Bose S1 Pro with EV ELX200-12SP Subwoofer VS Bose Sub 1 - Best Sounding Portable PA Micro System
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
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Electro-Voice ELX200-12SP 12 inch Powered Subwoofer www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...
We used these at an outdoor event in August. (2 ELX200 subs) paired with the ELX 12p's for the tops. These little subs ROCKED, DUDE!! 250 people and dancing/partying all night. We were on a wooden platform stage about 10 inches high which may have helped enhance the bass frequencies a little. No, obviously they didn't perform like 18's would have. But there was plenty enough punchy bass from these little 12" gems to keep the attendants dancing right to the end. I always believed anything under 15" for a subwoofer simply wasn't worth it. After just one gig the ELX200's my mind has changed forever. Again, outdoor gig, crowd of 250 (or more), 2 12 inch subs, sound was close to perfect with plenty of bass output to keep everyone happy.
Incredible! Price has gone up to $800 each. Demand must be high.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz July 2023 $899!
Since making this video I did purchase the Bose Sub1. Very impressed by its performance, thin form factor and class leading light weight at 35.5lbs! Hands down the best live sound sub if weight is your #1 consideration. At $800 a little more than the EV. Many DJs like the look of all Bose products. I would say their performance is equal. EV still wins because of the wonderful Bluetooth App control!
For those wanting to go to the next step up in bass performance look at the similar EV ELX200-18. Lightest 18" sub out there! At 64lbs too heavy for me. At $850 only $150 more than the 12". Tempted to use the 15% off GC coupon. Uses the same amp but goes louder to 132db vs 129dB of the 12".
Thanks for your showing us your setup. I like the idea of having a battery powered sub. Which model of ExpertPower generator are you using? Are you currently using this setup. If so, do you have any comments about using this setup in your recent events?
I’m looking for a very small compact and lightweight sub for live music and the EV ELX200-12sp and Bose Sub1 are at the top of my list. Which of these would you recommend for live music?
Another important advantage of the Bose S1 Pro: It has a dispersion of 120 degrees. A typical point and shoot 12 inch speaker covers only 75 degrees. My best speaker the QSC K8.2 has only 105 degrees. What this means is that the Bose will cover a larger audience space, especially with one speaker.
@@maxxleonard9399 I have never tried it but I am almost certain it should work. The Sub1 on its side is very stable and the K8.2 is not very heavy. K8.2/Sub1 is an incredible combination!
I'm considering getting this sub to pair with my EV30M's for a little extra boom. Think they will be good together?
I have deejayed probably over 150 weddings outside without using any sub at all. Just a pair of 12" powered Alto speakers (Back over 10 years ago I used 15" JBL JRX passive speakers). I sold my 18" JBL JSUB a long, long time ago. I currently only use a 12" Alto TSUB212S subwoofer, and it is plenty of punchy bass for weddings. I only bring out the Sub if the wedding is in a BIG ROOM with 140+ attendees. 18" Subs are not needed unless you are doing big events with 350+ like a high school prom or homecoming dance or perhaps a big college event. Just my opinion after deejaying for 22 years.
I've never DJed so thanks for the real world experience! I play electronic drums so a 12" sub is the minimum I would use to get a realistic kick drum sound.
Dang, this sub is now selling for $900. The prices for pa equipment has easily gone up 20-30% in the last 2 years.
I forgot to mention the EV App also has a limiter indicator. Again from 30' away you can back it off if it starts to clip, no more looking for that red blinking light behind the speaker like the Bose Sub1/2.
Why don’t you use crossover on the bose? I have a similar setup but have the older zxa1 subs. I make sure to plug in to the subs first and then to the tops with a crossover of 100hz. It puts less stress on your bose s1 and you won’t get any distortion unless you are clipping
I know about going into the sub first but you lose the Bluetooth capability of the Bose which I don't want to give up.
I'm confused whether it's better to buy Electro-Voice EV200 or Bose Sub1 - I have 2x Bose S1 Pro, and for larger events RCF 422 (1x12' and 2' driver - these are great!!! SPL 128dB)
Will Electro-Voice be able to cut off the low Hz so that the Bose S1 Pro doesn't play with the lowest bass???
Hi, did you try using the XLR Bluetooth adapter to cast music source to the sub1? I wonder would that work?
Good idea, I'll try that.
Forgot to mention the fact that the Expert Power, power station has three AC outlets. This is critical for other devices like a mixer. The Jackery 500 which is more powerful at 500 watts has only one AC input. Deal Breaker for me!
Great stuff
Wondering A year later what are your thoughts? Are these 2 subs still the leaders for the mini system? I'm leaning more toward the EV for use with by S1Pro and Turbosound 300. I also have a Evolve 50 which would probably sound dynamite with the EV sub added to it. I agree 100% on having an app for the device. I'd rather not carry the extra 10 pounds but sometimes the bose "magic" is a little too specific for a particular sound. That is not always what I'm looking for. The EV seems to have a more realistic bass projection. I like the mass of the 12" driver for moving more air than the ractrack.
Cheers
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, these are still the top lightweight subs on the market. Bose Sub1 is lighter and has that thin profile. Advantage of the Sub1 with the S1Pro is you have the automatic high pass filter setting that matches up. Personally I don't hear a huge difference. The EV is a louder sub and has that Club Mode that really thumps! I pair the EV ELX sub with my EV30 and it is great running everything off the one App! Between the two, EV is the superior sub.
Forgot to mention another sub I own and have never reviewed. RCF 702 same weight as EV 42Lbs. Really thumps! 129dB slightly louder than EV but $200 more at $1,100. Only downside, no App.
The s1pros battery life is half of what's advertised should I contact the consumer affairs bureau or let bose attempt to send new batteries it's quite obvious they cut corners in production and bought batteries with a half life of 11 hours 🤔since it's not just one speaker but 2 bought 3 days apart from one another and the serial numbers are different by about 50k so I know it's definitely a production issue
@@robertg6425 When they came out there were know battery issues. I contacted Bose and they sent me a new battery, but that was a long time ago. Make sure you do the latest Firmware updates. Definitely contact Bose Customer Service.
hi, nice review. i was looking to buy padded cover for my elx 12sp sub, only available in my area is zxa1 sub cover, do you think if zlxa1 sub padded cover will fit elx-200 12sp subwoofer? thanks
Sorry, not sure.
I showed the connection using a 1/4" TRS to XLR male cable. I should have said I use that cable for the more secure connection of the XLR side.
The more common 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS cable would sound the same.
Some more critical Specs: The frequency response of the Bose S1Pro goes down to 62Hz on the low end. Adding this subwoofer the frequency response now extends down to 40 Hz. These missing low end frequencies make a huge difference! Adding a sub creates a full range system.
Hello, nice video! You could also use the input on the subwoofer and connect the ELX200sp's output to the Bose, taking advantage of the Electro-Voice crossover. That way you would release the bass load on the Bose S1, it would sound louder and even the battery would last longer. And that's not to mention that by using the built-in crossover you would avoid overlapping the crossover point of the frequencies, obtaining a flatter sound. Likewise, the system would be super compact, you would only lose the bluetooth transmission.
@@tortugacastro Thanks for your reply and compliment! I did try it that way, definitive improvements like you describe but don't think the advantages are worth losing Bluetooth capability.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Ok, just my 2 cents. I have the same little sub, and it´s awesome, love it.
I've been thinking about buying this exact subwoofer for my S1 Pro. This EV sub is quite powerful and very flexible hence it's dsp and has a very small footprint for what it offers.
What worries me with this setup is that I don't see any way to keep away the low frequencies from the S1 Pro without using a separate mixer. As far as I read, the output of the sub as well as the S1 pro is always unfiltered. Or maybe I've missed something in the video..
You're correct it doesn't have a high pass filter. If you want that go with the Bose Sub1. I tried playing the S1 Pro with Sub1/High pass filter and didn't hear a huge difference. In my opinion EV is the higher performing sub.
What a shame. If we just had a low cut on the S1 everything would be fine. Actually I letting S1 play full range along with a subwoofer is not an option. I need a low cut filter, because I'd like to use the system with my elctronic drum kit and the S1 struggles a lot with the low impact of the kick drum. It sounds really distorted even on the low volumes I'm aiming for. So I somehow need to protect it so it can shine in the higher frequencies.
@@mannikj2324 I also play electronic drums and the S1Pro is not the best for that application. Only thing you can do is cut the bass EQ on the S1 to zero.
A QSC CP8 has three or four times the power and has a DSP setting that high passes to sub. CP8 with sub is an incredible electronic drum rig! Sorry trying to get you to spend more $$$.
Bill. I know that you can set the crossover/ high pass on the EV. Can you do the same on the Bose Sub1/2?
Not 100% sure. Sub1/2 has a Line Out HPF setting but not sure if that works only with Bose products. Best to pose the question on the Bose Facebook Forum or better call Bose tech support. facebook.com/groups/BoseL1
Does anyone know if its possible to make a subwoofer using Bose Sub1 into the TX312 ALTO PA speaker...just wanted to get an insight for those who are familiar with this...Thanks
Yes, you can go into the sub first then out to the Alto. You can also run the sub from the XLR out of the Alto. Adding the sub will really transform the performance of that speaker!
I read that EV does not have High Pass Filter, is that true? For me it is really important this function
True it does not, people looking for High Pass Filter usually go with the RCF 702 or 705. I have the 702. A great sub but missing the EV App feature I love!
Hi bill. Can I use the prx812 (48 pounds) above the ELx200 12sp with a pole? Isn’t it a lot of weight?
Will probably work with a heavy duty pole but I wouldn't feel comfortable, could tip over because of top heavy JBL.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks a lot my friend! I’m thinking to change my jbl and buy the Qsc k10.2
In your experience what sounds better? The EV ELX 200sp or the Bose Sub 1?
Go with Sub1 if you have a Bose S1Pro because it has a special High Pass Filter function that matches up. If you get two Sub1s in the future it can play in Cardiod Mode. Also go with Sub1 if you might get the Bose Pro32 in the future. Go with Bose if the larger and heavier EV is a factor. Bose 36lb/EV 42lb.
If not, all other applications the EV ELX 200-12sp is the higher performing subwoofer. It has 600 watts vs Bose 480 watts. 129dB max vs Bose 124dB. 5dB difference is noticeable. EV has Bluetooth App control which I love! Control gain/Low Pass Filter from across the venue, save scenes, and has a Club Mode that really thumps! Both great subs.
For a little more money might also want to look at RCF 702 sub.
I like this setup. This should be ok for background music at relatively low volumes. This is because the Bose S1 Pro speaker on has a Maximum SPL of only
103 dB. I think that there are better options for battery powered speakers that can be played at a higher SPL.
Actually not many battery choices louder than S1Pro: JBL Compact - about the same volume, Mackie Thump Go - a little louder, JBL Eon MK2 much larger, heavier and $1,200. Yorkville EXM 8- supposed to be louder but I never heard it. Do you know of any others?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz You're right, there aren't that many options for battery powered speakers for higher spls. I've seen excellent reviews of the Yorkville EMX Mobile 8 (117dB Cont, 123dB Peak). Yorkville also has a battery powered sub. The Maui 5 Go (120db max) also has great reviews by DJs.
@@Guachum Yorkville EXM Mobile 8 Dealbreaker for me, it does not have a user replaceable battery. It is also the most expensive at $720. What happens when the battery goes? Do you have to ship it back to Canada? If you need small form factor and high dB's QSC CP8 is only $480 at 124dB and runs very efficiently off a small external power source.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I wouldn't pick the Yorkville either. However, instead of the QSC CP8, I would go for the EV Za1 (123dB) speaker for around $550. I believe it has a more balanced sound and it's better for vocals than the CP8. Which lithium power source would be a good option for just one small speaker like the CP8?
It's better to use the EV ELX200 with the EV Everse 8. That's an amazing combo.
thats exactly what i use right now. ELX200 12in + Everse 8 as my monitor. Currently on 10in krk studio monitor but definitely looking into the EV subwoofer once i get a few gigs going .
What's the crowd capacity (a party) you think this set up is good for?. I already have a S1 Pro and shopping around for a Sub that will be good for up to 100 ppl.
The S1 Pro will clip/distort way before the 129dB EV Sub. S1Pro max volume is 109dB and I hear harshness at about 105dB. I have never tried it but Bose rates the S1Pro up to 50 people. Adding a powerful sub like this will probably push it to 75 people. For 100 people you will most likely need a second S1Pro.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thank you! I'm all new to this sound thing so I'm learning alot watching your videos I appreciate the work you put in💪. I was looking at the Sub2 yesterday, what you think about it with 2 S1 pro?
@@danedixon93 Thanks for the compliment! The Sub2 is incredible if you don't mind the extra weight and size. If you appreciate super low end- think rap or electronic music the Sub2 is the ultimate pairing with two S1Pros. In a home or small space it shakes the walls and hits you in the gut. Have you seen this video? ruclips.net/video/gldnIZV7hjA/видео.html What is your application? Keep in mind S1pros have great fidelity up to 75 people max. After that they will start to clip/get harsh when pushed near 105dB. If money is a factor Sub1 is very impressive also, just not in the same league of the Sub2. Glad to help with any more questions.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Yes, I remember that video. I mostly will be Djing Reggae, Afro beats and soca music which I think the Sub2 would be perfect.
@@danedixon93 Anything with percussion, Sub2 is the way to go!
Great video. How would it sound outside with a 18 sub? Would it be enough for crowds of up to 200-300 people outdoors? The S1 pro sounds great. Just not sure to purchase
Thanks for the compliment. An 18 inch sub outside is the way to go! The S1 Pro is rated by Bose for only 50 people. That's for inside, outside is even more challenging. You will need the Bose Pro32/Sub2 for crowds of that size outside.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Bose L1 Pro32 + sub2 is good but for the same money.. you get SRX828SP! Also, weighs just 10kg extra than dual sub2.. now that's very much portable! Also, -10db, 29hz!!!!!! That's very great low end, compared to 37hz sub2.
Maybe Bose L1 Pro32 + SRX828SP is good choice, if portability is major concern. Sub2 is not good. Pro32 has great coverage, but that unit continuously being exposed to dust scares me the most. I'm not a fan of dust, it kills electronics! I prefer the BRX300.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz well, I have changed the way how I purchase gear..trust me.. it's worth it.. it will help you save money, help you select better gear, etc..
Try this
1. Compare, price, value for money
Eg: 4x Bose Sub2 (25kg x 4, that's no longer portable).. just 1x JBL SRX828SP for less price, also less weight.. will be far more economical. + More performance + better DSP! Etc! Just 1500W power consumption!!!! That's even better! With 4x sub2, it would had been 4000w power consumption!
2. Application
Why I need this? Does it hit lows? Hit hard at max volume during compression? Etc etc
Etc etc..
@@WWeiss-nv5vz 21:08 at 0db you lose low end! As it enters into compression.. all subs and sats do! If you need low bass, eg 29hz or below or which the specs states.. you need to be at -10db.. especially indoors.. audience loves low bass.. specially the current generation!
@@josealfredfernandes Thanks!
Hi, are you saying you can't control the Sub2 using the app via Bluetooth?
Sub2 does not have Bluetooth App control. The Pro32 array/mixer does have App control. On the positive side you can upgrade the firmware on the Sub2.
Got it, thanks my man!
S1 pro could reached perfection if it only had a sub out (low pass frequency output)
S1Pro has been out four years. Ready for a Bose S2Pro. Hope Bose takes your suggestion.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz it already has Bluetooth, it also has a 1/4 output, so could it be possible that a software upgrade would do the trick?
@@vmontalvo5591 Good idea! Hope Bose reads these posts.
Yorkville now has a battery powered subwoofer .
I've seen it. 100 watt cont. 175 watt peak, 116 dB, 47Hz The 175 watt peak, 100 watt cont. is very weak compared to EV which puts out 600 watts cont. and goes down to 40Hz. EV or Bose can be run on an external battery. I wouldn't spend my money on it.
I have 2 s1pro speakers they are advertised as up to 11 hours of continuous use on a charge but for some reason I'm only getting 4.5 hours of use, does anyone know what the problem is or should I contact BOSE 🤔
I only use mine for about 4 hours max at a time for karaoke gigs. But maybe I should test how long they "actually " last continuously.
At what volume are you using? I will copy that setting, and test both of mine with a full charge.
I would think bose would take care of you, if they do advertise 11 hours, and you are only getting half that.
Do you have volume on high? As will draw more current
I’ve heard Fbt makes a great 12inch subwoofer
Agree, but nothing in this weight range of 42 lbs. Its 53 lbs $1,200.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz yes expensive
Price drop. EV ELX 12-SP sub now $800. At $100 less than the Sub1, the EV ELX 12-SP subwoofer is more powerful than the Sub1 but 6 pounds heavier.
The cheap mic I'm using from my iPad doesn't pick up the bass. In person the bass is slamming!
Hate to say I told you so, when I made this video the EV sub was on sale for $650. Then it went back up to $700. Now it has jumped to $900 the same price as the Bose Sub1! I told you so.
For a Microsystem, $700 to $800 is a lot of money to spend on a subwoofer. You can buy a Harbinger S12 Compact Sub which is 400-watts RMS, 1,000W Peak, 130dB Max SPL on sale right now for $299.99. Harbinger was junk 10 years ago, but they have stepped their game up A LOT. Can buy a 3 year protection plan for under $100 on it just in case it gets damaged at some point. Return it, and get a brand new one in return if something happens to it. I listened to it. It's a solid bass sound for a 12" sub. Or, buy the Alto TS212S Subwoofer. Only weighs about 44.5 lbs and that one cost $399. Only problem is, it's backordered at most places at the moment. It's a popular sub.
@@djrickyb Thanks for the heads up! I was looking for reasonably priced subs to match with under $500 tops. The most popular with the most reviews is the Behringer B1200 12" at $330. I'll look into the Alto and Harbinger lines.
Right? And the zxA1 have increased by $150 too. I was looking at them as well as these.
Yorkville exm sub
EXM sub is one of the first battery subs on the market, but it is very weak at only 100 watts. It is also expensive, Not in the same league as the 480 watt Bose Sub1 or the 600 watt EV EXL200.
Just a suggestion. I get your idea of just reading spec's, but it can be misleading on your outcome. I had the second version of the Bose Lt1 until I opted to get a QSC rig which I used from 2010 to the present when I purchased the updated LT1 Pro 32 with a Sub2 and have been presently surprised on the performance! Even though the Bose has a 480watt rating, its SPL is rated 2 points below my QSC's and RCF's at 128. Everyone was amazed for the size of my "new" rig and the sound quality and the distance and fidelity it had outside. I understand wanting to get a many people to spend time to watch you videos, but you will loose viewers with baseless assumptions....
Thanks for your feedback. I too have the Pro32/Sub2 and agree it is amazing! Total watt rating is 1,480 with the sub. I agree 130dB vs 128 dB would not be a very noticeable difference. Not many people have the option of A/Bing these systems in a store so pointing out specs is a valid way to compare. My goal is not to get as many people watching videos. I'm doing this for my own fun and maybe helping a newbie who knows nothing about speakers narrow down their choices. Maybe you can clarify, What were the baseless assumptions you are referring to? Thanks again.