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Intercooler with No Boost? How does an intercooler effect NA power
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2019
- This beautiful Rsx rolled in the door for a tune and after working hard to figure out why it can barely breath we find the intercooler is connected with no turbo or supercharger we find out what it does to the power it can make.
This RsX has every bolt on including
Rbc intake manifold skunk2 70mm throttle body full intake and yonaka exhaust and header with a pair of skunk2 drop in cams. For fuel system it has Acura RDX injectors a 340 fuel pump and a Hondata kpro ecu. The results are awesome! Thanks for watching guys make sure to check out our sponsors .
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Doesn’t matter if Brent is dyno-ing a 160HP car or a 1000HP car, he still gets excited and that’s why I watch this channel. I don’t own an import but love to see people get excited about their passion like this.
Exactly its the love for the car community doesnt matter what you own as long as your passionate about it
That feeling is awesome man!
Exactly I love the positive energy they put out. I'm sick of people fighting with each other about brand and stuff. I like cars for cars idc what brand it is. I have had imports domestics I'm not brand loyal. This is the best channel on RUclips. 0 hate
@@bigscrap84 exactly!! If you dont love all cars your not a true car guy!!!!
I was just talking about it. Brent love's what he does for a living, what could ever be better than that???????????????????????????????????????????
With no forced induction it's just an Interfooler.
FMIF
Try methanol injection!
Doo Doo Ding!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's already got the Type R eBay badge so he doesn't need a turbo, the badge is easily 100+ HP 🤣
Most people would have made fun off the guy for hooking it up but Brent was so chill about it shows how cool he really is
yeah theyre so chill.
Yeah I would work there full time for free just to learn
@@jdm_obsession what I wouldn't give for that...
Only on camera, bet he made a lot of fun about him after he left and camera turned off.
blueknight yeah it's possible lol at least it wasn't seen by 68 thousand people
How many people knew?
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I knew it would lose power but losing 63hp?!?! I'm absolutely stunned it lost that much power. That's an entire Chevy Sonic in power lost! 😂🤣
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Why does it loose power? Because of air resistance in the intercooler?
Get a straw and suck thru it then get a straw and put a paper towel over the end and try sucking again.
@@chris47374 Nailed it. 👍
I would've suggested to him to breathe, then to put his hands around his own throat, squeeze then try to breathe while squeezing...same result. 😉🤣😂
@@jeppeemilhugod5275 because is an inter heater
Brent’s laughter can cure cancer! ☺️ great job guys!!!! You have the best crew that is very supportive. Wish I had a Brent in Seattle
Nice bro. I'm in seattle to. I wish he was local for a tune haha
You guys are a good group of guys and showed much professionalism by not bashing on the owner for having that intercooler hooked up. He didn't know any better and you could tell he had a passion for his vehicle just by the quality parts he had installed but just needed the right guidance by gear heads thats been doing this stuff for a long time. I salute you Brent and the whole PFI squad for keeping it professional. So much integrity and honesty in the crew you have! I could almost hear all the people screaming at their screens when you showed that the intercooler was actually hooked up to nothing.
the type 'R' is for Restricted.
@Theory Vue u probably don't even have a car
@@milan5159 r/whoosh
Milan lol u prolly have a 200hp car and u think its fast lol. I have a sc400 i bet u dont even know what that is
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 jus curious whats the 0-60 on the sc400? I have a 1st gen gs300 i love both sc and gs and is. But i have a g35 sedan daily driver.
@john maselli yes if its LHD its 2jz-ge (naturally aspirated). If its RHD its 2jz-gte (twin turbo). BUT, he said sc400 so that's the V8.
Love that you didn't even ask why the guy decided to hook up intercooler when you figured it out, just went on with the tuning even more excited and into it then before! Great vibes!
Was talking with a friend about what an intercooler on a NA motor might do performance wise. Thanks for answering that question Brent! I learn more and more watching you guys work!
pretty obvious it would reduce performance, just a question of how much. an intercooler won't cool air to below ambient temp so all it's doing is making it harder for the engine to breathe.
@@CampyCamper Yep, always nice to have data though is the point I was making. Thanks for your expert opinion though!
Also, if you are hoping that colder temps will make more power you need to know what the computer is doing. The ECU is only pulling out one or two degrees on the IAT table.
@@ichoozjc Who said anything about that? Lol
@@STInkEYErex I did.
The can crushing is oddly-satisfying.
Im first time here.
Guy behind the wheel - really cool guy, looks like He cares about what He is doing.
Respect and BIG 👍 for Him!
I love how you get a joy out of tunning you are the man I think I'm going to drive to your shop so you can tune my 2015 civic si
now put a turbo without routing it to the intake and see how much power it loses
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Lol
A turbo that you don't mind destroying because it overspools when you do that. Learned the hard way 😧
@@XHikotheproX that was just a shit turbo bro
@@Gesuspiece if the wastegate runs off manifold pressure it will overboost setup like that.
Good Morning PFI,
Love seeing a fellow Oregonian in your shop. Hope you all have a fantastic day.
-Westy
On this episode of tuna no crust.... I am learning heaps from you pfi crew thank you for your input to this channel and the community
That intercooler just about mimics breathing through a straw while running.
If the restriction math was worked out (bigger piping or cooler and/or shapes) so it was cooling the charge without causing asthma do you think it would cause a power gain?
@@oldtin82 true, BUUUUT, if you're intaking under hood air at say 100F, and the outside air passing over the intercooler is 70F, that's a pretty major difference.
Remember, yes ambient is ambient but you're CREATING higher than ambient temp from the engine running.
You're cooling HOT ambient air with cooler ambient air. X +/- Y no longer = 0.
Haven't you ever monitored your IAT sensor(s) against ambient air? They can be radically different.
Dang dude pulled upto pfi for a tune running an interfooler
He should bought some dry ice for that thing lol
What a cooler, must have felt silly when Brent asked what turbo or charger you got ?? Lol
So interesting to see those differences! 10/10 quality content as always 💪💪
Haven't seen Todd in a LONG time. Good to see him around!!
Everyone has gotta learn one way or another, but great job Brent!
I love your channel and I enjoy every car that you guys work in the dyno..
Apopka Florida..
I'm learning a lot with ur guys in work on my 19 accord 2.0 T
Nice addition with the A/F screen! Awesome content guys
lmao pretty much every bolt on thing you can do,without actually making any power
Thanks for the info and hang out! Good wrap to my long day!
Great video to start off my Sunday afternoon
I've actually wondered the same thing about running a intercooler without boost. Thanks pfi for the new to me info...
Aaron Vanfossen you wondered if ambient air would be useful in cooling ambient air temp?
@@typedrew I'm actually confused by your statement. As the video shows running a intercooler with no forced injection is a loss of horsepower
@@a.j.vanfossen4789 that's what hes getting at. intercoolers use the ambient air to cool very hot air of turbochargers. NA the air is near ambient temperatures meaning it cant be cooled much if at all.
Anyone else notice the difference in MAP after interfooler?
Before it Was ~8lbs
After it was ~5lbs
She sure sounded nice after removing the restriction. Great job tuning PFI & thanks for the video!
Its crazy that installing a intercooler without any force induction behind it can seriously hinder power gains lol. That is awesome Brent!! You are seriously a BEAST ASS TUNER!! God bless you bro.
Well its like installing a smaller TB on the car and creating restrictions.
@@duanebailey6253 depending because remember that F1 engines come with restrictor plates and they still make power around that. Even if you have a 60mm throttle body if you make the intake manifold behind the throttle body like a velocity stack you will see gains off of it. There are ways to go around having a smaller throttle body. That intercooler was just restricting the air flow extremely badly. It's more like trying to breathe threw a coffee mixing straw you will struggle HARD!!
that was cool but D16 single cam 500hp now thats cool.
you guys should check out d-serious if you think that 500hp d was cool
To bad it broke literally the next day lol
Just broke an axle
There’s been lots of 1000whp d series over the years . For a fully built turbo d16 500 is expected
william telford soon to be my fate 🤘🏻
The shop is a rock’n! Really good stuff. 🤘
That's Radass Brent! Goes to show you that a great tuner can make some delicious jam! Keep on brother.
I love the look on Brent's face when he's perplexed !
Brent is bleeding positive energy, always so stoked to do Honda stuff. Love this channel.
Thanks for sharing this, proving it once and for all.
So how many people here remember back in the day the front mount intakes NOPI use to sell lol. You're an old school import guy if you remember those gems making the rounds back in the day lol
Man I saw those all the time back in the early 2000's on civics and alike! Just don't get why they would wanna soak their filter anytime any water is present
Wasn't it made by Arospeed or some shit? lmao you're old as fuck if you remember this 😆😆😆
I still have one in my garage actually!!
@@steverowan4278 lol hold on to it. May be one of those things that's worth money 20 years later lol
@@mazdaspeedjay Oh it's one of those things I just can't get rid of!!
"no wonder I was losing to SingleCams!"
😂😂😂
Please o please show me some Sho'Nuff soon, can't wait to see that thing rip, gonna be tough to beat leroys new setup but I have faith 🙏🙌😇
Would love to see Brent and Nads from Hoonigans have a Honda Afternoon, would learn so much
Great vid broskies
Deff my motivation for this year I still can’t stress enough how Brent in my opinion is the only tuner that always wants the best for his customers vehicles much respect to you for that brother
Pretty blown away! Makes you wonder how efficient it is when boost is applied.
Man i love u guys u guys are motivation i love to see u guys smile and laugh makes me so glad
With the intercooler he still squeezed a good amount of power that alone was impressive but the face he made when the first run hit he was like "no way" great video
Great job as ALWAYS Brent 👍👍👍
Thank you! I have wondered if that would work or not for a long time!
That can crusher is bad ass, that type R came to life, sounds killer too
Jayme, Brinit and Chawn you guys are the best and friendliest tuners in the homer brewed back yard cats out there, SHO-NUF!!!! Hugs Bro's
Ik this is an old video but I just think it’s crazy seeing people so excited to make 140hp. Now I havnt messed with 4cyls go fast but y’all are inspiring me to buy an old beater and turbo it. Just wish I knew more about 4cyls. Although I’m learning a lot from you guys.
Loving the channel broski!! ✌🏼
i have owned 2 yonaka exhausts 1 on my 97 civic lx that i did a mini head swap to and the other id my 90 crx with a b20b under the hood. A lot of people bag on yonaka because they think theyre garbage parts but i honestly love they way their cat backs sound
Brent knows the score guys if it has wheels and a engine, he will take it to his max and Always get it right. im just gutted im in the uk or mine would be there thats how much i trust his judgment
Teamviewer & Skype mate anything is possible
You live and you learn, mistakes we all make them one time or another. Glad to see this build live up to its potential and be way more exciting to drive, now all it needs is a little forced induction 😁 and a turbo setup would be a match made in heaven for what's already under the hood.
I sure wished I wasn't 18 hours away, my big turbo SRT4 is about to be finished soon and will be needing a tune. Love the channel and seeing the occasional SRT4 videos as well.
Fuel 'N Spool I would say towing it to them would be worth it at that distance
@@t1bud42 You're absolutely right, I've seen what Jamie can do with his and his friends neons and I know he'd be my best bet. Unfortunately I can't afford to tow it out there, pay for the tuning, then pay to tow it back. I'm a disabled vet on limited income.
how to make your k20 become b16 without swaping the engine: install interfooler
Dude that shit went to a d16-d15 😂
I miss my rsX type s I still want another one
Sure sounds a lot nicer when it's allowed to breathe.
Wish I lived closer to PFI 😭
Questchaun samzies
Brent you are the coolest dude. Your smile is infectious and the passion you have for cars inspires me. Thanks buddy!
looking at that blue rsx really makes me miss my old blue EP3
I plan on getting an rsx in ths next few years. Pretty attainable car not very expensive lots of support.
Great way to show why bolt ons do so much for the K series. So important to replace the TB and some manifolds.
Ehhhh didnt make much power with all those bolts ons on the car, the gains were pretty disappointing..
Its a rolling road not a hub dyno mate.. its making decent power
That's some GOOD NA POWER!
Sounds so nice at high revs
Love the RAD poster!
Watching intently making 163hp walk away for a second
and there's what looks like a hood dump and it's making 226hp WTF
had to rewind to figure out what happened.
Choked down intake with the interfooler
👍👍 from this guy
Good to see Todd hanging out again (Y)
I was literally just wondering this exact question !
Brent seems like a really cool guy.
Love your channel and videos! Very instructional and entertaining! I didn’t know anything about import motors, and after watching about 60-70 videos. I think I might be able to build an engine. Referring to videos as I go of course! I used to hate little cars that were loud, I thought they just had loud exhaust, now I know they might have 1000 horsepower motor to match the sound of the exhaust. You changed my opinion about imports! I have a 67 VW but I think I will keep it stock. Can I do anything with a Mercedes 300/CE? It is a 6 cylinder naturally aspirated engine.
That “Rad” movie poster is awesome. 👍🏽
I was genuinely curious about how this would work, but after reading some forum posts it became clear an intercooler is only gonna cool the air to the same temperature as the ambient temp, or in other words, not at all. its interesting to see that it saps this much power from an NA engine
Dude that's the most awesomeness can crusher ever
Always inspiring thank you friends
Was up brother u a good person bro, showing everybody ur magic that's bad ass
Hm never saw this post , but I'm glad someone was wondering the same thing as me
You guys should get a high definition projector to screen your dyno readings. You have plenty of room, you could project a 120 inch screen if you wanted and then you would never struggle to see your readings again. Plus that would be fucking sick. Haha awesome video man keep up the great content!!!
BRENT WAS WORRIED LIKE WTF? WHY ISNT THING HITTING 200'S HAHAHA I COULD SEE IT ON YOUR FACE.
VTEC Sounds so good ! Thank you Brent Jaime for sharing. You guys rock!🤘🏼
Man Brent is one cool dude
I miss my type s engine sounds hella good , good ol vtec
I was wondering what happened to Todd, glad to see hes still around
Nice Oregon sweatshirt!
Ricer myth: adding an intercooler can help n/a engines with other mods.
PFI Speed: Myth busted.
Thats pretty beast for bolt ons only....
Brent the gopro on your window. Order a purple panda lavalier mic off Amazon for 10 bucks. It makes an absolute world of difference. You wont have to mess with the audio levels as much. Another great vid from yall btw!
Perfect !
@@PFIBrent (Edit: just realized price went up to 40 for them but it's a good mic and tiny.)just make sure you get the one with the correct audio port for the gopro. Cords long enough you could clip it under your shirt while walking and talking as well! Much love for yall. Have a good sunday!
He has a hero 5 up I think that’s for the older hero’s ? Unless he wants to run the GoPro module ! But yes audio would be better
@@IMRgarage good call. I've got the 4 and it works great for vlogging/ skiing. I'm sure theres another cheapo one that would work well though!
I have been curious about this for a while
Buckle up! When Brent wears his PFI Speed Coke shirt, your guaranteed +60 Hp
🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗 nice catch on that interfooler...at it again boiz. Cheers
Would be really interesting to test the difference between an intake with a bell mouth and a straight pipe.
That is quite the gain holy crap!
You guys should use all of the crushed cans for the next "Dyno Shoot!"
Its funny.. I ran an intercooler on my partial turbo build when it was na and the car took a major performance hit..
Since turbod I definitely notice a hit in the low end.. I'm going to install a y pipe with a check valve after the intercooler. (Ordered part an hour ago).
This will allow the engine to get air on the low end at part throttle and hopefully restore some throttle response...
Thanks for the video.
Thank u so much for this video!!!!!
Love the shirt btw! I've either gained some more weight in Budweiser over the winter or they run a little slim. Had to order a second one next size up 😂
9000's Only wash mine in cold water inside out and just fluff dry. Heat shrinks em
That was interesting , Hey Brent your audio was a bit low couldn't make out what you were saying while you were in the car keep doing your thing bro.
Im proud to say i was here before 10k subs
I want to get your information so I can bring my 2006 honda civic si tuned there. Its stock for now, nothing crazy. Getting Hondata soon and just want to learn more about what my engine needs so I can enjoy the car for more years to come. God bless!
Love the can crusher!
I always wonder if this would do anything different. Good to know. Now do a stock vs aftermarket CAI.
dude that shirt looks awesome
Damn i thought the intercooler would act as a cold air intake not a cat 😂