Playmate Homicide | Dorothy Stratten Case Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Dorothy Stratten?
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"... he worked as a business manager for sex workers..." This is the most elegant synonym I have ever heard for "pimp".
Lol, 🤔🤣 for real. Sad though.
Should have just called him scumbag.
LOL! The Doc has a gift for these descriptions. Almost like "government speak" for classifying nefarious individuals. Like calling assassins "Covert Life Terminating Expiditers".
@@wyldebyll3089 government speak would call it human traffic
It's a euphemism.
"He worked as a business manager for sex workers", very tactful Dr. Grande. Poor Dorothy was surrounded by creeps. RIP Dorothy.
yeah, Snyder was a pimp. Hefner and Bogdanich were not pimps, Hefner exploited her to an extent, but he also provided her with opportunities she never would have had otherwise.
@@Chasstful Hefner was no boy scout. Please read about him - a lot has come out since his death (which had been hinted at before).
@@laurenrowell9251 To Hugh Hefner, women were sex objects. He wasn't the first one to come up with this idea, but he promoted it in a big way. He also told the women that he was involved with that he was not monogamous, but he did not permit them to date anyone else. In a documentary that I watched, Barbie Benton said that is why she broke up with him.
@@laurenrowell9251 I didn't say he was a "boy scout" just that its incorrect to equate him or anyone with a jealous, petty murderer
@@green8718 sounds like he had life sussed out to a T
The fact his reaction to her divorce letter was to empty out the bank account and pawn her things says a lot about him. Paul saw Dorothy as a cash cow, nothing more.
He also did it to control her and send a message that she will have nothing without him.
He was a complete malignant narcissist and psychopath. Not to mention vindictive.
He was a PREDATOR & loser Mooch...
Yep! Had she not been so beautiful and talented he would have groomed her to be one of his stable of 'ladies'.
They all did.
Exactly, she was his meal ticket. Her leaving him meant the end of his dreams of fame and fortune. He was not going to stand for that. In his mind, he "created" her therefore she owed it to him to make his dreams come true.
My heart still breaks for Dorothy, she never had a chance to know and to love herself.
She was barely 18 when she became famous, surrounded by sleazy men who were competing for control of the prize.
As horrible as her ending was, I shudder to think of her living on in the cesspool of being tossed around by the industry, never knowing for sure if anyone really cared for her.
It seems as though there wasn't going to be a happy ending for Dorothy, and that's unbelievably sad. RIP sweet girl 💔
You've no idea whether she had a chance to "love herself" ... people make massive assumptions. All murder is tragic.
Probably true. It usually takes more time than that.
She chose that situation.
@@peterm1826 The fact that a naive, inexperienced person may cooperate in his/her abuse, does not make it OK to abuse him/her. It's still abuse, and as in this case, it may include criminal acts against the victim.
She did not choose to be stolen from; she did not choose to be murdered.
The power differential between her and Bogdanovich calls into question the ethics of the sexual relationship.
It's very likely Hugh Hefner made a lot more money from her employment by him than she did. Power differential, again.
Your comment could be construed as victim blaming.
I said this in my comment, but where was her mother.
I had not considered the 3 men trying to control her, since the focus was always upon the one that took her life. Ty for widening my perspective on this case, Dr. G!👏
That's why I love his videos. He's really insightful and provides you with a new perspective you might have not had considered.
The difference is, Heffner and Bogdonavich wouldn't have blasted a hole in a woman's face because she rejected them. A rather big difference in character, if you ask me, that went completely unnoticed by Dr Grande, strangely. I have no liking for men like Heffner and Bog, but frankly, they did what successful men and women tend to do: they went after an attractive mate, and pursued their own interests and success. And they tried to control someone? Well golly gee, fancy that: two rich powerful businessmen tried to control someone! What a surprise.
If Grande wanted us to know these people were douche bags, he could have achieved that with more brevity. I'm not certain what he was angling at, but I get the impression he was trying to create a moral equivalency between a total monster and two stock standard Hollywood dickheads. If that's the case, the doctor is off his rocker.
@@jocelynduncan3127 That's what a good Therapist does 🙂
@@aarondavis8943 Jesus. Calm down!
@@Hilz28 Except for the fact that they are not wrong...
She was exploited from beginning to end. May God have mercy on Paul's soul, because no one else ever will.
🙏Thank you for remembering this lovely girl. Rest In Peace Dorothy. “Never go alone to meet with a wolf in sheep’s clothing”
"Instead of naming the movie Everybody Laughed, they should have named it Everybody Stayed Home And Didn't Purchase A Ticket." Died laughing at that one!!
Thank you for calling out Hefner and Bogdanovich. They were both unattractive, insecure men who wanted trophies to laud over their male peers and increase their status, just like Paul. And Bogdanovich marrying Dorothy’s younger sister, Louise, was creepy and selfish. I wonder how Louise feels about that time in her life now.
Natalie - honestly, no matter what one thinks of Hefner and Bogdanovich, their money and power - both men would've been considered "attractive" in their peak eras. They would have had no problem attracting mates if they'd been regular guys.
@@richarddixon7855 Agreed. Empirically speaking, neither man was hard on the eyes, money or no money.
They were flawed but also accomplished professionals.
I dated a bunny. Believe me--Hef was a creep. And Bogdanovic always made my skin crawl. Honestly, I've never married, so I've dated a lot. 75% of the women had abuse stories, some of the worst kind--not a few as children. If there's a MeToo accusation, I almost always believe it.
@@richarddixon7855 erm, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don’t see them attractive, not in their prime. Not even with money. 🤷🏻♀️
The poor woman was preyed upon by 3 vultures, shame on all of them.
Women need to accept accountability for their own outcomes if women are ever really going to achieve that feminist dream of independence. She should have defended herself instead of counting on other people to put her interests above their own. Especially in show business. Those people are satanic sharks from top to bottom
I wish dr grande would do a video on Hefner.
3? Who?
@@martinwhite418Husband, Hef and her boyfriend.
@Reticence9zen924 You don't like men I guess. I'm not sure what Hugh Hefner did wrong. I can see where some might fault him for making such a magazine, but what has Peter Bogdonovich done wrong? Do you just not like guys?
My dad worked for Hugh for many years. That man was banned from the mansion because he went there with a knife and threatened Hugh.
Wow
I believe that. If he was anything like he was portrayed in Star 80 that guy was a real pos.
Really? That part should have been in the docu drama.
Hefner and Paul were alike, just not in popularity and wealth. Perfect explanation.
Nope, a lazy, meaningless and nonsensical comparison.
@@White-Michael935 OK, then YOU offer something more cogent, bigmouth.
@@mariebernier3076 Hefner was a transcendent luminary, a dramatic aberration even from the boldest of 1950's dreamers. He brought the world to him and lived a long life of staggering bliss.
Snider was a slimy street pimp decked out in open shirts, flamboyant hats and ostentatious jewelry that evokes everything creepy one associates with his ilk. He had a corvette, some cocaine, a torture board and a shotgun he used to blow away a naive Canadian snow birds celestial face.
Making Hefner and Snider out as mostly equals is embarrassingly irresponsible....but Peter Bogdanovich and other envious pagans have done worse.
@@White-Michael935 well done. I don't think the comparison meant that that the men were identical, just analogous in their intent toward Dorothy, though.
I’ve always appreciated Dr Grande’s thoughts but I really appreciated this one. He did not hold back on criticizing those exploitive men. Bravo.
Thats exactly why I trust and love the good doctor.
I remember seeing the movie “Star 80” when it came out. Eric Roberts’ acting as a sleazy guy was stellar. Such a great point made, these men were all similar versions of the same.
Thye were not the same in any sense. Hefner and Bogdanovich weren't willing to kill Dorothy if they couldn't control her. Snyder was a real lowlife, this video only scratched teh surface with this guy
@@Chasstful I disagree, Hefner and bogdanavich used there positions to procure strange they otherwise would never have access to. Hefner was a creepy sleazy douche. You will never change my mind on this issue. Pornography just ruins young men, women ruin themselves emotionally and psychologically by acting like prostitutes at young ages. The last 50 years as been a disaster for western civilization courtesy of guys like these.
@@truthsocialmedia I don't care to change your mind, you have a postmodern puritanical view. Hefner and Bogdanovich weren't willing to kill her if they couldn't control her. Maybe Bogdanovich and Stratton were in love? You have no knowledge otherwise. The video should have been about Snyder's psychopathy, not a judge people session. Hefner stumbled onto the fact that there was incredible demand for something like Playboy. If not for him, it would have been others. That's teh way a free society works.
This movie was a very good depiction of what occurred between Stratten and Snider. Mariel Hemingway and Eric Roberts were excellent!!
@@Chasstful Yes, he definitely crossed a line. They were the same as using her as a commodity and for their own financial gain.
Another great analysis, Dr. Grande. And you're so right about the three male "players" in this. The 1970s were not as much fun for women as some folks would like to sentimentally remember them. And you're almost at 1 million subscribers ... AWESOME and WELL-DESERVED! I think I started you when you were at around 200+K. Wonderful to watch your growth!
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Hefner and Bogdanovich weren't willing to kill Dorothy if they couldn't control her. Snyder was a real lowlife, this video only scratched teh surface with this guy
Same been here since 200k!!
Plenty of women from that era parlayed Playboy pictorials to other careers in showbiz
You're killing it with the numbers, Dr. G! 👍
Very good analysis, Dr Grande. Such a tragic fate for Dorothy Stratten. Like everyone, I watched Star 80 and thought that Eric Roberts did a superb job in portraying Paul Snider. What a horrific thing to have happened.
I absolutely agree with your analysis, and especially your opinion of the men in Dorothy's life. You are the only one that I've ever heard actually state the obvious. Kudos to you Dr. Grande for pointing this out! Paul was indeed a hustler and he was clearly using her to benefit himself financially, socially, and emotionally, but just because the other men in Dorothy's life were successful does not necessarily mean their intentions for her were any better, or that it makes their motivations where she was concerned less selfish.
3 sad dudes, trying to keep her dependent on them & away from the others. Another excellent analysis.
I forgot that Peter married her younger sister. Wtf? I guess we all grieve in different ways 🙄
I can't really agree with this because Paul was the one who murdered Dorothy. He was a low life criminal, end of story.
@@littleeva no doubt Paul was a total scumbag. Agree! In his mind he owned her and if he couldn't have her no one could. He was a narcissistic murderer. But it doesn't mean those other men weren't using her to fill their own needs as well.
Well, I bet the other 2 never contemplated killing her.
Right! If you ever need a business manager HMU Jk
This is the very first time that I heard someone actually speak up for Dorothy Stratten. Dr Grande explains the men close to Dorothy so we'll -all of them understanding that they could gain something from her. It's a sad story I have read many times she was a down to earth, well liked person and of course no one deserves to die at the hands of another.
Always sad when a young life ends so early.
Dorothy seemed to try to be decent to everyone!
This guy had it all, except for a true sense of decency. Just couldn't get out of his own way and enjoy life, proving everyone who ever called him a low-life idiot correct
Well she did dump him, resulting in him losing everything, so I wouldn't say he had it all. Interesting that he introduced her into a sphere that was full of better versions of himself who would inevitably steal her
@@meisterproper8304 agreed, I just meant that if he was a better person he could have held on to the life and success he carved out for himself, albeit on her coattails*
Interesting! In US We say coatail?
@@CarolineBearoline I doubt that, she only was with him cause he was the first guy to make her feel good. Don't wanna stereotype but thats classic daddy issues. As soon as she realized that he wasn't that great and she could have way more interesting man, his days in Hollywood were numbered.
@@bthomson I'm an American, just a sleepy American who's brain mixed up an idiom lol
These three men had more in common than they ever knew. Dorothy deserves so much better
'Unsightly appendage'. I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket for the occasion when I need to describe someone I *REALLY* don't like.
I thought you'd keep it in your back pocket to describe what's in your front pocket.
@@eadweard. Yo Mama is in my front pocket!
@@forrestp33 In fairness I hadn't considered that 😕
@@eadweard. 😂🤣
Excellent analysis - I had the same thoughts about Hefner and Bogdanovich as you mentioned. Dorothy seemed to have an innocence about her, but Snider, Hefner and Bogdanovich were all using her. She didn't belong in LA/Hollywood, which is full of users. It's too bad that she didn't just go back to Vancouver, but she was Paul's meal ticket, so he couldn't let her do that.
I kept watching to see if you were going to get to the part where Peter Bogdanovich marries Dorothy Stratten's younger sister! OMG!
It seemed so odd and scandalous at the time.
I like Mr. Bogdanovich s work as a director and film historian. He appeared in The Sopranos as Dr. Melfi's psychiatrist and was quite good.
His work life: interesting.
Private life: crazy.
Yeah a bit odd for sure.Superficial people are attracted to superficial qualities , like beauty , wealth , etc.
I found out today, that he just died last year.
Eric Roberts was fabulous in the movie Star 80. Such a tragedy. As always, thank you for the analysis Dr. Grande!
He was Melissa Perotta it scared the heck out of me because my first husband was like him.I just can’t watch this movie anymore because it’s so realistic
Mariel Hemingway was also very good in the film "Star 80."
@@Gitn2it she was!
In my memory of the movie his performance stands out.
@@sburns2421 he is an outstanding actor, far better than his sister (in my opinion).
Dorothy Stratten was one of those once-in-a-lifetime beauties. Such an unbelievably tragic story. One that has captivated me for years. Every time I revisit this, I want to save her from her terrible fate. (Anyone else?)
Thank you for discussing this case, Doctor Grande.
... always thought she was just an ordinary-looking girl.
She had charisma.
What I call Star Quality.
Her beauty and Presence just knocked a lot of people dead, at the time.
On you tube there's an interview with Johnny Carson. If you watch that you'll see what I mean.
@@richardhart9204 yeah she’s not pretty she has a nice body but back then a lot of women did before long work hours and fast food chains controlled every waking hour
Her loveliness and tragic death at such a young age always reminds me of lines from Keat's poem;
Bold Lover, never, never canst thou kiss,
Though winning near the goal yet, do not grieve;
She cannot fade, though thou hast not thy bliss,
For ever wilt thou love, and she be fair!
I agree about the "Star Quality" comment. Her inner and outer beauty gave her a truly unique presence that transcended to the silver screen.
A very haunting case. Dorothy didn't deserve that horror.
I remember this case so clearly, it’s so horrific
My first job was at the very same Dairy Queen. I also went to the same high school as Dorothy, and saw her name carved in many a desk. One of them had to have been done by her!
I know this case inside and out. This is the FIRST time I've heard it told truthfully. Excellent work.
This is well worn ground, there is nothing new here. other than we're supposed to believe Hef and Bogdanovich were just as bad as Snyder, which is total BS.
@@Chasstful All 3 men took different paths to get there, but they all had the same thing in mind. Paul, who was an amateur pimp, invested his time and money into Dorothy because he felt she'd make him money. When he saw that Hefner, a professional pimp, wanted to invest his time and money into Dorothy, he knew she'd got to the big time. Paul pressured Dorothy, 19 at the time, into getting married to gain control over her, and her finances. She did it because he reminded her that HE was responsible for her career, and that she owed it him. After meeting Peter, a serial adulterer who abandoned his wife and children, she was mesmerized by him. He wanted a replacement for Cybil Shepherd, who'd left him after he told her he didn't want to have anymore kids. So, yes, Dorothy was, indeed, taken advantage of by 3 users.
A sad story beautifully done. I liked how Dr. Grande sized up all 3 men as being basically the same. None cared what people thought of their behavior but here's poor Dorothy wanting them to think well of her. It seems that Paul did everything in his power to deserve getting dumped but Dorothy still wanted to remain friends. Actually, she wanted to live up to the notion that women are never supposed to be anything but kind, loving, self sacrificing, patient, sweet, dutiful, etc.. Dr. Grande, I only found you (and Subscribed) a couple weeks ago and am intrigued. Have you ever done a break-up video (especially ones where the person doing the leaving wants the other to feel happy about it)? Keep up the excellent work. I a retired mental health professional who can't get enough of people and analysis.
Very insightful analysis of this tragic case. Dorothy never had a chance: She was naive to the predatory nature of her husband and other men seeing her as a sort of trophy, not as a young woman who needed to reflect on what she--not the men involved--wanted from her life. And Peter Bogdanovich marrying her sister seems so obsessive and creepy. Hugh Hefner said in an interview that after Dorothy died, before PB got involved with her sister, he had a romantic relationship with her mother. What a tragedy that her life was so brutally cut short
Sad-they all used her. Unfortunately, with her issues, she was flawed too. Not victim bashing-just saying she gravitated toward the situation.
She was very young, and did not have a father to protect her. It is unfortunate, but true, that adolescent girls without present fathers are easier prey for unprincipled men.
@@Tina06019 agreed, truth and protection of women should be above being politically correct
She got into the business at 17 years old by a man 9 years older than her. That situation just became her life, under the influence of an adult who started her career.
That's what nobody wants to recognize in her case, as sad as it was.
Okay...now I remember this one..she was just one of those good kids that everyone took advantage of. Sad life.
I remember watching ‘Star 80’ in the 1980’s. Love that you’re giving your analysis, Dr. Grande. Thank you.
I had to do a double-listen when you said Peter married Dorothy's sister. I was like WHAT?!?! Everyone in this story had issues. Wow. Great storytelling Dr. Grande. Thank you!!
I didn't realize that! Facinating. How long were they married? He just passed away last week or so. RIP
Whenever I saw Bogdanovich interviewed on TV, I thought he was creepy. Could never see the attraction even back in the day when I was a single, young woman not much older than Dorothy.
What a ,Creepy Peepy ,(Peter) thing to do marring the little sister. That's a Woody Allen move.
I read somewhere he talked her in to having plastic surgery too so she would look more like Dorothy. I don’t know if it was a nose job or what.
@@lc-bb6bd Yes he did she even had a plastic surgeon brake her jaw and put it back together to try to give her a more feminine jawline like Dorthy's. I think some face narrowing and cheek implants as well, trying to give her the same type structures and feathers I'm not sure if she had her nose done or breast implants. It's been a long time since I'v read the article. But Peter paid for everything to make her look like Dorthy!
The first time I heard Dorothy's story, I almost cried. The way he tortured and killed her was heinous. That dirtbag was a jealous, miserable piece of garbage who I wished got the justice he deserved without taking her life. Every interview I saw about Dorothy's life, the people talk reckless about that slime ball! I hate him.
I remember this. I was a kid when this happened & I want to thank you for setting the record straight. I always believed that even though her Hollywood friends were powerful they were no better than her husband. It's about time someone said it.
"The images were...clothing challenged" omg you are comedy gold
This reminds me of adult film star Savannah (there’s a documentary about her on RUclips somewhere). Both were seeking paternal guidance, and both wound up getting destroyed because that guidance was terrible.
My husband and I went to see Star 80 and we were blown away by the tragic story. We were just a year older than she was, and had just gotten married ourselves.
I'm a simple woman. I see Dr Grande upload, I click. I like.
I always start my day with a cup of coffee and the latest video from Dr. Grande. Then at bedtime I fall asleep rewatching his videos. Such a calming voice and interesting subject matters.
Not to mention a sublime sense of humor.
Dorothy Stratten was my friend up until her passing. It was horrific and no one will ever forget her. Her radiance and beauty was as Audrey Hepburn said; angelic.
I saw Dorothy’s calendar book posted online. She had done so much in a short time. It was sad how Dorothy died people warned her about Snider. Dorothy didn’t think he’d kill her. I never liked Snider but Dorothy wasn’t a hypocrite she knew she was in deep of a dark place and she wanted to get out and bask in the light. It never happened she was killed and hunted down slain by an evil man. I miss Dorothy as her family does. I wish she was alive to see the light.
Wow, what a great analysis of these events. I've heard and/or watched 3 other presentations about Dorothy Stratten's life and death and none of them looked at all three men who together created the circumstances surrounding her murder. After listening to your analysis it's obvious that presenting Paul Snyder as the lone bad guy and Bogdanovich and Hefner as successful men whose interest in Dorothy was purely beneficent is not only inadequate but dangerously short-sighted. Thanks, Doc!
I remember when this happened, and I remember the film Star 80 directed by Bob Fosse. Good film with Mariel Hemingway as Stratten and Eric Roberts as Snider. Great performances, Roberts especially. Cliff Robertson was also great as Hugh Hefner. Very believable, not played for comedy.
Beauty is a kind of wealth and a very powerful magic, and it inevitably attracts predators of all kinds.
I still remember seeing "Star 80" in 1983, the excellent and shocking and sad movie starring Mariel Hemingway, who looked very much like Dorothy, and Eric Roberts, who excelled in his role as Paul. It was directed by Bob Fosse, a very fine director. This movie is horrifyingly effective, because you can sense the end almost from the beginning but you cannot look away. Well worth watching.
(In my opinion, Hefner has never been anything other than a pimp, and a cipher as a human being. A rich and famous lowlife. He's Nosferatu in a robe or a smoking jacket, with sleaze oozing out of his pores.)
On a much brighter note, your shirt reminds me that spring is approaching slowly, very slowly.
It makes you look like the first crocus.
Thanks again. 😊
Yes a fine daffodil!
This is an interesting case. I remember watching STAR 80 years ago. Thank you, Dr. Grande!
I had forgotten about Peter marrying Dorothy's sister. Wow. That's messed up.
I remember this case and the movie as well. I really dont know why she married him. He did help her on the way up but a really sleazy guy. Such a beauty and such a tragedy. There was no way he was going to ever let her go.
I remember hearing of Dorothy Stratten's death, it was a very big deal back in the day. You made me see this case in a different context. Thanks!
This story has always been so heartbreaking for me because this beautiful, outgoing, charismatic young woman had to have sex with men in order to have a career. And the men in her life knew this and used her. It's a gross reminder of how women are treated in the entertainment industry.
She choose that . She has choice
She could have had a different career. Then she wouldn't have to have sex w men.
I’m not really convinced she had to. It was just the easiest, fastest way, and women who are eager to take that route rather than work hard or be talented are a contributing factor to why the entertainment industry is the way it is. You can tell by all the trashy untalented women who dominate the industry. Sorry, but this is not men’s fault. We have to exercise good judgment ourselves instead of expecting/demanding men be heroic rescuers who exist to either support us or oppress us. They got enough to keep themselves out of trouble. Women should accept some accountability for their own outcomes in life. They won’t let anyone else have the right to tell take care of them, so they better take care of themselves. It’s a cold unfeeling world.
I’m not really convinced she had to. It was just the easiest, fastest way, and women who are eager to take that route rather than work hard or be talented are a contributing factor to why the entertainment industry is the way it is. You can tell by all the trashy untalented women who dominate the industry. Sorry, but this is not men’s fault. We have to exercise good judgment ourselves instead of expecting/demanding men be heroic rescuers who exist to either support us or oppress us. They got enough to keep themselves out of trouble. Women should accept some accountability for their own outcomes in life. They won’t let anyone else have the right to tell take care of them, so they better take care of themselves. It’s a cold unfeeling world.
Thank you for this educational video. Loved how you brought out the deficiencies of those icky toxic males in Dorothy's life. You validated my beliefs in such an eloquent and educational and intellectual manner. Please continue your valuable work and research. So appreciated.
I'm impressed by your analysis, I think you came very close to the core of these three men.
And of many men who just can't resist their attraction to young and beautiful women regardless of their own age, ending up hurting the lives of the women they profess to love and care about.
I'm in agreement with your take. The irony in Hugh Hefner calling someone else a hustler would be laughable if it wasn't sick.
You should do the next video on harmony montgomery! The lil girl who went missing two years ago and nobody knows where she’s at! Wild case!!
If only Dorothy had a person in her life to be a protector and close friend. She was so very vulnerable, and it is a tragedy that Snider the Pimp ever met with her.
Can you please analyze the personality of Hugh Hefner? The man went as far as appearing in his own reality show with his four favorite girlfriends, all of whom were blonde. They all were vying to be Hef's number one girlfriend.
Interestingly, when one of the girls got married, Hef himself gave his blessing and I believe paid for the wedding and honeymoon.
Ricky Gervais' savage roasting of Hefner at the 2011 Golden Globes is well worth checking out while you're waiting ....
Grande’s shirt is a nice color. My mom’s fave color was yellow. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about that color bc of her, buying her yellow gifts and such over the years when I was a lot younger. Also, his shirt reminds me of sunshine. Another fave youtuber of mine named the yellow nail polish from her new collection Soft Sunshine. I feel the color is a sign of good things to come. Thanks, Grande.
What a sweet comment. Yellow has been my favorite color since we picked in kindergarten. It too reminds me of happiness and sunshine. Now I’m going to think of your comment when seeing yellow and think of new beginnings, fresh starts and things to come just like the sun rising.
You optimists 🤗
I love yellow too.
I used to have a pale yellow pullover sweater that was my favorite 💛.
Connie G 🇺🇸💐
Chilling ending synopsis - brilliant. Thank you for seeing through the incredible sexism and narcissism playing a large part in her whole tragic story.
Thanks, Dr. Grande.
I remember watching the made for TV movie about this case. I believe it was called "Star 80" starring Mariel Hemmingway and Eric Roberts. I just looked it up and it's available to watch on RUclips. Not sure what the cost is, but it was a pretty good movie. Then again, I watched it almost 40 years ago!!!
What a great way of looking at this. Yes, all three "men" were very much alike, just at different success and income levels. Devastating outcome.
I remember hearing about this case. Ashame, as she had just started her life/career. Great video as always :)
The biggest lesson here - the importance of a healthy relationship with a father in a young girl’s life. Dorothy’s dad was absent, and she looked for approval from the wrong types of guys.
Just wondering about the poor girl's parents. Getting involved with a pimp almost 10 years older than her at such a young age sounds like maybe she didn't have much of a home life.
"They All Decided to Stay Home and Not Buy A Movie Ticket"
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This is one of those cases that people can't shake. Thanx again Dr. Grande!
Hello Dr. Grande, this story (to me) sounds like fame, beauty and money have serious consequences at times for those that, like you say always want more. Never enough, sad but true. Again well presented and interesting. Thank you for sharing.
What an incredible analysis, Dr. Grande! Learning about her poor woman's terrible fate was heartbreaking, and I so loved how you held all three of the main men in her life accountable for being very low quality people who didn't really care about her at all. ♡♡
Great analysis. I always thought of Dorothy as being the victim of one slimeball, when she was obviously the victim of three.
I went to school with Dorothy and was at that Dairy Queen on Kingsway many times. Paul is someone I would have never associated with, I don’t know what she was thinking. there was several seedy motels across the street, where he came from. He was a creepy small time loser
always a bad idea to meet with the person you just dumped
Very good. I appreciate the direct comparison of the three men. Spot on. It would be interesting for you to do a video on The Girls Next Door. With Holly, Kendra and Bridget - I think it was. The dynamics of that mess would be interesting. What is going on in the minds of three women living with the man they all "love" and sharing him. Yuck! And... AND he is old enough to be their GRANDFATHER!
Also, can you address the idea that everyone needs to help give "closure" to others. It seems many times when people meet up for closure - people end up dead! I believe we all need to do closure on our own. You slam that door and you don't open it again.
Yes!!
Another you tuber I watch says there is no such thing as closure, just ignore the person and go forward with positive things in your life.
@@bluecollarlit Thank you for that.
And thank you for the original point.
Old enough to be their great grandfather!
@@msreb2700 I know. Gross! Right?!
This is the only presentation of this case I've seen which is respectful and informative without getting into the sensational details of her career or the murder itself. Much appreciated.
She was beautiful. Awesome job Dr.Grande. Almost one million subscribers. Your hard work is paying off. Thank you so much.
This is reminding me of Amie Harwick. I checked and I see that Grande made a video about her. Jealousy and insecurity can be dangerous. I get it. Opt for the simple life. Otherwise, in la, everyone is clamoring desperately for the glamorous life, not in a fun way.
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I love the analysis of these three men. You brought a perspective that no one covering this case has yet. I suppose some of the people producing documentaries might have aligned with the more wealthy men and now I'm curious does wealth create a halo effect like conventional attractiveness. I find it interesting also that while people are seemingly all unique if we can access their personality's minutia, most of the worst behaved people seem to follow a script. It's like being badly behaved and having thought patterns on one hand that make you successful in unhealthy settings also mean is become a replica of some archetype. Being narcissistic especially in treatment of others is the most common thing people can do, after all a lot of it's traits are found clustered here and there amongst those we're told to implicitly venerate and emulate. Yet, doing so undermines the grandiosity or specialness that seem to be a driving force for these people. They impede themselves from "exploiting" their own better qualities in favor of instrumentalizing others.
There was absolutely no reason for Dorothy to meet Snider on that fateful day. There were numerous incidents of controlling, abusive and violent behavior on his part. He was mentally unstable,horribly insecure and everyone knew it and warned her. On top of all this, she was having an affair and living with her director. It’s an astonishing lack of common sense on her part that ultimately cost her life.
Being from a rough background and having gone through a lot and living in la since ‘82, I’ve met a lot of characters like Paul. Hollywood is full of blokes like him, wannabe hopefuls. He didn’t have what was needed to navigate on his desired level, as Grande mentioned.
A cat driving in LA! Woah!
Very sad case. I think if Paul had admitted to go back to BC, they would have been alive today 😟.
Thanks doctor Grande for the great analysis which seems very true about most male dominantly Hollywood in 80’s and 90’s.
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Truly a sad story…recollect the vicious ending for Dorothy Stratten, a young natural beauty (the state of her found body is still haunting). Snider was a low-life, bottom feeder who proved to Bogdanovich and Hefner that he was ultimately in control. It is telling that he shot Stratten in the face. Tragic…she was only twenty years old.
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Hi Mrs. Reluctant! Glad to see you! Agree about the shirt. I had to pause the video and put on sunglasses! He is like a ray of sunshine! 😎😆
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Such a sad story...there's a movie called "Star 80" about her.
Dr G - I just watched "Wild Wild Country" on Netflix...I would LOVE to see your analysis on that series! I recommend to anyone fascinated by cults.
I’m pretty sure he did one not so long ago. Look for Bhagwan Rajneesh:)
@@stevefrench2303 yes! I found it thank you😁
Yes, I recall this story very well. She may have been 1980 playmate of the year, but to me she’ll always be Mrs. Cosmos.
I've wondered about the backstory of her murder. Thank you for your expert analysis of it
I don’t know much about this, I was born in the seventies but what an engaging listen this really was. Great analysis Dr Grande
My favorite shirt! Dr Grande, I actually have the Playboy editions that featured Dorothy. She was the most beautiful and kind girl. Im so sad she's gone.
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@@LDiamondz HI sweetheart! I missed you too! I was in Biloxi visiting my kids and new baby grandson for a week, and then went to the Mexican riviera to visit friends for a week. Im so stoked I got to go, but there's truly no place like home! You KNOW I'm sending hugs your way, my lovely friend!
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@@LDiamondz I wish you could come visit me instead! We would have such a fun time! I live in Vegas about 15 mins from the strip.
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You are such a beautiful person, honey. You always make me feel so welcome and loved!
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I felt sorry for her. She was a pawn.
Always interesting.
Your analysis is spot on.
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Brilliant analysis 👏👏👏
Finally someone who tells is as it is in this case.
This is a fascinating analysis about an old case I thought I knew everything about. Say what you like about Hugh Hefner but he cooperated with Dorothy’s biopic knowing he would not be positively portrayed
And just one more thing -- his first wife, Polly Platt, was pretty, and was his partner in making his early films which established his career and were also the most successful and critically acclaimed.
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This analysis appears to have been influenced by Teresa Carpenter's article about the case, which was published in the Village Voice in late 1980 and helped win Carpenter a Pulitzer Prize. (Star 80 was also drawn in part from Carpenter's article.) It was her contention that the three men in Dorothy's life were variations on a theme and that Paul Snider's great failing was being "small time" compared to Hugh Hefner and Paul Bogdanovich. (Interestingly, for a period in the life of another blonde model-actress, Marilyn Monroe, there were three men all vying for control of Monroe: Arthur Miller, her husband; Lee Strasberg, her acting teacher; and Milton Greene, her business partner.) Dr. Grande's analysis is at its most original when he says that Snider murdered Dorothy to punish his enemies, or however it was phrased exactly. That Snider was probably always capable of such horrific violence is what truly set him apart from Hefner and Bogdanovich, not that he was "small time." A friend of mine knew -- quite well, in fact -- Dorothy, Snider, Bogdanovich, and Hefner; she was herself a Playmate and she speaks very well of Hefner and Dorothy, less well of Bogdanovich, and of course, like nearly everyone, she felt uncomfortable around Snider, not because of his uncouth manner but because she suspected his capacity for violence. She warned Dorothy about him, but obviously and tragically, Dorothy misjudged him. My friend has been interviewed about Dorothy a number of times on television, but every time, she said, her most incisive comments weren't included in the final product; the producers invariably had preconceived ideas and they edited accordingly. My friend has no regrets about being a Playmate, incidentally, and told me that she always felt safe at the Playboy Mansion, where if any man made her or any other woman feel uncomfortable, he was banned.
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It was her mother's responsibility to have an eye on her. PARENTING is a must !!!!!!
Doc. You hit the nail on the head when you said all three men were alike in that they used Dorothy as a means of recognition, arm candy or what have you. She was a commodity to all three of them. The only thing that separated one from the other were the balances in their bank accounts.
Many people are unaware that Paul Snider is on of the original partnership that started the Chippendale male stripper group.
He’s was a terrible person but that is an interesting fact .
Excellent analysis here on Dorothy Stratton and the three major players in her life. I remember this time well! You’re so right they are all the same type of man just different levels, Dorothy made some serious blunders too, she should have not married anyone and NEVER gone to see Paul Snider alone after she started her affair with Peter B. Red flags big time, she didn’t listen to anyone’s advise like her lawyer who told her let the courts handle the divorce. Everyone advised against marrying Paul Snider but she did it anyway.. and it got her murdered shot in the face. She made a lot of mistakes too, she was very young and VERY Very NAIVE but who isn’t at 20yrs old. Now she is in her grave. Love the yellow shirt on you Dr. Grande it’s your color! 😊
Great analysis, I'm especially happy that Dr Grande didn't let Hefner and Peter off the hook! All 3 men were pathetic creeps, even if Paul won the competition by abysmal fashion choices and by committing murder.
"Star 80" was a movie based on Miss Stratten, played by Muriel Hemmingway with Eric Roberts back in the day. RIP.