Amazing 1800's 8 Song Music Box, Lets Look At The Mechanics! G. Baker-Troll & Co.
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2015
- Amazing1800's music box, Lets Look At The Mechanics!
This music box i was asked to fix, it was a simple screw that needed adjustment. all is well now, and i was able to have a chance to share it with you. enjoy.
I stated that there was 7 songs but there are 8, :)
I mean how do you make such a thing in 1880-90 ? crazy
~Russ Gries
PS. No i don't get to keep it :)
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Harpe Harmonique Piccolo musical box by Geo. Baker & Co.Geo. Baker & Co. late G. Baker-Troll & Co.
Large Antique Swiss 8 Tune Zither Cylinder Music Box by George Baker Troll & Co Geneva 
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Thank you for posting this! I just inherited a music box just like yours but with no text on it whatsoever. Now after watching this I know that my box has missing pieces and I'll get someone to repair it soon :)
It's always fun to carry forth old antiques into the future, feels like I'm a part of something bigger. A keeper of history if you will!
08:15 Norma: Casta diva. - Bellini
12:33 Faust:Soldiers chorus. - Gounod
13:42 Ivanhoe?: (Choeur?) dance. - Sullivan
14:40 Dolores: Waltz. - Waldteufel
15:41 Women‘s love / Frauenliebe. Polka. - Strauss
16:46 Stephanie Gavotte. Czibulka
17:51 Cigale et fourmi/ Cricket and ant / Grille und Ameise. Farewell Chorus. - Deransart (not Audran)
18:58 Ermine: Quick march. Jakobowski. Greetings, Roland von Malmborg, Swerden
Thank you for helping us with your knowledge
Thank you very much. Saves me time searching for the songs.
LOL~! :o
Does it play all 7 songs one by one or you need to change the track & rewind?
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12:33 The Soldiers ‘ Chorus from Gounod’s “Faust” ... that lifted my spirits this evening. :)
What a masterpiece!
It's called a Geneva stop wind. After 4 winds it stops to prevent overwinding of the mainspring. Those pins and wheel are important. It keeps the spring tentioned in the barrels winds down so the spring doesn't break and come off the arbor.
when I see the mechanicals, I stop to think: "what kind of music a cactus do?"
good point mare!
That’s an interesting thought!
I think this is epic. Thanks for showing all the parts. It's around 1860-1920
that is a beautiful work of mechanical engineering, and craftsmanship of various kinds including gearing, acoustics, windup motors, not to mention woodworking and acoustics and understanding music. thanks for showing this
Jack Scholze I
Wonderful demonstration, good floor and some teeth are on strike because of heavy working load in past years. Thank u very much.
The squeaks are damper issues that are suppose to stop a tooth from viberating before it is struck again. Some appear to need work. It would play alot better with all those non performing dampers fixed.
That lever by the cylinder is a hack that someone installed for later coin operated units. Never ever ever ever use that to change the melody when it's not properly aligned you can bust the teeth or at times missalign the cylinder when the change cam comes around. This hack may have been added either in the early 1900s for music selection ( like a Juke box). I don't like the quick select feature. As I mentioned that's an addition to the machine. The handle thimble looks different as well. It's best to let the music change as the cylinder revolves.
I love this it reminds me the pass wasn’t so long ago but the future wasn’t too far ahead
Actually this is a double comb box, the left and right combs are the same with a minute change in pitch, the same principle as a Flaminco Guitar (12 string with every two strings a 'course' of one note. or a santur with four strins per note (a piano has one to four strings per note for that depth sound).
BTW there are EIGHT tunes (not 7!) The roman numerals on the number guide indicates this.
The butterfly is part of the gonvenor that controls the speed.
I believe the small wheel on the spring drum is an overwind mechanism preventing over winding the spring!
Good video
9:27 that geneva drive is to prevent the music box from being "overwound." It is only winding one giant mainspring the entire time, just that mainspring is fully wound when the geneva drive catches. I would NOT take it apart because those giant mainsprings can be very deadly.
I agree
Prefer this to an MP3 player with 10,000 songs. Seeing how it produces music is the real treat. It is hand crafted and not just snapped together by a child.
Absolutely.
You have a weird and narrow opinion of music. I feel sorry for you if you're incapable of enjoying sounds that aren't mechanically produced.
@@loveisinportant5570 seems to me mechanical music sounds better than terrible pop song artists that people seem to enjoy. It actually takes a real mind to make master pieces.
love that box!!!!
thank you for sharing
12:30 what u come for
Lovely
It’s so beautiful 14:30
it's a shame so many of the notes are broken
it's not broken, it's called microtonal
@@chainleigh3025 chill dude, i'm being sarcastic
@@didinhrd6111 the tips are broken, can’t play without the tips
Masterpiece ❤️
Thanks for this! We have a slightly different version called a Zither Harmonique Piccolo with 6 tunes in our Special Collection at Flinders University in Adelaide, South Australia. It was really helpful and interesting to see this explanation of the mechanics.
most wonderful. glad it was of some help. really liked this music box. Its hard to imagine the kind of things that were build back in the day and still kicking around today and good working order. :) ~Russ
i really like stephanie gavotte, i have it on a symphonion music box that needs damper replacements.
Nice
Cool. I have one too. Can you adjust the speed blades on them? Mine started to slow down. Which way do you turn the blades to speed it up, and how far?
The governor definitely shouldn’t be bent. Most of these are 100+ years old. Yours would’ve slowed down because it needs maintenance-cleaning away old grease and oil, adding fresh appropriate lubricants, and potentially fixing by adding bushings or replacing shafts if there’s excessive wear. Probably it just needs to be disassembled and put in ultrasonic bath, then lubed and reassembled. But I wouldn’t try to do it myself, despite being amply handy.
I Have an old music box. Maybe you can help get me going with buying what I
need to get started. The cylinder has a number and the box has the same number 93395 on the metal.
It is 17 3/4 inches by 8 by 6 inches. it is 57 notes I think. Maybe you can help with parts,
date, manufacturer which will also help me also. Adding pics. Thanks Ron
beautiful, but a shame a lot of the tips are broken. still sounds awesome
I can't help but wonder how expensive something like this was at time of production.
I have a music box similar in build to this. For some reason the cylinder is stuck rigid on the arbour so the track won’t change. Any ideas how best to fix?
what size screwdriver can i use toremove the comb??i need to back my comb off from thre cylinder by a minimum of .0005 i was told my box plucks too hard any advice???
completely delighted !!!
Sergio Amata thanks! glad you enjoyed! ~Russ
Trabajo en maquinado y la vd no me doy una idea de como lo hizieron?
The original walkman.
Amazing. You got a wonderful asset - preserve it.
i want one!
***** no, check it out, give it a Google. you will see its late 1800's ~Russ
dude that's so cool!!!
That is a really nice music box. Couldn't imagine having to place all those pins on that cylinder. By the way, that part that you were pointing out on the winding mechanism, it is called a Geneva Drive Mechanism.
tinylogic Is the Geneva Drive Mechanism to prevent users from over winding the spring?
SugarBooty yes. that is correct. or at least i believe so. ~Russ
SugarBooty Yes, you are correct. Interestingly, I would never have expected to see a Geneva Drive Mechanism in a music box as my experience with this mechanism is in watch movements. Goes to show the craftsmanship placed in this music box.
I was asked for clarification on this so thought I would share it here as I was slightly incorrect on the term. My experience with this Geneva mechanism is in horology and it is referred to as the Geneva Stop (or Stop Work) mechanism and its use appears to be the same for this music box where it limits the winding/rotation of the spring. However there is also the Geneva Drive mechanism where it is very similar in design and appearance but is used in different applications.
hello. that is Truly a nice M Box. But on the winding spring, there is only one coiled up spring inside the spring barrel. That small gear and Pin is called a geneva mechanism. It is use to count how many time the the center of the of the winding made a complete go around to keep some one from over winding it . Gald you got it working :)
I wind up the box but the cylinder won’t turn. What am I doing wrong?
There should be a switch or button somewhere on the music box. sometimes on the front there is a little switch that looks like a decorative button. Other times there is levers on the inside of the music box.
Absolutely wonderful ! thank you. rick
Sad. my grandma has the same machine...
Can this be cleaned in a Ultrasonic Cleaner?
I think that's possible. A ultrasonic cleaner is used to clean antique clocks, music boxes are close to them.
I have the bigger version of this. Looks almost exactly the same.
Oh wow, it must be wonderful my friend, would you mind doing a video and sharing with us ? That would be great
that's precious.. thanks for the video
Have you fixed that wonderful box. I think i know all melodies but they missing some notes. I thing because it is missing some ends of the tip that makes the sound.
You should get a book on music bo xes and learn the proper terms for the parts !
its not fixed if you look at the prongs that get plucked they are missing some pieces of metal so that they get plucked right now it sounds very off with the songs
all my loving....
THIS WAS LIT!!!!!!!!
what you meant to type in description was "I mean how do you make such a thing in "1880-90" ? I am not sure the keys are broken but rather keys that would not fit the pitch of the keys on a piano keyboard including sharps and flats so those spots are not pegged for being twanged, but to see for sure use a sharp leaded pencil and place it where you think the broken lil piece would be and hold it perfectly at center of that key and play a song and see if the lead gets broken...if it survives play the next song as the previous song may by chance not have used that note, Reason I say this is it did not sound like it missed any notes on any song you played.
1NRG24Seven good catch. fixed, thanks! yeah from what i can tell there broken off. i have seen pins go past those point's. there might be some that are not used but if that's the case, why brake them off? any how good thoughts, thanks! ~Russ
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George Baker (also known as Geo. Baker) and Samuel Troll were
independent makers prior to 1874. However, a catalogue, with the
back-to-back letters B with central stem forming T, has the heading:
G. BAKER-TROLL & Co. established 1868. This seems to throw doubt on
some previous dating evidence.
The partnership started in 1874 as Baker-Troll. The company reverted
to Geo. Baker & Co. in about 1891 but soon after Baker began to give
up parts of the business. Subsequently it was advertised as 'late
Baker-Troll' to about 1900. Chevob & Co. took over the business soon
after 1900.
I hear missing notes from the broken tips. All tips shall be there, and the pins of the seven silent melodies pass between two neighbouring pins. Tips probably can be mended at acceptable COSTs, but when a whole tooth is broken off, it can cost 30£/300$!
It have 20 tips of tooth broken as can see on video they may be broken more, those note will not play is about 20 $ to replace one. Can you please stop rotating the fly weel backwards you will broke all .It needs professional repair if you remove the comb you will never been able to place it back as it was and will be completely out of tune
Also needs the dumpers replacement, in perfect working conditions I can go to 1000$ on ebuy
Be careful if you send it for repair read feedback first mine was ruined by a so called professional music box repair shop
22:45
bet that baby is worth alot
Dennis Peacock yeah. I'd say so ~Russ
Do you want to fix all this broken "soundblades" ?
They are called "reeds". The only way to fix it would be to remove them and make new ones. That's time intensive to do. Technically you could solder or weld the broken tips back, but it's difficult to make them sound right after that.
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