When The FIA RUINED Qualifying
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- 2016 was a weird year for Formula One. A lot happened, and a lot has thus been forgotten about. Elimination qualifying is one of those things, except F1 hopes you forget it happened to begin with...
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So this plan worked for like 18 whole minutes? That's not bad by FIA standards 😂
Pretty much yes… 18 minutes followed by… well… nothing
Worked twice as long as the Las Vegas GP.
Never has "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" rung so true. 🙂😂🤣
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I'm glad Will is still uploading, I can see why they attempted this format as in theory it would provide more excitement but it just didn't work out the way they wanted it.
I quite liked this format, it showed the abilities of the teams to adapt to an unknown situation, not well that was.
I hated it. It was just drivers being eliminated whilst in the pits without being able to do anything about it
@@nathanb286 yeah the primary issue was drivers being eliminated every minute so there was not enough time to put a lap in. might as well just call it a day. it sounds exciting on paper, but really it's just what we have now with extra steps and less motivation. at least now, whoever's in the bottom five keeps fighting till the last minute.
@@nathanb286Sprint Shootout for me is Elimination Qualifying 2.0.
The only thing I really remember from the first race of 2016 was Alonso's crash and the fact that the TV guys didn't notice Alonso until one of the replays.
The only thing that I remember from the 2016 Australian GP was that Gene Haas actually attended the race
In fairness the car was really smashed up so it was impossible to tell who it was until he climbed out of the car
Hell of a shunt Alonso made that Aussie GP, one of the most dazzling of the modern era, it must be said.
What's not actually known is this idea kind of already happened . In the early rounds of 2006 when the 3 part qualifying start . However in Q1 and. Q2 drivers had to complete their lap before the timer hit zero ( if they didn't they lap would be disallowed). even if drivers had started their lap before the clock hit zero seconds. However drivers and team compalined so from the 2006 French Grand Prix all timed laps in all qualifying segments started before the chequered flag would be valid . Also another bad qualifying format was the the two single lap aggregate time qualifying sessions run in early 2005.
On the two-lap qualifying, it's more in reaction to the first qualifying lap being essentially Qualifying Practice. Which was a waste of time. So at least it actually came from somewhere with some reasonable sense. As opposed to this.
@@RacingAtHome Tbf until last year's rulebook, F1's rulebook said that Qualifying was Qualifying Practice session. Only last year did they remove the practice word from it. However Qualifying is still counted as one of the practice sessions as is Knockout qualifying. Simply for the rule that a driver needs to do one practice session before they can participate in the race
Personally I prefer IndyCar's road and street qualifying format of splitting the pack in two for two 10 minute Q1 sessions, the top 6 of each being sent to a single Q2 session, and the top 6 being sent to Q3. Gives 40 minutes of on track action with more drivers going all out due to there being fewer moving chicanes in their way and makes it easier to focus on specific drivers sending it.
The Indy system works because the cars don't make as much downforce. If they did, Scott Dixon would be complaining even more than he did this year.
@@michaelgideon8944 that makes absolutely no sense in any context
@@ZontarDow F1 has knock out qualifying because of aero issues following cars That isn't as much of an issue with Indy with the spec chassis. I do like Indy qually too, but the top drivers would complain about traffic much more if the aero was different.
Indycar needs the split because they have a car count in the high 20's on 2 mile tracks, qualy would be a mess without it.
Ha, some lower national series.
The FIA should adopt the V8 supercar qualifying and let the chaos ensue
12 laps in 1 hour was the best format. Even 2003-2005 was good, with only 1 lap to do.
On the bright side, Sting Ray Robb is back on the Indy grid.
(Insert image of George Bush’s reaction to 9/11)
Oddly enough, this brings me back to how much I enjoy how different Formula E's Duels format is.
I was at the Australian Grand Prix in 2016 and started making my way to the exit after Q2 whilst booing. It was an absolute farce.
I had so much fun seeing all the teams and drivers struggle to wrap their heads around this format.
To avoid the traffic issues they could let some auto qualify on certain conditions or do some sort of bop (yeh I know) but the biggest issue I believe is still that one good result can make one driver far higher in the standings than they should be and points should be better distributed, or as this will upset those who only want top 6 to get points, they could do negative points below 10th 🤣
Everyone thought the world would end in 2016 and it turns out the apocalypse was closer in 2020...👀
Aggregate qualifying in 2005ish has to be close 2nd. It was confusing seeing time already on the clock when a driver started their lap.
Merry Christmas Will, I’m down for the sprin🤯t qualifying, I actually really like it. F1 should be praised for trying to make changes. I know 2012 was a stand alone season, but as fans, that is the sort of unpredictable action we’d love to see or the fairy tale of 2009. I know people don’t like bringing it up & I don’t particularly like Hamilton or Verstappen, but can you imagine what a let down it would’ve been, if 2021 finished under the safety car. Given how viciously intense that season was, it would’ve been a real anticlimax to finish behind the safety car. 2021 also goes as to why, we shouldn’t have more teams on the grid, if they’re only going to be filled with Latifi type drivers… Changes are needed, maybe even just getting rid of the big 3, would shake it up enough… 🤷♂️
They could do something like Elimination Qualifying for Sprint Races; but it would be 1 session that takes up the whole 45 minutes, hour, however long Sprint Shootout is meant to be.
And cars are eliminated in 2s or 3s periodically; far enough apart that you can go out and improve, but close enough together to have jeopardy over getting the lap in on your first go.
Would you do a comedy review of an old formula E or INDYCAR Race?
Formula E's first race at the full Monaco circuit would be a good one
I have an Idea… Q1 3 minutes, Q2 2,5 minutes and Q3 2 minutes… Chaos ! 😂
I just think it gets crazy for the last runners on timed quali's, so like everyone should get just 5 or maybe 6 laps for each session.
Meanwhile I am patiently waiting for the good old one lap per driver format to come back...
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year man!!!!!
Knew at the time it was going to be a shocker even before that first Q1 as the normal original 3 knockouts system was far , far better improvement on all the old qualifiers systems and far more consistent and should never be messed with the only exception is probably at tracks such as monza and maybe a spa at a push as they have almost oval like amounts off drafting so they alone might benefit from a one a a time single car single shot system like Indy 500 does it so to stop the weird after you style driving! Only question if you did it for monza is if the qualifying time is just a lap on its own or a set distance like Indy’s 4 laps in a row = qualifying time?
Thankfully the current gen of cars seems to have naturally eliminated the qualy nonsense we saw in the years before, combined with lap time requirements for out laps.
Elimination qualifying sucked, the only things I'd change about the current qualifying system:
- Perhaps eliminate an extra driver per session so it's just 8 cars in Q3
-Award 3/2/1 pts. for the top 3 qualifiers or alternatively 2 pts. for pole.
Since you mentioned sprints: I think they should move to the 10/8/6/5/4/3/2/1 point distribution normal races had in 2003-09 so there's more battles for the podium (or alternatively a 10/7/6... to reward a sprint winner more).
2016 was also they year they had the radio ban.
What a f**king miserable year.
Sprints can be easily fixed, keep all three test sessions, reverse points start in sprint, after a normal qualifying for the race on saturday.
6:00 'Conjured up by someone at the FIA chilling in a crack den' 🤣
My favourite comedy actor is fia
I remember how on a different channel I made a video rant about it at the time 😂
The only thing F1 should change is that the qualifying timing line should be in sector 3 before the pit lane entrance like IndyCar does. This avoids the need for a cooldown laps that lead to tows and blocking. It also gives teams an easy way to stop and get new tires on fast.
Some minor national series.
They've destroyed Qualifying ever since they introduced Sprint format
I'm glad we got rid of the sprint being the qualifier for the main race
I think they should move towards how touring cars raced. Multiple races a weekend, reverse grids and handicaps. The BTCC is one of the most exciting race series around, and F1 following their format would be great.
F1 cars can't race.
Still think single shot works best
Reverse championship order
1 lap max attack
Monaco and others would be amazing
A wild idea is that if Perez drops the taco badly again he could be dropped for Lawson. A sink or swim moment for the kiwi given that the cash cow team drivers aren’t really doing enough
did anyone ever notice that. Valttar bottas looks like Alan jackson.
Sprint qualifying refers to Sprint's (Saturday) qualy or Sprint races which were called as qualifying in 2021?
I'd say both.
This was my first full season of watching F1, so this format sticks right in my brain, and I remember it being absolutely TERRIBLE
Was it k mag raging in the start?
see, the way I see it is thus:
Sprint Race (No qualifying for it) grid taken from result of previous race, reversed, or championship order reversed. After the end of each lap, last person is out of the race, thus forcing those at the back, to actually race hard to get through the pack. Then normal qualifying as we have it now, for the race.
I still think the sprint race should set the grid for the race and we have 2 practice sessions
Seems like Sprint Qualifying is as bad as 2016 Elimination Qualifying.😂
Qualifying is one rare instance where the point goes to NASCAR. As gimmicky and manipulated as the race is, somehow they are the only series that still does a fair qualifying session.
"Not as bad as elimination qualifying" is a pretty easy bar to clear.
With the title "When The FIA RUINED Qualifying", i was kind of expecting a much longer video.
I don't get why folks are afraid of having the fastest cars start the race from the front. Isn't that what qualifying is intended to establish? If you want a jumbled-up grid, then just show up on Sunday morning and pull numbers from a hat.
Lets be clear, this was another of Bernie Ecclestones crazy ideas that he rushed the teams into agreeing with to get the rules changed before they fully realised how bad of an idea it truly was. Format changes like this are almost always FOM's call and not the FIA's.
Mehi kirikirimete aka merry Christmas from NZ Will!!!!!
The lesson here is, thank god Bernie isn't in charge of anything any more and now we have someone...also incompetent, fantastic.
The very old rule of one hour for qualifying worked.
Not really. Most of the hour was spent doing nothing. They had a maximum of 12 laps including in/out so realistically, that's 4 runs. Then most teams wait until the end for the best track situation.
Just saying they should’ve kept the 2022 sprint format
WHICH time you mean?
They try it every few years.
F1 Elimination Qualifying 🤝 NASCAR Truck Series Caution Clock
Being absolutely braindead gimmicks
We like sprint races because its basicly a Bonus race where iconic stuff could happend. The 2016 qualyfing could maybe worked better if all teams needed to be on track until the end of the session or untill there eliminiated
Has the Indycar season started yet?
Unfortunately not
Youre committing to a video per week? Brave man!
Here's my take on Sprint qualifying: it shouldn't exist.
Just reverse the top 10 after normal qualifying like the Junior series does, it's a much simpler way of going about things.
Oh god elimination quali, fuuuuuuuuuuuuck that
classic race review?
prize giving ceremony comedy review?
Ah yes... elimination qualifying. Where Q1 and Q2 were okay and Q3 was a wet fart...
Anyone who says Bernie us a Genius, is crazy... He was off his toss at the end there....
Sprint weekends suck.
really wanted to make it to that 8 minute mark didnt we will
Redo 2021 abudhabi
I dunno, on paper it sounded alright, and...then....it actually happene
As one of the other 10 sprint fans you mentioned, I still don't understand why fans don't want every race week to have a sprint race.
I know, it a lot of work and stress for drivers, mechanics, teams, etc. - but purely from a fans POV, more sprint races equals more action, and those sprints usually makes for more exiting races than the actual grand prix.
No they don't, it's actually the opposite in that they usually tell you everything about what is going to happen in the GP.
I’m confused!!!!
Elimination wasn’t that bad and still beats anything Sprint related.
I'd like to see Reverse Standings Spring Qualification Race instead... To me, the best driver is one who can drive though the field, not drive away from it each week...
This would add much more interest to Saturday, while letting Friday and Saturday morning continue to be dedicated to Free Practice. Sprint starting order would be reverse of standings (carried over from the previous year for round 1). Some tiebreaking rules would have to be created for rookies and substitutes...
Oh, and keep points for the Sprint Race--but only limit it to the top 5 drivers.
Time to watch another goat video
Bro knows about One Direction???
Can we just keep this format of qualifying but eliminate the fastest driver. Mabye we might actually then have a fight for pole.
What are "gare-ages" 😂
People ragging on DTS is becoming abit pathetic now....
Oh no a good and successful show has actually helped bring the sport back and got new fans and money in
Woe is me I wish F1 was still half empty tracks and no one wanted much part of it 🙄🙄🙄
Went to watch DTS due to the hype and realized it's a show meant for Americans. So now when we make fun of DTS fans we're actually making fun of Americans
well i dont like the sprint format.
it doesnt feel like f1 anymore. Tbh f1 hasnt been the same for years now.
i like the use of the deus ex music btw
It wasn't the FIA. The teams voted in. This is as bad as people that blamed Bernie for it at the time.
The original sprint version ended much like this system did. Anyone out of the points just turning it down to save engines. If the park ferme rules are revised this year, the sprints might be better. I also like that they are limited in number and rotate around to keep some novelty. I wish they still had a Q3/race tire rule. Then we might see some mixed up grids from people sacrificing to win pole or coming from behind on mediums. The Q2 tire rules just ruined the action. When we have competive cars the knockout shines in Q3. Like Lando says, "Max ruins everything."
Unfortunately the best we can hope for with sprints this year is reversed top 10 grids. There's a good reason the race on your Q3 tyres rule was dropped, the top teams didn't care but midfield drivers that made it in to the top 10 would find themselves disadvantaged for doing well. Punishing someone because they outqualified their competitors is a terrible idea.
I personally think having a super pole instead of q3. So essentially a 1 shot quali at the end.
Still the best season in recent history
4:07 cope harder 😂 RB and Max are just better
L FIA
Dude, just watch Moto GP. You will see actual racing.
Sprint fans represent!
I still believe that the teams deliberately sabotaged the format because it required more tires and more laps to finish qualifying. They could've very well go out and still fight for those laps. The only thing you need to do is go faster. It doesn't matter whether you are next up or not. If you are 3 places up, you can still go out to do the lap to make sure you go ahead. Waiting for the timer to pass and go "well we did nothing but thats all we could do" was just a dumb take to have at the time. There were at least 4 drivers that could've improved their lap time in order to move to q3. But I just think the teams decided they wouldn't want to push further and make sure the format died in Australia.
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I must be in the minority as I liked this format lol the current 3 session format is boring lol. My favourite was the 1 shot quali back in the day. There's no jeopardy and mixed up grids are rare unless it's wet
When FiA Ruined The 21 Abu Dhabi GP 😂
When the Fia ruined the last laps of Abu Dhabi 21 by purposly creating a 1 lap shootout human error Champion 😂😂😂
Still better than hrt in formula 1
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