@@GojuRyuKarateCentreWith open hand strikes and 3 mawashi uke's to the sides then front thisbl would be near identical to Uechi Ryu sanchin. I strongly suspect there was some intersection of Goju-ryu and Uechi Ryu at some point in the past, despite what the official histories of the styles say. Thank you both for sharing. 🙇♂️
Ah, thank you for these beautiful words! Humility is the basis from which we can learn, and I find it amazing that my husband is still so humble and open to learning after 42 years of training. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a lovely comment 🤗
I learned this kata some 35 years past. Excellent explanation of the variations, of which I have observed yet only understand more now. Arigato Sensei.
I learned Sanchin in the early eighties and my school emphasized slow and strong dynamic tension. I would be winded and sweating (even in the winter cold in the Dojo) after just one go through. The method of breathing I was taught is called Valsalva or Ibuki in Japanese. Studies have shown breathing this way is dangerous due to high blood pressure. Old school goju-ryu masters died earlier than other styles.
This is very true! We sometimes see glimpses of people still breathing the very hard way, and unfortunately, old habits die super hard. We can and must adapt our karate to incorporate the knowledge we are gaining now. In many ways, karate already complements much of what we are learning about physiology, but you're right - when we learn something is bad for us, we must let go of it. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
I studied Goju-ryu in 1967 at Syracuse, NY under Sensei Peter Musacchio. Now as I approach my 80th birthday, I wanted to relive and relearn some of that teaching I had way back then. But every RUclips video I watched just didn't seem right for Sanchin kata - until I saw this video. Apparently Uechi-ryu has a different Sanchin kata as do some of the other Okinawan styles. I'm glad I found this one that I've been looking for. I believe Sensei Musacchio learned his karate in Okinawa probably in the early 1960's or late 1950's. I think he was in the Air Force and stationed there.
You know, it's the comments like these that truly inspire us to keep on doing what we're doing. It is a little disheartening sometimes to see other karate channels do so well with, well, let's just say shallow content. But knowing that we are providing value to practitioners around the world, and that our videos are so appreciated, makes all the editing and hard work worthwhile. Our best wishes to you, all the way from South Africa 🇿🇦
Very good! A basic and one of the most important kata in goju-ryu. My sanchin is in the same way, we have some variations and it's normal... But in the end, every goju-ryu's sanchin is sanchin. Osu 🇯🇵 🇧🇷🤝🏼🇿🇦
Thank you for this lovely comment! The anatomy videos are so far back in our history, the production quality isn't great 😅 but it might be worth redoing them at some point. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 🤗
Hello Sensei, very nice Kata and explanation. I learned the version you did in this video (was told this is the Higashiano Kanryo original version he taught before Chojun Miyagi Sensei modified for health reasons as you said. So I’ve learned both versions. I have had to adjust the last part to different Sensei’s, usually had to strike between 5-7 repetitions before closing out the kata. Also, one traditional Sensei required much more dynamic tension breathing, while another did not, much closer to your version. As you said, I adjusted as required by my Sensei. Thank you.
Hi Dave, Truly you are the best kind of student - open to different ideas, doing what is asked but also having a questioning and respectful approach. The kata is a living textbook, and as such exists in different variations and versions all over the world, changed by the minds and bodies it passes through. This is how I prefer to think of kata - some people think of it like a preserved butterfly, pinned onto cardboard. Beautiful, but dead. Thank you for this lovely comment!
It is interesting that some styles leave it out of the syllabus! I think that you can get by without it, but as a historical kata, its important to at least know it exists :) Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Very similar to the basic version in Kenyu-Ryu I was trained in. There is also a Sanchin Key version that attacks / defends in 4 directions. Thank you!
Ah, I didn't know about the 4 direction one! (Well, I'm sure my husband Ché does, but I'm the one that responds to the comments lol) I shall do some research - might make an interesting video some day. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Thank you for this video and the little explanation on the story of the two sanchins and why Miyagi sensei created sanchin dai ichi. It was a small point that wasn't clear to me between "Chojun Miyagi no sanchin" (dai ichi) and "Kanryo Higaonna no sanchin" (dai ni). I knew dai ni was historically first, but not the reason dai ichi appeared next.
Context is everything in karate, and the more we study Sensei Miyagi's life, the more our karate makes sense 🙏🏻 thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 🤗
I am only a small member right now but consider you my Sensei as I am residing in Istanbul right now, a third dan black belt through Kansas City's Integrity Martial Arts since 2017. I am learning traditional Goju Ryu through your school online and practicing privately (my preference right now). What fun your classes are for me! Thank you to you and Zoe (who I also watch).🤜🤛✊
Ah, we are so honoured to be your Sensei! We are trying to figure out the best way to do classes for our members - Zoom just isn't the best way! If you have any suggestions for platforms etc, please let us know. Thank you for your kind words and your support - we truly, truly appreciate it
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre hehe, luckily we have near a 10th dan hanshi that is my master's sensei, and keeps the traditions as pure as possible. (And who I can proudly say that is my Kobudo sensei, so I have experienced his methods directly and I can confirm) Amyway, I was not saying that your video was wrong, neither I am nothing else than a rookie in karate. Good video btw :)
That's so interesting! The Toguchi line is an important lineage, and we love to hear from our friends in other Goju schools. Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗
I fully understand your problem with your septum and trying to breathe. I had my nose broken three times and just could not breath out of the left nostril. At night when i was asleep i used to sound like a dying animal thankfully i had a operation to straighten it and now i can breath perfectly normal again.Something for you to consider and consult your doctor over.
It is definitely something worth considering! We are lucky to be close to great doctors - the trick is trying to get Ché to go get the op! But I'm hoping that the more people comment with similar stories, the more he'll be convinced it is worth it ;) Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Since this video, we've decided not to put subtitles on the original video, and instead rather just edit the RUclips auto-sub titles. Thank you for the feedback!
The Sanchin I’ve always been taught a low Sanchin stance, three or five punches before the double open hand pull, have the Kosudachi low and very pronounced breathing; cutting the exhalation at the end of the punch. Helps a lot when tired or when starting to train at the dojo I like your way of doing it. Very nice
Such a clear, detailed explanation! And its so nice to have people sharing their variations in the comments as just that: variations. There shouldn't be The One True Way, because who gets to decide that? Even in our own practice we have variations, and expecting everyone to do it the exact same way every time everywhere is just so boring. Thank you for the lovely comment!
Right at the beginning, shouldn't the angle between the feet in musubi dachi be 90 degrees? This way the transition from musubi dachi to geiko dachi wouldn't require any adjustments...
I'm not so heavy anymore as I've lost a couple of kilos for summer. So what do I know to discuss here... Good explanation of kata as always. I may add few cents adjusted for inflation that the spelling of sanchin as battles is more recent (like 100 years is still recent) and romanticized version for military gloryfication times when Japanese Empire was preparing for the ultimate war (as few previous were too good for them beating Koreans, Chinese, and Russians). So as sanchin-gata is heishu-gata (fundamental, i.e. to built a fundament for your further techniques working on structure or gamaku in the first place), it's name should be spelled as three tensions (sounds the same but more practical meaning). But I repeat myself, I guess. Dai ni version is a "proper" sanchin-gata, of course. First sanchin is more of kihon for massive training of students (and pupil in secondary schools) before and then along gekisai kata (actually sanchin and two gekisai are enough as basics to go on conscription and beat your comrade Japanese for them trying to bully you as Okinawan and secondary citizen); and tensho is Ju (soft) version of heishu-gata because it's always Go and Ju in Goju-ryu (sorry for Miyagi's pun). And I have no clue if Morio had any clue talking about stepping back in this kata at all.
Hahaha, " military gloryfication times" - very much so. And I think tensions more accurately describes the kata, which is a huge balancing act between all the different parts. I love Sanchin, but it doesn't love me, and it'll probably be that way until I die lol. As always, a treasure trove of knowledge - the impact of mass training on how katas look is often overlooked.
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre -chin is more of a tension in other kata with this suffixe: sanchin has one type, seiyinchin has another and shisochin obviously yet another. I don't know if I haven't written this already. And it's not about some battles in these two kata, methink.
Hi. Love all the 3 of you. Amazing job you're doing. Allow me Che just to point out something on your sanchin dai ni performance. It's that after stepping you should not move the still foot, and you almost always correct the stance. Other one is that your sanchin dachi seems to wide. Thanks again. I'ved used a lot of your videos as a mirror and it's fantastic the knowledge for other styles that you expose. Keep at it. Thanks.
Thanks for the tips! We are always open to feedback, as that is how we grow as practitioners. Thank you for the kind words, and we hope to see you in our comments again!
I had to quickly refresh my memory - I see Kenbukan is the Toguchi line! So cool to see that different lineages can still share and agree on the same things :)
It depends on the style, the federation, etc. Sanchin is a kata practiced in many forms of karate. In any case at the IOGKF and the TOGKF, we have both forms.
In my school we've also been shown a variant of Sanchin with open spear hand strikes in the second pass.
Ah, that's so cool - we love hearing about variations across the style, and exploring what the bunkai could be. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@GojuRyuKarateCentreWith open hand strikes and 3 mawashi uke's to the sides then front thisbl would be near identical to Uechi Ryu sanchin. I strongly suspect there was some intersection of Goju-ryu and Uechi Ryu at some point in the past, despite what the official histories of the styles say. Thank you both for sharing. 🙇♂️
No the spirit is 'here; in your modesty :p je trouve que vous pratiquez dans un excellent esprit. Merci pour ce post. je repart m'en inspirer ;)
Ah, thank you for these beautiful words! Humility is the basis from which we can learn, and I find it amazing that my husband is still so humble and open to learning after 42 years of training. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a lovely comment 🤗
I learned this kata some 35 years past. Excellent explanation of the variations, of which I have observed yet only understand more now. Arigato Sensei.
Thank you so much for this kind and thoughtful comment, and for taking the time to watch our videos 🙏🏻
I learned Sanchin in the early eighties and my school emphasized slow and strong dynamic tension. I would be winded and sweating (even in the winter cold in the Dojo) after just one go through. The method of breathing I was taught is called Valsalva or Ibuki in Japanese. Studies have shown breathing this way is dangerous due to high blood pressure. Old school goju-ryu masters died earlier than other styles.
This is very true! We sometimes see glimpses of people still breathing the very hard way, and unfortunately, old habits die super hard. We can and must adapt our karate to incorporate the knowledge we are gaining now. In many ways, karate already complements much of what we are learning about physiology, but you're right - when we learn something is bad for us, we must let go of it. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Thank you for your explanation.
You are welcome! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Great video, our Goju-kai friends do this version.
Always love to share with our friends in the Goju Kai world
Thank you for the excellent tutorial on this very important kata
Thank you so so much! We are grateful to be able to contribute to karate in this way 🙏
I studied Goju-ryu in 1967 at Syracuse, NY under Sensei Peter Musacchio. Now as I approach my 80th birthday, I wanted to relive and relearn some of that teaching I had way back then. But every RUclips video I watched just didn't seem right for Sanchin kata - until I saw this video. Apparently Uechi-ryu has a different Sanchin kata as do some of the other Okinawan styles. I'm glad I found this one that I've been looking for. I believe Sensei Musacchio learned his karate in Okinawa probably in the early 1960's or late 1950's. I think he was in the Air Force and stationed there.
You know, it's the comments like these that truly inspire us to keep on doing what we're doing. It is a little disheartening sometimes to see other karate channels do so well with, well, let's just say shallow content. But knowing that we are providing value to practitioners around the world, and that our videos are so appreciated, makes all the editing and hard work worthwhile.
Our best wishes to you, all the way from South Africa 🇿🇦
Very good!
A basic and one of the most important kata in goju-ryu.
My sanchin is in the same way, we have some variations and it's normal... But in the end, every goju-ryu's sanchin is sanchin.
Osu 🇯🇵 🇧🇷🤝🏼🇿🇦
Excellent stuff ! Thank you. I'll check the structure/anatomy videos as well. Oss !!!
Thank you for this lovely comment! The anatomy videos are so far back in our history, the production quality isn't great 😅 but it might be worth redoing them at some point. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 🤗
Hello Sensei, very nice Kata and explanation. I learned the version you did in this video (was told this is the Higashiano Kanryo original version he taught before Chojun Miyagi Sensei modified for health reasons as you said. So I’ve learned both versions. I have had to adjust the last part to different Sensei’s, usually had to strike between 5-7 repetitions before closing out the kata. Also, one traditional Sensei required much more dynamic tension breathing, while another did not, much closer to your version. As you said, I adjusted as required by my Sensei. Thank you.
Hi Dave,
Truly you are the best kind of student - open to different ideas, doing what is asked but also having a questioning and respectful approach. The kata is a living textbook, and as such exists in different variations and versions all over the world, changed by the minds and bodies it passes through. This is how I prefer to think of kata - some people think of it like a preserved butterfly, pinned onto cardboard. Beautiful, but dead.
Thank you for this lovely comment!
Interesting! I didn't know there was a Sanchin Ni, because in Goju Kai there is only this version of Sanchin lol.
It is interesting that some styles leave it out of the syllabus! I think that you can get by without it, but as a historical kata, its important to at least know it exists :)
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Very similar to the basic version in Kenyu-Ryu I was trained in. There is also a Sanchin Key version that attacks / defends in 4 directions. Thank you!
Ah, I didn't know about the 4 direction one! (Well, I'm sure my husband Ché does, but I'm the one that responds to the comments lol)
I shall do some research - might make an interesting video some day.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment - we appreciate it!
Thank you for this video and the little explanation on the story of the two sanchins and why Miyagi sensei created sanchin dai ichi. It was a small point that wasn't clear to me between "Chojun Miyagi no sanchin" (dai ichi) and "Kanryo Higaonna no sanchin" (dai ni). I knew dai ni was historically first, but not the reason dai ichi appeared next.
Context is everything in karate, and the more we study Sensei Miyagi's life, the more our karate makes sense 🙏🏻 thank you for taking the time to watch and comment 🤗
I am only a small member right now but consider you my Sensei as I am residing in Istanbul right now, a third dan black belt through Kansas City's Integrity Martial Arts since 2017. I am learning traditional Goju Ryu through your school online and practicing privately (my preference right now). What fun your classes are for me! Thank you to you and Zoe (who I also watch).🤜🤛✊
Ah, we are so honoured to be your Sensei! We are trying to figure out the best way to do classes for our members - Zoom just isn't the best way! If you have any suggestions for platforms etc, please let us know.
Thank you for your kind words and your support - we truly, truly appreciate it
Always working on lung volumes...well said Sensei... Ever get a chance to get that deviated septum fixed you will be Superman.
Please tell him - a bunch of people have said that it will be life changing!
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre Was life changing for me. Highly recommend it.
I like the author's approach to the criticism! I'd like to write a lot more of the "criticisism"', but can't after those words in the end! :)
Ah, thank you so much! We try to keep it real around here, as best we can 🙇🏻♀️
One of the best Sanchin kata performances I’ve seen in awhile.
So kind! Thank you, truly 🙏
Really good made, Greetings from Germany 😊
Thank you very much! We are trying our best to improve our quality every time we make a new video 🙏🏻
You did it like 83 times faster than we do in my dojo, hahaha
When we got feedback from our visiting instructor from Okinawa, he told us we go too fast 😅😅😅
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre hehe, luckily we have near a 10th dan hanshi that is my master's sensei, and keeps the traditions as pure as possible. (And who I can proudly say that is my Kobudo sensei, so I have experienced his methods directly and I can confirm) Amyway, I was not saying that your video was wrong, neither I am nothing else than a rookie in karate. Good video btw :)
I have only learned sanchin as the sanchin dai ni version, in both substyles of Goju Ryu I have trained, currently training under a shorei-kan dojo
That's so interesting! The Toguchi line is an important lineage, and we love to hear from our friends in other Goju schools. Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗
I fully understand your problem with your septum and trying to breathe. I had my nose broken three times and just could not breath out of the left nostril. At night when i was asleep i used to sound like a dying animal thankfully i had a operation to straighten it and now i can breath perfectly normal again.Something for you to consider and consult your doctor over.
It is definitely something worth considering! We are lucky to be close to great doctors - the trick is trying to get Ché to go get the op! But I'm hoping that the more people comment with similar stories, the more he'll be convinced it is worth it ;)
Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Espectacular!!excellent explanation thank you very much!!the best I founded!!!
Ah, such kind words! Thank you, thank you! We are so honoured to know that our work is appreciated
good explanation for beginners to practice this basic kata.
It is one of those katas that is easy to learn, but takes a lifetime to master! Thank you for the kind words :)
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre Cierto, Cierto.....
Translation recover the screen. We can in 80% of the video just the translation text.
Since this video, we've decided not to put subtitles on the original video, and instead rather just edit the RUclips auto-sub titles. Thank you for the feedback!
The Sanchin I’ve always been taught a low Sanchin stance, three or five punches before the double open hand pull, have the Kosudachi low and very pronounced breathing; cutting the exhalation at the end of the punch.
Helps a lot when tired or when starting to train at the dojo
I like your way of doing it. Very nice
Such a clear, detailed explanation! And its so nice to have people sharing their variations in the comments as just that: variations. There shouldn't be The One True Way, because who gets to decide that? Even in our own practice we have variations, and expecting everyone to do it the exact same way every time everywhere is just so boring.
Thank you for the lovely comment!
Muito boa a sua explicação e a maneira que executa os movimentos lentamente… dá para aprender. Gratidão.
Ah, thank you so much for the kind words! We try our best to make karate accessible to all 💪
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thnx Sensei, Sanchin kata was my Sensei , (Guy Kurose, rip 🙏🏽) favorite kata also my favorite kata i practiced it yesterday after work
You honour his memory in the best way 🙏
@GojuRyuKarateCentre osss
Right at the beginning, shouldn't the angle between the feet in musubi dachi be 90 degrees? This way the transition from musubi dachi to geiko dachi wouldn't require any adjustments...
So for us, musubi dachi is always a 45 degree angle, but this is a really good point! We will give it a try and get back to you :)
I'm not so heavy anymore as I've lost a couple of kilos for summer. So what do I know to discuss here... Good explanation of kata as always.
I may add few cents adjusted for inflation that the spelling of sanchin as battles is more recent (like 100 years is still recent) and romanticized version for military gloryfication times when Japanese Empire was preparing for the ultimate war (as few previous were too good for them beating Koreans, Chinese, and Russians). So as sanchin-gata is heishu-gata (fundamental, i.e. to built a fundament for your further techniques working on structure or gamaku in the first place), it's name should be spelled as three tensions (sounds the same but more practical meaning). But I repeat myself, I guess.
Dai ni version is a "proper" sanchin-gata, of course. First sanchin is more of kihon for massive training of students (and pupil in secondary schools) before and then along gekisai kata (actually sanchin and two gekisai are enough as basics to go on conscription and beat your comrade Japanese for them trying to bully you as Okinawan and secondary citizen); and tensho is Ju (soft) version of heishu-gata because it's always Go and Ju in Goju-ryu (sorry for Miyagi's pun).
And I have no clue if Morio had any clue talking about stepping back in this kata at all.
Hahaha, " military gloryfication times" - very much so. And I think tensions more accurately describes the kata, which is a huge balancing act between all the different parts. I love Sanchin, but it doesn't love me, and it'll probably be that way until I die lol.
As always, a treasure trove of knowledge - the impact of mass training on how katas look is often overlooked.
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre it's more Japanese and Okinawans tried to be in their trend. Nowdays they're back to their traditional nuchi-du takara idea.
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre -chin is more of a tension in other kata with this suffixe: sanchin has one type, seiyinchin has another and shisochin obviously yet another. I don't know if I haven't written this already. And it's not about some battles in these two kata, methink.
Sanchin every morning
This is the true way to longevity 👊
Hi. Love all the 3 of you. Amazing job you're doing.
Allow me Che just to point out something on your sanchin dai ni performance.
It's that after stepping you should not move the still foot, and you almost always correct the stance. Other one is that your sanchin dachi seems to wide.
Thanks again. I'ved used a lot of your videos as a mirror and it's fantastic the knowledge for other styles that you expose.
Keep at it. Thanks.
Yamaguchi Goju line. Portugal.
Thanks for the tips! We are always open to feedback, as that is how we grow as practitioners. Thank you for the kind words, and we hope to see you in our comments again!
Amazing lineage!
I've wrote a error in my tip. You always correct the still foot after stepping and we should not.
This is what we do in Kenbukan Goju.
I had to quickly refresh my memory - I see Kenbukan is the Toguchi line! So cool to see that different lineages can still share and agree on the same things :)
Excellent instruction, thx! 👍😊
Thank you so much, Jo Ri! Always nice to see you in the comments :)
9th dan?
I’m a lowly 5th Dan only
@@GojuRyuKarateCentre That's quite impressive. Goju is a gem among the karate styles.
Well displayed!
Thank you, Sensei Terry!
Thanks
Thank you so much for your kind words, @GiC7!
Legal
Domo!
There is no Sanchin Dai Ni. There is only one.
In our style, there are two. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment
It depends on the style, the federation, etc. Sanchin is a kata practiced in many forms of karate. In any case at the IOGKF and the TOGKF, we have both forms.
This is for fighting.
Definitely 🙌