His Indycar Stint was almost a reflection of his F1 years. You could see glimpses of pure pace in a slower cars and then he started to bottle it every race
Exactly. Romain is super talented when it comes to pure pace. Even in F1 he had at least the pure pace of drivers that have gotten into top teams such as Bottas or Perez. The guy just couldn't help but bottle it in important moments
@@Tatamo1989 Not really, Hulkenberg lacks his mentality and race pace as a driver, always succumbed to pressure by the time he almost finished on the podium place or battled for the lead, 2019 Hockenheimring was the latest example of this, or 2012 Interlagos for the earliest. Meanwhile, in Grosjean, you would see a more fast but consistent albeit having his own eccentric moments sometimes - if Grosjean wasn't really, well, being Grosjean he would've got at least a win.
I wish Grosjean had stayed with Dale Coyne Racing. His results were good and he was getting more out of the car than I think most people expected. In addition, he had an opportunity to build a team around himself as a team leader. Not so at Andretti. Sometimes, the grass isn't always greener. Some of his troubles were simply bad luck, but not all.
And on the other hand I'm sure a whole hill of moolah helped convince him to leave the safe space of Dale Coyne Racing..... Romain's experience coupled with Andrettis bid to get into F1 may have been another interesting factor here and may even well become so albeit most likely with Romain not in a racing role....
@@jkcesko3597 agreed, Grosjean deserves plenty of criticism but he finished 13th in the championship this year while Herta was 10th and Kirkwood 11th, it's not like his teammates have outperformed him that significantly. "There's something off at Andretti" is getting to be a bit of a cliche but their results show they don't belong in the same discussion as Penske or Ganassi right now.
@@RyanTennant Even McLaren have overtaken Andretti as the 3rd best organisation. If Rahal Letterman continue their form they'll probably 4th by next season.
Grosjean has long admitted to mental health issues stemming from earlier crashes. Somehow the fireball actually seemed to help him resolve some issues. But I think he has The Fear as we used to call it. The unforced errors, the frequent dives to the safety road to avoid contact, the wrecks. He's a lovely guy. Fast racer. But he honestly needs out of single seaters. But talking about mental health in racing is forbidden so let's all just call him a wuss apparently.
Literally all the likes of Hamilton talk about is 'mental health'. Anxiety is not a 'mental health' issue, its a normal human emotion. People like you are obsessed with classifying normal human emotion as 'mental health' issues. So yes, stop being a wuss, and man up.
Romain Grosjean. The wayward, accident-prone speed of Andrea De Cesaris and the troubled desperation of Jean-Pierre Jarier, all rolled into one driver.
Excellent analogy. He is absolutely the de Cesaris of Indycar. Not old enough to remember much about Jarier, except that James Hunt apparently didn't like him much.
haha spot on. i have never disliked a driver as much as grosjean. his incessant whining and complaining about other ppl is abhorrent. if he'd have spent as much time on himself as he did others, he'd probs still be in f1
I was at barber this year his driving was incredible. If his team didn't choose the wrong pit strategy he would have gotten first instead of just second
The sad thing is that his team chose the right strategy, but Sting Ray Robb's yellow came out at the exact moment that the Penskes on the alternate strategy needed to pit. So where Romain should have been 25 seconds down the track comfortably in the lead for their final stint, he had to start their final stint with them on his back bumper. And he STILL fended McLaughlin off all the way to the dying moments of the race, and STILL converted it to a podium finish. If not for Sting Ray, he absolutely would have won at Barber.
It's the near death privilege. Put some dramatic music over the crash, and put it in a "documentary" apparently aimed at juveniles, and suddenly people like him. Before that, he was universally reviled by the F1 community and fanbase.
I hope this is some kinda joke. People were forced to no longer voice their honest opinion about him, because it's common etiquette/sense to not say negative things about someone who nearly died. If you think they weren't all happy to see him go (from F1), I just don't know what to say. I mean, it's obvious, ain't it? They didn't want him dead, they just wanted him off the track.
@@Croga True yes, but off the track he definitely was one of the nicest drivers in my opinion. I feel like very few fans were really understanding of him and his journey. I watched an episode of F1 on sky back in 2015 interviewing Grosjean about his podium at the Belgian GP that year when he went into detail on how he spent months visiting a psychiatrist in regards to the accident he caused at the 2012 Belgian GP and how much he regretted it
Sometimes after Bahrain like Crashes (Geoff Bodine Daytons Truck) The drivers lose their fear of death and can improve, for a while and will sometimes drive closer to the 'edge'
It has definitely been painful as a Grosjean fan. Some of his issues have definitely been mistakes of his own. But in the last half of the season, it’s largely been bad luck and bad strategy. The same thing has been happening to Herta. I hope he stays on the grid.
Detroit wasn't a unforced error , It was a suspension failure, you can see it, also when it came to indy, grosjean was 18th due to engine failure on the very last lap which wasn't caught on the broadcast, it was after a very great fight up the field after he got caught in an incident with Scott Dixon
Brother youre fighting a losing war. I tried to stick by Romain in indy and after crash after crash after crash after crash you’ll see what we see now. Man sees points opportunities and all of sudden hes playing bumper cars
The Andretti team posted on socials confirming it was caused by a suspension failure on turn-in, not driver error, but I still to this day see people thinking he crashed on his own in Detroit. He did not. It, like the vast majority of his other issues, was not really his fault
I say this as an eternal fan of the underdog, I've genuinely always been a fan of Romain and this season was such a rollercoaster. He could and should've been so much better, a driver who is infinitely better than his own results. He should've won a Grand Prix but it was never to be. I really hope he finds a seat next year.😅
Romain has had an a rough second half to the season for sure but I think Colton has also looked dreadful and incident prone (especially with the pit limiter). The only person at Andretti that can win is Brian Herta.
Grosjean is the perfect example of what a champion ISN'T. All the raw speed, feel and natural talent to be a winner, with none of the mental strength and grit seen in every multiple world champion
Grosjean is careless, lacks situational awareness and he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Obviously he is not stupid as a person but he kind of is as a driver. During his Formula 1 career most of his crashes were because he misjudged the situation or randomly lost concentration when nothing out of the ordinary was happening. It's not like he melted under pressure or didn't work hard. Sometimes he had good days and sometimes bad days and they were not really affected by anything that was happening within the team or on the track.
Grosjean is careless, lacks situational awareness and he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Obviously he is not stupid as a person but he kind of is asa driver. During his Formula 1 career most of his crashes were because he misjudged the situation or randomly lost concentration when nothing out of the ordinary was happening. It's not like he melted under pressure or didn't work hard. Sometimes he had good days and sometimes bad days and they were not really affected by anything that was happening within the team or on the track.
Grosjean is literally in therapy for PTSD from an earlier. But talking about mental health in racing is forbidden. Somehow almost dying in a fireball helped his outlook. But he's had issues for a long time.
Exactly. You look at someone like Scott Dixon who might not have the fastest pace but - to borrow a term from Jurgen Klopp - he’s a "mentality monster" who just keeps finding a way to get it done. Grosjean is fast, but he wouldn’t need luck if his form was consistent. He just doesn’t have the discipline to be a top driver. He’s obviously beyond the likes of Robb, Pedersen, and DeFrancesco, but not a threat to the top drivers in IndyCar. He’s worth another season, but only one.
6:25 "Grosjean remembered he was racing on an oval" His car was destabilized by the shunt from Herta's unsafe release. That crash happened just a few laps after that stop.
@@hitmaneoin that's been the past few races, not his whole time. And who can blame him? Did you see how their strategy fucked him yesterday? I'd be fucking livid too. Besides racing causes intense emotions.
In F1, every error he made he always blamed it on everything except on himself. So he kept making the same error over and over.. He had the talent, just not the character to become a winner.
@@y_fam_goeglyd Sames goes for his alledged torpedo start at Spa. Funny that nobody talks about the one that gave him the little tick at the start. Yes, Sir I Have Forced Everbody Of Track During My Carreer Lewis Hamilton.
@@y_fam_goeglydI was always hoping that Ericsson would run into him, so we could all bask in that F1 flashback… Wish I could’ve heard what was said during that shouting match he had in the pits with a crew member late in the season. That guy was twice Grosjean’s size and could’ve snapped him like a twig.
if he was at fault he would have been the one suspended not romaine. this is the first time ive seen someone try to blame lewis for that. @@dorientjewoller113
He has a contract with Lamborghini for next year to race their new hypercar. I know that open wheel fans sort of sneer at endurance racing, but it has its fans too, and it's better than nothing anyway.
@nealmiller7849 F1 fans who sneer at any other motorsport because they think they are so high and mighty because they have no perception of other motorsports apart from F1 meme accounts making fun of other series because F1 is that boring they need to put other series down to make f1 atleast a little bit interesting
@@mischavanasperen3063 Sorry, didn't quite mean it this way. I was referring to the title of this video, trying to convey that Romain's career hasn't quite "disintegrated" yet, since he has this contract.
It was good, but still 50pts behind Kimi who sat out the last two races. That's more or less Romain in a nutshell, even at his very best he wasn't quite there.
Mainly the second half of the season, where Romain was the only guy actually taking it to the Red Bulls. Maybe if Kimi was being paid he would still be outshone, but I feel loads of people forget about that stint in his career.
In all honesty, every time that Romain had a chance, it just seemed like the pressure was just too great, and he just plunged into errors, not major crashes, but just a light tap with enough energy to break the car. Romain is a really good driver in Indycar, but after all of the near wins, you can see that the frustration really got to him. It really is sad.
Grosjean is definitely an enigma. Sato is, being charitable, prone to the occasional stupid incident, yet somehow he's all the more endearing for it in a way that Romain just isn't. Something of the Jean Alesi about him. You get the sense a win would unlock a world of potential, but he just doesn't seem able to get out of his own head.
Sato is less naturally gifted, but never throws a strop. He learns from his errors and improves. Grosjean? He allows his emotions to cloud his judgement time and time again.
@@crystalracing4794 I was jumping for joy when Sato won the 500, but even though I'd be pleased for him, I just don't think Grosjean would provoke the same visceral reaction in me. Strange.
I can't believe Sting Ray raised $9m for a ride next year. Just wild people would put that kind of money up for him. Pruett mentioned even Andretti are looking at him for Devs seat.
I think Romain does deserve to stay in Indycar, on his day he is extremely fast, he just needs somewhere where there is no pressure, there's far too much of that at the big 3, they can be rather quick to chop of any wood that is even slightly dead. He would be great for Dale Coyne again, and they'd be great for him.
I knew he’s shown he can win races in IndyCar, but couldn’t close the deal :( I feel like he was better in the #51. Awful that Grosjean and Andretti don’t see each other eye-to-eye nowadays
In the 51 he drove calm, cautios and collected. In the 28, he went back to win it or bin it. Most often binning it. And always arguing or even shouting at his crew. I guess after Road America Andretti was finally fed up enough.
@@Cloney1337 yeah he was better in the 51. Also the only balls of steel moment was when he sent it to Jimmie coming into the corkscrew and he finished 3rd. But as for the 28, I thought things would get better and there was some promise. And yeah, the relationship isn’t working anymore. I know he’s got the Lambo stuff, but man it would be cool if he reunited with Dale and Rick
He had some amazing moments at Lotus and some good moments with Andretti. I’ve actually met him and he’s such a nice person to his fans. I hope he finds a seat somewhere and can continue racing.
I had high hopes for the Frenchman when he first got here. It was awesome watching him in person make passes in his first ever oval race at Gateway in 2021.
Two things. Detroit was a suspension failure BEFORE he hit the wall. Indy GP 2 he got stuck after that pile up in turn 4. Ruined his race. Everything else I’m with you on I do think Andretti need to take some responsibility for how Romains time with them has gone. They’ve let him down about as many times as Romain’s binned it on his own. Also he’s more than a match for the golden boys, Herta and Kirkwood. Give him back the results from St Pete and Detroit (again, not his fault) and he’s right there with them in the standings Fingers crossed he goes back to DCR. Perfect environment for him to reset and chase that elusive win in 2024
Right Europeans talk trash about oval racing but most of them a scared or worried about racing around them. There’s definitely more to it than driving in circles.
He had an error-laden run with Andretti but Andretti managed to torpedo the year for every one of the drivers on the team, so perhaps a return to a team not quite so unable to handle the various disconnected directions it's determined to follow is the ticket.
He'll be on the IndyCar grid next season, everyone cool your jets. He's a talented veteran that still has a few years left in him, and he's proven that this season (even if it was only in the first half). Andretti should be looked at as a problem more than people seem to say, after all they only got 2 wins this season and fell off massively as a whole after the first one. They squandered great result after great result for Grosjean, Kirkwood, and especially Herta. I believe this will simply turn out to be a pairing that was never meant to work while Grosjean goes on to recover just fine.
Man, I was so happy to see him come to America and race, he did look like he was going to be a consistent front runner in the beginning. Maybe there's a chance he stays and he can sort himself out. He is fast, just needs to keep his eye on the ball a litter better. I am rooting for him.
I'd like to see him back at DCR next year, even if only for a few races. I used to live fairly close to their shop, and I was friendly with a few of the guys there. They all had nothing but good things to say about working with Grosjean, even if they didn't always feel like they had the car to match his speed. It's a small team with a small budget. I know that a lot of DCR's personnel have been poached since then, and that 2021 might have been the limit as far as their performance was concerned, but it really seems like they worked well together.
Scottie Mac passing him at Barber broke him. He immediately stopped his social media, his youtube, and started to get really frustrated with the team. That pass at Barber was RoGro's last straw. To continue - They both entered the league together. He was BETTER then Scott in their rookie year. That pass. The way he blew all of the P2P within 2 laps of being passed. That was it.
Don't think that broke him. He was never going to win it anyway. The poorly timed yellow allowed the 3 stop to work. His 2 stop fuel save was never going to be enough. I think he knew he lost on strategy and not pace.
@@lucasday7330 But then his social media went from 100% to like 0 almost immediately after that race. He went from interviewing people on airplanes to a short Barber video, a shorter IndyGP video to nothing basically immediately.
I'm amazed he made it to Indy. I know it seems horrible to say, but Grosjean's fireball accident was the best thing that happened for his career at the time because he had little fans in F1 due to his accident prone nature. All of the media attention after his crash practically got him the Indy drive.
Consistency is one of the top priorities in motor racing. If a driver starts to attack the walls or the scenery on a regular basis is a bad career move. It's a pity, he's bought a light plane, that may become a hangar queen. Thanks for a great video I look forward to more.
His problem with Indy Ovals only goes to show the F1 elitist, who self proclaim themselves to be the best drivers in the world, that they are clearly not. Their cars maybe the best in terms of technology but the drivers are certainly not.
Certainly one should keep in mind that driving in the indy grid is much harder than f1. There are far more cars racing reducing space making it so much easier to have pile up after pile up. The most important in my opinion would be the difference in driving standards, indy really needs to work on that.
There was a fight that went down within his team that involved Romain that will be explained more indept soon but that was a big reason that he was not re-signed and also a big part of it was that Romain lost DHL the team's biggest sponsor. He did not perform and no team wants to keep a pain in the ass driver that also isn't bringing good results.
Looking at the last race at Laguna Seca he really showed he can send it. But all in all, that's not enough. There'll be always the Dixons and Palous, who'll both be able to send it from time to time but also can take the car reliably to the finish line and the podium as well.
Well I wanted RGJ to come to Indycar so we would see that F1 drivers are not quite the pinnacle people think. I also bore a grudge with Haas and Gunther Steiner for trashing American driver talent, while Haas was being promoted as an "American" team blah, blah, blah. At that time American driver Rossi needed a F1 seat and I felt talent wise he was on par with Grosjean. Then he comes to Indycar wins the 500, and several Indycar races etc... Then Romain comes to Indycar and I think now we get a nice match up in the same equipment and had my biases confirmed. Better yet then they drove for the same team wow this should do it. Well somewhere along the way I became a Romain fan, I really like the guy and think he is much faster than I had given him credit for. I always felt he was accident prone especially under pressure and that seems to be confirmed. Rossi has won races and been as high as high as 2cnd and 3rd in the championship. He has always finished higher than Romain so I should be happy right. No actually, Romain is clearly fast enough to win races on pure pace. Grosjean was taken out several times being no fault of his own when he was poised to win in St Petersburg and maybe in St Louis. This season Romains lack of emotional self control and dealing with his crew ruined what should have seen him much much higher in the standings. I hope he gets another shot at Coyne or somewhere and finishes his career on a high note. I also know he and Rossi were not on good terms and now have hung out together and are maybe friends on some level. That is cool honestly. Indycar is a bit better with the Frenchmen in it than not, if he can get a grip and be calm under pressure look out. I know old dogs new tricks right.
I feel this is a little over-critical on Grosjean, when in fact you need to look at Andretti Autosport team as a whole this season. They've been off the pace for the vast majority of the season, epecially on ovals. Also look at Romain's team mates, Herta is 10th and Kirkwood 11th in the driver's standings, with Romain 13th. Andretti needed to look at themselves before their drivers, but in typical American fashion, the employee gets the blame rather than the management who run the operation.
Truthfully the guy has no luck on his side. I mean really the only luck i saw go his whole way this season was him getting into the pits before a yellow with Pato at Leguna today and put him to the top on the restart. Lots of bad breaks all season. Some forced errors, some strategical errors by the team. Hopefully DCR picks him up
Think about this one. Grosjean was one of those accidents (Spa 2012) that sparked the debat about the Halo. And in 2020 he proved that it was the correct descision.
I had high hopes for him.... He's wicked fast when he has a good car, but once he looses his cool, he either overdrives the car or makes stupid, overaggressive decisions. Yes, many of his failures this past year have been on the shoulders of other drivers, his car, or poor strategy on the part of his team, but he has a knack for making those situations worse with his temper. I hope he can stay in the series, I hope he can find a better situation with his team or another, and I hope he can grow to meet that awesome potential he has. We shall see.
Thanks for your channel. Brilliant commentary - superb sense of humour! Love it :) On the reality of Grosjean - how on earth can he be wanted by any team with his track record! Clearly some people have more money than sense.
They were probably impressed by his admittedly sheer blinding speed in the lower teams. A little bit foolish in hindsight to overlook his many on-track misadventures, yes...
Nibody un F1 wanted him. He reminds me of Andre De Ceasaris or De crasherese as he became known. He just cannot get his brain in front of his right foot.
Grosjean is an enigma. I 'followed' his career from his first GP2 stint up till now. Speed was never his problem, but he always had these very weird rookie-accidents time and time again. It just seemed he black out at time or just wasn't driving with his eyes open. Remember him shoving Webber out of the way in Turn 1 suzuka? That was batshit insane. Amazingly, when he got the big accident, people tend to look at him more favouribly. Why? He almost killed himself, he and him alone was responsible for that big accident. It was just another typical bonehead Grosjean move and he got a test drive at Mercedes out of it. The only reason he was in F1 for that long was because he was French and the only reason he stayed in F1 was his experience which was the only reason he got into indycar. He will never ever learn.
Racing can be an unforgiving, brutal sport. He’s only a few months removed from being a favorite for the Indycar title to struggling to find a ride. Brutal, brutal, sport.
If team Andretti had managed a proper race strategy like Chip Ganassi did Romain would have finished certainly with a chance of a podium. Instead they pitted him just after he took the lead and after every other team had topped off on fuel. They crucified his race. Michael Andretti doesn’t manage his drivers very well at all. I mean when did Herta last win a race?
I find the personalities of IRL kinda annoying-they are in very similar cars and they are all aggressive but get so upset, throw tantrums and then hold grudges making threats like some Busch league. Will Power one race is like I don’t care what people do,I just love being out here and next race freaking out-like a high school drama scene-Romain is at least interesting in his follies-he has big temper but isn’t usually threatening to use his car as a weapon against anyone-granted he kinda does it anyway but still
As an American who exclusively watches F1, I hope Romain is able to keep driving in Indy car. Solely so I can say, “Good for him.” on the off chance he gets a race win… just like I got to say for Erikson a couple years ago.
4:40. its 10 to 4am and everywhere is quieter than the proverbial church mouse. so, having just taken a sip of very expensive coffee you made your comment "actually, never mind that." for some strange unknown reason i found this extremely funny, which resulted in me spitting out my expensive coffee all over my laptop screen (there wasnt a lot of coffee to be fair). so thank you for making me laugh so hard i think i might have woken my next door neighbour!
A race car driver that can't handle the slightest amount of pressure or he's gonna bin it. I loved his driving out of the gate for Lotus...and kept being a fan and kept making excuses until I finally had to admit that this guy just didn't have it. My turning point was him careening deliberately into Rahal last year. It's a shame - there was some legitimate speed there. But without mental discipline that speed becomes moot. He will never win a top tier series race. Retire and spend time with your family, man.
Having never watched Indy, can't really comment on his career there, so this vid was informative there. But as an avid F1 fan, I've watched his entire career there, where in his first career, he was fast but dangerous and in his 2nd career, he was still fast but lacked that consistency. He joined the Haas team hoping to use that as a stepping stone into Ferrari, due to their connections but similarly he never really had the luck when the Haas actually looked competitive and as the years ticked by, the car just got worse. So overall, he was never my favourite driver but his obvious speed meant i wished he got a chance higher up the grid but his bad luck combined with lack of consistency/concentration meant he was always overlooked. The biggest surprise for me, was learning his replacement, though in fairness younger driver, of Ericsson, as his career in F1 was short, backed mainly by investment, as he was slow, often beaten by his teammates and u would easily have rated Romain over him, atleast in his younger F1 days.
I haven't heard much nois about how Bahrain crash was caused by the same bullshit he pulled the whole season, suddenly changing the "lanes" right in front of other cars.
I haven’t been more sad all year. At times he’s been desperately unlucky this year. Other times he’s been awesome. Sometimes he’s been pretty meh. And at times he’s been romain goeswrong
Well I dont really care about his Indy Career. I want to see him getting good results in WEC with Lamborghini and hopefully being as competetive as Ferrari in their first Season.
He could be in IMSA instead of WEC as he has experience there and in America in general with Indycar, but I think there is probably not a high chance of Lambo being as competitive in 2024 as Ferrari in 2023, not to mention the experience the current teams on the grid will have over Iron Lynx with the SC63, if they are not far away, they will be doing pretty well.
Not sure why Dale Coyne would need Grosjean, unless he brings money. I really enjoyed following Roman in the F1 aftermath and finding enjoyment in racing via Indycar, but it turns out he just doesn't seem that impressive as a driver.
Shame about Grosjean, but he never seemed to handle pressure that well. Dale might take him back, but he needs to bring funding to get a ride at DCR. Off topic, I heard that Chip was looking for a pay driver for the 8 car - both DeFrancesco and Sting Ray were rumored to be able to bring enough funding for that particular ride...
I'm honestly baffled as to why any team would've picked up Grosjean after his F1 career. He was most we'll known for moving around under braking and on the straights with minimal awareness of who was around him, and dangerously cutting off other drivers. Very glad he came out of the fire at Abu Dhabi (basically) unharmed, but it was a classic Grosjean darting around the track on the straight that caused the incident. He clipped the front of a Williams that he clearly didn't know was there. It's just baffling to me why serious race teams in the US would pick him up after watching this go on for years & years
He's never been able to cope with pressure, whenever he's been in a quick car and there are expectations he starts falling apart on track and getting emotional off track.
His Indycar Stint was almost a reflection of his F1 years. You could see glimpses of pure pace in a slower cars and then he started to bottle it every race
Story of his life
Exactly. Romain is super talented when it comes to pure pace. Even in F1 he had at least the pure pace of drivers that have gotten into top teams such as Bottas or Perez.
The guy just couldn't help but bottle it in important moments
Just like Hulkenberg but better.
@@kohikappu hulkenberg is clear the better driver lol
@@Tatamo1989 Not really, Hulkenberg lacks his mentality and race pace as a driver, always succumbed to pressure by the time he almost finished on the podium place or battled for the lead, 2019 Hockenheimring was the latest example of this, or 2012 Interlagos for the earliest. Meanwhile, in Grosjean, you would see a more fast but consistent albeit having his own eccentric moments sometimes - if Grosjean wasn't really, well, being Grosjean he would've got at least a win.
I wish Grosjean had stayed with Dale Coyne Racing. His results were good and he was getting more out of the car than I think most people expected. In addition, he had an opportunity to build a team around himself as a team leader. Not so at Andretti. Sometimes, the grass isn't always greener. Some of his troubles were simply bad luck, but not all.
And on the other hand I'm sure a whole hill of moolah helped convince him to leave the safe space of Dale Coyne Racing..... Romain's experience coupled with Andrettis bid to get into F1 may have been another interesting factor here and may even well become so albeit most likely with Romain not in a racing role....
Exactly.
Same here. Big mistake driving for Andretti.
@@jkcesko3597 agreed, Grosjean deserves plenty of criticism but he finished 13th in the championship this year while Herta was 10th and Kirkwood 11th, it's not like his teammates have outperformed him that significantly. "There's something off at Andretti" is getting to be a bit of a cliche but their results show they don't belong in the same discussion as Penske or Ganassi right now.
@@RyanTennant Even McLaren have overtaken Andretti as the 3rd best organisation. If Rahal Letterman continue their form they'll probably 4th by next season.
Grosjean has long admitted to mental health issues stemming from earlier crashes. Somehow the fireball actually seemed to help him resolve some issues. But I think he has The Fear as we used to call it. The unforced errors, the frequent dives to the safety road to avoid contact, the wrecks. He's a lovely guy. Fast racer. But he honestly needs out of single seaters. But talking about mental health in racing is forbidden so let's all just call him a wuss apparently.
Literally all the likes of Hamilton talk about is 'mental health'. Anxiety is not a 'mental health' issue, its a normal human emotion. People like you are obsessed with classifying normal human emotion as 'mental health' issues. So yes, stop being a wuss, and man up.
Actually, he’s a talentless wuss.
Mature comment 👍🏿
Very sensible comment and food for thought
It would be interesting if he went to endurance racing
Romain Grosjean. The wayward, accident-prone speed of Andrea De Cesaris and the troubled desperation of Jean-Pierre Jarier, all rolled into one driver.
Excellent analogy. He is absolutely the de Cesaris of Indycar. Not old enough to remember much about Jarier, except that James Hunt apparently didn't like him much.
elegantly put 😂
He's basically the modern Tomas Scheckter of IndyCar. Only difference is Tomas Scheckter won a race...
haha spot on. i have never disliked a driver as much as grosjean. his incessant whining and complaining about other ppl is abhorrent.
if he'd have spent as much time on himself as he did others, he'd probs still be in f1
Many don't remember "Decrasherous" But I never compared unlucky Grosjean with him.
I was at barber this year his driving was incredible. If his team didn't choose the wrong pit strategy he would have gotten first instead of just second
The sad thing is that his team chose the right strategy, but Sting Ray Robb's yellow came out at the exact moment that the Penskes on the alternate strategy needed to pit. So where Romain should have been 25 seconds down the track comfortably in the lead for their final stint, he had to start their final stint with them on his back bumper. And he STILL fended McLaughlin off all the way to the dying moments of the race, and STILL converted it to a podium finish. If not for Sting Ray, he absolutely would have won at Barber.
It is crazy how it took a nearly fatal crash for people to actually see the nice guy side Grosjean always had throughout his career
It's the near death privilege. Put some dramatic music over the crash, and put it in a "documentary" apparently aimed at juveniles, and suddenly people like him. Before that, he was universally reviled by the F1 community and fanbase.
I hope this is some kinda joke.
People were forced to no longer voice their honest opinion about him, because it's common etiquette/sense to not say negative things about someone who nearly died.
If you think they weren't all happy to see him go (from F1), I just don't know what to say. I mean, it's obvious, ain't it?
They didn't want him dead, they just wanted him off the track.
No one saw it because he kept it very well hidden under an annoying, accident prone, angry exterior shield.
@@Croga True yes, but off the track he definitely was one of the nicest drivers in my opinion. I feel like very few fans were really understanding of him and his journey.
I watched an episode of F1 on sky back in 2015 interviewing Grosjean about his podium at the Belgian GP that year when he went into detail on how he spent months visiting a psychiatrist in regards to the accident he caused at the 2012 Belgian GP and how much he regretted it
Sometimes after Bahrain like Crashes (Geoff Bodine Daytons Truck) The drivers lose their fear of death and can improve, for a while and will sometimes drive closer to the 'edge'
Will, are you sure the title should not be: 'How Grosjean's Career Went Up In Flames...' ?
I’ve seen you’ve learnt from him 😂
💀
better yet, ‘how grosjeans career was extinguished’
«melted»
That is a harsh burn
It has definitely been painful as a Grosjean fan. Some of his issues have definitely been mistakes of his own. But in the last half of the season, it’s largely been bad luck and bad strategy. The same thing has been happening to Herta. I hope he stays on the grid.
I totally agree about Roman's strategy sometimes it was so obviously wrong your left wondering how it could happen
And I thought Grosjean had already been roasted enough in 2020…
Yikes
🤣
Ai...
Gonna need an ice pack for that one
Harsh but still funny 😂
Detroit wasn't a unforced error , It was a suspension failure, you can see it, also when it came to indy, grosjean was 18th due to engine failure on the very last lap which wasn't caught on the broadcast, it was after a very great fight up the field after he got caught in an incident with Scott Dixon
Brother youre fighting a losing war. I tried to stick by Romain in indy and after crash after crash after crash after crash you’ll see what we see now. Man sees points opportunities and all of sudden hes playing bumper cars
@@DrTortoiselle I obviously mean it failed before he hit the wall you fucking idiot
@@BigPapiChihe's just telling the truth lmao he's not fighting any war
The Andretti team posted on socials confirming it was caused by a suspension failure on turn-in, not driver error, but I still to this day see people thinking he crashed on his own in Detroit. He did not. It, like the vast majority of his other issues, was not really his fault
I say this as an eternal fan of the underdog, I've genuinely always been a fan of Romain and this season was such a rollercoaster. He could and should've been so much better, a driver who is infinitely better than his own results. He should've won a Grand Prix but it was never to be. I really hope he finds a seat next year.😅
Romain has had an a rough second half to the season for sure but I think Colton has also looked dreadful and incident prone (especially with the pit limiter). The only person at Andretti that can win is Brian Herta.
This is just a horrible year for Andretti.
And Kirkwood
I also would like to point out that Andretti sucks at building a friendly environment.
Grosjean is the perfect example of what a champion ISN'T. All the raw speed, feel and natural talent to be a winner, with none of the mental strength and grit seen in every multiple world champion
Grosjean is careless, lacks situational awareness and he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Obviously he is not stupid as a person but he kind of is as a driver.
During his Formula 1 career most of his crashes were because he misjudged the situation or randomly lost concentration when nothing out of the ordinary was happening. It's not like he melted under pressure or didn't work hard. Sometimes he had good days and sometimes bad days and they were not really affected by anything that was happening within the team or on the track.
I couldn’t have say it better
Grosjean is careless, lacks situational awareness and he doesn't learn from his mistakes. Obviously he is not stupid as a person but he kind of is asa driver.
During his Formula 1 career most of his crashes were because he misjudged the situation or randomly lost concentration when nothing out of the ordinary was happening. It's not like he melted under pressure or didn't work hard. Sometimes he had good days and sometimes bad days and they were not really affected by anything that was happening within the team or on the track.
Grosjean is literally in therapy for PTSD from an earlier. But talking about mental health in racing is forbidden. Somehow almost dying in a fireball helped his outlook. But he's had issues for a long time.
Exactly. You look at someone like Scott Dixon who might not have the fastest pace but - to borrow a term from Jurgen Klopp - he’s a "mentality monster" who just keeps finding a way to get it done. Grosjean is fast, but he wouldn’t need luck if his form was consistent. He just doesn’t have the discipline to be a top driver. He’s obviously beyond the likes of Robb, Pedersen, and DeFrancesco, but not a threat to the top drivers in IndyCar. He’s worth another season, but only one.
he was winning at one point but down to bad strategy ended up 11th in Laguna
6:25 "Grosjean remembered he was racing on an oval" His car was destabilized by the shunt from Herta's unsafe release. That crash happened just a few laps after that stop.
Yeah this commentary is a few steps off the pace
I still root for him! He's a great dude and fun to watch and I hope he's back on track in indy next year.
He is very good and friendly with fans.
I agree I like him a lot.
He treats his crew like garbage.
@@hitmaneoin that's been the past few races, not his whole time. And who can blame him? Did you see how their strategy fucked him yesterday? I'd be fucking livid too. Besides racing causes intense emotions.
In F1, every error he made he always blamed it on everything except on himself. So he kept making the same error over and over.. He had the talent, just not the character to become a winner.
Wasn't he hit by Eriksson? ;)
@@y_fam_goeglyd Sames goes for his alledged torpedo start at Spa. Funny that nobody talks about the one that gave him the little tick at the start. Yes, Sir I Have Forced Everbody Of Track During My Carreer Lewis Hamilton.
@@dorientjewoller113to be fair, Hamilton had a pretty decent crash record before 2021 it's just since then he's been involved in a fair few crashes.
@@y_fam_goeglydI was always hoping that Ericsson would run into him, so we could all bask in that F1 flashback…
Wish I could’ve heard what was said during that shouting match he had in the pits with a crew member late in the season. That guy was twice Grosjean’s size and could’ve snapped him like a twig.
if he was at fault he would have been the one suspended not romaine. this is the first time ive seen someone try to blame lewis for that. @@dorientjewoller113
Romain has always been fast. Super fast. Just inconsistent. It’s a shame. He has so much talent.
Andrea De Cesaris indeed.
Marshal Pruitt been sitting on a story about Grosjean and Andretti.
I don’t have much going on in my life. So I’m looking forward to it
Yeah, he said he’s going to talk about it after the season finale. He’s making it sound like it’s a big deal. I’m really wondering what it is.
@@Bolt_theG35 Andretti to F1 with Grosjean making his bold return to the sport alongside them
@@leyj_ I’ll have to believe that when I see it. Andretti is still getting so much crap and pushback from the F1 owners.
@@Bolt_theG35they are talking about making a deal to where if Andretti pays over the 200m amount he is in and the teams won't complain.
@@LimitPro1 to my understanding he already paid that or said he has no problem paying that. Part of the reason he’s backed by Cadillac.
He seems like a nice guy.
By which I mean he's finishing last a whole lot this season.
Scorch.
Don't think he finished last more than once this season
He has a contract with Lamborghini for next year to race their new hypercar. I know that open wheel fans sort of sneer at endurance racing, but it has its fans too, and it's better than nothing anyway.
A Lamborghini hypercar contract is more impressive than any IndyCar drive...unless you drive for Penske or Ganassi.
who the f is sneering at endurance driving, that is such a rare thing
@nealmiller7849 F1 fans who sneer at any other motorsport because they think they are so high and mighty because they have no perception of other motorsports apart from F1 meme accounts making fun of other series because F1 is that boring they need to put other series down to make f1 atleast a little bit interesting
As an 'open wheel' fan I think calling the WEC 'better than nothing' quite downgrading.
It also undermines your sentiment a bit...
@@mischavanasperen3063 Sorry, didn't quite mean it this way. I was referring to the title of this video, trying to convey that Romain's career hasn't quite "disintegrated" yet, since he has this contract.
It is such a shame, Grosjean's 2013 F1 season was sooo good and yet he never lived up to that again
It was good, but still 50pts behind Kimi who sat out the last two races. That's more or less Romain in a nutshell, even at his very best he wasn't quite there.
Mainly the second half of the season, where Romain was the only guy actually taking it to the Red Bulls. Maybe if Kimi was being paid he would still be outshone, but I feel loads of people forget about that stint in his career.
Almost like how his 2022 and 2023 indycar seasons never lived up to the potential of his 2021 season
Fun fact, Grojean had 6 times as many podium finishes in his rookie 2012 F1 year then Verstappen had in his rookie 2015 year.
@@jessebarrett7968 his rookie season in F1 is the best season of his career.
In all honesty, every time that Romain had a chance, it just seemed like the pressure was just too great, and he just plunged into errors, not major crashes, but just a light tap with enough energy to break the car. Romain is a really good driver in Indycar, but after all of the near wins, you can see that the frustration really got to him. It really is sad.
just forgot to mention that he has a seat in iron lynx for the 2024 hypercar season at WEC and maybe IMSA
Grosjean is definitely an enigma. Sato is, being charitable, prone to the occasional stupid incident, yet somehow he's all the more endearing for it in a way that Romain just isn't. Something of the Jean Alesi about him. You get the sense a win would unlock a world of potential, but he just doesn't seem able to get out of his own head.
Sato is less naturally gifted, but never throws a strop. He learns from his errors and improves. Grosjean? He allows his emotions to cloud his judgement time and time again.
@@crystalracing4794 I was jumping for joy when Sato won the 500, but even though I'd be pleased for him, I just don't think Grosjean would provoke the same visceral reaction in me. Strange.
I’m just concerned that Sting Ray has a ride next year , just as Will does. Think of all the lost material if he doesn’t. 😂
It appears Mazaspin is still a viable target
I can't believe Sting Ray raised $9m for a ride next year. Just wild people would put that kind of money up for him. Pruett mentioned even Andretti are looking at him for Devs seat.
I think Romain does deserve to stay in Indycar, on his day he is extremely fast, he just needs somewhere where there is no pressure, there's far too much of that at the big 3, they can be rather quick to chop of any wood that is even slightly dead. He would be great for Dale Coyne again, and they'd be great for him.
Why not just hire someone who can handle the pressure? If he can't after 15 years of F1 and Indycar, it's not going to happen in the future.
I knew he’s shown he can win races in IndyCar, but couldn’t close the deal :( I feel like he was better in the #51.
Awful that Grosjean and Andretti don’t see each other eye-to-eye nowadays
In the 51 he drove calm, cautios and collected. In the 28, he went back to win it or bin it. Most often binning it. And always arguing or even shouting at his crew. I guess after Road America Andretti was finally fed up enough.
@@Cloney1337 yeah he was better in the 51. Also the only balls of steel moment was when he sent it to Jimmie coming into the corkscrew and he finished 3rd.
But as for the 28, I thought things would get better and there was some promise. And yeah, the relationship isn’t working anymore.
I know he’s got the Lambo stuff, but man it would be cool if he reunited with Dale and Rick
Probably replace the entirety of the 28 crew
He can’t handle stress. He had very little stress/expectations driving the 51
@@randygravel2057 for someone who had a little bit of stress in the 51 thanks to it being a smaller team, he did pretty well there.
This guy managed to crash behind a SC in F1, and blame it on Ericson. His career did not desintegrate in Indy, it was already destroyed in F1.
He had some amazing moments at Lotus and some good moments with Andretti. I’ve actually met him and he’s such a nice person to his fans. I hope he finds a seat somewhere and can continue racing.
I had high hopes for the Frenchman when he first got here. It was awesome watching him in person make passes in his first ever oval race at Gateway in 2021.
Wish him all the best, Hopefully he returns to fighting form in another sit.
Will like to see him in the Lamborghini LMDh next year.
Gosjean is banned from the bumper cars at most town fairs for all his accidents. How is he going to get a drive with a real team.
Hopefully he can bring it home for the 51 team next year
Two things. Detroit was a suspension failure BEFORE he hit the wall. Indy GP 2 he got stuck after that pile up in turn 4. Ruined his race. Everything else I’m with you on
I do think Andretti need to take some responsibility for how Romains time with them has gone. They’ve let him down about as many times as Romain’s binned it on his own.
Also he’s more than a match for the golden boys, Herta and Kirkwood. Give him back the results from St Pete and Detroit (again, not his fault) and he’s right there with them in the standings
Fingers crossed he goes back to DCR. Perfect environment for him to reset and chase that elusive win in 2024
That Grosjean crash still gives me chills
Right Europeans talk trash about oval racing but most of them a scared or worried about racing around them. There’s definitely more to it than driving in circles.
He had an error-laden run with Andretti but Andretti managed to torpedo the year for every one of the drivers on the team, so perhaps a return to a team not quite so unable to handle the various disconnected directions it's determined to follow is the ticket.
He'll be on the IndyCar grid next season, everyone cool your jets. He's a talented veteran that still has a few years left in him, and he's proven that this season (even if it was only in the first half). Andretti should be looked at as a problem more than people seem to say, after all they only got 2 wins this season and fell off massively as a whole after the first one. They squandered great result after great result for Grosjean, Kirkwood, and especially Herta. I believe this will simply turn out to be a pairing that was never meant to work while Grosjean goes on to recover just fine.
He is a destroyer of expensive cars
Romain deserves a spot in Indy, that is in the grand stands knitting
I still remember that 2013 Japan Grosjean, what could have been
Hopefully Romain can get some good results in WEC next year.
He could be in IMSA instead of WEC, but either way hopefully he can perform in Lamborghini's new top class prototype
Man, I was so happy to see him come to America and race, he did look like he was going to be a consistent front runner in the beginning. Maybe there's a chance he stays and he can sort himself out. He is fast, just needs to keep his eye on the ball a litter better. I am rooting for him.
I'd like to see him back at DCR next year, even if only for a few races. I used to live fairly close to their shop, and I was friendly with a few of the guys there. They all had nothing but good things to say about working with Grosjean, even if they didn't always feel like they had the car to match his speed. It's a small team with a small budget. I know that a lot of DCR's personnel have been poached since then, and that 2021 might have been the limit as far as their performance was concerned, but it really seems like they worked well together.
Scottie Mac passing him at Barber broke him.
He immediately stopped his social media, his youtube, and started to get really frustrated with the team.
That pass at Barber was RoGro's last straw.
To continue - They both entered the league together. He was BETTER then Scott in their rookie year. That pass. The way he blew all of the P2P within 2 laps of being passed. That was it.
Don't think that broke him. He was never going to win it anyway. The poorly timed yellow allowed the 3 stop to work. His 2 stop fuel save was never going to be enough. I think he knew he lost on strategy and not pace.
@@lucasday7330 But then his social media went from 100% to like 0 almost immediately after that race. He went from interviewing people on airplanes to a short Barber video, a shorter IndyGP video to nothing basically immediately.
I'm amazed he made it to Indy. I know it seems horrible to say, but Grosjean's fireball accident was the best thing that happened for his career at the time because he had little fans in F1 due to his accident prone nature. All of the media attention after his crash practically got him the Indy drive.
I read under the Bahrain video that “it took him almost dying for people to love him”. But Will won’t let him be😂
Consistency is one of the top priorities in motor racing. If a driver starts to attack the walls or the scenery on a regular basis is a bad career move. It's a pity, he's bought a light plane, that may become a hangar queen.
Thanks for a great video I look forward to more.
His problem with Indy Ovals only goes to show the F1 elitist, who self proclaim themselves to be the best drivers in the world, that they are clearly not. Their cars maybe the best in terms of technology but the drivers are certainly not.
Certainly one should keep in mind that driving in the indy grid is much harder than f1. There are far more cars racing reducing space making it so much easier to have pile up after pile up. The most important in my opinion would be the difference in driving standards, indy really needs to work on that.
sting ray robb has hit the wall more than the amount of races he has started
Well he's now a works Lamborghini driver so it's not all bad
There was a fight that went down within his team that involved Romain that will be explained more indept soon but that was a big reason that he was not re-signed and also a big part of it was that Romain lost DHL the team's biggest sponsor. He did not perform and no team wants to keep a pain in the ass driver that also isn't bringing good results.
Looking at the last race at Laguna Seca he really showed he can send it. But all in all, that's not enough. There'll be always the Dixons and Palous, who'll both be able to send it from time to time but also can take the car reliably to the finish line and the podium as well.
Looks like he's with DCR again next year?
And he's a factory's Lamborghini driver.
I hope my career "disintegrates" like his
That Grosjean crash still gives me chills. And I thought Grosjean had already been roasted enough in 2020….
For whatever it's worth, any cat that still has the chutzpah to get back in a seat after Bahrain is a winner of sorts in my book.
Well I wanted RGJ to come to Indycar so we would see that F1 drivers are not quite the pinnacle people think. I also bore a grudge with Haas and Gunther Steiner for trashing American driver talent, while Haas was being promoted as an "American" team blah, blah, blah. At that time American driver Rossi needed a F1 seat and I felt talent wise he was on par with Grosjean. Then he comes to Indycar wins the 500, and several Indycar races etc... Then Romain comes to Indycar and I think now we get a nice match up in the same equipment and had my biases confirmed. Better yet then they drove for the same team wow this should do it. Well somewhere along the way I became a Romain fan, I really like the guy and think he is much faster than I had given him credit for. I always felt he was accident prone especially under pressure and that seems to be confirmed. Rossi has won races and been as high as high as 2cnd and 3rd in the championship. He has always finished higher than Romain so I should be happy right. No actually, Romain is clearly fast enough to win races on pure pace. Grosjean was taken out several times being no fault of his own when he was poised to win in St Petersburg and maybe in St Louis. This season Romains lack of emotional self control and dealing with his crew ruined what should have seen him much much higher in the standings. I hope he gets another shot at Coyne or somewhere and finishes his career on a high note. I also know he and Rossi were not on good terms and now have hung out together and are maybe friends on some level. That is cool honestly. Indycar is a bit better with the Frenchmen in it than not, if he can get a grip and be calm under pressure look out. I know old dogs new tricks right.
Andretti press: There was a problem with the car
Andretti engineers: Yeah the problem exists between seat and steering wheel
I feel this is a little over-critical on Grosjean, when in fact you need to look at Andretti Autosport team as a whole this season. They've been off the pace for the vast majority of the season, epecially on ovals. Also look at Romain's team mates, Herta is 10th and Kirkwood 11th in the driver's standings, with Romain 13th.
Andretti needed to look at themselves before their drivers, but in typical American fashion, the employee gets the blame rather than the management who run the operation.
Grosjean NEVER was you guys was thinking or wanting to be, sorry.
Truthfully the guy has no luck on his side. I mean really the only luck i saw go his whole way this season was him getting into the pits before a yellow with Pato at Leguna today and put him to the top on the restart. Lots of bad breaks all season. Some forced errors, some strategical errors by the team. Hopefully DCR picks him up
Good drivers make luck. If he has none, that speaks to his lack of ability.
Think about this one. Grosjean was one of those accidents (Spa 2012) that sparked the debat about the Halo. And in 2020 he proved that it was the correct descision.
I had high hopes for him.... He's wicked fast when he has a good car, but once he looses his cool, he either overdrives the car or makes stupid, overaggressive decisions. Yes, many of his failures this past year have been on the shoulders of other drivers, his car, or poor strategy on the part of his team, but he has a knack for making those situations worse with his temper.
I hope he can stay in the series, I hope he can find a better situation with his team or another, and I hope he can grow to meet that awesome potential he has. We shall see.
2:58 Bros eyebrows are non existant 💀
Thanks for your channel. Brilliant commentary - superb sense of humour! Love it :) On the reality of Grosjean - how on earth can he be wanted by any team with his track record! Clearly some people have more money than sense.
They were probably impressed by his admittedly sheer blinding speed in the lower teams. A little bit foolish in hindsight to overlook his many on-track misadventures, yes...
Nibody un F1 wanted him. He reminds me of Andre De Ceasaris or De crasherese as he became known. He just cannot get his brain in front of his right foot.
Grosjean is an enigma. I 'followed' his career from his first GP2 stint up till now. Speed was never his problem, but he always had these very weird rookie-accidents time and time again. It just seemed he black out at time or just wasn't driving with his eyes open. Remember him shoving Webber out of the way in Turn 1 suzuka? That was batshit insane. Amazingly, when he got the big accident, people tend to look at him more favouribly. Why? He almost killed himself, he and him alone was responsible for that big accident. It was just another typical bonehead Grosjean move and he got a test drive at Mercedes out of it. The only reason he was in F1 for that long was because he was French and the only reason he stayed in F1 was his experience which was the only reason he got into indycar. He will never ever learn.
Wasn’t the Bahrain crash caused by someone going across his nose?
@@asherwiggin6456he went across kvyat’s nose
@@dannysatch6120 I see. Just went back and watched it. Thanks for clarifying
He has zero spacial awareness nor racecraft
Racing can be an unforgiving, brutal sport.
He’s only a few months removed from being a favorite for the Indycar title to struggling to find a ride.
Brutal, brutal, sport.
His career in Indy perfectly resembles his career in f1. Great start in the beginning but continued unforced errors and crashes lead him out the door
Im sure hes just happy to be alive
Grosjean: I think Ericsson hit us
Ericsson: yeah boi hit yo career 😂
To be honest, recently, Andretti Autosport is where promising careers go to die.
He's got talent for sure but the temperament isn't there and never has been.
If team Andretti had managed a proper race strategy like Chip Ganassi did Romain would have finished certainly with a chance of a podium. Instead they pitted him just after he took the lead and after every other team had topped off on fuel. They crucified his race.
Michael Andretti doesn’t manage his drivers very well at all. I mean when did Herta last win a race?
Can't wait for Pruett to release details on the breakdown in the relationship with Andretti.
If you can take the heat in the barrier you can take the heat in a one make open wheeler series in Murica.
I fucking loved him at Lotus. Mad driver and very fast when he managed to navigate the field.
6:17 “The Romain-ing rounds of the season . . . “
Nice.
This is the way he drives. How many cars did he destroy in F1? Regardless of how fast you can be.....you can't be destroying cars every other race.
I find the personalities of IRL kinda annoying-they are in very similar cars and they are all aggressive but get so upset, throw tantrums and then hold grudges making threats like some Busch league. Will Power one race is like I don’t care what people do,I just love being out here and next race freaking out-like a high school drama scene-Romain is at least interesting in his follies-he has big temper but isn’t usually threatening to use his car as a weapon against anyone-granted he kinda does it anyway but still
As an American who exclusively watches F1, I hope Romain is able to keep driving in Indy car. Solely so I can say, “Good for him.” on the off chance he gets a race win… just like I got to say for Erikson a couple years ago.
Marshall Pruett says Stingray has a suitcase full of money so he'll end up somewhere.
4:40. its 10 to 4am and everywhere is quieter than the proverbial church mouse. so, having just taken a sip of very expensive coffee you made your comment "actually, never mind that." for some strange unknown reason i found this extremely funny, which resulted in me spitting out my expensive coffee all over my laptop screen (there wasnt a lot of coffee to be fair). so thank you for making me laugh so hard i think i might have woken my next door neighbour!
A race car driver that can't handle the slightest amount of pressure or he's gonna bin it. I loved his driving out of the gate for Lotus...and kept being a fan and kept making excuses until I finally had to admit that this guy just didn't have it. My turning point was him careening deliberately into Rahal last year. It's a shame - there was some legitimate speed there. But without mental discipline that speed becomes moot. He will never win a top tier series race. Retire and spend time with your family, man.
Having never watched Indy, can't really comment on his career there, so this vid was informative there.
But as an avid F1 fan, I've watched his entire career there, where in his first career, he was fast but dangerous and in his 2nd career, he was still fast but lacked that consistency.
He joined the Haas team hoping to use that as a stepping stone into Ferrari, due to their connections but similarly he never really had the luck when the Haas actually looked competitive and as the years ticked by, the car just got worse.
So overall, he was never my favourite driver but his obvious speed meant i wished he got a chance higher up the grid but his bad luck combined with lack of consistency/concentration meant he was always overlooked.
The biggest surprise for me, was learning his replacement, though in fairness younger driver, of Ericsson, as his career in F1 was short, backed mainly by investment, as he was slow, often beaten by his teammates and u would easily have rated Romain over him, atleast in his younger F1 days.
I haven't heard much nois about how Bahrain crash was caused by the same bullshit he pulled the whole season, suddenly changing the "lanes" right in front of other cars.
He was always accident prone but DTS had a really negative effect on his career
Oh Boy DX Music! Brings back memories. Gotta replay
As a Grosjean fan who was at the St Pete race, I am still gutted that he got taken out. He would’ve won otherwise.
I haven’t been more sad all year. At times he’s been desperately unlucky this year. Other times he’s been awesome. Sometimes he’s been pretty meh. And at times he’s been romain goeswrong
Well I dont really care about his Indy Career. I want to see him getting good results in WEC with Lamborghini and hopefully being as competetive as Ferrari in their first Season.
He could be in IMSA instead of WEC as he has experience there and in America in general with Indycar, but I think there is probably not a high chance of Lambo being as competitive in 2024 as Ferrari in 2023, not to mention the experience the current teams on the grid will have over Iron Lynx with the SC63, if they are not far away, they will be doing pretty well.
Not sure why Dale Coyne would need Grosjean, unless he brings money. I really enjoyed following Roman in the F1 aftermath and finding enjoyment in racing via Indycar, but it turns out he just doesn't seem that impressive as a driver.
Amazed that Ericsson has done a better job in Indycar than Grosjean
This is equally Andretti and romains fault
Yep, agreed, the wheels for Romain finally fell off at Road America, my thought too.
Shame about Grosjean, but he never seemed to handle pressure that well. Dale might take him back, but he needs to bring funding to get a ride at DCR. Off topic, I heard that Chip was looking for a pay driver for the 8 car - both DeFrancesco and Sting Ray were rumored to be able to bring enough funding for that particular ride...
The 8 car is taken by Linus lundqvist next year
As Deff Leppard wrote: "It's better to burnt out than fade away"
Niel Young - “Hey Hey, My My”
I'm honestly baffled as to why any team would've picked up Grosjean after his F1 career.
He was most we'll known for moving around under braking and on the straights with minimal awareness of who was around him, and dangerously cutting off other drivers.
Very glad he came out of the fire at Abu Dhabi (basically) unharmed, but it was a classic Grosjean darting around the track on the straight that caused the incident. He clipped the front of a Williams that he clearly didn't know was there.
It's just baffling to me why serious race teams in the US would pick him up after watching this go on for years & years
He's never been able to cope with pressure, whenever he's been in a quick car and there are expectations he starts falling apart on track and getting emotional off track.