World's First Mass-Produced Automatic Transmission - Part 4 - Hydraulic Components and Control

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024

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  • @PETERLINNAH
    @PETERLINNAH 6 лет назад +5

    I love these detailed explanations and demonstrations.

  • @RD2564
    @RD2564 6 лет назад +4

    Fascinating technology. The team that designed this system, Thompson, Kelley and the rest, were brilliant guys. The whole package speaks to the manufacturing prowess that GM had in the 40's and 50's as well.

    • @krusher74
      @krusher74 3 года назад

      yeah its mind-boggling to try to think of designing that, i guess they took it one step at a time.

  • @randallhipwell4835
    @randallhipwell4835 Год назад

    this video series is a gold mine. Thank you so much!

  • @s2meister
    @s2meister 7 лет назад +8

    Still want you guys to do the same for a Model T trans. Possibly one of the most misunderstood transmissions of all time. And quite fun to work on.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад +3

      That is a great idea! Thanks for the feedback

    • @Wiencourager
      @Wiencourager 2 месяца назад

      The model t transmission has a lot of internal parts that don’t look much different than some on this hydramatic.drums and bands and clutch pack.

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman 6 лет назад +5

    Ehete was that video 35 years ago? Lol. I remember my dad rebuilding a transmission on our kitchen table. It was in the middle of the winter and he kept it on the bathroom floor until he got the parts to rebuild it. It was for an Oldsmobile. I was very fascinated and my mom was very,very unhappy. There was tranny fluid everywhere. That being said,I never rebuilt one myself. I found it easier to pay someone more skilled at doing the job and having the proper tools. I have done engine rebuilds and more swaps than I care to admit but hey,I was young and thats what us guys did on the weekends.

  • @samspina3249
    @samspina3249 7 лет назад +27

    Im a freshman mechanical engineering student and I have learned more in this series than the entire year of schooling thus far. Thank you so much!

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад +5

      Thank you, I am glad it has been helpful for you!

    • @jamesscherbenske5985
      @jamesscherbenske5985 6 лет назад +2

      WeberAuto that's cuz nowadays everything is turned to s*** including education son

  • @daviddavis5689
    @daviddavis5689 3 года назад +1

    Like old Graflex cameras ; mechanical marvels.
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  • @Darkterror12341
    @Darkterror12341 7 лет назад +10

    It's great to watch you, someone who has passion. Can't wait to see more.

  • @DEW409
    @DEW409 7 лет назад +3

    Interesting. The oldest hydramatic I have driven was a 1961 dual coupling version my mother's old Cadillac. The 1-2 shift was super smooth as it was controlled by the filling of the second coupling, as was the 3/4 shift. You could feel the 2/3 shift a little because it was done with the clutches. We had the car for many years and over 100,000 miles. They transmission performed perfectly all this time with no repairs whatsoever. The 390 Cadillac engine also had no internal parts replaced and ran as smooth as new with no increase in oil consumption. Car had every option, a/c, 8 power windows, 6 way seat, power antenna, door locks, electric trunk release and power closer, power antenna, auto light dimmer, wonder bar radio, all in 1961. That big Fleetwood could lay some rubber too, with that 4 spud. trans.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      Very cool story! Thank you for sharing. I hope to get a dual coupling transmission soon and explore it as well. Have a good day.

  • @ericd385
    @ericd385 7 лет назад +7

    very nice job as always. i'm a professional technician with over 20 years on the job, and i usually end up picking up more then a thing or two on every one of your videos. please keep them coming!

  • @markemanuele1929
    @markemanuele1929 3 года назад +3

    WOW! This REALLY was a mechanical analog computer.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад +1

      Cool stuff! Thanks for watching

  • @elora2525
    @elora2525 4 года назад +2

    I didn't know there was people who found automatic transmission fascinating

  • @sheemondallasgeorgia
    @sheemondallasgeorgia 3 года назад +2

    Just think kids: This was designed and built, in huge numbers, with no automation, not even a calculator to do a square root, all drafting done by hand on paper, all machining set up by hand.
    Take a metal working class, no CNC, no, CAD, no CAM to machine it at 0.001" accuracy, with almost no fitting!
    The human mind, and the human hand!

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад +1

      Amazing technology!

  • @haywardsautomotive6156
    @haywardsautomotive6156 7 лет назад +6

    It's amazing how long the original design has been around and evolved into what they were before electronic transmissions. Bet your glad you kept that fixture around b/c that's a heavy transmission to be wrestling around. Great video and I enjoy the knowledge & enthusiasm you bring about automotive history.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад +4

      Yes, that fixture was wonderful to have. Thank you for your kind words! I think it is fun to explore both old and new automotive technologies! Have a good day!

  • @agtpony
    @agtpony 3 года назад +2

    Transmissions are alien technology, that's why they're shaped like pyramids when they're standing up on end....

  • @ojofelixnm3608
    @ojofelixnm3608 6 лет назад +5

    Enjoyed your presentation so much sir. I would enjoy being a student using that facility and listening to instructors like you. Takes me back sixty six years to my dad's 47 Oldsmobile torpedo body sedan with that transmission. My friends picked there dates up in nice new vehicles, and Hosteen here picked his date up in that tank of a vehicle with a flat head six engine. The thing had to weigh more than two tons. There weren't many second dates for sure. The transmission was almost as big as the engine. Had to pull the passenger side floor mat back and remove a cover to access the dipstick and you could always smell hot oil vapor coming through the vent. I have always had it in my head that when you started forward, instead of the rear squatting, the thing actually tried to rise up on the suspspension like a bullfrog before it moved off. On a Saturday in 1952, I cajoled my dad into installing new brake bands with turned drums because the original friction material was long gone. My first date. Picked her up and headed down US-66 toward town. The Olds began to slow down and smoke was rolling out of all four wheel wells. Brakes adjusted too tight. Had to call dad who caught a city bus and came down and backed the shoes off. Took dad home and took date home. That was that. That freshman girl had told all her friends about what happened and Monday morning I was the laughing stock of the high school.Doesn't seem like much now, but when I was sixteen it seemed like the seven vials of the apocalypse had been spilled. Like your in depth presentations.Regards to you sir.

    • @ojofelixnm3608
      @ojofelixnm3608 6 лет назад +2

      What you see there is a man who likes what he is doing. That was how I felt in my years of power generation maintenance.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад +2

      Awesome story! Thank you for sharing

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад +2

      Thank you

  • @khursheedanwar1436
    @khursheedanwar1436 7 лет назад +1

    Best Sar

  • @khursheedanwar1436
    @khursheedanwar1436 7 лет назад

    Best Sar

  • @danielboix7973
    @danielboix7973 7 лет назад +2

    Amazing! In my country nowaday we use manual gear box mostly. Of course, in Spain in the 40's the people thought this kind of gear box probably comes from out space.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      Thanks for your feedback!

  • @justcallmejohn2833
    @justcallmejohn2833 5 лет назад +2

    My dad had a Pontiac dealership years ago and we had some of these tools and I didn’t know what they were for!

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  5 лет назад

      Awesome! I was very pleased to find them

  • @zappatx
    @zappatx 3 года назад +2

    Amazing engineering. Thinking about a 41 Cadillac with one. I can certainly understand your passion on this interesting subject. Thank you for all this research!

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much

  • @w0ffe
    @w0ffe 7 лет назад +2

    Might already have been linked elsewhere, but here's the 1943 US War Department Technical Manual for the Hydra-Matic as it was used in the M-5 light tank: archive.org/details/TM9-1727C-nsia

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      Thank you. I have that manual, but forgot to mention it in this series. I see on eBay you can still purchase brand new old stock 1943 Hydra-Matic for the M5 tanks. www.ebay.com/itm/Tank-M5-M5A1-Stuart-M8-HMC-Transmission-Hydromatic-General-Motors-NOS-G103-G127-/182357560886?hash=item2a755b8e36:g:eQQAAOSwcLxYLiQx&vxp=mtr

  • @gregorymalchuk272
    @gregorymalchuk272 2 месяца назад

    This whole series is fascinating. How exactly does the variable displacement vane pump "decide" how much eccentricity the housings should have relative to the vane rotor shaft? Does it have a spring/diaphragm regulator that regulates based on line pressure?

  • @peterzpictstube
    @peterzpictstube 6 лет назад +2

    Back when Cadillac live up to the World Standard motto. Sad what GM made it into.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад

      True! Thanks for your feedback

    • @justcallmejohn2833
      @justcallmejohn2833 5 лет назад

      Maybe someday people will know what we lost.

    • @johnsaum1260
      @johnsaum1260 4 года назад

      Oddly enough, olds got the first hydro! Then buick did the dyna flow. Caddy just picked the best one!

  • @avidkayaker3187
    @avidkayaker3187 7 лет назад +1

    Nice job, missed the weight of the hydra-matic?

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      Thank you! Good question. I do not know. I will see if I can weigh it.

    • @kennethnevel3263
      @kennethnevel3263 3 года назад

      Very heavy .

  • @ojofelixnm3608
    @ojofelixnm3608 6 лет назад +1

    Is that a Toyota 1MZ-FE V6 back of you on an engine stand?

  • @donberg01
    @donberg01 7 лет назад +1

    Is the governor valve similar to an hydraulic shuttle valve?

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      No, it has a valve(s) that changes position relative to centripetal force. The changing position changes the fluid pressure verses vehicle speed.

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 5 лет назад +1

    Alot of things have been around ALOT longer than most ppl think! We haven't came as far as we like to think. We just use old tec in new ways. It's like carrying cinderblocks all day, you may start carrying 4 per trip.at the end of the day you are slowly carrying 1 per trip! That's how we use tech, smaller bits of new, piled on with alot of old!

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  5 лет назад

      Very True, thanks for your feedback

  • @jeffl.oliverson6690
    @jeffl.oliverson6690 6 лет назад +2

    Good day, I am enjoying this video series as I have a 1954 GMC truck with the Hydra-Matic transmission. I live in Sandy, Ut. I was wondering if by chance as a project, your students might want to rebuild my Transmission as I am going through a complete restoration project of my truck and I want to keep it as original as possible. If this is something that would be of interest, please let me know. I would be happy to buy all parts necessary as well.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад +1

      Hello Jeff, Thank you for the offer, that would be an amazing project. Personally, I am fascinated by these older transmissions and their technology. Unfortunately we do not have the time for it with our current transmission curriculum. Obviously we need to concentrate on modern technology. Best wishes!

    • @dalegribble60
      @dalegribble60 5 лет назад

      @@WeberAuto Rats! Now who is going to do my '54 Pontiac's hydra?

    • @julioparra3113
      @julioparra3113 5 лет назад

      @@dalegribble60 East LA, 4th st and the 10 fwy is a transmission shop right on the corner....

  • @brianbranson2306
    @brianbranson2306 3 года назад +1

    im afraid all this stuff will become paper weights, because no one can get seals and gasket sets, unless some rich guy fronts the money to have em repoped.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад +1

      Caddydaddy website sells them. Thanks for watching

    • @brianbranson2306
      @brianbranson2306 3 года назад +1

      @@WeberAuto aware of them, lots of times the civi is just far enough from the military version that it doesn't work. the water pump on the cadi is a prime example.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад +1

      @@brianbranson2306 I understand. That is a problem

  • @pablopicaro7649
    @pablopicaro7649 3 года назад

    Happy New year 2021 - incredible technology for 1940.

  • @jeffl.oliverson6690
    @jeffl.oliverson6690 6 лет назад +1

    No problem, I will tackle it myself and use yours as well as a couple others on RUclips as references. Thanks

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад

      I am happy to offer technical advice as needed. My contact information is in the video description under "biography".

  • @alanmize5627
    @alanmize5627 2 года назад

    i am 73 and been working on trans for 55 yrs and never seen one apart, they were well engenered and well made.

  • @TheNomad1703
    @TheNomad1703 4 года назад

    Could you do a series on the 1950s military automatic trans missions in the m135 and m211 deuce and a half trucks?
    I think many people would find it very interesting, they used the hydra matic 301mg and 303m. these transmissions had a high and low range.

  • @Thatdavemarsh
    @Thatdavemarsh 3 года назад

    Why the choice of aluminum for the clutch parts? I’m asking halfway through so sorry if it’s covered later.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  3 года назад

      Good question, I suspect it is for weight savings, but I really do not know.

  • @mikealvarez187
    @mikealvarez187 7 лет назад +1

    thank you very good job saludos of Medellín Colombia 🔧🔧🔧

  • @sidecaronice
    @sidecaronice 6 лет назад +1

    thankyou for all the info,I just put one in my 56 chevy truck that came out of a 55 cameo,now I can adjust my bands yaaaah,

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад

      You are welcome! It sounds like a cool truck! Some of the later models only had one band to adjust or no band adjustments (they automatically adjusted). Best wishes!

    • @sidecaronice
      @sidecaronice 6 лет назад

      if you have a email I will send you a photo,,thankyou

  • @bryantwhitis1268
    @bryantwhitis1268 4 года назад

    Yes, Professor one of the great features on the hydramatic automatic transmission in case of emergency you could have another vehicle push start the vehicle that's why I like the transmission that particular feature and the fact no electronics all was so basic

  • @tapashdey5943
    @tapashdey5943 2 года назад

    Thank you very much for the great work you do.

  • @gotj
    @gotj 6 лет назад +1

    The best video ever. Thank you Sir.

  • @johnchadwicktilton
    @johnchadwicktilton 7 лет назад +1

    Awesome watching how the transmission evolved front that to what it is today. I have a special interest in watching this because my car has the transmission that came after this, it actually has Park., but I think the rest is pretty much the same as this transmission. I actually have a transmission manual that you could borrow if you ever wanted to see a detailed break down of this Transmission. The car that this belongs to is a 1956 Pontiac Star chief.

    • @johnchadwicktilton
      @johnchadwicktilton 7 лет назад +1

      I do have a couple of questions for you. 1 The Original Transmission fluid is almost impossible to find, a local Transmission shop close to me told me that the Classic Dexron Mercon III is an O.K. alternative to the original Transmission Fluid. Do you agree with that or is there a better option you might recommend?

    • @johnchadwicktilton
      @johnchadwicktilton 7 лет назад +1

      Question number (2 ). Where did you find the rebuild kit, and special tools for that Transmission? I have looked for an original transmission pan gasket and wound up making my own. The transmission pan gasket normally only comes as part of a complete kit.

    • @johnchadwicktilton
      @johnchadwicktilton 7 лет назад +2

      This question is a little off topic, but do you know if there was ever any type of Aftermarket Overdrive units offered on this type of transmission? I never thought it would work until I discovered ( through your video's) that the 4rth drive was actually a direct drive, I now think it may handle it, but am not sure if it is worth so much effort. I may actually take a closer look at my manual and make sure the number 4 gear is the same as this transmission. Learning a lot and enjoying the History Lesson.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад +2

      Thank you for your feedback. I may take you up on your offer in the future. According to what I have read, the next transmission after the original Hydra-Matic was the Controlled Coupling transmission (Oldsmobile named it the "Jetaway") I actually have one of the Jetaway transmissions on the way to our shop along with a few other historically important transmissions. I intend to explore them the same way I did this Hydra-Matic. I'll have a Buick Dynaflow, Chevrolet Powerglide, Oldsmobile Jetaway, and an Oldsmobile Roto Hydramatic to keep me busy for a while. I will post videos on each of them over the next year.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад +2

      According to the GM and SAE literature I have, any Dexron fluid, including Dexron VI that is used in today's transmissions, is backwards compatible with all GM transmissions back to 1937. in 1968, Dexron fluid replaced the previous Type A fluid your transmission originally used.

  • @harryconover289
    @harryconover289 2 года назад

    I have always considered Armetta transmissions before Black Magic just put in oil and they work the complexities of different clutches and steals an internal construction is much beyond my understanding level but I can only watch it for a while too much troops orb too fast

  • @dufondutrou
    @dufondutrou 6 лет назад +1

    weber as in weber state college in Utah?

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  6 лет назад

      Yes! Weber State university for the last 25 years

  • @paulaxford6754
    @paulaxford6754 7 лет назад +1

    I thought it might be good to explain why the rear pump works when in reverse.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      Hi, There is a shuttle valve in the valve body that prevents the front pump fluid from exhausting through the rear pump in reverse. I assume this means the rear pump pressure in reverse is very low or zero. What makes you think it works in reverse? Thanks for your feedback!

    • @paulaxford6754
      @paulaxford6754 7 лет назад +1

      No, I'm now aware of how it works, just that somehow it has to accommodate the scenario of reversing. Perhaps that shuttle opens the output side of the rear pump when the front pressure is higher and so just pulls air through in reverse. I was thinking the pump might even be insensitive to direction of rotation.

    • @WeberAuto
      @WeberAuto  7 лет назад

      I am pretty sure the front pump supplies all the fluid pressure needed for reverse. The only purpose of the rear pump is to supplement the front pump at times and allow for push starting the vehicle. Thanks again for your feedback!

    • @paulaxford6754
      @paulaxford6754 7 лет назад

      OK, thanks again for the videos ...

  • @geojor
    @geojor 7 лет назад +1

    always interesting, thank you ...

  • @farreltucker7466
    @farreltucker7466 2 года назад

    Well done, thanks.

  • @hamzalag2006
    @hamzalag2006 7 лет назад +2

    many thanks.

  • @PaulCTownsend
    @PaulCTownsend 7 лет назад +2

    GOOD JOB BUDDY

  • @destiladosdealambiquelyvidigal
    @destiladosdealambiquelyvidigal 7 лет назад +1

    very good job

  • @billyr9840
    @billyr9840 7 лет назад +1

    Nice !

  • @khursheedanwar1436
    @khursheedanwar1436 7 лет назад +1

    Best Sar