Port Arthur Massacre | Martin Bryant Case Analysis

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  • Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
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Комментарии • 3 тыс.

  • @kkheflin3
    @kkheflin3 2 года назад +404

    The woman who took him in obviously was not a very stable individual herself. Not only did she continue to keep him around when he tried to wreck her car three times but then again she did have 40 cats in her garage and 14 dogs in the house. That's pretty much a tip-off that she wasn't a rocket scientist.

    • @pepelemoko01
      @pepelemoko01 2 года назад +7

      She had something to do with the Tatts family if I remember.

    • @natekeyes2297
      @natekeyes2297 2 года назад +43

      Yes, clearly crazy herself. And also she let him care for the dogs and cats, although he had demonstrated cruelty to animals as a child and adult. She may not have know about that, but surely there were indications that he was not concerned with kind treatment of animals.

    • @helenshg4580
      @helenshg4580 2 года назад +62

      If she had 40 cats & 14 dogs, it could be that she was a kind hearted empath who did not believe in cruelty to animals. I have several cats & three dogs. I have neighbors who have 15 or more cats. I meet ppl at the pet food isle who have a large number of cats. All of us pet owners seem to be kind hearted.

    • @melvynobrien6193
      @melvynobrien6193 2 года назад +45

      @@helenshg4580 A house full of cats stinks terribly. The occupants usually don't notice; cats are not suited to living indoors. It's usually post-menopausal women who amass large numbers of cats. Crazy shit.

    • @oldsalt8011
      @oldsalt8011 2 года назад +18

      The house must of stank!

  • @simonkormendy849
    @simonkormendy849 Год назад +5

    The two main problems I have with the Port Arthur Massacre case is firstly that the video footage of Martin Bryant outside the place where he shot people, is too indistinct to enable a positive and conclusive identification of Martin being the shooter, we don't see a clear image of his face in it, all we see is someone who looks vaguely like Martin and for all we know it could actually be someone else wearing a blonde wig, from where the camera was located it would have been difficult to tell if it was real hair or merely a blonde wig, secondly, Martin Bryant's I.Q. was assessed to be 66, that's below average intelligence, and the question is just how much intelligence does it take to be able to effectively operate a military-grade firearm such as an AR-15, I mean soldiers have to train for quite a few months to effectively use a weapon like an AR-15, and the army assesses the intelligence of new recruits.

  • @LevelEarthWD
    @LevelEarthWD 2 года назад +33

    Dr. I really love the fact that you really do read our comments. So many say they do but don't. Another thing we appreciate that about your channel. Thank you.

    • @pkgum6910
      @pkgum6910 2 года назад +4

      While I too appreciate his videos I see he is "selective" when it comes to comments of praise versus comments that may question his perception of reality.

    • @Maxiakt
      @Maxiakt Год назад +1

      @@pkgum6910 He's a mouthpiece with an agenda..as he has shown by his opinions regarding this incident

  • @jacobismithenshire1238
    @jacobismithenshire1238 2 года назад +95

    I live in Hobart not far from where Martin lived. My mother participated in the bullying he received from local high school students. To this day she still deeply regrets it and refuses to talk about it. I only know about it because her old friend brought it up a few times.
    The electric blue suit is something everyone who was alive at the time remembers vividly. It’s still one of the first things that comes up whenever people talk about him before the incident.

    • @jacobismithenshire1238
      @jacobismithenshire1238 2 года назад +19

      @Aubrey Nah, that’d have just made him worse. He’s gone back and forth between Risdon prison and the Wilfred Lopes Centre for mental health and his condition has only gotten worse from his treatment there. Any more bullying during his childhood and young adult years would have just made him do something drastic even sooner, probably within Hobart itself instead of Port Arthur.
      Last I heard from someone working at Risdon, he’s gained a lot of weight and is so unstable that he can barely function. He has near constant meltdowns and gets beaten up for trying to trade sexual favours for mars bars.

    • @donnawoodford6641
      @donnawoodford6641 2 года назад +35

      If you want to bully someone who is odd and can't help it, what does that say about you?

    • @petercase7697
      @petercase7697 2 года назад +2

      @@jacobismithenshire1238 And this is why we have background checks.

    • @jacobismithenshire1238
      @jacobismithenshire1238 2 года назад

      @@petercase7697 Huh?

    • @erinthesystem9608
      @erinthesystem9608 2 года назад +1

      [from U.S.] One earlier episode of reality show "Intervention" involved a young man who was mentioned by name in a letter or manifesto or some such writing left by the perpetrators of the Columbine mass-shooting.
      "No man is an island." (Donne)

  • @laylamaree1175
    @laylamaree1175 2 года назад +31

    Wow I didn't expect you to cover this one. Thank you, Dr. Grande! 💖

  • @BiancaBabe
    @BiancaBabe 2 года назад +70

    I was literally watching something on this two night ago. Horrific stuff. Thanks Doc for the video 📸

    • @Stichting_NoFap
      @Stichting_NoFap 2 года назад +3

      I know who you mean 🙂

    • @Satanthony
      @Satanthony 2 года назад +2

      I was figuratively watching the same program.

    • @joycemarie9702
      @joycemarie9702 2 года назад +1

      I also watched a video about Martin. Truly horrifying! I cannot believe how long he was tormenting people…. He knew exactly what he was doing…. He enjoyed it his entire life. He never should have had the opportunity to kill so many innocent people.

    • @darrellcovello7917
      @darrellcovello7917 2 года назад +3

      This Is Monsters??

    • @gangstagarf
      @gangstagarf 2 года назад

      @@darrellcovello7917 what else could it have been lol

  • @bellam7359
    @bellam7359 2 года назад +102

    Such a tragedy. As an Australian, this is very close to my heart & it still saddens me that a massacre of this scale occured in my country.
    Thanks for covering this.

    • @jamesb.9155
      @jamesb.9155 2 года назад +7

      So happy my daughter and her family live in a gun free society in WA! Very proud of the UK and Australian's will to eliminated gun violence from their societies, which likely will never ever happen in the mad house U.S.

    • @jorinsullivan1356
      @jorinsullivan1356 Год назад +4

      As an Australia also I highly recommend the new film Nitram which perfectly explores the complex psyche of Martin Bryant and the events leading to that horrific day

    • @aarondavis8943
      @aarondavis8943 Год назад +1

      As if Port Arthur didn't have enough ghosts. It's like that place was ordained for misery and grief.

    • @blake9358
      @blake9358 Год назад

      @@jorinsullivan1356 How can a mentally ill person be charged with murder. The act doesn't allow for it and yet he was. A paranoid schizophrenic person can not stand trial for murder. The government clearly has a double standard where it suits them.

    • @eikoqdupree101
      @eikoqdupree101 9 месяцев назад +1

      Its horrible in any country.

  • @RaelThomas
    @RaelThomas 2 года назад +22

    US homicide rate per 100k: 5
    AU homicide rate per 100k: 0.9

    • @firetruck988
      @firetruck988 2 месяца назад +2

      AU population: almost entirely white/asian. About 2.5 of the US number are self unalive, the remaining 1.5 are inner city gang related. Context matters.

    • @CeezGeez
      @CeezGeez 2 месяца назад

      @@firetruck988l0000l.

    • @littleblackfox1
      @littleblackfox1 Месяц назад +3

      ​@firetruck988 Australia has gangs and inner city slum areas too.. we have low income areas, suicides and drug addicts a plenty.. context matters sure? but theres a difference of over 5 fold here..
      Plus, do you genuinely believe that having guns available everywhere, vs guns being heavily restricted, has no affect at all on gun related deaths?? Like nothing?? You can't seriously believe that lol

    • @firetruck988
      @firetruck988 Месяц назад +2

      @@littleblackfox1 a) suicide won't skew your gun stats if they're not using guns to do it due to handgun availability.

    • @firetruck988
      @firetruck988 Месяц назад +3

      @@littleblackfox1 Your logic: "unalives are ok as long as they're not gun related, we can just ignore the problem".

  • @nicklager1666
    @nicklager1666 2 года назад +85

    Being bullied and being a bully can be so disruptive too a young childs social learning and ability. Having been bullied myself i can say that im still every day learn small tricks to try and catch up to others my age when it comes to being socialy adequate.

    • @Nikki-sf6bs
      @Nikki-sf6bs 2 года назад +15

      Thank you for not turning into a serial killer.

    • @darthsmack7090
      @darthsmack7090 2 года назад +13

      Yea same here. I didn't experience it so intensely that I was ever beat up, but I did endure bullying to quite a degree. I also experienced at home too. It had a tremendous effect on how I function as an adult that I still deal with everyday.

    • @glauvie
      @glauvie 2 года назад +11

      May you both come to realize you are valuable and worthy of kindness and joy.

    • @junko4166
      @junko4166 2 года назад +6

      Same here. I don't really hold any grudge towards society in general, but one day I'll get revenge on the bastard that caused be to be socially stunted to begin with.

    • @EMpowered06
      @EMpowered06 2 года назад +3

      They were the ones who were socially inadequate because they bullied you. You’re not ‘socially inadequate’ but learning some tips and tricks is good. No one is perfect in social situations and we all feel awkward at times.

  • @rosenbaum75
    @rosenbaum75 2 года назад +101

    My favorite part of the day. Dr Grande's speculation of situations and his dry sense of humor.

  • @zee_bee_23
    @zee_bee_23 2 года назад +40

    We in fact have more guns now in Australia than before Port Arthur, about 3.6m now vs 3.1m then. The reason, as Dr Grande pointed out, is that the number of private gun owners has reduced, but guns per owner has increased (current average of 3.9 guns per owner).
    So long as you do not have FPO, pass a background check, and have a “genuine reason” for owning a gun, you can own one. Actually there’s no limit, get 10. But “self-defence” is not a legitimate reason. That may sound unjust to some folk, but self defence is a lame excuse for any nut job (insert any episode of Judge Judy). If you want to own a gun and know how to use it in a private capacity, you become a member of a gun club. In short, guns are owned in Australia by people who have legitimate work requirements, and property or private interests, and demonstrate the level of responsibility and sincerity required to keep them.
    If you can’t be bothered with all of that but just want to know what it’s like to fire a weapon, you can still go to your local shooting range, pass a quick check and go for gold. You’ll be restricted to rifles but still a lot of fun.

    • @nomojo1110
      @nomojo1110 2 года назад +7

      The numbers do not reflect firearms % increase vs. population % increase from '96 to present (more or less.)
      Firearms: ~16.1% increase.
      Population: ~45% increase.
      Close to 95% difference.
      Cheers!

    • @zee_bee_23
      @zee_bee_23 2 года назад +3

      @@nomojo1110 great point, thank you!

    • @pretzelstick320
      @pretzelstick320 2 года назад +3

      How is self defense not a legitimate reason?

    • @LostJedi26
      @LostJedi26 Год назад +4

      I'm sorry for the perhaps silly question, but what is FPO?
      As someone who lives in the States, I'm incredibly torn about the gun issue. In our country, gun violence is so prevalent that there've been times when people who were armed actually saved lives by taking down the mass shooter. one of these happened at a church in Texas, the other was at a mall just last month, but I can't remember where.
      I struggle with liking the idea of your average person not needing guns, and with the need to defend yourself from gun violence. I'm completely blind, so I have no reason or desire to own a gun, and I never will, it's just something I ponder. I get angry/frustrated when people are so severely pro-gun laws here that they don't look at other countries' perspectives, or when people from other countries don't try to understand where we are right now.
      Truthfully, we're in an incredibly scary place, and my fiance and I have talked, lightly, about leaving the U.S. someday. I don't know if it'll happen, but who knows.
      Thank you so much for your insight. It helps to understand and to try to understand another's perspective.

    • @zee_bee_23
      @zee_bee_23 Год назад +6

      @@LostJedi26 FPO = Firearm protection order.
      I understand your conflict with the issue being in the US. The reason “self defence” is not a legitimate reason for gun ownership here is that the question becomes ‘what are you defending yourself from?’ Gun violence is very rare here - A total of 27 homicides from firearms in 2019-2020. While there is violent crime, it’s extremely unlikely you will need to defend yourself against a gun, and therefore can arguably protect yourself by less escalatory means. This is of course attributed to our gun laws and accessibility. So there’s no real argument to be made for the good guy with a gun here. The US on the other hand… I really feel for your position in a nation with such a ridiculous incidence of gun violence. Would more restrictions on gun ownership help prevent attacks, or hinder well intended citizens? It helped us, but how much of that is because of our demographics, personal and national relationship to guns, etc.

  • @BigfootRunning
    @BigfootRunning 2 года назад +141

    As an Australian, I have no problems with our current lack of fire arms. Have visited Tasmania/Port Arthur several times and it is an absolutely beautiful place and highly recommended if you like the outdoors and natural beauty.

    • @melvynobrien6193
      @melvynobrien6193 2 года назад +13

      Every human being has a right to carry a weapon. Had one or more of his victims been carrying a weapon, they might have been able to stop him. Visit Australia? The country appears to be run by nazis; no thanks.

    • @saxmusicmail
      @saxmusicmail 2 года назад +15

      And look where Australia is now, with a government out of control, unafraid of their citizens.

    • @pkgum6910
      @pkgum6910 2 года назад +52

      @@melvynobrien6193 Clearly, you have very little understanding of the lifestyle Australians enjoy. Their lifestyle involves the appreciation that, generally, if a confrontation issue should arise, the likelihood of being shot is diminished significantly. In America, as has been shown on RUclips here, a simple confrontation issue where someone chooses to brandish a gun very easily turns into someone being shot. And massacres (schools, etc.) in America seem the norm, too. America seems awash with guns and that Second Amendment has America exactly where it is today. You probably need to carry a gun because there are too many people running around with guns. Guns create more problems than they solve. No thank you.

    • @lenkacfk7155
      @lenkacfk7155 2 года назад +33

      Well, one significant impact of the gun ban: Australia has had very few mass shootings since. Versus I don't even know how many in the US?
      Same here in Germany - very strict gun laws, including psychological screening for everyone getting a permit - one mass shooting maybe every 10 years.
      I definitely don't agree with Dr. Grande in this instance - we curb personal freedoms for communal safety all the time - like having to wear seatbelts, or not allowing drunk driving. And owning guns makes killing someone in a fit of rage just too easy - the samples from US newspapers show that every day. "My brother ate my cheeseburger, so I shot him." "I Texas mother got into a fight with her daughter, so she shot her." In other countries, such conflicts generally get resolved without lethal consequences.

    • @lenkacfk7155
      @lenkacfk7155 2 года назад +36

      @@melvynobrien6193 , speaking as a German: Australia run by Nazis? Get a grip.

  • @komoriaimi
    @komoriaimi 2 года назад +185

    Sometimes when it looks crazy, it is freaking crazy.

    • @joceelee
      @joceelee 2 года назад +14

      Right. Also, it’s not always okay to be different.

    • @mikemike4835
      @mikemike4835 2 года назад

      wAiT aRe yOu jUdGiNg bY aPpEaRaNcEs yOu hUrT mY fEeLiNgS blgOt!!

    • @sorrow2305
      @sorrow2305 2 года назад +6

      What is this comment section?

    • @donaburns1910
      @donaburns1910 2 года назад +7

      It's always the eyes. They have crazy eyes

    • @homicidalmuffin6190
      @homicidalmuffin6190 2 года назад +1

      Love it. Will now use that line ☺️

  • @lucyjane3803
    @lucyjane3803 2 года назад +136

    I was born in Australia in the 80s and can attest that there was little to no mental health support available for most children - the concept barely existed, aside from special schools for severe learning disabilities. I had never heard the term "autism" until I was a teenager in the late 90s. The fact he was assessed for disability benefit then left to his own devices with the attitude of "oh well, he's just a bit different" doesn't shock me at all either. The real failing here was a lack of monitoring, support and treatment for someone who was obviously mentally ill and had consistently shown potential for being a threat to society. Whilst I agree fully with Australian gun laws and don't believe guns are any type of fundamental human right, him being able to buy a gun was just the final failing to prevent this incident, not the first or only.

    • @conorfitzmaurice8959
      @conorfitzmaurice8959 2 года назад +6

      Agree

    • @DistinctiveBlend
      @DistinctiveBlend 2 года назад +10

      The banning of semi auto shotguns is the part I don't understand, thankfully in NZ we kept them.
      Edit to say I'm not surprised an American would be against gun law changes.

    • @diamondd2778
      @diamondd2778 2 года назад +17

      @@DistinctiveBlend every place shd have guns banned . Only an idiot wld think otherwise.

    • @DistinctiveBlend
      @DistinctiveBlend 2 года назад +14

      @@diamondd2778 You can still get firearms in Australia and New Zealand. Personally I'd rather hunt with a rifle than a bow and arrow, jokes aside in NZ we have a huge pest problem and firearms are one of the best tools to take care of them.

    • @mounag8518
      @mounag8518 2 года назад +5

      @@DistinctiveBlend What kinda pest do you get rid of with a riffle?

  • @jockelliott1684
    @jockelliott1684 2 года назад +64

    "Australia marks 25 years since worst mass shooting Reuters":
    Australia has had no mass shootings since 1996.
    "Total deaths from firearms were 521 in the country in 1996. In 2019, with the population up from about 18 million to 25 million, Australia had 219 deaths, official data showed."

    • @pkgum6910
      @pkgum6910 2 года назад +10

      BINGO! Thanks, Jock. I also notice Dr. G did not give your comment a "like". 😄

    • @jockelliott1684
      @jockelliott1684 2 года назад

      @@richardgray3112 I'm not sure what your point is. The stats I cite just relate to deaths related to firearms.

    • @TomDog5812
      @TomDog5812 3 месяца назад

      How many deaths from knives? How many from hammers? Bombs? Automobiles?
      Why wasn't this guy in a locked psych ward? What wasn't he medicated? Would that have interfered with his rights to identify as a mass murdering psychopath?

    • @Redwarfa
      @Redwarfa 4 дня назад

      ​@@TomDog5812so you are saying that knives and semi automatic weapons are comparable
      Laws surround cars ownership to try to protect the innocent ,so by your logic gums should have lots of laws

  • @leahvogelsimpson
    @leahvogelsimpson 2 года назад +72

    Imagine waking up on this day, going about your business and this happening. The entire situation and loss of so many is very sad but the mother and her two children just breaks my heart.

    • @standupstraight9691
      @standupstraight9691 2 года назад +3

      Having been to port Arthur the year before, you couldnt imagine a place where this occuring would be less likely!
      its a long way from the city in a peaceful country setting.

    • @mezanian
      @mezanian 2 года назад +10

      He actually got out of the car and chased the girls and their Mother, Nanette around trees to shoot them. For that reason alone I'd hang him.

    • @BeckBeckGo
      @BeckBeckGo 2 года назад +3

      That was the worst for me too. I worry about how he prioritized the shooting. No parent should see their kid die, but no small child should see their parent die.

    • @BeckBeckGo
      @BeckBeckGo 2 года назад +1

      @@standupstraight9691 yeah statistical probabilities suck that way. I mean, you expect more violent crime in a city. Mostly because there are simply more people there, so there’s simply a higher chance of a psychopath living in a city, but also all the other factors like relative anonymity, stressors, less of a sense of community, and less of a worry about safety, and whatever else I don’t care to get into. I’m not badmouthing cities. I’m a city kid. Just stating the objective facts.
      So these small town folks feel relatively safe. And they are. But that doesn’t make them absolutely safe. It just means the likelihood of this kind of thing happening is lower.
      Which, in a weird way, makes this more upsetting. Not sadder. It’s always sad when something like this happens, no matter the place. But the element of it happening in a place people usually see as a safe place to live adds this sense of surprised misery. You feel really disillusioned when you hear about things like this. Makes me want to go live in the deep woods sometimes.

    • @leahvogelsimpson
      @leahvogelsimpson 2 года назад +1

      @@mezanian oh my God. There's no words for how despicable that is.

  • @beeimaginative
    @beeimaginative 2 года назад +51

    Fascinating discussion on this case. I can see how important balance is on our societies. Making laws based on “what you do to the least you do to me” versus personal freedoms at any cost. Ethics aside, it seems that Martin was very disturbed from a young age and did not get the help he needed. You explained his childhood wasn’t bad but his mother knew something was seriously wrong with him.

    • @Artybruh
      @Artybruh 2 года назад +22

      @@AlwaysPossible100 completely agree mate, aussie here. None of the arguments of gun rights mentioned in this video resonated with me at all. We culturally (with exception of a few) don't care about guns, it's not part of our culture the same way it is in America. Gun violence has decreased BECAUSE of the gun laws that followed, thats a fact. I wouldn't make any arguments on what should happen in America though, the issue there is more complex, and the fact they could more easily have guns smuggled in illegally in their country compared to Australia where that really can't happen

    • @joceelee
      @joceelee 2 года назад +8

      When he was pre-teen he would torture animals and once lit a building on fire that had people in it. When he got into trouble and was asked whether he learned his lesson he said no, I’ll probably do it again. He was so low IQ, troubled and cruel that no one knew how to handle his situation.

    • @standupstraight9691
      @standupstraight9691 2 года назад +12

      @@Artybruh . The chances of getting randomly shot by a stranger in Oz are so small that it hardly occurs to most people. Most shootings are targeted organized crime (bikies) related.

    • @gaebren9021
      @gaebren9021 2 года назад +5

      Catherine H. I agree with you.
      I think part of the problem is that what he really needed was social skills. And lessons like this were hard to come buy back in the day.
      I have seen people with low IQ who have really good social skills, they talk and interact well.

    • @Zozette27
      @Zozette27 2 года назад +4

      His father also knew something was seriously wrong with Martin as he was growing up, no need to put blame just on his mother.

  • @JaxonHaxon
    @JaxonHaxon 2 года назад +88

    Always appreciate your analysis Dr. In regards to Gun policy, as an Australian, you can get a gun, it's an ability, it's regulated and it's not seen as a 'fundamental human right' which no other country believes it is. Hunters are still out there in the bush shooting kangaroos and wild pigs, and the people who want to shoot people have to meet a standard or go through difficulties on the black market to acquire them. Gun regulation is the norm, America still has gun regulation, so this point of view is really weird from my perspective.
    Looking at America, there are so many shootings perpetrated by accident and by people who (like say, teenagers) who should not be able to access firearms by going into their parent's closet. That's before the people who are able to acquire them for the express purpose of killing people but the bar is so low (legally and illegally) that it's inevitable.
    In Martin Bryant's case, he was an intellectually disabled man with violent tendencies. I think most people would agree he should not have legal access to a firearm. He would be able to acquire one for a steep price but one easily accommodated given his material wealth so it may not have prevented this entirely but it certainly would have hindered it, perhaps with enough efficacy that he would have been found during his planning phase rather than after the deaths of 35 people.
    You don't need a good man with a gun to stop a bad man with a gun, if the bad gunmen don't have guns the good men don't need them either. It's a catch-22 that Americans seem to perpetuate as an ideology. Also it prevents bad men from shooting first for fear that a civilian or innocent is going to be a hero and happens to have a concealed weapon waiting to use it in a criminal scenario so we still have crimes that have the threat of gun violence, but a much smaller chance of eventuating in actual gun violence.
    The Second Amendment was born out of a time where they had just had a war for independence and wanted to make sure revolution was always possible by the people for the people, but looking at January 6, 2021, this idea of revolution goes both ways, people can be caught up in a conspiracy and look to overthrow the government off the back of people who are not dissimilar to Martin Bryant but manipulated to a mastermind's will.
    Gun-related crime and Murder still exists in Australia but the disparity with America is certainly through better living conditions, social climate etc. on top of simple regulation of guns in general. By making less people less desperate and driven to commit crimes of necessity by having a strong liberal welfare state Australia has curbed a lot of the primary factors that drive crime in general. Most of the gun violence in Australia is perpetuated in relation to the prohibition of drugs but that's a story for another time.
    Tl;dr. Australians have the ability to get guns, it's just a process. Americans have a similar process so it seems hypocritical to think we're oppressed and oppressing people by limiting their access to guns.

    • @rachaelraggi
      @rachaelraggi 2 года назад +32

      Literally thinking this lol the idea of having a gun being a fundamental right is so bizarre. It seems so warped from the outside lol I am Northern Irish and thank god we didn't have free access to guns here in recent decades, things would have been a hell of a lot worse than it already was.... The idea of guns as a right has only proliferated gun use and gun ownership in the US and this is why they have so many more gun deaths per year than any other country in the world

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +2

      Rather than compare gun crime in Australia with that in America, it is of course more revealing to compare Australia with Australia, i.e. before and after additional restrictions. And when you do that, as noted in the video, there is no decrease in deaths.

    • @ukaszrybkowski2769
      @ukaszrybkowski2769 2 года назад +24

      @@eadweard. I've just checked the statistics and there seems to be a clear decrease in the number of deaths by guns after the year of 1996 (when the shooting happened). After that year the number of deaths by guns dropped almost by half in just two years and remained that low to this day.

    • @lucyjane3803
      @lucyjane3803 2 года назад +25

      Yes exactly - all of this. I grew up in Australia, now live in the UK, where even the majority of police don't carry guns. Port Arthur was really just a catalyst for Australia to update old gun laws that went back to a colonial past equivalent to the "wild west". Unlike the US, Australia realised it wasn't 1890 anymore. In modern day society the only civilians who need firearms are farmers to cull wildlife or euthanise livestock, or for sport like duck hunting. This idea that access to guns should be some type of fundamental human right is so alien to pretty much anyone who wasn't raised in the US and it was weird to hear an educated professional like Dr Grande try to justify it.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +2

      @@ukaszrybkowski2769 Yes but as noted in the video the trend was already going in that direction.

  • @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson
    @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson 2 года назад +66

    Dr Grande, why didn't you mention the fact that they have had significantly fewer mass shootings than we have in this country? I think that's pretty significant.

    • @s13180sxSR20DET
      @s13180sxSR20DET 2 года назад +16

      We have had 0 mass shooting since this one. And we had a few before this one... the gun buy back is a very clear success. Dr Grande is reckless in his statements here and exercising extreme bias... he talks about homicide rate declining but doesnt put that down to the law changes and doesn't talk about mass shootings because he would then have to admit it's been a huge success... very bias and disappointing. I expected better from him.

    • @komoriaimi
      @komoriaimi 2 года назад

      @@s13180sxSR20DET I mean no disrespect but here I come. The reason why he's being reckless or kinda pro gun is because Dr. Grande is an American and Americans are infected with a certain mindset. In some ways and to a lesser extent akin to North Korea's brain washing.

    • @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson
      @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson 2 года назад +2

      @@komoriaimi I mean, I'm an American. I made the original comment here... I'm very much opposed to gun violence, and the rampant availability of firearms, these weapons of mass destruction, in this country. You can't even go to the movies without the threat of being gunned down. Hell. You can't even go to fucking Walmart these days, without potentially getting shot up. Just this last weekend, there was a shooting in a Walmart near my house (Walmart is a large department store, for anyone who doesn't know, the kind that pretty much everyone goes to...) The unwillingness to act and change anything relating to our gun culture is absolutely infuriating in my opinion.
      This country is in a rapid decline. In many ways. We have this absolutely undeserved American exceptionalism around here, where we seem to think that we are the best, above the rest of the world in so many ways. Except, there's more violence than many places in the world. There is more poverty than a lot of places in the world. We don't have socialized medicine. In fact, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. You literally get zero days of paid vacation guaranteed by law. We are dominated by our capital overlords. I fucking hate this place. And everything it stands for.

    • @mahlee18
      @mahlee18 2 года назад

      @@ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson I'd agree with a surprising amount of your comment, perhaps for differing reasons.
      I will say though, when one strictly looks at a sound comparison between Australian shootings pre and post Bryant incident legislation vs. America...Well, America is America, and not Australia. What works here, doesn't work there and vice versa. We're different from strayans, czecks, nigerians, russians, etc, etc.

    • @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson
      @ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson 2 года назад +4

      @@mahlee18 not necessarily saying that what worked for Australia would work for America, but I am saying that doing absolutely nothing is not helping. Infact, It's getting worse.

  • @riversong_
    @riversong_ 2 года назад +54

    This event left a scar on the collective Australian psyche. You didn't even mention that he chased one of those little girls behind a tree. A complete monster. It severely impacted the people that were first responders and innocent bystanders. I know of at least one person that came to the scene to help and ended up committing suicide. I am proud to live in a Country that has decided that we don't need guns in normal day to day life and that we don't have to live with the fear of gun violence.

    • @user-xr9kj6by3u
      @user-xr9kj6by3u 2 года назад +4

      that is horrendous to hear and imagine! and as a european all i can say - good on australia for reacting swiftly and decisively. americans will bend over backwards to try to justify the fact that year after year they let thousands of people die needlessly all in the name of a """fundamental""" right 🙄

    • @VoorTrekker88
      @VoorTrekker88 2 года назад +3

      @@user-xr9kj6by3u Someone has to remain free and coherent in order to bail you Europeans out every time one your leaders goes soft in the head and declares himself Supreme Ruler of the Universe. Our guns allow us to stay that way. Just try to think of them as a vaccine against tyranny.

    • @user-uu5hc7up4i
      @user-uu5hc7up4i 6 месяцев назад +1

      if u dont fear anyone ,u must not lock yur doors at night???

    • @riversong_
      @riversong_ 6 месяцев назад +3

      @user-uu5hc7up4i I lock my front door at night when I remember but I'm not worried that someone will come in and shoot me.

    • @eggZ663
      @eggZ663 4 месяца назад +1

      If you watch this channel you should know there's all sorts out there. Guns or no guns, I would probably just lock the door anyway

  • @Adrian-ju7cm
    @Adrian-ju7cm 2 года назад +21

    I thought this was about mental health you focused too much on gun rights.

    • @patnolen8072
      @patnolen8072 2 года назад +2

      Martin Bryant's case is only important because of it's impact on gun rights. Before I became involved in sport shooting, I had never heard of this incident. Most well-read, sophisticated people outside of Australia have not heard of it.

    • @Adrian-ju7cm
      @Adrian-ju7cm 2 года назад +2

      @@patnolen8072 I understand the impact and importance of discussing gun laws with this case and explaining it to people who never heard of the case. However I feel the Dr shifted to much to this topic.
      I feel back then and in my day's the help and resources weren't there for kids who had problems however we didn't all turn into killers.

  • @zenadra
    @zenadra 2 года назад +45

    I am an expat, now an Australian citizen, I was an avid shooter and was on the shooting team in high school. However, living in Australia, I feel 100% safer from random gun violence. However, you can still own guns in Australia it is not a 100% ban. There are gun clubs, and you can own and shoot your gun there. Also, if you own a property, outside of the urban areas you can own certain types of guns to protect yourself from dangerous animals and pests. Those guns can also be used for sports shooting on that property. You simply cannot walk around with a gun, buy a gun at the local department store or have one in your house. Also keep in mind Australia is a Federation, not a constitutional republic. Our constitution is for the federation not the people. And we do not have a bill of rights. So, no one here has the right to “bear arms” or “plead the fifth”. We do have laws for freedom of speech, and the right to not incriminate ourselves but they are not part of the constitution and are legislated differently and are not a blank check.

    • @steven-el3sw
      @steven-el3sw 2 года назад +3

      Australia does not have free speech.

    • @tertia4808
      @tertia4808 2 года назад +7

      In Australia you can keep firearms & ammunition stored in your home as long as it is stored in a regulatory considered secure safe.

    • @Relayer56
      @Relayer56 2 года назад

      Sounds like you found the right place for you, if you fear gun violence. I have no such fear, and place a high value on freedom. I have visited Australia twice and enjoyed it. However, based on the recent shows of force against its citizens, I could never live there.

    • @zenadra
      @zenadra 2 года назад +3

      @@Relayer56 I'm sorry you have NO idea what you are talking about. Do not conflate American Politics with Australian Politics. On the most part people here are MORE than happy to have had the lockdowns and safety and security. The few who are complaining about it are the outliers not the norm. Everyone I know no matter their political leanings, would rather be safe than believe they are better off with their family and friends dying around them. so they can have "MY FREEDOM" that's just foolhardy, selfish and childish. Go ahead and stay in American.

    • @Relayer56
      @Relayer56 2 года назад

      @@zenadra like I said, you have found the best place for you. Celebrate your lockdowns and lack of freedoms.

  • @streaming5332
    @streaming5332 2 года назад +157

    As an Aussie I can say everyone felt a lot safer after the removal of guns. Also people who genuinely need them such as farmers can apply for a gun licence. The laws were changed on account of this case but also because Australians did not want a gun culture as in America.
    The film Nitram (Martin spelled backwards) explores this case in depth.

    • @mitochondriac5946
      @mitochondriac5946 2 года назад +28

      And as a bonus our cops don’t need to feel under constant threat and become trigger happy morons.

    • @pierrepence9876
      @pierrepence9876 2 года назад +18

      Gun ownership wasn't a "fundamental right" in the U.S.A. until our sick and vicious Supreme Court corrupted the Second Amendment to say every schmuck on the block has an a right to a semi-automatic. Absolute rubbish.

    • @joceelee
      @joceelee 2 года назад +23

      I’m thankful to the older generations of Australians who put aside their want to own a gun for self-defence of themselves and their families, for the good of our nation. Our children and grandchildren will never be shot at school.

    • @kevinross6235
      @kevinross6235 2 года назад +2

      @@AlwaysPossible100 I find it weird how people can feel safe without guns & with guns. I've seen people talk about feeling safe because their country has guns, and I've also seen people say they feel safe because their country has guns. I guess humans are different like that

    • @GRIGGINS1
      @GRIGGINS1 2 года назад +3

      I will point out more people are killed in Auto accidents than by gun violence in the US. You can look up the numbers and see for yourself.

  • @achaides
    @achaides 2 года назад +62

    So sad how some people just get ostracized from society, feel completely isolated and can receive literally zero mental health support 😔

    • @dazeyday5699
      @dazeyday5699 2 года назад +4

      @@nikkimclay5474 he made more about one of his victims, Ms. Harvey. He always has a weird respect for the gun wielders.

    • @happytravels5487
      @happytravels5487 Год назад +2

      Imagine as a parent finding your child killing animals at a young age and doing NOTHING 😳

    • @tomsevcik1792
      @tomsevcik1792 Год назад +1

      @@happytravels5487 I wouldn’t say she did nothing. Imagine having one child and to your surprise he’s just a complete fuckin maniac. And then u say once he matures he will be more responsible. Even Grande said no problems happened in the house. I honestly think raising him was not like raising a kid. More like raising a devil child. And I’m serious… Also, somehow he was never considered a liability in terms of his mental health 😢. How the docs didn’t come back with psychop is absolutely beyond me. Everything Grande described in his behavior is literally what comes up on Google from psychop

    • @jesurenbnb
      @jesurenbnb 9 месяцев назад +2

      Yeah but he still killed people who didn't do anything to him

    • @scottandrews947
      @scottandrews947 7 месяцев назад

      This guy was good-looking and had money. His only limitations were self-imposed due to his low IQ and social awkwardness.

  • @mosisusasu9205
    @mosisusasu9205 2 года назад +174

    As an Australian I think the big reason we're big on gun control is because, even if homicide rates are comparable, it's easier to avoid becoming part of that statistic if you play your cards right.
    Getting involved with shady characters will still, as always, provide the chance of being murdered. Similarly, getting in a stranger's car will do the same.
    But the chances of minding your own business at a cafe, or at work, or at a club and yet still becoming the victim of a murder are drastically lowered. Especially for mass murders, seeing as we haven't had an indiscriminate mass murder since (I think we've had a familicide or two though). I guess it's a lot harder to kill 20 random strangers with a knife, so when these dangerous people make these plans, they usually try to illegally obtain a firearm and are often caught in the process.
    But yeah, I think the general consensus is that while the murder rates are still comparable, it's much easier to avoid being murdered.

    • @carpediem3044
      @carpediem3044 2 года назад +2

      Agree. But that's not relevant in this case.

    • @RaelThomas
      @RaelThomas 2 года назад +11

      It's not comparable though. The US has a rate of 5 per 100,000 people to Australia's 0.9.

    • @robertpirsig5011
      @robertpirsig5011 2 года назад +24

      100% agree; it's a right I'd have no problem giving up if it meant my kids were not practicing drills to avoid nut cases during school.

    • @DipityS
      @DipityS 2 года назад +8

      @@RaelThomas Figures don't bare out, dude, the number of deaths by guns in America, with the different populations taken into account, is way off the chart. Y'all got one righteously ugly mess you need to see to before you start explaining the smell away with different population numbers.

    • @margaretlumley1648
      @margaretlumley1648 2 года назад +22

      An Australian also, I feel very safe knowing my chances of being shot are pretty close to zero

  • @Foxxorz
    @Foxxorz 2 года назад +53

    Gotta love when people miss a continuous stream of red flags.

    • @bobisonline
      @bobisonline Год назад

      Exactly! Just as in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, Highland Park and the list goes on. Every one of these had a mentally diminished loner as the perp! They sent off hints, (not going to use the term red flags!) and they were ignored!

    • @jesurenbnb
      @jesurenbnb 9 месяцев назад

      Hey man it happens sadly

  • @rooster8274
    @rooster8274 2 года назад +3

    I've been waiting for this one for a year. Thank you, Dr Grande. Love from Australia.

  • @karenglenn6707
    @karenglenn6707 2 года назад +43

    As an Australian, I am so glad that our gun laws are as tough as they are. I have never felt afraid here, though in my 3 previous visits to the US was always hyper vigilant, even if just hearing people yelling. Our schools don’t have metal detectors, we have very few mass shootings. This is just how I feel as an Aussie and don’t want it to be any other way.

    • @zenawarrior7442
      @zenawarrior7442 2 года назад +9

      Good to hear it. Here in the US they always moan and protest gun laws/control etc won't help. Obviously facts are opposite as other countries prove over & over but can't reason with unreasonable people.

    • @crippledalien5937
      @crippledalien5937 2 года назад +6

      They won’t ever learn. No matter how many nutjobs randomly decide to commit mass murder.

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 2 года назад +5

      Karen, as a fellow Australian , I couldn't agree more, at least we can send our children too kindergarten, knowing they won't be shot by someone with a gun. Like you l can go out, without the fear that some crazed gun person will come out and shoot me. Also when in America , I'm hypervigalent. As for John Howard , a head shot could have taken him down . I appreciate our gun laws. I am a Proud Australian .

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 2 года назад +4

      @@zenawarrior7442 Thank you Zena that was a great comment. Best Wishes from Australia.

    • @cottontails9003
      @cottontails9003 2 года назад +1

      @@nikkimclay5474 Nikki, thank you, I really liked your comment. Stay safe and happy to all our friends in New Zealand.

  • @emmamessydreamer7
    @emmamessydreamer7 2 года назад +22

    Dr. Grande is really out here making 2022 a better year already 🙌

    • @bthomson
      @bthomson 2 года назад +1

      Looking back, these videos have really enriched a mostly arid and cheerless year! Thank you!

  • @jenilynneful
    @jenilynneful 2 года назад +57

    Giving up some freedoms for safety is literally he point of a society. My children’s’ right to survive childhood trumps your right to own a deadly weapon.

    • @robertgiles9124
      @robertgiles9124 2 года назад

      Then only Criminals have guns. They are not going to obey laws. Get it?

    • @jenilynneful
      @jenilynneful 2 года назад +6

      @@robertgiles9124 lmao how can someone be so illogical

    • @jenilynneful
      @jenilynneful 2 года назад +9

      Dr Grande is a gun enthusiast. Because he has chosen to label guns as toys his perspective is skewed, and he is being dishonest in his assessment of the gun regulation studies. But guns are not toys, no matter how you find to include them in games.

    • @pebblepod30
      @pebblepod30 Месяц назад +2

      ​@jenilynneful
      Hello Jenny. It's easy to say that for me too as I am an Australian where it is very hard to get access to illegal guns to commit crime and we also have a fairly low crime rate.
      Yet if I lived in the US I would buy a gun for self defense asap.
      But the whole point of a gun is also to protect your child & yourself from someone else here the crime rate is fairly high, the police cant get to your home in time to protect you, and the criminal who has easy access to illegal weapons coming over the border. New tech can give a gun a fingerprint scanner too.
      Other countries like Switzerland manage to have a very high private gun ownership without the mass shootings that the US has, and mass shootings are also fairly new in the US as well, where it has become a Social Contagion and way to gain media notoriety.
      So I understand why Americans don't want to give the very thing that can protect themselves withz if they go to gun training and follow safety precautions.

    • @Redwarfa
      @Redwarfa 4 дня назад +1

      ​@@pebblepod30Americans could try alarms and good home security

  • @leah1tee367
    @leah1tee367 2 года назад +137

    As an Australian I found this quite disappointing. In particular I didn't understand why Dr Grande spent so much time discussing fundamental gun rites, when that did not and does not apply to Australia. Surely that's a topic for an American gun issue video, rather than on Martin Bryant. I would have much preferred that this discussion remained relevant to the actual situation in Australia.

    • @DanielVisOneCade
      @DanielVisOneCade 2 года назад +16

      I thought the same thing.
      Someone as articulate & well spoken in so many topics applying such a clearly biased point of view rings as very strange.
      That said the fine Dr is clearly aware of his own bias & is only human so it's to be expected if he feels strongly on the subject we will see some bias injected.

    • @JReklis
      @JReklis 2 года назад +17

      The topic of gun rights in Australia has never been more important... we are now reaping the tyranny that our cowardly parents sowed

    • @shaneneave399
      @shaneneave399 2 года назад +18

      @Amy Weinholtz You had a choice to get what was often well above market value for your gun, after Port Arthur. It had a nearly 90% approval amongst us Aussies. All up 650,000 firearms were handed in. This saw a big decrease in suicides by gun, etc. *The Prime Minister who wanted this at that time, was a very conservative one.

    • @pia4432
      @pia4432 2 года назад +13

      It’s weird but I felt confused…was this a criticism on Australian gun laws or an analysis on Martin Bryant. I mean at what point does America learn something needs to be done about their gun laws? Why is this almost impossible? I’m glad Australia changed our gun laws. This massacre changed our whole country. Politicians on both sides worked together and in a few months it was law. A right to bare arms doesn’t change the record amounts of school shootings….it’s shameful.

    • @dianewoods6494
      @dianewoods6494 2 года назад +12

      Agree absolutely, he does not understand the Australian context at all. Certainly his information is very dated as many who opposed the legislation now support it after recognising the fairly small effect that it had on their lives.

  • @pkgum6910
    @pkgum6910 2 года назад +81

    Dr. G. By fair comparison, it would be interesting to see, how many school massacres Australia has had in, say, the past 20 years compared to America, don't you think?

    • @sallywarren5700
      @sallywarren5700 2 года назад +17

      Zero. We’ve had no school massacres.

    • @headoftaxreformandpercenta4908
      @headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 2 года назад +5

      And maybe also consider the social aspect that you people so love to ignore. How many decades did people take guns to school and even have classes with them? It's the gradual weakening of society via the education system itself, and now especially social media. The guns have always been there. It's clearly because it's absolute total control from our tyrannical government and not safety, otherwise the primary issue would be dealt with, which is handguns. The cities already have strict laws and highest crime rates though so that would destroy the narrative.
      Australians are bending over to a corrupt government and expect everyone else to, but we in the US know damn well that the government needs us weak to finalize their globalist plans. If you're unfamiliar with any of that I suggest you do some research and stop choosing to be so blind to the actual nature of things.

    • @sallywarren5700
      @sallywarren5700 2 года назад +12

      @@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 sounds like you know nothing about Australia

    • @headoftaxreformandpercenta4908
      @headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 2 года назад +3

      @@sallywarren5700 I've seen enough to understand the state of corrupt governments. Australia is tyrannical. Stay asleep if you wish but it doesn't change that undeniable fact.

    • @sallywarren5700
      @sallywarren5700 2 года назад +5

      @@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 visited often?

  • @shanesmith7672
    @shanesmith7672 2 года назад +62

    Watch the movie Nitram (Martin backwards) if anyone's interested in a gritty drama about him. It's pretty accurate aswell down to some neat details.

    • @jevinday
      @jevinday 2 года назад +8

      hell yeah dude, thank you so much for the recommendation! I would have had no Idea about it if you wouldn't have commented. I don't really like hollywood, I feel like international films are usually so much more creative, whether they're in English or a foreign language. I'm excited to watch this film! thanks again

    • @clayton7463
      @clayton7463 2 года назад +1

      I thought they did pretty well with it. I watched on a whim without knowing any back story and was rocked. Had no idea where it was heading for a while.

    • @beejavaid4512
      @beejavaid4512 2 года назад +1

      Will do!

    • @nicoletonga5260
      @nicoletonga5260 2 года назад

      is this on a streaming platform

    • @shanesmith7672
      @shanesmith7672 2 года назад +1

      @@nicoletonga5260 Yes, Stan.

  • @boink800
    @boink800 2 года назад +27

    Which country has the most mass shootings in the world? The country with very lax gun laws.

  • @bfreeman7550
    @bfreeman7550 Месяц назад +2

    This was well done Dr. I am amazed at the number of commentators who claim you don’t understand how great it is to have given up a right to protect themselves and their property, only to explain how crazy it is for another to not want to do that. As you said, it is a complex issue. One that far outpaces keyboard warriors who didn’t take the time to think about and produce a video to discuss it.

  • @janiirosethorn6137
    @janiirosethorn6137 2 года назад +143

    In 2019 an Australian killed 50 people while they were at prayer at 2 mosques in New Zealand. He could not achieve this aim in Australia because of the gun laws. New Zealand had weaker gun laws at the time so he was able to obtain the weapons he needed. I believe New Zealand has since toughened the gun laws there.

    • @Steelie1963
      @Steelie1963 2 года назад +6

      The only people in NZ with access to military style semi automatic rifles are the Police and crime gangs.

    • @PeterKnagge
      @PeterKnagge 2 года назад +8

      @@nikkimclay5474 it has taken time for guns to be removed from the Australian black market, unfortunately the US international gun smuggling ring black market is huge. It's too easy for criminals to get guns from US.

    • @jackiechild9740
      @jackiechild9740 2 года назад +2

      @@sherrylovegood agreed!

    • @dprcontracting6299
      @dprcontracting6299 2 года назад +6

      @@sherrylovegood thank you JoJo. I live in Christchurch about 2 km from one of the Mosques and was here when it happened. It wasn't your fault, he was just a total nut. No one holds any Australian culpable for it. We do however hold your government culpable for deporting all the crims that may have lived in Australia most of their lives but had never had citizenship. Gang violence has increased exponentially since Dutton started this 'taking out the trash' as he so descriptively put it.

    • @mikemike4835
      @mikemike4835 2 года назад +2

      @@sherrylovegood nobody knows radicaI more than musIims

  • @prahanormal
    @prahanormal 2 года назад +77

    The homicide rate might not have changed much in australia, but the evidence that gun regulation prevents individuals from commiting massacres like this is undeniable.
    Also the right to own guns shouldn't be a thought of as a fundamental right, frankly. Nobody needs guns to live.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +1

      What does it matter if overall no lives are saved?

    • @prahanormal
      @prahanormal 2 года назад +18

      @@eadweard. what about the hundreds of people who get lifelong injuries or permanent trauma because of spree shooters, armed criminals, and civilians who dont properly handle guns. Blinding yourself to every effect besides homicides is missing a lot of the harm laissez faire gun policies can allow.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +2

      @@prahanormal If homicides didn't decrease, what reason do we have to think crime-related injuries decreased?

    • @prahanormal
      @prahanormal 2 года назад +7

      @@eadweard. because they're two different things that can be effected by policy differently

    • @supergran62
      @supergran62 2 года назад +11

      Actually, statistically the homicide rate is falling on average 2% per year
      Citation. Australian Government. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. Injury in Australia: Assault and Homicide. 9 Dec 2021.

  • @RuhrRedArmy
    @RuhrRedArmy 2 года назад +148

    I am a typical Australian in this regard. I do not see owning a lethal firearm as a human right and I cannot understand why such a thing would be held in high regard. Americans have clearly been conditioned to overvalue gun rights. Every country does indeed have the right to draw its own line as to how efficient a weapon of murder is allowed to be owned by any citizen. We could all have the right to own sarin gas, but there is no justification. Likewise, high power firearms belong only in the hands of the few with a legitimate occupational reason. It isn't that hard.

    • @dearbh1736
      @dearbh1736 2 года назад +17

      100% Agree

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +22

      ownership of firearms in the USA is enshrined in the constitution because the people for whom it was written used those firearms to gain independence. the 2nd Amendment protects their ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, and in my opinion they're long overdue to exercise that rate because a bipartisan political system with the biggest lobbying industry in the world may as well be tyrannical.
      I don't see how someone can overvalue gun rights in a country with so much violent crime committed with illegally-obtained weapons - stricter gun control won't affect those guns in any meaningful way while also preventing law-abiding citizens from defending themselves.
      here in Switzerland, firearm ownership is also enshrined in the constitution. there is little to no gun crime, and we had one mass shooting in the 90s perpetrated by a mentally disturbed ex-soldier.

    • @Amy-hp9nz
      @Amy-hp9nz 2 года назад +12

      @fag bag Same and actually I'm kind of put off, it's a shame because I watch his videos every single morning and always feel like he talks sense in this crazy world.

    • @handsomepetevideos
      @handsomepetevideos 2 года назад +9

      @@commander31able60 ok fine - having guns to protect against a tyrannical government is fine, but you don’t need to carry them or take them to school etc. It’s like saying “i need nukes to protect us from Russia and North Korea and then when you nuke California for disagreeing congress you argue that we need nukes to protect against Russia.”. It flat out doesn’t make sense. Also, one of the “funniest” things I can think of is a bunch of Americans with guns rising up against a government that spends billions and trillions on war machines. It would take literally 2 minutes for the government to wipe out the patriots with guns. In fact, give the mob a few minutes and they’ll likely shoot each other just walking to the battle.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад

      @@handsomepetevideos I don’t think it’s very tactically sound to attack the government - the “patriots” would most likely hide, in the woods or among the general population, and cripple the economy that bankrolls the war machine. It’s also against the constitution to deploy the US military against its own population.

  • @yellowrosek2146
    @yellowrosek2146 2 года назад +12

    This was such a sad time in Australia’s history. It affected so many families and communities. Thank you Dr G on your thoughts.

    • @Catiecatiecatiecaful
      @Catiecatiecatiecaful 2 года назад +5

      I didn’t like his thoughts, he was basically saying the gun control scheme was over -reaching and didn’t work. Well, I was 10 when it happened and I lived in Tasmania. I was terrified it would happen again. We never had a mass shooting in the whole nation since. So I don’t appreciate dr grande’s thoughts. I appreciate John Howard’s gun control legislation. That is what let me grow up in a safe world.

    • @kevinross6235
      @kevinross6235 2 года назад

      @@Catiecatiecatiecaful Did Australia had mass shootings like this before?

  • @YuesWoman
    @YuesWoman 2 года назад +378

    As an Australian, I just want to say that we haven’t had a shooting massacre since Port Arthur so tightening gun laws worked. I’m very proud of Australia’s gun laws.

    • @jaclo3112
      @jaclo3112 2 года назад +13

      Eh. There have been a number of mass shootings since Bryant. Like the one in Margaret River where the giuy shot his entire family...wife, daughter, grandkids....all of them.

    • @Zozette27
      @Zozette27 2 года назад +25

      @@jaclo3112 - Rose should have said that there has not been a mass shooting of people (4 deaths or more not including the perpetrator) in a public place. Family mass murders are put into a different category because the motivations are so different. However by that definition the Darwin Shootings of 2019 would classify as a mass shooting. However the motivation for those killing remain unknown and we probably won’t know more about it until the trial.

    • @jaclo3112
      @jaclo3112 2 года назад +21

      @@Zozette27 motives are irrelevant when it comes to classifying a shooting as mass shooting.

    • @chubbycatfish4573
      @chubbycatfish4573 2 года назад +22

      How many mass shootings were there before?

    • @MrNexor-cj8gs
      @MrNexor-cj8gs 2 года назад +8

      @@Zozette27 nice moving of the goal posts.

  • @richardt1792
    @richardt1792 2 года назад +146

    This case reminds me of Adam Lanza. Same diagnosis, plenty of warning signs yet no attempt to have an early intervention.

    • @mnmmnm8321
      @mnmmnm8321 2 года назад +2

      Yes

    • @DR-nh6oo
      @DR-nh6oo 2 года назад +5

      They did intervene by denying him access to his money but not his guns, although laws may not have allowed for this at the time, it is not hard to imagine this may have set him off further.

    • @TimTamRipple
      @TimTamRipple 2 года назад +3

      As an Australian I believe we did the right thing for us all. We dont have and never did have a love of guns like an American has,. I will nrver understand an individual who has a right to own a gun. I do however believe that an individual has the right to protect themselves, their family and or property , in a reasonable and humane manner, using whatever they feel is reasonably necessary to do so. That may be by means of a weapon , physical attack or assault , verbal or mental aggression /abuse. So long as the person or persons are given a warning (if practical and can do so), and the person or petsons attemting assault or harm on that said person are made aware of the consequences to themselves if they continue to atack/assult the person . Eg fire a warning shot, say if you step any vloser i will shot you in the leg, foot (whatever) and then it will be a kill shot if you keep going (as a last resort. ) I also believe the person must also attemt to persuade the atackers by other means either verbally or physically ie throw a stuck or stones (?) as long as the defendant can show they made readonable attempts to subdue or persuade the attackers from their course of action as much as possible and by using as much less harmful means as possible, then they can be expected to to defend themselves , family and property without prosecution . And be absolved of guilt according to the law. All the warning sighns were there but as usuall ans what is not unique to Australia , is that mental health is often overlooked , underestimated and not very understood and resources are scarce. When something like this happens then we all cry out for change , theres alot of noise and even more promises by our leaders and then when the sensation is over its sweept under the caroet untill the next sad event. Maybe instead if “jjust gun laws” thatI still believe in by the way, we could have a serious talk and reform on mentsl health and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Niw that eould be great.! Maybe DR G and other youtubets would need diffetent content to talk about on their channels.

    • @dennischapman8683
      @dennischapman8683 2 года назад +6

      Both false flags lol

    • @helenwood1
      @helenwood1 2 года назад

      I thought the same thing. He even looks like Lanza a bit.

  • @100deidara001
    @100deidara001 2 года назад +25

    I am so grateful for the fact that we have strict gun laws here in Australia. If you want them, you can still get them. I believe that people should go through screenings before you can buy one and adhere to safety restrictions when you do have one. The right* to own a gun isn't taken away, there's just a bureaucratic barrier that helps to stop people from lashing out, buying and using one in the heat of the moment. That's not to say that spontaneous shootings don't happen, but I believe that barrier is why the rate of these shootings has stayed down, though it would be interesting to know why it was going down before the laws were introduced. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, I'd love to see more international cases covered on your channel!
    *Note that we don't actually have fundamental rights that're protected by the govt. in AUS, we just have a few scattered provisions (which I think is an issue, but that's a different discussion).

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +2

      you do know that same bureaucratic barrier exists in every country with legal firearms ownership? even in the USA there are background checks and you usually have a wait period, depending on the state, before you can get any weapons.

    • @TheDanCarr
      @TheDanCarr 2 года назад +4

      I live in Queensland and own several rifles, I like the licensing system in that it's not too difficult or complicated to get a firearms licence but is enough of a hassle that anyone who isn't going to take owning a firearm seriously isn't going to bother (it takes about 6 weeks after completing the firearms safety course to receive the licence and another 6-8 weeks to receive the first permit to actually purchase a gun).

    • @100deidara001
      @100deidara001 2 года назад +1

      ​@@commander31able60 I should have clarified that I like that Australia's gun restrictions are amongst the most strict in the world. What I said in my original comment implies that I thought the US had no restrictions which is not true at all of course.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +1

      @@100deidara001 bureaucracy is an evil that exists as a parasite in any power structure. It’s like the fleas on a wolf.

  • @Flamsterette
    @Flamsterette 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the upload. I've always wanted to know more about the case.

  • @rebecafenenbock3004
    @rebecafenenbock3004 2 года назад +1

    You are so fair and intelligent i totally agree with you on this. I have listened to every one of your videos from educational to the most recent. I truly enjoy and appreciate your point of view.

  • @helpyourcattodrive
    @helpyourcattodrive 2 года назад +34

    Early Grande is great. So many stories, so little time. Thank you, Grande.

  • @juttadestiny6810
    @juttadestiny6810 2 года назад +67

    I remember when this happened! My neighbours were in tasmania on holidays I heard later that they had just left the cafe before Bryant went crazy! Truly terrifying watching the news was bad enough! I will never forget it so sad☮️🇦🇺

    • @glauvie
      @glauvie 2 года назад +5

      Literally dodged bullets! So thankful you didn’t lose your neighbors.

    • @ladymopar2024
      @ladymopar2024 2 года назад +2

      I can't even imagine he just went around shooting everybody I'm with his IQ who knows what else he could have done but situation had to be terrifying for people there

    • @ozpride1014
      @ozpride1014 2 месяца назад

      You could have seen the Mossad agent who did it

  • @SusanCartersBooks
    @SusanCartersBooks 2 года назад +68

    Thanks for covering this case.
    I'm from Sydney, Australia, and although some people see it as taking away our rights, a lot of Aussies don't see it that way.
    I'm happy that we have the gun restrictions that we have. Although we still have gun-related crime here, we haven't had a mass shooting that has claimed the lives of more than about 5 or 6 people since the laws were changed in 1996.
    Mass shootings and sadly, school shootings in the US are too often seen in the news these days.
    It's not that people can't own a gun here, it's that they can't go and buy an automatic or semi-automatic, which are the weapons of choice for these kinds of crimes.

    • @ricbarker4829
      @ricbarker4829 2 года назад +1

      Osmington shooting 2018, 7 dead, and yes, you can buy a semi automatic firearm in Australia.

    • @SusanCartersBooks
      @SusanCartersBooks 2 года назад +7

      ​@@ricbarker4829 Okay, I was wrong about a couple of things. But I do know it isn't easy to get a semi-automatic though. Lots of hoops to jump through to get any gun legally. Anyway, my main point still stands about how much good the gun laws have done here in Australia.

    • @ricbarker4829
      @ricbarker4829 2 года назад +1

      @@SusanCartersBooks You are correct. To obtain a semi auto rifle you must have a valid reason, such as a professional shooter who culls problem species. A semi auto pistol, which I think would be more dangerous in a mass shooting episode, if you planned it out like Bryant, it would take you 6 months to obtain one with no other reason than you want one. It is debatable if the new gun laws have made Australia safer. If I wanted to kill a hundred people today I could drive my truck down Rundle Mall at 100kph. As for jumping through hoops, it is harder to get your drivers licence.

    • @leonmacri2910
      @leonmacri2910 2 года назад +4

      Fooled by the false flag, fake as can be.

    • @Xzyel.
      @Xzyel. 2 года назад +3

      @@ricbarker4829 The Osmington shooting was familicide so not a mass shooting under the definition of a mass shooting, As an Aussie I didn't even hear of this in the news when it happened, I had to search it up not Surprised though because familicide is really common here.

  • @chrissyknowsitall5170
    @chrissyknowsitall5170 5 дней назад +1

    I'm subbed to 60 minutes in Australia and I just watched a episode they did about this guy. So I looked into him and found this video. I can't believe I never heard about this guy. RIP to all his victims 🕊🕯🕊🕯🕊🕯

  • @shaneneave399
    @shaneneave399 2 года назад +92

    I normally agree with your opinions. As an Aussie I find your views odd on gun rights. Also your example is an odd one.
    For example if I had dementia I would have my car licence taken off me, to protect others. Or if I insisted on drug driving, the same would happen. You need a drivers licence, just like a gun licence. It’s a privilege, not a right.
    *We can own several guns, just not the type solely made to kill humans.

    • @gunnertlc7728
      @gunnertlc7728 2 года назад +7

      In America you have the right to bear arms lol.

    • @shaneneave399
      @shaneneave399 2 года назад +9

      @@Youdatguy I see photos of American guys in Target, with six automatic rifles strapped to themselves. All I see is a very fearful man, (or occasionally woman).

    • @supergran62
      @supergran62 2 года назад +3

      👏👏👏👏

    • @autumntaco8722
      @autumntaco8722 2 года назад +3

      I'll give an American's perspective: Driving a car is a right. Driving it on public roads is a privilege. You don't need a license to drive or purchase a car (though some dealers and banks may refuse you), you do need one to use the public roads. The only way it'd be comparable is if the government decided to require a license to use public ranges, or require one to carry it on your person in public (which most states do). Buying a gun may not require a license, but generally it does require a background check unless you're buying from a private seller (aka Jim bob who's selling his daddy's old hunting rifle).

    • @kyriedacrybaby1938
      @kyriedacrybaby1938 2 года назад +2

      I'm an American & you're absolutely right. The misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendement by Supreme Court here has made it impossible for the sweeping gun changes needed here. When our constitution was written 2 factors Dr. Grande totally misses on, 1) the constitution was ratified in the 18th century when technology didn't allow even semi automatic fire nor were revolver style pistols available 2) gun rights activists as well as SCOTUS don't take into effect the right to own guns as part of a well regulated militia as documented in 2nd part of 2nd amendment & we now have state run national guards outside of the normal structure of our regular & reserve military branches to defend against what the 2nd A was written to deter in 1st place, central government tyranny and they are the militias referred to in the constitution not the losers in military garb that stormed US capital on Jan 6 & many state capitals in the turbulent 4 years of our con artist 45th POTUS. As we learned from our disgraceful 45 th president that even an insane conman isn't powerful enough to overturn all our checks & balances & steal an election. Idk much about Aussie gun laws prior but fundamental right & gun ownership shouldn't be accepted in the civilized world but there are simply to many advocates & money in politics to get rid of our terrible gun policy and mass shootings domestic killings gang violence etc will always remain as American as apple pie which is a travesty & misinterprets our own constitution.

  • @ericainchains5806
    @ericainchains5806 2 года назад +10

    Perfect timing. :) I have a job that I'm able to take Dr. Grande with me to listen to while I work. Makes the time go by. :)

  • @vhscalator6233
    @vhscalator6233 2 года назад

    I just found this channel through RUclips recommending a video and I am so happy I found it. The analysis about this subjects as well as the dry humour in the Dhar Man video is just 👌
    Looking forward to catching up on the rest of the videos and future content.

  • @lisatitirangi
    @lisatitirangi 2 года назад +64

    It's very hard for Americans or South Africans or people who live in other violent societies to understand how alien the idea of guns as a fundamental right is to those of us who live in less violent countries. Not a controversial issue, never seen any campaigning to make it easier for people to kill each other. If I went to a local police station and said I need to own a gun to protect myself, they would look at me with curiosity - "Protect yourself from what?"
    I try not to get involved with debates on guns because if you live in a country where gun ownership and killings are rife, what can you do? Can't go back in time and change things so they can live like the rest of us. Better to say nothing and let them get on with it. I suggest the same approach from people who live in those gun rampant countries trying to advice the rest of us about what is good for us.

    • @deborahprosper751
      @deborahprosper751 2 года назад +13

      @Lisa Nadis, well said. I agree with you 100%. There is no reasoning when the belief is that it is some God given right to own and use a gun. How do you explain the simple concept that violence begets more violence? As you say, you can't turn back time, it will only get worse. No amount of mass shootings will shift their thinking as the view is that guns aren't bad, the owners are!

    • @lisatitirangi
      @lisatitirangi 2 года назад +19

      @@deborahprosper751 Well, yes. For me the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a gun is as strange as the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a landmine. Or a small nuclear weapon. Why not? You never know when you might need to defend yourself or your property. If that sounds ridiculous, that's how ridiculous the right to keep a gun in the house sounds if are fortunate enough not to live in a gun culture.

    • @tomswift6198
      @tomswift6198 2 года назад

      America is a violent society? Huh. Where I grew up near Boston even grandmothers had guns. Violent crime was COMPLETELY unknown, and not because the grans were waving guns around. I suppose it could have something to do with the total lack of diversity in the local population - nothing but boring ol' white people for thirty miles in any direction. Whatever the reason, it just isn't a violent place. Of course, if all you know about America is what you see on TV, you might think otherwise.

    • @lisatitirangi
      @lisatitirangi 2 года назад +6

      @@cht2162 That is interesting. I don't feel qualified to comment on the use of guns in America. I do feel like commenting when an American tells us that we should be more like them and normalise guns as if they are a natural part of life, whereas I am quite happy seeing them only when I am on holiday in the USA.

    • @toolthoughts
      @toolthoughts 2 года назад

      I live in a society that's arguably safe, and in fact you can't really get a firearms licence on the basis of self-defense, nor is there a right to own them. But we have a large amount of guns, and they're ownership isn't universally seen as incomprehensible or alien. One major factor in this is a cultural connectedness with nature, and hunting as a part of it. Another is national defense. We have a conscripted military, so the majority of men (and many volunteer women) in any age group are familiar with firearms, and that takes a lot of mystique and fear out of it. The history of fighting for our independence in three large wars, and getting through that in large part by the competence of the infantryman, trained willingly, does contribute to the understanding of the need and importance of firearms and the knowledge to use them.

  • @user-xr9kj6by3u
    @user-xr9kj6by3u 2 года назад +29

    so somehow, in america, bearing arms is a "fundamental right" (why?) but having medical insurance, unemployment benefits, guarantee that you won't become homeless etc, are not.... you do you i guess...

    • @mandywalkden-brown7250
      @mandywalkden-brown7250 2 года назад +7

      Because they insist on misinterpreting the Second Amendment. IQ of peanuts. My apologies to peanuts.

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад +3

      A little knowledge is dangerous,
      you need to educate yourself, we have a constitution in the United States and there's a second amendment, why don't you read- up on that, before you post ?
      we have unemployment as well & medical care, you're just repeating hear-say.

    • @mads597
      @mads597 2 года назад +2

      You’re not wrong- cries in american :(

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад

      @@mads597 whatever that means?

    • @user-xr9kj6by3u
      @user-xr9kj6by3u 2 года назад +8

      @@frankpaya690 no i am quite familiar with the facts. do you know that in most european countries you don't have to pay for medical insurance? you actually just...have it? everyone does. that is what it means to have universal health as a fundamental right.
      As for your second amendment, just because it's in the constitution, doesn't mean it makes any sense. in fact ,that is the entire point of my post, you guys have really skewed priorities and the rest of the world keeps looking in horror as people like you try to defend it....

  • @peggycearnach8034
    @peggycearnach8034 2 года назад +63

    This tragic event changed gun laws in Australia. My understanding is that all of the states agreed upon standardised licensing rules, and the new standards prohibited anyone with a criminal record or mental illness from owning guns. The rules also limited the number of guns and the guns firing capacity per person. People were able to hand in weapons no questions asked for a time, a friend of mine was quite upset as some of his hunting rifles were collectable. That said, the chances for a child to accidentally shoot his own mother in the back while she is driving in the car are infinitely lower here in Australia.

    • @melvynobrien6193
      @melvynobrien6193 2 года назад +8

      A madman goes on a shooting spree and the government takes away guns from normal people; that makes sense. NOT. And, are there a lot of children who have shot their mothers in the back while they are driving? Were children allowed to carry rifles in the back seats of cars till the law changed? Silly comment.

    • @peggycearnach8034
      @peggycearnach8034 2 года назад +10

      @@melvynobrien6193 Wow, you missed the part after listen carefully lol

    • @levoxsixty-nine6843
      @levoxsixty-nine6843 2 года назад +26

      @@melvynobrien6193 far from silly. Every week, someone is shot by a TODDLER in America. And these numbers are five years out of date. Australia handled this perfectly, as did the Australian people, who aren’t tethered by the paranoia and obsession with pseudo 'freedom' enjoyed by the States.

    • @jeremybradley559
      @jeremybradley559 2 года назад +12

      @@melvynobrien6193 hasn’t been a massacre here since.

    • @rankoss3437
      @rankoss3437 2 года назад +2

      @@jeremybradley559 also very wrong

  • @melimoo6656
    @melimoo6656 2 года назад +16

    Dr grande. I normally agree with you, but australia had multiple mass shootings before and not a single one since. So all benefits as far as I’m concerned. And besides, you can still go to a gun range and get a license if you can prove you need it.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +1

      it's not about you proving you need it, but about the issuing authority deciding whether you need or not. that's the difference between "may-issue" and "shall-issue".

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад

      @@sherrylovegood do you really trust one of the most corrupt governments on earth to make good decisions for you?

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +1

      @@sherrylovegood I direct you to Wikipedia - list of political controversies in Australia.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад

      @@sherrylovegood yes, Wikipedia is a reputable source. we're not 2005 anymore. each line there has sources below, if you want to go to the source. Wikipedia provides a condensed information package.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад

      @@sherrylovegood Wikipedia isn't but a shitty nearly-defunct website from 2005 is. yes I went to high school too - the only reason teachers refuse to accept Wikipedia as a source is that it would be too easy.

  • @debbiec4530
    @debbiec4530 2 года назад +12

    It was very interesting to hear Dr Grande’s ideas about gun restriction. We know Dr Grande knows a lot about guns. We heard all about his love of cars- but not yet about how he came to know so much about guns. This is another case I never heard of. The joke about the airplane was golden!🤠💕

    • @streaming5332
      @streaming5332 2 года назад +7

      Is that because America has so many mass shootings. They would hardly notice one in Aus. There were no more after this due to better gun control.

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад

      @@nikkimclay5474 How many people that were bullied, grow up to be a mass killer?

    • @mads597
      @mads597 2 года назад +2

      @@sherrylovegood rational minded people exist! We just aren’t heard over the sound of incessant gunfire •__•

    • @mads597
      @mads597 2 года назад

      @@frankpaya690 even if they’re not mass killers they’re traumatized and hurt, and they often go on to hurt other people. There’s no good reason.

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад

      @@mads597 If the majority of people that are bullied don't wind up murdering anybody, then "bullying" is not your common denominator, any more than guns are.

  • @julieamcalees2929
    @julieamcalees2929 2 года назад +5

    Thanks Dr Grande
    Wow this was interesting
    Mental health awareness is a Must... This could of been avoided. Crazy
    Thank u again

  • @THEMAYQUEEN1
    @THEMAYQUEEN1 2 года назад +27

    My x husband quit his bus driving job the morning this happened. The driver that replaced him was shot and killed.

  • @Ali-kb8gr
    @Ali-kb8gr 2 года назад +2

    I just watched an documentary about this terrible event.. Yet again I found myself thinking " what would Dr Grande speculate is going on in a case like this?" and here you are. You never fail to deliver 🤗

  • @JennyTolios
    @JennyTolios 2 года назад +18

    As per your request Dr Grande, I am placing a comment here as I am sure it will generate an "interesting dialogue". Thank you as always for your informative videos, however could not let this one pass without comment as it hit so close to home. Your commentary regarding peoples right to bear arms is fundamentally simplistic. I am Australian and remember the Port Arthur massacre like it was yesterday. The fact that Bryant had access to so many military grade weapons amplified his carnage a thousand fold...at one point killing 12 people in 15secs. So we as Australians said "never again", our government listened and 12 days later we had the largest overhaul of gun control legislation in our country's history. No-one b!tched that they had lost their "fundamental" rights to own a gun (we hadnt by the way...) or that the government was evil and wanted to take all our rights away (they weren't). You saying - in essence - you don't agree that law abiding gun owners should be punished for the actions of a few bad apples is (in my opinion) reflective of the stranglehold gun lobbyists have on the US. How many more mass shootings do you need to make a change?? How many more parents have to bury their children because some kid was having a bad day and decided to bring an assault weapon into a school....?? I'm sorry for the rant but like I said this subject hits close to home...my friends husband was in that café...

    • @kkheflin3
      @kkheflin3 2 года назад +5

      I couldn't agree with you more. Americans are so obsessed with guns and I believe they are eventually going to destroy this society. Was it Einstein who said "when America falls it will not be destroyed from the outside. it will be destroyed from the inside . I think I'll move to Australia.. Plus due to the wind currents it's probably the only country that would be safe in a nuclear war. I guess I can raise sheep or at least do something!

    • @JennyTolios
      @JennyTolios 2 года назад +3

      @@kkheflin3 You would be more than welcome Down Under my friend...and I'm sure we'll find something for you to do (in case the sheep thing doesn't work out 😊). Totally agree with your comments...absolute shame that not all Americans see what is happening to their lovely country

    • @linesydclb8845
      @linesydclb8845 2 года назад

      Well said

  • @brianf1132
    @brianf1132 2 года назад +7

    Another terrific video and analysis from the Doctor. Your last comments hit hard with being a vet. If you ever want to use their services, the more of yourself you have to give.

  • @mediamonster8005
    @mediamonster8005 2 года назад +25

    why should owning a gun be a fundamental right?
    owning a car is a similar thing - but you still need a licence and to test people to make sure they are capable of using a car in order for them to have one. I think guns are the same (if not more so).

    • @JaZmine147
      @JaZmine147 2 года назад +3

      THANK YOU. YES.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +1

      Well the idea is that guns are a necessity if you want to resist a tyrannical government. Cars are just for getting around.

    • @mediamonster8005
      @mediamonster8005 2 года назад +1

      @@eadweard. do you live in a tyrannical government?

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад

      @@mediamonster8005 I'm just pointing out why guns, unlike cars, are considered a fundamental right in the US. The political conditions in my own country have no bearing on that fact.

    • @mediamonster8005
      @mediamonster8005 2 года назад +1

      @@eadweard. and even if you did, do you think a few people with some guns could fight back against the whole US military? you're president is also the commander in chief... he can enforce the entire army forces on your population... owning a few guns does nothing but put your immediate family and friends at risk.

  • @SamFrysteen
    @SamFrysteen 2 года назад

    Have been meaning to ask for this one for ages. Glad you got to cover it. Keep up the great work mate

  • @latyshal.2286
    @latyshal.2286 Год назад

    Great analysis Dr. Grande. I just learned about this horrific mass shooting today and decided to search RUclips for more information. Saw your video in the search results and knew you wouldn't disappoint. May all of the victims continue to rest in peace. 🕊💫

  • @johnbrookes4892
    @johnbrookes4892 2 года назад +17

    as an ex Brit now living in Aus i'm always baffled by the 'right to bear arms' . I think the perspective given - that people have to 'give up' a fundamental right in reaction to major incidents - is a curious one. Why would carrying a gun be a right? What do people want guns for? Protection? From other people with guns? As far as UK goes, where we dont have a constitution, a mental health and background check is required for a licence, similar to clearance to work with vulnerable people This is accepted by many as being for the good of society. interestingly, UK Police Service Officers (whom i worked for in a civilian capacity) , when last polled , voted overwhelmingly to remain unarmed. As you say this does not eradicate shootings on mass scale, but how does one measure prevention of incidents that havent happened as a result? The issue in UK and Aus is overwhemingly knife crime... even after 10 yrs in Aus i still feel a little unsettled seeing police and security staff with guns!

  • @adamgardiner5869
    @adamgardiner5869 2 года назад +21

    As a gun enthusiast who would love to own an assault rifle, I 100% agree with the restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arther. The safety of the people supersedes my desire to shoot things fast. Also we have had close to zero mass shootings since, so Grandes argument about the efficacy of the ban is wrong.

    • @tomswift6198
      @tomswift6198 2 года назад +3

      So, aside from those committed by this madman, how prevalent were mass shootings BEFORE these draconian laws?

    • @rankoss3437
      @rankoss3437 2 года назад

      Switzerland has citizens owning machine guns and the like, the rules are over the top.

    • @mitochondriac5946
      @mitochondriac5946 2 года назад

      @@Warriorcock6969 😂yeah sure mate😂

  • @azlizzie
    @azlizzie 2 года назад +1

    I found your analysis to be highly informative. Thanks! I appreciated the rights discussion.

  • @hauntedshadowslegacy2826
    @hauntedshadowslegacy2826 2 года назад +5

    Hearing about Martin's enjoyment on the flight just breaks my heart. There's a lot of 'what if's I could lay out, but the bottom line is that none of the better alternatives happened. Ultimately, this is a textbook example of why psychiatrists and psychologists are crucial professions in any developed country.

  • @demonkagerou
    @demonkagerou 2 года назад +33

    I think "fundamental right" for guns are not there. It is more comparable to owning and driving a vehicle. You need to be able to demonstrate a level of competency. It's an earned privilege within a framework of "rights". I think for something to qualify as "fundamental right" its more basic survival and the person as agency over their own being. Right to defend oneself? Yeah. Right to have a gun? No.

    • @JDoe001
      @JDoe001 Год назад

      Are you proposing that a person should defend themselves with a knife against another person that has a gun (criminals will ALWAYS have avenues to obtain guns)?
      What about a woman against a man who wants to harm her?
      Or a handicapped person defending his/herself against a fully-functional individual of any gender who wants to cause harm to him/her?
      What if it’s several people against one person?
      Or an adult who is about to hurt a child?
      Do you want to get within arm’s length with a psycho?
      I KNOW it’s a fundamental right for me to be able to defend myself PROPORTIONATELY with ANY WEAPON against a person whose intention is to hurt me, or someone else, and the person with ill-intent has a distinct advantage in a conflict, whether it be with their brute strength, or because he/she/they are armed with a weapon!

    • @demonkagerou
      @demonkagerou Год назад +4

      @@JDoe001 Hello pro-gun bot. My argument is that guns are not at the same level of "fundamental right" as basic survival needs. No one is born with a gun, nor need nor knowledge of how to use it. You earn that. That is what makes gun ownership a privilege, as opposed to a fundamental right.

    • @janda5816
      @janda5816 Год назад

      @@JDoe001 I know that since the firearms ban in Australia there hasn't been a mass shooting since. It works for Australia, and the vast majority of Australians are in favor of it. No one's asking you to move to Australia. You're welcome to stay in the U.S.

    • @ashigaru1500
      @ashigaru1500 Год назад

      @@demonkagerou being born with it has nothing to do with it, at all. It's the right to be able to do it

  • @echardtschloeder5178
    @echardtschloeder5178 2 года назад +11

    Thank you for this one, great to hear your views on it. One thing that is difficult to convey was the scale of gun law reforms and the controversy around it, like prime minister Howard wearing a bullet proof vest under his suit at a gun rally is an image that stayed with me as a child, and people at the rally were offended that his staff deemed it necessary. So many things come to mind. Also, the devastating effect the massacre had on the Port Arthur community.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. 2 года назад +2

      Well I guess it wasn't necessary.

    • @echardtschloeder5178
      @echardtschloeder5178 2 года назад +2

      @@eadweard. correct, it wasn't necessary.

  • @chadjohnson3958
    @chadjohnson3958 2 года назад +2

    Dr. Grande should release a blooper reel if the footage exists. He is so professional and serious, there has to be footage cut out of him cracking up at times 😝. I love jokes and sarcasm he inserts into the dialogue.

  • @steelcurtain187
    @steelcurtain187 2 года назад +1

    Great coverage and insights as usual, Dr.

  • @maxlethe3973
    @maxlethe3973 2 года назад +21

    I miss the educational videos of your early days, but you've got your formula down. Good for you

  • @venderstrat
    @venderstrat 2 года назад +3

    John Howard (Prime Minister at the time) did the right thing. Legend.

  • @amyprice3661
    @amyprice3661 2 года назад +2

    Had never heard of this case. Very interesting as always!

  • @rosalindgibbs2980
    @rosalindgibbs2980 2 года назад

    Its been a while since I set and listen to Dr G this story is so intense that chills go down my spine. I will always enjoy his videos.

  • @ashleyelizabeth8335
    @ashleyelizabeth8335 2 года назад +44

    Dr. G, can you please cover the Treva Throneberry case (written about in Texas Monthly). It’s interesting and involves possible DID, amnesia, or maybe con artistry. I would love your insights!

    • @AlphaMom55
      @AlphaMom55 2 года назад +2

      Do you remember what issue/minth featured that article? I've subscribed to Texas Monthly for years but don't remember reading that article. 💙🙏

    • @Dayglodaydreams
      @Dayglodaydreams 2 года назад

      Is DID even a real thing?

    • @ashleyelizabeth8335
      @ashleyelizabeth8335 2 года назад

      @@Dayglodaydreams yes it’s apparently a trauma response to severe abuse in childhood from what I’ve learned.

    • @kodiekulp
      @kodiekulp 2 года назад

      @@Dayglodaydreams it's more like yes and no some psychiatrist think it's real some don't

    • @avigobindlall7342
      @avigobindlall7342 2 года назад +1

      I think it is still recognized in the DSM 5 criteria

  • @blvtzpk
    @blvtzpk 2 года назад +13

    Like many others posting here, I am Australian. This is very much a "Where were you when you heard...?" incident for Australians.
    I should point out that this incident was preceded (admittedly, by nearly a decade) by two mass shootings in Melbourne: the Hoddle Street massacre and the Queen Street massacre, both of which occurred in 1987 and within four months of each other.
    These two incidents, like the Port Arthur, involved single male shooters: Julian Knight (Hoddle Street) and Frank Vitkovic (Queen Street). Of these two, one perpetrator survived (Julian Knight) and like Martian Bryant, remain imprisoned. Frank Vitkovic ended his life by smashing the window on the floor of the building on which was disarmed (Level 11), and jumping to his death. Vitokovic's disarming is an astounding story in itself, and I encourage others to seek out records of the bravery of those involved in this action.
    While there was almost a decade between these incidents and the one in Tasmania, the reaction to Martin Bryant's rampage was 'one-step-too-far' for most Australians. Not only did Bryant kill more people, but the range in ages of his victims was also wider. Some also believe his methodical execution of many of his victims to be even more callous than the murders carried out by Knight and Bryant.
    In any case, with respect I would say that it was within these *contexts* - not just what occurred in Port Arthur - that more severe restrictions of firearms were put into place.
    Explorations of Julian Knight and Frank Vitkovic could possibly serve as future uploads.

    • @jewdavid5627
      @jewdavid5627 Год назад

      Where were you when Martin Bryant went crazy at Port Arthur?

    • @blvtzpk
      @blvtzpk Год назад

      @@jewdavid5627 Southbank. I saw Billy Connolly walk by. Weird coincidence.

    • @lindytrezise372
      @lindytrezise372 9 месяцев назад

      I was driving from Melbourne to country NSW, I remember it so clearly

    • @ermesfrigerio6257
      @ermesfrigerio6257 4 месяца назад

      Thanks. Martin acts that day were horrible as weird and strange was his whole life before the massacre. I followed Port Arthur events since they unfolded long time ago. I am trying to watch Nitram the movie shoted in Cannes two years ago

  • @terrahallman1891
    @terrahallman1891 2 года назад +10

    I'm a fan. I watch you daily. I remember saying recently... "I'm starting to think that my Dr. Grande is a fan of guns". Can you help me understand. I'm Canadian. I'm a nurse. I don't understand the drive to gun ownership...

    • @patnolen8072
      @patnolen8072 2 года назад +1

      I'm a Canadian engineer. Getting involved in shooting sports has done me a lot of good; I've had a lot of enjoyment from the sport, and met a lot of great people.

    • @mads597
      @mads597 2 года назад +2

      It’s another gross cultural identity thing here, an enlarged sense of power over rational consideration of human safety :(
      Kinda like anti vax in some ways. “My rights- screw you and yours”

    • @luckyduckydaisyflower2344
      @luckyduckydaisyflower2344 Год назад

      Cuz history shows us unarmed public turns to nazi Germany. China. Ect..

  • @HandmadebyCarolyn
    @HandmadebyCarolyn 2 года назад +14

    Over 25 yr later and in Australia this is still considered a major tragedy. As far as your thoughts go; far from feeling like our rights are restricted, having gun control has given us freedom and peace of mind. Most of us here feel sorrow for countries with limited or no gun controls, whose citizens as a result have to suffer through deeply tragic and unfair situations like this one a lot more regularly

  • @d.o.y.vcaninebehaviour.hea1558
    @d.o.y.vcaninebehaviour.hea1558 2 года назад +9

    I was born in 1976 in Australia. I remember this clearly. Especially the gun buy back scheme. My dad was a Hunter. I remember he sold all of his guns in that scheme.

    • @oldsalt8011
      @oldsalt8011 2 года назад

      Well let's hope China does not try to do something stupid with Australia.

    • @DistinctiveBlend
      @DistinctiveBlend 2 года назад +3

      @@oldsalt8011 That's such an old American chestnut, you and your personal firearms won't stop an invading army.

    • @oldsalt8011
      @oldsalt8011 2 года назад

      @@DistinctiveBlend So, you would would rather tuck in your tail and run? That would be cowardly.

    • @DistinctiveBlend
      @DistinctiveBlend 2 года назад +2

      @@oldsalt8011 It isn't going to happen, but I'll play your game as I know it's a huge fantasy of Americans.
      So if you somehow see a trained Chinese army platoon coming your way you hide rather than taking pop shots exposing your location. That way you'll survive to get reinforcements rather than being taken prisoner and facing torture or being shot to death.
      I'd rather be called names (eg coward) than being dead from stupidity.

    • @oldsalt8011
      @oldsalt8011 2 года назад

      @@DistinctiveBlend Well yes of course if you can fortify and wait for help you are better off to improve your chances of survival. America will never give up its rites to bare arms. I still think it would be wise for Australia to be ready at let its citizens exercise the option to arm themselves.

  • @lloywilliams8149
    @lloywilliams8149 2 года назад +14

    I live in a country where guns are not a fundamental right, and I'm appreciative of someone who talks about guns and gun rights in a rational way. I always listen closely when Dr. Grande talks about guns. It's hard for someone outside of the USA to understand the American passion for arms, especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons. I did grow up in a family of hunters, but there were only hunting guns.
    Although Tasmania's murder count did not go down as a result of the change in gun laws, I do notice that the US has many more gun deaths than countries that have strong gun control.

    • @jackdispennett744
      @jackdispennett744 2 года назад +7

      It definitely changes things when you're in a country where guns aren't common. Sometimes makes ya feel safer. I remember being in Taiwan (where guns are extremely uncommon) and riding up a mountain and ending up on a narrow road through a residential area, and thinking that if I were in the US I'd have to worry about potentially getting a gun pointed at me by a trigger-happy homeowner who was spooked by the sillhouette of a bicycle riding by his house at oh-dark-stupid.

    • @Catiecatiecatiecaful
      @Catiecatiecatiecaful 2 года назад +9

      I’m Tasmanian. Australia NEVER had a mass shooting since then. Dr grande didn’t mention it.
      I do not feel safe in the USA

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +1

      @@nikkimclay5474 to verify that you'd need to go to a parallel world where these laws were not passed and look at the shooting data. it could just as well be other factors are responsible for a reduction in mass shootings, not just gun control. after all, you can still get guns.

    • @commander31able60
      @commander31able60 2 года назад +1

      "especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons" because self-loaders are the most fun to shoot. I wouldn't say there's an "American passion for arms", but there are a lot of gun owners in the USA as opposed to other countries. the country as a whole has a love-hate relationship with firearms.

    • @lloywilliams8149
      @lloywilliams8149 2 года назад

      @@Catiecatiecatiecaful Me neither. And we used to enjoy going so much. (Of course, with COVID we can’t go anyway so it’s all good.)

  • @jeremybradley559
    @jeremybradley559 2 года назад +4

    Why is a gun a fundamental right ?

  • @f.4588
    @f.4588 2 года назад

    Very nice and thought inspiring analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande.

  • @paulrobinson5492
    @paulrobinson5492 2 года назад +5

    Terribly disturbing story, but thank you for covering this, Dr. Grande. And I agree with your commentary on the gun issue. I love your videos--always interesting,

  • @MrsBALRx
    @MrsBALRx 2 года назад +33

    Soory. First time I didn't enjoy a video by Dr. Grande. It all has to do with guns, but I am a European, and therefore hold opposite views on the matter.

    • @bexiebrooks1583
      @bexiebrooks1583 2 года назад +11

      Gun violence and proliferation is one of the reasons I left the US and I will never go back. What kind of place does nothing about people being mass murdered with powerful firearms in schools, churches, parking lots, grocery stores and on and on? It's insanity.

    • @yvonnerolley9676
      @yvonnerolley9676 2 года назад +2

      Very unprofessional no one in this field would agree. No longer going to waste time on arm chair pseudo psychology

    • @melvinmerkelhopper5752
      @melvinmerkelhopper5752 2 года назад

      What do you mean?

    • @pretzelstick320
      @pretzelstick320 2 года назад +1

      The history of Europe shows me that those citizens who are unable to arm themselves tend to fall victim to totalitarian regimes. Especially in Slavic countries.

    • @robertmcquiggan9999
      @robertmcquiggan9999 2 года назад

      Absurd.

  • @Tommyinoz1971
    @Tommyinoz1971 2 года назад +2

    Very interesting video, learnt a few things I didn’t know about Martin previously. I was actually in Port Arthur on Holidays just a few weeks before this incident. Shocked that something like this could happen there.

  • @22moonpie
    @22moonpie 2 года назад

    Excellent as usual . Very concise , thank you Dr G ! 😎

  • @archierose1432
    @archierose1432 2 года назад +31

    An absolute MASSIVE event in Australian history Dr. thanks for looking at this.
    To this day - it isn’t hyperbole to say - it continues to influence Australian life and culture.

    • @joceelee
      @joceelee 2 года назад +9

      I hope it helps the families of the victims to know that their loved ones did not die in vain.

  • @NanNaN-jw6hl
    @NanNaN-jw6hl 2 года назад +26

    @12:46 -- please cite you references. I've found that most countries that don't allow everyone to casually have guns, have fewer gun-rampages, fewer suicides by gun, and fewer gun-related accidents. What are your statistics here?

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад

      As if "statistics" aren't subjective, where certain things are ignored, that don't fit the person with an agendas biases.

    • @steven-el3sw
      @steven-el3sw 2 года назад

      Where are YOUR references?

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад

      You've "found"
      I bet that you're the type of person that can't work a math problem and so you count on a calculator and trust blindly it gives you the right answer.

  • @shez5964
    @shez5964 2 года назад +1

    Another great presentation. Clearly explained.
    Dr Grande I'd like to see you do an analysis on the Australian Stoccos father and son criminals and murderers. Their story would be right up your alley. I can imagine their story being a case study in an advanced psychology class.

  • @endgargoyle1
    @endgargoyle1 2 года назад

    My question got a video! Thanks very much for a detailed and balanced analysis Dr Grande!

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 2 года назад +12

    So he tortured and killed small animals!!! I guess it was only a matter of time before he went after humans, he just needed an excuse.

    • @frankpaya690
      @frankpaya690 2 года назад +1

      @@nikkimclay5474 sometimes when you understand something about someone, the best you can do is protect others by locking that person away.

  • @dyldabeast9176
    @dyldabeast9176 Год назад +25

    In Australia you can get a gun.. you have to go through police checks and get a license. We don’t have automatic weapons and I think that’s a good thing. When I went to the US I blew my mind what was available in Walmart ect. Absolutely crazy if you ask me ..

    • @ozyrob1
      @ozyrob1 7 месяцев назад

      Up until the late 80s you could buy guns at Kmart in Australia. It was totally normal and no one thought any different.

  • @MsSilverTulip
    @MsSilverTulip 2 года назад

    Thank you for finally covering this case!!

  • @MrRecklessryan
    @MrRecklessryan 2 года назад +2

    Thanks Doc, great work!

  • @sandrahealey6385
    @sandrahealey6385 2 года назад +17

    Love your videos Dr Grande, maybe first time commenter.
    Most Australians don't mind these restrictions because they realise they don't need guns.
    Legitimate gun ownership is easily avalible to legitimate people. Farmers, sport shooters and range enthusiasts.
    It's really not an issue, unless you have some prior criminal and/or violent history. Simple as that!
    That's why it works for us. I live in Tasmania and love my country.
    Thanks so much for all of your fantastic content.

    • @bobisonline
      @bobisonline Год назад

      Not quite as simple as that... there was a mass buyback (confiscation). Why is it always a matter of NEED? Maybe you like Corvettes or Maserati's. You don't NEED them, please just get a 1976 Ford Pinto and be happy.

    • @user-uu5hc7up4i
      @user-uu5hc7up4i 6 месяцев назад

      if migrants overun yur community would u think yu'll say "i wish i had my gun back"?????

    • @sandrahealey6385
      @sandrahealey6385 6 месяцев назад

      @@user-uu5hc7up4i like I already said. Australians don't need guns. Those that do can have them with proper licensing. It's no big deal.
      We already have too many migrants, but they can't have guns either.
      We just don't have to worry about too many unhinged freaks having unlimited access to guns and ammo for no reason. Simple.

  • @michelledawn2249
    @michelledawn2249 2 года назад +56

    I am Australian too and I definitely agree with the removal of guns. So do the majority of Australians. I definitely don't agree that owning a gun is a basic fundamental human right!! You lost me there! Although I respect your perspective. People who genuinely need them such as farmers are able to obtain them with a gun licence and there are shooting galleries throughout the country where you can go to shoot a gun if you feel the need. There is definitely no need for the average Joe to own a gun. The restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arthur has resulted in Australia having an extremely low firearm mortality rate compared to the USA's extremely high firearm mortality rate. I definitely appreciate living in a country where I don't have to fear trigger happy neighbours. Thanks so much for your videos Dr. Grande :) I enjoy watching them. This is the first time I've commented :D

    • @MrPoster42
      @MrPoster42 2 года назад +7

      It baffles my mind when people think people having military grade weapons is a "fundamental right" and that mass shootings that terrorize an entire nation is just the tradeoff we must endure so they can enjoy their hobby.
      I really enjoy Dr Grande's videos and he seems like an otherwise thoughtful person so I'm shocked to hear him express such gun fanatic ideas.

    • @patnolen8072
      @patnolen8072 2 года назад +3

      When the Port Arthur incident occurred in the mid-90s there was much talk in the media about AIDS. What if a news story broke about a gay Australian who had infected 35 sex partners with AIDS? If this story made a big splash in the media - what then? Would Parliament in Canberra crack down on homosexuality with more anti-gay restrictions?

    • @MrPoster42
      @MrPoster42 2 года назад +1

      @@patnolen8072 Odd assessment. Seems better to make AIDS tests widely available to limit spread

    • @clover309
      @clover309 2 года назад +5

      Aussie and totally agree! Took the words out of my mouth :)

    • @lachieporter7879
      @lachieporter7879 2 года назад

      You do realise that there is more guns and gun owners around now then there was back in 1996 and that not just farmers can own firearms a lot more people than you realise own firearms most for hunting and recreational

  • @briantrudell8248
    @briantrudell8248 2 года назад

    You are so damn intelligent Dr Grande. Absolutely hooked on your content and thoughts

  • @julieann2315
    @julieann2315 2 года назад +21

    This was our first and last big mascara of this kind. We really restricted guns designed to lots of kill ppl quickly. You can still can get hunting guns and farmers usually have a gun or two.
    My dad had a gun on his boat as we were close to Indonesia waters known for prirates. But I'm so glad there aren't many around. The only school shooting I can remember were with a crossbow which is harder to kill large numbers of children with.
    The way this guy killed the little girl who ran away and hid behind the tree is one of the saddest parts.

    • @benmeiss9901
      @benmeiss9901 2 года назад

      a good samaritan with a legal gun couldve been there to stop him, no?

    • @julieann2315
      @julieann2315 2 года назад +3

      @@benmeiss9901 sounds fictional to me to think that everyone whipping out guns would help the situation, he was using AR15 amongst others. I'm glad not to have the stress of random ppl walking around assault riffles.

    • @benmeiss9901
      @benmeiss9901 2 года назад

      its not fictional at all. it happens many times that an active shooter has been stopped by a legal gun owner, often they are a passer by or are patronizing a business when a situation like this happens.

    • @julieann2315
      @julieann2315 2 года назад +3

      @@benmeiss9901 example?

    • @benmeiss9901
      @benmeiss9901 2 года назад

      in white settlement texas, a gunman tried to kill a church congregation and was killed by a church patron who carried his pistol with him, saving the rest. if you google "gunman stopped by armed citizen" you will find many results. Also, there is no such thing as an "assault" rifle. its called an armalite rifle.