Yeah, BUT this pilot was a real dangerous doofus that flew one of the worst flights we ever saw. That brings out the passion in pilots, as these comments will attest to too. It's the principle of demanding of self and others as aviation and the sky demand that is the source of our DUE wrath, and immediate and shocked attention
Great analysis of this accident. You can clearly see the three attempts to take off on the video. If you are going to lie like that on an official NTSB investigation or any deception as a pilot you dont belong in the airplane. Your integrity and reputation in this community is everything.
Very fine presentation that emphasized exactly what should have been emphasized. Keep up the good work - I hope I get a chance to fly with you some day...
I hope Icon learns to have its pilot reps prioritize customer care and safety over ac sales, and I imagine it may tie to changing the sales incentive structure. Reps making decisions clearly in favor of customer safety is a good way to show that Icon itself emphasizes safety in its products and services.
Awesome analysis. Just got my cfi (your oral exam prep was priceless) and this is the kind of adm that I teach my students. Thank you for taking your time to provide these resources!
Wow, really great analysis. I was on the edge of my seat all the way to the end. Thank you so much for this invaluable information. Yes I have learned a lot…thanks to you! I am very sorry for the loss of your friend.
I fight confirmation bias, I learned to the hard way twice, once a back injury the second was Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and almost died. I learned to listen to that little voice every time.
Jon, WELL DONE SIR! BRAVO! I have watched a lot of your content, and many other notable aviation RUclipsr's content over the last few years. The amount of time and effort and HEART that you put into this particular video is clearly evident! (not that your others aren't equally as good!) My condolences for the loss of your friend, and the heartbreak this accident must have brought back considering the numerous similarities between the two. Many blessings to you sir for the time and effort you put into teaching us from other's mistakes in the hopes that it will keep us from making the same mistakes with catastrophic consequences. God Bless!
There are a LOT of life lessons in this excellent video thank you. I never compromise on my safety and my duty of safety to others. I have been a passenger in a friends sports car when he was driving really fast and aggressively and I was getting worried. I knew he'd laugh and keep going if I begged him to stop so I knew what WOULD make him stop. "I think Im gonna throw up, pull over quick" The prospect of vomit inside his precious car was too much and he hurriedly stopped. I got out, reached back in, grabbed my backpack, told him to carry on and that I was gonna get an Uber and bid him goodbye. I never spoke to him again. Another time I declined to go to a friends birthday party because the weather was blowing snow and icy roads. "Sorry, I cant come". Finally as a VFR-only private pilot I was gonna take 3 friends up in a Piper Warrior. They were so hyped to go. Even though it was just a VFR hop close by I didnt like the look of some dark looking clouds in the distance. This was during the preflight that I was staring at those clouds no doubt feeling some pressure to give my friends this ride they were looking forward to. They saw me putting the chocks back on the wheels, putting the pitot cover back on, cancelling the fuel request, unplugging my headset. "I'm sorry guys, those clouds worry me they have a habit of closing in fast" Being non pilots they protested "They are MILES away dude!" We all walked back to the FBO and after 30 minutes went to Taco Bell. We all sat down and then heard the loud crack of thunder and the skies opened in a deluge. It all went dark and misty, about 45 min later the field was IFR. Friends stared silently out the big windows at the rain driving down along with cloud-cloud lightning. The following week I saw the coolest message on my phone from one of those friends. She said "I'll fly with you anytime, thanks for what you did" If it doesn't feel right just walk away. It does not matter if you were wrong - you're alive!
Great video, as usual. You remind us there is never a little flight, and you d better be ready and have thought throught it before the take off. I must admit that I often skip the t/off performance portion of preflight…. This video is the little tap on the shoulder to never skip any steps
I just wanted to say I appreciate this channel as well as the online ground school. You inspired me to go for private pilot as well as commercial pilot. Thanks again.
wow ! great message ! we are the biggest problem to our airplanes . I will share it my all my students and add it on my pre -flight checklist as a reminder before each flight.
Well said, sir. Thank you for taking the time and bother to bring this to light. This mindset applies to other areas of our lives as well. Old saying "Err on the side of safety."
Thank you, John. This reminds me of the four stages of competence. Being conscious of your incompetence may feel like your always nervous, but it is a very safe state - you know the things you can't do, and you'll shy away from putting yourself in dangerous positions. Being unconscious of your incompetence is the most dangerous state.
I really appreciate these pieces you make (I'm including the Mooney crash on takeoff) - These are elements of flight training that are just as important, and make us really sharpen our ADM and awareness of human factors. Thanks for sharing this deeply personal story with a great lesson for us all.
Awesome job telling it like it is and challenging all pilots (and passengers!) to think twice about what they’re doing and how aircraft performance does or does not match expectations. Perhaps one of your best videos yet. Keep up the good work.
You've down a masterful job of addressing what happened and offering tips/advice for avoiding. Hope this video, and my comments, don't distract a prospective or current flight student from pursuing their goals. Aviation is freakin' awesome, and the best personal development project you can imagine. You become an awesome PIC, and I guarantee it will show up in other areas of your life, to your success. There are two environments that humans are fundamentally foreign to - airborne and underwater (SCUBA diving). There are many more rules to consider, beyond just the standard ground-based stuff of driving, etc. You've covered everything, and here are some additional perspectives of aviation: -Between the engine startup and shutdown, you have ONE role - Pilot-in-Command, period. There were too many conflicting roles of "Salesman" in first scenario. As PIC, the FAA basically just expects way more from us vs 100% groundlings. It's a responsibility that must be at the forefront of every decision. -Personal minimums, checklists, what-if plans (after takeoff, inflight, landing) all have one thing in common - they all externalize our thinking and then are a consistent standard/cross-check against what's going on between our ears. If things are not cross-checking appropriately, then that's a problem to address, and make a PIC decision. Suggestion: Before turning the key, or starting the engine, take a 30 second pause, close your eyes, breathe, and ask yourself, "As Pilot-in-Command, am I completely good-to-go?". The world will still be there in 30 seconds; the sales prospect turns into a passenger; the cool/fun/slick aircraft becomes an aerodynamic-ruled flying machine; and everything just somehow syncs up as planned.
It's my dream to fly. But unfortunately I can't accept the 20x increased risk of death per hour over driving. I do not believe the NTSB and the FAA are investing enough into general aviation. I'd really like to see it at least twice as safe as it currently is before I take the plunge. Does that require more rigorous primary training with improved checkride criteria, shoulder harnesses, angle of attack indicators, active safety automation, etc? We just don't know because the studies aren't being done to determine what works. How do pilots with thousands of hours spin it in? Does an unwavering commitment to safety and personal standards of operation like Jon describes make a real difference? Pilots are usually an intelligent and conscientious bunch compared with the general public in my opinion. Although there is probably also an oversized ego tendency, what are the chances most pilots are already as safety conscious as they can be, but simply suffer lapses of judgement or attention, or get distracted and subsequently oversaturated cognitively, every so often as all humans do?
@@logicturtle9838 You bring up really good points and concerns. I'm not a CFI, but FWIW, I'd suggest keeping that dream alive. There are a couple RUclipsr pilots that personify the ideals of checklists/safety - Missionary Bush Pilot in PNG (Ryan) and Steveo1Kinevo. Both go over the routine checklists ad nauseum, and consistently. How do pilots with thousands of hours spin it in? My answer: A mixture of ego and complacency. The lapse of judgment, you mentioned, happens (IMHO) when the pilot shifts their behavior to another role - for example, salesperson vs PIC. When I was a 1LT Safety Officer for Civil Air Patrol (Torrance, CA) it was an ongoing effort to demand attention for safety briefings - and there was still a sad outcome in one case. But... there was only "one", which is statistically quite low. When I get back in the saddle again, and get the BFR over with, my next action is the Emergency Maneuvers Course (Upset Recovery/Aerobatics) at Santa Paula (SZP). I'm putting the onus on me to be able to get myself out of situations - that maybe caused by others (or myself). In general, I've found that (much like defensive driving) you have to fly "for others". I've been on short final at 23N, and someone meanders onto the active - it happens, but then you're trained to anticipate and do a go around. Continued success, regardless of which path you take.
Well that was sobering. Definitely an important lesson to learn early on, and as a new pilot I appreciate hearing it. I'm sure it was difficult to talk about your friend like that, but you made it through well composed.
Auditory exclusion is a very real, very serious thing. If you want to learn more look it up. We talk about this in law enforcement all the time. Great presentation.
Good advise. 28 yrs of ATC and find pilots don't always say what they mean. I'm a private pilot and get it. Maybe human nature (or just over your head) but they seem to always minimize situation.
Great video. So sorry about your friend. I’ve been involved in aviation for many years. And yes, I’ve been to a funeral as well under similar circumstances. It was a terrible experience for everyone,. The only silver lining is that I’ve since become a very conservative, safety focused pilot. But I wish my friend was still with us.
Good lesson for Icon owners or just pilots in general. That's Aviation, people only learn better from their own mistakes or the mistakes of others, some are deadly but only then they think again before pushing the boundries.
Old video, but these icon A5 are super easy to fly. Probably one of the easiest planes I’ve flown. So easy people forget they are flying a plane that needs to be flown like a plane.
There may be emergency landings, but there are no emergency takeoffs. It took a long time to convince airline crew members (e.g., first officers) to be able to speak up and challenge the captain/PIC. In many cultures it’s still a struggle. At the same time we taught pilots to be open to each other’s input and concerns. It was a conscious effort. It didn’t come as a normal part of human nature.
Can you do a VFR flight from say Tennessee to New York I’m getting my private pilots license and I live in Tennessee but my family is in New York so I was just wondering if it’s possible
Hey john this is a great video and highlights something I see in aviation and in my role as captain at sea…. Normalising the deviance or confirmation bias. These days I always think of that Jim Carey film with Morgan freeman where he says “ god send me a sign” and when you look from The outside there are hundreds of signs but Jim’s character can’t see it. He dismisses it. I see people doing this in both my industries, “ahhh that’ll be ok” is a common phrase. You video has reiterated to your viewers to be mindful of this normalising of the deviance and confirmation bias…. It’s the devil in most accidents.
Thanks John for the discussion about the two accidents. For me I think A5 is an over priced airplane with Rotax 912 , 100 Hp engine. The lesson about the 2nd plane accident is make sure to pay non local A&P to inspect the plane and the engine logbook and give you a written report before even attempt to take a ride in a used airplane .
Great video. I’m friends with the prospective buyer “Pat” and I used to work for him and know him well. He had to have surgery on his arm and shoulder and had to have his tooth extracted from his lung. He told me he can’t believe how easily the tail snapped off when the wing clipped the tree top and spun the plane. Had the tail not broken off he thinks they wouldn’t have hit the water so hard. This is the 4th plane crash he’s been in now(don’t quote me on that-sorry pat).
Well pat sounds like a swell guy, but I don't think I'll be giving him a ride in my plane anytime soon....a little superstition goes a long way for safety
Nice video. 👍 To fight these traps I always pushed students to use an AOPA Personal Minimums Card and stick to it when they’re PIC. People can/should push their skills under controlled conditions like when having a good CFI, but when a person is the PIC, especially with PAX, they should really stick to it.
The A5 sell for $375,000 plus tax...so it's well over $400k. The salesgroup is tempted with high commissions that escalate with each sale during a one month period. Bottomline - they're under pressure to sell product or they are likely to be replaced, so they push the limit on when to fly.
You're being WAY too nice to this pilot. What an absolute clown! Never should have even got in the plane in that weather. Every decision he made from there on was a bad one. Then lies to the investigators!
I’m sorry to hear about your friend. Having just lost a friend a month ago in an airplane accident (he was also a big fan of your videos), I know it can be tough. It’s definitely a wake up call when it hits close to home like that. Thanks for the good analysis and giving us some things to help us make better decisions when we fly.
Actually, anywhere in the world. It's the international law of the sea ... you must assist a vessel in distress ... and one the aircraft is on the after it becomes a vessel and the PIC s the captain for legal purposes.
Any landing you can swim away from is a good landing ? After the crash passenger says thanks now I’ll be able to afford a bunch of these Salesman under pressure to make a sale. My dad 20,000 hrs AF pilot always said if you go by air have time to spare. Now I understand what he meant
The part at 12 minutes where you are saying to go ahead and set down & ask the people if you could tie up your airplane on their property. I grew up on a river had relatives on the lake upriver I would be highly shocked at anybody that would say no you cannot type your airplane up here. And like you say, there are lots of houses around can easily float up to any number of other people's backyards. Honestly, if they were to say no you cannot tie your airplane up here. I would actually be wondering what are they doing that is so illegal that they don't want anyone around
I say it all the time. A poor decision is only a poor decision when that poor decision goes bad. Its very hard to recognize a poor decision when that poor decision works out. Unfortunately when a poor decision goes bad in aviation, the cost of that poor decision is usually the ultimate price! N43TT
@@PaulGarthAviation Flew my first solo last night. It was a little bumpy with a crosswind, and my landings weren't up to the standards that I had hoped for, but they were safe, and the plane and I are in one piece. First solo in the bag!
Super Petrel only comes full loaded and costs 195k with a Rotax 912. It has a range of over 500nm, and a payload of 450 lbs with full fuel. It climbs at 1,000 ft per minute, cruises at 90-100 kts, stalls at 35 kts clean and needs less than 400 ft to takeoff at sea level in standard conditions. The A5 with all options and a Rotax 912 costs twice as much, has 85 nm less range, 300 lbs payload with full fuel, climbs at 629 ft per minute, cruises at 83 kts, stalls 10 kts faster clean and needs 1470 to takeoff with no obstacles. The Seamax and Searay are nearly identical to the Super Petrel. Why would ANYONE buy a bloated pig like an A5 when every other plane in the category is superior in every way?
He shouldn't have taken off overweight, even a little, but that's not why he crashed. He should have taxied to then end of the lake and taken off into the wind. He limited himself to a very short "runway",. He should have maximized his "runway", taken off, and stayed in ground effect to gain speed, just as you would do any soft field takeoff. He had enough space on the lake to give himself the option to set it back down again if he lacked the performance needed.
When your own employees, crash or die on a very "safe" plane, something is very wrong at the company level, also very heavy for 100hp, they kept the engine to make some bucks but increased the fuselage weight.
Lol! Yup! Did just that! Had a bad crash on an eBike after I decided to squeeze in a bike ride on a rainy day. Had ridden on many moist trails, but felt I needed suck-it-up, be stoic, and get in my needed workout that day! Survived the single-track trail just fine, but hydroplaned making a turn on the road 400' from home. Weeks in a hospital and a month of rehab makes you reassess your flawless decision-making skills! 🤦♂️😄
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You could tell how personal this video was for you to make. Thank you. It’s a great reminder for us all
Yeah, BUT this pilot was a real dangerous doofus that flew one of the worst flights we ever saw. That brings out the passion in pilots, as these comments will attest to too. It's the principle of demanding of self and others as aviation and the sky demand that is the source of our DUE wrath, and immediate and shocked attention
Those Flying Jet Skis that cost as much as a house have miniscule useful loads.
Great analysis of this accident. You can clearly see the three attempts to take off on the video. If you are going to lie like that on an official NTSB investigation or any deception as a pilot you dont belong in the airplane. Your integrity and reputation in this community is everything.
Very fine presentation that emphasized exactly what should have been emphasized. Keep up the good work - I hope I get a chance to fly with you some day...
I hope Icon learns to have its pilot reps prioritize customer care and safety over ac sales, and I imagine it may tie to changing the sales incentive structure. Reps making decisions clearly in favor of customer safety is a good way to show that Icon itself emphasizes safety in its products and services.
Didn’t they already have to do that to a large extent? Downplaying the irresponsible behavior shown in their early ads.
Awesome analysis. Just got my cfi (your oral exam prep was priceless) and this is the kind of adm that I teach my students. Thank you for taking your time to provide these resources!
Glad to hear it helped!!! Share it around!
Sorry for your loss, great video. Much appreciated.
Wow, really great analysis. I was on the edge of my seat all the way to the end. Thank you so much for this invaluable information. Yes I have learned a lot…thanks to you! I am very sorry for the loss of your friend.
I fight confirmation bias, I learned to the hard way twice, once a back injury the second was Necrotizing Fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria) and almost died. I learned to listen to that little voice every time.
Great analysis. I always learn something from watching your videos. So sorry for your loss. Thanks for your invaluable input.
Jon,
WELL DONE SIR!
BRAVO!
I have watched a lot of your content, and many other notable aviation RUclipsr's content over the last few years. The amount of time and effort and HEART that you put into this particular video is clearly evident! (not that your others aren't equally as good!) My condolences for the loss of your friend, and the heartbreak this accident must have brought back considering the numerous similarities between the two. Many blessings to you sir for the time and effort you put into teaching us from other's mistakes in the hopes that it will keep us from making the same mistakes with catastrophic consequences. God Bless!
Thank you!!!
There are a LOT of life lessons in this excellent video thank you. I never compromise on my safety and my duty of safety to others. I have been a passenger in a friends sports car when he was driving really fast and aggressively and I was getting worried. I knew he'd laugh and keep going if I begged him to stop so I knew what WOULD make him stop. "I think Im gonna throw up, pull over quick" The prospect of vomit inside his precious car was too much and he hurriedly stopped. I got out, reached back in, grabbed my backpack, told him to carry on and that I was gonna get an Uber and bid him goodbye. I never spoke to him again.
Another time I declined to go to a friends birthday party because the weather was blowing snow and icy roads. "Sorry, I cant come".
Finally as a VFR-only private pilot I was gonna take 3 friends up in a Piper Warrior. They were so hyped to go. Even though it was just a VFR hop close by I didnt like the look of some dark looking clouds in the distance. This was during the preflight that I was staring at those clouds no doubt feeling some pressure to give my friends this ride they were looking forward to. They saw me putting the chocks back on the wheels, putting the pitot cover back on, cancelling the fuel request, unplugging my headset. "I'm sorry guys, those clouds worry me they have a habit of closing in fast"
Being non pilots they protested "They are MILES away dude!" We all walked back to the FBO and after 30 minutes went to Taco Bell. We all sat down and then heard the loud crack of thunder and the skies opened in a deluge. It all went dark and misty, about 45 min later the field was IFR. Friends stared silently out the big windows at the rain driving down along with cloud-cloud lightning.
The following week I saw the coolest message on my phone from one of those friends. She said "I'll fly with you anytime, thanks for what you did"
If it doesn't feel right just walk away. It does not matter if you were wrong - you're alive!
You should be a life lessons coach. Your advice applies to most situations in life. Great job.
REACT checklist... Airspeed/Acceleration was absolutely a NO-GO
unfortunately the salesman thought "A" stood for arrogance and said - "check"
Great video, as usual. You remind us there is never a little flight, and you d better be ready and have thought throught it before the take off. I must admit that I often skip the t/off performance portion of preflight…. This video is the little tap on the shoulder to never skip any steps
Great video. Sorry for your loss. Hope this video can help people make better decisions
I just wanted to say I appreciate this channel as well as the online ground school. You inspired me to go for private pilot as well as commercial pilot. Thanks again.
Glad to hear it!
Awesome message!!! You nailed it!
wow ! great message ! we are the biggest problem to our airplanes . I will share it my all my students and add it on my pre -flight checklist as a reminder before each flight.
Powerful talk. I'm not a pilot, but I appreciate this video.
Well said, sir. Thank you for taking the time and bother to bring this to light. This mindset applies to other areas of our lives as well. Old saying "Err on the side of safety."
Absolutely!
Thank you, John. This reminds me of the four stages of competence.
Being conscious of your incompetence may feel like your always nervous, but it is a very safe state - you know the things you can't do, and you'll shy away from putting yourself in dangerous positions.
Being unconscious of your incompetence is the most dangerous state.
Glad it helps!
Well said Rob.....
I'm sorry for the loss of your friend, that is a very rough thing to go through
I really appreciate these pieces you make (I'm including the Mooney crash on takeoff) - These are elements of flight training that are just as important, and make us really sharpen our ADM and awareness of human factors. Thanks for sharing this deeply personal story with a great lesson for us all.
Glad it helps!
Very, very well done. A sobering reminder that we’re all fallible. As an aviation insurance agent, I hope all of my clients watch this!
Feel free to share it around!
Greetings from another Michigander. Hope this heatwave finds you well.
Staying cool in Alaska at the new Pilot Lodge!
Every student should have to watch this.
Great video and topic Jon. Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend.
Awesome job telling it like it is and challenging all pilots (and passengers!) to think twice about what they’re doing and how aircraft performance does or does not match expectations. Perhaps one of your best videos yet. Keep up the good work.
What year did this crash occur?
So, did he make the sale?
You've down a masterful job of addressing what happened and offering tips/advice for avoiding.
Hope this video, and my comments, don't distract a prospective or current flight student from pursuing their goals. Aviation is freakin' awesome, and the best personal development project you can imagine. You become an awesome PIC, and I guarantee it will show up in other areas of your life, to your success.
There are two environments that humans are fundamentally foreign to - airborne and underwater (SCUBA diving). There are many more rules to consider, beyond just the standard ground-based stuff of driving, etc.
You've covered everything, and here are some additional perspectives of aviation:
-Between the engine startup and shutdown, you have ONE role - Pilot-in-Command, period. There were too many conflicting roles of "Salesman" in first scenario. As PIC, the FAA basically just expects way more from us vs 100% groundlings. It's a responsibility that must be at the forefront of every decision.
-Personal minimums, checklists, what-if plans (after takeoff, inflight, landing) all have one thing in common - they all externalize our thinking and then are a consistent standard/cross-check against what's going on between our ears. If things are not cross-checking appropriately, then that's a problem to address, and make a PIC decision.
Suggestion: Before turning the key, or starting the engine, take a 30 second pause, close your eyes, breathe, and ask yourself, "As Pilot-in-Command, am I completely good-to-go?". The world will still be there in 30 seconds; the sales prospect turns into a passenger; the cool/fun/slick aircraft becomes an aerodynamic-ruled flying machine; and everything just somehow syncs up as planned.
It's my dream to fly. But unfortunately I can't accept the 20x increased risk of death per hour over driving. I do not believe the NTSB and the FAA are investing enough into general aviation. I'd really like to see it at least twice as safe as it currently is before I take the plunge. Does that require more rigorous primary training with improved checkride criteria, shoulder harnesses, angle of attack indicators, active safety automation, etc? We just don't know because the studies aren't being done to determine what works. How do pilots with thousands of hours spin it in? Does an unwavering commitment to safety and personal standards of operation like Jon describes make a real difference? Pilots are usually an intelligent and conscientious bunch compared with the general public in my opinion. Although there is probably also an oversized ego tendency, what are the chances most pilots are already as safety conscious as they can be, but simply suffer lapses of judgement or attention, or get distracted and subsequently oversaturated cognitively, every so often as all humans do?
@@logicturtle9838 You bring up really good points and concerns. I'm not a CFI, but FWIW, I'd suggest keeping that dream alive. There are a couple RUclipsr pilots that personify the ideals of checklists/safety - Missionary Bush Pilot in PNG (Ryan) and Steveo1Kinevo. Both go over the routine checklists ad nauseum, and consistently.
How do pilots with thousands of hours spin it in? My answer: A mixture of ego and complacency. The lapse of judgment, you mentioned, happens (IMHO) when the pilot shifts their behavior to another role - for example, salesperson vs PIC. When I was a 1LT Safety Officer for Civil Air Patrol (Torrance, CA) it was an ongoing effort to demand attention for safety briefings - and there was still a sad outcome in one case. But... there was only "one", which is statistically quite low.
When I get back in the saddle again, and get the BFR over with, my next action is the Emergency Maneuvers Course (Upset Recovery/Aerobatics) at Santa Paula (SZP). I'm putting the onus on me to be able to get myself out of situations - that maybe caused by others (or myself).
In general, I've found that (much like defensive driving) you have to fly "for others". I've been on short final at 23N, and someone meanders onto the active - it happens, but then you're trained to anticipate and do a go around.
Continued success, regardless of which path you take.
This was an excellent discussion, thank you.
Well that was sobering. Definitely an important lesson to learn early on, and as a new pilot I appreciate hearing it. I'm sure it was difficult to talk about your friend like that, but you made it through well composed.
Great video Jon !! Keep up the good work ! Say hey to Stephanie for me !
jon very wise words, thank you for this. was a W&B done?
Auditory exclusion is a very real, very serious thing. If you want to learn more look it up. We talk about this in law enforcement all the time. Great presentation.
I can think of no video or presenter that could top the qualities of this presentation. Thanks.
Thank you!
Good advise. 28 yrs of ATC and find pilots don't always say what they mean. I'm a private pilot and get it. Maybe human nature (or just over your head) but they seem to always minimize situation.
Great video. So sorry about your friend. I’ve been involved in aviation for many years. And yes, I’ve been to a funeral as well under similar circumstances. It was a terrible experience for everyone,. The only silver lining is that I’ve since become a very conservative, safety focused pilot. But I wish my friend was still with us.
Great video! Spot on! Every pilot needs to watch this...thank you
A video that all new pilots should watch. Very good review.
Great lesson, well said, much appreciated.
Thank you John for this master class
Good lesson for Icon owners or just pilots in general. That's Aviation, people only learn better from their own mistakes or the mistakes of others, some are deadly but only then they think again before pushing the boundries.
Old video, but these icon A5 are super easy to fly.
Probably one of the easiest planes I’ve flown.
So easy people forget they are flying a plane that needs to be flown like a plane.
There may be emergency landings, but there are no emergency takeoffs.
It took a long time to convince airline crew members (e.g., first officers) to be able to speak up and challenge the captain/PIC. In many cultures it’s still a struggle.
At the same time we taught pilots to be open to each other’s input and concerns. It was a conscious effort. It didn’t come as a normal part of human nature.
Yes. See the Tenerife air disaster.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster
Awesome lesson! Really appreciate your insights. The fear of disappointing passengers/students is real.
Glad it was helpful!
Spot on.Mike as always love your passion. ADM check is the first thing after I SAFE.
Can you do a VFR flight from say Tennessee to New York I’m getting my private pilots license and I live in Tennessee but my family is in New York so I was just wondering if it’s possible
Your channel is the best. Learn't so much from all your videos and debriefs. I want to build a similar attitude as a CFI
Great to hear!
Flying Jetski....great analogy
The customer then sued and got a free plane lol no one hurt, survived a plane crash small price to pay after all.
Hey john this is a great video and highlights something I see in aviation and in my role as captain at sea…. Normalising the deviance or confirmation bias. These days I always think of that Jim Carey film with Morgan freeman where he says “ god send me a sign” and when you look from The outside there are hundreds of signs but Jim’s character can’t see it. He dismisses it. I see people doing this in both my industries, “ahhh that’ll be ok” is a common phrase.
You video has reiterated to your viewers to be mindful of this normalising of the deviance and confirmation bias…. It’s the devil in most accidents.
Bruce almighty.
Its called get-there-itis
Thank you John for this video! I will share it with my CFI
Can't disagree with anything you said. Thanks.
Superb analysis of the incident nicely done
Thanks!
Thanks John for the discussion about the two accidents. For me I think A5 is an over priced airplane with Rotax 912 , 100 Hp engine. The lesson about the 2nd plane accident is make sure to pay non local A&P to inspect the plane and the engine logbook and give you a written report before even attempt to take a ride in a used airplane .
Great video. I’m friends with the prospective buyer “Pat” and I used to work for him and know him well. He had to have surgery on his arm and shoulder and had to have his tooth extracted from his lung. He told me he can’t believe how easily the tail snapped off when the wing clipped the tree top and spun the plane. Had the tail not broken off he thinks they wouldn’t have hit the water so hard. This is the 4th plane crash he’s been in now(don’t quote me on that-sorry pat).
Well pat sounds like a swell guy, but I don't think I'll be giving him a ride in my plane anytime soon....a little superstition goes a long way for safety
Excellent report. Thank you.
Super good video and analysis! Well said.
Really great analysis. I enjoy the videos you make
Does he make the sale ✈️💵
Nice video. 👍
To fight these traps I always pushed students to use an AOPA Personal Minimums Card and stick to it when they’re PIC.
People can/should push their skills under controlled conditions like when having a good CFI, but when a person is the PIC, especially with PAX, they should really stick to it.
Good advise Jon.
Well done. Excellent video.
Jon...Where are you? Where you been? What's the latest with you?
We're up in Alaska setting up our new Pilot Lodge for flight training!
Any videos yet on location!! Can I come up and get my float rating?? Good Luck...Sounds like a winner!!
Buyer remorse. As a pilot I've had to make some crazy decisions, my decisions always have been "will this kill me?"
A windy day and there are trees upwind. Recipie for turbulence/sink.
IS flaps 30 too much drag!.
In Searey never used Flap 30 for T/O.
Good lesson .
Hope not to copy This !
The A5 sell for $375,000 plus tax...so it's well over $400k. The salesgroup is tempted with high commissions that escalate with each sale during a one month period. Bottomline - they're under pressure to sell product or they are likely to be replaced, so they push the limit on when to fly.
This video is amazing! Keep up the great work !
Thank you
Old Pilots and Bold Pilots ...
You're being WAY too nice to this pilot. What an absolute clown! Never should have even got in the plane in that weather. Every decision he made from there on was a bad one. Then lies to the investigators!
He took off overweight and he is an ATP. FAA isn't going to be happy about that.
Well said thank you -
Great video!!!
The fairly recent newly purchased Seawind debacle is worth looking at as well (guy crashed several times on the way home!)
Seawind is my favorite plane.
I’m sorry to hear about your friend. Having just lost a friend a month ago in an airplane accident (he was also a big fan of your videos), I know it can be tough. It’s definitely a wake up call when it hits close to home like that. Thanks for the good analysis and giving us some things to help us make better decisions when we fly.
Excellent video
I personally think the icon a5 is the best plane in existence
A decision to not fly, due to conditions or an over-abundance of caution, is always the correct decision.
Very good explanation, thanks John👍
Glad it was helpful!
Lots of problems with this pilots thought process. In the end 100 hp with rough waters and high winds sums it up.
Not to mention the flaps at 30 degrees.. huge amount of drag..
Talk about crashing in HD. Two live camera angles plus an excel spreadsheet with blackbox data.
In America you cannot deny a vessel a safe port in a storm.
Actually, anywhere in the world. It's the international law of the sea ... you must assist a vessel in distress ... and one the aircraft is on the after it becomes a vessel and the PIC s the captain for legal purposes.
Any landing you can swim away from is a good landing ?
After the crash passenger says thanks now I’ll be able to afford a bunch of these
Salesman under pressure to make a sale.
My dad 20,000 hrs AF pilot always said if you go by air have time to spare. Now I understand what he meant
Good job explaining
Just when the A5 finally thought they were outa the woods. This fukin guy....
Did he buy the plane?
The part at 12 minutes
where you are saying to go ahead and set down & ask the people if you could tie up your airplane on their property. I grew up on a river had relatives on the lake upriver I would be highly shocked at anybody that would say no you cannot type your airplane up here. And like you say, there are lots of houses around can easily float up to any number of other people's backyards. Honestly, if they were to say no you cannot tie your airplane up here. I would actually be wondering what are they doing that is so illegal that they don't want anyone around
Very well done. Thank you!
But did the dude eventually buy an Ikon?
I would
Well said
Very informative and how in the world anyone can give this a thumbs down well I will leave that up to you.
I say it all the time. A poor decision is only a poor decision when that poor decision goes bad. Its very hard to recognize a poor decision when that poor decision works out. Unfortunately when a poor decision goes bad in aviation, the cost of that poor decision is usually the ultimate price! N43TT
I am a student pilot about to fly my first solo, and it was great to hear this advice from a pro. I will remember this.
Report back after you complete Pilot-in-Command Solo. It's an exhilarating feeling.
@@PaulGarthAviation Flew my first solo last night. It was a little bumpy with a crosswind, and my landings weren't up to the standards that I had hoped for, but they were safe, and the plane and I are in one piece. First solo in the bag!
Super Petrel only comes full loaded and costs 195k with a Rotax 912. It has a range of over 500nm, and a payload of 450 lbs with full fuel. It climbs at 1,000 ft per minute, cruises at 90-100 kts, stalls at 35 kts clean and needs less than 400 ft to takeoff at sea level in standard conditions. The A5 with all options and a Rotax 912 costs twice as much, has 85 nm less range, 300 lbs payload with full fuel, climbs at 629 ft per minute, cruises at 83 kts, stalls 10 kts faster clean and needs 1470 to takeoff with no obstacles. The Seamax and Searay are nearly identical to the Super Petrel. Why would ANYONE buy a bloated pig like an A5 when every other plane in the category is superior in every way?
He shouldn't have taken off overweight, even a little, but that's not why he crashed. He should have taxied to then end of the lake and taken off into the wind. He limited himself to a very short "runway",. He should have maximized his "runway", taken off, and stayed in ground effect to gain speed, just as you would do any soft field takeoff. He had enough space on the lake to give himself the option to set it back down again if he lacked the performance needed.
Probably didn't have the whole lake available due to the wave size, the more downwind you are the bigger the fetch for the waves
When your own employees, crash or die on a very "safe" plane, something is very wrong at the company level, also very heavy for 100hp, they kept the engine to make some bucks but increased the fuselage weight.
Lol! Yup! Did just that! Had a bad crash on an eBike after I decided to squeeze in a bike ride on a rainy day. Had ridden on many moist trails, but felt I needed suck-it-up, be stoic, and get in my needed workout that day! Survived the single-track trail just fine, but hydroplaned making a turn on the road 400' from home. Weeks in a hospital and a month of rehab makes you reassess your flawless decision-making skills! 🤦♂️😄