Is This the Original Sanchin Kata?
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2021
- No...
It's SupraSanchin.
Making stuff up, sometimes an honest attempt to deepen one’s own practice, and sometimes an attempt to mislead (the discovery of old Chinese forms that look [suspiciously] like Okinawan kata with the odd ‘kung fu’ flare for example) is becoming common place.
In this SupraSanchin video, using Suparinpei as a template, I’ve tried to show how you can practice Sanchin kata with open hands and changes of direction. Some of you may also notice the inclusion of a symmetrical mawashi-uke/nukite, a nod to Toon Ryu in one of the sections, a method to practice (i’ll use the Chinese term) Fajin, and an exaggerated display to show where ‘nuun’ appears in the standard Suparinpei kata.
I didn’t spend hours making this up; it was essentially off the cuff and if you ask me to do it again exactly as in the video I probably won’t be able to.
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have you seen Fujian white cranes final form? the beginning looks just like Tensho
ruclips.net/video/q5BXGjYQ7EU/видео.html
And Fujian Monk boxing or Louhan boxing form 1 looks similar to Seisan and hangetsu.
ruclips.net/video/Z_vVUpFlWFQ/видео.html
And fujian Tiger boxing first form sanzhan looks like uechi ryu sanchin(sort of)
Same fighting guard/claw hand and open hand spear fingers and tension-
ruclips.net/video/S-ZmzDOJP7c/видео.html
pretty cool right?
I studied Chinese martial arts for years & we had a form called San yie (3 units breathing) which employed breathing In your Tan Tien level along with dynamic tension repeating the movements 3 times as you move forward ( maintaining the tension) & ending with an explosive double palm hit & multiple knife hand strikes. ( Releasing all the energy at the end along with a loud Kia) During the tension our teacher would strike our bodies & push us in several places to test out balance & tension. ( Sorry for any misspelling)
That's great to hear. Thanks for the information.
Goju kata is a language unto itself. Once you understand the A,B,C's, how to form words, words into sentences, sentences into paragraphs, and paragraphs into a story, it really doesn't matter what "shape" or "form" the kata takes. I believe that is what you are showing us here sir...well done!!! OSU!
This should come with a warning dude. I'm a nobody. But the Original Sanshin Kata is not to be screwed with. Now I understand that Masters and even instructors are encouraged to play and come up with their own Katas. So here is my warning to anyone that happens on this. The original Sanchin/SanZhan kata forms can really screw you up. Back in the day you would ONLY learn Sanchin for about 3 years before learning anything else.. Some masters would only teach Sanchin Kata then followed by their own Katas. Breathing and proper muscle tension on this is a complete bitch. It really does takes years to get right. With out a proper instructor you will never learn it's secrets. Lastly, This is what we all do when no one is watching. So bravo for being brave enough to post.
Yes, in the description I've attempted to 'warn' the viewer as to the nature of this particular video. I would like to add that the idea of learning Sanchin for three years with the exclusion of anything else is a skewed interpretation of the idea that - to be proficient at sanchin kata 'may' take three years of focused practice. By its very nature, to understand Sanchin, one must concurrently practice the junbi undo, hojo undo, kihon, etc.
He visto algunas escuelas de Uechi-ryu inventando versiones de Suparimpei, argumentando que encontraron el kata perdido que Kambun Uechi aprendió, pero que nunca lo enseñó.
No creo.
@@ghdj6531 Aquí un ejemplo: ruclips.net/video/osNKRCkDw7k/видео.html
Otro: ruclips.net/video/JglQktQC7dA/видео.html
@@mvuoto5792 opcion uno - rehaser desde ~ 2008
opsion dos rehaser ~1996...
Con respeto..👍
@@ghdj6531 Sí, a lo mejor no se entiende por el traductor. Yo digo que son versiones nuevas, remake. Ninguna es original del estilo Uechi.
Wow
I have seen something similar to Sanchin Kata in a documentary about Chinese Crane Kung Fu.
Exactly...the chicken or the egg?
@@GKCgoju the basic techniques like striking below the ribs, trapping and a mawashi uke variant looks the same. The execution changes. Maybe taichokun sanchin, and San ti shi are the original. Taichokun was the progenitor of the crane styles of south. Also look at chow gær first form.
The Crane form you've seen is probably called "qi bu San zhan" (七步三战)
Maybe the hand posture was different as grabbing before closing
Yes
Interesante fusión de sanchín con superimpei. La respiración variaría considerablemente comparado al sanchín aprendido por mi, tendría menos ibuki y exhalaciones más standard. Se ve más aplicativo que ritual también, con sus pro y contras.
No it’s definitely not. You can invent any kata you want once you understand.
Correct. As stated in the description.
No little bit missing
No, this is not the original kata. Some of your movements are similar but you are missing quite a bit. Also the kata moves forward and does a 180°turn to face opposite starting position. At no time does it turn and move left or right from starting position.
It sounds like you’re referring to the turning version of Gojuryu’s Sanchin kata which is in itself a modification of an earlier version. If you read the description of the video you will understand what the video is actually about.
Look like Suparinpa.
It is mostly Suparinpei with Sanchin feeling.
@@GKCgoju Certainly!
Do the first fofm as the following. Do the subsequent forms as the first.
P. S. The shape options of Suparinpei were great!
@@GKCgoju.. those that you showed before
Paul, many of the masters have been referenced as having a specialty ("favourite") kata. Do you have one, if so might I ask which kata it is?
If you had asked me a few years ago I would have said Seisan, now however I see the kata of goju-ryu as one entity to draw from with repeating themes. As me again in few years :).
@@GKCgoju Any deeper revalation on kata?🫡🙏🏻🕊💪🏻
@@RedHand127 Sorry, I don't understand your question. Do you mean on the kata in the video, or are you asking a more general question?
When I watch video;s like this, I can't help remember the scene in a movie where as after watcheing a skilled opponet doing his kata, which had to take years to perfect and very impresive to watch . The star simply pulled out his gun, shot him once and killed him. All those years of learning and practicing were over in a second. Which impressed me even more.
Interesting (However, I just the new comer so that's a long way to understand)
You may add few kicks as well. :)
lol :)
Early april fool or real video ? Looks nice anyway.
It's a real video - the description explains what I'm doing.
@@GKCgoju I did read before commenting but English is not my home language so when you made a reference about Chinese suspiciously similar kata/tao... it kind of got me confused.
Thanks for taking the time to answer and sharing!
@@j-b.c.5303 I appreciate you taking the time to write in English even though it is not your first language.
no dude, original sanchin is chinese :) that looks like some funny dancing
Two things: 1. read the description. 2. Only my wife is allowed to call my dancing "funny" - which she does insufferably often!