Ultra RARE 1960's Ducati Scooter. Will It Run After 30 Years?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2023
- I buy a 1960's Ducati Brio 100 that has been sitting for over 30 years. Will it run? #Ducati, #Rare,
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Joe. Ive been into Italian 2 Strokes from the 50's and 60's for 40 years and I've never seen or even heard of one of these before. Thats one HELL of a find on the British scooter scene. Left hand gear change/clutch was standard on Italian scooters (Lambretta, Vespa etc) at the time.
This scooter belongs in a museum. Seriously. Fantastic find that needs expert restoration in my opinion.
Hear hear.
ditto...and im jealous.
There’s a well known British scooterist that has a fully restored Ducati scooter
junk
@@wileecoyote5749priceless junk at that
This needs to be a total restoration. Soda blast the body panels and repaint it.
Wtf is a soda blast
For what? It won’t be worth it.
Soda blasting would be the correct approach, sandblasting would take too much material off and leave unwanted marks on the metal.
I agree in getting a soda blaster to free up rust when getting these things loose. You might want to brush some acid on to loosen crusty parts. Use gloves everyone… do it outside if possible and have water ready nearby.
Well worth a restoration...
Might be worth it to call Ducati directly. You never know they might know where a piston and rings are sitting on a shelf or the jug or both!! Someone in Italy has to have one!
They might buy it back as a showroom piece for a cool mill!
@@stevenswonger4145 Very true!
@alittlebitofeverything5090 although very rare, you can find restored versions in europe and some parts on ebay etc
The twist grip gear change was standard on scooters. No missing cover on the side of the engine, it's fan cooled. That's where the air comes out. Lots of motorcycle manufacturers had a stab at making scooters, but they didn't do well. They all looked clumpy compared to Lambrettas and Vespas. A rarity, though. Well worth a restoration. Go on, Joe, you can do it... 🇬🇧👍
Thought it was a Lambretta LD at first glance in the back of the truck last vid.
@@kirb943 Definite similarities. A bit more angular. The Italians understood scooters, the British and Americans made things that looked like suitcases with wheels attached. Which only adds to their rarity since nobody bought the bloody things...
@@billdyke9745well said, angular is the right word. Ive a series 3 Li, and it really looks like they just deleted any and all curves
That coil is identical to a Lambretta coil. Why? Because Ducati made the ignition system for Lambretta! Make sure the ht lead has plenty of copper inner showing before it's plugged into the coil. That flywheel needs an extractor. It looks like the same size as a Lambretta extractor. They are easily available.
Do NOT jam a screwdriver in between the fan blades. They are VERY brittle and will snap off in a heartbeat.
Carburettor leak is just a fibre washer. Very cheap to replace. Dellorto are brilliant for spare parts.
That satisfying snap when the screw breaks free from an old engine is music to my ears.
There are alot of 52mm Pistonrings in 1,2mm and 1,5mm for chainsaws like Stihl and Husquarna.
maybe one of them fit the shape of the "anti rotation pin".
Also i found 4 stroke rings for CB50 and CY50 75ccm cylinders which may could made matching with a dremel.
Such Rings are here round about 2€ each so think it´s worth a try to make some of them fit in.
The Stihl 046 have the 1,2mm and the 064 or the husquarna 272 have the 1,5mm. one of them have to fit.
Mopeds have pedals. Nice scooter.
Joe, you shouldn't ever pound out a piston pin,
Buy a tool for it, only cost a few bucks. The right tools will do the right job.
I wouldn't be surprised if there isn' a chainsaw or lawn mower engine that uses rings that are so close that you could file the ring gap to fit the diameter and if you have to, you could slightly widen the ring grooves on the piston with a lathe. By the way, when shifting from one gear to the next, you have to pull the clutch lever in, shift and then let back out. That's a rare little scooter and very worthy of a restoration.
An online seller called dlastore sells rings for the Ducati Cadet 100 engine which looks to be the same as yours. About $16 for a set.
Commenting for visibility.
You could use some random rings for the same or a bit bigger diameter and just file the ends to fit by the pins. Just make sure the thiccness is correct.
I could see sporadic sparks around 20:46 which was frustrating as a viewer 😂
I have a theory around the missing ring. The gentleman who sold it knows a thing or two and likely took the top end off and tried to take the rings off, breaking the bottom ring in the process. Realized he can’t get a replacement so he put it back together and put it up for sale.
Sounds about right . The low mileage and excess wear is probably due to the speedo being unconnected .
Someone was already there. Even broken rings don't leave the ring groove.
I felt the same way I literally seen it spark in the plug gap I'm like what do you mean there's no spark lol and yeah I agree with your thoughts on the missing ring
its not a moped. moped's are equiped with secondary pedal power option. this is a motor scooter
As stated in the title
Jesus look at all that dirt that fell in the crank case.
Yes, Joe just refuses to clean anything before he starts working on it. Drives me crazy.
Restore it to the full bro. None of those around anymore!🆒😎✌️! Never even knew it existed.
You need to call Wiseco, and any other piston maker you can think of, and see if they something that will fit. There are a lot of 100cc 2-strokes that have been made and one of them might match up. Even if they don't have just the rings they might have a piston and ring combo that will work. Good luck.
I have one of these, they are definitely rare but not worth much. They are a loose copy of a Lambretta Cento so some parts will work (I got a fuel petcock and it was very close but a bit off where the rod attaches). I also got an entire cable kit from the Lambretta and most were close enough to work but some were the wrong length and I just made new ones to fit. The engine was also used in the Ducati 100 Scrambler and Mountaineer.
Not 272 miles. She's been around the clock, many times. Mileage or Km only goes up to 10k. I guess a previous owner tried to fix bad piston rattle, removed one of the rings to match a spare and put the cylinder back together without one ring. The Ducati name makes this amazing.
Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Likely been around at least a couple of times, that kind of wear would be impossible with only 272 miles on it.
Phenomenal, oh the memories. Neighbors had an early 60s (1963) Sears Allstate (Vespa) scooter/moped. 2-stroke, 60cc, think 4hp. Faster riding lawnmowers
I'm sure you can find some machinists on yt you can reach out to and have them make one to spec. Hope to see pt.2! 🙏
A scooter ! (mopeds have pedals ) . Very nice . The Ducati is very like the Bianchi Orsetto .
Now this is an interesting project. Hope you'll do more.
honestly best part of my day when this man posts
Thanks for watching!
Agreed
Ya I can't wait to get home from work, take a shower grab a couple beers and watch Joe's videos. Make my day. My favorite channel by far.
You might be able to call Mahle and give them the piston and cylinder dimensions (piston OD, ring groove dias, groove widths, cylinder bore) and ask if they have rings to fit. Years ago I did that for many oddball engines by calling Hastings Piston Ring, but I think that firm was absorbed by Mahle or another company. They used to have rings for just about any engine. When inquiring, I would not mention what the rings are for, some companies in my area just don't support anything for Italian machines or other long obsolete European machines, no idea why.
My thoughts too, you’ll need to spec the piston fully and call around, someone will have something that fits.
My thoughts order custom ring
Mahle also have a catalogue of plain bearing shells of all dimensions to search through. 90s Yamaha TDM twins could have used old diesel VW triple big ends in undersize steps. Unfortunately discontinued though. No luck..
Looks like DLA engine parts have Caber compression pistons rings 52 x 1.5 mm for $6.44. They have many Ducati kits too.
The piston looks great just fine some rings for that size
In the mid 60’s my dad bought a Ducati trail sport. Had that same engine with same fan shroud on it. It was a 90cc with the 3 speed twist shift on it. Tube frame red color and knobby tires. Looked better than my Suzuki hillbilly 80. Hard starting and started slipping out of gear. Good luck Rx
I see little point changing the piston since it is not worn. Just look for rings - several suggestions already in comments.
I love this thing! Cant wait to see it up and running!
I restored an old Cushman once, what a nightmare. Thought it was never gonna run again, then it did. Best of luck on that old beast. 👍
Thank you so much for this video. Have a brio 100 and just got it running. In mine compression was good but the issue was that the ignition points contact was bent and would not cut so that it had to spark at the plug. Your videos on the brio were very very useful. Thank you.
Love to see a full resto of this. Really cool looking scooter.
2V, back in the day we used to remove the bottom ring to make 2 strokes rev higher! It worked as long as we changed rings frequently. It was a go-cart cheat. Some high performance pistons came with a single ring from factory.
Did this myself with a Lambretta also polished and enlarged the ports & took out crankshaft and filled the balance hole with cork which was glued in with Araldite (superglue) raised the crancase compression ratio then skimmed and polished the Ali head
I’m actually shocked that thing even popped over like that
What a interesting find. I look forward to the conclusion and so now am a subscriber.
To all of those comments that are positive and informative.. you guys are really great! The others.. it is ok to not comment. Have a great day.
anyone else notice that he aint screwing the spark plug wire in its only resting in there its the end of a screw inside that the wire needs to be twisted on to
That's an incredibly clean 2 stroke engine, maybe not have been run on the correct oil/petrol mixture. May also explain why everything came undone so easy, someone has already been in there and maybe removed the worn rign in the hopes of finding a replacement. Ring wise, a company here in the UK sell 49.8mm rings in pairs, Part Number VE10116-4 They're for the Vespa 100 etc
Never even heard of this model. A very exciting project. Please keep us informed of your progress. I wish it was mine 😊
Had no idea they made scooter this is why I lover ur account
love watching this content man. I own a tuned yamaha aerox and I come across this channel when you bought that 3 wheeler that was old school. I hope you come across a honda cub ez90, that would be legedary :D
Brother. You need to get that Hammer screwdriver. I use mine ALL the time for this crap. You hit the end and it turns the screw with force but because you're hitting it in. It doesnt strip. LOVE it
Love yr channel such excellent content thanx
Absolutely love your channel
By the way, there's a Swedish guy out there, (Yesterday's Machinery), who has a video showing him making new piston rings... (Apologies for multiple comments, RUclips is not letting me edit)... 😠
Could hammering a wrist pin out like that result in damaging the crank?
I would never do that.
Damn right
Not necessarily. Anyone who’s removed one from a bicycle engine or dirt bike has done it the exact same way. Big thing is putting some buffer between the piston and stud threads. I’ve had thread marks (unknown to me) wear out the nikisil lining on a mk2 piaggio cylinder. Being careful will help tremendously, but without removing the engine, it’s really the only way. The piston will his the cylinder studs before the rod try’s spreading the lobes apart. In most all high performance builds, the pin will come out much much easier
@@jamiebouchard9862 I’ve removed several and never had to do it that way lmao
@@josephhamilton5185 yea. Course u haven’t 👌👌
BRAVO, this will be a great learning project as there is much to do.
If there is no chamfer on cylinder ports it can act like a shear chew up rings and spit out exhaust port. Check inside muffler for shrapnel. CHEERS!
What a fantastic winter project that would make for someone.
*Never seen one of them before!!*
I use to work for a Vintage motorcycle company and thought i seen all the 1960's Ducati bikes!
Great video. Thanks for the tutorial on getting one of these running again. Now I just have to convince my neighbor to sell me her old barn find yamaha. Worst part is that the bike is under years of lawn furniture, wood and other trash.
Great project! Keep the videos coming. Maybe Wiseco would be able to match something up. That would come with rings.
Or, ask Vinnie!!
Another great video thanks Joe
Привет из Украины, я занимаюсь ремонтом подобной техники, кольца стёрлись из-за того что небыл одет воздушный фильтр, мелкая пыль попадала в цилиндр, это видно по матовой поверхности поршня и характерному износу поршневых колец. Поршневые кольца ищите в китайских интернет-магазинах, или оригинальные запчасти в италии. 52мм это стандартный размер цилиндра в Европейских странах. Судя по тому что я видел на видео подойдут современные поршневые кольца для итальянских двухтактных скутеров. Для поиска: 50cc scooter tuning italy, aprilia, vespa, gilera.
Дукатти скутера очень редкие, не нужно искать именно этого производителя, просто: италия скутер, потому что для разных производителей один стандарт размеров запчастей. Удачи вам в работе над этим проектом! Очень редкий и интересный экземпляр.)
You should also get an assistant one of these days. If I lived closer id love to help out on these builds. Would make your life so much easier. But great build regardless!
ONE last maybe...Make some friends with a CNC machine. Make a new piston and rings. but hey...Im just a guy who loves cars and watches other people build them after breaking my back! So thanks for giving someone like me the opportunity to still see.
Use a metal mesh tea ball for all your small parts in the cleaner it saves from having to fish them out if they spill from the bowl
For a few moments I saw Andrew Camarata's spirit flying in the air when he broke the choke cable!
I'm thinking, next time you work on any of these old barn find rescues, just do the carbs first, get that out of the way dude! move that from last to first, then look for spark :) .... I'm like you, as soon as I see spark, i just want to put gas in and run!
Del'Orto Carbs were used on a number of early BMW boxer engines. Been a while so I don't know if anyone still does.
As far as the rings and piston you could try similar engine specs in the Sachs engine lineup. I owned a BUNCH of old DKW Leading Link MX100's and was privy to some discussions during a few shop talks that these might be very close. The Sachs motors were SORELY under powered so they normally didn't get much abuse. Comparatively speaking of course. The 9 units I had got beat to crap but you couldn't tell because they just didn't have the oomph to tear anything up.
2 tech's I knew took the Leading Link front ends off of them and installed them on a few CZ's and Greeves Griffon that lunched it's own version. Good luck. That thing needs love!
Thanks for sharing this with us :} .
Maybe check the bore and stroke of other 100cc machines like the yamaha yg1. You might strike it lucky with the correct width and file the gap to make a good fit in the bore. Also check out the 200cc twins from that era (RD200 for instance).
Your perseverance is amazing 👏 love your videos. . I'm sure when its running you could make good money on that . Massive respect from the UK 🇬🇧
I did same thing with choke cable on an 86 yamaha moped. I heated side of choke tube with pencil torch. Then used a flathead screw driver to carefully turn choke barrel to remove it. Also you had flywheel exposed so I use a corded drill on the flywheel nut to turn over engine. One for higher rpm on low compression and two so I don't break kick start or pull start. Other then that good video
Id try rings from a Honda 50 or something like that to see how it works. Long as the size is right and ring gap is close it should work because finding parts for this will be a nightmare
That thing is so cool and your work is great looks like the posts are on it
Dude you should have a paint brush to clean the parts after your done with the ultrasonic cleaner
Hey as far as the rings go, try googling 52mm piston rings. You can get a set of 2 for like $5 and use the original piston. If they don't fit you are only out by $5.
Lol. I was wondering when you were going to break out the drill motor😂. I was expecting that Kickstarter snap . Ducati scooter.😮
The screwdriver and glove ASMR never gets old 😁
Used to own a 1960's iso milano diva, also a bin man find, used to bunny hop it, sold it to a guy that fully restored it, parts were hard to find, even 35 years ago.
Biggest problem with it was we broke the kickstart shaft, looked like it was poor quality post war steel, had air bubbles in it, so maybe don't go trying to kickstart it like that, was waiting for it snap off. :)
Good luck with restoring it or at least get it running.
I've been unfortunate enough to get many old and rare things running again. Always a challenge but find the radius & circumference and you should be able to make a ring from something newer work albeit with some possible ring grinding to get the gap. Honda Trail 50&90’s have been good for some of my weird and rare foreign jobs.
I would check the diameter of the piston with a micrometer, check the skirt length and wrist pin inside diameter. Call a reputable company and see if they have something. If not there has to be a company that can mill one for you. Have a good day.
Get the piston dimensions and try to find one. I'm into all motorsports, recently I got into motorized bicycles. To go fast, we do hybrid engines, where we take a Chinese bicycle engine kit for the bottom end case, then put race scooter cylinders,minarelli or piaggio/ aprillia am6 or chainsaw cylinders. You could try to contact rdm performance or smolik performance. They do performance parts for these motorized bicycles and do machine work, they could probably make you a piston. The engine looks quite similar to what we use.
Some stihl chainsaws take a 52mm piston. Worth a try even if the rings just work
I wish you luck in this restoration. I am a fan of scooters and bikes that are petal start equipped.
Another great job
Nice find. Pistin rings for some other 100cc two strokes should fit.
Looking forward to the renovation 👍
You shouldn’t have any problem using a different piston. I think someone had it apart and removed that ring. If it fell off it would have scratched up the cylinder.
That may be a problem. Diameter is no problem, but dome curve, wrist pin size, wrist pin center to top of dome, wrist pin center to skirt, skirt cutouts.
As for the wiper ring, it was taken out in the past for some unknown reason. Only other was to go missing is to shatter and fly out the exhaust, if that is the case, there may be bits still in the exhaust system, but the cyl should show scratches
1st one here!! Love you joe 🤟🏻 keep it up!
I'd be in touch with the piston manufacturers with the relevant details. I've put different pistons in kart engines before. it's amazing what's out there.
the Yamaha ag100 , dx100 yb100 all use a 52mm std bore piston so may work with this and i cant wait to see this project more
To my understanding a Chinese pit bike 110cc is a 52.4mm bore, I’m sure you could use the rings from one of those, with a little modification to make it work. Hella availability and super cheap
Impressive work. I think the odometer is wrong. Ducati is still notorious for gauges breaking. Even their $27k Multistrada has multiple gas gauge failures. These scooters are worth a decent amount of money restored. Collectors love them.
Cool thing it is
Real italian vintage
Hope you got it working again
.52mm pistons are used on those gas bicycle kits. And they also run a dual ring non-window piston..
I always like to have everything degreased and washed up clean before I work on it, but maybe I'm just weird that way... 🙄
Edit: the most likely reason it wouldn't spark with the yellow wire is it was fiber core and that ignition isn't strong enough to carry voltage thru the fiber, wire core only. As for the jumped wire you had making sparks that was power from the gen making power for headlights ..🤔
Edit#2 look up piston and ring specs for other 2 stroke small bore engines and you'll most likely find your rings even if they have to be filed for proper gap. PS your killing me with the veneer calipers. 😞
Not weird, you just do it right!
salut a toi,super vidéo,courage tu va trouvé le piston ,et donc vive la suite
There must be a piston to fit this from another application. Going to be a lot of research Joe.
I really wish you wouldn't just do the absolute minimum to get it to run when it's something rare and really worth looking after. Much rather you checked everything and went through it first. This moped needs totally high quality restoration in my eyes. Every detail done as well as can be.
I have a piston saved in my cart for a Ducati cadet/Mountaineer/Brio!!! &50.00 brand new piston,rings, circlips and wrist pin.
That thing is bad ass.Deffinately worth a full restore.
That thing is definitely special enough to restore. Hone and mic that cylinder and see if WiseCo will make you a piston and rings for it.
Love the old stuff 👍🏴
Stihl uses a 52 mm piston on their 460 saws so they might work. I wish I kept the old piston when I rebuilt the last one I would send it to you.
In my 42 yrs of living on this earth 🤔. Never knew these little scoots even existed lol. That's the reason I like your channel my friend 🎬🙆🛵👍. My friend is restoring a Vespa from the early 50s. Thanks for sharing these cool little machines. Salute 😎✌️
We want to see updates on this sick scooter
Del Orto carbs were on some of the Aermacchi Sprints you have worked on in past videos, you may still be able to find parts for that....
What a rare bike! Never seen one of those!
That machine should be in a museum.
If it was in the UK or Italy, it would be worth a lot of money.
But I don't know if the scooter scene is as big in the States.
Probably not at all that big sadly.
No. The scooter scene isn't big at all here in the US. Some of our larger Cities may have a little presence. There's to much open road here. In which a powerful motor car is desired. Their looked at as toy for kids, on their way to a full size American truck/car.
What an amazing find.