Thank you White Sea for giving Perspective such a detailed and professional look. Perspective makes some big claims, so it is no surprise that it has occasionally been met with skepticism! With that being said, and as you've demonstrated in this video, any serious examination of Perspective's reproduction of speaker phase shift, transient response, radiation patterns, non-linear distortion, and of course, frequency response speaks for itself. It took us nearly 5 years to get this thing to completely work, and by golly does it ever work! If it didn't, we would have gladly spent another 5 years perfecting it. Of course, we love Perspective and could chat about it for days on end. But for the sake of brevity, we will only address a couple of points. Amongst the 13 minutes and dozens of accurate observations in this video, two very true *opinions* were voiced in this video; 1 - Any monitoring environment is only useful if the listener is familiar with it. 2 - Having too many listening options will do more harm than good. We agree with both of these points! Perspective was not designed or intended to clash with either of these philosophies. 1 - When set up, Perspective turns your supported physical monitors (as well as most unsupported monitors to a very close extent) into other monitors. You do not need to have any previous experience with the physical version of the modelled speakers to benefit from Perspective. This is because those monitors are now effectively there with you! Now that you have these new monitors in your arsenal, you need to learn and memorize their sound. Open Perspective in your DAW, set it up to simulate a particular monitor, and spend some time listening to familiar reference material. Put on a few songs you know really well and carefully listen to how those particular monitors present them. Do this for long enough and these new monitors will eventually tie into your sub-conscience and could be used as part of your referencing setup. As an added bonus, if you ever run into the physical monitors in a studio, you will be completely familiar with them as well! 2 - Perspective gives you many monitor options, to CHOOSE from. In this way, Perspective works sort of like a restaurant. When you go to a restaurant, you look at the menu and then only order what you want to eat. Just because the menu is big, doesn't mean that you have to order and eat everything the restaurant can make. That would make you sick! This is exactly why Perspective comes with a 3 monitor-set switcher. The switcher gives you instant access and control of 4 (3 virtual and your 1 original) monitor-sets of your choice. When you open Perspective for the first time, we recommend you take a few minutes to set up the plug-in by; Listening to your favourite reference tracks through the various available simulations. Deciding which 3 speakers are the most useful to your ears and workflow, selecting them in slots A, B, and C, volume matching them, and finally saving your setup through the settings menu. Thats it. You now have your own accurate and calibrated pro-monitoring setup at a fraction of the cost! Once your monitor models are selected and set up, we also recommend you set up your new virtual talkback. Not only that, but the large selection of Perspective's additional monitoring controls and tools are also there at your fingertips to help make your future recording, mixing, and mastering projects run smoother and sound better in less time. Once again, thank you for your honest and meticulous look at our plug-in. We wouldn't be in this business if our promises didn't hold up to the serious tests and inquiries of our fellow audio professionals. We invite you all to contact us directly, or through this comment section if you have any questions or comments. We also encourage you all to grab your own free and fully functional 14 day trial of Perspective and hear it for yourselves! Everything Perspective can be found at www.oscillotaudio.com
Good question. Because an iPhone cannot reproduce all of the frequencies and various detail present in a full audio mix. Perspective cannot turn iPhones into pro studio monitors. No one at Oscillot has ever made that claim. Only capable and verified monitors can be used by the software to emulate desired speakers. If a certain capable speaker isn't yet available in the 'H' (hardware) menu of Perspective, you can select the 'No Speaker' option and still get a reasonable approximation of how your work would sound on various systems. But again, if you select and use a supported speaker with Perspective, you will get an emulation that cancels out below 80 dB with the real thing. We urge you to grab the free demo and try for yourself. You may be surprised and realize how useful of a tool this really is, especially when certain resources (such as space and funds) are limited.
hi there! just a tiny remark about your phase response plot at 10:30 : That discontinuity you see at about 500Hz is in fact actually NOT a discontinuity :) you see, the phase of a signal wraps around all the time. it is measured in degrees (see the vertical axis on the left) and a phase of -180 degrees is actually equivalent to a phase of +180 degrees, because they are a full circle (360 degrees) apart. what the diagram plot shows is in fact a phase response that sort of wobbles downwards over the entire range, the point at 500Hz just happens to be where it crosses from -180 degrees to +180 degrees, but nothing particularly special happens there. you could also move the second part down and continue from where the first part left off (this is called phase unwrapping), and it would mean the same thing (except the graph would get kind of big). they could also plot the graph from 0 to 360 degrees, then you'd see a crossover point at about 50Hz and again at 2kHz.
That all makes good sense. It still seems somewhat usable to quickly get a rough idea how things will behave with extreme speakers (smartphone, 1-way 'cube', things like that), but I wouldn't trust such a plugin too much. I wouldn't do anything too drastic just based on the results of this plugin alone, but it could give a hint about what (might) need double checking on actual other speakers.
You WILL get the Yamaha NS10 phase response (for example) if they have your CURRENT monitors enabled for compensation. That was not possible with yours, because they aren´t in the database.
Good review, only one important thing i noticed, is the confusion when reading phase plots. Wheb you see a straight line in the phase curve, its is actually continuous, because 0 degrees = 360 degrees. Hope this helps
I love your videos. People need to understand this is his opinion. I just started watching the video and we know this will be Snake OIL already. I like the way the plugin looks. They are real cool.
I think you made a very good point with regards to getting used to a particular type of speaker. Do you think it would make sense to use this plugin with an audio player like Foobar2000 with the vst wrapper plugin or AIMP with the VST host DSP plugin to get used to this sound over a few months (if it's compatible with either since some VST plugins don't work well with those players)?
We can't attest to the functionality of third-party played or wrappers. However, we strongly recommend learning new speakers with Perspective (or any physical speaker) by importing a few reference tracks you are familiar with into your DAW and critically listening to them through your new monitors. After enough of this sort of ear training, they become second-nature.
Checking a track on a system that you are unfamiliar with can be incredibly informative What I like to do is listen to all my favorite music for about half an hour. Then when you are thoroughly relaxed and just enjoying the music, throw your own mix in and anything you don't like will stick out like a sore thumb. The way our brains operate, the newest information is always the most important
I would think that with the emulations of monitors you're not familiar with, they could still be useful, but you'd really only want to be spot checking them to see if anything crazy just jumps out at you. Then you go back to your real monitors & see if you can fix it without messing up the mix on the monitors you're familiar with. That said, I think IK Multimedia's Arc 2 look more interesting to me, as it combines the room correction of a thing like Sonarworks with a more basic virtual monitoring/multiple device checking section.
Even if you said, this wasn't a review, for a non review, it was a good review :). Maybe this plugin is more for people without 3 seperate monitors? That in mind, I can think of some use. One thing you said is probably very important: If you use it, make yourself a list of systems you wanna try and always us the same, to not ending up in endless corrections.
That's exactly right Peter. Perspective offers many speaker choice to give the user options, that doesn't mean you HAVE to use all of them! Generally we recommend choosing 3 of those option that are most useful to you and sticking to them.
Hmmmm. Not really what I would rush out and buy. As a sound design/sound editor, I need to modify sounds based on the environment they are in. My go-to plugins for this are , 1st. Speakerphone-2 from Audioease. www.audioease.com/speakerphone/index.php And 2nd is Audioease Altiverb-7 www.audioease.com/altiverb/ They also have another that's very useful called INDOOR: www.audioease.com/indoor/ And regarding listening to different monitors. I agree. You MUST know how each monitor sounds in your room to judge. I use three sets. Mains are DynAudio BM15A, then Auratone 5C cubes and finally my Alesis surround system. And sometimes, car speakers and my TV for balance and level checks. Think I'll stick with these.
To overcome the problem of the knowledge of each pair simulation it should be enough to listen to your mastered reference music.. As simple as that.. Isn't it? So I personally think that the pligin makes sense.
hi did you check out waves j37 before its a tape plugin.i use it i like it the best be good to know what you think about it.i use reaper as well i know the basics just enough to get me through.maybe someday i learn more.
the only things that annoy me as a bedroom producer and what makes me really want to buy "better" equipment simply are room modes. especially the ones around 115hz really kill the bass perception so I'm always having 20 final mixes when it comes to bass heavy music. :D really annoying! headphones (akg 712) did do the trick but until then it was frustrating
Perspective works immediately not after hundreds of hours. If you have a good teacher who tells you what to listen for. Not how to EQ and which EQ works best. The problem is those good teachers are hard to find. With Perspective you have to listen through a studio monitor which is supported for best results. Yamaha HS8s are quite inexpensive these days and compatible with all monitor emulations from the list. Shouldn´t be a great investment for anybody who wants to release mixing videos with Perspective I think. Can´t wait for videos sharing mixing skills.
It should not. A smartphone emulation played through a smart phone would essentially "double" the characteristics of a smartphone speaker. This is why the 'H', or hardware menu of Perspective is so important.
...and now, it is might be cool to, 1. know (see) exact list of originals; fase, curves, etc...true parameters of random speaker's from presented models. 2. Then trustly compare in order of geting true response.
Just upload to You Tube if it sound good on TV you are spot on for sure :-) pretty like a car test very difficult to get it right from a mp3 You Tube video
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Thank you White Sea for giving Perspective such a detailed and professional look. Perspective makes some big claims, so it is no surprise that it has occasionally been met with skepticism! With that being said, and as you've demonstrated in this video, any serious examination of Perspective's reproduction of speaker phase shift, transient response, radiation patterns, non-linear distortion, and of course, frequency response speaks for itself. It took us nearly 5 years to get this thing to completely work, and by golly does it ever work! If it didn't, we would have gladly spent another 5 years perfecting it.
Of course, we love Perspective and could chat about it for days on end. But for the sake of brevity, we will only address a couple of points.
Amongst the 13 minutes and dozens of accurate observations in this video, two very true *opinions* were voiced in this video; 1 - Any monitoring environment is only useful if the listener is familiar with it. 2 - Having too many listening options will do more harm than good. We agree with both of these points! Perspective was not designed or intended to clash with either of these philosophies.
1 - When set up, Perspective turns your supported physical monitors (as well as most unsupported monitors to a very close extent) into other monitors. You do not need to have any previous experience with the physical version of the modelled speakers to benefit from Perspective. This is because those monitors are now effectively there with you! Now that you have these new monitors in your arsenal, you need to learn and memorize their sound. Open Perspective in your DAW, set it up to simulate a particular monitor, and spend some time listening to familiar reference material. Put on a few songs you know really well and carefully listen to how those particular monitors present them. Do this for long enough and these new monitors will eventually tie into your sub-conscience and could be used as part of your referencing setup. As an added bonus, if you ever run into the physical monitors in a studio, you will be completely familiar with them as well!
2 - Perspective gives you many monitor options, to CHOOSE from. In this way, Perspective works sort of like a restaurant. When you go to a restaurant, you look at the menu and then only order what you want to eat. Just because the menu is big, doesn't mean that you have to order and eat everything the restaurant can make. That would make you sick!
This is exactly why Perspective comes with a 3 monitor-set switcher. The switcher gives you instant access and control of 4 (3 virtual and your 1 original) monitor-sets of your choice.
When you open Perspective for the first time, we recommend you take a few minutes to set up the plug-in by; Listening to your favourite reference tracks through the various available simulations. Deciding which 3 speakers are the most useful to your ears and workflow, selecting them in slots A, B, and C, volume matching them, and finally saving your setup through the settings menu. Thats it. You now have your own accurate and calibrated pro-monitoring setup at a fraction of the cost!
Once your monitor models are selected and set up, we also recommend you set up your new virtual talkback. Not only that, but the large selection of Perspective's additional monitoring controls and tools are also there at your fingertips to help make your future recording, mixing, and mastering projects run smoother and sound better in less time.
Once again, thank you for your honest and meticulous look at our plug-in. We wouldn't be in this business if our promises didn't hold up to the serious tests and inquiries of our fellow audio professionals.
We invite you all to contact us directly, or through this comment section if you have any questions or comments. We also encourage you all to grab your own free and fully functional 14 day trial of Perspective and hear it for yourselves! Everything Perspective can be found at www.oscillotaudio.com
your snake oil videos kick ass, also that Air windows guy is no JOKE, blessings brother
Why should I buy expensive speakers, when I just could emulate them on my I-Phone?
you nailed it and explained in one sentence, why this plugin is simply a snake oil
Good question. Because an iPhone cannot reproduce all of the frequencies and various detail present in a full audio mix. Perspective cannot turn iPhones into pro studio monitors. No one at Oscillot has ever made that claim. Only capable and verified monitors can be used by the software to emulate desired speakers. If a certain capable speaker isn't yet available in the 'H' (hardware) menu of Perspective, you can select the 'No Speaker' option and still get a reasonable approximation of how your work would sound on various systems. But again, if you select and use a supported speaker with Perspective, you will get an emulation that cancels out below 80 dB with the real thing. We urge you to grab the free demo and try for yourself. You may be surprised and realize how useful of a tool this really is, especially when certain resources (such as space and funds) are limited.
hi there! just a tiny remark about your phase response plot at 10:30 : That discontinuity you see at about 500Hz is in fact actually NOT a discontinuity :) you see, the phase of a signal wraps around all the time. it is measured in degrees (see the vertical axis on the left) and a phase of -180 degrees is actually equivalent to a phase of +180 degrees, because they are a full circle (360 degrees) apart. what the diagram plot shows is in fact a phase response that sort of wobbles downwards over the entire range, the point at 500Hz just happens to be where it crosses from -180 degrees to +180 degrees, but nothing particularly special happens there. you could also move the second part down and continue from where the first part left off (this is called phase unwrapping), and it would mean the same thing (except the graph would get kind of big).
they could also plot the graph from 0 to 360 degrees, then you'd see a crossover point at about 50Hz and again at 2kHz.
That all makes good sense. It still seems somewhat usable to quickly get a rough idea how things will behave with extreme speakers (smartphone, 1-way 'cube', things like that), but I wouldn't trust such a plugin too much. I wouldn't do anything too drastic just based on the results of this plugin alone, but it could give a hint about what (might) need double checking on actual other speakers.
Great analysis. Totally agree!
You WILL get the Yamaha NS10 phase response (for example) if they have your CURRENT monitors enabled for compensation. That was not possible with yours, because they aren´t in the database.
Good review, only one important thing i noticed, is the confusion when reading phase plots. Wheb you see a straight line in the phase curve, its is actually continuous, because 0 degrees = 360 degrees. Hope this helps
The urge to fast forward is frying an egg on my head!
You sound very good on my new JBLs
I love your videos. People need to understand this is his opinion. I just started watching the video and we know this will be Snake OIL already. I like the way the plugin looks. They are real cool.
I think you made a very good point with regards to getting used to a particular type of speaker. Do you think it would make sense to use this plugin with an audio player like Foobar2000 with the vst wrapper plugin or AIMP with the VST host DSP plugin to get used to this sound over a few months (if it's compatible with either since some VST plugins don't work well with those players)?
We can't attest to the functionality of third-party played or wrappers. However, we strongly recommend learning new speakers with Perspective (or any physical speaker) by importing a few reference tracks you are familiar with into your DAW and critically listening to them through your new monitors. After enough of this sort of ear training, they become second-nature.
Could you do one of your snake oil reviews on Sonarworks Reference 4? I'm really enjoying your content, keep up the great work :)
Channel strip emulation plugins Yes/No?
Fair points.
Checking a track on a system that you are unfamiliar with can be incredibly informative
What I like to do is listen to all my favorite music for about half an hour.
Then when you are thoroughly relaxed and just enjoying the music, throw your own mix in and anything you don't like will stick out like a sore thumb.
The way our brains operate, the newest information is always the most important
I love your snake oil reviews.
Whoah! I havent seen smaart since cras... When it was 4 floppy disks to install haha
How About The UAD Plugins?
then he also needs UAD hardware
any chance to see a review on acustica audio plugins?!!!.. to me they are the best of the best
I would think that with the emulations of monitors you're not familiar with, they could still be useful, but you'd really only want to be spot checking them to see if anything crazy just jumps out at you. Then you go back to your real monitors & see if you can fix it without messing up the mix on the monitors you're familiar with.
That said, I think IK Multimedia's Arc 2 look more interesting to me, as it combines the room correction of a thing like Sonarworks with a more basic virtual monitoring/multiple device checking section.
Even if you said, this wasn't a review, for a non review, it was a good review :).
Maybe this plugin is more for people without 3 seperate monitors? That in mind, I can think of some use. One thing you said is probably very important: If you use it, make yourself a list of systems you wanna try and always us the same, to not ending up in endless corrections.
That's exactly right Peter. Perspective offers many speaker choice to give the user options, that doesn't mean you HAVE to use all of them! Generally we recommend choosing 3 of those option that are most useful to you and sticking to them.
Hmmmm. Not really what I would rush out and buy. As a sound design/sound editor, I need to modify sounds based on the environment they are in. My go-to plugins for this are , 1st. Speakerphone-2 from Audioease. www.audioease.com/speakerphone/index.php
And 2nd is Audioease Altiverb-7 www.audioease.com/altiverb/ They also have another that's very useful called INDOOR: www.audioease.com/indoor/
And regarding listening to different monitors. I agree. You MUST know how each monitor sounds in your room to judge. I use three sets. Mains are DynAudio BM15A, then Auratone 5C cubes and finally my Alesis surround system. And sometimes, car speakers and my TV for balance and level checks. Think I'll stick with these.
To overcome the problem of the knowledge of each pair simulation it should be enough to listen to your mastered reference music.. As simple as that.. Isn't it? So I personally think that the pligin makes sense.
hi did you check out waves j37 before its a tape plugin.i use it i like it the best be good to know what you think about it.i use reaper as well i know the basics just enough to get me through.maybe someday i learn more.
I think he looked at it here: ruclips.net/video/7dpLsSEVfGs/видео.html
yes he did check the j37 before :)
the only things that annoy me as a bedroom producer and what makes me really want to buy "better" equipment simply are room modes. especially the ones around 115hz really kill the bass perception so I'm always having 20 final mixes when it comes to bass heavy music. :D really annoying! headphones (akg 712) did do the trick but until then it was frustrating
Could be good using something like krk and the virtual ns10 as a permanent setup but it really is about familiarity as u point out. Cheers
Wait so smaart has a plugin now? It wad a standalone
So does it work better at 192 kHz or is it fine at 44.1 kHz?
Is that like a DSP
Perspective works immediately not after hundreds of hours. If you have a good teacher who tells you what to listen for. Not how to EQ and which EQ works best. The problem is those good teachers are hard to find. With Perspective you have to listen through a studio monitor which is supported for best results. Yamaha HS8s are quite inexpensive these days and compatible with all monitor emulations from the list. Shouldn´t be a great investment for anybody who wants to release mixing videos with Perspective I think. Can´t wait for videos sharing mixing skills.
Let us know if you find any videos like that!
The how to listen series from puremix.net with Fab Dupont are the only videos i am aware of at the moment.
Question: I’m watching on a smartphone - shouldn’t the sound stay the same for me when you switch? Or am I wrong?
It should not. A smartphone emulation played through a smart phone would essentially "double" the characteristics of a smartphone speaker. This is why the 'H', or hardware menu of Perspective is so important.
...and now, it is might be cool to, 1. know (see) exact list of originals; fase, curves, etc...true parameters of random speaker's from presented models. 2. Then trustly compare in order of geting true response.
Leapwing Dynone - Acustica Audio Gold2
Maybe a nice to test for the optimod sound is www.stereotool.com/ (dutch people there)
Just upload to You Tube if it sound good on TV you are spot on for sure :-) pretty like a car test very difficult to get it right from a mp3 You Tube video
Do morphit software! Headphone calibration and emulation
you look a bit like Timo Kotipelto
Please Test UHE Presswerk !
1:03 bye bye... :)
This looks like the UI was coded in like a few houres from some IT student.
$149 for a couple of EQ presets......bullshit