And that is why alternate stories of spider man and alternate love interest of spiderman from a another dimension will always be more interesting and fun. For alot of reasons.
Kill? That's too easy. They'd slowly ruin their relationship with each other and then have a self insert steal Peter's girl like they did in the ultimate universe. The writer had a crush on Kitty Pride who was Pete's girlfriend so he made them break up and had her get together with his teen self instert
imagine if MJ, Black Cat, OR Gwen Stacy weren't in the MCU Spider-Man college trilogy, but instead CHAT was the main love interest! (please make this happen, Marvel!🙏)
I know its unlikely, but this is a change I wouldn't mind too much. I do love Zendaya and Mj, but Chat would be a good breath of fresh air. Probably not as the main love interest, but she'd be a better choice than Black Cat as a love interest
I feel that if you want to discuss how good a character is in a video, you should focus on the character's qualities rather than comparing them to others. When discussing characters like Gwen, Felicia, and Mary Jane, people can appreciate each character without needing to contrast them against one another. When it comes to Chat, it feels like she lacks individual depth when her appeal is defined by how she differs from other characters. Love interests should be evaluated based on the substance of their interactions and the depth of their connection with the MC, rather than superficial attributes that set them apart from other love interests. I feel like this video presents a flawed way to view love interests since it doesn't really delve into Chat's character.
I appreciate the comment, but the whole reason chat is so interesting in my opinion is because of how poorly love interests have been treated in the comics recently. A lot of issues I had were fixed with fresh ideas in this story. Likewise, if this was the ONLY Spider-Man love interest, I’d probably be campaigning for something a little more risky and interesting.
@@LewisFilmsProductions I understand your perspective, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that these make her "the perfect love interest" or "interesting". (no offense) but as someone who hasn't read these comics, I felt that this video didn't really do a good job exploring Chat as a character and instead seemed to be more of a dig at other love interests. If the main reason Chat is considered interesting is because she's in an alt universe where her and Peter are allowed to stay together, does that mean if other characters were given alt universes where they stay together (like in the Ultimate universe), would the interest for chat just go away? Idk It just seems like there's nothing inherent to Chat's character that makes her interesting.
You'd think that a Disney owned Marvel would LOVE to do something with Chat... I mean, talks to animals who like her in return? That's literally a Disney princess description ! XD
It's crazy how probably no one, not even people who read the comics, know who sophia is. From what you showed us in this video, they look cute together. But i still prefer mj as the perfect girlfriend for peter.
@@TBen616 so you want every single adaptation to have peter end up with mj? you do know that if that were to happen it would get very repetive and boring right?
@@T3aseW1thease I mean ,why wouldn't I? it's like wanting superman to end with lana lang instead of lois lane. Plus, They usually take traits from mj to give to other characters ,like the original ultimate peter and mj relationship to andrews peter and gwen, although I think tasm peter and gwen were rushed and mostly work because of their chemestry , and they made gwen a mix of ultimate mj/616 mj and only the father and science from gwen. The things i wouldn't want to be repetive are the stories . So yeah, id' rather keep the characters faithful and in character, while making the stories fresh(or you know, actually adapting 616 stories since we don't really get that) I know it has nothing to do with this but i like your icon, it's from last ronin ,right? Is it good? I really want to read it but i'm afraid it'l be dissapointing
Lewis… Edit: MJ has way more depth and character development than Chat. Sophia is alright but people only gas her up because her and Peter have a healthy relationship. The problem in 616 was never that Peter and MJ had relationship drama, it’s that after OMD Marvel just put them on loop
@@LewisFilmsProductions Chat isn’t recent either though. Still, she’s gotten a lot of her praise for simply being chill with Peter all the time which is simply not how to judge love interests. Especially when it’s a female, it just comes off as weird when we primarily breakdown a female character by how she plays off a male character
MJ is my favourite love interest but honestly in the MCU for SPIDER-MAN 4 AND 5 they gotta bring black cat in or kitty pride that be interesting. Or maybe try something completely new nico from the runaways.
No offense but I still prefer Peter & Mj ( no not the comics version/especially the recent run). And by that , I mean like the versions from the ultimate con is , insomniac games , even my own fanfiction book series I’m writing.
First of all, stop pitting female characters against each other 2024. Second, IMO its unfair to compare Chat to 616 characters. Chat was only in 8 issues, only in one book, and she was written by one writer. It's intellectually dishonest to use multiple adaptations and multiple writers against MJ, Gwen, etc, when Chat would fall into the same trap if she were written for more than just eight issues. Third, Chat is a high school teenager, so comparing her as a love interest for 616 Peter who is an adult is rather gross IMO. Basically, people like Chat because she 's rarely used, was in a kid's book where the stakes were low and cozy, and hasn't had a chance to be the target of sexist writers like Dan Slott and Zeb Wells, who are the reason why MJ, Felicia, et al have been so poorly mistreated. Blame the writers and editors.
Mary Jane is the goat Marvel is just tripping. Not gonna lie lock Marvel Editorial in Arkham Asylum. Also lock Sweet Bay Inc and Zack Snyder in Arkham Asylum. That place is about to be very crowded.
I like this relationship it works perfectly it's a shame that this story is almost forgetten. But in case one day if marvel wants to revive this story again. They could make an animated serie about this.
the thing about peter's relationships is they're like our relationships we have with other people: they're not perfect, not every one of them works out, etc.
I always loved this continuity. And while I was sad it got axed, I’m kind of happy right now because that means Marvel can’t ruin it for stupid stupid reasons
I read the Marvel Adventures series when I was in middle school and in high school, including the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man comic. I have the two issues of the Marvel Adventures line which are #1 of Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Hulk and #21 of Spider-Man. I liked the relationship between Peter and Sophia Saduval AKA Chat because it makes sense than Peter being with MJ.
why do people say mj is the better love interest? like yeah i would understand if it was pre-one more day but she hasnt been written well for almost 15 years and people seem to forget that mj leaving peter for paul is canon and all the other horrible shit shes done to him is still canon
“All the other horrible shit she's done to him is still canon” and you name these oh-so-horrible things? Pre one more day is still apart of the character so why would you exclude that and only focus on the few bad moments she had in the span of 15 years?
@@T3aseW1thease 1) You didn't answer my question. 2) Those things aren't analogous at all. You understand there's a difference between having an ideology that led to the death of millions and doing something unlikable within a span of 15 years (which you never specified). The difference is that one makes you a bad person, while the other just means you made "mistakes." Honestly, it's just a stupid comparison.
@@T3aseW1theaseif your friend in the span of 15 years did a few obnoxious things that made you mad. Would you say they're overall a bad person comparable to Hitler?
I LOVE Peter and Chat. They are just so damn cute together and even when they have conflicts they work them out just fine. I actually like the idea of Peter dating a girl with super powers is also interesting. While Chat is super underrated and one of favourite love interests for Peter, MJ has a bit more to her character than Chat but that's not Chat's fault I feel if she's bought into adaptations like the games or shows they could make her more interesting. On a side note I like the idea of a mutant and an avenger falling in love (which wouldn't be the first time since Black Panther and Storm were a couple at one point)
Peter should be with Felicia in the Earth-616 universe. Felicia matured during the Nick Spencer run and finally accepted Peter as well as Spider-Man. Zab Wells is a talentless hack and he's ruined Peter Parker/Spider-man during his run. "USM" is a better comic than "ASM", The Spectacular Spider-Men (TSSM)", and Dan Slott's "Superior Spider-Man (SSM)" combined. It's a shame that Spidey fans who like SpiderCat like I do, will never see them together.
Better than 616 Gwen? Maybe. Better than Mary Jane? Keep dreaming. Seriously. I don't get everyone tryi g to gas up Chat when she lacks character depth and personality. Hell, Emma Frost from this universe had far more interesting character interactions with Peter.
I think mj and gwen takes peter to soap opera direction which is good sometimes . But personally I would rather want spiderman to have a super-powered gf like niko , kitty pride , black cat etc. If you are making a grounded spiderman like raimi , then by all means mj and gwen work. But if you are making spiderman stories in a shared marvel universe , then his love interests should be super-powered as well. There's a reason why fans love black cat more than mj in insomniac universe.
Definetly agree with you plus its honestly getting reallly boring that some of the biggest superheroes of all time end up with a non superpowered person like batman, superman, iron man etc. would be very interesting to see peter dating other superpowered heroes like kitty pryde,captain marvel or other heroes in the main continuity
@T3aseW1thease she has tho? Move on from raimi and the new comics. Insomniac mj is great that new comic run is great and even if she's "fallen off" which she hasn't shes still the best for peter. Who do you want instead? Black cat?🤣🤣🤣
Chat would be killed by editorial in a year. Rule one Peter Parker can't be happy in 616 Earth
You’re damn right. Editorial wouldn’t be able to hold back.
And that is why alternate stories of spider man and alternate love interest of spiderman from a another dimension will always be more interesting and fun. For alot of reasons.
@@sandywest4977 fr
Kill? That's too easy.
They'd slowly ruin their relationship with each other and then have a self insert steal Peter's girl like they did in the ultimate universe.
The writer had a crush on Kitty Pride who was Pete's girlfriend so he made them break up and had her get together with his teen self instert
@@dragonblast417 real
My favorite was always Ultimate Kitty and Parker. Cat loves Spider-Man and tolerates Peter where MJ loved Peter and tolerates Spider-Man.
In case anyone is wondering, Chimmaney, made a more indepth review about Chat last year.
Ok
Just saw it, in fact.
imagine if MJ, Black Cat, OR Gwen Stacy weren't in the MCU Spider-Man college trilogy, but instead CHAT was the main love interest! (please make this happen, Marvel!🙏)
Nah
I know its unlikely, but this is a change I wouldn't mind too much. I do love Zendaya and Mj, but Chat would be a good breath of fresh air. Probably not as the main love interest, but she'd be a better choice than Black Cat as a love interest
Definitely would be crazy if they had Peter dating ChatGPT
@@akirakurusu4309 😂
@@thegreatacolyt1277 YEAH
I really like the Marvel Adventure, it’s really good story. And as well the chemistry between both Chat and Emma Frost towards Peter like that
oh no lewis has been chatpilled
Lmaooo
I feel that if you want to discuss how good a character is in a video, you should focus on the character's qualities rather than comparing them to others. When discussing characters like Gwen, Felicia, and Mary Jane, people can appreciate each character without needing to contrast them against one another.
When it comes to Chat, it feels like she lacks individual depth when her appeal is defined by how she differs from other characters. Love interests should be evaluated based on the substance of their interactions and the depth of their connection with the MC, rather than superficial attributes that set them apart from other love interests.
I feel like this video presents a flawed way to view love interests since it doesn't really delve into Chat's character.
I appreciate the comment, but the whole reason chat is so interesting in my opinion is because of how poorly love interests have been treated in the comics recently. A lot of issues I had were fixed with fresh ideas in this story. Likewise, if this was the ONLY Spider-Man love interest, I’d probably be campaigning for something a little more risky and interesting.
@@LewisFilmsProductions I understand your perspective, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that these make her "the perfect love interest" or "interesting". (no offense) but as someone who hasn't read these comics, I felt that this video didn't really do a good job exploring Chat as a character and instead seemed to be more of a dig at other love interests. If the main reason Chat is considered interesting is because she's in an alt universe where her and Peter are allowed to stay together, does that mean if other characters were given alt universes where they stay together (like in the Ultimate universe), would the interest for chat just go away? Idk It just seems like there's nothing inherent to Chat's character that makes her interesting.
I'm so glad people remember she exists.
You'd think that a Disney owned Marvel would LOVE to do something with Chat... I mean, talks to animals who like her in return? That's literally a Disney princess description ! XD
It's crazy how probably no one, not even people who read the comics, know who sophia is. From what you showed us in this video, they look cute together. But i still prefer mj as the perfect girlfriend for peter.
She always has been and will be
@@thegreatacolyt1277and always should be
@@TBen616 absolutely mj best girl
@@TBen616 so you want every single adaptation to have peter end up with mj? you do know that if that were to happen it would get very repetive and boring right?
@@T3aseW1thease I mean ,why wouldn't I? it's like wanting superman to end with lana lang instead of lois lane. Plus, They usually take traits from mj to give to other characters ,like the original ultimate peter and mj relationship to andrews peter and gwen, although I think tasm peter and gwen were rushed and mostly work because of their chemestry , and they made gwen a mix of ultimate mj/616 mj and only the father and science from gwen. The things i wouldn't want to be repetive are the stories . So yeah, id' rather keep the characters faithful and in character, while making the stories fresh(or you know, actually adapting 616 stories since we don't really get that)
I know it has nothing to do with this but i like your icon, it's from last ronin ,right? Is it good? I really want to read it but i'm afraid it'l be dissapointing
I like Marvel Adventures universe and have anyone seen the 2004 Batman series especially with the first Clayface?
Lewis…
Edit: MJ has way more depth and character development than Chat. Sophia is alright but people only gas her up because her and Peter have a healthy relationship. The problem in 616 was never that Peter and MJ had relationship drama, it’s that after OMD Marvel just put them on loop
Don’t get me wrong, MJ overall is by far the better love interest. But when it comes to recent comics, Chat is something fresh. It’s nice.
I mean it isnt really the series fault since it got cancelled
@@LewisFilmsProductionsShe’s not even recent though so that’s not a fair point.
@@LewisFilmsProductions Chat isn’t recent either though. Still, she’s gotten a lot of her praise for simply being chill with Peter all the time which is simply not how to judge love interests. Especially when it’s a female, it just comes off as weird when we primarily breakdown a female character by how she plays off a male character
its still certainly better than what we currently got
Looks like someone watched Chimmaney’s vid on best girl 😂
MJ is my favourite love interest but honestly in the MCU for SPIDER-MAN 4 AND 5 they gotta bring black cat in or kitty pride that be interesting. Or maybe try something completely new nico from the runaways.
I liked reading these stories a few months ago
Chimmaney made a video just like this
I’ve heard people mention Chimmaney a few times, will have to check his video out!
No offense but I still prefer Peter & Mj ( no not the comics version/especially the recent run).
And by that , I mean like the versions from the ultimate con is , insomniac games , even my own fanfiction book series I’m writing.
I always remember her
How about a love interest from an anime/manga?
Who?
TEAM URSULA HERE
Hell no
Who?
Spider-Man fans are bored ☠️☠️
We’re really bored.
First of all, stop pitting female characters against each other 2024. Second, IMO its unfair to compare Chat to 616 characters. Chat was only in 8 issues, only in one book, and she was written by one writer. It's intellectually dishonest to use multiple adaptations and multiple writers against MJ, Gwen, etc, when Chat would fall into the same trap if she were written for more than just eight issues. Third, Chat is a high school teenager, so comparing her as a love interest for 616 Peter who is an adult is rather gross IMO. Basically, people like Chat because she 's rarely used, was in a kid's book where the stakes were low and cozy, and hasn't had a chance to be the target of sexist writers like Dan Slott and Zeb Wells, who are the reason why MJ, Felicia, et al have been so poorly mistreated. Blame the writers and editors.
Mary Jane is the goat Marvel is just tripping. Not gonna lie lock Marvel Editorial in Arkham Asylum. Also lock Sweet Bay Inc and Zack Snyder in Arkham Asylum. That place is about to be very crowded.
What about Kitty Pryde?
Oh, what bullshit.
I like this relationship it works perfectly it's a shame that this story is almost forgetten.
But in case one day if marvel wants to revive this story again. They could make an animated serie about this.
Chat? Really!? Man i read the comics but it ain’t good. It’s just playing way safe.
yeah well there were allot of things that it was building up to untill it got cancelled so its not really the series fault
Spiderman fan when Peter isn't a self hating wreck, not poor, not alone and surrounded by people that love him
😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭
@@aadliafiqbro that comic was for kids,
If you wanna see best love interest it's MJ.
Mj can bring a gun out to shoot the green goblin and. MCU MJ and Peter are actually Happy
mcu mj is pathetic . She aint even mj . She is discount piss poor writing mj
I grew up with both the 1610 Ultimate Spider-Man Comics and the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man
1:07 I wish Peter's would go off when Emma Frost peaked into Peter's mind.
Nah
@@thegreatacolyt1277 Just saying.
@@Stickfigure-ly7gf mj is best
@@thegreatacolyt1277 who ask?
@@NguyenThang-zk6pi you
the thing about peter's relationships is they're like our relationships we have with other people: they're not perfect, not every one of them works out, etc.
why i hunt down emma frost in fortnite at poi's
I always loved this continuity. And while I was sad it got axed, I’m kind of happy right now because that means Marvel can’t ruin it for stupid stupid reasons
I was actually the one that first brought Chat up to Lewis. Least I think so 😆
Mj will always be best girl. no matter what. Gwen being second but no one will ever be better then mj and no one ever has been
Mj is trash and will remain trash . Gwen ftw.
@@ravenouspuncher untrue
@@ravenouspuncher you have clearly only seen the movies if you think this
@@thegreatacolyt1277yeah she was good in the ultimate comics and spectacular
@@jonny.prime.the.collector and everything else except raimi
I read the Marvel Adventures series when I was in middle school and in high school, including the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man comic. I have the two issues of the Marvel Adventures line which are #1 of Spider-Man, Iron Man, and Hulk and #21 of Spider-Man.
I liked the relationship between Peter and Sophia Saduval AKA Chat because it makes sense than Peter being with MJ.
literally everyone talks about this wdym???
Do they?
why do people say mj is the better love interest? like yeah i would understand if it was pre-one more day but she hasnt been written well for almost 15 years and people seem to forget that mj leaving peter for paul is canon and all the other horrible shit shes done to him is still canon
“All the other horrible shit she's done to him is still canon” and you name these oh-so-horrible things? Pre one more day is still apart of the character so why would you exclude that and only focus on the few bad moments she had in the span of 15 years?
@@elgnirP-m5t thats like saying '' why would you only focus on bad things that hitler did and exclude the good things''
@@T3aseW1thease 1) You didn't answer my question.
2) Those things aren't analogous at all. You understand there's a difference between having an ideology that led to the death of millions and doing something unlikable within a span of 15 years (which you never specified). The difference is that one makes you a bad person, while the other just means you made "mistakes." Honestly, it's just a stupid comparison.
@@T3aseW1theaseif your friend in the span of 15 years did a few obnoxious things that made you mad. Would you say they're overall a bad person comparable to Hitler?
@@elgnirP-m5t yeah my bad tbh I don’t know what I was thinking I guess it was in a heat in the moment 😅
I LOVE Peter and Chat. They are just so damn cute together and even when they have conflicts they work them out just fine. I actually like the idea of Peter dating a girl with super powers is also interesting. While Chat is super underrated and one of favourite love interests for Peter, MJ has a bit more to her character than Chat but that's not Chat's fault I feel if she's bought into adaptations like the games or shows they could make her more interesting. On a side note I like the idea of a mutant and an avenger falling in love (which wouldn't be the first time since Black Panther and Storm were a couple at one point)
Peter should be with Felicia in the Earth-616 universe. Felicia matured during the Nick Spencer run and finally accepted Peter as well as Spider-Man. Zab Wells is a talentless hack and he's ruined Peter Parker/Spider-man during his run. "USM" is a better comic than "ASM", The Spectacular Spider-Men (TSSM)", and Dan Slott's "Superior Spider-Man (SSM)" combined. It's a shame that Spidey fans who like SpiderCat like I do, will never see them together.
Better than 616 Gwen? Maybe.
Better than Mary Jane? Keep dreaming.
Seriously. I don't get everyone tryi g to gas up Chat when she lacks character depth and personality. Hell, Emma Frost from this universe had far more interesting character interactions with Peter.
Spider man fans love emotionless generic love interests
bruh 1. stop hating on chat
2. read the comics she does have personality and the only reason the doesnt have much depht is bc the series got cancelled
@@JamesKing-jv2kk Spider-man fans love characters who havent been written well for almost 15 years *cough* mj
@@T3aseW1thease only losers like chat
@@JamesKing-jv2kk only hoes like mj
I would rather see niko and her in freshman year animated series not live action yet.
Ok
What about Gwen or MJ huh?
@@edrianraneses5864 they're hating on mj
@@thegreatacolyt1277 is it due to her being with Paul?
@@edrianraneses5864 Gwen yes 100%. Mj is garbage
I think mj and gwen takes peter to soap opera direction which is good sometimes .
But personally I would rather want spiderman to have a super-powered gf like niko , kitty pride , black cat etc. If you are making a grounded spiderman like raimi , then by all means mj and gwen work.
But if you are making spiderman stories in a shared marvel universe , then his love interests should be super-powered as well. There's a reason why fans love black cat more than mj in insomniac universe.
Mj is best. Black cat is a good character but horrible love intereast
@@thegreatacolyt1277 mj is garbage . Black cat is definitely better than mj
Definetly agree with you plus its honestly getting reallly boring that some of the biggest superheroes of all time end up with a non superpowered person like batman, superman, iron man etc. would be very interesting to see peter dating other superpowered heroes like kitty pryde,captain marvel or other heroes in the main continuity
@@thegreatacolyt1277 mj hasnt been '' The Best'' for almost 15 years 🤡🤡🤡 move on
@T3aseW1thease she has tho? Move on from raimi and the new comics. Insomniac mj is great that new comic run is great and even if she's "fallen off" which she hasn't shes still the best for peter. Who do you want instead? Black cat?🤣🤣🤣