Glad to know you pulled the trigger on this one! I'm still waiting for this in the mail and compare it with the 1.0 that I have. I still have the latch hooks from my 1.0 for the smith machine part so I'll be adopting those to the 2.0 since they are not shipping those hooks anymore. Overall it's a very simple design and it works great so I highly recommend!
I'm with you on that. Although I am cognizant now more than ever that I only want modular parts that I'm actually going to use and don't take up much space. Thanks for watching man as always. I do have to ask how the training is going?
@hybridresistance It was going good for a while there, but then we've been remodeling a room at home with sanding, staining, painting etc. Kinda been wiping me out, but looking to get back on track
I wasn't following the company for awhile since I reached out to them months ago (literally didn't expect I was going to receive this), so the version 2 was a surprise to me. So I'm curious how long it's been available.
Version 2 is pretty new but the old version has been out for a while i would say. I didnt get the single handle for bench but got the dip bar assuming I can also use it for pressing @hybridresistance
Completely on board going with something like this over a permanent smith machine. Seems really nice to be able to use them independently for the isolated bench or shoulder press. It would be nice if they added an extra loop on top to attach a carabiner. It would also make it so you could turn it into a counter-balanced smith machine just by using the functional trainer stacks. Probably wouldn't counter balance perfectly but would be a nice addition. Not sure know why I haven't seen any companies do this with their all-in-ones that are integrated with a non-counter balanced smith machine.
Definitely. If I was doing it all over again, this would have me reconsider a few things. But very happy and satisfied with how it works with my x15 setup.
I think something to hook it from the starting position is a must. I don’t need it to mimic the VTS where it can go into every hole, but just a hook to rest on a hitch pin would be fine. Also have you tried do a smith machine hack squat variation where you put some force against the bar? Do you think it could handle that kind of force?
thanks for the comment Steven. I did a bunch of variations with squats and actually prefer what I believe you're referring to which is having my feet and legs more in front and essentially leaning against the bar. And yes, it felt fine. Something else I didn't mention is also because of the design of this, the weight feels much heavier that traditional smith machines for better or worst.
Thanks for the video, been curious about this for a while. It seems like there would be some degree of binding/friction when used with a barbell since you’re pushing on an axis that’s offset from the rollers. The VTS has rollers on all four sides to get around that issue. The VTS Lite only has front and back rollers which is supposedly why it can’t be used with the isolateral handles. This design is just rotated 90 degrees yet they claim it works with both setups. Did you notice it being less smooth or binding with the barbell compared yo handles? Seems like it would be most likely to cause problems with a smith hack squat where you put your feet out front and lean back into the bar. You would be pushing the flat lip of the rollers back against the upright.
Thanks for the comment and question. I mentioned this in another comment, but doing more of a hack squat variation (I think there's a brief clip of that in the video), I honestly didn't notice anything while performing the exercise. Granted I haven't had this thing long, but as of now there's really no issues with how it performs, especially with how it glides from various positions.
Thanks for your comments. We noticed that when designing TS 2.0, it's true that the smoothness when performing squats is not as good as with the bench press. but the difference is very tiny.
before i bought dialed motion i looked hard at the syl set. then they stopped using the smith machine hook because of bulletproof patent (still not sure how i feel about all these patents). also not crazy about hiking into upright holes (scratches or damage) then they had a bad weight limit- also i'm about to watch your video so maybe you'll cover this stuff- but i've not seen any reviewers load more than 40 pounds plus a bar i assume it's a 45 pound bar now on with the show- i'll reply with thoughts after watching
ah looks like you're pressing 205, that's surprising think i'll be waiting to see if dialed comes out with something similar. i would only use a smith on recovery days or when dealing with old fart issues. still like the retractable cord on the dialed one and the capacity but it's substantially more and probably made in the same factory lol
I didn't mention it I the video, but given the design, weight on this will feel heavier than your normal smith machine. I also don't think I'd use this for "heavy days" regardless.
Yes, that's what I'm using. If you brace hard with a lot of weight, it will move, but I've found with moderate weight that most can control, it works great locking in your legs.
@@hybridresistance interesting. I think I'll give it a shot instead of buying dual leg rollers. If the crunch attachment doesn't work for lat pulldowns, it still works as an ab piece, so no real loss. Thanks for your reply.
Just scanned the video, saw you started squatting from the bottom position- I guess there is a patent issue and it can't use hooks...fine for most things but would make squatting really tough
Yes, I think I slightly allude to that in the video, but I can't confirm. They do have (or had) work arounds for it. I had a whole segment that I edited out (for the sake of brevity) about my initial concern about how the "pin" vs hook would work from this company. My main concern was if the pin would potentially damage the rollers (on the version 1). With this new version, as I address in the video, I really had no functional problems just starting and stopping in the low position. And in some ways, some might prefer it as it's one less thing to take on and off.
For sure and that's what I was honestly wondering would be an issue when I first saw it. For me though, I'd honestly say I'd take this design over having to also set up the hooks. With all the assessors I have, I'm really gravitate to the ones that take the least amount of time to set up.
we are truly living in the golden era of home gym equipment lol
Amen to that.
Great review as usual Mike. You are an absolute beast at unilateral rows
Thanks Mark, always appreciate you brother.
Glad to know you pulled the trigger on this one!
I'm still waiting for this in the mail and compare it with the 1.0 that I have. I still have the latch hooks from my 1.0 for the smith machine part so I'll be adopting those to the 2.0 since they are not shipping those hooks anymore. Overall it's a very simple design and it works great so I highly recommend!
Thanks man, watched your original V1 a few times to decide if I should try these. Interested to hear what you think
TIL that a Smith machine setup isn't an all or nothing! Did not know these products even existed - always love when something is modular
I'm with you on that. Although I am cognizant now more than ever that I only want modular parts that I'm actually going to use and don't take up much space. Thanks for watching man as always. I do have to ask how the training is going?
@hybridresistance It was going good for a while there, but then we've been remodeling a room at home with sanding, staining, painting etc. Kinda been wiping me out, but looking to get back on track
I literally purchased mine 2 days ago lol cant wait
I wasn't following the company for awhile since I reached out to them months ago (literally didn't expect I was going to receive this), so the version 2 was a surprise to me. So I'm curious how long it's been available.
Version 2 is pretty new but the old version has been out for a while i would say. I didnt get the single handle for bench but got the dip bar assuming I can also use it for pressing @hybridresistance
Nice piece of kit
Thanks for watching Darius.
Completely on board going with something like this over a permanent smith machine. Seems really nice to be able to use them independently for the isolated bench or shoulder press. It would be nice if they added an extra loop on top to attach a carabiner. It would also make it so you could turn it into a counter-balanced smith machine just by using the functional trainer stacks. Probably wouldn't counter balance perfectly but would be a nice addition. Not sure know why I haven't seen any companies do this with their all-in-ones that are integrated with a non-counter balanced smith machine.
Excellent points all around David. You might have just given some companies some ideas. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
Mind. Blown. 🤯
Thanks for watching
Mike - I am wondering if the trolleys are snug enough to clear the cables on the inside of my posts; they are about a 1/2 from the post.
I suppose it’s still less cost and less space than a smith machine/shoulder press machine/lat pulldown machine. Pretty cool nifty little thing
Definitely. If I was doing it all over again, this would have me reconsider a few things. But very happy and satisfied with how it works with my x15 setup.
I think something to hook it from the starting position is a must. I don’t need it to mimic the VTS where it can go into every hole, but just a hook to rest on a hitch pin would be fine.
Also have you tried do a smith machine hack squat variation where you put some force against the bar? Do you think it could handle that kind of force?
thanks for the comment Steven. I did a bunch of variations with squats and actually prefer what I believe you're referring to which is having my feet and legs more in front and essentially leaning against the bar. And yes, it felt fine. Something else I didn't mention is also because of the design of this, the weight feels much heavier that traditional smith machines for better or worst.
Thanks for the video, been curious about this for a while. It seems like there would be some degree of binding/friction when used with a barbell since you’re pushing on an axis that’s offset from the rollers. The VTS has rollers on all four sides to get around that issue. The VTS Lite only has front and back rollers which is supposedly why it can’t be used with the isolateral handles.
This design is just rotated 90 degrees yet they claim it works with both setups. Did you notice it being less smooth or binding with the barbell compared yo handles? Seems like it would be most likely to cause problems with a smith hack squat where you put your feet out front and lean back into the bar. You would be pushing the flat lip of the rollers back against the upright.
Thanks for the comment and question. I mentioned this in another comment, but doing more of a hack squat variation (I think there's a brief clip of that in the video), I honestly didn't notice anything while performing the exercise. Granted I haven't had this thing long, but as of now there's really no issues with how it performs, especially with how it glides from various positions.
Thanks for your comments. We noticed that when designing TS 2.0, it's true that the smoothness when performing squats is not as good as with the bench press. but the difference is very tiny.
before i bought dialed motion i looked hard at the syl set.
then they stopped using the smith machine hook because of bulletproof patent (still not sure how i feel about all these patents). also not crazy about hiking into upright holes (scratches or damage)
then they had a bad weight limit- also i'm about to watch your video so maybe you'll cover this stuff- but i've not seen any reviewers load more than 40 pounds plus a bar i assume it's a 45 pound bar
now on with the show- i'll reply with thoughts after watching
ah looks like you're pressing 205, that's surprising
think i'll be waiting to see if dialed comes out with something similar. i would only use a smith on recovery days or when dealing with old fart issues.
still like the retractable cord on the dialed one and the capacity but it's substantially more and probably made in the same factory lol
I didn't mention it I the video, but given the design, weight on this will feel heavier than your normal smith machine. I also don't think I'd use this for "heavy days" regardless.
Do any of these attachments work with 5/8" inch holes?
I would say no, but I'd emailing them.
Side note: were you using the ironmasters crunch accessory to hold your legs during the lat pulldown? I was wondering if that was possible
Yes, that's what I'm using. If you brace hard with a lot of weight, it will move, but I've found with moderate weight that most can control, it works great locking in your legs.
@@hybridresistance interesting. I think I'll give it a shot instead of buying dual leg rollers. If the crunch attachment doesn't work for lat pulldowns, it still works as an ab piece, so no real loss. Thanks for your reply.
Just scanned the video, saw you started squatting from the bottom position- I guess there is a patent issue and it can't use hooks...fine for most things but would make squatting really tough
Yes, I think I slightly allude to that in the video, but I can't confirm. They do have (or had) work arounds for it. I had a whole segment that I edited out (for the sake of brevity) about my initial concern about how the "pin" vs hook would work from this company. My main concern was if the pin would potentially damage the rollers (on the version 1). With this new version, as I address in the video, I really had no functional problems just starting and stopping in the low position. And in some ways, some might prefer it as it's one less thing to take on and off.
How much full system ?
I don't all the optional parts are made yet. It would be pricey to get everything. I think it's more about piecing what you want.
I have a powertec power rack. Someone knows if it will fit my rack ? 😉
I would just check the dimensions and email the company about it. I'm sure they'd get back to you.
Issue is the starting position is always at the lowest point.
For sure and that's what I was honestly wondering would be an issue when I first saw it. For me though, I'd honestly say I'd take this design over having to also set up the hooks. With all the assessors I have, I'm really gravitate to the ones that take the least amount of time to set up.
@ bench would be ok but heavy squat from the bottom position is a killer 😂
Excellent 🔥
thank you