personal preference.
@@MotoringAndTechWorld I'm guessing that even if it's exactly the same car, what it seems to be, the Toyota will keep it's resale value better. Just because of brand loyalty.
My cousin drives a T-Roc R-Line and I drove that for about 750 km. I couldn’t wait to jump back into my Starlet Xi 😅 my back is very sensitive, as a result I love a comfortable seat 🙈 take some notes VW
Just had a test drive with the suzuki (automatic) very nice to drive. Smooth. Not bad on the highway. Will be getting one soon. . . Pending that my bank agrees with me lol
Suzuki the only brand i know that the manufacturer feul consumption claim actually is a true figure and not like so many brands almost impossible to reach in real world.
Toyota is a veteran at rebranding. Daihatsu, Subaru, BMW.....even Isuzu used to make Toyota Diesel engines, and that Lexus 4.7 V8 is a Yamaha. They even fit Mercedes-Benz engines to Landcruiser in other markets. FJ45 Bandeirante, for instance, uses OM314 Unimog engine, from decades ago. Landcruiser in the 70's in South Africa 🇿🇦 used GM 3.8 & 4.1 engines.
Wow, here in India where it is made, we are offered a 1.2 litre Engine mated to a sluggish 5 speed Automated Manual Transmission. South African market is offered a proper 4 speed Automatic Torque Converter Transmission.
Got it one month ago. PDI done sloppily as glue marks of tape used to cover the new car in transit can still be seen. The service book was not filled in, so I had to cajole to get it done. The boot release button sometimes works. This is on 21 working day back order after a visit to Suzuki. Other than that and a rattle in the dashboard, it is a nice car that drives smoothly in traffic and short highway trips. The front seats seem a bit "unsturdy" though.
It's the exact opposite in India. But Toyota still fetches better resale value. But Suzuki has service centres everywhere and has cheaper service cost. Suzuki has close to 50 percentage of the Indian passenger car market share.
Suzuki used to have 70% of the Indian car market but as India emerges from poverty and other newer players come in to the Indian market (KIA, Hyundai etc) and other Indian brands dramatically improving their own designs Suzuki is loosing the once firm grip in had on the Indian car market. I think this is why Suzuki is trying even harder now to impress with new models that have obviously had greater design investment in them such as the new S-Cross, the new XL7, the new Grand Vitara, and of course Baleno and Ciaz. So far the results have been good in that these new models have been getting very good reception even outside of India with their new design language which is a step up from what they used to be and more on-par on something that would come out of Toyota or Honda. The only weak point for them at this point when it comes to sales outside of India is that each country has it's own franchise or importer for Suzuki vehicles and they can price the Suzuki models as they wish which from one country to the next can be quite a bit of difference and in some cases, the local importer is adding so much mark-up that it makes the Suzuki models less competitive even though in all other regards the Suzuki models would compete quite well against any of the similarly priced competition.
This 5 speed gearbox works well with the previous generation 1.4L engine. They should have put the 6 speed with the 1.5L but of course it would raise the price.
They did that with the SX4 model (2010 through 2013) which the previous version (2006 trough 2009) had the 5-spd manual mated to the J20A engine. When the SX4 was updated with a J20B engine they also updated the manual transmission to a 6-spd manual BUT... the final gear was still the same ratio as it was in the 5-spd, so in the end, freeway driving was still exactly the same, no extra MPG's and revs still up near the 3000 RPM range. With the 6-spd you just had more shifts to do to get to 6th gear but you weren't any better off for it.
Driving a scarlet at the moment and the main complaint I have is that the seat is too high and it feels like you sit high above the centre of the windscreen. As suzuki has a height adjustable seat, it would be my choice.
I'm really hating Toyota's laziness. Seems like almost every single one of their cars is a rebadged something else. Starlet Urban Cruiser Roomigo GT86 Even the Supra isn't a Toyota 😂
All that needs to happen now is for Toyota to sell off their Hilux, Fortuner, Corolla, Rav4, LandCruisers, FJ, Quantum, Hi-Ace, Yaris, Prius etc. and become a Mothership, aka Holding Company for those brands... What could be better? Super lazy!!! No guys! It's not laziness on behalf of Toyota! It's simple economics (and some espionage) 101. By Toyota adopting the chassis of other brands, they drive the collective price to manufacture those chassis, down, making the cars a fair bit cheaper than what you and I would otherwise have to pay! Don't just look at the surface, but dare to look a bit deeper; and you could actually begin to make sense of this whole platform sharing idea. Toyota is not the only manufacturer that does it. Look at Renault\Nissan, Kia\Hyundai etc. Many are doing it for the sake of gaining a competitive edge when it comes to pricing in the market! Now, compare that to brands like Mercedes and BMW, who are generally reluctant to share intellectual property and are very seldomly doing "platform sharing". Then look at where their prices start on their ENTRY LEVEL cars! Yes, they've always been more expensive than most but not by as much as we've seen in recent years! They just can't keep up with the price race! An Entry Level Mercedes A class costs more than twice the price of the top spec Baleno. Yet, it does not have twice the amount of sheet Metal, twice the amount of wheels, twice the amount of glass, twice the amount of seats, twice the amount of engine capacity or twice the amount of anything! Yes, it's a much nicer cabin to be in with a lot more spec (not that much more though), that's it! - But the question is, why on earth does that car, have to be over 120% more expensive? For over 600k you can get a very nice SUV of another brand which also has a very nice interior, a lot more space and comes with all the bells and whistles you ever need, to boot!!! That is why platform sharing is making a lot of sense for a lot of manufacturers! And for as long as that is the case, platform sharing will be here to stay.
@@schlix101 there's a big difference between platform sharing and what Toyota are doing. In a lot of cases what Toyota are doing is not platform sharing, it's just badge engineering. In vehicles sharing a platform there are still plenty of differences between them in terms of exterior styling and sheet metal, and material quality and features. Toyota on the other hand take a Baleno, do absolutely NOTHING to it, and stick a Toyota badge on it. They put absolutely ZERO effort into it, unlike platform sharing where there is at least some mutual effort.
In short, you are being ripped off when you opt for the Toyota regardless of the model because the Baleno has more features at the end of the day. What Toyota SA is doing is a DISGRACE.
I was contemplating the Vivo. I just got a quote for the comfortline: R268 250( includes everything else but excludes service & maintenance plan). In essence if I wanted a Maintenance plan, that price would increase. I have no reason buying a Vivo. NB, the Starket XR is nearly the same price as a base model 2022 Polo TSI.
I actually would like clarity on this - I did a test drive on the Baleno top-spec (GLX) and the noise irritated me so much. Is the Starlet top-spec the same?
It really is appearing that way with how much their cars are improving and especially exterior and interior design. Main reason that is happening is the old man Osamu Suzuki FINALLY retired. He was the stingiest penny pincher in the auto-industry. He was constantly cutting cost on every level, from the design team all the way down to production, even how much paint they would use on the factory floor lol. So the design and production team always had super tight budget but now that he has finally stepped down, the new president is being more appropriate with budgets including giving the design team more control over the final product. Now we are seeing the results, in Baleno, Ciaz, XL7, Vitara, S-Cross, and new Grand Vitara. There are still 2 more SUV's that haven't even been released yet as well as an up-coming 4-door Jimny.
I was looking at the Starlet, but the economics favours the Balino. You're making a R20k saving vs Starlet. 15 000km extra service plan. Etc. If you add the extra service, you're already sitting at R25 000 saving vs Starlet
In the market now..Love the Swift GLX, but the Baleno GL is cheaper with more features. What to do? Which of these will have the best resale value. Help please-:)
i used baleno 2017 until june 2022. i like that fuel consumption simple, roomy, value for money. complain: rack sterr, colum steer, tears in head lamp all that replaced by suzuki indonesia, wait until two month from india. now 5 thn years i sell and buy new hyundai creta. more comfort to drive and good interior quality than baleno.
There is one big difference though. You can see many 20 to 30 year old Suzuki's still running perfectly all over the world, but you rarely see 20 to 30 year old Hyundai's still running anywhere. There is a reason for that.
I live outside of ct, so travel highway, outlying roads so not just in the city. Have 2 questions, as i have looked at this car and going to see the fronx soon. The gl only has 2 airbags vs 6 in glx... how safe do you think the gl-the car in general is , supposed to have side impact door beams, as per the manual but salesman says it doesn't. Latin ncap gave it a 0 after side crash results,must still be tested by other facilities. Also, did you experience any crosswinds as i get that on open roads. Hate wind so that would deter me from buying any car if it gets played around with too much. I also drive on gravel at times, do you think this can handle a few gravelly roads. Not heavy duty rutted grondpad. If both gl cars are safe enough ,fronx might be better suited. Have owned ix35,various Tucson, 4x4 ranger. Suzuki offering so much for good price. Ps need to change to an automatic after injury to left foot and back, hence looking at these cars.
I very much like both companies, they both make very reliable cars with Toyota having focused on mass marketing where as Suzuki focused more on emerging markets and niche vehicles. I've owned many Suzuki's and like you, the reason I ended up with the Suzuki brand is that they offered Toyota like reliability but without the overwhelming saturation of models from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. Suzuki was the answer.
Can't understand why Toyota Starlet is so much costlier for less specs on offer. In India both cost exactly the same and offer same specs. Toyota also gives better warranty in here.
Slap a set of alloys on the base Baleno and you get almost all the features of a much higher specced Starlet. The Starlet is however more appealing in terms of looks.
YES, NOW YOU CAN!!! Effective from 01July 2021, the Competition Commission ruled that owners of new cars in South Arica will have the right to repair or service their vehicles at an independent provider of their choice. This means that Suzuki can't void warranty if you choose to service with the nearest Toyota dealership.
@@rnburley Toyota is also in a business. As a dealer, if someone is bringing in Suzuki and you have capacity to make money, wouldn't you service it? If you do not want to, another Toyota dealer will. People are in a business and not in petty business of crying over spilled milk.
I'm thinking of Muzi Sambo, but asikho lapho.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery"😂
That man is thinking BMW right now ,he isn't worried about this budget car
😂 😂 😂 😂 Asikho lapho
"The twins" 😂
Yim lowo🤣🤣🤣
I like Ciro’s statement: “Toyota has a lot of confidence in Suzuki.” 😁🤙🏻
But the short warranty period offered by Toyota makes me question if they have confidence in Suzuki products..🤔
@@siphosethuximba even in their car Toyota always give a short warranty
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No it is not confidence..!!!....Toyota knows that the Suzuki is any day just as reliable and fashionable and engineered as any of their products........!!
These 2 cars prove that the Polo Vivo is way past its sell by date now. The Vivo basically has zero features. VW has no excuse.
I'm a huge VW fan but still can't fathom why the Vivo has electric windows only in front.
South Africans are hypnotized by the VW. Expensive cars when alternatives are available but People still buy them
@@treasure11.11 I have owned a VW, and I must say I am kind of happy that they have manual windows at the back, because when the electric system fails it doesn't ask when(but then again it could be because I wasnt very good at taking care of the car)
A shame both of these are so gosh darn ugly. The interiors for one look primitive compared to the Polo and other B-segment rivals for that matter. Value-oriented, sure.
@@OdysseyTag Actually no. Styling is subjective and I think these look good. Also, they compete with the Polo Vivo not the normal Polo and their interiors look way more modern than the Polo Vivo.
This guy is the best, just made me love watching his cars reviews.
On this I'll go with the Suzuki
Got my Starlet xs this past friday. And coming from a 2020 vw polo vivo i can honestly say it is a huge upgrade. Everything on the Starlet is just better that the polo. And for those going to drive a starlet for the first time.....there is a blue light coming on when starting the vehicle when its cold. Its the engine level coolant. In short the vehicle shows you the engine os still cold. But after a minute or 2 driving or idling it wil disappear. Enjoy your Starlet.
Agreed 👍Suzuki does make nice cars😜
I was impressed with the Scarlet but I just had to go for the Corolla Cross it was perfect with the features and larger size but the price really killed me though compared to these two
VW must think about their pricing and packages
🙈 My 2004 Kia Picanto run around which I still have after 13 years of ownership has that blue temperature light and a matching red light which would come on when the car overheats, fun fact the red light has never come on since the first day of owning this tiny car. not selling it just yet because of its reliability and the history around it, should something go wrong with another car this tiny car is always available for me, So 😑 Are you saying your polo did not have this blue light?
@@nkululekoduma2281 yes there is no blue engine light in the vw vivo. The only way to tell that the engine was at optimal working temp was to look at the display fuction on the dashboard. If it is at 90° the engine is warmed up.
Which Brown Albany bread do u prefer the one from Pick n Pay at R19. 50 or the one from Shoprite at R16.50🤷🏾♂️
very funny😂😂😂
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Shoprite
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Eish, you made me 😂but shoprite wins lol
I think the Starlet is more beautiful, but I’m going for the Baleno. Value for money 💵
this seems to be the general consensus. After having driven both I feel the same way.
Here’s an idea, buy the Suzuki Baleno since it has a better spec, HUD, LED lights, 360° camera… Pop down to Toyota, buy a Starlet front bumper and badges… win win.
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Ki kiii lol 😂 😂😂😝😝😝
Are you Indian? Guessing by your name
Lol people will think youre driving an accident damaged done up car hai
I love this 😭😭😭😂🤣🤌🏽
The Suzuki has a more elegant design but the starlet is more sporty. I prefer the Suzuki’s more elegant design
Ciro the best presenter in SA hands down!!! This is the best review videos OMG
I'm enjoying my GLX, very easy and soft to drive, very fuel efficient...love the LEDs, the 360 view, and the warranty term...I see Starlet people looking at me funny on the road..not sure why..🤔
Are they perhaps jealous Of Ur warranty? 🤔😂
@@vincentmotonya2859 or maybe his/her heads up display🤣they are just jealous you made a better decision.
😂😂😂 I think naturally they think Suzuki is based on the Toyota and not the other way round
They probably do not even know that they are actually driving a Suzuki and that they overpaid for their Suzuki 😂😂😂
Does it have Hill Assist Control?
Brilliant: "Just shows you how much confidence Toyota has, in Suzuki's products" - You're killing me 🤣
I can't wait to get my Baleno, my sister-in-law has the starlet but I love the grill on the Baleno, it looks more modern like the new Mazda 3 front.
I got my Starlet last week Monday. Loving it. Great car.
The way he checked the badge on the steering wheel of the car just to be sure it a Toyota, that's funny 🤣😂🤣.
😂😂😂Loved thar lol
Suzuki is the original and also has a body kit and better accesories available.
Good resale value for Toyota,great value for money on Suzuki with a good warranty and service package.well id go for Suzuki
Lol I just love how safety is now a spec/option and not a necessity
Stay safe
Not the NG Kerk catching strays 😂😂😂 you killed me. I just made an offer for a Baleno yesterday before watching this video. Now I can’t wait to have my car. Excellent review and you so funny with a straight face 😅
You're so good in what you do my guy, I just subscribed 200 times!!
The 4-spd auto is definitely a pity. Very primitive technology for 2022, but I get what you mean about keeping costs down. My money would go to the Baleno. The Starlet is better looking, but the value in the Baleno is way better. Thanks for the video, Ciro! 😁
The 4-spd auto is indeed old but that unit is also very dependable and long lasting. I'd much rather have it than the CVT that so many manufacturers are going with nowadays.
The value for money on the Baleno is definitely a plus. Some say it's also more fuel efficient than the Starlet. That is a strange one
I like the Starlet's front end, and that blue color too 👊
I agree that Toyota's front end looks better, fresher. It's just a shame it more expensive with less feature.
The Suzuki also has that blue colour option though.
These cars are fine fir town,city or metropolitan areas.Being a motorist for 43yrs I grew tired of cars below a 160nm torque . If you are doing long distance travelling often in South africa , you will see what I mean....forever calculating and navigating and working gears with these small cars...useless ,no power, damn!....I bought a brandnew XUV 300....1.2L turbo....Mahindra has a jewel here...200nm torque .Took N1 to Beaufort West.even in 6th gear you justput your footdown and sail padt 3 sixteen wheelers....really no problem....it is a joy driving these small engined turbos on open road...no unnecessary gear changes.
Ahh! I absolutely waited for this review. Thanks guys 😄
The answers to the question everyone has been asking!
Buy whatever design you like Suzuki comes with better specs though. Nevertheless people like the Toyota badge. At the end choosing the starlet you are practically buying the badge not a real Toyota. As for resale value people who don't change their cars for years must not worry too much about resale value better look at affordability price of spare parts and their availability. Suzuki and toyota are reliable brand and I don't see any wisdom in taking a car loan or save to buy a car and sold it in a few years I would rather use my brand new car for 20 years, take care of it well, do it's servicing with genuine parts and enjoy my ride. People tend to chose cheap and below standard spare parts and ruin the car. A good and honest mechanic also matter.
The bottom line = You can now service your brand new Suzuki at Toyota dealership.
The Baleno is the prettier car of the 2. I'm actually really considering getting one.
Suzuki is the better buy.
Only place Toyota beats them is at the amount of service centers.
Suzuki = Better price, better warranty and better service plan
@wimpie willemse Suzuki crap? What car do you drive?
Seems like someone is feeling a bit threatened by the current best sellers 🤔
@wimpie willemse Hmmmm, iemand het suur druiwe......!!!! Yes, true....!!! Body parts IS an issue......Insurances love to write these cars off due to accidents......
@wimpie willemse You can just use toyota's parts. It is literally the same cars, thus no parts issue
Excellent review as always. For me the frontal look is the deal breaker. The Suzuki looks too much Opel/Chev like, whereas the Toyota's got that Corolla/Camry like look.
The Starlet looks awesome in red. 😊☺👍👋
I'm actually surprised how much the Toyota version actually looks like it came from Toyota itself rather than being a rebadge. I'm can't say that I have a heavy preference either way as far as the looks go, I would perfectly happy with either, but I will say that Totoya did an excellent job and restyling it to match their own line-up and gave it a classy look, more so than some of their own offerings in the same size category lol. I love that blue as well.
This definitely comes down to the small added touches and also possibly brand loyalty. I have driven both and it does just come down to personal preference.
@@MotoringAndTechWorld I'm guessing that even if it's exactly the same car, what it seems to be, the Toyota will keep it's resale value better. Just because of brand loyalty.
Must be the best South African car reviewer.
My cousin drives a T-Roc R-Line and I drove that for about 750 km. I couldn’t wait to jump back into my Starlet Xi 😅 my back is very sensitive, as a result I love a comfortable seat 🙈 take some notes VW
AWESOME REVIEW ⭐💫👍👌!
I'll take the Suzuki no doubt !
Love the little "SUPER - S" 💪
Just had a test drive with the suzuki (automatic) very nice to drive. Smooth. Not bad on the highway. Will be getting one soon. . . Pending that my bank agrees with me lol
Suzuki the only brand i know that the manufacturer feul consumption claim actually is a true figure and not like so many brands almost impossible to reach in real world.
The Toyota is better looking at the front but the Suzuki is much better value
@wimpie willemse Are they as bad as french cars, I didn't know that
@wimpie willemse amen my brother amen 🙏🏼
Agreed!
@wimpie willemse but you can fix at Toyota except for the front
@wimpie willemse bro suzuki is considered one of the most reliable
Another great review in the bag 🤟... The NG kerk joke got me 😂
Please do the new hyundai Atos when u guys are doing the budget car comparison
beautifull front design for the starlet.
Toyota is a veteran at rebranding. Daihatsu, Subaru, BMW.....even Isuzu used to make Toyota Diesel engines, and that Lexus 4.7 V8 is a Yamaha. They even fit Mercedes-Benz engines to Landcruiser in other markets. FJ45 Bandeirante, for instance, uses OM314 Unimog engine, from decades ago. Landcruiser in the 70's in South Africa 🇿🇦 used GM 3.8 & 4.1 engines.
Love the review. Informative and witty!
Love the review Juliet! When you filming the Fronx?? Would love your take on that!
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The Toyota looks great though...for me!
Made by Suzuki badged by Toyota
Couldn't agree more, toyota version looks better
Wow, here in India where it is made, we are offered a 1.2 litre Engine mated to a sluggish 5 speed Automated Manual Transmission. South African market is offered a proper 4 speed Automatic Torque Converter Transmission.
Same as old brezza engine configuration in their baleno....
I'm starting to really love your videos. Lol, what an amazing one.
Really well done review peeps❤
The starlet looks better..That's impressive since styling is an attribute toyota generally gets really wrong .
Funny but also very informative, thanks!
Suzuki for the win
Buy the Baleno. And replace the front bumper with Starlet. Big W.
Also Headlights! Those day running lights from Starlet looks better..
Got it one month ago. PDI done sloppily as glue marks of tape used to cover the new car in transit can still be seen. The service book was not filled in, so I had to cajole to get it done. The boot release button sometimes works. This is on 21 working day back order after a visit to Suzuki. Other than that and a rattle in the dashboard, it is a nice car that drives smoothly in traffic and short highway trips. The front seats seem a bit "unsturdy" though.
It's the exact opposite in India. But Toyota still fetches better resale value. But Suzuki has service centres everywhere and has cheaper service cost. Suzuki has close to 50 percentage of the Indian passenger car market share.
Suzuki used to have 70% of the Indian car market but as India emerges from poverty and other newer players come in to the Indian market (KIA, Hyundai etc) and other Indian brands dramatically improving their own designs Suzuki is loosing the once firm grip in had on the Indian car market. I think this is why Suzuki is trying even harder now to impress with new models that have obviously had greater design investment in them such as the new S-Cross, the new XL7, the new Grand Vitara, and of course Baleno and Ciaz. So far the results have been good in that these new models have been getting very good reception even outside of India with their new design language which is a step up from what they used to be and more on-par on something that would come out of Toyota or Honda. The only weak point for them at this point when it comes to sales outside of India is that each country has it's own franchise or importer for Suzuki vehicles and they can price the Suzuki models as they wish which from one country to the next can be quite a bit of difference and in some cases, the local importer is adding so much mark-up that it makes the Suzuki models less competitive even though in all other regards the Suzuki models would compete quite well against any of the similarly priced competition.
This 5 speed gearbox works well with the previous generation 1.4L engine. They should have put the 6 speed with the 1.5L but of course it would raise the price.
They did that with the SX4 model (2010 through 2013) which the previous version (2006 trough 2009) had the 5-spd manual mated to the J20A engine. When the SX4 was updated with a J20B engine they also updated the manual transmission to a 6-spd manual BUT... the final gear was still the same ratio as it was in the 5-spd, so in the end, freeway driving was still exactly the same, no extra MPG's and revs still up near the 3000 RPM range. With the 6-spd you just had more shifts to do to get to 6th gear but you weren't any better off for it.
Funny and Informative.
You Ace your Marketing.
Driving a scarlet at the moment and the main complaint I have is that the seat is too high and it feels like you sit high above the centre of the windscreen. As suzuki has a height adjustable seat, it would be my choice.
I'm really hating Toyota's laziness. Seems like almost every single one of their cars is a rebadged something else.
Starlet
Urban Cruiser
Roomigo
GT86
Even the Supra isn't a Toyota 😂
Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyryder aka incoming Suzuki Vitara
Agreed, all that copy pasting probably makes them a ton of money.
All that needs to happen now is for Toyota to sell off their Hilux, Fortuner, Corolla, Rav4, LandCruisers, FJ, Quantum, Hi-Ace, Yaris, Prius etc. and become a Mothership, aka Holding Company for those brands... What could be better? Super lazy!!!
No guys! It's not laziness on behalf of Toyota! It's simple economics (and some espionage) 101. By Toyota adopting the chassis of other brands, they drive the collective price to manufacture those chassis, down, making the cars a fair bit cheaper than what you and I would otherwise have to pay! Don't just look at the surface, but dare to look a bit deeper; and you could actually begin to make sense of this whole platform sharing idea. Toyota is not the only manufacturer that does it. Look at Renault\Nissan, Kia\Hyundai etc. Many are doing it for the sake of gaining a competitive edge when it comes to pricing in the market! Now, compare that to brands like Mercedes and BMW, who are generally reluctant to share intellectual property and are very seldomly doing "platform sharing". Then look at where their prices start on their ENTRY LEVEL cars! Yes, they've always been more expensive than most but not by as much as we've seen in recent years! They just can't keep up with the price race! An Entry Level Mercedes A class costs more than twice the price of the top spec Baleno. Yet, it does not have twice the amount of sheet Metal, twice the amount of wheels, twice the amount of glass, twice the amount of seats, twice the amount of engine capacity or twice the amount of anything! Yes, it's a much nicer cabin to be in with a lot more spec (not that much more though), that's it! - But the question is, why on earth does that car, have to be over 120% more expensive? For over 600k you can get a very nice SUV of another brand which also has a very nice interior, a lot more space and comes with all the bells and whistles you ever need, to boot!!! That is why platform sharing is making a lot of sense for a lot of manufacturers! And for as long as that is the case, platform sharing will be here to stay.
@@schlix101 there's a big difference between platform sharing and what Toyota are doing. In a lot of cases what Toyota are doing is not platform sharing, it's just badge engineering. In vehicles sharing a platform there are still plenty of differences between them in terms of exterior styling and sheet metal, and material quality and features. Toyota on the other hand take a Baleno, do absolutely NOTHING to it, and stick a Toyota badge on it. They put absolutely ZERO effort into it, unlike platform sharing where there is at least some mutual effort.
@@yissibiiyte ...and then Suzuki have access to Toyota's hybrid technology. It's a win win for both manufacturers and for consumers.
In short, you are being ripped off when you opt for the Toyota regardless of the model because the Baleno has more features at the end of the day. What Toyota SA is doing is a DISGRACE.
You can say that again
Laziness..they were too lazy to think out of the box..
And yet the Starlet far outsells the Baleno.
Toyota is selling the name Toyota
@@thiagonepomuceno4804 regardless, you are getting less car by opting for the Starlet instead of the Baleno. You played yourself.
In Europe we just get the Suzuki Baleno.
One of my neighbours has one.
For more than a decade, Europe also had Toyotas powered by Isuzu-built Diesels. We didn't get that in South Africa.🇿🇦
I like Toyota's daytime running lights 💯
Me too they are more interesting
Im a huge Suzuki fan. I've had 2 swift's they are nippy and great on fuel. The Boleno looks more plated from the front than the Toyota.
Will starlets and balneo be phased out anytime soon. Like the urban cruiser
I was contemplating the Vivo. I just got a quote for the comfortline: R268 250( includes everything else but excludes service & maintenance plan). In essence if I wanted a Maintenance plan, that price would increase. I have no reason buying a Vivo.
NB, the Starket XR is nearly the same price as a base model 2022 Polo TSI.
Baleno any day, I love this car
Ciro, how about a comparison of a late model Etios & the Starlet?
In India I booked the Suzuki one on Sunday.. Hoping to get my Delivery by Mid April
Is there another video talking about the detail of the screen ond other specs?
How much confidence Toyota has in Suzuki's products hahahaha well done ciro
Is the Baleno really value for money if the engine makes noise?
I actually would like clarity on this - I did a test drive on the Baleno top-spec (GLX) and the noise irritated me so much. Is the Starlet top-spec the same?
nice one.
please review the Peugeot Landtrek as well as the new Opel Astra and Peugeot 308
I prefer Starlet XR over Baleno GLX and I also prefer Baleno GL over Starlet XI
Suzuki going to be leading brand very soon.
It really is appearing that way with how much their cars are improving and especially exterior and interior design. Main reason that is happening is the old man Osamu Suzuki FINALLY retired. He was the stingiest penny pincher in the auto-industry. He was constantly cutting cost on every level, from the design team all the way down to production, even how much paint they would use on the factory floor lol. So the design and production team always had super tight budget but now that he has finally stepped down, the new president is being more appropriate with budgets including giving the design team more control over the final product. Now we are seeing the results, in Baleno, Ciaz, XL7, Vitara, S-Cross, and new Grand Vitara. There are still 2 more SUV's that haven't even been released yet as well as an up-coming 4-door Jimny.
I was looking at the Starlet, but the economics favours the Balino. You're making a R20k saving vs Starlet. 15 000km extra service plan. Etc. If you add the extra service, you're already sitting at R25 000 saving vs Starlet
And in Cape Town, with a 10y 1 million km warranty!
Which dealership did you find that allows you to extend the warranty on the Starlet?
Any Toyota dealer will extend the warranty at point of purchase. If you need some help you can email us, youtubeadmin@cars.co.za
In the market now..Love the Swift GLX, but the Baleno GL is cheaper with more features. What to do? Which of these will have the best resale value. Help please-:)
baleno
i used baleno 2017 until june 2022. i like that fuel consumption simple, roomy, value for money. complain: rack sterr, colum steer, tears in head lamp all that replaced by suzuki indonesia, wait until two month from india. now 5 thn years i sell and buy new hyundai creta. more comfort to drive and good interior quality than baleno.
There is one big difference though. You can see many 20 to 30 year old Suzuki's still running perfectly all over the world, but you rarely see 20 to 30 year old Hyundai's still running anywhere. There is a reason for that.
I live outside of ct, so travel highway, outlying roads so not just in the city. Have 2 questions, as i have looked at this car and going to see the fronx soon. The gl only has 2 airbags vs 6 in glx... how safe do you think the gl-the car in general is , supposed to have side impact door beams, as per the manual but salesman says it doesn't. Latin ncap gave it a 0 after side crash results,must still be tested by other facilities. Also, did you experience any crosswinds as i get that on open roads. Hate wind so that would deter me from buying any car if it gets played around with too much. I also drive on gravel at times, do you think this can handle a few gravelly roads. Not heavy duty rutted grondpad. If both gl cars are safe enough ,fronx might be better suited. Have owned ix35,various Tucson, 4x4 ranger. Suzuki offering so much for good price. Ps need to change to an automatic after injury to left foot and back, hence looking at these cars.
Is it possible to buy this car without the keyless entry option?
Yes get the GL
I'd go with the Suzuki. A tad less common. Whenever I see another car that looks like mine, I know it's time for a different car.
I very much like both companies, they both make very reliable cars with Toyota having focused on mass marketing where as Suzuki focused more on emerging markets and niche vehicles. I've owned many Suzuki's and like you, the reason I ended up with the Suzuki brand is that they offered Toyota like reliability but without the overwhelming saturation of models from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. Suzuki was the answer.
@rouxenator you have taken a walk around the corner from MyBB 😂
@@ronz91 yeah, I even have my own channel and videos here 😂
My brother is looking at down sizing from a double cad 2.4GDS to a much smaller vehicle. Starlet XR should be the one
Toyota has a lot of confidence in Suzuki’s products. But Chevrolet had a lot of confidence in Daewoo’s products and well. Look what happened
Can't understand why Toyota Starlet is so much costlier for less specs on offer. In India both cost exactly the same and offer same specs. Toyota also gives better warranty in here.
I see Muzi Sambo of Everything Cars inspired this video 👏🏽👏🏽nice
For me it's that meerkat looking to the left and right and realizing they are the same
What about the sound system..which one has good sound system?
Starlet was discontinued in 1999?
The should add sunroof
A real highlight IS the seats
Would like to ask if the headlights are the same design and size ?
Wud u recommend the venue sonet or starlett
The Xr is over R300k though?
Slap a set of alloys on the base Baleno and you get almost all the features of a much higher specced Starlet. The Starlet is however more appealing in terms of looks.
Plus cruise control - which doesn't appear on the 'Toyota' Starlet range until you get to the XR (R314 400!)
Awesome review- Suzuki Baleno it is 😅
Can I service the Suzuki at Toyota?
Suzuki, cheaper, more features, better warranty... seems like a no brainer.
Hi guys so as these cars are all manufactured in India by the same company... Can I use Toyota parts on this Suzuki... Pls help me
I am seeing more of the new Balenos on the road...Maybe SA consumers have finally woken up.
Please do a review on the Fronx?
Coming out this week :)
Can you service Suzuki at Toyota dealerships?
Good question
YES, NOW YOU CAN!!!
Effective from 01July 2021, the Competition Commission ruled that owners of new cars in South Arica will have the right to repair or service their vehicles at an independent provider of their choice. This means that Suzuki can't void warranty if you choose to service with the nearest Toyota dealership.
@@amogelangthobane27 but that does not mean Toyota will want to touch it. My guess is not. Part of the higher price is the better dealer network.
@@rnburley Toyota is also in a business. As a dealer, if someone is bringing in Suzuki and you have capacity to make money, wouldn't you service it? If you do not want to, another Toyota dealer will. People are in a business and not in petty business of crying over spilled milk.
i like the toyota's front design more but the suzuki is just better for the money. be it the top or bottom spec.
Do they have Automatic transmission??