SaltEMike Reacts to The Letter from the Chairman Star Citizen 4.0's "Release"
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Another year with moved goalposts?
Color me shocked.
‘Pretend it’s live, live’ Spin from Bob in marketing.
lmao i dont care about rewards as long as there are wipes :) lmao live yea the PTU is live lmao, but tbh, CIG is like a submarine with holes in it and the captain is ordering the crew to to patch up the holes to make sure the submarine does not sink
So what should they say then? They said is preview.. what do you want here?
bro, the EPTU came into existence because of 3.18 and for good reason. But I guess if they didn't do the EPTU, you would just get angry every game breaking 3.18type patch that came out right? Dumb comment.
Pre watch: Is it time for me to start playing again?
After watch: No...
Maybe try, it’s the same buggy mess it’s always been. I have fun with friends sometimes. I don’t play solo. It’s too awful. Elite Dangerous is better in that it works better.
absolutely not. There is no content in this game, even with this patch.
Still n ocontent
They expect you to RP for content
wait for at least 4.1
Even just flying sucks now, so no.
4.0 was already 4.0 light smh
4.0 light lite
Dont forget that CIG was confident they would hit a summer release. 4.0 is late lite.
Take one out of heyitsnicks book
They can rug pull on a game, it’s not crypto and it’s EXACTLY what they would have done by now because they’re not getting any more major funding so they’re just making the game shit till no one plays it and they can resolve the company while Chris and his cronies took way more than they should
The difference is persistence not content
its fun to watch CR try to do damage control/cope/gas light/and whisper sweet lies.
They gutted 4.0 and STILL missed the release date.
idk, it seems released to me
@mebrian5728 oh nice, how many hours have you played 4.0 until you found some bug?
expected really, "its Alpha".
@@4mazingZarek So now it's not that it's released, it's that 4.0 had to launch bug-free? We call this pushing the goal posts.
@mebrian5728 its now a preview....of course its not released ...my point is they removed a LOT of the features for 4.0 and then STILL managed to only release what they now call a Preview. I dont think this was controversial opinion...
4.0 was meant to release with much much more content than it did like at least 60% was gutted@mebrian5728
The exponential decline of my faith in CIG tho.....reaching all time lows bois.
I remember visiting the game in 2020 and thinking it must be awesome and getting close. I played, it lacked any content really so i waited years. I come back every year to check in and now coming back almost 5 years later the actual gameplay added feels so minimal. Cig delivers art and environments but it just doesn't feel like a game to me yet and it's been long enough. Tldr My faith is low too
@@cm16533my faith isn't low in them to deliver, it's just my faith to get anything in any meaningful timeframes. They get stuff done, but slowly. But also playing devils advocate for a sec, most gameplay stuff they pretty much always said we need server meshing first, which we are kinda getting/about to get.
+1 to this. They claim they discuss internally between shipping content or adding stability. We have none!
All they do is talk about it but not actually DO it
This was the right move. This lets people play 4.0 who want to, lets them skirt the failed launch of a broken patch, lets them have their sale event for christmas, lets them hit a deadline...
This is literally the best of both worlds that wasnt them delaying the patch, and imagine how much better the game would have been if this was the process for 3.18 and every other patch?
It’s not the right move, it’s like giving someone half a fence and saying isn’t it better than no fence? Ignoring the fact that the fence should have been completed for the deadline. What’s better than this ? Completing the task on time.
They should have pushed it back and suffered the consequences.
There will be no pleasing this segment of the community.. period. This channel exists for the half full perspective. On brand. But they will keep on playing the game waiting for the 'gotcha' moment.. just like Mike said. Its a need to be right.
@Eagle6Airsoft no, it's giving people the ability to choose if they want a fence that's not necessarily going to be a good fence right away but will eventually get there, or if they would rather wait until the fence is good before they get it.
@@ThreeGoddesses it’s releasing it for the sake of crowd pleasing a few people playing to placate them during a time when people have time off, while sacrificing everything else. How much development time was wasted trying to fix bugs instead of doing desperately needed refactors, because you wanted to play something new now… This whole thing is 10 years late because idiots demanded something to play right now. They should have skipped trying to hit a Christmas deadline and kept the devs on refactors and feature development.
@Eagle6Airsoft people who fix bugs are generally not the same people doing the bulk of game loop development. Your perspective is flawed because you assume that key devs drop whatever they are doing at the moment to fix bugs. The truth is, they don't.
"You can't have your cake and eat it too."
"I reject your reality and substitute my own." -CIG
You can't do Adam Savage dirty like that
Letter from Chairman:
"We sorry... we do better next year. Promise!"
We held the line / Chris isn’t always on time /
I feel this is how they skirted around Berks' "there is only one 4.0 launch" statement
Who is Berks?
@SpearHead1011 Another streamer that thinks he's more important than he really is..
Marketing does what marketing does, spin it to win it.
Mike reacted to berks' statement about a week ago, felt it was relevant.
They can pretend they only had one launch, but for the people jumping on it, it's the real launch. They can twist the words and definitions all they want, doesn't change reality.
TLDR; We didn't do enough work too busy counting the money from Idris sales, Polaris Sales & Counting the IAE Sales.
More of the same, Basic content broken, Land Elevators broken can't sell Weevil Eggs, Can still phase through planet, Boxes unable to snap to delivery location, Some Bunker boxes not spawning, ETC
They still expect you to RP for content, Can't win with CIG . .
Missions and hangars were broken within an hour unfortunately
They were broken for weeks, months, years depending on what exactly you mean. I don't think this is new. 80% of missions like delivery and investigation never worked. Tons of people not getting out their hangars or into their hangars has consistently been around as long as I've been playing.
+ server error constantly
@@snoopymccloud1875 Yes very well aware unfortunately lol. I just meant on this build specifically
oh man im soooo not going to waste disc space on this thx for the heads-up.
yep i was in queue then skipped. I know exactly what is happening here they rushed out a release to reach the numbers before 2025 by having a chance to sell the guardian.
Let's be honest, there was no way CIG wasn't going to release 4.0 before the year end, even if that meant shoving it out the door, which they're kinda doing. What we ended up with (the dual live environments) is probably the best case scenario
They promise to improve every year, in every chairman letter and citcon. And then they fail to do it every year.
2025, the playablility year? Believe it when you see it in the game.
This is an open PTU, not a release. If they're going to miss yet another milestone, they could at least not lie to us about it.
difference between this and open ptu is that your progress in this 4.0 preview will carry over since this build will be renamed LIVE and 3.24 will be discontinued and not updated anymore.
No. it's two live builds being released together.
In an Eptu, you can Copy your character, you get lots of UEC, your progress is reset at each patch.
This is an Two Live builds with the 4.0 one being incomplete and still with a lot of issues.
But it is by no means an PTU build.
Open ptu - with progression
This letter is pure gaslighting 😂
no ship sales = they'll maybe listen to the players.
You can't jump to bounty targets atm, hand flying 300km and it doesn't spawn, fun
ahhh just like the good ol days. Can't wait till they take away nav mode and you can only travel 300 m/s
@@poposterous236 *250 m/s
Slow down there champ
works fine for me
Working as intended
Works fine. Some bounty targets you never could jump to. Other locations you have to zoom out a bit on the map to get the location marker under the mission marker
32hrs per person per year. 0.0876 hrs per day per person (alittle over 5 min a day) 0.615 hrs per week per person (alittle over a half hour per week) 2.66 hrs a month (alittle over 2 and a half hours a month)
Not much play time since streamers make up most of this time. Normal players have a VERY small part in those hours. I would guess each streamer would play approximately (just guessing probably higher) about 2 hrs a day and play maybe 5 days. 10hrs a week playing the game per streamer would take the place of 16 people. Now times that by how many streamers main this game. Starting to sound like only streamers are playing right now.
I played today for 5 minutes, in Pyro; bugged & laggy as hell; I'll be back in 6 months! Maybe, for more 5-10 minutes "gameplay"...
That's more time played in an early access alpha than most flagship AAA game campaigns get. Sounds pretty good to me.
@@CitizenScott I think numbers are low, but my opinion. I know when I sit down to play a game it is more then one night for 5 min. Most games that people are into (actively playing) get more time then 30 min a week. I want this game to be good, but I also watch the streamers more then I play. I haven't played in a year, but watch Mike's "Week in Review" each week. Once they make a stable release to live there will be more action. Base building is a feature that needs to be working on release to LIVE.
I would love to see the mean value. I bet the average is heavily inflated by those few with hundreds or even thousands of hours...
Although, its not that difficult to get 32 hours. Thats like what you required to get one mission working...
Salty mike vids are real. Then you go to space tomato and he is like "CIG, HAS MADE AMAZING ADVANCES IN SC! Yes, there are a few issues but look at what we are go make get, soon."
But they can just re-brand it as an Elevator Sim and everything will be good right? I mean, realistic elevators is what we all wanted to play anyway right?
The elevator barely works 😂
@ but they are so realistic, unlike the space physics, or orbital physics, or gravity, or game economics, or ship layouts, or weapon damage, or space suits, or buildings, or hospitals, or …. AT LEAST WE HAVE REAL ELEVATORS… All hail Elevator Citizen.
@@ClayBellBrewsfuniest part is that even the elevators move sideways and diagonally so they’re not even real elevators
32 hours in game on average waiting for trains and elevators.
@@YoruWasTakenalso funny is that at the beginning of elevators they said they want to have a simulation and elevators are running along true logical shafts and tunnels. Gradually they made elevators going faster and faster as it needed too long. Today I would say it‘s close to warping - exactly what they wanted to avoid at the beginning.
Chris states he is a gamer. How many hours has he tested SC in the last 12 years? Just flying around, enjoying himself? He is a gamer, right? He has not gamed for 12 years? Only at demo days Chris picks up a stick?? Funky. ...'hidden bugs'..
In the letter Chris also mentions 32 million hours played this year. That is a 30% drop from 2022 playtime (which was 46 million hours as per the Chairman letter for that year). New citizen account creation at the CIG website have also dropped 50% from 871,922 accounts in 2022 to 466,611 in 2024
Arguably the most important SC tech was released in this patch. Let’s go!!! 🎉
Absolutely. Just like all the most important tech patches that came before, and all the ones to come after!
Only took them 5 years to get it half way working
All I want to hear Chris promise is that they're going to focus on getting SC to "release" before starting development on SQ42: Part 2, once Part 1 launches. It has always irked me that money 'pledged' for SC assets has heavily gone towards SQ42, with the promise of trickle down features/content to SC.
They cannot make absolute promises with game development. Even if they do what you ask they will not meet your expectations because they are not grounded in the reality of game dev. The community doesn't get this when the entire video game business is in the same boat and people now have unrealistic expectations.. only a few games seem to be accepted and everything else gets crapped on.. Group thinkers and streamers complaining ad nauseam. And none of them are making the games just arm chair coaching cause they know better. SMH. Its easy - stop complaining and funding the game and go play something else. BTW SQ42 was part of the package to be funded, and so... if you didnt catch that.
You are not the only one. I feel it's borderline fraud.
Youll be extatic once the reality of what soulsinger is comes to light.
That's shamless.
Releasing a not finished patch about a not finished game. It's a totally butchered, but at least they can sell their underwhelming, but good looking, heavy fighter...
I dont know what to think about it anymore, other that's it's shitty at every levels.
Feature mission system, content 10 new missions. Feature furniture placement in your hanger, content 50 new tables, chairs, couches.
features are functions, Content is application
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to think SC is falling apart for real this time.
Hangar doors and hangars in general still having issues. QT still having issues, dropping you 250km from destination.
Content is adding new material (missions, lore, random encounters, activities, etc.) to an already existing set of gameloops and features that support them.
A Feature is a new "thing" the game can do or you can do in the game. A feature is something that can support content or involves changing existing the content because that feature now exists.
Just explaining as simple as I can.
Game needs to be better before I drop anymore money. I haven't in numerous years.
why would you drop more money, you can buy stuff in game :) of course you loose it again after a wipe but well it wont cost you a thing lol
@nemesisone8927 tell that to the millions cig makes on ships. Don't think people got your memo yet.
I’ll check back in a year or two…
I really like that CIG did pretty much exactly what I suggested in my Spectrum Post back on December 7th "Star Citizen 4.0 Release Date"
Welcome to luminalia everyone where we celebrate the annual CIG tradition of moving the goalposts.Amazing how even with all the delayed features and reduced scope the patches still get delayed. CIG's also the only MMO I've played going back to 2001 where the zone servers were so unstable that crash recovery was needed, even for way more total servers than CIG has going.
1) this game isn't an "MMO" with only 100 people per server.
2) This game isn't remotely released.. So comparing it to finished games doesn't count.
3) its a very much work in progress.
@@Cramblit yes Star Citizen is an MMO or at least is trying to be, and yes the project is still WIP, I find it telling how you managed to make a "point by point" response but only picked a minute detail of his 3 sentence comment and ignored the rest
@Stormyy6310Cramit is a fanboi
@@briananderson4032 oh I see, so he's one of those "not so white not so knight" people defending a multimillion dollar corporation that engages in scummy marketing practices...
@@briananderson4032 oh I see, so he's one of those "not so white not so knight" people defending a multi-million dollar corpo that engages in shady and scummy marketing practices...
14:32 Base Building is a new feature, Salvage missions are new content.
Jumped in a few hours ago and play excellent for a good hour before I had to log out, tbh I stop playing before even on 3.xx because it was unplayable for me, this is the first time in a log wail I actually had fun, was able to do bounty missions, however I do not see investigation on missions on my session, which are my favorite.
I was actually going to post they do exactly what they did! but I thought they would never do it but they did, I am surprised! It's the best move other than delaying it till this spring and this lets them do a large server meshing test which can serve them well as they can see all the remaining bottlenecks in a real environment. Its extremely important that they get the server bottlenecks out of the way and get the servers running rock solid before adding all kind of other content.
How I currently "play" Star Citizen: 1. I log in; 2. I start the game; 3. I try it get up from the bed; 4. I fall through the floor/crash/etc.; 5. See you in 3 months; 6. repeat.
I played for a couple hours this morning and the only things that were funky were inventory was finicky...but worked, and jumping to Tressler still sends you 100+ off to the side. Gameplay was very good, FPS was good, NPC's were good. For me, 3.24.3 was broken. I could not use my personal hanger to store or call ships...most of 3.24 was like that. I'm glad they did what they did...at least I can move forward instead of playing in an environment that will be wiped soon.
I couldn't even get to my hanger, the damn elevator wouldn't even work. This has happened the last two days.
So 4.0 is still in the PTU but they renamed it to PREVIEW LIVE, besides the other LIVE. Ok... so they didn't make it to get it live in 2024
But it gives enough cope to everyone to pretend like they did.
No it is live but there are two live environments now.
@@jful The difference between live and calling it live. It isn't as long as it is not on Live-live
They didn't want to give everyone 4.0 and then leave on holidays, so they kept the stable version running too so you can revert to the stable version if 4.0 is terrible for you and it will also strategically split the playerbase to not push server meshing to far.
Another thought i had is that they are no refactoring the missions, but for Server meshing to run, they had to remove them or the game would have to keep track of too much data.g
@@nebulajumper6216 That is perfectly fine and smart to do instead of putting it live, but calling it live is the think I don't like.
Did they fix the FPS AI spawns yet? Last time I tried it was like playing vampire survivors going into an asteroid base. If you clear an area it needs to stay clear, at least for a little while.
I read "features holding up content" as we're stoked to be able to release ships consistently because we got good at that.
The survey that asked for what new ships we'd like... Honestly, I want to see the existing ships brought up to standard. I'd love for more gameplay with the existing ships...
I think this release have given be the most fun ive ever had in Star Citizen currently. Persistent hangar bugs is a bit annoying, but ive had consistent 3-4 hours jumping between Stanton and Pyro mining, refining, also doing trade runs between Stanton and Pyro without any issues at all. Consistent 30 server fps and great client performance. Both systems are crowded with players making the universe alive now with 500+ players. This is awesome!
wUt aBOuT gReiFerS fORcing gamEPlaY oN yOu?
Mike, what's are you talking about? Every event that has been done has been for PVP players, or PVP players have taken it over.
Phase 3 notable example, IDris breaking constantly cause dumb people capturing it.
thumbs up if u get login and run to hanger get bored and log off.
They should call it 3.99 or 99% of 4.0
One cent short. Lol
It’s not even 99% though. More like 50
These idiots never get held accountable for anything! I mean how could they release this garbage without the missions working properly? PoS DEVS
Early access is rough on people who don't understand that means that not everything is working properly.
If you want to hold them accountable stop playing the game or buying ships.
@@jameshanna8762 oh here we go again "its early access" "its alpha" bla bla
It’s CIG my brother.
@@ephalanx1sometimes, you have faith in people to do the right thing. Well… we forget it’s cig. I do believe that they could be on a slippery slope. The backers look to be getting tired of the shit. I am one of them.
I lost interest half way through the third paragraph. The letter was WAY too long and full of corporate double speak. Typical CIG bullshit of talking much and saying little.
"This means you'll have the unique opportunity to choose which version you want to dive into, at least for a little while."
Lol oh woo, thanks for the opportunity of a more confused mess, because you couldn't keep a deadline.
Tired of this bullshit.
I love how no matter how good of a decision they make there's still someone to complain about it
I guess he should have made a Tiktok from the Chairman to keep you interested.
@@Cplblue I don't watch tictoc and didn't lose interest because it was long form writing. I lost interest because it was typical corporate spinning that uses a lot of words to say nothing, and make you feel grateful for it. Its bullshit. Just because it is in written form and uses a lot of words, doesn't make it intelligent. Get off yourself.
@@ironwarrAnd some victims of abuse, still blame themselves. You're confusing good decision making with good PR. If they had good decision-making they wouldn't have missed two deadlines 6 months apart. Don't bullshit that having three servers now as opposed to two is somehow a clean and effective decision. The fact is they failed their delivery. It's okay to critique them from time to time, Santa will still love you.
@@BoBoZoBo As someone who's familiar with software development I'm not confused at all, this is how it works when it's open like this, delays are everywhere. Don't try to understand stuff you don't know about
Also. He didn't say "respectively" after listing the games, so the order of game doesn't matter. If you're being technical.
I for one am glad we lived to see the day. 4.0 has finally been released, server meshing has finally been finished, and everything you've pledged for (and more) has been delivered! Time to work on Soulsinger!
I got a super smooth an bug free session last night after it first hit preview, I'm sad more didn't have my luck.
Same here
I had a good day in 4.0 yesterday as well. Salvaged some panels and sold it, ran a bunker, a few ship bounties in the guardian, the cargo trial mission. Swapped to my alt and did a headhunters assassination mission. A few bugs, but they all had workarounds...for me
Chris does this "We promise to do better next time guys please buy these new ships!" every single year just it's 3 months early this year.
I'm going to assume that when CR says "content" vs "features", a feature is something like engineering, physicalized damage / maelstrom, dynamic server meshing, etc. and Content refers to missions, ships, and locations.
I'm a web dev, not a game dev, but an overly simplified difference in my world between content and features would be something like:
Content - Adding (selling) a new fighter, such as the Mirai Guardian (expanding what's in the game)
Features - Implementing Master Modes (overhauling/extending/adding to how you interact with the game)
Some things blur the line, and kind of hit both areas, especially when you look at it from the lens of "I cannot create content X within the game until feature Y has been implemented", but that's how I'd look at it.
26:01 No, Mike. People, including CIG, who think this game will even be done, is deluding themselves. This game is all about breaking and testing the bleeding edge game environment. CIG needs to gamify the actual testing process. Players need to embrace what the game is now, not just what it will be. SC is the eternal Alpha.
Having hopped into PTU over a week of new patches, it was a fairly progressive development and was getting pretty close to a live state. Way more stable, but the mission refactor needed to be tested starting like a month earlier. Overall the performance and stability of the 4.0 preview is fine, but the broken content is a big stickler. I see this more as a time just to get used to navigating Pyro and the jump point in anticipation of the next major hotfix. Disappointing, it felt like we were so close.
I've just done a Stanton to Pyro jump and it wasn't as boring as I thought it was going to be. I felt like being on the outside of the TARDIS during a space and time journey. It reminded me a bit of the really old Alien game where you had to keep in to the approach box in order to progress.
For my bunker mission yesterday I was unable to draw my lethal weapons nor could I pick up bad dude’s weapons because according to the game I was in Armistice zone, however my ship weapons were live. I was left in confusion and ended up abandoning said mission 🤷🏻♂️
Cryptozoo has had more development progress than Star Citizen since 3.18. CIG Circle of Life: Overpromise, underdeliver, downplay/gaslight, retcon, repeat.
All I know is cryptozoo’s features making it a “real game” were always X + 1-2 years away. So is 1.0 and Squadron 42. Change my mind.
I genuinely don't understand how this isn't considered a failure. Only technically releasing 4.0 missing most of the features they claimed would be in over a year ago. They released it to say they did, even though they didn't, and to sell the guardian before the end of the year.
Why does this need to be black and white? They didnt even say 'we did it' and they acknowledge they didn't get it all in. Rarely with efforts of this magnitude do you get it all. It doesn't matter what is it.. video games, cars, houses, etc.. Typically, nothing you get is absolute. They haven't fixed all the bugs. Do they need to say 'we failed' then what would you say? It is what it is. And Mike is on brand here per his name.. glass half full.
Exactly. If this was any other startup with actual KPIs, it’d be an abject failure of their yearly goals
@@ephalanx1because this project has a structural systematic problem due to incompetent leadership from the beginning. Not pointing out to this would mean that there is not even a theory an option to solve this problem. Backers are investors and investors have the right to point out to obvious deficits.
@@19iason19 Pledging to a kick starter is not equal to an investor. Any start up will have problems and missteps. Especially with no template or model to follow. The game has no precursor. Every project has its failings. Bottom line, we are here now. So how long would you expect this dual game development to take?
@ crowd funding provides equity capital and by that backers are investors or investor-like. Yes, every project has failings. Therefore in business development project plans and business plans are expected. They provide usually projections of three to five years ahead. So far Chris Roberts failed to deliver every single milestone right in time. In a normal Venture Capital world but also in company internal project controlling such a desastrous project management or development management would have caused the replacement of the project leaders.
You asked how long i would expect development to take? Very easy answer: I can not tell you. But when you finance a project you listen to the people who apply for the funds and look at their plans. From there on you frequently check the plans and performances. Usually you allow in a good will scenario three major fails. At the first fail you say „shit can happen“, at the second fail you say „time to learn and make necessary adjustments“ and the third time you say „obviously the responsible persons are neither able to learn nor to show leadership“.
Chris Roberts failed how often? Far too often. And you see the usual effects: the good people who carry the idea get frustrated due to bad leadership and leave the project.
And by the way Chris Roberts proved the long term experiences regarding innovative projects: In the first phase you need the visionary mind who sets the goal regardless of probabilities. But as soon as the things get into routine development you need a true coordinator to take the lead. A person who is able to keep the overview and who is able to lead an organization with 1000 employees. The visionary mind stays on board but is embedded in a group of decision makers to keep him on track. This is not the case at CIG. And if you listen carefully to all the „Around the Verse“ and „ISC“ you very often hear quotes from people telling about Chris Robert‘s micro management which kills the process again and again.
14:12 Our definition of "content" versus "feature" is only a guess, as CIG hasn't made it clear. Having stated the obvious, I'll drop my thinking. "Content" is locales, storylines, and missions. "Features" are vehicles, in-game tech, and behind-the-scenes tech - ATLS, tractor beams, server meshing.
I'm glad they didn't delay it, this is an alpha so it's whatever, I want them to keep their word on making what we have playable in 2025 before adding more stuff.
1.0 launch needs to be delayed as much as needed so that doesn't launch with issues
I am playing since it dropped - i had no crash - one server error - no glitches - no bugs (but i might know my way around them yet) and amazing performance - and its shitloads of fun.
Who cares for 4.0 srsly. It's so buggy it feels all over 2.0 release again. Worst patch in CIG history. Nothing works, no elevator, no hangar, ship glitches, missions not working and much much more!!!
Currently, as it is, it's a waste of time 100% of the time when ''playing''.
Keeping both versions up was the right move. Those of us who are good to play 4.0 can do so, those of my friends who would rather let it cook a little longer can keep to the old version, everybody wins.
I feel sorry for some people who have encountered bugs, issues or performance hitting low. For me personally both the EPTU and the Preview have been amazing and honestly way better than 3.24.
The issue with SaltEMike's perspective is that he approaches Star Citizen as if it's a finished product with missing features and bugs, rather than viewing it as a game in development. He seems to forget that backers are essentially testers who invested in the game with the understanding that they're helping shape it for its eventual release.
features is "content"
but they mean it like this: another ship, gun or location that is made with present and tested tools provide at new "thing" in the verse to discover, use etc. BUT this is very unlikely to provide issues for the build as a whole since it is just things already in the arranged in a new way.
If you want to add things like fire-propagation, penetration, maelstrom etc. these are "features" that interact with existing systems and therefore can create unforeseen issues. Just because firepropagation works in a greybox development window does not mean it will transfer into the verse the same way a new location would just drop in.
The features versus content discussion drives me absolutely bonkers. I had to take a double take when they said that they were differentiating those two, because quite frankly that is pretty standard practice in software end systems development at an Enterprise level.
The differentiation is fairly clear. Features are what allow you to do things, content is what you do with them. Features are foundational, they are the rules that you develop your content around.
Putting an entertainment system with a server, TV, lights, and fantastic audio is a platform with multiple features. The content is all the video, music and lighting effects that are allowed by that platform and features.
NPC behavior and gameplay mechanics are features; the types of missions and events you can have around those features are the content. You're never going to have great content if your features are still in development and constantly changing.
It doesn't surprise me that they just figured this out. An alpha is generally a private and limited testing, completely disembodied from anything that resembles marketing and retail sales. And we all know CIGs own interpretation of what an alpha is.
Now we see how they've changed the definition of what a LIVE delivery standard is.
RE: Narrative - they need to beef up the "Gameplay" Content and Story telling elements with voice work and get out of the text realm so we can feel more immersed and involved with the game world during a "Save Stanton" event. It would be rad if the whole event kicked off with a "briefing" , then we had the chance to self-organize and elect our tasks, and then we got regular "briefing" updates along the way. We need NPCs we can interact with. We need the game to feel more alive.
GIG wants 4.0 in live so they can start building off of 4.0 in front of end users (and sell us the Guardian). We are the bulk QA. And with 4.0 live, all the dependent development on server meshing is finally unleashed. The "swiss"-style release train could really help us in 2025. Bug fixes, config changes, small features, etc live every 2 weeks? AWESOME. Big feature not ready? Goes to the next release, but everything else goes live.
The differentiation between new features and content is arbitrary in some way, but generally new content is something that follows established processes and guidelines and fills in more story with those available well tested procedures and guidelines.
A new feature on the other hand is a fundamental change in the core of those procedures, guidelines and generally well known and available processes for making said content mentioned above.
Generally, the idea is content can be pumped out with an existent toolset for example in a known amount of time, but if a core thing for something has to be added that changed the toolset and the whole procedure for making content then it's definitely a feature.
To make another example: Content is when you make some visual art with photoshop/gimp and a feature is when you change photoshop/gimp itself.
The main problem is when you constanly change your equivalent to photoshop/gimp for game development its really really hard to get into a good flow for making content with those toolsets due to the unstable nature of the whole situation.
i wish we would wipe every 6 months and work on the economy that way and it would put a pressure on making progressing fun
This is a great server implementation strategy, especially just before the holidays. Give the PVE crowd a place to do their thing, give the PVP crowd a place to test the new functionality. Roll into the preview environment as the PU in the new year after a patch or two.
The server doesnt determine pvp or pve... Its more: play 3.24 if you want stable game play with no progression. Or play 4.0 get progression but its more unstable. What you are talking about is pyro vs stanton and where a player chooses to explore
I’m good with the split live. This was a good compromise between release or no.
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"YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO SEE IT GO UP OR GO DOWN"
No shit, Sherlock. Nostradamus over here giving us the deep predictions.
"GUYS, I'M GOING TO FLIP A COIN AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT WILL EITHER LAND HEADS OR TAILS"
19:30 no you missunderstand it again. When freight elevator would not work ore be ready at the time then they would change the missions so that you dont need them ore they wouldnt even use a game mechanic thats not already in the game.
23:00 again narrative means more story, so more missions with a story line in some sense.
CIG actually did something l like. I literally said in Spectrum ages ago they should make accessing the PTU as easy as accessing live via the launcher.
So here's the big thing I think you missed about Features vs Content: New Ships are Content, not Features (unless it's got a new mechanic, like Refining, but not many new ones coming in anymore). So the real win we have with this plan is that we're not going to get a big feature, like hangars and cargo, rushed out to meet a ship sale. They'll drop the ships as needed (maybe with some other low-risk content like new missions and locations) and then give us the big features later when they're ready.
Chris Roberts was nice enough to give us numbers indicating that the average number of concurrent users (ACU) logged into Star Citizen at any one time this year was around 3700. To give an idea of how far CIG needs to go if Star Citizen becomes popular, EVE Online's ACU for 2024 was around 23,000, and that's not counting China. That's just the global Tranquility shard.
You gotta remember ALTS in eve I can’t even play eve without cyno + cap alt and main and my 3 account is in the low end for eve players
@@123brrqz And you have to pay for all those accounts, whether with PLEX or cash, right? To be successful, Star Citizen will need to pull in EVE-type numbers. CIG has pulled in twice the revenue as CCP Games over the last few years. They will at least need to match the amount of accounts logged in as well once 1.0 hits.
The TLDR of the email announcing the Guardian sale was "Pay to Win". And the QI version TLDR is "Pay to Win Against Big Ships"
I want to see them focus on getting all the systems ready for 1.0, including all Solar Systems . The save Stanton and all the other events need to be saved for its release later after its in a good space.
They need something Like a Stargate for humanoid travel to different planets and stations. Would let players easily join multiplayer games accross the universe. Different factions can guard and protect each gate.
Feature: Reputation system. Content: the reason to interact with the system.
As someone who has to deal with devOps quite frequently: the most likely reason why they didn't do this for 3.18 was that they most likely did not have the capability to do that, and in the past year major improvements to the build & deploy system have been made to give them this capability.
I suspect their "devOps" infrastructure looks a little like something that we would have called acceptable in 2012 when the project was launched . . . it just feels like everything is 100% dependent upon legacy code that anyone with any experience would call garbage, thus all of the problems because as we all know garbage in=garbage out
If your company makes promises, get funding as a result of said promises, then fail to deliver: You better fit the definition of scam.
No other company could get away with this with so little pushback. Imagine you order a Ford F350 Platinum after they advertise all its unique and next-gen features, then when an Economy Model F150 gets dropped off in your driveway imagine Ford tells you “Well yes we said if you paid us we’d deliver you an F350 Platinum, but we had some scheduling issues and some unforeseen technical difficulties so we had to switch you to the F150 Economy. No we will not give you a refund, you will simply have to wait until the F350 features you paid for comes out in an undisclosed future date, then at an even more distance undisclosed future date we will have enough of the features we sold you as “nearly finished” completely to finally start the assembly and design of the F350 Stock, with the platinum variant coming the following year!” Ford would be all over the news and tanking in stock within the quarter. CIG is a company that sells a rug, pulls it out from under you, then when you cry out rug pull they show you a single intern sewing 1 thread in the rug every week and say “It’s not a scam see, still a work in promise!” Cryptozoo had more progress than some of these ships.
They didnt expect it for 3.18. Simple as that. They only started with the separate release branches after 3.18 with PES. In general, Turbulent seems to have been stepping in and actually getting shit done. They seem to have up-to-date cloud knowledge. Their work on PES and SM seem invaluable. It seems previous it was just the engine devs and I dont think they were quite up to date with all the fancy new clouds till. Although there were DevOps on camera years ago, but I wonder what they are even doing all day.
Realistically, if I was a company who was building a product that gets pieced together as I go (basically any SaaS company). Who just so happens to have a fan base who is willing to alpha test and provide me investment money, I wouldn’t invest in top tier instance classes in AWS either. Not to mention AWS Aurora db is really expensive. Why burn out of cashflow before I even launch the game and collect a subscription ($15-$20/m)
@@phildelafunk would explain why the servers run at 3 tickrate...
Talk talk talk. Thats all we get... STOP TALKING CIG.
Feature: What the game can do
Content: What you can do in the game
The straws that broke it for me was introducing the problem of cargo and then selling you the solution of the ATLS. Then nerf all of the ships after you sell them, this makes people regret what they get (longtime corsair guy and deemer just love those types of ships). The fix for the first was for instance self-destruct your reclaimer and then you can actually move the boxes with efficiency as there is no other effective means. The second is to buy a newer ship that claims to do the same things as the previous ship except the nerf opened up a new "hole" in functionality of these ships.
Good take. it's like 10% fun 90% frustration.
I play daily. And enjoy my time on it. Regardless of what the game will become. I've got my money's worth. The fact that more is coming is fantastic. Looking at 4.0 as the milestone that it is is a better approach. Server meshing is working. Had one server recovery last night. It was less than 30 seconds and my mission persisted. I see that as a win.
Good vid as usual. The 32million hours did make me think, how many other games in Alpha phase get these kind of numbers? So it may not seem a lot but putting it into perspective is probably eye opening.
P.S. Feature: Fire tech
Content: Fire fighting gameplay.
27:50 SC is CRAZY niche, and getting more and more niche. Why they really need a plan to capture mass appeal and unless they change a few things it simply will not do that and eventually need to survive forever on selling ships which is of course going to happen and put them all on the store all the time or grab the attention of casual players all the way through hardcore and not make it feel super drastic in achieving things. Hardcores will naturally achieve more but without casuals feeling they to can achieve something then there is no reason to play. They need to embrace the MMO thing and throttle back a touch on so much Sim aspect IMO. Too few want to spend a day working to log in to feel like they are working again. It's way to easy to be disengaged in the game and log out. MAYBE the mythical 9:1 AI to player ration will fix that and waaaaaay more PvE missions that are not just fedex missions and copy/paste bunker missions???? who knows
By native, they mean the story. Save stanton is part of the story they are building in the verse about the different factions and races
Why do I have to install the 4.0 preview? I'm already running out space on my drive is this correct?
Same ol song and dance of smoke n mirrors...
I feel like they have been staying focused on the 1.0 roadmap laid out at citcon. I dont expect anymore feature creep until that has been achieved
I see chris continues to smoke something exotic to believe in the bullshit he says
Why do people believe that liars are honest? He doesn't believe it. He thinks you will.
I understand that all issues on the issue counsel are tested by less than ten testplayers and autoclosed by lack of ten. Since zero devs are playing the game there now are zero bugs. It is Vulcan logic. We win.