I prefer to see what LPGA do in different situations than the men. They tend to hit the same kind of distance as most amateur men, while PGA guys are playing a game I don't recognize. This is even more obvious if you see tournaments in person.
Agreed there is loads to learn from the top LPGA pros but not sure I agree they hit the ball the same distance as amateur men. Average driving distance for us is about 215-218 yards carry while think the current average on the LPGA tour is close to 260 yards now!
@@GolfingFocus yes, i follow them closely and volunteer at events. They have become way longer than the average man! Top ones will pop it 270 or more. The older women like nayeon choi quit because they can no longer keep up. She was averaging about 250 in recent tournaments which is longer than she ever did BUT...... How many men hit it that far? Not me and i am considered long compared to most. Watch chois fitting on TXG .
I've learned a lot from watching the LPGA because the distances they play are similar to what I do. Danielle Kang plays Titleist 716CB irons. One change that I made was to use a hybrid and to have a 4 iron with a graphite shaft. It's made a big difference on Par 5's.
Thanks for sharing. Absolutely on board with playing more hybrids but hadn’t thought of trying graphite shafts in the longest irons only. Great thought and may give this a try!
Really appreciate all the leg work to put this together - probably what we would have expected but nice to see the data. The summary: PW-5 iron for 2/3rds the LPGA players with 95-105 gram shafts. Adding 3 wedges, Putter & Driver - leaves 3 clubs - and these 3 are likely where the other big difference lies - here you probably see a lot of 5&4 hybrids. Getting this data, if it's available, would make a great Part 2.
Graphite iron shafts are definitely the future of golf because of efficiency and vibration and harshness control. But I switched back to steel shafted wedges for tempo and accuracy. I would say the key is to take the time and don't be afraid to test everything about your current game. I did over the last 14 months and shot my best round ever.
It does seem surprising more regular players are not at using graphite iron or at least trying them as you say. Maybe it will change in the future but the iron shaft world seems to be a stubborn one at the moment.
....agree 100% , everyone needs to find what works for them . I changed to graphite A flex in my wedges (my short game has never been better) 6i to 9i I still use 110g TT , 5i 300S and 4i 100x.
@@touristguy87 LA Golf recently were able to break into the highest swing speed iron shaft category. Did you know this? This was always the unreached category in golf. It's done. Now it will only grow as long as PXG doesn't implode.
@@touristguy87 You don't seem to get it. LA Golf graphite iron shafts are the first elite male golfer premium option. The first. That wall is shattered.
@@touristguy87 I don't think you have the IQ to grasp my point. That or you don't have the courage or character. Either way, I'm muting you. Take care, man.
Nice summary, and I think about what most of us would have expected. One thing that came as a bit of a surprise though was how popular the PING i210 iron model was with women professionals, especially when considering how many iron models are available.
Have been surprised how big PING irons have been on both the women's and men's sides. Probably shouldn't have been though given their track record in cavity backs!
An excellent video! Some 15 years ago a friend of mine told me to look at what the LPGA Tour players are using. Because that is closest to what the average male golfer should be using.
Great video! I’ve been saying this for years and a big reason why I enjoy following the LPGA since my distance is more akin to theirs (although not my accuracy!). I use T100s irons with 120g shafts (Project X LZ 6.0). They give me the best consistency, though I lose a tad of distance (driver swing speed is 95). Currently trying the Project X LZ 5.5 which are 115g….
Adore this channel-so much fact,so much knowledge and wonderfully presented with great voice over. Would like to see just as suggestions short player histories,golf make histories plus equipment analysis etc.
Many thanks for the feedback Oliver. Hugely appreciated and delighted you are finding the videos useful! Thanks also for the suggestions and will definitely take them on board 👍
Thank you for this information and the work you did to make this video. I have always enjoyed what the women use, since i have the same swing speed and i have played Pings for years and basicly the same shafts they play.
Yes!!Bags should be built according to your speed,not what your favorite PGA player uses.Weekend players using blades and tour x stiff shafts are a bad idea.The world of high lofted fairway woods and hybrids is a beautiful thing.. From a gear junkie,great video!
100% agreed and especially on the hybrids. The vast majority of amateurs should have at least 2-3 in their bag and some even more. Thanks also for the feedback. Is much appreciated!
I put graphite shafts in my wedges last year then put a lightweight steel shaft in my sw this Spring. It didn't take long for me to go back to the graphite. I thought the steel shaft would tighten my dispersion pattern but it diidn't. And I got better feel with the graphite. Try it and see what works for you. My graphite is UST Mamiya 660 senior flex.
outstanding vid! I only wish the term ballstriking could be reserve for only a handful of elites, but the best compression and distance control is on the LPGA. I'm saying that having played off of a 2 for a number of years.
Great video - thanks! I would love to know more about LPGA driver and iron shaft length. I read that PGA Pros sometimes use shorter driver shafts - I guess their length gives them that luxury ;) Adding info on LPGA club lengths would be a good addition next time. Thx!
Many thanks Bernard and delighted you enjoyed the video. Will see what I can find on the driver shaft lengths though think it may be tough. Definitely much much less data readily available on the women’s game compared to the men.
Don't let that discourage you from playing blades. Blades just feel great when you hit it, which is great for training. The pros want to get the lowest score no matter what it takes, even if it means playing cavity backs. I would recommend even just bladed wedges to get a feel of a clean hit.
Blades do indeed feel great and the feeling of a pure strike from a bladed iron I agree is tough to beat. Only trouble is unless you are playing a lot of golf its very very hard to do consistently.
Many thanks Mike and delighted you enjoyed the video. You’re absolutely right about being fitting. It’s a definite plus if you can do it in my view but also critical you go a good one to make sure you get good advice!
@@GolfingFocusreason I said to be careful where you go at a golf lesson. The "golf pro" had me hit with my 7 iron and after about 10 swings I turned to ask how I was doing - I was talking to his back! He was not even watching he was leaning on his club looking at his watch? And the box stores that had me hit only the 6 iron and recommend a full set based on that one club and not even try different shafts.
I was playing a round with a guy in his late 70's he was having trouble blocking the shot short and to the right. (Driver). I asked him could I look at his driver. I was shocked how stiff the driver was.
Thanks for sharing 👍 For the slower swingspeeds definitely worth making sure you're not playing too far up the shaft stiffness scale. Hopefully the guy you were playing with follows your advice and tries out something less stiff from now!
@@BruceBusby Sorry, think she is around 108-109mph on average so not surprising she's in the top couple of long hitters on the LPGA Tour. She's close to the PGA Tour average at 114mph.
Not necessarily, most club manufacturers offer the same shafts as others, the heads are pretty much the same, I've tested 12 different brands with the same shafts
Think also there are less sponsorship deals available to women pros than on the mens said. Followed a Twitter exchange earlier this year between a European Women tour pro and Mizuno where she said Mizuno made her pay for her set of new clubs which Mizuno was denying they did!
@@mikejones-go8vz I'm not a member anymore too busy working just play socially, anywhere from the Waikato to Northland, there are differences between the different clubs not much I found. I went with the G425's after having Titleist AP1's for 12 years
All the club manufacturers sell RACK GOLF CLUBS. None of them are very proficient in building matched sets of clubs. Meaning they can't build you a set of clubs so every club in your bag loads and unloads at the same place. They can't do it for they simply do not have enough options in their fitting systems to do so. See the idea is to swing to balance and I'll put a combinations together so when you swing to the top the shaft will load right where you want it to. Coming down the shaft will unload right where your bodies movement wants it to and you can't stop it. Just make the same move over and over. Rack Clubs you swing to how the shaft feels to you. I'd bet cash money there are few players on the LPGA Tour that have precision matched golf clubs. The one thing you didn't say is the Women on Tour are being paid to play clubs. That is the common denominator among them. They hit a lot of ball to get use to the feel of the club. Rather than swing and have the club fit to react to your movement. Rack Manufacturers just simply do not have the options to fit you with precision. Example: Taylor Made has the most options of any rack club manufacturer. Their fitting cart has 1750 options to fit you. My Henry/Griffitts fitting cart has 5500 options. All that means is if I fit you with H/G's system and I gave you the fitting sheet and you took it to Ping they could not fit you to those specifications.... They do not have the options to do so. Therefore Ping can only fit you to the best they can with the options they have but precision fit you so every club loads and unloads at the same place..... NOPE they can't do that.
Great point. Think there are far less deals on the LPGA side though than in the men's game. Remember a Twitter spat between one of the LPGA players last year and Mizuno with the pro saying Mizuno made her pay for her clubs and then them denying it!
I don't think that the brand of clubs played on the LPGA is a good measure. With the huge difference in purses, LPGA players are much more likely to accept a "full bag" club contract to supplement their income. This eliminates choosing a driver, rather they get fit to their manufacturer's equipment. A great example of this is Lydia Ko. She signed a multi-year deal with PXG and her driving stats declined. Once that contract expired and she was free to choose a driver, her stats have rebounded. Not that PXG doesn't have great equipment, but not every manufacturer has the correct clubs for every player.
It’s a great point Jim and the LPGA pros definitely don’t have as much support from an equipment perspective as the men so as you say they’re probably forced to make some compromises they may not choose to in an ideal world.
Driving distance on the LPGA isn’t such a big factor as the PGA. The ladies statistically are more accurate with their irons than the men. Unfortunately, the lower ranked ladies probably don’t get the same support from club manufacturers that the men do.
Agree that the ladies probably don't get same support as the men or at least outside the top 50 or so. Not sure I agree though on the distance point however. The ladies pro are getting longer also consistently and chasing distance as much as the men as far as I can tell given how clear the stats are on the advantages of hitting it long.
Informative video cheers. I don’t know why there is a stigma around graphite iron shafts when every pro that hits a 2 or 3 iron uses one. Why wouldn’t that work just as well with your 6? Also you aren’t a pro
100% agree Stevie. Think a lot of us should be at least trying graphite iron shafts to see whether they would help and I suspect they would for a lot of people.
I have been trying to tell people who watch these so called pga teaching pros who test clubs, to ignore them and the men and go watch h the women as they swing closer to what the average golfer does. I do not follow plans much these days but love watching the women, who most do not drive anywhere near as far, but are more accurate with driver as an average. We all need to slow down and stop trying to copy the male lbs pros. I am 61 and my driver swing speed is still 94 mph. I do use stiff flex just for accuracy. I would rather be in the fairway than 30 yards farther, but lost in the woods.
Thanks for the comment Steve and agree of course there is loads to be learned from the LPGA players which alot of us miss by focusing too much on the men's game. Saying that not sure I would agree with the slow down comment entirely. If you're looking to make significant inroads into your handicap hitting it alot longer than you do at the moment is going to be key. You're absolutely right 30 yards extra but lost in the woods is not good but if you can add 30 yards and be in rough versus the fairway your scores will be better according to the stats. Appreciate also though it all depends on what you're aiming to get out the game of course and how much improvement vs enjoyment is your main aim.
Why do people always assume average golfers have low swing speeds? The only slow swings I've played with in recent years are older guys and my mom lol most dudes in the Midwest at least could crush a drive.. just in the wrong direction 😂
What would term as a slow swingspeed. The averages seem pretty consistent placing the average male amateur to around the same as a LPGA pro at 93-94mph but would you consider that slow?
@@BParker55 thats the thing about averages they dont account for age groups say if 20+ to 45 can hit above 110 but 45+ to 80 are well below 100 whats that do to the average
Most golfers men or women have no idea what their swing speeds are and never get fit for anything. When they dont even manage the basic the men arnt going to be comparing them selves to the LPGA players. Many men will continue to play shaft that are too stiff and blade with no forgiveness as their egos wont get out of the way of them shooting lower scores.
I use extra stiff in driver as its the one that keeps my ball in the fairway, it just feels the most stable, plus it's only 44 inch top to bottom. I only hit about 95 mph on course with driver. I don't care if I lose a bit of distance.
Only Brooke Henderson in the top 50 that we analysed plays extra stiff but the most common among the rest we found was stiff. 4 players including Inbee Park though chose a regular driver shaft flex. Do you have data for the rest of the LPGA? Would be great if you can share it if you do.
Fair point, but, seriously... everyone on the LPGA is better than you. Every single woman. It's not right to compare yourself to that. Just find what works for you. I shelved my Apex irons for a set of super game improvement irons with lightweight senior shafts. They don't look cool but they drop my golf ball on the greens like darts.
Not sure if I follow to be honest. The video is far far from trying to strike a skill comparison between average amateur men and the top LPGA pros. I’ve been lucky enough to caddie for a Ladies European Tour player in the past and have seen at first hand how good these players are. Main point is really just if you’re trying to learn something from the best players on the planet there’s potentially more to learn from the LPGA than the PGA.
I spent a lot of money this year doing extensive testing this year trying out balls, cheap driver heads, 3 sets of cheap iron heads and shafts of different flexes. I have a 94 mph swing speed with my driver and can only hit it 240 to 250. I no longer care about distance but only accuracy. I've shaved 6 strokes off my handicap this year playing senior or ladies shafts modifying the tips on the lady shafts. Your swing is the only thing that matters in reality.
@@GolfingFocus By the way, your channel is awesome. Really like the way you break things down and draw in intelligent comments from you viewers. Great job!
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I prefer to see what LPGA do in different situations than the men. They tend to hit the same kind of distance as most amateur men, while PGA guys are playing a game I don't recognize. This is even more obvious if you see tournaments in person.
Agreed there is loads to learn from the top LPGA pros but not sure I agree they hit the ball the same distance as amateur men. Average driving distance for us is about 215-218 yards carry while think the current average on the LPGA tour is close to 260 yards now!
@@GolfingFocus yes, i follow them closely and volunteer at events. They have become way longer than the average man! Top ones will pop it 270 or more. The older women like nayeon choi quit because they can no longer keep up. She was averaging about 250 in recent tournaments which is longer than she ever did BUT......
How many men hit it that far? Not me and i am considered long compared to most. Watch chois fitting on TXG .
I've learned a lot from watching the LPGA because the distances they play are similar to what I do. Danielle Kang plays Titleist 716CB irons. One change that I made was to use a hybrid and to have a 4 iron with a graphite shaft. It's made a big difference on Par 5's.
Thanks for sharing. Absolutely on board with playing more hybrids but hadn’t thought of trying graphite shafts in the longest irons only. Great thought and may give this a try!
i for 1 truly appreciate this particular vid.
Many thanks for the feedback. Delighted you found it useful.
Really appreciate all the leg work to put this together - probably what we would have expected but nice to see the data. The summary: PW-5 iron for 2/3rds the LPGA players with 95-105 gram shafts. Adding 3 wedges, Putter & Driver - leaves 3 clubs - and these 3 are likely where the other big difference lies - here you probably see a lot of 5&4 hybrids. Getting this data, if it's available, would make a great Part 2.
Many thanks Paul. Very much appreciate the feedback and will definitely be looking to do more on the LPGA bags going forward. 👍
Graphite iron shafts are definitely the future of golf because of efficiency and vibration and harshness control. But I switched back to steel shafted wedges for tempo and accuracy. I would say the key is to take the time and don't be afraid to test everything about your current game. I did over the last 14 months and shot my best round ever.
It does seem surprising more regular players are not at using graphite iron or at least trying them as you say. Maybe it will change in the future but the iron shaft world seems to be a stubborn one at the moment.
....agree 100% , everyone needs to find what works for them . I changed to graphite A flex in my wedges (my short game has never been better) 6i to 9i I still use 110g TT , 5i 300S and 4i 100x.
@@touristguy87 LA Golf recently were able to break into the highest swing speed iron shaft category. Did you know this? This was always the unreached category in golf. It's done. Now it will only grow as long as PXG doesn't implode.
@@touristguy87 You don't seem to get it. LA Golf graphite iron shafts are the first elite male golfer premium option. The first. That wall is shattered.
@@touristguy87 I don't think you have the IQ to grasp my point. That or you don't have the courage or character. Either way, I'm muting you. Take care, man.
Great insight and information. I imagine the LPGA players are fitted for their tools rather than choosing the equipment by themselves.
Am sure they do although I'm not convinced as many of the field get as much support with their clubs as on the men's side.
Nice summary, and I think about what most of us would have expected. One thing that came as a bit of a surprise though was how popular the PING i210 iron model was with women professionals, especially when considering how many iron models are available.
Have been surprised how big PING irons have been on both the women's and men's sides. Probably shouldn't have been though given their track record in cavity backs!
An excellent video! Some 15 years ago a friend of mine told me to look at what the LPGA Tour players are using. Because that is closest to what the average male golfer should be using.
Many thanks Alex. Delighted you enjoyed the video 👍
Great video! I’ve been saying this for years and a big reason why I enjoy following the LPGA since my distance is more akin to theirs (although not my accuracy!). I use T100s irons with 120g shafts (Project X LZ 6.0). They give me the best consistency, though I lose a tad of distance (driver swing speed is 95). Currently trying the Project X LZ 5.5 which are 115g….
Thanks for sharing Pete and delighted you enjoyed the video!
Adore this channel-so much fact,so much knowledge and wonderfully presented with great voice over. Would like to see just as suggestions short player histories,golf make histories plus equipment analysis etc.
Many thanks for the feedback Oliver. Hugely appreciated and delighted you are finding the videos useful! Thanks also for the suggestions and will definitely take them on board 👍
@@GolfingFocus thank you and well done on the videos. Great channel
Great review! Been playing i210's for years and won't be changing any time soon. 4H, 5-P with Nippon 105 S.. 50-54-58 glide 3.0
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Brilliant content, fascinating. Thank you.
Much appreciated!
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing!
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Thanks, us mere mortals play closer to LPGA players than PGA. Better to look at what they are using vs. the PGA.
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LPGA is the greatest golf on earth. PGA is simply from another planet.
I found this fascinating data. Thank you you so much for such a very interesting video.
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Thank you for this information and the work you did to make this video. I have always enjoyed what the women use, since i have the same swing speed and i have played Pings for years and basicly the same shafts they play.
Many thanks and delighted you enjoyed the video.
Good analysis. well done.
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Absolutely brilliant video 👍👍👍👍
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Brilliant work! I appreciate it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great info, thanks for putting this together 👍🏽
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Yes!!Bags should be built according to your speed,not what your favorite PGA player uses.Weekend players using blades and tour x stiff shafts are a bad idea.The world of high lofted fairway woods and hybrids is a beautiful thing..
From a gear junkie,great video!
100% agreed and especially on the hybrids. The vast majority of amateurs should have at least 2-3 in their bag and some even more. Thanks also for the feedback. Is much appreciated!
Great work as always keep it up! Thank you!
Many thanks Stacen. Much appreciated!
I put graphite shafts in my wedges last year then put a lightweight steel shaft in my sw this Spring. It didn't take long for me to go back to the graphite. I thought the steel shaft would tighten my dispersion pattern but it diidn't. And I got better feel with the graphite. Try it and see what works for you. My graphite is UST Mamiya 660 senior flex.
Thanks for sharing and great to hear your testing of different shafts. Think we could all probably be doing with following your example!
Very interesting video thank you.
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outstanding vid! I only wish the term ballstriking could be reserve for only a handful of elites, but the best compression and distance control is on the LPGA. I'm saying that having played off of a 2 for a number of years.
Many thanks Lee and delighted you enjoyed the video.
Great video - thanks! I would love to know more about LPGA driver and iron shaft length. I read that PGA Pros sometimes use shorter driver shafts - I guess their length gives them that luxury ;) Adding info on LPGA club lengths would be a good addition next time. Thx!
Many thanks Bernard and delighted you enjoyed the video. Will see what I can find on the driver shaft lengths though think it may be tough. Definitely much much less data readily available on the women’s game compared to the men.
very very helpful information, thanks.
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Don't let that discourage you from playing blades. Blades just feel great when you hit it, which is great for training. The pros want to get the lowest score no matter what it takes, even if it means playing cavity backs. I would recommend even just bladed wedges to get a feel of a clean hit.
Blades do indeed feel great and the feeling of a pure strike from a bladed iron I agree is tough to beat. Only trouble is unless you are playing a lot of golf its very very hard to do consistently.
great video very interesting!
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I like these types of videos
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Enjoyed this video and it only tells you that getting fit for clubs is the way to go JMO. However be careful where you go for fitting.
Many thanks Mike and delighted you enjoyed the video. You’re absolutely right about being fitting. It’s a definite plus if you can do it in my view but also critical you go a good one to make sure you get good advice!
@@GolfingFocusreason I said to be careful where you go at a golf lesson. The "golf pro" had me hit with my 7 iron and after about 10 swings I turned to ask how I was doing - I was talking to his back! He was not even watching he was leaning on his club looking at his watch? And the box stores that had me hit only the 6 iron and recommend a full set based on that one club and not even try different shafts.
Interesting info.
Thanks for the feedback. Is much appreciated!
What swing weights do they like typically? For Iron shafts I like about D0.5-D1
Great video
Many thanks Chris!
I was playing a round with a guy in his late 70's he was having trouble blocking the shot short and to the right. (Driver). I asked him could I look at his driver. I was shocked how stiff the driver was.
Thanks for sharing 👍 For the slower swingspeeds definitely worth making sure you're not playing too far up the shaft stiffness scale. Hopefully the guy you were playing with follows your advice and tries out something less stiff from now!
interesting as always
Many thanks for the feedback. It is very much appreciated!
I wonder if Maria Fassi is near the top of the LPGA list
Not in top 50 yet unfortunately so we missed her from this analysis this time. Was 81st on money list in 2021 and 76th in 2022.
@@GolfingFocus sorry, I meant near the top of the swing speed list
@@BruceBusby Sorry, think she is around 108-109mph on average so not surprising she's in the top couple of long hitters on the LPGA Tour. She's close to the PGA Tour average at 114mph.
what hapened to your Miura irons?
Wouldn’t choice of clubs also be what sponsorship deal could be had?
Not necessarily, most club manufacturers offer the same shafts as others, the heads are pretty much the same, I've tested 12 different brands with the same shafts
Think also there are less sponsorship deals available to women pros than on the mens said. Followed a Twitter exchange earlier this year between a European Women tour pro and Mizuno where she said Mizuno made her pay for her set of new clubs which Mizuno was denying they did!
@@NZFarmboy80 so if the clubs are similar then it is the deal they can get, rather than brand preference? Omanu, BOP member , what’s your club?
@@mikejones-go8vz I'm not a member anymore too busy working just play socially, anywhere from the Waikato to Northland, there are differences between the different clubs not much I found. I went with the G425's after having Titleist AP1's for 12 years
My takeaways; use cavity backs, everything else is whatever you want?
Agreed. The case for regular golfers using blades is pretty thin to say the least!
depends on who the player is sponsered by
All the club manufacturers sell RACK GOLF CLUBS. None of them are very proficient in building matched sets of clubs. Meaning they can't build you a set of clubs so every club in your bag loads and unloads at the same place. They can't do it for they simply do not have enough options in their fitting systems to do so.
See the idea is to swing to balance and I'll put a combinations together so when you swing to the top the shaft will load right where you want it to. Coming down the shaft will unload right where your bodies movement wants it to and you can't stop it. Just make the same move over and over. Rack Clubs you swing to how the shaft feels to you.
I'd bet cash money there are few players on the LPGA Tour that have precision matched golf clubs. The one thing you didn't say is the Women on Tour are being paid to play clubs. That is the common denominator among them. They hit a lot of ball to get use to the feel of the club. Rather than swing and have the club fit to react to your movement.
Rack Manufacturers just simply do not have the options to fit you with precision.
Example: Taylor Made has the most options of any rack club manufacturer. Their fitting cart has 1750 options to fit you. My Henry/Griffitts fitting cart has 5500 options.
All that means is if I fit you with H/G's system and I gave you the fitting sheet and you took it to Ping they could not fit you to those specifications.... They do not have the options to do so. Therefore Ping can only fit you to the best they can with the options they have but precision fit you so every club loads and unloads at the same place..... NOPE they can't do that.
shaft fitting doesnt only rely on swing speed
*Most popular, or most contracted* 😉
I was at the Korn Ferry finals this year, watched a couple of pros take PXG headcovers of of Ping drivers
Great point. Think there are far less deals on the LPGA side though than in the men's game. Remember a Twitter spat between one of the LPGA players last year and Mizuno with the pro saying Mizuno made her pay for her clubs and then them denying it!
I don't think that the brand of clubs played on the LPGA is a good measure. With the huge difference in purses, LPGA players are much more likely to accept a "full bag" club contract to supplement their income. This eliminates choosing a driver, rather they get fit to their manufacturer's equipment. A great example of this is Lydia Ko. She signed a multi-year deal with PXG and her driving stats declined. Once that contract expired and she was free to choose a driver, her stats have rebounded. Not that PXG doesn't have great equipment, but not every manufacturer has the correct clubs for every player.
It’s a great point Jim and the LPGA pros definitely don’t have as much support from an equipment perspective as the men so as you say they’re probably forced to make some compromises they may not choose to in an ideal world.
Driving distance on the LPGA isn’t such a big factor as the PGA. The ladies statistically are more accurate with their irons than the men. Unfortunately, the lower ranked ladies probably don’t get the same support from club manufacturers that the men do.
Agree that the ladies probably don't get same support as the men or at least outside the top 50 or so. Not sure I agree though on the distance point however. The ladies pro are getting longer also consistently and chasing distance as much as the men as far as I can tell given how clear the stats are on the advantages of hitting it long.
Informative video cheers. I don’t know why there is a stigma around graphite iron shafts when every pro that hits a 2 or 3 iron uses one. Why wouldn’t that work just as well with your 6? Also you aren’t a pro
100% agree Stevie. Think a lot of us should be at least trying graphite iron shafts to see whether they would help and I suspect they would for a lot of people.
I have been trying to tell people who watch these so called pga teaching pros who test clubs, to ignore them and the men and go watch h the women as they swing closer to what the average golfer does. I do not follow plans much these days but love watching the women, who most do not drive anywhere near as far, but are more accurate with driver as an average. We all need to slow down and stop trying to copy the male lbs pros. I am 61 and my driver swing speed is still 94 mph. I do use stiff flex just for accuracy. I would rather be in the fairway than 30 yards farther, but lost in the woods.
Thanks for the comment Steve and agree of course there is loads to be learned from the LPGA players which alot of us miss by focusing too much on the men's game. Saying that not sure I would agree with the slow down comment entirely. If you're looking to make significant inroads into your handicap hitting it alot longer than you do at the moment is going to be key. You're absolutely right 30 yards extra but lost in the woods is not good but if you can add 30 yards and be in rough versus the fairway your scores will be better according to the stats. Appreciate also though it all depends on what you're aiming to get out the game of course and how much improvement vs enjoyment is your main aim.
Why do people always assume average golfers have low swing speeds? The only slow swings I've played with in recent years are older guys and my mom lol most dudes in the Midwest at least could crush a drive.. just in the wrong direction 😂
What would term as a slow swingspeed. The averages seem pretty consistent placing the average male amateur to around the same as a LPGA pro at 93-94mph but would you consider that slow?
Exactly
@@GolfingFocus yes for sure. I'm a bit faster than most but honestly not by much. I'm 118
@@BParker55 thats the thing about averages they dont account for age groups say if 20+ to 45 can hit above 110 but 45+ to 80 are well below 100 whats that do to the average
@@jimecherry yep and it results in crappy assumptions. 🤷♂️
Most golfers men or women have no idea what their swing speeds are and never get fit for anything. When they dont even manage the basic the men arnt going to be comparing them selves to the LPGA players. Many men will continue to play shaft that are too stiff and blade with no forgiveness as their egos wont get out of the way of them shooting lower scores.
And don't forget playing off tees which makes the course far too long for them!
I use extra stiff in driver as its the one that keeps my ball in the fairway, it just feels the most stable, plus it's only 44 inch top to bottom. I only hit about 95 mph on course with driver. I don't care if I lose a bit of distance.
I will be 66 and can’t hit an Regular Shaft ,Baloons on. Me old Ballplayer played till was 44,!
The vast majority of LPGA players do not prefer stiff or extra stiff shafts.
Only Brooke Henderson in the top 50 that we analysed plays extra stiff but the most common among the rest we found was stiff. 4 players including Inbee Park though chose a regular driver shaft flex. Do you have data for the rest of the LPGA? Would be great if you can share it if you do.
@@GolfingFocus nope, but I can make jokes that sail overhead!
@@LeprechaunGinger A lot depends on the position, and preferred flight, a high, or more penetrating type.
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Fair point, but, seriously... everyone on the LPGA is better than you. Every single woman. It's not right to compare yourself to that. Just find what works for you. I shelved my Apex irons for a set of super game improvement irons with lightweight senior shafts. They don't look cool but they drop my golf ball on the greens like darts.
Not sure if I follow to be honest. The video is far far from trying to strike a skill comparison between average amateur men and the top LPGA pros. I’ve been lucky enough to caddie for a Ladies European Tour player in the past and have seen at first hand how good these players are. Main point is really just if you’re trying to learn something from the best players on the planet there’s potentially more to learn from the LPGA than the PGA.
Yep.
THE WAY THEY WHINGE ABOUT THE LIV TOUR I THINK THEY USE LADIES CLUBS
Women players are stronger and fitter then in the past.
No doubt at all Kevin! All the top pros on all the Tours are getting fitter, stronger and better and keep on doing so.
I spent a lot of money this year doing extensive testing this year trying out balls, cheap driver heads, 3 sets of cheap iron heads and shafts of different flexes. I have a 94 mph swing speed with my driver and can only hit it 240 to 250. I no longer care about distance but only accuracy. I've shaved 6 strokes off my handicap this year playing senior or ladies shafts modifying the tips on the lady shafts. Your swing is the only thing that matters in reality.
Thanks for sharing and especially about your use of shafts. Think lots of people would benefit from looking seriously at these!
@@GolfingFocus By the way, your channel is awesome. Really like the way you break things down and draw in intelligent comments from you viewers. Great job!
@@aliensarereal7832 Many thanks. Much appreciate the feedback and delighted you find the videos useful.
Excellent video that every average male hacker should watch.
Many thanks. Delighted you found the video helpful 👍